From p.spiller at xtra.co.nz Wed Apr 1 14:00:34 2009 From: p.spiller at xtra.co.nz (Perry Spiller) Date: Wed Apr 1 13:00:53 2009 Subject: [hblug] Aardvark Thread on Ubuntu Message-ID: Some of you might enjoy reading through this thread. http://aardvarkforums.co.nz/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2540 That thread stems from Bruce's daily comment, to be found here: http://www.aardvark.co.nz/daily/2009/0331.shtml From p.spiller at xtra.co.nz Wed Apr 1 14:01:50 2009 From: p.spiller at xtra.co.nz (Perry Spiller) Date: Wed Apr 1 13:02:05 2009 Subject: [hblug] Meeting Reminder: Wed 1st April 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ----------------Earlier, you commented-------------------- >Meeting Reminder: Wed 1st April 2009 Is there anything spooky about this meeting being on April Fool's Day? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20090401/0ec0d418/attachment.htm From kirjava at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 14:38:35 2009 From: kirjava at gmail.com (Rene Bartosh) Date: Wed Apr 1 14:38:43 2009 Subject: [hblug] Meeting Reminder: Wed 1st April 2009 In-Reply-To: <49d2bd13.120bca0a.30b1.1563SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <49d2bd13.120bca0a.30b1.1563SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Nope. To be honest I haven't seen any good jokes today. Does it count if you come across a product, service or industry sector which is a joke in it's own right on any given day of the year? :) Rene 2009/4/1 Perry Spiller : > ----------------Earlier, you commented-------------------- > > Meeting Reminder: Wed 1st April 2009 > > Is there anything spooky about this > meeting being on April Fool's Day? > > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > > -- >From Rene Bartosh (Gmail account) Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/ Work: http://eksion.net/ From p.spiller at xtra.co.nz Wed Apr 1 15:43:18 2009 From: p.spiller at xtra.co.nz (Perry Spiller) Date: Wed Apr 1 14:43:53 2009 Subject: [hblug] Meeting Reminder: April Fools Day In-Reply-To: References: <49d2bd13.120bca0a.30b1.1563SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Well, Telecon NZ domestic line charges go up today. Mush* W'gton woodenhead legislation has an April Fool's Day effective start date. What else could there be? Perry * much ----------------Earlier, Rene commented-------------------- >Nope. To be honest I haven't seen any good jokes today. Does it count >if you come across a product, service or industry sector which is a >joke in it's own right on any given day of the year? :) > >2009/4/1 Perry Spiller : > > ----------------Earlier, you commented-------------------- > > > > Meeting Reminder: Wed 1st April 2009 > > > > Is there anything spooky about this > > meeting being on April Fool's Day? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't believe it is an especially appropriate topic here. -- Michael All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well - Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416 From p.spiller at xtra.co.nz Thu Apr 2 00:14:40 2009 From: p.spiller at xtra.co.nz (Perry Spiller) Date: Wed Apr 1 23:14:52 2009 Subject: [hblug] DDR2 1GB RAM Stick Sought Message-ID: DDR2 1G RAM PC2-5300 (333MHz) Anyone got a (single) stick for sale? Seems to be quite about around, but mostly 667MHz. Would that be a problem? (Thanks to Rene for the look-up utility) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/perrynz/Miscellaneous/CPU-ZPic1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/perrynz/Miscellaneous/CPU-ZPic2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/perrynz/Miscellaneous/CPU-ZPic3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/perrynz/Miscellaneous/CPU-ZPic4.jpg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20090402/e0b20412/attachment.htm From linux_mike at paradise.net.nz Fri Apr 3 02:16:50 2009 From: linux_mike at paradise.net.nz (Michael Adams) Date: Fri Apr 3 02:16:27 2009 Subject: [hblug] DDR2 1GB RAM Stick Sought In-Reply-To: <49D3D19D.9080509@gmail.com> References: <49d34cb7.140bca0a.13df.7154SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <49D3D19D.9080509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090403021650.0a4e4233.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:42:05 +1300 Came this utterance formulated by Haydn to my mailbox: > Perry Spiller wrote: DDR2 1G RAM PC2-5300 (333MHz) >> Anyone got a (single) stick for sale? >> Seems to be quite about around, but mostly 667MHz. Would that be a >> problem? [snip] > It won't matter if you pick up 667MHz, it's all compatible it just > won't run at full speed (ie. don't pay extra for it). More detail can > be found under the Backward Compatibility section of > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ddr2 One thing i'd add is leave the slower stick in slot0. -- Michael All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well - Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416 From p.spiller at xtra.co.nz Fri Apr 3 18:10:22 2009 From: p.spiller at xtra.co.nz (Perry Spiller) Date: Fri Apr 3 17:10:40 2009 Subject: [hblug] DDR2 1GB RAM Stick Sought In-Reply-To: <20090403021650.0a4e4233.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> References: <49d34cb7.140bca0a.13df.7154SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <49D3D19D.9080509@gmail.com> <20090403021650.0a4e4233.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: The people at ram upgrades said the 333 is per side. I.e. the stick itself is rated @ 667, when both sides are counted? Perry ----------------Earlier, you commented-------------------- >On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:42:05 +1300 >Came this utterance formulated by Haydn to my mailbox: > > > Perry Spiller wrote: DDR2 1G RAM PC2-5300 (333MHz) > > >> Anyone got a (single) stick for sale? > > >> Seems to be quite about around, but mostly 667MHz. Would that be a > >> problem? > > It won't matter if you pick up 667MHz, it's all compatible it just > > won't run at full speed (ie. don't pay extra for it). More detail can > > be found under the Backward Compatibility section of > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ddr2 > >One thing i'd add is leave the slower stick in slot0. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20090403/ac7b81f8/attachment.htm From linux_mike at paradise.net.nz Fri Apr 3 20:20:08 2009 From: linux_mike at paradise.net.nz (Michael Adams) Date: Fri Apr 3 20:18:06 2009 Subject: [hblug] DDR2 1GB RAM Stick Sought In-Reply-To: <78dufl$k7kgs7@mxin1-orange.clear.net.nz> References: <49d34cb7.140bca0a.13df.7154SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <49D3D19D.9080509@gmail.com> <20090403021650.0a4e4233.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> <78dufl$k7kgs7@mxin1-orange.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <20090403202008.688eb01a.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:10:22 +1200 Came this utterance formulated by Perry Spiller to my mailbox: > > The people at ram upgrades said the 333 is per side. > I.e. the stick itself is rated @ 667, when both sides > are counted? > Ah - ok? Sounds a little like doublespeak, or Orwellian Newspeak to me. The stick is rated at 333 or 667, not both. How the stick actually works is another story, thats what the DDR2 means. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR2_SDRAM > > ----------------Earlier, you commented-------------------- > >On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:42:05 +1300 > >Came this utterance formulated by Haydn to my mailbox: > > > > > Perry Spiller wrote: DDR2 1G RAM PC2-5300 (333MHz) > > > > >> Anyone got a (single) stick for sale? > > > > >> Seems to be quite about around, but mostly 667MHz. Would that be > > >a> problem? > > > > It won't matter if you pick up 667MHz, it's all compatible it just > > > won't run at full speed (ie. don't pay extra for it). More detail > > > can be found under the Backward Compatibility section of > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ddr2 > > > >One thing i'd add is leave the slower stick in slot0. > -- Michael All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well - Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416 From stormcloud51090 at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 23:34:21 2009 From: stormcloud51090 at gmail.com (Haydn) Date: Fri Apr 3 23:35:00 2009 Subject: [hblug] DDR2 1GB RAM Stick Sought In-Reply-To: <20090403202008.688eb01a.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> References: <49d34cb7.140bca0a.13df.7154SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <49D3D19D.9080509@gmail.com> <20090403021650.0a4e4233.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> <78dufl$k7kgs7@mxin1-orange.clear.net.nz> <20090403202008.688eb01a.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <49D5F43D.802@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20090404/b645f3ad/attachment.htm From p.spiller at xtra.co.nz Sat Apr 4 09:32:48 2009 From: p.spiller at xtra.co.nz (Perry Spiller) Date: Sat Apr 4 08:40:16 2009 Subject: [hblug] DDR2 1GB RAM Stick Sought In-Reply-To: <49D5F43D.802@gmail.com> References: <49d34cb7.140bca0a.13df.7154SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <49D3D19D.9080509@gmail.com> <20090403021650.0a4e4233.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> <78dufl$k7kgs7@mxin1-orange.clear.net.nz> <20090403202008.688eb01a.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> <49D5F43D.802@gmail.com> Message-ID: I read through the article, too. I'd guess that the comment about 333 per side was just an attempt to KISS. ----------------Earlier, Haydn commented-------------------- >As the wiki article shows, if it is truly to be PC-5300 then, yes it >will be 667, seeing as the PC-#### number is just the data >transfers/s (in millions) x 8 and rounded (or thereabouts). >I suspect the 333 relates instead to the I/O Clock frequency >333 each side sounds like rubbish though, made up by someone in a >desperate attempt to sound computer literate... It failed cos he >didnt use enough big words obviously >I think the real reason is in the overview... something about double >pumping and differing clock rates > >Michael Adams wrote: >> >>On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:10:22 +1200 >>Came this utterance formulated by Perry Spiller to my mailbox: >> >> >>> >>>The people at ram upgrades said the 333 is per side. >>>I.e. the stick itself is rated @ 667, when both sides >>>are counted? >>> >>> >> >> >>Ah - ok? Sounds a little like doublespeak, or Orwellian Newspeak to me. >>The stick is rated at 333 or 667, not both. How the stick actually works >>is another story, thats what the DDR2 means. >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR2_SDRAM >> >> >>> >>>----------------Earlier, you commented-------------------- >>> >>>> >>>>On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:42:05 +1300 >>>>Came this utterance formulated by Haydn to my mailbox: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Perry Spiller wrote: DDR2 1G RAM PC2-5300 (333MHz) >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Anyone got a (single) stick for sale? >>>>>> >>>>>>Seems to be quite about around, but mostly 667MHz. Would that be >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>a> problem? >>>>> >>>> >>>> It won't matter if you pick up 667MHz, it's all compatible it just >>>> >>>>> >>>>>won't run at full speed (ie. don't pay extra for it). More detail >>>>>can be found under the Backward Compatibility section of >>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ddr2 >>>>> >>>> >>>>One thing i'd add is leave the slower stick in slot0. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20090404/1726fc17/attachment.htm From maggoty.haggis at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 14:56:14 2009 From: maggoty.haggis at gmail.com (E Drummond) Date: Sat Apr 4 14:56:22 2009 Subject: [hblug] Anyone have a 16-bit PCMCIA network card? Message-ID: Hi, I have managed to aquire an old 120mhz pentium laptop with 48mb of ram. Im going to see how much performance I can get out of it using Linux. Unfortunately its too old to have onboard network, and only has 16-bit PCMCIA slots. So, does anyone have a 16-bit PCMCIA network card that thay'd be willing to sell me? Cheers, Erin From p.spiller at xtra.co.nz Fri Apr 17 19:50:53 2009 From: p.spiller at xtra.co.nz (Perry Spiller) Date: Fri Apr 17 22:59:00 2009 Subject: [hblug] 400GB HDD Special? Message-ID: http://www.acquire.co.nz/acquire/default.asp?PageID=ProductDetail&pf_id=1619450 Any use to anyone? Is it good value? From p.spiller at xtra.co.nz Mon Apr 27 08:49:58 2009 From: p.spiller at xtra.co.nz (Perry Spiller) Date: Mon Apr 27 08:53:30 2009 Subject: [hblug] Backwards Compatibility (Windoze OS) Message-ID: Backwards Compatibility (Windoze OS) Anyone got some clues about hardware issues for replacing, say, Vista with XP, or XP with W2k, or even jumping from Vista back as far as W2k? Would there be different potential problems with laptops vs desktops? A neighbour has a ComCrap laptop, (probably from DSE or Leemings), which runs like a dog in quicksand. From memory, the half a gig RAM is likely the biggest problem. The other crap that starts at boot-up, (Norton etc.,) is not helping. If she agrees, I'll do what I can to strip out a lot of the start-up items, that are hogging resources. If I fail, I might bring it to the next meeting. However, the going back from Vista question still seems worth thinking about. Would it work? I have a genuine XP CD, here, that I could bring along. Perry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/hblug/attachments/20090427/c14fb071/attachment.htm From maggoty.haggis at gmail.com Mon Apr 27 09:10:34 2009 From: maggoty.haggis at gmail.com (E Drummond) Date: Mon Apr 27 09:14:02 2009 Subject: [hblug] Backwards Compatibility (Windoze OS) In-Reply-To: <49f4c9cf.180bca0a.25c1.fffff008SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <49f4c9cf.180bca0a.25c1.fffff008SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Some laptops revert to XP fine (like my one) However, some of the new laptops have "vista-only" chipsets (like my friends one, we spent 3 days looking for XP drivers before finally giving up) Since your laptop sounds like an old compaq one, it should be able to run XP. Figure out what all the hardware is and check for XP drivers beforehand. Linux seems to work well with "vista-only" chipsets too, as well as pretty much anything else. Erin On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Perry Spiller wrote: > Backwards Compatibility (Windoze OS) > > Anyone got some clues about hardware issues for replacing, say, > Vista with XP, or XP with W2k, or even jumping from Vista back > as far as W2k? > > Would there be different potential problems with laptops vs desktops? > > A neighbour has a ComCrap laptop, (probably from DSE or Leemings), > which runs like a dog in quicksand. From memory, the half a gig RAM is > likely the biggest problem. The other crap that starts at boot-up, (Norton > etc.,) is not helping. > > If she agrees, I'll do what I can to strip out a lot of the start-up items, > that are hogging resources. If I fail, I might bring it to the next meeting. > However, the going back from Vista question still seems worth thinking > about. > > Would it work? I have a genuine XP CD, here, that I could bring along. > > Perry > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > > From racepics at paradise.net.nz Mon Apr 27 09:21:50 2009 From: racepics at paradise.net.nz (chris morris) Date: Mon Apr 27 09:25:05 2009 Subject: [hblug] Backwards Compatibility (Windoze OS) In-Reply-To: <78gekn$kg90v3@mxin3-orange.clear.net.nz> References: <78gekn$kg90v3@mxin3-orange.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <49F4D06E.10107@paradise.net.nz> Look up the model number on the manufacturers website for xp drivers. If the drivers are available, going back to xp is easy. I've had quite a few clients ask me to take lappys from vista back to xp. chris Perry Spiller wrote: > *Backwards Compatibility (Windoze OS) > * > Anyone got some clues about hardware issues for replacing, say, > Vista with XP, or XP with W2k, or even jumping from Vista back > as far as W2k? > > Would there be different potential problems with laptops vs desktops? > > A neighbour has a ComCrap laptop, (probably from DSE or Leemings), > which runs like a dog in quicksand. From memory, the half a gig RAM is > likely the biggest problem. The other crap that starts at boot-up, (Norton > etc.,) is not helping. > > If she agrees, I'll do what I can to strip out a lot of the start-up > items, > that are hogging resources. If I fail, I might bring it to the next > meeting. > However, the going back from Vista question still seems worth thinking > about. > > Would it work? I have a genuine XP CD, here, that I could bring along. > > Perry > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > HBLUG mailing list > HBLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hblug > - From rmcgillicuddy at orcon.net.nz Mon Apr 27 18:10:19 2009 From: rmcgillicuddy at orcon.net.nz (Rose McGillicuddy) Date: Mon Apr 27 18:10:30 2009 Subject: [hblug] Backwards Compatibility (Windoze OS) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F54C4B.5000707@orcon.net.nz> Perry Spiller wrote: > *Backwards Compatibility (Windoze OS) > * > Anyone got some clues about hardware issues for replacing, say, > Vista with XP, or XP with W2k, or even jumping from Vista back > as far as W2k? > > Would there be different potential problems with laptops vs desktops? Maybe run a live Linux CD e.g. knoppix to determine hardware? Cheers Rose -- Registered Linux User No: 386597 http://counter.li.org "The most beautiful thing in life we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true science." Einstein From linux_mike at paradise.net.nz Mon Apr 27 19:25:15 2009 From: linux_mike at paradise.net.nz (Michael Adams) Date: Mon Apr 27 19:23:25 2009 Subject: [hblug] Backwards Compatibility (Windoze OS) In-Reply-To: <7d8uc3$363mjm@mxin2-orange.clear.net.nz> References: <7d8uc3$363mjm@mxin2-orange.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <20090427192515.6043ba51.linux_mike@paradise.net.nz> On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:49:58 +1200 Came this utterance formulated by Perry Spiller to my mailbox: > Backwards Compatibility (Windoze OS) > > Anyone got some clues about hardware issues for replacing, say, > Vista with XP, or XP with W2k, or even jumping from Vista back > as far as W2k? > > Would there be different potential problems with laptops vs desktops? > > A neighbour has a ComCrap laptop, (probably from DSE or Leemings), > which runs like a dog in quicksand. From memory, the half a gig RAM is > likely the biggest problem. The other crap that starts at boot-up, > (Norton etc.,) is not helping. Go back to Noel Leeming or DSE. Many laptops are still available with an XP OEM option (last i asked). You may be in luck if it is a recent purchase. -- Michael All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well - Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416 From kirjava at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 15:41:21 2009 From: kirjava at gmail.com (Rene Bartosh) Date: Wed Apr 29 15:41:30 2009 Subject: [hblug] Meeting Reminder: Wed 6th May 2009 Message-ID: What: Hawkes Bay LUG Meeting When: Wed 6th May 2009 from 7pm till around 10pm Where: Fine Furniture/Taradale Upholstery 169 Gloucester St, Taradale (rear building) Map: http://maps.google.com/?q=169%20Gloucester%20St%2C%20Taradale%2C%20Hawkes%20Bay%204112%2C%20New%20Zealand Things I have to show off this month: Linksys wireless router running the "tomato" firmware. Possibly some VoIP stuff if anyone is interested - still a work in progress. Please feel free to come along and meet us, talk about Linux, install Linux, debug problems etc. If you want to bring a computer, please bring some extension cables, a 4 way board etc. and a patch cable (if you want internet/network). Extra switches and cat5 are always a bonus. We have monitors and keyboards/rodents spare, as well as jug cords. If you have any queries, please feel free to reply to this message. Thanks to Fine Furniture for providing venue/internet. -- >From Rene Bartosh (Gmail account) Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/ Work: http://eksion.net/