[nzlug] International traffic really slow (OT)

[Centurion Computer Technology (2005) Ltd]

On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 11:01 +1300, Glen Ogilvie wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, I should have metioned it's off topic, as it's not strictly Linux
> related.
> 
> In regards to dealing with the ISP,  Have been talking to my ISP for quite
> some time.  They claim the problem is related to the amount of
> international bandwidth Telecom allows them to provide. I am trying to
> establish if this is happening to others as well, with different ISP's.  

This is not quite true.  ISP's buy wholesale bandwidth from their
international provider for bandwidth rate usually in 64kbps increments.
The issue is probably due to the fact that the average charged rates for
international traffic, mean that on top of paying telescum for their
adsl priviliges, they don't have enough left over to get decent
international bandwidth and make a few dollars per month per customer as
well.

It's the economics of telecoms ownership of the dsl infrastructure that
is causing this problem, not telecom's interference with ISP's bandwidth
per customer.  The reality is that until local loop unbundling happens,
this won't change either, and possibly not too much once that happens as
well.  This won't really be fixed until the pricing on international
bandwidth drops by a decent amount (a factor of 10 would be a good
start).

> The current information I have is that for most ISP's, the amount of
> international bandwidth available is around 24 to 32KB/s per customer that
> they have (only been told this, I have no written information on that
> figure).  So, if say 60 percent of there customers are using the internet,
> then speeds will be around 60KB/s.  I don't know how true this is, but
> think that certianly, international traffic is slower than it should be, as
> ISP's are selling ADSL as full speed, but then the actual speed is only
> full speed for national traffic, for International, it's much less.   I am
> also wondering if there is any case here for the commerce commission to
> look into.  So, would like to hear other people's thoughts.
> 
> Regards
> Glen Ogilvie
> 
> 
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:07:28 +1300 (NZDT), Mark Foster
> <blakjak at blakjak.net> wrote:
> > Each of you needs to deal directly with your ISP.  These days the amount
> > of infrastructure shared by DSL users is pretty low compared to 'the good
> > old days' - so come up with some hard numbers and escalate through your
> > helpdesks.
> > 
> > (Strictly speaking doesn't appear to be related to Linux, either.)
> > 
> > Mark.
> > 
> > On Mon, 15 Oct 2007, Robert wrote:
> > 
> >> Yep I've noticed (xnet).
> >>
> >> SIMON WALKDEN wrote:
> >>> I've noticed the same; i'd assumed it was a peering issue with my ISP
> >>> (inspire), as the natioanl throughput seemed to be affected also.
> >>>
> >>> On 10/15/07, Glen Ogilvie <nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi NZLUG,
> >>>>
> >>>> Has anyone else noticed that International traffic, during peak times
> > (5pm
> >>>> - 1
> >>>> am), has got much slower than it was about 6 months ago.
> >>>>
> >>>> Recently, it's been getting to the stage where it's ridiculous. I've
> > got
> >>>> quick
> >>>> national traffic; around 700KB/s download), but international is more
> > like
> >>>> 40KB/s.  It was at about 60KB/s about 2 months ago.  During the non
> > peak
> >>>> times, like at 6am, international is still about 300KB/s download.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am using World-net as my ISP.  I've heard that TelstraClear
> > customers
> >>>> don't
> >>>> seem to have this problem as much, but I am interested to know if
> > anyone
> >>>> else
> >>>> in Auckland, using home ASDL, is having speed issues?
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>> Glen Ogilvie
> >>>>
> > 
> > 
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