From kirjava at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 22:39:56 2009 From: kirjava at gmail.com (Rene Bartosh) Date: Wed Mar 4 22:40:37 2009 Subject: [hblug] Linux Format Magazine Message-ID: They are offering a free issue for download for 24 hours: http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only I imagine it will be available elsewhere after that time anyhow, google and/or your favourite bittorrent site will help you there. I have a copy if anyone wishes to come grab it on flash drive (124mb). Rene -- >From Rene Bartosh (Gmail account) Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/ Work: http://eksion.net/ From daniel at danielfaulknor.com Mon Mar 9 16:06:06 2009 From: daniel at danielfaulknor.com (Daniel Faulknor) Date: Mon Mar 9 16:06:13 2009 Subject: [hblug] ATX Case Message-ID: Hi All, Does anyone have a full ATX case that i could buy/have? I don't have any, and need one fairly urgently. Cheers From kirjava at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 17:33:35 2009 From: kirjava at gmail.com (Rene Bartosh) Date: Wed Mar 11 17:33:46 2009 Subject: [hblug] Waikato and Wellington LUG's/linuxchix press release on s92a Message-ID: http://linuxchix.org.nz/node/97 Also in the news: http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/netw/23FC997D9894A729CC257576000D489B Rene -- >From Rene Bartosh (Gmail account) Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/ Work: http://eksion.net/ From racepics at paradise.net.nz Wed Mar 11 18:16:05 2009 From: racepics at paradise.net.nz (chris morris) Date: Wed Mar 11 18:16:04 2009 Subject: [hblug] Waikato and Wellington LUG's/linuxchix press release on s92a In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49B74915.7070508@paradise.net.nz> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20090311/208baec3/attachment.htm From linux_mike at paradise.net.nz Thu Mar 12 07:05:39 2009 From: linux_mike at paradise.net.nz (Michael Adams) Date: Thu Mar 12 07:04:27 2009 Subject: [hblug] Waikato and Wellington LUG's/linuxchix press release on s92a In-Reply-To: <49B74915.7070508@paradise.net.nz> References: <49B74915.7070508@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <20090312070539.65a57175.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:16:05 +1300 Came this utterance formulated by chris morris to my mailbox: > Also in the news: > > http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/netw/23FC997D9894A729CC257576000D4 > 89B > > Rene > > I'm a happy TC subscriber :) > > And a snippet from here: > http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?ContentId=8115 > > Without a Code of Practice in place, Prime Minister John Key has said > the contentious Section 92A that calls for ISPs to implement a policy > to disconnect customers accused of repeat copyright infringement, will > be permanently suspended. > > Hopefully common sense will continue to prevail... Unfortunately as was seen with Judith Tizard that can not be expected. The select committee reviewing this law dropped 92A. She recieved pressure from the Recording Industry and put it back in. They are a powerful lobby force. Simultaneously to our law, similar laws are being shoved through in Korea: http://ipleft.or.kr/bbs/view.php?board=ipleft_5&id=488&page=1&category1=3 and France: http://www.laquadrature.net/en/french-net-blackout-against-graduated-response But wait theres more. It 'looks' like the government has seen sense. They asked ISPs and the recording industry to get the code of practise sorted - but they are not the only ones affected. The definition of ISP used in the act is so broad that anyone with a network that others use needs to have a takedown policy in place. So it affects libraries, schools, and businesses. None of these other interest groups have a voice on the committee forming the code of practice. -- Michael All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well - Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416 From p.spiller at xtra.co.nz Thu Mar 12 12:10:41 2009 From: p.spiller at xtra.co.nz (Perry Spiller) Date: Thu Mar 12 15:02:00 2009 Subject: [hblug] Waikato and Wellington LUG's/linuxchix press release on s92a In-Reply-To: <20090312070539.65a57175.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> References: <49B74915.7070508@paradise.net.nz> <20090312070539.65a57175.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: ----------------Earlier, you commented-------------------- >Simultaneously to our law, similar laws are being shoved through in >Korea: >http://ipleft.or.kr/bbs/view.php?board=ipleft_5&id=488&page=1&category1=3 >and France: >http://www.laquadrature.net/en/french-net-blackout-against-graduated-response >But wait there's more. Ireland are likewise afflicted, I believe. Common sense is not a virtue to be found in or around the beehive. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20090312/ae18a517/attachment.htm From kirjava at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 12:53:59 2009 From: kirjava at gmail.com (Rene Bartosh) Date: Fri Mar 13 12:54:13 2009 Subject: [hblug] Another meeting idea Message-ID: Hi folks, Just been suggested to me that our LUG may be missing a vital component: beer (or similar). Was wondering if anyone is interested in a more casual "discussions over a drink" style meeting on a regular basis? Or even to just try it out. I would imagine this would take place separately from our existing meetings as some members are unable or would not wish to attend pub meetings :) Thoughts, idea, reply to this thread, Rene -- >From Rene Bartosh (Gmail account) Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/ Work: http://eksion.net/ From maggoty.haggis at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 16:08:38 2009 From: maggoty.haggis at gmail.com (E Drummond) Date: Fri Mar 13 16:08:48 2009 Subject: [hblug] Another meeting idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sounds like a plan :P Which pub were you thinking about meeting at? On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Rene Bartosh wrote: > Hi folks, > > Just been suggested to me that our LUG may be missing a vital > component: beer (or similar). > > Was wondering if anyone is interested in a more casual "discussions > over a drink" style meeting on a regular basis? Or even to just try it > out. > > I would imagine this would take place separately from our existing > meetings as some members are unable or would not wish to attend pub > meetings :) > > Thoughts, idea, reply to this thread, > > Rene > > -- > >From Rene Bartosh (Gmail account) > Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/ > Work: http://eksion.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > From p.spiller at xtra.co.nz Fri Mar 13 19:58:35 2009 From: p.spiller at xtra.co.nz (Perry Spiller) Date: Fri Mar 13 23:03:33 2009 Subject: [hblug] Another meeting idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ----------------Earlier, Rene commented-------------------- >Just been suggested to me that our LUG may be missing a vital >component: beer (or similar). > >Was wondering if anyone is interested in a more casual "discussions >over a drink" style meeting on a regular basis? Or even to just try it >out. > >I would imagine this would take place separately from our existing >meetings as some members are unable or would not wish to attend pub >meetings. > >Thoughts, ideas: reply to this thread. While I am in no way averse to some convivial libation, I would not like anything to make it awkward for anyone to attend one of our meetings because of the venue or because of age/admission limitations. I appreciate that Rene has said such an idea would be separate. The other latent aspect is that it would be 'extra,' as in another night out. That may be as much a consideration as anything else. Without presuming on the goodwill of Taradale Fine Furniture, is there any reason that something like this could happen - once a quarter, say - where people can bring something to drink, a few pizzas and anything else that lends itself as 'finger foods,' like a few chippies, nuts, nachos, dip, etc. (Plus a carton of cheddar shapes for Rene. ;-) ) Some things readily lend themselves to general sharing, others are just plain awkward, which is why I refer to said 'finger foods.' Trying to do this on a subscription basis (each person paying a little to a common pool to buy things is as much a challenge as doing what one can to ensure everybody participates in every way. As the HBLUG is 100% informal, perhaps a very minor 'subs' could be introduced? ($1 per meeting attendance?) Then the accumulated pool could be used to buy a few pizzas, with each supplying their own beverage choice? Or something like that. This will be significantly more 'economical' than going to a commercial place that had an appropriate offering. Perhaps the HBIT group could be included for such 3- monthly sessions? Lots to think about. Perry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20090313/ccf550fb/attachment.htm From p.spiller at xtra.co.nz Thu Mar 19 20:47:15 2009 From: p.spiller at xtra.co.nz (Perry Spiller) Date: Thu Mar 19 21:48:30 2009 Subject: [hblug] What's Up With Firefox & RAM? Message-ID: Recently, I've noticed FF hogging memory like you wouldn't believe! Like two-thirds to three-quarters of one my 1 Gb RAM. Doesn't seem to matter about which or how many web pages are open. If I kill FF, then restart after a few moments, the start-up RAM call is modest - less than 100MB, with no pages open. Then it just seems to progressively build up to two-thirds to three-quarters of 1 Gb, slowing the computer down badly. So I kill it again and start over. The one thing that seems to be new is the server-forced upgrade by skype, which put a dialler into FF. I'll remove that to see if it makes a difference. Anyone else having this (general FF/RAM- hogging) experience? Perry (OS=W2kP) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20090319/296caa50/attachment.htm From agarnott at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 22:00:48 2009 From: agarnott at gmail.com (gordon arnott) Date: Thu Mar 19 22:00:57 2009 Subject: [hblug] What's Up With Firefox & RAM? In-Reply-To: <49c214f9.150bca0a.34fc.ffffb58fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <49c214f9.150bca0a.34fc.ffffb58fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <910c73490903190300o7a402135p430b00b353c849cb@mail.gmail.com> Pery you could try [ Opera ] I ditched FF a few years ago for similar hogging reasons. cheers G 2009/3/19 Perry Spiller : > > Recently, I've noticed FF hogging memory > like you wouldn't believe! Like two-thirds > to three-quarters of one my 1 Gb RAM. > > Doesn't seem to matter about which or > how many web pages are open. > > If I kill FF, then restart after a few moments, > the start-up RAM call is modest - less than > 100MB, with no pages open. > > Then it just seems to progressively build up > to two-thirds to three-quarters of 1 Gb, > slowing the computer down badly. So > I kill it again and start over. > > The one thing that seems to be new is the > server-forced upgrade by skype, which > put a dialler into FF. I'll remove that to > see if it makes a difference. > > Anyone else having this (general FF/RAM- > hogging) experience? > > Perry > (OS=W2kP) > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > > From p.spiller at xtra.co.nz Fri Mar 20 08:02:26 2009 From: p.spiller at xtra.co.nz (Perry Spiller) Date: Fri Mar 20 08:43:19 2009 Subject: [hblug] What's Up With Firefox & RAM? In-Reply-To: <910c73490903190300o7a402135p430b00b353c849cb@mail.gmail.co m> References: <49c214f9.150bca0a.34fc.ffffb58fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <910c73490903190300o7a402135p430b00b353c849cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ----------------Earlier, you commented-------------------- >Pery you could try [ Opera ] >I ditched FF a few years ago for similar hogging reasons. I use both, already. ;-) Each one has its pros and cons. And even Opera is proving a drag of the system, these days. Takes ages to start; and stop, when closed. I've removed the skype extension but I can't yet say what impact that might have. Perry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20090320/a851db26/attachment.htm From maggoty.haggis at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 08:56:05 2009 From: maggoty.haggis at gmail.com (E Drummond) Date: Fri Mar 20 08:56:12 2009 Subject: [hblug] What's Up With Firefox & RAM? In-Reply-To: <49c2ae7e.020bca0a.62e7.ffffd780SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <49c214f9.150bca0a.34fc.ffffb58fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <910c73490903190300o7a402135p430b00b353c849cb@mail.gmail.com> <49c2ae7e.020bca0a.62e7.ffffd780SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Its almost like Firefox caches every page you go to in ram, and doesnt free the cache incase you want to go back. This may be helpful: http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/high+memory+usage 2009/3/20 Perry Spiller : > ----------------Earlier, you commented-------------------- > > Pery you could try [ Opera ] > I ditched FF a few years ago for similar hogging reasons. > > I use both, already. ;-) > > Each one has its pros and cons. > And even Opera is proving a drag > of the system, these days. Takes > ages to start; and stop, when closed. > > I've removed the skype extension > but I can't yet say what impact that > might have. > > Perry > > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > > From linux_mike at paradise.net.nz Fri Mar 20 11:09:50 2009 From: linux_mike at paradise.net.nz (Michael Adams) Date: Fri Mar 20 11:08:18 2009 Subject: [hblug] What's Up With Firefox & RAM? In-Reply-To: <78dufl$k1td2t@mxin1-orange.clear.net.nz> References: <78dufl$k1td2t@mxin1-orange.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <20090320110950.2bceadb9.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:47:15 +1200 Came this utterance formulated by Perry Spiller to my mailbox: > > Recently, I've noticed FF hogging memory > like you wouldn't believe! Like two-thirds > to three-quarters of one my 1 Gb RAM. > > Doesn't seem to matter about which or > how many web pages are open. > > If I kill FF, then restart after a few moments, > the start-up RAM call is modest - less than > 100MB, with no pages open. > > Then it just seems to progressively build up > to two-thirds to three-quarters of 1 Gb, > slowing the computer down badly. So > I kill it again and start over. > > The one thing that seems to be new is the > server-forced upgrade by skype, which > put a dialler into FF. I'll remove that to > see if it makes a difference. Extensions are a known memory issue, so this is a good idea. I seem to remember you had an IPCop box? If so you can turn on and use the proxy server "squid" in that box and reduce the ammount of cache that Firefox uses itself. E Drummond's support page tells you how to reduce the cache. Firefox and IE on all boxes will need to be pointed at squid on IPCop as it's proxy. Squid will then cache common web images and it's disk space is adjustable from the IPCop SHTML control panel. I als recommend the "Adblock plus" extension on Firefox which will let you block many flash and picture ads reducing both memory use and download time on websites. You can use asterisk wildcards to block whole sites if you wish like "*doubleclick.*" which will catch doubleclick.com/page-x and ads.doubleclick.com.au/page-y -- Michael All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well - Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416 From kirjava at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 06:18:16 2009 From: kirjava at gmail.com (Rene Bartosh) Date: Sat Mar 28 06:18:25 2009 Subject: [hblug] Meeting Reminder: Wed 1st April 2009 Message-ID: What: Hawkes Bay LUG Meeting When: Wed 1st April 2009 from 7pm till around 10pm Where: Fine Furniture/Taradale Upholstery 169 Gloucester St, Taradale (rear building) Map: http://maps.google.com/?q=169%20Gloucester%20St%2C%20Taradale%2C%20Hawkes%20Bay%204112%2C%20New%20Zealand This month I have to show off: eeebuntu running on that "tiny wee laptop thing" (asus eee pc 901) of mine, and also my shiny new e-mail setup with postfix+dovecot+postgrey+postfixadmin (basically virtual domain/mailbox e-mail setup with IMAP, SSL, authenticated SMTP, spam attacking and web-based config). Oh and also Skynet, the VPN product from Daniel Faulknor. Please feel free to come along and meet us, talk about Linux, install Linux, debug problems etc. If you want to bring a computer, please bring some extension cables, a 4 way board etc. and a patch cable (if you want internet/network). Extra switches and cat5 are always a bonus. We have monitors and keyboards/rodents spare, as well as jug cords. If you have any queries, please feel free to reply to this message. Thanks to Fine Furniture for providing venue/internet. -- >From Rene Bartosh (Gmail account) Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/ Work: http://eksion.net/