From kirjava at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 20:07:35 2009 From: kirjava at gmail.com (Rene Bartosh) Date: Sun Aug 2 20:08:17 2009 Subject: [hblug] Lost WAN over HAM thread??? In-Reply-To: References: <20090726091528.6c88abb8.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> <20090727051432.766b01a2.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: Yesterday Evan and I installed the antenna and access point on the hill above Puketapu Road (kinda near Harpham Street). So far things are looking good, I can pick it up with a laptop at my place (needs something a bit more powerful to connect however). We have people connected from Gloucester Street (myself), King Street, Kent Terrace and Ngarimu Crecent. Antennas used include a 14dbi patch antenna, a 19dbi parabolic grid, a 24dbi parabolic grid and a 15dbi omni, radios include a WRT54GS, a 400mw senao and PCI cards. Initial speeds range from 2-5mbits but tweaking should improve this. We are still ironing out the TCP/IP setup of the network, and tweaking the wireless settings. If anyone is interested or wants more details, please contact me here or off list. If anyone is interested in having access to a broadband connection via wireless, this could also be arranged (for a small share of the bill). Will keep you folks posted of any developements. Cheers, Rene 2009/7/28 Ben Vidulich : > We never renewed the domain name when it expired a few months ago, which > explains why you cannot get to it. If there was information on the site that > you would like to know, then try emailing Rene, Evan, or myself and we > should be able to fill you in. > As far as the project goes, we are in the process of moving the center-point > to a location on the hill behind Taradale which should provide better > coverage of the wireless. > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:14 AM, Michael Adams > wrote: >> >> On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:47:57 +1200 >> Came this utterance formulated by Ben Vidulich to my mailbox: >> >> > Here's a link to the starting message Rene is referring to: >> > http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/2008-May/001648.html >> > >> >> That's it. The site referred to there is no longer up? >> http://wifi.taradale.geek.nz >> >> -- >> Michael >> >> All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall >> be well >> >> ?- Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HBLUG mailing list >> HBLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > > > > -- > -- > Ben Vidulich > Email: bvidulich@gmail.com > Website: www.vidulich.info > Vidulich VoIP: 028 255 01110 > > > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > > -- >From Rene Bartosh (Gmail account) Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/ Work: http://eksion.net/ From kirjava at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 22:17:36 2009 From: kirjava at gmail.com (Rene Bartosh) Date: Sun Aug 2 22:17:53 2009 Subject: [hblug] ADSL2+ on the Taradale exchange Message-ID: Hi folks, Just something a friend forwarded from a support request to Chorus re: why the ADSL2+ upgrade on the Taradale exchange is behind schedule. "Chorus has installed broadband equipment in your Exchange and currently providing ADSL2+ service to Telecom Retail customers, Due to bandwidth issues we are unable to provide ADSL2+ to all Telecom wholesale customers but we wish to have this problem rectified by early 2010. Although Chorus operates the physical network that your telecommunications provider probably uses to deliver phone and Internet services to you, and our Technicians may be utilised to complete installations and investigate faults, you will need to contact your service provider in regards to ADSL2+ availability." Cheers, Rene -- >From Rene Bartosh (Gmail account) Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/ Work: http://eksion.net/ From clint.deckard at frontiers.co.nz Wed Aug 5 15:40:53 2009 From: clint.deckard at frontiers.co.nz (clint.deckard) Date: Wed Aug 5 15:42:05 2009 Subject: [hblug] mailman and meeting Message-ID: <4A78FF45.2090707@frontiers.co.nz> Hi all, I had every intention of getting to the meeting tonight but circumstances have got in the way. I hoped that someone with more knowledge than myself might be able to help me... I have a domain hosted on a shared server with openhost.co.nz; I have managed to install Silverstripe and setup OK (great software and kiwi too) but I am stumped with how to get Mailman (or Majordomo) set up on a sub-domain. I have ftp'd the files to the correct location but since I don't have root access, how do i run scripts and commands to install. I am a newbie at this. Silverstripe is installed and setup with regular web access. Clint. From maggoty.haggis at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 15:58:09 2009 From: maggoty.haggis at gmail.com (E Drummond) Date: Wed Aug 5 15:58:19 2009 Subject: [hblug] mailman and meeting In-Reply-To: <4A78FF45.2090707@frontiers.co.nz> References: <4A78FF45.2090707@frontiers.co.nz> Message-ID: you would probably need ssh access to play around with things like that some scripts may need to be run as root though. I have never set up and used mailman so I dont know the details, but if it turns out you do need some form of root access you would need to contact your hosting provider. cheers, erin On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:40 PM, clint.deckard wrote: > Hi all, > I had every intention of getting to the meeting tonight but circumstances > have got in the way. > I hoped that someone with more knowledge than myself might be able to help > me... > I have a domain hosted on a shared server with openhost.co.nz; I have > managed to install Silverstripe and setup OK (great software and kiwi too) > but I am stumped with how to get Mailman (or Majordomo) set up on a > sub-domain. I have ftp'd the files to the correct location but since I don't > have root access, how do i run scripts and commands to install. > I am a newbie at this. Silverstripe is installed and setup with regular web > access. > > Clint. > > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > From jtittsler at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 16:11:11 2009 From: jtittsler at gmail.com (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed Aug 5 16:11:34 2009 Subject: [hblug] mailman and meeting In-Reply-To: <4A78FF45.2090707@frontiers.co.nz> References: <4A78FF45.2090707@frontiers.co.nz> Message-ID: <63e484160908042111o579ae30fj6cfed6e1caa163c3@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 15:40, clint.deckard wrote: > I have a domain hosted on a shared server with openhost.co.nz; I have > managed to install Silverstripe and setup OK (great software and kiwi too) > but I am stumped with how to get Mailman (or Majordomo) set up on a > sub-domain. I have ftp'd the files to the correct location but since I don't > have root access, how do i run scripts and commands to install. It is not practical to install Mailman without root privileges. (And a C compiler if installing from the source distribution.) It also is usually installed to run as its own user, and as part of the mail server's group for security reasons. Likewise Majordomo requires root to be installed properly. Maybe something like phpList would meet your needs. Or have you considered using GoogleGroups and making the administration Someone Else's Problem? -- Jim Tittsler http://OnNZ.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/ Mailman IRC irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman From clint.deckard at frontiers.co.nz Thu Aug 6 07:15:21 2009 From: clint.deckard at frontiers.co.nz (clint.deckard) Date: Thu Aug 6 07:15:49 2009 Subject: [hblug] mailman and meeting In-Reply-To: <63e484160908042111o579ae30fj6cfed6e1caa163c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A78FF45.2090707@frontiers.co.nz> <63e484160908042111o579ae30fj6cfed6e1caa163c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A79DA49.7040008@frontiers.co.nz> Jim, thank you for the reply. PHPList is only one way and I want two way communication. Google groups seems the next best choice but still requires users to have a google account and log into gmail (or setup forwarding) to use. Also, a little public for my liking. In the past I have used lists running on Majordomo and Mailman and all posting and replying happens on your email...easy. The search continues.... Thanks again, Clint. Jim Tittsler wrote: > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 15:40, > clint.deckard wrote: >> I have a domain hosted on a shared server with openhost.co.nz; I have >> managed to install Silverstripe and setup OK (great software and kiwi too) >> but I am stumped with how to get Mailman (or Majordomo) set up on a >> sub-domain. I have ftp'd the files to the correct location but since I don't >> have root access, how do i run scripts and commands to install. > > It is not practical to install Mailman without root privileges. (And > a C compiler if installing from the source distribution.) It also is > usually installed to run as its own user, and as part of the mail > server's group for security reasons. Likewise Majordomo requires root > to be installed properly. > > Maybe something like phpList would meet your needs. Or have you > considered using GoogleGroups and making the administration Someone > Else's Problem? > From clint.deckard at frontiers.co.nz Thu Aug 6 07:18:30 2009 From: clint.deckard at frontiers.co.nz (clint.deckard) Date: Thu Aug 6 07:18:57 2009 Subject: [hblug] mailman and meeting In-Reply-To: References: <4A78FF45.2090707@frontiers.co.nz> Message-ID: <4A79DB06.6070008@frontiers.co.nz> Erin, I think I will have to talk with openhost about ssh access or move to VPS. The cost of course is a good deal more. The alternative is to see if I can pay them to set it up for me. Thank you for your input. Cheers, Clint. E Drummond wrote: > you would probably need ssh access to play around with things like that > some scripts may need to be run as root though. I have never set up > and used mailman so I dont know the details, but if it turns out you > do need some form of root access you would need to contact your > hosting provider. > > cheers, > erin > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:40 PM, > clint.deckard wrote: >> Hi all, >> I had every intention of getting to the meeting tonight but circumstances >> have got in the way. >> I hoped that someone with more knowledge than myself might be able to help >> me... >> I have a domain hosted on a shared server with openhost.co.nz; I have >> managed to install Silverstripe and setup OK (great software and kiwi too) >> but I am stumped with how to get Mailman (or Majordomo) set up on a >> sub-domain. I have ftp'd the files to the correct location but since I don't >> have root access, how do i run scripts and commands to install. >> I am a newbie at this. Silverstripe is installed and setup with regular web >> access. >> >> Clint. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HBLUG mailing list >> HBLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug >> > > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > From p.spiller at xtra.co.nz Sat Aug 15 20:14:28 2009 From: p.spiller at xtra.co.nz (Perry Spiller) Date: Sat Aug 15 21:40:56 2009 Subject: [hblug] CPU Hogging Message-ID: <514603.28354.qm@rel106.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Some time back, I had a real problem with resources being hogged by something unknown. A list member recommended Process Explorer, a very handy utility which enabled me to pin-point the problem (tucked away in a svchost instance) and remove it. More recently, likely immediately after a Skype upgrade, my PC slowed to a crawl. E.g. five seconds after a key press, before the letter appeared on the screen! After a re-boot or two, back to Process Explorer, I went. 100% CPU use between skype, jqs.exe and anvir.exe. At first, I wasn't sure if the % figure per program meant the % of the present amount of CPU usage, or the % of the total available CPU. Especially as the System Idle Process reports 100% CPU use when the graph is showing less than 2% total CPU resources in use. After a while I decided that for jqs.exe and anvir.exe, it was reporting total CPU resource usage, rather than a % of whatever was the present CPU usage. jqs is listed as a Java Quick Starter Service skype you'll know about and I imagine AnVir, as well. After an uninstall and reinstall, skype seemed to 'come right.' But the other two still seem to hog 100% CPU, between them. Setting priority to Idle: 4 didn't seem to help. Suspending them both drops total CPU use to below 2%. I'm a bit confuddled by all this. Anyone got any pearls of wisdom? (For reason explained before, switch to Linux is not a valid one, OK!) Perry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20090815/13e03bc0/attachment.htm From agarnott at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 14:11:18 2009 From: agarnott at gmail.com (gordon arnott) Date: Sun Aug 16 14:11:34 2009 Subject: [hblug] CPU Hogging In-Reply-To: <514603.28354.qm@rel106.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <514603.28354.qm@rel106.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <910c73490908151911k327cdeei5b156214ad1fdaa4@mail.gmail.com> PerryTry a registry clean On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Perry Spiller wrote: > > Some time back, I had a real problem with resources being > hogged by something unknown. A list member > recommended Process Explorer, a very handy utility which > enabled me to pin-point the problem (tucked away in a > svchost instance) and remove it. > > More recently, likely immediately after a Skype upgrade, > my PC slowed to a crawl. E.g. five seconds after a key press, > before the letter appeared on the screen! After a re-boot or > two, back to Process Explorer, I went. > > 100% CPU use between skype, jqs.exe and anvir.exe. At > first, I wasn't sure if the % figure per program meant the % > of the present amount of CPU usage, or the % of the total > available CPU. Especially as the System Idle Process reports > 100% CPU use when the graph is showing less than 2% total > CPU resources in use. After a while I decided that for jqs.exe > and anvir.exe, it was reporting total CPU resource usage, > rather than a % of whatever was the present CPU usage. > > jqs is listed as a Java Quick Starter Service > skype you'll know about and I imagine > AnVir, as well. > > After an uninstall and reinstall, skype seemed to 'come > right.' But the other two still seem to hog 100% CPU, > between them. Setting priority to Idle: 4 didn't seem to help. > Suspending them both drops total CPU use to below 2%. > > I'm a bit confuddled by all this. Anyone got any pearls of > wisdom? (For reason explained before, switch to Linux is > not a valid one, OK!) > > Perry > > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20090816/82a80755/attachment.htm From kirjava at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 21:53:47 2009 From: kirjava at gmail.com (Rene Bartosh) Date: Wed Aug 19 22:27:08 2009 Subject: [hblug] Microsoft Infringe Patent with Word Message-ID: Just a heads up as I know some folks here follow the whole word processing fiasco. As usual google will give you more background I am sure. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10591834 Rene -- >From Rene Bartosh (Gmail account) Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/ Work: http://eksion.net/ From racepics at paradise.net.nz Thu Aug 20 08:14:36 2009 From: racepics at paradise.net.nz (chris morris) Date: Thu Aug 20 08:15:04 2009 Subject: [hblug] Microsoft Infringe Patent with Word In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8C5D2C.9020302@paradise.net.nz> Rene Bartosh wrote: > Just a heads up as I know some folks here follow the whole word > processing fiasco. As usual google will give you more background I am > sure. > > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10591834 > > Rene > > OpenOffice now need to seize this opportunity and push their product :) -- Chris From kirjava at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 10:57:03 2009 From: kirjava at gmail.com (Rene Bartosh) Date: Sun Aug 23 10:57:13 2009 Subject: [hblug] Auckland School Embraces Open Source - NZ Herald Message-ID: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10592238 -- >From Rene Bartosh (Gmail account) Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/ Work: http://eksion.net/ From p.spiller at xtra.co.nz Sun Aug 23 11:11:52 2009 From: p.spiller at xtra.co.nz (Perry Spiller) Date: Sun Aug 23 11:12:28 2009 Subject: [hblug] Auckland School Embraces Open Source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <392764.92291.qm@rel104.mail.aue.yahoo.com> ----------------Earlier, you commented-------------------- >http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10592238 Nice article. Nice tea cosy on display, too. I wonder what sort or counter-attack might come from the dark side? When NZ Hospitals mooted the same idea, it never happened. What sort of $ incentive did the windoze crowd offer, I wonder? Or did all the Health Board IT people throw their hands up in horror, predicting the worst? Anyone know? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20090823/a096e6ba/attachment.htm From kirjava at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 18:16:58 2009 From: kirjava at gmail.com (Rene Bartosh) Date: Tue Aug 25 18:17:08 2009 Subject: [hblug] SCO rears it's ugly head again (NZ Herald) Message-ID: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10593094 -- >From Rene Bartosh (Gmail account) Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/ Work: http://eksion.net/ From p.spiller at xtra.co.nz Tue Aug 25 18:56:13 2009 From: p.spiller at xtra.co.nz (Perry Spiller) Date: Tue Aug 25 18:56:19 2009 Subject: [hblug] Laptop DDR RAM Wanted + Laptop Specs Q In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <249615.51663.qm@rel105.mail.aue.yahoo.com> I'm looking to beef up the RAM in the ACER laptop that my lady uses mainly for work. It runs XP with 2 x 256 RAM sticks in the sockets. As I use it when away from home, I find that 512 is a bit limiting when working with graphics files. Replacing 1 x 256 with a 512 stick, or better yet, re- placing both 256 sticks with 512 seems like a good start. CPUZ reports the RAM as DDR PC 2700 166Hz ( have a serial number, if that helps.) Daniel Would the RAM sticks in that HP of mine that you still have, do the job? I recall they're Kingston, and perhaps both 512? General Laptop Specs Question My daughter's having a vocational change. One in which a laptop with graphics grunt is almost essential. Lots of pic files to scroll through, as I understand it. What does she need to look for in laptop specs, that makes graphics crunching fast and easy? Is it as simple as lots of RAM? Is there a laptop equivalent of a graphics accelerator card with on-board RAM? Where has lap- top technology got us to with such stuff, nowadays? Perry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20090825/37c8d503/attachment.htm From kirjava at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 21:58:15 2009 From: kirjava at gmail.com (Rene Bartosh) Date: Tue Aug 25 21:58:33 2009 Subject: [hblug] Laptop DDR RAM Wanted + Laptop Specs Q In-Reply-To: <249615.51663.qm@rel105.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <249615.51663.qm@rel105.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 2009/8/25 Perry Spiller : > > I'm looking to beef up the RAM in the ACER laptop > that my lady uses mainly for work. It runs XP with > 2 x 256 RAM sticks in the sockets. As I use it when > away from home, I find that 512 is a bit limiting when > working with graphics files. > > Replacing 1 x 256 with a 512 stick, or better yet, re- > placing both 256 sticks with 512 seems like a good > start. 512mb sticks of laptop DDR ram cost about $35+shipping new. Doubt they will be much cheaper second hand. > CPUZ reports the RAM as DDR PC 2700 166Hz > ( have a serial number, if that helps.) > > Daniel > > Would the RAM sticks in that HP of mine that you > still have, do the job? I recall they're Kingston, and > perhaps both 512? > > > General Laptop Specs Question > My daughter's having a vocational change. One in > which a laptop with graphics grunt is almost essential. > Lots of pic files to scroll through, as I understand it. > > What does she need to look for in laptop specs, that > makes graphics crunching fast and easy? Is it as simple > as lots of RAM? Is there a laptop equivalent of a graphics > accelerator card with on-board RAM? Where has lap- > top technology got us to with such stuff, nowadays? Certainly something with RAM, but it is usually cheaper to upgrade this yourself than buy something new with oodles of ram. 2gb minimum if it's vista, 4gb advisable. As for graphics, most lower end laptops appear to have intel graphics, but some of the slightly more fancy ones have fairly decent ATI or nVidia chipsets. They are comparable to desktop graphics cards, with the only caveat that it is not generally possible to upgrade them. Unless she is doing some heavy 3D stuff, anything will cut the mustard if it's a new laptop. Rene > Perry > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > > -- >From Rene Bartosh (Gmail account) Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/ Work: http://eksion.net/ From p.spiller at xtra.co.nz Wed Aug 26 14:51:48 2009 From: p.spiller at xtra.co.nz (Perry Spiller) Date: Wed Aug 26 19:56:13 2009 Subject: [hblug] Laptop's Progress Message-ID: <173834.19021.qm@rel106.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Before I could reply to Rene and ask which ones to avoid, besides Compaq/HP & Dell, my daughter says this: >Sony VAIO NW Series VGNNW15GS Notebook, Core 2 Duo T6500 1.83 GHz, >4GB RAM, 250GB HDD, 15.4" TFT, DVD writer, WLAN, Firewire, >Bluetooth, Win Vista Home Premium, HDMI ><- no idea what half this means but oh well ;) Any comments? Do some vendors still offer OEM XP CD/DVDs to replace Vista with? Or is that 2nd hand only? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20090826/9d9c79f7/attachment.htm From webmaster at t94xr.net.nz Wed Aug 26 23:30:43 2009 From: webmaster at t94xr.net.nz (t94xr) Date: Wed Aug 26 23:31:34 2009 Subject: [hblug] Laptop's Progress In-Reply-To: <173834.19021.qm@rel106.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <173834.19021.qm@rel106.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A951CE3.2030709@t94xr.net.nz> Perry Spiller wrote: > Before I could reply to Rene and > ask which ones to avoid, besides > Compaq/HP & Dell, my daughter > says this: > >> Sony VAIO NW Series VGNNW15GS Notebook, Core 2 Duo T6500 1.83 GHz, >> 4GB RAM, 250GB HDD, 15.4" TFT, DVD writer, WLAN, Firewire, Bluetooth, >> Win Vista Home Premium, HDMI >> <- no idea what half this means but oh well ;) > > Any comments? > > Do some vendors still offer OEM > XP CD/DVDs to replace Vista > with? Or is that 2nd hand only? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > personally im going to purchase this in very very very near future! http://ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=380225 Also some of the HP DV5 series are of pretty good spec, just avoid the Athlon Dual Cores advertised no 64bit if you notice! I find the DV5 series to be built like a tank If she really wants a laptop, wait a month or two - Win7 is due to be released soon and all the Vista laptops are bound to drop like rocks price wise. Also apparently theres a rumor that if you hand in your Vista licence, you can get half off Windows 7 - not sure if that counts for OEM sales of Vista http://ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=379490 Its a good spec for a sony, and damn what a price! hope this helps :) t94xr www.t94xr.net.nz/home From racepics at paradise.net.nz Thu Aug 27 09:57:24 2009 From: racepics at paradise.net.nz (chris morris) Date: Thu Aug 27 09:57:15 2009 Subject: [hblug] MS clobbering Vs Linux promotion Message-ID: <4A95AFC4.6030508@paradise.net.nz> www.windows7sins.org It amazes me that FSF doesn't get sued off the planet for doing things like this lol Not that I mind, and dont get me wrong I'm not sticking up for MS at all and I agree with a lot of the FSF ideals.. Just my opinion, but it seems to me energy and dollars might be better spent promoting FOSS rather than bagging the other stuff. I've had several clients of late who for one reason or other didn't own/receive a windows CD with their computers, At reinstall time, they had a choice, spend more money for a windows OS disk or use something else. "What else is there?" is the most common question... The general public have 'generally' never heard of linux, they dont it exists. They dont know there IS an alternative.... chris From stormcloud51090 at gmail.com Thu Aug 27 10:40:33 2009 From: stormcloud51090 at gmail.com (Haydn) Date: Thu Aug 27 10:40:54 2009 Subject: [hblug] MS clobbering Vs Linux promotion In-Reply-To: <4A95AFC4.6030508@paradise.net.nz> References: <4A95AFC4.6030508@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <4A95B9E1.1080000@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No. They were moved files. (The wisdom of hindsight!) (T'was a 500Gb HDD) Supposedly, the drop has buggered the bearings. Quotes for data recovery attempts are circa $NZ1500. He's abandoned the idea, as he's a sickness beneficiary and that's so far out of his price league. Is it really likely to be that bad? Or are there other options available? Anyone got any clues? Perry From kirjava at gmail.com Mon Aug 31 21:38:04 2009 From: kirjava at gmail.com (Rene Bartosh) Date: Mon Aug 31 21:38:20 2009 Subject: [hblug] HBLUG Meeting Reminder: Wed 2nd September 2009 Message-ID: What: Hawkes Bay LUG Meeting When: Wed 2nd September 2009 from 7pm till around 10pm Where: Fine Furniture/Taradale Upholstery 169 Gloucester St, Taradale (rear building) Map: http://maps.google.com/?q=169%20Gloucester%20St%2C%20Taradale%2C%20Hawkes%20Bay%204112%2C%20New%20Zealand Please feel free to come along and meet us, talk about Linux, install Linux, debug problems etc. If you want to bring a computer, please bring some extension cables, a 4 way board etc. and a patch cable (if you want internet/network). Extra switches and cat5 are always a bonus. We have monitors and keyboards/rodents spare, as well as jug cords. If you have any queries, please feel free to reply to this message. Thanks to Fine Furniture for providing venue/internet. -- >From Rene Bartosh (Gmail account) Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/ Work: http://eksion.net/