From daniel at volturi.co.nz Mon Jan 11 12:45:25 2010 From: daniel at volturi.co.nz (Daniel Faulknor) Date: Mon Jan 11 12:46:02 2010 Subject: [hblug] Idea for future meetings Message-ID: <4B4A6695.2090209@volturi.co.nz> Hi Everyone, Rene and I have been talking and have come up with the following idea: Instead of having physical meetings (until someone organises to host the meetings), have an online meetup (something of a talk radio show with a twist). Once (if) meetings start again, it would be a compliment to the meeting (or even part of the meeting, the person running the meeting (or someone else) could stream it live (to me) and have both of them as one thing. The main thing that was noted that would be missed was getting questions answered, so the idea we have come up with is that every month/2 weeks we will have an "online meeting". What this will involve is a live streaming "radio show" where people can sign up to have questions answered or even if they just have something to say (beforehand, or during if there is space) and in the order that those requests were submitted we would call you and speak to you live (so that other members can "tune in" and listen) There would also be a chatroom for members to interact. We are hoping that this will increase the numbers of people at "meetings" as no travel is required, just an internet connection to view the stream and participate in chat, it could even mean "members" from outside HB, though local members wanting to speak would take priority. Questions, Comments, suggestions, criticisms? Cheers Daniel From p.spiller at xtra.co.nz Mon Jan 11 16:27:20 2010 From: p.spiller at xtra.co.nz (Perry Spiller) Date: Mon Jan 11 16:28:41 2010 Subject: [hblug] Idea for future meetings In-Reply-To: <4B4A6695.2090209@volturi.co.nz> References: <4B4A6695.2090209@volturi.co.nz> Message-ID: <20100111032757.BZHZ11176.mta01.xtra.co.nz@perrys-pc.xtra.co.nz> ----------------Earlier, Daniel commented-------------------- >Questions, Comments, suggestions, criticisms? There's a special quality to face-to-face interaction. Nonetheless, the ideas you and Rene have hatched sound like something worth trying. I'll watch and help, in the unlikely event that such is possible. Bit hard to drag one's troublesome hardware to any virtual meeting, though. ;-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20100111/1cfd4a5c/attachment.htm From daniel at volturi.co.nz Mon Jan 11 16:56:23 2010 From: daniel at volturi.co.nz (Daniel Faulknor) Date: Mon Jan 11 16:57:16 2010 Subject: [hblug] Idea for future meetings In-Reply-To: <20100111032757.BZHZ11176.mta01.xtra.co.nz@perrys-pc.xtra.co.nz> References: <4B4A6695.2090209@volturi.co.nz> <20100111032757.BZHZ11176.mta01.xtra.co.nz@perrys-pc.xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <4B4AA167.6070804@volturi.co.nz> On 11/01/2010 4:27 p.m., Perry Spiller wrote: > ----------------Earlier, Daniel commented-------------------- > >> Questions, Comments, suggestions, criticisms? > > There's a special quality to face-to-face interaction. > Nonetheless, the ideas you and Rene have hatched > sound like something worth trying. I'll watch and > help, in the unlikely event that such is possible. > > Bit hard to drag one's troublesome hardware to any > virtual meeting, though. ;-) > The lack of being able to bring hardware to a virtual meeting is very true, which is why I also suggested that a combination meeting would work well if someone was able to host the meeting. If meetings are not possible it could be a handy medium for someone to put their hand up and say "i can drop round and fix that". Also as they are online (and if we were to go for the 2 weekly option) the time you would have to wait for such an event would be shorter. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20100111/71ccc527/attachment.htm From racepics at paradise.net.nz Mon Jan 11 17:26:10 2010 From: racepics at paradise.net.nz (chris morris) Date: Mon Jan 11 17:25:08 2010 Subject: [hblug] Idea for future meetings In-Reply-To: <4B4A6695.2090209@volturi.co.nz> References: <4B4A6695.2090209@volturi.co.nz> Message-ID: <4B4AA862.1080903@paradise.net.nz> So taking part in the "meeting" would require users to hook up via skype/msn/whatever IM service? Or would you use a chat-room on some website with audio/video capabilities? Chris From daniel at volturi.co.nz Mon Jan 11 17:30:11 2010 From: daniel at volturi.co.nz (Daniel Faulknor) Date: Mon Jan 11 17:30:47 2010 Subject: [hblug] Idea for future meetings In-Reply-To: <4B4AA862.1080903@paradise.net.nz> References: <4B4A6695.2090209@volturi.co.nz> <4B4AA862.1080903@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <4B4AA953.6030304@volturi.co.nz> There would be a chatroom, plus a live feed of myself/rene and the current "guest" As for participating, we would call you (via landline or via skype) so you can talk to the group and rene/myself. I don't have the facilities (or hardware) for a big group discussion at this point, especially with video. I guess a skype conference would be possible. It would be more HBLUG, talk radio style (unless physical meetings start again, then we would setup a live stream from the meeting so that people that cant make it can participate. On 11/01/2010 5:26 p.m., chris morris wrote: > So taking part in the "meeting" would require users to hook up via > skype/msn/whatever IM service? > Or would you use a chat-room on some website with audio/video > capabilities? > > > Chris From webmaster at t94xr.net.nz Mon Jan 11 21:48:29 2010 From: webmaster at t94xr.net.nz (t94xr) Date: Mon Jan 11 21:51:23 2010 Subject: [hblug] Idea for future meetings In-Reply-To: <4B4AA953.6030304@volturi.co.nz> References: <4B4A6695.2090209@volturi.co.nz> <4B4AA862.1080903@paradise.net.nz> <4B4AA953.6030304@volturi.co.nz> Message-ID: <4B4AE5DD.4000000@t94xr.net.nz> > There would be a chatroom, plus a live feed of myself/rene and the > current "guest" > > As for participating, we would call you (via landline or via skype) so > you can talk to the group and rene/myself. > I don't have the facilities (or hardware) for a big group discussion > at this point, especially with video. I guess a skype conference would > be possible. Thats what most Podcasts do, will the meeting will be released as a 92k mp3 file? Cameron From daniel at volturi.co.nz Tue Jan 12 11:34:20 2010 From: daniel at volturi.co.nz (Daniel Faulknor) Date: Tue Jan 12 11:34:58 2010 Subject: [hblug] Trial online meeting tomorrow night Message-ID: <4B4BA76C.6030308@volturi.co.nz> Hi Everyone, I know its late notice but we thought we would just try out the online meeting concept. To know if its going to be worthwhile, if anyone has a question (or wants to speak on the show) can you please send an email to hblug-online-requests@lazygeek.tv with the following info: Your Name: Your Phone Number (or note that you will use skype) What you want to talk about Calls will be taken (well made) in the order that the requests are recieved. If i get enough requests ill post to the list with the info about the show. Cheers, Dan From daniel at volturi.co.nz Tue Jan 12 11:42:24 2010 From: daniel at volturi.co.nz (Daniel Faulknor) Date: Tue Jan 12 11:43:06 2010 Subject: [hblug] Trial online meeting tomorrow night Message-ID: <4B4BA950.2060204@volturi.co.nz> Sorry, please email daniel@volturi.co.nz that email address i gave isnt working yet. Cheers From daniel at volturi.co.nz Tue Jan 12 17:07:02 2010 From: daniel at volturi.co.nz (Daniel Faulknor) Date: Tue Jan 12 17:07:40 2010 Subject: [hblug] HBLUG Meeting Annoucement: Wednesday 13th Jan (Online Trial) Message-ID: <4B4BF566.4070401@volturi.co.nz> Hi Everyone, Tomorrow night a trial online meeting is scheduled (to try out the new format) This will be a fully online meeting, as discussed on the mailing list. What: HBLUG Online Meeting When: Wed 13th Jan from 7pm to whenever we finish (9pm - 10pm) Where: http://hblug.lazygeek.tv The purpose of the meeting is to gauge interest for an online meeting, and to help anyone out with Linux issues that they have. To participate in the general meeting (and chat) point an IRC client at irc.lazygeek.tv channel #hblug (or just click on the chat link on the page linked to above) If you have a question/comment or just something to say, email hblug-online-request@lazygeek.tv to be put on the list. You need to provide your name, phone number and the subject you would like to talk about. From rmcgillicuddy at orcon.net.nz Tue Jan 12 18:29:01 2010 From: rmcgillicuddy at orcon.net.nz (Rose McGillicuddy) Date: Tue Jan 12 18:29:38 2010 Subject: [hblug] HBLUG Meeting Annoucement: Wednesday 13th Jan (Online Trial) In-Reply-To: <4B4BF566.4070401@volturi.co.nz> References: <4B4BF566.4070401@volturi.co.nz> Message-ID: <4B4C089D.7010200@orcon.net.nz> On 01/12/2010 05:07 PM, Daniel Faulknor wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Tomorrow night a trial online meeting is scheduled (to try out the new > format) > > This will be a fully online meeting, as discussed on the mailing list. > > What: HBLUG Online Meeting > When: Wed 13th Jan from 7pm to whenever we finish (9pm - 10pm) > Where: http://hblug.lazygeek.tv > > The purpose of the meeting is to gauge interest for an online meeting, > and to help anyone out with Linux issues that they have. > > To participate in the general meeting (and chat) point an IRC client at > irc.lazygeek.tv channel #hblug (or just click on the chat link on the > page linked to above) > > If you have a question/comment or just something to say, email > hblug-online-request@lazygeek.tv to be put on the list. You need to > provide your name, phone number and the subject you would like to talk > about. > > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > Hi Daniel Thank you for all your efforts. I'm guessing no one volunteered a venue, so I'm offering my dining room from time to time, depending on my shifts. Could you let me know what I'd need to have available please? I have a broadband internet connection with an eight point switch if that's any use ( I run two computers off it). Regards Rose -- "We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are." Anais Nin ~ ~ ~ Registered Linux User No: 386597 http://counter.li.org From daniel at volturi.co.nz Wed Jan 13 19:05:24 2010 From: daniel at volturi.co.nz (Daniel Faulknor) Date: Wed Jan 13 19:06:13 2010 Subject: [hblug] Meeting on now Message-ID: <4B4D62A4.7070209@volturi.co.nz> Hi Everyone, The live meeting is on now. The address for the stream again is: http://hblug.lazygeek.tv You can access chat from there or via http://irc.lazygeek.tv Cheers Daniel From rmcgillicuddy at orcon.net.nz Wed Jan 13 19:37:38 2010 From: rmcgillicuddy at orcon.net.nz (Rose McGillicuddy) Date: Wed Jan 13 19:38:11 2010 Subject: [hblug] Meeting on now In-Reply-To: <4B4D62A4.7070209@volturi.co.nz> References: <4B4D62A4.7070209@volturi.co.nz> Message-ID: <4B4D6A32.3030805@orcon.net.nz> On 01/13/2010 07:05 PM, Daniel Faulknor wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > The live meeting is on now. > > The address for the stream again is: http://hblug.lazygeek.tv > > You can access chat from there or via http://irc.lazygeek.tv > > Cheers > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > Hi Daniel do I need a nickname approved by you? Cheers Rose -- "We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are." Anais Nin ~ ~ ~ Registered Linux User No: 386597 http://counter.li.org From daniel at volturi.co.nz Wed Jan 13 19:39:00 2010 From: daniel at volturi.co.nz (Daniel Faulknor) Date: Wed Jan 13 19:39:40 2010 Subject: [hblug] Meeting on now In-Reply-To: <4B4D6A32.3030805@orcon.net.nz> References: <4B4D62A4.7070209@volturi.co.nz> <4B4D6A32.3030805@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <4B4D6A84.4020406@volturi.co.nz> No we are having issues. Listen to the stream for more info. On 13/01/2010 7:37 p.m., Rose McGillicuddy wrote: > On 01/13/2010 07:05 PM, Daniel Faulknor wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> The live meeting is on now. >> >> The address for the stream again is: http://hblug.lazygeek.tv >> >> You can access chat from there or via http://irc.lazygeek.tv >> >> Cheers >> Daniel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HBLUG mailing list >> HBLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug >> > Hi Daniel > > do I need a nickname approved by you? > > Cheers Rose > > From daniel at volturi.co.nz Wed Jan 13 19:46:36 2010 From: daniel at volturi.co.nz (Daniel Faulknor) Date: Wed Jan 13 19:47:19 2010 Subject: [hblug] Meeting on now In-Reply-To: <4B4D6A32.3030805@orcon.net.nz> References: <4B4D62A4.7070209@volturi.co.nz> <4B4D6A32.3030805@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <4B4D6C4C.4010507@volturi.co.nz> Chat is at http://hblug.lazygeek.tv (refresh if you have it open already) On 13/01/2010 7:37 p.m., Rose McGillicuddy wrote: > On 01/13/2010 07:05 PM, Daniel Faulknor wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> The live meeting is on now. >> >> The address for the stream again is: http://hblug.lazygeek.tv >> >> You can access chat from there or via http://irc.lazygeek.tv >> >> Cheers >> Daniel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HBLUG mailing list >> HBLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug >> > Hi Daniel > > do I need a nickname approved by you? > > Cheers Rose > > From rmcgillicuddy at orcon.net.nz Wed Jan 13 19:51:00 2010 From: rmcgillicuddy at orcon.net.nz (Rose McGillicuddy) Date: Wed Jan 13 19:51:37 2010 Subject: [hblug] Meeting on now In-Reply-To: <4B4D6C4C.4010507@volturi.co.nz> References: <4B4D62A4.7070209@volturi.co.nz> <4B4D6A32.3030805@orcon.net.nz> <4B4D6C4C.4010507@volturi.co.nz> Message-ID: <4B4D6D54.1070704@orcon.net.nz> On 01/13/2010 07:46 PM, Daniel Faulknor wrote: > Chat is at http://hblug.lazygeek.tv (refresh if you have it open already) Thanks I'm there -- "We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are." Anais Nin ~ ~ ~ Registered Linux User No: 386597 http://counter.li.org From daniel at volturi.co.nz Wed Jan 20 21:31:16 2010 From: daniel at volturi.co.nz (Daniel Faulknor) Date: Wed Jan 20 21:31:55 2010 Subject: [hblug] Live stuff update! Message-ID: <4B56BF54.2040702@volturi.co.nz> Hi Everyone, After the fiasco last week with IRC i spent a few hours on it and its working now, yay! How often do we want to do live HBLUG meetings? twice a month or once a month, or once every 2 months? Also, shameless plug, The Lazy Geeks Show (talking about tech news) is on tomorrow night at 8:30pm, http://live.lazygeek.tv Cheers! From racepics at paradise.net.nz Tue Jan 26 13:11:00 2010 From: racepics at paradise.net.nz (chris morris) Date: Tue Jan 26 13:11:04 2010 Subject: [hblug] Auto Login Failure In-Reply-To: <4B56BF54.2040702@volturi.co.nz> References: <4B56BF54.2040702@volturi.co.nz> Message-ID: <4B5E3314.3020709@paradise.net.nz> On a fresh install of Ubuntu 9.10 I've set the auto-login at 10 seconds seeing as the machine will only ever have one user. Sometimes the auto-login works - some times it doesn't. When it fails, the login does its 10sec countdown, screen goes black and then login panel reappears as a manual login. When you then type in your password it keeps looping back to the login screen. Restarting the pc fixes it - for a while. Where or how could I find any error messages related to this? cheers chris From kirjava at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 22:25:29 2010 From: kirjava at gmail.com (Rene Bartosh) Date: Tue Jan 26 22:38:26 2010 Subject: [hblug] Auto Login Failure In-Reply-To: <4B5E3314.3020709@paradise.net.nz> References: <4B56BF54.2040702@volturi.co.nz> <4B5E3314.3020709@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: Login to one of the text consoles (ctrl+alt+f1) and run this command: sudo tail -f /var/log/auth.log Switch back to the X console (ctrl+alt+f7) and try login. See what it says in the text console. Rene 2010/1/26 chris morris : > On a fresh install of Ubuntu 9.10 > > I've set the auto-login at 10 seconds seeing as the machine will only ever > have one user. > > Sometimes the auto-login works - some times it doesn't. > When it fails, ?the login does its 10sec countdown, screen goes black and > then login panel reappears as a manual login. > When you then type in your password it keeps looping back to the login > screen. > > Restarting the pc fixes it - for a while. > > Where or how could I find any error messages related to this? > > cheers > chris > > > > > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > -- >From Rene Bartosh (Gmail account) Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/ From kirjava at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 10:15:39 2010 From: kirjava at gmail.com (Rene Bartosh) Date: Wed Jan 27 10:19:43 2010 Subject: [hblug] NZ Herald on software patents and linux.conf.au Message-ID: I know some people here followed the OOXML vs ODF debate with some interest. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10622500 -- >From Rene Bartosh (Gmail account) Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/ From racepics at paradise.net.nz Thu Jan 28 08:43:26 2010 From: racepics at paradise.net.nz (chris morris) Date: Thu Jan 28 08:42:03 2010 Subject: [hblug] Auto Login Failure In-Reply-To: References: <4B56BF54.2040702@volturi.co.nz> <4B5E3314.3020709@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <4B60975E.5010909@paradise.net.nz> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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etc., WITH ACTUAL REPRESENTATIONS of just what the effect is. Perry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20100130/bce68e6b/attachment.html From zendattacorporation at hotmail.com Sat Jan 30 17:49:34 2010 From: zendattacorporation at hotmail.com (jon zendatta) Date: Sat Jan 30 17:49:47 2010 Subject: [hblug] xhtml Examples / Chart In-Reply-To: <20100130031417.QNNR26847.mta01.xtra.co.nz@perrys-pc.xtra.co.nz> References: <20100130031417.QNNR26847.mta01.xtra.co.nz@perrys-pc.xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: ahh? Good luck. I have ebook version of-> XLST-Mastering XML Transformations Doug Tidwell any help? reg/linux/usr/#453274 /reg/ubuntu/usr/#17340 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:12:43 +1300 To: hblug@linux.net.nz From: p.spiller@xtra.co.nz Subject: [hblug] xhtml Examples / Chart Does anyone have or know of a plain language plus graphical depiction chart that specifies xhtml coding and effects, as in, with examples? I've searched the web lotsa times and can't find anything suitable. I need something that I can keep on hand that (for example) might go like this: This sentence would look this way with this . [e.g. ] This sentence would look this way. I'm finding it hard to locate examples of such items as
etc., WITH ACTUAL REPRESENTATIONS of just what the effect is. Perry _________________________________________________________________ Looking for a place to manage all your online stuff? Download the new Windows Live http://download.live.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20100130/8353d92b/attachment.htm From linux_mike at paradise.net.nz Sat Jan 30 23:47:41 2010 From: linux_mike at paradise.net.nz (Michael Adams) Date: Sat Jan 30 23:48:17 2010 Subject: [hblug] xhtml Examples / Chart In-Reply-To: <20100130031417.QNNR26847.mta01.xtra.co.nz@perrys-pc.xtra.co.nz> References: <20100130031417.QNNR26847.mta01.xtra.co.nz@perrys-pc.xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <201001302347.44038.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> On Saturday 30 January 2010 16:12, Perry Spiller wrote: > Does anyone have or know of a plain language > plus graphical depiction chart that specifies xhtml > coding and effects, as in, with examples? > > I've searched the web lotsa times and can't find > anything suitable. I need something that I can > keep on hand that (for example) might go like > this: > > This sentence would look this way > with this . > [e.g. ] > This sentence would look this way. > > I'm finding it hard to locate examples of such > items as
etc., WITH > ACTUAL REPRESENTATIONS of just what > the effect is. A list of elements that may appear in various DTD's. http://reference.sitepoint.com/html/elements-and-dtds You can test the effect in any browser though browsers will render elements differently because HTML and XHTML are WYSIWYM not WYSIWYG. More specific questions welcome. -- Michael