From kirjava at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 12:03:41 2009 From: kirjava at gmail.com (Rene Bartosh) Date: Wed Jul 1 12:03:54 2009 Subject: [hblug] Re: HBLUG Meeting Reminder: Wed 1st July 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just a reminder we are all go - will have the air con pumping on full and we have blankets to cover any gear being carried from vehicles. Cheers, Rene 2009/6/25 Rene Bartosh : > What: Hawkes Bay LUG Meeting > When: Wed 1st July 2009 from 7pm till around 10pm > Where: Fine Furniture/Taradale Upholstery > 169 Gloucester St, Taradale (rear building) > Map: http://maps.google.com/?q=169%20Gloucester%20St%2C%20Taradale%2C%20Hawkes%20Bay%204112%2C%20New%20Zealand > > Please feel free to come along and meet us, talk about Linux, install > Linux, debug problems etc. > > If you want to bring a computer, please bring some extension cables, a 4 way > board etc. and a patch cable (if you want internet/network). Extra > switches and cat5 are always a bonus. We have monitors and > keyboards/rodents spare, as well as jug cords. > > If you have any queries, please feel free to reply to this message. > > Thanks to Fine Furniture for providing venue/internet. > > -- > From Rene Bartosh (Gmail account) > Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/ > Work: http://eksion.net/ > -- >From Rene Bartosh (Gmail account) Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/ Work: http://eksion.net/ From zendattacorporation at hotmail.com Fri Jul 10 05:18:38 2009 From: zendattacorporation at hotmail.com (jon zendatta) Date: Fri Jul 10 05:18:57 2009 Subject: [hblug] Preload Message-ID: Speed Up Your System With Preload On Ubuntu 9.04 ================================================ This tutorial explains how you can install preload on Ubuntu 9.04. preload is an adaptive readahead daemon. It monitors applications that users run, and by analyzing this data, predicts what applications users might run, and fetches those binaries and their dependencies into memory for faster startup times. You can find the document here: ------------------------------- http://www.howtoforge.com/speed-up-your-system-with-preload-on-ubuntu-9.04 reg/linux/usr/#453274 /reg/ubuntu/usr/#17340 _________________________________________________________________ Feeling the financial pinch? Check on MSN NZ Money for a hand http://money.msn.co.nz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20090710/dc098b04/attachment.htm From linux_mike at paradise.net.nz Sun Jul 26 09:15:28 2009 From: linux_mike at paradise.net.nz (Michael Adams) Date: Sun Jul 26 09:10:27 2009 Subject: [hblug] Lost WAN over HAM thread??? Message-ID: <20090726091528.6c88abb8.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> There was a thread a while back about some guys that had set up a WAN running a WiFi network boosted through a single HAM aerial here in Taradale. I cant find the thread (no search tool on the online archives - and google wasn't any help, even using site:www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/ in the search string) but it could be the words i am using. I know they had a HAM licence. I searched "ham" and "aerial". If anyone can recall the thread for me i'd be grateful. Someone with the whole HBLUG history archived on GMail may be able to find it - then point me the right thread or month here: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/ An update of how it's going now by those concerned would also be good. I intend to throw the idea into a discussion about "mesh computing to bypass future internet censorship" on NZOSS. If you don't know what mesh computing is the OLPC project has a good flash demo here: http://laptop.org/images/flash/meshDemo18.swf You can turn on boxes individually. You can also move the computers and the world (representing internet connectivity) around to see how the signal strengths increase and decrease. -- Michael All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well - Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416 From kirjava at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 19:28:43 2009 From: kirjava at gmail.com (Rene Bartosh) Date: Sun Jul 26 19:28:56 2009 Subject: [hblug] Lost WAN over HAM thread??? In-Reply-To: <20090726091528.6c88abb8.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> References: <20090726091528.6c88abb8.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: Can't find anything in my gmail archives and they go back as far as the current mailing list server afaik. Was it by any way a project called "Taradale Wireless"? If so, myself and a few other locals are in the stages of setting up an outdoor wireless AP on the hill above Taradale. No idea how far the range will be yet, but the site has clear LOS to most of Taradale and Napier. Currently I have a 12dbi omni-directional 2.4ghz wireless antenna, mounting gear and a 600mw Senao/Engenius access point sitting in the garage, waiting for a fine weekend when I am home to go install it. As for radio licenses, as I understand it, as long as the total EIRP of the installation is below the levels set by the MED no license is required, as it is operating in an unlicensed band. As to the purpose of the whole thing, the idea is simply to provide wireless peering around the town, with any services run on it being up to the users (e.g. Internet connectivity, gaming servers etc). Regards, Rene 2009/7/26 Michael Adams : > > There was a thread a while back about some guys that had set up a > WAN running a WiFi network boosted through a single HAM aerial here in > Taradale. I cant find the thread (no search tool on the online archives > - and google wasn't any help, even using > site:www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/ in the search string) but it > could be the words i am using. I know they had a HAM licence. I searched > "ham" and "aerial". > > If anyone can recall the thread for me i'd be grateful. Someone with > the whole HBLUG history archived on GMail may be able to find it - then > point me the right thread or month here: > http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/ > > An update of how it's going now by those concerned would also be good. I > intend to throw the idea into a discussion about "mesh computing to > bypass future internet censorship" on NZOSS. > > If you don't know what mesh computing is the OLPC project has a good > flash demo here: > http://laptop.org/images/flash/meshDemo18.swf > You can turn on boxes individually. You can also move the computers and > the world (representing internet connectivity) around to see how the > signal strengths increase and decrease. > > -- > Michael > > All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall > be well > > ?- Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416 > > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > -- >From Rene Bartosh (Gmail account) Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/ Work: http://eksion.net/ From bvidulich at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 19:47:57 2009 From: bvidulich at gmail.com (Ben Vidulich) Date: Sun Jul 26 19:48:09 2009 Subject: [hblug] Lost WAN over HAM thread??? In-Reply-To: References: <20090726091528.6c88abb8.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: Here's a link to the starting message Rene is referring to: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/2008-May/001648.html Mesh computing is a very good idea, but as most of the people involved in the Taradale Wireless project have directional antennae it could get a little tricky. If there was some sort of hybrid half-mesh and half point-to-multipoint system then we would not need to buy new aerials and the advantages of mesh networking would be there too. The level set by the MED is approximately 4 Watts for 2.4GHz ISM band, and I'm fairly certain the wireless network should keep under that quite nicely. Finally, yes I do have my ham license but due to the nature of this project, an amateur radio license is not needed (the project uses a public band). On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Rene Bartosh wrote: > Can't find anything in my gmail archives and they go back as far as > the current mailing list server afaik. > > Was it by any way a project called "Taradale Wireless"? If so, myself > and a few other locals are in the stages of setting up an outdoor > wireless AP on the hill above Taradale. No idea how far the range will > be yet, but the site has clear LOS to most of Taradale and Napier. > Currently I have a 12dbi omni-directional 2.4ghz wireless antenna, > mounting gear and a 600mw Senao/Engenius access point sitting in the > garage, waiting for a fine weekend when I am home to go install it. > > As for radio licenses, as I understand it, as long as the total EIRP > of the installation is below the levels set by the MED no license is > required, as it is operating in an unlicensed band. > > As to the purpose of the whole thing, the idea is simply to provide > wireless peering around the town, with any services run on it being up > to the users (e.g. Internet connectivity, gaming servers etc). > > Regards, > > Rene > > 2009/7/26 Michael Adams : > > > > There was a thread a while back about some guys that had set up a > > WAN running a WiFi network boosted through a single HAM aerial here in > > Taradale. I cant find the thread (no search tool on the online archives > > - and google wasn't any help, even using > > site:www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/ in the search string) but it > > could be the words i am using. I know they had a HAM licence. I searched > > "ham" and "aerial". > > > > If anyone can recall the thread for me i'd be grateful. Someone with > > the whole HBLUG history archived on GMail may be able to find it - then > > point me the right thread or month here: > > http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/ > > > > An update of how it's going now by those concerned would also be good. I > > intend to throw the idea into a discussion about "mesh computing to > > bypass future internet censorship" on NZOSS. > > > > If you don't know what mesh computing is the OLPC project has a good > > flash demo here: > > http://laptop.org/images/flash/meshDemo18.swf > > You can turn on boxes individually. You can also move the computers and > > the world (representing internet connectivity) around to see how the > > signal strengths increase and decrease. > > > > -- > > Michael > > > > All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall > > be well > > > > - Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > HBLUG mailing list > > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > > > > > > -- > >From Rene Bartosh (Gmail account) > Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/ > Work: http://eksion.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > -- -- Ben Vidulich Email: bvidulich@gmail.com Website: www.vidulich.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20090726/4f6f394f/attachment.htm From linux_mike at paradise.net.nz Mon Jul 27 05:14:32 2009 From: linux_mike at paradise.net.nz (Michael Adams) Date: Mon Jul 27 05:09:27 2009 Subject: [hblug] Lost WAN over HAM thread??? In-Reply-To: References: <20090726091528.6c88abb8.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <20090727051432.766b01a2.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:47:57 +1200 Came this utterance formulated by Ben Vidulich to my mailbox: > Here's a link to the starting message Rene is referring to: > http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/2008-May/001648.html > That's it. The site referred to there is no longer up? http://wifi.taradale.geek.nz -- Michael All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well - Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416 From bvidulich at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 16:48:43 2009 From: bvidulich at gmail.com (Ben Vidulich) Date: Tue Jul 28 16:48:55 2009 Subject: [hblug] Lost WAN over HAM thread??? In-Reply-To: <20090727051432.766b01a2.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> References: <20090726091528.6c88abb8.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> <20090727051432.766b01a2.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: We never renewed the domain name when it expired a few months ago, which explains why you cannot get to it. If there was information on the site that you would like to know, then try emailing Rene, Evan, or myself and we should be able to fill you in. As far as the project goes, we are in the process of moving the center-point to a location on the hill behind Taradale which should provide better coverage of the wireless. On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:14 AM, Michael Adams wrote: > On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:47:57 +1200 > Came this utterance formulated by Ben Vidulich to my mailbox: > > > Here's a link to the starting message Rene is referring to: > > http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/2008-May/001648.html > > > > That's it. The site referred to there is no longer up? > http://wifi.taradale.geek.nz > > -- > Michael > > All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall > be well > > - Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416 > > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > -- -- Ben Vidulich Email: bvidulich@gmail.com Website: www.vidulich.info Vidulich VoIP: 028 255 01110 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Einstein From maggoty.haggis at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 20:22:18 2009 From: maggoty.haggis at gmail.com (E Drummond) Date: Tue Jul 28 20:22:28 2009 Subject: [hblug] save photos to Flash drive In-Reply-To: <4A6EB45F.8050300@orcon.net.nz> References: <4A6EB45F.8050300@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: Can you not simply copy and paste the individual files from whatever directory they're in to a directory on the flash drive? Using KDE's "file manager", it's called Dolphin I believe Cheers, Erin On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Rose McGillicuddy wrote: > Hi everyone > > I have a number of photos in different folders that I want to save to a > Flash Drive. ?I have saved individual photos previously, but cannot for the > life of me think how I did it ... maybe via Konqueror. ?Anyway if anyone can > advise me I'd be very grateful > > I run Pclinuxos using KDE. > > Thanks > Rose > -- > Registered Linux User No: 386597 > http://counter.li.org > "The most beautiful thing in life we can experience is the mysterious. It is > the source of all true science." ?Einstein > > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > From rmcgillicuddy at orcon.net.nz Tue Jul 28 20:26:49 2009 From: rmcgillicuddy at orcon.net.nz (Rose McGillicuddy) Date: Tue Jul 28 20:26:59 2009 Subject: [hblug] save photos to Flash drive In-Reply-To: References: <4A6EB45F.8050300@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <4A6EB649.9040003@orcon.net.nz> E Drummond wrote: > Can you not simply copy and paste the individual files from whatever > directory they're in to a directory on the flash drive? Using KDE's > "file manager", it's called Dolphin I believe > > Cheers, > Erin Hmmm - there's over a hundred files. I suppose I could use Ctrl to save multiple files. Will try Thanks Rose -- Registered Linux User No: 386597 http://counter.li.org "The most beautiful thing in life we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true science." Einstein From maggoty.haggis at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 20:28:30 2009 From: maggoty.haggis at gmail.com (E Drummond) Date: Tue Jul 28 20:28:42 2009 Subject: [hblug] save photos to Flash drive In-Reply-To: <4A6EB649.9040003@orcon.net.nz> References: <4A6EB45F.8050300@orcon.net.nz> <4A6EB649.9040003@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: You can also shift+click to select many files at once At least I hope you can in Dolphin, you can in Nautilus and PCManFM Cheers, Erin On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Rose McGillicuddy wrote: > E Drummond wrote: >> >> Can you not simply copy and paste the individual files from whatever >> directory they're in to a directory on the flash drive? Using KDE's >> "file manager", it's called Dolphin I believe >> >> Cheers, >> Erin > > Hmmm - there's over a hundred files. ?I suppose I could use Ctrl to save > multiple files. > > Will try > Thanks > Rose > -- > Registered Linux User No: 386597 > http://counter.li.org > "The most beautiful thing in life we can experience is the mysterious. It is > the source of all true science." ?Einstein > > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > From rmcgillicuddy at orcon.net.nz Tue Jul 28 21:29:26 2009 From: rmcgillicuddy at orcon.net.nz (Rose McGillicuddy) Date: Tue Jul 28 21:29:37 2009 Subject: [hblug] save photos to Flash drive In-Reply-To: References: <4A6EB45F.8050300@orcon.net.nz> <4A6EB649.9040003@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <4A6EC4F6.4030007@orcon.net.nz> E Drummond wrote: > You can also shift+click to select many files at once > At least I hope you can in Dolphin, you can in Nautilus and PCManFM > > Cheers, > Erin OK - thanks. Installed Dolphin and was able to copy the entire folders. Thanks for that - have needed that function for a while :-) Will save me resorting to Windows for such activities! cheers Rose -- Registered Linux User No: 386597 http://counter.li.org "The most beautiful thing in life we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true science." Einstein From racepics at paradise.net.nz Wed Jul 29 17:32:46 2009 From: racepics at paradise.net.nz (chris morris) Date: Wed Jul 29 17:32:55 2009 Subject: [hblug] OT - Thompson wireless adsl modem-routers In-Reply-To: <4A6EC4F6.4030007@orcon.net.nz> References: <4A6EB45F.8050300@orcon.net.nz> <4A6EB649.9040003@orcon.net.nz> <4A6EC4F6.4030007@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <4A6FDEFE.2020304@paradise.net.nz> Has anyone had experiences, good or bad with Xtra's freeby Thompson ADSL wireless routers? One of my clients recently signed up and were given one by Xtra. It appears to have a wireless range of about 10 feet! If you leave the room housing the router and connection drops out. By contrast, he can 'see' at least 3 other ( linksys and d-link routers belonging to his neighbors ) I've never heard of this Thompson brand, I suspect its exclusive to Telecom/Xtra. Before I recommend a Linksys or D-link to him are there any other brands that have good range? cheers chris From p.spiller at xtra.co.nz Wed Jul 29 17:41:18 2009 From: p.spiller at xtra.co.nz (Perry Spiller) Date: Wed Jul 29 17:41:34 2009 Subject: [hblug] OT - Thompson wireless ADSL modem-routers In-Reply-To: <4A6FDEFE.2020304@paradise.net.nz> References: <4A6EB45F.8050300@orcon.net.nz> <4A6EB649.9040003@orcon.net.nz> <4A6EC4F6.4030007@orcon.net.nz> <4A6FDEFE.2020304@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <968972.74836.qm@rel105.mail.aue.yahoo.com> My first question would be regarding the aerial or aerials, (plural). Maybe Telecon are giving away dumbed- down WAPs so as to reduce the likelihood of neighbours pirating connection capacity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20090729/6dc7dcfc/attachment.htm From racepics at paradise.net.nz Wed Jul 29 17:50:07 2009 From: racepics at paradise.net.nz (chris morris) Date: Wed Jul 29 17:50:15 2009 Subject: [hblug] OT - Thompson wireless ADSL modem-routers In-Reply-To: <968972.74836.qm@rel105.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <4A6EB45F.8050300@orcon.net.nz> <4A6EB649.9040003@orcon.net.nz> <4A6EC4F6.4030007@orcon.net.nz> <4A6FDEFE.2020304@paradise.net.nz> <968972.74836.qm@rel105.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A6FE30F.3030509@paradise.net.nz> Its one of these http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/tq/54/98200454.jpg cheers chris From p.spiller at xtra.co.nz Wed Jul 29 18:19:32 2009 From: p.spiller at xtra.co.nz (Perry Spiller) Date: Wed Jul 29 18:19:41 2009 Subject: [hblug] OT - Thompson wireless ADSL modem-routers In-Reply-To: <4A6FE30F.3030509@paradise.net.nz> References: <4A6EB45F.8050300@orcon.net.nz> <4A6EB649.9040003@orcon.net.nz> <4A6EC4F6.4030007@orcon.net.nz> <4A6FDEFE.2020304@paradise.net.nz> <968972.74836.qm@rel105.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <4A6FE30F.3030509@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <565434.92522.qm@rel105.mail.aue.yahoo.com> I wouldn't trust Telecon as far as I could throw the beehive. Nonetheless, where is the WAP device located? Is something nearby getting in the way/causing some limitation to signal transmission/receving? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20090729/14d5e6c1/attachment.htm From racepics at paradise.net.nz Wed Jul 29 18:41:48 2009 From: racepics at paradise.net.nz (chris morris) Date: Wed Jul 29 18:42:25 2009 Subject: [hblug] OT - Thompson wireless ADSL modem-routers In-Reply-To: <565434.92522.qm@rel105.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <4A6EB45F.8050300@orcon.net.nz> <4A6EB649.9040003@orcon.net.nz> <4A6EC4F6.4030007@orcon.net.nz> <4A6FDEFE.2020304@paradise.net.nz> <968972.74836.qm@rel105.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <4A6FE30F.3030509@paradise.net.nz> <565434.92522.qm@rel105.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A6FEF2C.1090405@paradise.net.nz> Its in a room one wall away from the area where he wants sit with his vista laptop and use it. In a straight line, maybe 8-10 metres. The wall appears to be standard issue modern house construction ( no visible concrete/steel/corrugated iron ) You can sit in the same room as the router and use the net fine - leave the room and the connection ( while still reading 90% connectivity ) drops out as soon as you try to do anything. When you try to reconnect, the router is no longer detected ( all of the neighbors ones are still visible though ) so you take the lappy back into the router room and still nothing. Pushing the wireless button on the front of the router seems to kick it back into life and you can now detect it and connect... chris Perry Spiller wrote: > I wouldn't trust Telecon as far as I could > throw the beehive. Nonetheless, where > is the WAP device located? Is something > nearby getting in the way/causing some > limitation to signal transmission/receving? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > -- Chris Morris Sportsimages Photography, Computer Repairs, Websites, 560 Lowe Street Hastings 4120 06 878 3573 021 2537925 http://www.sportsimages.co.nz From p.spiller at xtra.co.nz Wed Jul 29 18:55:44 2009 From: p.spiller at xtra.co.nz (Perry Spiller) Date: Wed Jul 29 18:55:53 2009 Subject: [hblug] OT - Thompson wireless ADSL modem-routers In-Reply-To: <4A6FEF2C.1090405@paradise.net.nz> References: <4A6EB45F.8050300@orcon.net.nz> <4A6EB649.9040003@orcon.net.nz> <4A6EC4F6.4030007@orcon.net.nz> <4A6FDEFE.2020304@paradise.net.nz> <968972.74836.qm@rel105.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <4A6FE30F.3030509@paradise.net.nz> <565434.92522.qm@rel105.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <4A6FEF2C.1090405@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <731840.16435.qm@rel104.mail.aue.yahoo.com> ----------------Earlier, you commented-------------------- >. . . Pushing the wireless button on the front of the router seems >to kick it back into life and you can now detect it and connect... Right - crap it is, then. Another fine offering from Telecon. Giving them away, did you say. . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20090729/6b6d1e3a/attachment.htm From safe at safemasters.co.nz Thu Jul 30 10:23:57 2009 From: safe at safemasters.co.nz (Fraser Burns) Date: Thu Jul 30 10:24:33 2009 Subject: [hblug] OT - Thompson wireless ADSL modem-routers In-Reply-To: <4A6FEF2C.1090405@paradise.net.nz> References: <4A6EB45F.8050300@orcon.net.nz> <4A6EB649.9040003@orcon.net.nz> <4A6EC4F6.4030007@orcon.net.nz> <4A6FDEFE.2020304@paradise.net.nz> <968972.74836.qm@rel105.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <4A6FE30F.3030509@paradise.net.nz> <565434.92522.qm@rel105.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <4A6FEF2C.1090405@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <4A70CBFD.5040102@safemasters.co.nz> That would make me suspect foil backed wallpaper or foil backed Gib. I have been caught by both of those in places that I didn't suspect. The easiest way to test for this without fancy gear is to : do a test up close to the wall on one side, then another test up close on the other side. Since the wall is only 100mm thick the results should be identical. If there is a significant difference, then there is something in the wall. regards Fraser chris morris wrote: > Its in a room one wall away from the area where he wants sit with his > vista laptop and use it. In a straight line, maybe 8-10 metres. > The wall appears to be standard issue modern house construction ( no > visible concrete/steel/corrugated iron ) > You can sit in the same room as the router and use the net fine - > leave the room and the connection ( while still reading 90% > connectivity ) drops out as soon as you try to do anything. > When you try to reconnect, the router is no longer detected ( all of > the neighbors ones are still visible though ) so you take the lappy > back into the router room and still nothing. Pushing the wireless > button on the front of the router seems to kick it back into life and > you can now detect it and connect... > > chris > > From racepics at paradise.net.nz Thu Jul 30 10:43:35 2009 From: racepics at paradise.net.nz (chris morris) Date: Thu Jul 30 10:44:02 2009 Subject: [hblug] OT - Thompson wireless ADSL modem-routers In-Reply-To: <4A70CBFD.5040102@safemasters.co.nz> References: <4A6EB45F.8050300@orcon.net.nz> <4A6EB649.9040003@orcon.net.nz> <4A6EC4F6.4030007@orcon.net.nz> <4A6FDEFE.2020304@paradise.net.nz> <968972.74836.qm@rel105.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <4A6FE30F.3030509@paradise.net.nz> <565434.92522.qm@rel105.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <4A6FEF2C.1090405@paradise.net.nz> <4A70CBFD.5040102@safemasters.co.nz> Message-ID: <4A70D097.5010308@paradise.net.nz> Would foil backed wall coverings also affect cordless phones? The router has a cordless phone base right next to it, but the phone works fine anywhere in the house. chris Fraser Burns wrote: > That would make me suspect foil backed wallpaper or foil backed Gib. > I have been caught by both of those in places that I didn't suspect. > The easiest way to test for this without fancy gear is to : > do a test up close to the wall on one side, > then another test up close on the other side. > Since the wall is only 100mm thick the results should be identical. > If there is a significant difference, then there is something in the > wall. > > regards > Fraser > > > chris morris wrote: >> Its in a room one wall away from the area where he wants sit with his >> vista laptop and use it. In a straight line, maybe 8-10 metres. >> The wall appears to be standard issue modern house construction ( no >> visible concrete/steel/corrugated iron ) >> You can sit in the same room as the router and use the net fine - >> leave the room and the connection ( while still reading 90% >> connectivity ) drops out as soon as you try to do anything. >> When you try to reconnect, the router is no longer detected ( all of >> the neighbors ones are still visible though ) so you take the lappy >> back into the router room and still nothing. Pushing the wireless >> button on the front of the router seems to kick it back into life and >> you can now detect it and connect... >> >> chris >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > -- Chris Morris Sportsimages Photography, Computer Repairs, Websites, 560 Lowe Street Hastings 4120 06 878 3573 021 2537925 http://www.sportsimages.co.nz From p.spiller at xtra.co.nz Thu Jul 30 11:05:24 2009 From: p.spiller at xtra.co.nz (Perry Spiller) Date: Thu Jul 30 11:28:39 2009 Subject: [hblug] OT - Thompson wireless ADSL modem-routers In-Reply-To: <4A70D097.5010308@paradise.net.nz> References: <4A6EB45F.8050300@orcon.net.nz> <4A6EB649.9040003@orcon.net.nz> <4A6EC4F6.4030007@orcon.net.nz> <4A6FDEFE.2020304@paradise.net.nz> <968972.74836.qm@rel105.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <4A6FE30F.3030509@paradise.net.nz> <565434.92522.qm@rel105.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <4A6FEF2C.1090405@paradise.net.nz> <4A70CBFD.5040102@safemasters.co.nz> <4A70D097.5010308@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <81134.26539.qm@rel104.mail.aue.yahoo.com> EMR from electrical wiring can be a suspect, too. I know that our cordless works better when I pull it away from the wall. Because I did the wiring, I know there's some 2.5 TPS right behind where it sits. Seems like a complimentary test (to what Fraser suggests) would be to put things in different rooms to observe any differences. Perry ----------------Earlier, you commented-------------------- >Would foil backed wall coverings also affect cordless phones? >The router has a cordless phone base right next to it, but the phone >works fine anywhere in the house. > >chris > > >Fraser Burns wrote: >>That would make me suspect foil backed wallpaper or foil backed Gib. >>I have been caught by both of those in places that I didn't suspect. >>The easiest way to test for this without fancy gear is to : >> do a test up close to the wall on one side, >> then another test up close on the other side. >>Since the wall is only 100mm thick the results should be identical. >>If there is a significant difference, then there is something in the wall. >> >>regards >>Fraser >> >> >>chris morris wrote: >>>Its in a room one wall away from the area where he wants sit with >>>his vista laptop and use it. In a straight line, maybe 8-10 metres. >>>The wall appears to be standard issue modern house construction ( >>>no visible concrete/steel/corrugated iron ) >>>You can sit in the same room as the router and use the net fine - >>>leave the room and the connection ( while still reading 90% >>>connectivity ) drops out as soon as you try to do anything. >>>When you try to reconnect, the router is no longer detected ( all >>>of the neighbors ones are still visible though ) so you take the >>>lappy back into the router room and still nothing. Pushing the >>>wireless button on the front of the router seems to kick it back >>>into life and you can now detect it and connect... >>> >>>chris >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>HBLUG mailing list >>HBLUG@linux.net.nz >>http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > > >-- >Chris Morris >Sportsimages Photography, >Computer Repairs, Websites, >560 Lowe Street >Hastings 4120 >06 878 3573 >021 2537925 >http://www.sportsimages.co.nz > > >_______________________________________________ >HBLUG mailing list >HBLUG@linux.net.nz >http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20090730/978fb9ae/attachment-0001.htm From kirjava at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 12:59:37 2009 From: kirjava at gmail.com (Rene Bartosh) Date: Thu Jul 30 12:59:48 2009 Subject: [hblug] OT - Thompson wireless ADSL modem-routers In-Reply-To: <4A70D097.5010308@paradise.net.nz> References: <4A6EB45F.8050300@orcon.net.nz> <4A6EC4F6.4030007@orcon.net.nz> <4A6FDEFE.2020304@paradise.net.nz> <968972.74836.qm@rel105.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <4A6FE30F.3030509@paradise.net.nz> <565434.92522.qm@rel105.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <4A6FEF2C.1090405@paradise.net.nz> <4A70CBFD.5040102@safemasters.co.nz> <4A70D097.5010308@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: Try turn off the cordless phone and testing - it could be interfering with the wireless as well. As for the foil-backed paper, can you plug the access point in say outside on an extension lead and see how far you can walk with the laptop line of site? Another option would be to bring around another access point for a side-by-side comparison when they are in the same place. Rene 2009/7/30 chris morris : > Would foil backed wall coverings also affect cordless phones? > The router has a cordless phone base right next to it, but the phone works > fine anywhere in the house. > > chris > > > Fraser Burns wrote: >> >> That would make me suspect foil backed wallpaper or foil backed Gib. >> I have been caught by both of those in places that I didn't suspect. >> The easiest way to test for this without fancy gear is to : >> ? ?do a test up close to the wall on one side, >> ? ?then another test up close on the other side. >> Since the wall is only 100mm thick the results should be identical. >> If there is a significant difference, then there is something in the wall. >> >> regards >> Fraser >> >> >> chris morris wrote: >>> >>> Its in a room one wall away from the area where he wants sit with his >>> vista laptop and use it. In a straight line, maybe 8-10 metres. >>> The wall appears to be standard issue modern house construction ( no >>> visible concrete/steel/corrugated iron ) >>> You can sit in the same room as the router and use the net fine - leave >>> the room and the connection ( while still reading 90% connectivity ) drops >>> out as soon as you try to do anything. >>> When you try to reconnect, the router is no longer detected ( all of the >>> neighbors ones are still visible though ) so you take the lappy back into >>> the router room and still nothing. Pushing the wireless button on the front >>> of the router seems to kick it back into life and you can now detect it and >>> connect... >>> >>> chris >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HBLUG mailing list >> HBLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug >> > > > -- > Chris Morris > Sportsimages Photography, > Computer Repairs, Websites, > 560 Lowe Street > Hastings 4120 > 06 878 3573 > 021 2537925 > http://www.sportsimages.co.nz > > > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > -- >From Rene Bartosh (Gmail account) Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/ Work: http://eksion.net/ From kirjava at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 18:22:34 2009 From: kirjava at gmail.com (Rene Bartosh) Date: Thu Jul 30 18:22:51 2009 Subject: [hblug] HBLUG Meeting Reminder: Wed 5th August 2009 Message-ID: What: Hawkes Bay LUG Meeting When: Wed 5th August 2009 from 7pm till around 10pm Where: Fine Furniture/Taradale Upholstery 169 Gloucester St, Taradale (rear building) Map: http://maps.google.com/?q=169%20Gloucester%20St%2C%20Taradale%2C%20Hawkes%20Bay%204112%2C%20New%20Zealand Please feel free to come along and meet us, talk about Linux, install Linux, debug problems etc. If you want to bring a computer, please bring some extension cables, a 4 way board etc. and a patch cable (if you want internet/network). Extra switches and cat5 are always a bonus. We have monitors and keyboards/rodents spare, as well as jug cords. If you have any queries, please feel free to reply to this message. Thanks to Fine Furniture for providing venue/internet. -- >From Rene Bartosh (Gmail account) Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/ Work: http://eksion.net/ From p.spiller at xtra.co.nz Thu Jul 30 18:40:00 2009 From: p.spiller at xtra.co.nz (Perry Spiller) Date: Thu Jul 30 22:25:12 2009 Subject: [hblug] HBLUG Meeting Reminder: Wed 5th August 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <613254.74095.qm@rel105.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Much and all as I like to hang out with you guys and gals, I'm off to my brother's Cairns- placed wedding. Think of me, suffering in the 27 degree 'heat' (and weep?) Heh, heh, heh. Have fun. Perry the absentee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Different frequencies so some difference in effect, but both should show severe reduction. regards Fraser chris morris wrote: > Would foil backed wall coverings also affect cordless phones? > The router has a cordless phone base right next to it, but the phone > works fine anywhere in the house. > > chris > > > Fraser Burns wrote: >> That would make me suspect foil backed wallpaper or foil backed Gib. >> I have been caught by both of those in places that I didn't suspect. >> The easiest way to test for this without fancy gear is to : >> do a test up close to the wall on one side, >> then another test up close on the other side. >> Since the wall is only 100mm thick the results should be identical. >> If there is a significant difference, then there is something in the >> wall. >> >> regards >> Fraser >> >> >> chris morris wrote: >>> Its in a room one wall away from the area where he wants sit with >>> his vista laptop and use it. In a straight line, maybe 8-10 metres. >>> The wall appears to be standard issue modern house construction ( no >>> visible concrete/steel/corrugated iron ) >>> You can sit in the same room as the router and use the net fine - >>> leave the room and the connection ( while still reading 90% >>> connectivity ) drops out as soon as you try to do anything. >>> When you try to reconnect, the router is no longer detected ( all of >>> the neighbors ones are still visible though ) so you take the lappy >>> back into the router room and still nothing. Pushing the wireless >>> button on the front of the router seems to kick it back into life >>> and you can now detect it and connect... >>> >>> chris >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HBLUG mailing list >> HBLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug >> > >