From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Fri Jan 1 08:45:15 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Fri Jan 1 08:45:46 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Folder access problems In-Reply-To: References: <4B3C6E55.9720.303D6D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz>, <4B3C8D20.9998.A88636@admin.ncearevision.co.nz>, Message-ID: <4B3DB61B.3460.129F17@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> When using Mint on the desktop computer, I can now access my home directory and the FAT32 and NTFS drives from the Windows laptop. When doing so I can make changes in the home directory but not in the FAT32 and NTFS drives, in spite of having set the sharing options in Mint to enable that to be done. I need to deal with this problem and get VMware to work in Mint before using Mint routinely natively on the desktop computer. Until then, I am stuck with Windows. I haven't set domain names on either computer. Don > On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Don Johnston wrote: > > I managed to set the password but my attempts to make smbpasswd read > > only were unsuccessful. The results were as follows: > > > > C2 / # sudo smbpasswd -a don > > New SMB password: > > Retype new SMB password: > > Added user don. > > C2 / # [root@server2 samba]# chmod 644 smbpasswd > > [root@server2: command not found > > C2 / # sudo chmod 644 smbpasswd > > chmod: cannot access `smbpasswd': No such file or directory > > > > Don Johnston > > I don't think you should need to change the permissions on smbpasswd > (it'll be in /etc/samba by the way). Have you tried connecting? The > other thing to check is to make sure that your domain names match. > They don't have to but it's a little easier if they do. I can't quite > remember how to check your domain name on your windows computer but in > linux it'll be in /etc/samba/smb.conf > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jan 5 08:04:54 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Jan 5 08:12:05 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Folder access problems In-Reply-To: <4B3C6E55.9720.303D6D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B3C6E55.9720.303D6D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: <785900.97981.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Permissions again; sometimes I find it pretty touch&go myself Either (recursively) change the ownership of the NTFS/FAT files & dirs, or mount the partition with rw rights. - J From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jan 5 08:02:08 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Jan 5 08:29:18 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Can't keep display settings In-Reply-To: <4B3BB898.30494.189F77@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B3BB898.30494.189F77@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: <102884.87023.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Run the config tool as sudo, or chmod /etc/X11/xorg.conf +rw It's a permissions thing - J From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 11:16:54 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Jan 8 11:17:32 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Can't keep display settings In-Reply-To: <102884.87023.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4B3BB898.30494.189F77@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <102884.87023.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Run the config tool as sudo, or chmod /etc/X11/xorg.conf +rw > It's a permissions thing > > - J Helped Don out the other day. Yep, definitely a persmissions thing. Changing the permissions of /etc/X11/xorg.conf (and the back up file) helped little as the tool changed everything back so it was only good once. The only reliable way of doing this was running the tool with gksudo. Something along the lines of "gksudo nvidia-settings". Best way to deal with this would probably be to change the short cut. Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 11:22:01 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Jan 8 11:22:29 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] VMware configuration problem In-Reply-To: <4B3C8484.12168.86E4C6@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B3C7E76.11623.6F3CAF@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <4B3C8484.12168.86E4C6@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Don Johnston wrote: > Here is the last part of what appeared on the screen apart from > documentation links which didn't help me: > > In file included from /tmp/vmware-config2/vmmon- > only/linux/vmhost.h:13, > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? from /tmp/vmware-config2/vmmon- > only/linux/driver.c:71: > /tmp/vmware-config2/vmmon-only/./include/compat_semaphore.h:5:27: > error: asm/semaphore.h: No such file or directory > /tmp/vmware-config2/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:146: error: unknown > field `nopage? specified in initializer > /tmp/vmware-config2/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:147: warning: > initialization from incompatible pointer type > /tmp/vmware-config2/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:150: error: unknown > field `nopage? specified in initializer > /tmp/vmware-config2/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:151: warning: > initialization from incompatible pointer type > /tmp/vmware-config2/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c: In function > `LinuxDriver_Ioctl?: > /tmp/vmware-config2/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:1650: error: `struct > task_struct? has no member named `euid? > /tmp/vmware-config2/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:1650: error: `struct > task_struct? has no member named `uid? > /tmp/vmware-config2/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:1651: error: `struct > task_struct? has no member named `fsuid? > /tmp/vmware-config2/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:1651: error: `struct > task_struct? has no member named `uid? > /tmp/vmware-config2/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:1652: error: `struct > task_struct? has no member named `egid? > /tmp/vmware-config2/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:1652: error: `struct > task_struct? has no member named `gid? > /tmp/vmware-config2/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:1653: error: `struct > task_struct? has no member named `fsgid? > /tmp/vmware-config2/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:1653: error: `struct > task_struct? has no member named `gid? > /tmp/vmware-config2/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:1670: error: too many > arguments to function `smp_call_function? > make[2]: *** [/tmp/vmware-config2/vmmon-only/linux/driver.o] Error 1 > make[1]: *** [_module_/tmp/vmware-config2/vmmon-only] Error 2 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.31-14-generic' > make: *** [vmmon.ko] Error 2 > make: Leaving directory `/tmp/vmware-config2/vmmon-only' > Unable to build the vmmon module. > > Execution aborted. > > Don Johnston This was an "interesting" case. I remember a few years ago when you wanted to use vmware you to have the "any-any" patch. Things have changed somewhat. Instead, there's now the "specific-specific" patch. And the process is ugly. Basically, download the patch and kernel source. Patch kernel source. Compile kernel. Install vmware. Use "specific-specific" patch to compile modules. Given this is the case, the time saved by using virtual machines and being able to snapshot etc. is completely negated with vmware by needing to patch and compile the kernel source everytime your kernel is updated. This doesn't appear to be the case with Ubuntu LTS. Instead I recommended that Don use KVM/QEMU as this would be updated automatically with his system updates without needing any manual intervention. Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 11:27:15 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Jan 8 11:36:03 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Folder access problems In-Reply-To: <785900.97981.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4B3C6E55.9720.303D6D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <785900.97981.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Permissions again; sometimes I find it pretty touch&go myself > > Either (recursively) change the ownership of the NTFS/FAT files & dirs, or mount the partition with rw rights. > > > - J Couldn't find any real issues when I looked at this one. Concluding that Don's just been holding his tongue the wrong way ;p On the other hand, there was some issue with name resolution. I only noticed it a couple of hours later as I always use IP addresses on my home network and thus had accessed the shares using IP addresses. Anyone know how to fix this? This also effected synergy. Was able to check it was a name resolution issue by specifying the ip address on the client side. Regards, Nevyn. From gordonisnz at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 14:48:06 2010 From: gordonisnz at gmail.com (Gordon Stewart) Date: Fri Jan 8 14:48:58 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Panel & task bar ? Message-ID: <9a3273a01001071748k62925d19u22e55011acba61c4@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Lately on Ubuntu, I can press the control-tab key, to switch between my screens. But I used to have a bar at the bottom of my screen showing the tabs / screens I have open. but this bar has dissapeared & I have to use control-tab to switch screens. (or even know what i have open / active. Q. s there a way to restore this 'task bar' ? -- G Freecycle Auckland :- http://www.freecycle.org/ From gordonisnz at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 14:52:27 2010 From: gordonisnz at gmail.com (Gordon Stewart) Date: Fri Jan 8 14:53:18 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Belarc adviser for Linux ? Message-ID: <9a3273a01001071752s1f04a6ddk3811a55bf7d42488@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I use "belarc adviser" on winXp - to get a LOT of information about my PC in one go... I understand that it is available in Linux, but went to my package manager, & searched for "belarc" - No package found. Is it under a different name ??? - Basically i want to get information (not just bits & pieces), on my hardware, so I can buy a new hard drive -- G Freecycle Auckland :- http://www.freecycle.org/ From robin.paulson at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 15:42:53 2010 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Fri Jan 8 15:43:30 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Panel & task bar ? In-Reply-To: <9a3273a01001071748k62925d19u22e55011acba61c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a3273a01001071748k62925d19u22e55011acba61c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2771001071842g5059f20ex4549004c70db910f@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/8 Gordon Stewart : > Lately on Ubuntu, I can press the control-tab key, to switch between > my screens. But I used to have a bar at the bottom of my screen > showing the tabs / screens I have open. > > but this bar has dissapeared & I have to use control-tab to switch > screens. (or even know what i have open / active. > > Q. s there a way to restore this 'task bar' ? is there anything at all at the bottom of the screen? i.e. is the taskbar there and the 'switch desktops' device missing, or the entire taskbar missing? From robin.paulson at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 15:46:27 2010 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Fri Jan 8 15:46:56 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Belarc adviser for Linux ? In-Reply-To: <9a3273a01001071752s1f04a6ddk3811a55bf7d42488@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a3273a01001071752s1f04a6ddk3811a55bf7d42488@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2771001071846p67b644bal4de0557b930333d1@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/8 Gordon Stewart : > I use "belarc adviser" on winXp - to get a LOT of information about my > PC in one go... > > I understand that it is available in Linux, but went to my package > manager, & searched for "belarc" ?- No package found. > > Is it under a different name ??? > > - Basically i want to get information (not just bits & pieces), on my > hardware, so I can buy a new hard drive i've not heard of belarc, but what info will it offer that allows you to choose a hard drive? i assume if it is compliant with whatever conenction protocol, be it scsi, sata, pata or whatever, and your mobo is also compliant, then you're good to go. i.e. there is not a lot to choose between say most sata drives or do you have some unusual requirements? there are various tools for getting system info, which probably overlap with what belarc provides From gordonisnz at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 15:46:50 2010 From: gordonisnz at gmail.com (Gordon Stewart) Date: Fri Jan 8 15:47:42 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Panel & task bar ? In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2771001071842g5059f20ex4549004c70db910f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a3273a01001071748k62925d19u22e55011acba61c4@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2771001071842g5059f20ex4549004c70db910f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9a3273a01001071846oca5d198wd7fee9d567dc8076@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Robin Paulson wrote: > is there anything at all at the bottom of the screen? i.e. is the > taskbar there and the 'switch desktops' device missing, or the entire > taskbar missing? Its got a grey/white bar - but its empty - nothing in it / on it.... -- G Freecycle Auckland :- http://www.freecycle.org/ From robin.paulson at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 15:51:25 2010 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Fri Jan 8 15:51:54 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Panel & task bar ? In-Reply-To: <9a3273a01001071846oca5d198wd7fee9d567dc8076@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a3273a01001071748k62925d19u22e55011acba61c4@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2771001071842g5059f20ex4549004c70db910f@mail.gmail.com> <9a3273a01001071846oca5d198wd7fee9d567dc8076@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2771001071851l67e593aeq4002385977bc300f@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/8 Gordon Stewart : > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Robin Paulson wrote: > >> is there anything at all at the bottom of the screen? i.e. is the >> taskbar there and the 'switch desktops' device missing, or the entire >> taskbar missing? > > Its got a grey/white bar - but its empty - nothing in it / on it.... sounds like you've lost the widget for switching desktops. i think the control to put it back is in settings, preferences, desktop (or similar)? sorry, i'm on a windows machine at the moment.... From gordonisnz at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 16:01:03 2010 From: gordonisnz at gmail.com (Gordon Stewart) Date: Fri Jan 8 16:01:57 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Panel & task bar ? In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2771001071851l67e593aeq4002385977bc300f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a3273a01001071748k62925d19u22e55011acba61c4@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2771001071842g5059f20ex4549004c70db910f@mail.gmail.com> <9a3273a01001071846oca5d198wd7fee9d567dc8076@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2771001071851l67e593aeq4002385977bc300f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9a3273a01001071901y48298932kd541eeb278120c9d@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Robin Paulson wrote: > sounds like you've lost the widget for switching desktops. > > i think the control to put it back is in settings, preferences, > desktop (or similar)? > > sorry, i'm on a windows machine at the moment.... Found an item, & added it to the bar - you click on it & t lists the windows open... though Ive not found the one to add each one as a 'tab' - but the above will work as well :) -- G Freecycle Auckland :- http://www.freecycle.org/ From ru1812 at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 16:11:21 2010 From: ru1812 at gmail.com (Ru) Date: Fri Jan 8 16:11:53 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Panel & task bar ? In-Reply-To: <9a3273a01001071748k62925d19u22e55011acba61c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a3273a01001071748k62925d19u22e55011acba61c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <333b9f7c1001071911w2bf9110as201c5387ff2b503e@mail.gmail.com> Sounds like you have lost the Work place Switcher applet. Right click on the panel, and select Add to Panel, scroll to the bottom of the window and highlight Workplace Switcher and click add. That should do it :-) On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Gordon Stewart wrote: > Hi, > > Lately on Ubuntu, I can press the control-tab key, to switch between > my screens. But I used to have a bar at the bottom of my screen > showing the tabs / screens I have open. > > but this bar has dissapeared & I have to use control-tab to switch > screens. (or even know what i have open / active. > > Q. s there a way to restore this 'task bar' ? > > -- > G > Freecycle Auckland :- > http://www.freecycle.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world." ~ Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Imagination is the Key to Success From blakjak at blakjak.net Fri Jan 8 17:08:28 2010 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Fri Jan 8 17:09:01 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Belarc adviser for Linux ? In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2771001071846p67b644bal4de0557b930333d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a3273a01001071752s1f04a6ddk3811a55bf7d42488@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2771001071846p67b644bal4de0557b930333d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Jan 2010, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2010/1/8 Gordon Stewart : >> I use "belarc adviser" on winXp - to get a LOT of information about my >> PC in one go... >> >> I understand that it is available in Linux, but went to my package >> manager, & searched for "belarc" ?- No package found. >> >> Is it under a different name ??? >> >> - Basically i want to get information (not just bits & pieces), on my >> hardware, so I can buy a new hard drive > > i've not heard of belarc, but what info will it offer that allows you > to choose a hard drive? i assume if it is compliant with whatever > conenction protocol, be it scsi, sata, pata or whatever, and your mobo > is also compliant, then you're good to go. i.e. there is not a lot to > choose between say most sata drives > > or do you have some unusual requirements? > > there are various tools for getting system info, which probably > overlap with what belarc provides +1, except i've used Belarc Advisor. Here's an example of its output: http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/zoom/fid,8078/zoom.html (sourced from http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,8078/description.html) Concur that this info is retrievable in lots of ways, however i'm not sure of the details of any one package within Linux that does so. From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Fri Jan 8 19:10:56 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Fri Jan 8 19:11:40 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Folder access problems In-Reply-To: References: <4B3C6E55.9720.303D6D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz>, <785900.97981.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: <4B478340.26648.271D977@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> I fixed the Synergy problem. It arose as a result of Nevyn changing a computer name in Synergy to an IP address, presumably to deal with another problem. This lead to inconsistency with another computer. This shouldn't affect anything other than Synergy which I regard as the greatest thing since sliced bread (or linux). Don Johnston > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Jaco van der Merwe > wrote: > > Permissions again; sometimes I find it pretty touch&go myself > > > > Either (recursively) change the ownership of the NTFS/FAT files & dirs, or mount the partition with rw rights. > > > > > > - J > > Couldn't find any real issues when I looked at this one. Concluding > that Don's just been holding his tongue the wrong way ;p > > On the other hand, there was some issue with name resolution. I only > noticed it a couple of hours later as I always use IP addresses on my > home network and thus had accessed the shares using IP addresses. > Anyone know how to fix this? This also effected synergy. Was able to > check it was a name resolution issue by specifying the ip address on > the client side. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From sond at ihug.co.nz Fri Jan 8 19:31:38 2010 From: sond at ihug.co.nz (sond) Date: Fri Jan 8 19:32:17 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] adsl modems Message-ID: <4B46D14A.7000908@ihug.co.nz> Hey all Thinking about "upgrading" my current modem ( silver speedtouch + load the firmware ) whats out there these days that the kernel likes ? sond From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 21:03:42 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Jan 8 21:04:12 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Folder access problems In-Reply-To: <4B478340.26648.271D977@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B3C6E55.9720.303D6D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <785900.97981.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4B478340.26648.271D977@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 6:10 AM, Don Johnston wrote: > I fixed the Synergy problem. It arose as a result of Nevyn changing a > computer name in Synergy to an IP address, presumably to deal with > another problem. This lead to inconsistency with another computer. > > This shouldn't affect anything other than Synergy which I regard as > the greatest thing since sliced bread (or linux). > > Don Johnston Changed to an IP address as I couldn't get it to resolve but needed to prove that Synergy wasn't the problem :p From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 21:21:15 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Jan 8 21:21:43 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Belarc adviser for Linux ? In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2771001071846p67b644bal4de0557b930333d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a3273a01001071752s1f04a6ddk3811a55bf7d42488@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2771001071846p67b644bal4de0557b930333d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Robin Paulson wrote: > is also compliant, then you're good to go. i.e. there is not a lot to > choose between say most sata drives Just brought a new one today. Took me several hours of researching what was out there deciding on what I was going to buy. The reasoning being that the option of 5400RPM hard drives are out there again with little performance loss and thus the benefits of a cooler and quieter running hard drive. (Look for the drives with "Green" in their name). Figured it was worth seeing if there was much performance loss. On the other hand, I could've got with the WD Raptors which are a whole different kettle of fish. Of course, the first computer store I went to seemed to want to tell me what I wanted (hate that - you ask for a particular model, and they're trying to tell what you want without even asking what your specifications are or why you're looking for that particular model). Ended up paying the extra $10 at a computer store which are always fairly good to me (the odd $5 knocked off on extra items. No second guessing me etc.). Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 21:23:55 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Jan 8 21:24:26 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Belarc adviser for Linux ? In-Reply-To: References: <9a3273a01001071752s1f04a6ddk3811a55bf7d42488@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2771001071846p67b644bal4de0557b930333d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:08 AM, Mark Foster wrote: > > +1, except i've used Belarc Advisor. > > Here's an example of its output: > > http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/zoom/fid,8078/zoom.html > > (sourced from > http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,8078/description.html) > > Concur that this info is retrievable in lots of ways, however i'm not sure > of the details of any one package within Linux that does so. Possibly: lshw -html >> filename.html ?? From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 21:27:56 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Jan 8 21:28:29 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Belarc adviser for Linux ? In-Reply-To: References: <9a3273a01001071752s1f04a6ddk3811a55bf7d42488@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2771001071846p67b644bal4de0557b930333d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Nevyn wrote: > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:08 AM, Mark Foster wrote: >> >> +1, except i've used Belarc Advisor. >> >> Here's an example of its output: >> >> http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/zoom/fid,8078/zoom.html >> >> (sourced from >> http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,8078/description.html) >> >> Concur that this info is retrievable in lots of ways, however i'm not sure >> of the details of any one package within Linux that does so. > > Possibly: > lshw -html >> filename.html > > ?? Oh here we go... Check out Hardinfo. (dirty minds back to the gutter if you please) http://hardinfo.berlios.de/Screenshots Regards, Nevyn. From Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz Fri Jan 8 22:24:25 2010 From: Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz (Chilling_Silence) Date: Fri Jan 8 22:24:55 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] adsl modems In-Reply-To: <4B46D14A.7000908@ihug.co.nz> References: <4B46D14A.7000908@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <2987f0d41001080124w6e026969gc406fc3e4390c8eb@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 7:31 PM, sond wrote: > Hey all > > Thinking about "upgrading" my current modem ( silver speedtouch + load the > firmware ) > > whats out there these days that the kernel likes ? > > Why not just get a Router? The NetComm NB6Plus4Wn is cheap and reliable... Or, something like the Linksys AM300 in half-bridge mode? Chill. From sond at ihug.co.nz Fri Jan 8 22:46:02 2010 From: sond at ihug.co.nz (sond) Date: Fri Jan 8 22:46:36 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] adsl modems In-Reply-To: <2987f0d41001080124w6e026969gc406fc3e4390c8eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B46D14A.7000908@ihug.co.nz> <2987f0d41001080124w6e026969gc406fc3e4390c8eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B46FEDA.40408@ihug.co.nz> I like my ppp0. Chilling_Silence wrote: > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 7:31 PM, sond wrote: > > >> Hey all >> >> Thinking about "upgrading" my current modem ( silver speedtouch + load the >> firmware ) >> >> whats out there these days that the kernel likes ? >> >> Why not just get a Router? The NetComm NB6Plus4Wn is cheap and reliable... >> > Or, something like the Linksys AM300 in half-bridge mode? > > > Chill. > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 9 09:50:43 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Sat Jan 9 09:51:16 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Belarc adviser for Linux ? In-Reply-To: References: <9a3273a01001071752s1f04a6ddk3811a55bf7d42488@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2771001071846p67b644bal4de0557b930333d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <159992.57229.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> lshw (CLI) & hwinfo (GUI) for system device info awstats is another web-based tool conky (http://conky.sourceforge.net/) is highly customizable (requiring a fair bit of scripting for more complicated configs) a statistics tool that sits on the desktop background, similar to win's samurize hope this covers all the bases - J From Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz Sat Jan 9 10:26:23 2010 From: Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz (Chilling_Silence) Date: Sat Jan 9 10:26:54 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] adsl modems In-Reply-To: <4B46FEDA.40408@ihug.co.nz> References: <4B46D14A.7000908@ihug.co.nz> <2987f0d41001080124w6e026969gc406fc3e4390c8eb@mail.gmail.com> <4B46FEDA.40408@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <2987f0d41001081326v28b7ff1enb280374e23794869@mail.gmail.com> Begs the question then, why do you need something new if your current one is still working? Or if it's not, why not get the same model you currently have? On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:46 PM, sond wrote: > I like my ppp0. > > Chilling_Silence wrote: > >> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 7:31 PM, sond wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hey all >>> >>> Thinking about "upgrading" my current modem ( silver speedtouch + load >>> the >>> firmware ) >>> >>> whats out there these days that the kernel likes ? >>> >>> Why not just get a Router? The NetComm NB6Plus4Wn is cheap and >>> reliable... >>> >>> >> Or, something like the Linksys AM300 in half-bridge mode? >> >> >> Chill. >> > From sond at ihug.co.nz Sat Jan 9 12:23:56 2010 From: sond at ihug.co.nz (sond) Date: Sat Jan 9 12:24:35 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] adsl modems In-Reply-To: <2987f0d41001081326v28b7ff1enb280374e23794869@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B46D14A.7000908@ihug.co.nz> <2987f0d41001080124w6e026969gc406fc3e4390c8eb@mail.gmail.com> <4B46FEDA.40408@ihug.co.nz> <2987f0d41001081326v28b7ff1enb280374e23794869@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B47BE8C.2070400@ihug.co.nz> I'm thinking that the firmware for these things is probably getting on a bit, ( ADSL2+ ) and also configuring them on a headless box varies with kernels ( remember hotplug issues ) but i do like them - and collect them, as they can be sourced on trademe for $5 - $15 : ) sond Chilling_Silence wrote: > Begs the question then, why do you need something new if your current one is > still working? Or if it's not, why not get the same model you currently > have? > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:46 PM, sond wrote: > > >> I like my ppp0. >> >> Chilling_Silence wrote: >> >> >>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 7:31 PM, sond wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hey all >>>> >>>> Thinking about "upgrading" my current modem ( silver speedtouch + load >>>> the >>>> firmware ) >>>> >>>> whats out there these days that the kernel likes ? >>>> >>>> Why not just get a Router? The NetComm NB6Plus4Wn is cheap and >>>> reliable... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Or, something like the Linksys AM300 in half-bridge mode? >>> >>> >>> Chill. >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Sun Jan 10 19:11:26 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Sun Jan 10 19:12:00 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Folder access problems In-Reply-To: References: <4B3C6E55.9720.303D6D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz>, <785900.97981.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: <4B4A265E.31788.20F658C@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Jaco van der Merwe > wrote: > > Permissions again; sometimes I find it pretty touch&go myself > > > > Either (recursively) change the ownership of the NTFS/FAT files & dirs, or mount the partition with rw rights. > > > > > > - J > > Couldn't find any real issues when I looked at this one. Concluding > that Don's just been holding his tongue the wrong way ;p > > On the other hand, there was some issue with name resolution. I only > noticed it a couple of hours later as I always use IP addresses on my > home network and thus had accessed the shares using IP addresses. > Anyone know how to fix this? This also effected synergy. Was able to > check it was a name resolution issue by specifying the ip address on > the client side. > > Regards, > Nevyn. The mystery deepens. I am using a desktop computer running Mint 8 dual bootable with Windows and a laptop running Windows. Today, when running Mint, I was only able to connect using Synergy on one occasion. I was only able to ping from one computer to the other intermittently. I was able to access the internet from both machines except that that failed with Mint on one occasion. I am having no such problems when running Windows on the desktop machine and I was having no such problems a week ago. As a result, I am wondering if there is a problem with Mint on the desktop machine. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I have spare hard disks and I am wondering if it might be a good idea to try a fresh install of Mint on one of them to see if I then have any problems with Synergy. Don Johnston From apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz Sat Jan 16 20:57:23 2010 From: apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz (Aaron Pelly) Date: Sat Jan 16 20:57:57 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meetings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004801ca9681$89843150$9c8c93f0$@co.nz> On 2009-12-22, Nevyn wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I've been thinking recently about the subjects for next year's meetings. > > What meetings this year stood out for people? > For me it would have to be the one Martin did on bash scripting and > Chill's one on Asterisk. Although I never attended, as such, I was prompted to implement VOIP thanks to chill's presentation. Loving it! > So with that in mind, I'd like to do a repeat of these meetings. For > the Asterisk one, I'd like to have 2. An introduction and a more > focused specific set up sort of thing. Awesome! > There's been a bit of talk about Android as well but if you're like > me, you probably find it a litle disconcerting not knowig which parts > are open, which parts aren't and why aren't those parts open? Do open > versions of these bits exist? Yep, but, well, awesome too! Come on; who doesn't want to ssh to their cell phone? > In fact, t > might be kind of fun to do a few things on hardware this year. > Arduino's, we've always had the RepRap (looking forward to seeing the > new version in action), perhaps even some home brew type things? Love this stuff, but there are only so many hours in a day to play with new things. > What would everyone like to see in the meetings in the coming year? I'd really like a workshop (100% whiteboard is ok) about SOHO network design and security. From firewall through (v)servers for DMZ, DNS, mail, backup, asterisk, radius, wifi and troubleshooting. I know google is our friend (at least for search, at the moment anyway...) but I'm bashing my head against network concepts relating to these things for 80% of the time I spend fooling with them. Networking is a BIG thing! Sadly, Mondays suck for me. Aaron. From craisin1 at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 18:07:33 2010 From: craisin1 at gmail.com (Baillie Browne) Date: Sun Jan 17 18:08:27 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 56, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <4b52453e.2308c00a.4ee9.ffffbf5bSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <4b52453e.2308c00a.4ee9.ffffbf5bSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <150425a11001162107nd03f9d8i11586331aa3b1352@mail.gmail.com> Hey Aaron my name is Baillie Im waiting for Ubuntu 10.04 out in april . Does any of your crew redistribute Ubuntu as trade me sellers are a bit shonky to keep it nice. Im spending time fixing a friends XP machine to raise a little money to buy bits for my motorbike. I need more motorbike and less PCs Baillie On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:01 PM, wrote: > Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to > ? ? ? ?aucklug@linux.net.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > ? ? ? ?http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ? ? ? ?aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ? ? ? ?aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ? 1. RE: Meetings (Aaron Pelly) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:57:23 +1300 > From: "Aaron Pelly" > Subject: RE: [AuckLUG] Meetings > To: "'Auckland Linux User Group mailing list'" > Message-ID: <004801ca9681$89843150$9c8c93f0$@co.nz> > > On 2009-12-22, Nevyn wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I've been thinking recently about the subjects for next year's meetings. >> >> What meetings this year stood out for people? >> For me it would have to be the one Martin did on bash scripting and >> Chill's one on Asterisk. > > Although I never attended, as such, I was prompted to implement VOIP thanks > to chill's presentation. Loving it! > > >> So with that in mind, I'd like to do a repeat of these meetings. For >> the Asterisk one, I'd like to have 2. An introduction and a more >> focused specific set up sort of thing. > > Awesome! > >> There's been a bit of talk about Android as well but if you're like >> me, you probably find it a litle disconcerting not knowig which parts >> are open, which parts aren't and why aren't those parts open? Do open >> versions of these bits exist? > > Yep, but, well, awesome too! Come on; who doesn't want to ssh to their cell > phone? > >> In fact, t >> might be kind of fun to do a few things on hardware this year. >> Arduino's, we've always had the RepRap (looking forward to seeing the >> new version in action), perhaps even some home brew type things? > > Love this stuff, but there are only so many hours in a day to play with new > things. > >> What would everyone like to see in the meetings in the coming year? > > I'd really like a workshop (100% whiteboard is ok) about SOHO network design > and security. From firewall through (v)servers for DMZ, DNS, mail, backup, > asterisk, radius, wifi and troubleshooting. I know google is our friend (at > least for search, at the moment anyway...) but I'm bashing my head against > network concepts relating to these things for 80% of the time I spend > fooling with them. Networking is a BIG thing! > > Sadly, Mondays suck for me. > > Aaron. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 56, Issue 9 > ************************************** > From nevynh at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 23:19:31 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sun Jan 17 23:20:00 2010 Subject: Linux Distribution Was Re: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 56, Issue 9 Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Baillie Browne wrote: > Hey Aaron my name is Baillie Im waiting for Ubuntu 10.04 out in april . > Does any of your crew redistribute Ubuntu as trade me sellers are a > bit shonky to keep it nice. > Im spending time fixing a friends XP machine to raise a little money > to buy bits for my motorbike. > I need more motorbike and less PCs ? Baillie Hi Baillie, This is a completely new subject so really should've gotten it's own post. Anyway, in answer to your question, ask again when it actually comes out. A few of us are quite happy to provide cd's either via snail mail or more preferably, at the meetings. Otherwise, there's bound to be someone in your suburb who could potentially help you out there. We are a very sharing lot and most of us won't charge anything except perhaps for the cost of the cd (cup of coffee, glass of beer, 50c etc.) I didn't realise people were distributing linux via trade me. Do they charge much for it? I think there's a member on here who also has an online store that redistributes various distributions. Regards, Nevyn. From blakjak at blakjak.net Sun Jan 17 23:38:53 2010 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Sun Jan 17 23:39:25 2010 Subject: Linux Distribution Was Re: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 56, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Jan 2010, Nevyn wrote: > On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Baillie Browne wrote: >> Hey Aaron my name is Baillie Im waiting for Ubuntu 10.04 out in april . >> Does any of your crew redistribute Ubuntu as trade me sellers are a >> bit shonky to keep it nice. >> Im spending time fixing a friends XP machine to raise a little money >> to buy bits for my motorbike. >> I need more motorbike and less PCs ? Baillie > > Hi Baillie, > > This is a completely new subject so really should've gotten it's own post. > > Anyway, in answer to your question, ask again when it actually comes > out. A few of us are quite happy to provide cd's either via snail mail > or more preferably, at the meetings. Otherwise, there's bound to be > someone in your suburb who could potentially help you out there. We > are a very sharing lot and most of us won't charge anything except > perhaps for the cost of the cd (cup of coffee, glass of beer, 50c > etc.) > > I didn't realise people were distributing linux via trade me. Do they > charge much for it? I think there's a member on here who also has an > online store that redistributes various distributions. > Trademe tends to cancel / remove Linux from sale on Trademe as for some stupidly obscure reason, they consider it a breach of their Terms and Conditions. It was discussed on AuckLUG back in 2006. http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/aucklug/2006-February/000773.html Regretfully I no longer have any 'inside contacts' at Trademe and was never able to perform much of a follow up to start with. I'm unsure if they've improved / rectified their policies? That all said, I generally encourage folks to install a distro which has been out for ~2-3 months at least, rather than go 'bleeding edge'. Often there's a few kinks to be found and resolved when the new releases come out. I am still running Ubuntu 9.04 (April 2009) despite 9.10 being available. Expect that i'll keep doing so until a feature I want isn't readily available, or when security updates stop. So aside from whizz-bang, you've got 3 months until 10.4; why not give 9.10 a go? Mark. From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 00:18:35 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Jan 18 00:19:04 2010 Subject: Linux Distribution Was Re: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 56, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Mark Foster wrote: > > > I generally encourage folks to install a distro which has been out for ~2-3 > months at least, rather than go 'bleeding edge'. ?Often there's a few kinks > to be found and resolved when the new releases come out. > > I am still running Ubuntu 9.04 (April 2009) despite 9.10 being available. > Expect that i'll keep doing so until a feature I want isn't readily > available, or when security updates stop. > > So aside from whizz-bang, you've got 3 months until 10.4; why not give 9.10 > a go? Fully with you there. Ended up installing Koala as it solved a few problems but then there are a few things which still annoy me. I've just tried to set up a set of bluetooth headphones. Involves installing blueman then you've got to enable the pulseaudio plugin which is in the most obscure place possible - right click on icon > about > plugins. Still, it's all getting better and once you've got it going, you don't need to worry about it (unless you're trying to do the same thing on multiple computers as happened in this case). On the other hand, trying to find a solution for this sort of issue in the early days of a release is usually even more of a mission. From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 00:26:21 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Jan 18 00:26:49 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Folder access problems In-Reply-To: <4B4A265E.31788.20F658C@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B3C6E55.9720.303D6D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <785900.97981.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4B4A265E.31788.20F658C@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Don Johnston wrote: > > The mystery deepens. > > I am using a desktop computer running Mint 8 dual bootable with > Windows and a laptop running Windows. > > Today, when running Mint, I was only able to connect using Synergy on > one occasion. I was only able to ping from one computer to the other > intermittently. I was able to access the internet from both machines > except that that failed with Mint on one occasion. > > I am having no such problems when running Windows on the desktop > machine and I was having no such problems a week ago. > > As a result, I am wondering if there is a problem with Mint on the > desktop machine. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. I have spare hard disks and I > am wondering if it might be a good idea to try a fresh install of > Mint on one of them to see if I then have any problems with Synergy. > > Don Johnston When pinging are you using the ip address or the computer name? If it's the computer name, try with the ip address. There's a chance it's the same problem I was seeing when trying to get through a bunch of the issues you were having. Regards, Nevyn. From thetoolman at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 08:27:46 2010 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Toolman) Date: Mon Jan 18 08:28:25 2010 Subject: Linux Distribution Was Re: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 56, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84484DBD-17B0-4FAC-9CBE-D5D008F253A4@gmail.com> If you install karmic koala (9.10) ensure you have the karmic-updates repo in /etc/apt/sources.list to get the many bugfixes since release :) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2010, at 0:18, Nevyn wrote: > On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Mark Foster > wrote: >> >> >> I generally encourage folks to install a distro which has been out >> for ~2-3 >> months at least, rather than go 'bleeding edge'. Often there's a >> few kinks >> to be found and resolved when the new releases come out. >> >> I am still running Ubuntu 9.04 (April 2009) despite 9.10 being >> available. >> Expect that i'll keep doing so until a feature I want isn't readily >> available, or when security updates stop. >> >> So aside from whizz-bang, you've got 3 months until 10.4; why not >> give 9.10 >> a go? > > Fully with you there. Ended up installing Koala as it solved a few > problems but then there are a few things which still annoy me. I've > just tried to set up a set of bluetooth headphones. Involves > installing blueman then you've got to enable the pulseaudio plugin > which is in the most obscure place possible - right click on icon > > about > plugins. > > Still, it's all getting better and once you've got it going, you don't > need to worry about it (unless you're trying to do the same thing on > multiple computers as happened in this case). > > On the other hand, trying to find a solution for this sort of issue in > the early days of a release is usually even more of a mission. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 18 09:34:01 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Jan 18 09:34:37 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meetings In-Reply-To: <004801ca9681$89843150$9c8c93f0$@co.nz> References: <004801ca9681$89843150$9c8c93f0$@co.nz> Message-ID: <923844.8328.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >I'd really like a workshop (100% whiteboard is ok) about SOHO network design >and security. From firewall through (v)servers for DMZ, DNS, mail, backup, >asterisk, radius, wifi and troubleshooting. I know google is our friend (at >least for search, at the moment anyway...) but I'm bashing my head against >network concepts relating to these things for 80% of the time I spend >fooling with them. Networking is a BIG thing! Yea, networking gets crazy complicated. IPv6 is only going to complicate things even more. I'm keen for some sort of a workshop too, but I'm also curious to know what went down @ LCA. I'd like to see more on the VoIP fornt; I can help a bit with networking & firewalls (FYI re firewalls; look at pfSense, or IPCop if you need something simpler) - J From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 18 09:42:02 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Jan 18 09:42:34 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 56, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <150425a11001162107nd03f9d8i11586331aa3b1352@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b52453e.2308c00a.4ee9.ffffbf5bSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <150425a11001162107nd03f9d8i11586331aa3b1352@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <822448.88358.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Best bet is probably to simply download the ISO yourself (http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download), and then burn it to disk or load it to USB drive, or simply request a few copies (let than 5, I think): https://shipit.ubuntu.com I usually have copies of the current (ubuntu) distro, so let me know before the next meet & I'll bring you a copy that you can load on you USB stick re TradeMe: "not allowing sale of software you don't own CC to"? Not so sure about that.... it's more legal "selling" FLOSS (provided you make the source available; even by reference) than it is to sell a 2nd-hand PC with win pre-installed. I've seen a few FLOSS-based products there (SuSE thumbdrives, I think) Cheers - J From john at ber.net.nz Mon Jan 18 10:01:24 2010 From: john at ber.net.nz (John @ B.E.R. Ltd) Date: Mon Jan 18 10:01:58 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Bluetooth Dongle recommendation for UBUNTU- Hardy and Karmic. Message-ID: <001601ca97b8$3ae39350$b0aab9f0$@net.nz> Hi, has anyone come across a Bluetooth dongle that works out of the box for Hardy and/or Karmic. Ive bought two already and have been frustrated that neither is able to me registered by UBUNTU. Its not listed on lsub and displays error on the logs as not being enumerated- will not accept port address. I think it's the hardware/driver compatibility, it worked on Windoze and Fedora. Heres some post on the UBUNTU Forum with the problems I'm having. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1377901 Regards John From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 10:42:08 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Jan 18 10:42:37 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meetings In-Reply-To: <923844.8328.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <004801ca9681$89843150$9c8c93f0$@co.nz> <923844.8328.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >>I'd really like a workshop (100% whiteboard is ok) about SOHO network design >>and security. From firewall through (v)servers for DMZ, DNS, mail, backup, >>asterisk, radius, wifi and troubleshooting. I know google is our friend (at >>least for search, at the moment anyway...) but I'm bashing my head against >>network concepts relating to these things for 80% of the time I spend >>fooling with them. Networking is a BIG thing! > > Yea, networking gets crazy complicated. IPv6 is only going to complicate things even more. > > I'm keen for some sort of a workshop too, but I'm also curious to know what went down @ LCA. > I'd like to see more on the VoIP fornt; I can help a bit with networking & firewalls (FYI re firewalls; look at pfSense, or IPCop if you need something simpler) > > - J If someone wants to present on the LCA for early February give me a shout. I'll do all the venue sorting and that sort of thing if I know I've got a speaker/speakers.. Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 10:52:17 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Jan 18 10:52:47 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Bluetooth Dongle recommendation for UBUNTU- Hardy and Karmic. In-Reply-To: <001601ca97b8$3ae39350$b0aab9f0$@net.nz> References: <001601ca97b8$3ae39350$b0aab9f0$@net.nz> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:01 AM, John @ B.E.R. Ltd wrote: > Hi, has anyone come across a Bluetooth dongle that works out of the box for > Hardy and/or Karmic. > > Ive bought two already and have been frustrated that neither is able to me > registered by UBUNTU. > > Its not listed on lsub and displays error on the logs as not being > enumerated- will not accept port address. > > I think it's the hardware/driver compatibility, it worked on Windoze and > Fedora. > > Heres some post on the UBUNTU Forum with the problems I'm having. > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1377901 > > Regards John Weird. I always thought they were fairly generic. In that case I've been lucky I guess. The weirdest bit is the fact that it doesn't show up in lsusb. I thought lsusb picked up everything plugged into the usb slots regardless of it's status. Other USB devices working okay? Regards, Nevyn. From jsto068 at aucklanduni.ac.nz Mon Jan 18 11:58:25 2010 From: jsto068 at aucklanduni.ac.nz (Jeremy Stott) Date: Mon Jan 18 12:15:28 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Bluetooth Dongle recommendation for UBUNTU- Hardy and Karmic. In-Reply-To: References: <001601ca97b8$3ae39350$b0aab9f0$@net.nz> Message-ID: > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:01 AM, John @ B.E.R. Ltd > wrote: > > Hi, has anyone come across a Bluetooth dongle that works out of the box > for > > Hardy and/or Karmic. > Hi John, I have tried two different cheap Bluetooth dongles with Ubuntu, both of which worked without any problems. Even the dongle that required 3rd party drivers under windows worked fine. Regards Jeremy. From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Mon Jan 18 12:26:27 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 18 12:27:10 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Synergy, pinging and virtual machines (was "Folder access problems") In-Reply-To: References: <4B3C6E55.9720.303D6D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz>, <4B4A265E.31788.20F658C@admin.ncearevision.co.nz>, Message-ID: <4B545373.6173.B77871@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Don Johnston wrote: > > > > The mystery deepens. > > > > I am using a desktop computer running Mint 8 dual bootable with > > Windows and a laptop running Windows. > > > > Today, when running Mint, I was only able to connect using Synergy on > > one occasion. I was only able to ping from one computer to the other > > intermittently. I was able to access the internet from both machines > > except that that failed with Mint on one occasion. > > > > I am having no such problems when running Windows on the desktop > > machine and I was having no such problems a week ago. > > > > As a result, I am wondering if there is a problem with Mint on the > > desktop machine. > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. I have spare hard disks and I > > am wondering if it might be a good idea to try a fresh install of > > Mint on one of them to see if I then have any problems with Synergy. > > > > Don Johnston > > When pinging are you using the ip address or the computer name? If > it's the computer name, try with the ip address. There's a chance it's > the same problem I was seeing when trying to get through a bunch of > the issues you were having. > > Regards, > Nevyn. I have only been pinging IP addresses. The problems with Synergy and pinging being intermittent started when Nevyn tried to install VMware Server. Prior to that, Synergy was working fine. I have been using VMware Server on Windows hosts on two computers and would have preferred to stick with it. However, it looks as if I would need to use an ancient version of linux to run it. With that in I mind, I changed the hard disk and installed Linux Mint 5 LTS which is based on Ubuntu 8.04 LTS. Synergy then worked without any problems. However, the Nvidia driver didn't recognise my monitors or my dual head Nvidia card. My inclination is to only use linux to run software which is in the Mint or Ubuntu repositories because installing other software in linux tends to be rather problematic, especially for a newbie like me. With that in mind, I think I will try running Qemu on Windows (which appears to be in its infancy). If I am satisfied then I will put most of my new virtual machines on KVM on Mint. My first priority is to sort out the Synergy and pinging problems I am having when running Mint on my desktop computer. Mint is intalled on that computer dual bootable with Windows. I am not having any problems with Synergy or pinging with Windows. At present, I am not using Mint because of the Synergy and pinging problems. I am wondering if it might be a good idea to reinstall Mint. Before doing that I would need to find out how to edit Grub. Don Johnston From thetoolman at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 12:28:04 2010 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Mon Jan 18 12:28:34 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Bluetooth Dongle recommendation for UBUNTU- Hardy and Karmic. In-Reply-To: References: <001601ca97b8$3ae39350$b0aab9f0$@net.nz> Message-ID: Are there any dependencies needed to be installed? (bluez or similar?) That might be the missing piece for John .. On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Jeremy Stott wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:01 AM, John @ B.E.R. Ltd > > wrote: > > > Hi, has anyone come across a Bluetooth dongle that works out of the box > > for > > > Hardy and/or Karmic. > > > > Hi John, > > I have tried two different cheap Bluetooth dongles with Ubuntu, both of > which worked without any problems. Even the dongle that required 3rd party > drivers under windows worked fine. > > Regards > > Jeremy. > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 18 13:33:56 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Jan 18 13:34:27 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Synergy, pinging and virtual machines (was "Folder access problems") In-Reply-To: <4B545373.6173.B77871@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B3C6E55.9720.303D6D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz>, <4B4A265E.31788.20F658C@admin.ncearevision.co.nz>, <4B545373.6173.B77871@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: <605718.94411.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >With that in mind, I think I will try running Qemu on Windows (which >appears to be in its infancy). If I am satisfied then I will put most >of my new virtual machines on KVM on Mint. I've grown fed-up with KVM; KVM is all good & fine for (headless) server virtualization, but it's pretty useless (at this stage) with desktop virtualization: no dynamic handling of USB devices & peripherals, no virtualized OpenGL Hardware Accelleration. Hell, I can't even load a CD without the need to reboot! KVM is a good option in the long run, but now presently for day-to-day needs Gonna make use of VIrtualBox for a while now, until KVM is up to par. - J From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 18 13:48:09 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Jan 18 13:48:38 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Bluetooth Dongle recommendation for UBUNTU- Hardy and Karmic. In-Reply-To: <001601ca97b8$3ae39350$b0aab9f0$@net.nz> References: <001601ca97b8$3ae39350$b0aab9f0$@net.nz> Message-ID: <96812.90614.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >Hi, has anyone come across a Bluetooth dongle that works out of the box for >Hardy and/or Karmic. Must say I've not had a lot of issues with USB BT transeivers; more with the devices at the other end, or the linux software client/manage, such as bluez. Generally-speaking, Logitech kit works best for me all-round. All my kit would be Logitech, if I could afford it. M$ hardware is pretty good too: good (i.e. "better than average") quality build, drivers pretty widely supported & they can take abuse. Re BT specific: I think the unit I'm using is: "D-Link PersonalAir DBT-122". Was the cheapes DSE had at the time; I just put it in & forgot about it further (just works OK) hope this helps From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 14:41:40 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Jan 18 14:42:37 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Synergy, pinging and virtual machines (was "Folder access problems") In-Reply-To: <605718.94411.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4B3C6E55.9720.303D6D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <4B4A265E.31788.20F658C@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <4B545373.6173.B77871@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <605718.94411.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >>With that in mind, I think I will try running Qemu on Windows (which >>appears to be in its infancy). If I am satisfied then I will put most >>of my new virtual machines on KVM on Mint. > > I've grown fed-up with KVM; KVM is all good & fine for (headless) server virtualization, but it's pretty useless (at this stage) with desktop virtualization: no dynamic handling of USB devices & peripherals, no virtualized OpenGL Hardware Accelleration. Hell, I can't even load a CD without the need to reboot! > KVM is a good option in the long run, but now presently for day-to-day needs > > Gonna make use of VIrtualBox for a while now, until KVM is up to par. > > - J It's a bit of a trade off isn't it? KVM for reliable services type VM's. Virtualbox for the candy. I.e. I'd never use virtual box for the type of virtual machine I run as I'm usually looking at server setups. Still want to have a look at Xen. Unfortunately at the moment none of my machines is recent enough to have any sort of hardware vm extensions. Regards, Nevyn. From thetoolman at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 14:45:37 2010 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Mon Jan 18 14:46:09 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Synergy, pinging and virtual machines (was "Folder access problems") In-Reply-To: References: <4B3C6E55.9720.303D6D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <4B4A265E.31788.20F658C@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <4B545373.6173.B77871@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <605718.94411.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nevyn, why would you not consider using VMs for servers? I have done this often as it has lots of benefits and few drawbacks that I know of. The olny reasining I can think of is performance? - Toolman On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Nevyn wrote: > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Jaco van der Merwe > wrote: > >>With that in mind, I think I will try running Qemu on Windows (which > >>appears to be in its infancy). If I am satisfied then I will put most > >>of my new virtual machines on KVM on Mint. > > > > I've grown fed-up with KVM; KVM is all good & fine for (headless) server > virtualization, but it's pretty useless (at this stage) with desktop > virtualization: no dynamic handling of USB devices & peripherals, no > virtualized OpenGL Hardware Accelleration. Hell, I can't even load a CD > without the need to reboot! > > KVM is a good option in the long run, but now presently for day-to-day > needs > > > > Gonna make use of VIrtualBox for a while now, until KVM is up to par. > > > > - J > > It's a bit of a trade off isn't it? KVM for reliable services type > VM's. Virtualbox for the candy. I.e. I'd never use virtual box for the > type of virtual machine I run as I'm usually looking at server setups. > Still want to have a look at Xen. Unfortunately at the moment none of > my machines is recent enough to have any sort of hardware vm > extensions. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! From thetoolman at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 14:46:11 2010 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Mon Jan 18 14:46:43 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Synergy, pinging and virtual machines (was "Folder access problems") In-Reply-To: References: <4B3C6E55.9720.303D6D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <4B4A265E.31788.20F658C@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <4B545373.6173.B77871@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <605718.94411.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I should say: virtialbox style VMs! On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tim Toolman wrote: > Nevyn, why would you not consider using VMs for servers? I have done this > often as it has lots of benefits and few drawbacks that I know of. The olny > reasining I can think of is performance? > > - Toolman > > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Nevyn wrote: > >> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Jaco van der Merwe >> wrote: >> >>With that in mind, I think I will try running Qemu on Windows (which >> >>appears to be in its infancy). If I am satisfied then I will put most >> >>of my new virtual machines on KVM on Mint. >> > >> > I've grown fed-up with KVM; KVM is all good & fine for (headless) server >> virtualization, but it's pretty useless (at this stage) with desktop >> virtualization: no dynamic handling of USB devices & peripherals, no >> virtualized OpenGL Hardware Accelleration. Hell, I can't even load a CD >> without the need to reboot! >> > KVM is a good option in the long run, but now presently for day-to-day >> needs >> > >> > Gonna make use of VIrtualBox for a while now, until KVM is up to par. >> > >> > - J >> >> It's a bit of a trade off isn't it? KVM for reliable services type >> VM's. Virtualbox for the candy. I.e. I'd never use virtual box for the >> type of virtual machine I run as I'm usually looking at server setups. >> Still want to have a look at Xen. Unfortunately at the moment none of >> my machines is recent enough to have any sort of hardware vm >> extensions. >> >> Regards, >> Nevyn. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > > > -- > Tim Taylor > +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 14:54:47 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Jan 18 14:55:16 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Synergy, pinging and virtual machines (was "Folder access problems") In-Reply-To: <4B545373.6173.B77871@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B3C6E55.9720.303D6D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <4B4A265E.31788.20F658C@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <4B545373.6173.B77871@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Don Johnston wrote: > > I have only been pinging IP addresses. > > The problems with Synergy and pinging being intermittent started when > Nevyn tried to install VMware Server. Prior to that, Synergy was > working fine. > > I have been using VMware Server on Windows hosts on two computers and > would have preferred to stick with it. However, it looks as if I > would need to use an ancient version of linux to run it. With that in > I mind, I changed the hard disk and installed Linux Mint 5 LTS which > is based on Ubuntu 8.04 LTS. Synergy then worked without any > problems. However, the Nvidia driver didn't recognise my monitors or > my dual head Nvidia card. > > My inclination is to only use linux to run software which is in the > Mint or Ubuntu repositories because installing other software in > linux tends to be rather problematic, especially for a newbie like > me. > > With that in mind, I think I will try running Qemu on Windows (which > appears to be in its infancy). If I am satisfied then I will put most > of my new virtual machines on KVM on Mint. > > My first priority is to sort out the Synergy and pinging problems I > am having when running Mint on my desktop computer. Mint is intalled > on that computer dual bootable with Windows. I am not having any > problems with Synergy or pinging with Windows. At present, I am not > using Mint because of the Synergy and pinging problems. I am > wondering if it might be a good idea to reinstall Mint. Before doing > that I would need to find out how to edit Grub. > > Don Johnston To be fair, VMWare server was already installed on the machine. It just wasn't working. I only prodded a bit to find out why it wasn't working and it has something to do with symbols in the kernel. Either which way, the machine was still not running vmware. If you want to be sure that's not causing the problem, then remove it with: sudo vmware-uninstall.pl Next - ignore synergy. If a ping is having problems then looking at synergy isn't going to help you at all. Remove synergy from the equation. Try pinging without synergy running just to make sure. Possibly check the route command just to make sure the values there make sense. You probably don't want to use the LTS for a desktop. It probably feels positively antiquated by now. Great for servers. QEMU for Windows has been around as long as the Linux version. I think there was something about Linux having an advantage of a kernel module to speed it up (paravirtualisation?) whereas Windows didn't benefit from this. So it might not be an option. There is the option of converting various VM images between the different technologies though I'm not terribly keen on that solution either. Have you looked at some of the other VMWare products? i.e. vmware player. I think it's got a Linux version and is free to use. Also think it's got some more advanced features closer to those offered in vmware workstation. Not sure if the same problems exist... Regards, Nevyn. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 18 16:03:13 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Jan 18 16:03:44 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Synergy, pinging and virtual machines (was "Folder access problems") In-Reply-To: References: <4B3C6E55.9720.303D6D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <4B4A265E.31788.20F658C@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <4B545373.6173.B77871@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <605718.94411.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <960357.66886.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >It's a bit of a trade off isn't it? KVM for reliable services type >VM's. Virtualbox for the candy. I.e. I'd never use virtual box for the >type of virtual machine I run as I'm usually looking at server setups. >Still want to have a look at Xen. Unfortunately at the moment none of >my machines is recent enough to have any sort of hardware vm >extensions. I think you've got something there: KVM is GREAT for server virtualization, & VB for desktop. At the moment I'm more into desktop than server in my "experimentation", although I do find KVM CLI config & admin a lot simpler. Re Xen: AFAIK it's more "paravirt" than "full virt", so there may be some driver & compatibility issues, but I think you'd at least be able to get OpenGL going (although VMGL has been pretty dead for a while now). I *think* some of the VMWare compatibility drives work dor Xen too. - J From craisin1 at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 18:12:36 2010 From: craisin1 at gmail.com (Baillie Browne) Date: Mon Jan 18 18:13:12 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 56, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <4b53bdcc.0208c00a.263f.ffffde8cSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <4b53bdcc.0208c00a.263f.ffffde8cSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <150425a11001172112g75c8bd25we660fda342bb9b94@mail.gmail.com> hey Ive given up Dual booting XP with Ubuntu or mint dual booting ubuntu and ubuntu is fine Thanks I will try my mini dongle on ubuntu as it appears not to work on XP even with drivers Baillie On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:47 PM, wrote: > Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to > ? ? ? ?aucklug@linux.net.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > ? ? ? ?http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ? ? ? ?aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ? ? ? ?aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ? 1. Re: Bluetooth Dongle recommendation for UBUNTU- Hardy and > ? ? ?Karmic. (Jeremy Stott) > ? 2. Synergy, pinging and virtual machines (was "Folder access > ? ? ?problems") (Don Johnston) > ? 3. Re: Bluetooth Dongle recommendation for UBUNTU- Hardy and > ? ? ?Karmic. (Tim Toolman) > ? 4. Re: Synergy, ? ? ?pinging and virtual machines (was "Folder access > ? ? ?problems") (Jaco van der Merwe) > ? 5. Re: Bluetooth Dongle recommendation for UBUNTU- Hardy and > ? ? ?Karmic. (Jaco van der Merwe) > ? 6. Re: Synergy, pinging and virtual machines (was "Folder > ? ? ?access problems") (Nevyn) > ? 7. Re: Synergy, pinging and virtual machines (was "Folder > ? ? ?access problems") (Tim Toolman) > ? 8. Re: Synergy, pinging and virtual machines (was "Folder > ? ? ?access problems") (Tim Toolman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:58:25 +1300 > From: Jeremy Stott > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Bluetooth Dongle recommendation for UBUNTU- > ? ? ? ?Hardy and ? ? ? Karmic. > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > ? ? ? ? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >> >> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:01 AM, John @ B.E.R. Ltd >> wrote: >> > Hi, has anyone come across a Bluetooth dongle that works out of the box >> for >> > Hardy and/or Karmic. >> > > Hi John, > > I have tried two different cheap Bluetooth dongles with Ubuntu, both of > which worked without any problems. Even the dongle that required 3rd party > drivers under windows worked fine. > > Regards > > Jeremy. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:26:27 +1300 > From: "Don Johnston" > Subject: [AuckLUG] Synergy, pinging and virtual machines (was "Folder > ? ? ? ?access ?problems") > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: <4B545373.6173.B77871@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > >> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Don Johnston wrote: >> > >> > The mystery deepens. >> > >> > I am using a desktop computer running Mint 8 dual bootable with >> > Windows and a laptop running Windows. >> > >> > Today, when running Mint, I was only able to connect using Synergy on >> > one occasion. I was only able to ping from one computer to the other >> > intermittently. I was able to access the internet from both machines >> > except that that failed with Mint on one occasion. >> > >> > I am having no such problems when running Windows on the desktop >> > machine and I was having no such problems a week ago. >> > >> > As a result, I am wondering if there is a problem with Mint on the >> > desktop machine. >> > >> > Any suggestions would be appreciated. I have spare hard disks and I >> > am wondering if it might be a good idea to try a fresh install of >> > Mint on one of them to see if I then have any problems with Synergy. >> > >> > Don Johnston >> >> When pinging are you using the ip address or the computer name? If >> it's the computer name, try with the ip address. There's a chance it's >> the same problem I was seeing when trying to get through a bunch of >> the issues you were having. >> >> Regards, >> Nevyn. > > I have only been pinging IP addresses. > > The problems with Synergy and pinging being intermittent started when > Nevyn tried to install VMware Server. Prior to that, Synergy was > working fine. > > I have been using VMware Server on Windows hosts on two computers and > would have preferred to stick with it. However, it looks as if I > would need to use an ancient version of linux to run it. With that in > I mind, I changed the hard disk and installed Linux Mint 5 LTS which > is based on Ubuntu 8.04 LTS. Synergy then worked without any > problems. However, the Nvidia driver didn't recognise my monitors or > my dual head Nvidia card. > > My inclination is to only use linux to run software which is in the > Mint or Ubuntu repositories because installing other software in > linux tends to be rather problematic, especially for a newbie like > me. > > With that in mind, I think I will try running Qemu on Windows (which > appears to be in its infancy). If I am satisfied then I will put most > of my new virtual machines on KVM on Mint. > > My first priority is to sort out the Synergy and pinging problems I > am having when running Mint on my desktop computer. Mint is intalled > on that computer dual bootable with Windows. I am not having any > problems with Synergy or pinging with Windows. At present, I am not > using Mint because of the Synergy and pinging problems. I am > wondering if it might be a good idea to reinstall Mint. Before doing > that I would need to find out how to edit Grub. > > Don Johnston > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:28:04 +1300 > From: Tim Toolman > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Bluetooth Dongle recommendation for UBUNTU- > ? ? ? ?Hardy and ? ? ? Karmic. > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > ? ? ? ? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Are there any dependencies needed to be installed? (bluez or similar?) ?That > might be the missing piece for John .. > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Jeremy Stott wrote: > >> > >> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:01 AM, John @ B.E.R. Ltd >> > wrote: >> > > Hi, has anyone come across a Bluetooth dongle that works out of the box >> > for >> > > Hardy and/or Karmic. >> > >> >> Hi John, >> >> I have tried two different cheap Bluetooth dongles with Ubuntu, both of >> which worked without any problems. Even the dongle that required 3rd party >> drivers under windows worked fine. >> >> Regards >> >> Jeremy. >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > > > -- > Tim Taylor > +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:33:56 +0000 (GMT) > From: Jaco van der Merwe > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Synergy, pinging and virtual machines (was > ? ? ? ?"Folder access problems") > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: <605718.94411.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >>With that in mind, I think I will try running Qemu on Windows (which >>appears to be in its infancy). If I am satisfied then I will put most >>of my new virtual machines on KVM on Mint. > > I've grown fed-up with KVM; KVM is all good & fine for (headless) server virtualization, but it's pretty useless (at this stage) with desktop virtualization: no dynamic handling of USB devices & peripherals, no virtualized OpenGL Hardware Accelleration. Hell, I can't even load a CD without the need to reboot! > KVM is a good option in the long run, but now presently for day-to-day needs > > Gonna make use of VIrtualBox for a while now, until KVM is up to par. > > - J > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:48:09 +0000 (GMT) > From: Jaco van der Merwe > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Bluetooth Dongle recommendation for UBUNTU- > ? ? ? ?Hardy and ? ? ? Karmic. > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: <96812.90614.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >>Hi, has anyone come across a Bluetooth dongle that works out of the box for >>Hardy and/or Karmic. > > Must say I've not had a lot of issues with USB BT transeivers; more with the devices at the other end, or the linux software client/manage, such as bluez. > > Generally-speaking, Logitech kit works best for me all-round. All my kit would be Logitech, if I could afford it. > M$ hardware is pretty good too: good (i.e. "better than average") quality build, drivers pretty widely supported & they can take abuse. > > Re BT specific: I think the unit I'm using is: "D-Link PersonalAir DBT-122". Was the cheapes DSE had at the time; I just put it in & forgot about it further (just works OK) > > hope this helps > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:41:40 +1300 > From: Nevyn > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Synergy, pinging and virtual machines (was > ? ? ? ?"Folder ? ? ? ? access problems") > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > ? ? ? ? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Jaco van der Merwe > wrote: >>>With that in mind, I think I will try running Qemu on Windows (which >>>appears to be in its infancy). If I am satisfied then I will put most >>>of my new virtual machines on KVM on Mint. >> >> I've grown fed-up with KVM; KVM is all good & fine for (headless) server virtualization, but it's pretty useless (at this stage) with desktop virtualization: no dynamic handling of USB devices & peripherals, no virtualized OpenGL Hardware Accelleration. Hell, I can't even load a CD without the need to reboot! >> KVM is a good option in the long run, but now presently for day-to-day needs >> >> Gonna make use of VIrtualBox for a while now, until KVM is up to par. >> >> - J > > It's a bit of a trade off isn't it? KVM for reliable services type > VM's. Virtualbox for the candy. I.e. I'd never use virtual box for the > type of virtual machine I run as I'm usually looking at server setups. > Still want to have a look at Xen. Unfortunately at the moment none of > my machines is recent enough to have any sort of hardware vm > extensions. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:45:37 +1300 > From: Tim Toolman > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Synergy, pinging and virtual machines (was > ? ? ? ?"Folder ? ? ? ? access problems") > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > ? ? ? ? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Nevyn, why would you not consider using VMs for servers? ?I have done this > often as it has lots of benefits and few drawbacks that I know of. ?The olny > reasining I can think of is performance? > > - Toolman > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Nevyn wrote: > >> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Jaco van der Merwe >> wrote: >> >>With that in mind, I think I will try running Qemu on Windows (which >> >>appears to be in its infancy). If I am satisfied then I will put most >> >>of my new virtual machines on KVM on Mint. >> > >> > I've grown fed-up with KVM; KVM is all good & fine for (headless) server >> virtualization, but it's pretty useless (at this stage) with desktop >> virtualization: no dynamic handling of USB devices & peripherals, no >> virtualized OpenGL Hardware Accelleration. Hell, I can't even load a CD >> without the need to reboot! >> > KVM is a good option in the long run, but now presently for day-to-day >> needs >> > >> > Gonna make use of VIrtualBox for a while now, until KVM is up to par. >> > >> > - J >> >> It's a bit of a trade off isn't it? KVM for reliable services type >> VM's. Virtualbox for the candy. I.e. I'd never use virtual box for the >> type of virtual machine I run as I'm usually looking at server setups. >> Still want to have a look at Xen. Unfortunately at the moment none of >> my machines is recent enough to have any sort of hardware vm >> extensions. >> >> Regards, >> Nevyn. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > > > -- > Tim Taylor > +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:46:11 +1300 > From: Tim Toolman > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Synergy, pinging and virtual machines (was > ? ? ? ?"Folder ? ? ? ? access problems") > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > ? ? ? ? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I should say: virtialbox style VMs! > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tim Toolman wrote: > >> Nevyn, why would you not consider using VMs for servers? ?I have done this >> often as it has lots of benefits and few drawbacks that I know of. ?The olny >> reasining I can think of is performance? >> >> - Toolman >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Nevyn wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Jaco van der Merwe >>> wrote: >>> >>With that in mind, I think I will try running Qemu on Windows (which >>> >>appears to be in its infancy). If I am satisfied then I will put most >>> >>of my new virtual machines on KVM on Mint. >>> > >>> > I've grown fed-up with KVM; KVM is all good & fine for (headless) server >>> virtualization, but it's pretty useless (at this stage) with desktop >>> virtualization: no dynamic handling of USB devices & peripherals, no >>> virtualized OpenGL Hardware Accelleration. Hell, I can't even load a CD >>> without the need to reboot! >>> > KVM is a good option in the long run, but now presently for day-to-day >>> needs >>> > >>> > Gonna make use of VIrtualBox for a while now, until KVM is up to par. >>> > >>> > - J >>> >>> It's a bit of a trade off isn't it? KVM for reliable services type >>> VM's. Virtualbox for the candy. I.e. I'd never use virtual box for the >>> type of virtual machine I run as I'm usually looking at server setups. >>> Still want to have a look at Xen. Unfortunately at the moment none of >>> my machines is recent enough to have any sort of hardware vm >>> extensions. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nevyn. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tim Taylor >> +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! >> > > > > -- > Tim Taylor > +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 56, Issue 12 > *************************************** > From craisin1 at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 18:24:32 2010 From: craisin1 at gmail.com (Baillie Browne) Date: Mon Jan 18 18:25:18 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 56, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: <4b5374a0.2708c00a.1daf.3adcSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <4b5374a0.2708c00a.1daf.3adcSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <150425a11001172124l204fcefby859addcc4b6c5a61@mail.gmail.com> thanks Aaron and Nevyn Yeah for costs is good sorry there no method in the madness Baillie On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:35 AM, wrote: > Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to > ? ? ? ?aucklug@linux.net.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > ? ? ? ?http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ? ? ? ?aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ? ? ? ?aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ? 1. Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 56, Issue 9 (Baillie Browne) > ? 2. Linux Distribution Was Re: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol > ? ? ?56, ? ? ? Issue 9 (Nevyn) > ? 3. Re: Linux Distribution Was Re: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, > ? ? ?Vol ? ? ? 56, ?Issue 9 (Mark Foster) > ? 4. Re: Linux Distribution Was Re: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, > ? ? ?Vol 56, ? Issue 9 (Nevyn) > ? 5. Re: Folder access problems (Nevyn) > ? 6. Re: Linux Distribution Was Re: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, > ? ? ?Vol 56, ? Issue 9 (Toolman) > ? 7. Re: Meetings (Jaco van der Merwe) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:07:33 +1300 > From: Baillie Browne > Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 56, Issue 9 > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > Message-ID: > ? ? ? ?<150425a11001162107nd03f9d8i11586331aa3b1352@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hey Aaron my name is Baillie Im waiting for Ubuntu 10.04 out in april . > Does any of your crew redistribute Ubuntu as trade me sellers are a > bit shonky to keep it nice. > Im spending time fixing a friends XP machine to raise a little money > to buy bits for my motorbike. > I need more motorbike and less PCs ? Baillie > > On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:01 PM, ? wrote: >> Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to >> ? ? ? ?aucklug@linux.net.nz >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> ? ? ? ?http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> ? ? ? ?aucklug-request@linux.net.nz >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> ? ? ? ?aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> ? 1. RE: Meetings (Aaron Pelly) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:57:23 +1300 >> From: "Aaron Pelly" >> Subject: RE: [AuckLUG] Meetings >> To: "'Auckland Linux User Group mailing list'" >> Message-ID: <004801ca9681$89843150$9c8c93f0$@co.nz> >> >> On 2009-12-22, Nevyn wrote: >> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> I've been thinking recently about the subjects for next year's meetings. >>> >>> What meetings this year stood out for people? >>> For me it would have to be the one Martin did on bash scripting and >>> Chill's one on Asterisk. >> >> Although I never attended, as such, I was prompted to implement VOIP thanks >> to chill's presentation. Loving it! >> >> >>> So with that in mind, I'd like to do a repeat of these meetings. For >>> the Asterisk one, I'd like to have 2. An introduction and a more >>> focused specific set up sort of thing. >> >> Awesome! >> >>> There's been a bit of talk about Android as well but if you're like >>> me, you probably find it a litle disconcerting not knowig which parts >>> are open, which parts aren't and why aren't those parts open? Do open >>> versions of these bits exist? >> >> Yep, but, well, awesome too! Come on; who doesn't want to ssh to their cell >> phone? >> >>> In fact, t >>> might be kind of fun to do a few things on hardware this year. >>> Arduino's, we've always had the RepRap (looking forward to seeing the >>> new version in action), perhaps even some home brew type things? >> >> Love this stuff, but there are only so many hours in a day to play with new >> things. >> >>> What would everyone like to see in the meetings in the coming year? >> >> I'd really like a workshop (100% whiteboard is ok) about SOHO network design >> and security. From firewall through (v)servers for DMZ, DNS, mail, backup, >> asterisk, radius, wifi and troubleshooting. I know google is our friend (at >> least for search, at the moment anyway...) but I'm bashing my head against >> network concepts relating to these things for 80% of the time I spend >> fooling with them. Networking is a BIG thing! >> >> Sadly, Mondays suck for me. >> >> Aaron. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> >> End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 56, Issue 9 >> ************************************** >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:19:31 +1300 > From: Nevyn > Subject: Linux Distribution Was Re: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol > ? ? ? ?56, ? ? Issue 9 > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > ? ? ? ? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Baillie Browne wrote: >> Hey Aaron my name is Baillie Im waiting for Ubuntu 10.04 out in april . >> Does any of your crew redistribute Ubuntu as trade me sellers are a >> bit shonky to keep it nice. >> Im spending time fixing a friends XP machine to raise a little money >> to buy bits for my motorbike. >> I need more motorbike and less PCs ? Baillie > > Hi Baillie, > > This is a completely new subject so really should've gotten it's own post. > > Anyway, in answer to your question, ask again when it actually comes > out. A few of us are quite happy to provide cd's either via snail mail > or more preferably, at the meetings. Otherwise, there's bound to be > someone in your suburb who could potentially help you out there. We > are a very sharing lot and most of us won't charge anything except > perhaps for the cost of the cd (cup of coffee, glass of beer, 50c > etc.) > > I didn't realise people were distributing linux via trade me. Do they > charge much for it? I think there's a member on here who also has an > online store that redistributes various distributions. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:38:53 +1300 (NZDT) > From: Mark Foster > Subject: Re: Linux Distribution Was Re: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, > ? ? ? ?Vol ? ? 56, ?Issue 9 > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > On Sun, 17 Jan 2010, Nevyn wrote: > >> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Baillie Browne wrote: >>> Hey Aaron my name is Baillie Im waiting for Ubuntu 10.04 out in april . >>> Does any of your crew redistribute Ubuntu as trade me sellers are a >>> bit shonky to keep it nice. >>> Im spending time fixing a friends XP machine to raise a little money >>> to buy bits for my motorbike. >>> I need more motorbike and less PCs ? Baillie >> >> Hi Baillie, >> >> This is a completely new subject so really should've gotten it's own post. >> >> Anyway, in answer to your question, ask again when it actually comes >> out. A few of us are quite happy to provide cd's either via snail mail >> or more preferably, at the meetings. Otherwise, there's bound to be >> someone in your suburb who could potentially help you out there. We >> are a very sharing lot and most of us won't charge anything except >> perhaps for the cost of the cd (cup of coffee, glass of beer, 50c >> etc.) >> >> I didn't realise people were distributing linux via trade me. Do they >> charge much for it? I think there's a member on here who also has an >> online store that redistributes various distributions. >> > > Trademe tends to cancel / remove Linux from sale on Trademe as for some > stupidly obscure reason, they consider it a breach of their Terms and > Conditions. > > It was discussed on AuckLUG back in 2006. > > http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/aucklug/2006-February/000773.html > > Regretfully I no longer have any 'inside contacts' at Trademe and was > never able to perform much of a follow up to start with. I'm unsure if > they've improved / rectified their policies? > > That all said, > > I generally encourage folks to install a distro which has been out for > ~2-3 months at least, rather than go 'bleeding edge'. ?Often there's a few > kinks to be found and resolved when the new releases come out. > > I am still running Ubuntu 9.04 (April 2009) despite 9.10 being available. > Expect that i'll keep doing so until a feature I want isn't readily > available, or when security updates stop. > > So aside from whizz-bang, you've got 3 months until 10.4; why not give > 9.10 a go? > > Mark. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:18:35 +1300 > From: Nevyn > Subject: Re: Linux Distribution Was Re: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, > ? ? ? ?Vol 56, ? ? ? ? Issue 9 > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > ? ? ? ? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Mark Foster wrote: >> >> >> I generally encourage folks to install a distro which has been out for ~2-3 >> months at least, rather than go 'bleeding edge'. ?Often there's a few kinks >> to be found and resolved when the new releases come out. >> >> I am still running Ubuntu 9.04 (April 2009) despite 9.10 being available. >> Expect that i'll keep doing so until a feature I want isn't readily >> available, or when security updates stop. >> >> So aside from whizz-bang, you've got 3 months until 10.4; why not give 9.10 >> a go? > > Fully with you there. Ended up installing Koala as it solved a few > problems but then there are a few things which still annoy me. I've > just tried to set up a set of bluetooth headphones. Involves > installing blueman then you've got to enable the pulseaudio plugin > which is in the most obscure place possible - right click on icon > > about > plugins. > > Still, it's all getting better and once you've got it going, you don't > need to worry about it (unless you're trying to do the same thing on > multiple computers as happened in this case). > > On the other hand, trying to find a solution for this sort of issue in > the early days of a release is usually even more of a mission. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:26:21 +1300 > From: Nevyn > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Folder access problems > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > ? ? ? ? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Don Johnston wrote: >> >> The mystery deepens. >> >> I am using a desktop computer running Mint 8 dual bootable with >> Windows and a laptop running Windows. >> >> Today, when running Mint, I was only able to connect using Synergy on >> one occasion. I was only able to ping from one computer to the other >> intermittently. I was able to access the internet from both machines >> except that that failed with Mint on one occasion. >> >> I am having no such problems when running Windows on the desktop >> machine and I was having no such problems a week ago. >> >> As a result, I am wondering if there is a problem with Mint on the >> desktop machine. >> >> Any suggestions would be appreciated. I have spare hard disks and I >> am wondering if it might be a good idea to try a fresh install of >> Mint on one of them to see if I then have any problems with Synergy. >> >> Don Johnston > > When pinging are you using the ip address or the computer name? If > it's the computer name, try with the ip address. There's a chance it's > the same problem I was seeing when trying to get through a bunch of > the issues you were having. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:27:46 +1300 > From: Toolman > Subject: Re: Linux Distribution Was Re: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, > ? ? ? ?Vol 56, Issue 9 > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: <84484DBD-17B0-4FAC-9CBE-D5D008F253A4@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; ? ? ? charset=us-ascii; ? ? ? format=flowed; ?delsp=yes > > If you install karmic koala (9.10) ensure you have the karmic-updates > repo in /etc/apt/sources.list to get the many bugfixes since release :) > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 18, 2010, at 0:18, Nevyn wrote: > >> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Mark Foster >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I generally encourage folks to install a distro which has been out >>> for ~2-3 >>> months at least, rather than go 'bleeding edge'. ?Often there's a >>> few kinks >>> to be found and resolved when the new releases come out. >>> >>> I am still running Ubuntu 9.04 (April 2009) despite 9.10 being >>> available. >>> Expect that i'll keep doing so until a feature I want isn't readily >>> available, or when security updates stop. >>> >>> So aside from whizz-bang, you've got 3 months until 10.4; why not >>> give 9.10 >>> a go? >> >> Fully with you there. Ended up installing Koala as it solved a few >> problems but then there are a few things which still annoy me. I've >> just tried to set up a set of bluetooth headphones. Involves >> installing blueman then you've got to enable the pulseaudio plugin >> which is in the most obscure place possible - right click on icon > >> about > plugins. >> >> Still, it's all getting better and once you've got it going, you don't >> need to worry about it (unless you're trying to do the same thing on >> multiple computers as happened in this case). >> >> On the other hand, trying to find a solution for this sort of issue in >> the early days of a release is usually even more of a mission. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:34:01 +0000 (GMT) > From: Jaco van der Merwe > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Meetings > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: <923844.8328.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >>I'd really like a workshop (100% whiteboard is ok) about SOHO network design >>and security. From firewall through (v)servers for DMZ, DNS, mail, backup, >>asterisk, radius, wifi and troubleshooting. I know google is our friend (at >>least for search, at the moment anyway...) but I'm bashing my head against >>network concepts relating to these things for 80% of the time I spend >>fooling with them. Networking is a BIG thing! > > Yea, networking gets crazy complicated. IPv6 is only going to complicate things even more. > > I'm keen for some sort of a workshop too, but I'm also curious to know what went down @ LCA. > I'd like to see more on the VoIP fornt; I can help a bit with networking & firewalls (FYI re firewalls; look at pfSense, or IPCop if you need something simpler) > > - J > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 56, Issue 10 > *************************************** > From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 21:32:00 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Jan 18 21:32:33 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 56, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: <150425a11001172124l204fcefby859addcc4b6c5a61@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b5374a0.2708c00a.1daf.3adcSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <150425a11001172124l204fcefby859addcc4b6c5a61@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Baillie Browne wrote: > thanks Aaron and Nevyn > Yeah for costs is good > sorry there no method in the madness > Baillie Hi Baillie, I hate to be a bit of a nazi and all but could I direct you to this page: http://auckland.linux.net.nz/aup.html It's the AuckLUG acceptable use policy. Basically it just covers some bits of netiquette such as trimming out the bits of the message you're not replying to. It makes it a lot easier to read. For people like me who like to read just about everything that comes through and I belong to a couple of groups, readability becomes a huge concern. Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 21:37:34 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Jan 18 21:38:02 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Synergy, pinging and virtual machines (was "Folder access problems") In-Reply-To: References: <4B3C6E55.9720.303D6D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <4B4A265E.31788.20F658C@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <4B545373.6173.B77871@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <605718.94411.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tim Toolman wrote: > Nevyn, why would you not consider using VMs for servers? ?I have done this > often as it has lots of benefits and few drawbacks that I know of. ?The olny > reasining I can think of is performance? > > - Toolman It's about what I'm focused on. When I do a VM it's normally based upon some sort of service. So it's tomcat or apache or a firewall. Something that for the majourity of the time is headless. So I don't really care too much about whether it's got usb support or a better graphics emulation. To me it's about performance (I'm using pretty old machines - Everything I own is about 5 years old now) and reliability. Unfortunately this also means that the open source technologies are next to useless and I'm stuck with VMWare server on a Hardy box for the time being but still, if I was to choose one, I'd probably go for KVM. I suppose this all means that this is a purely academic argument for me... From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 21:41:05 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Jan 18 21:41:34 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Bluetooth Dongle recommendation for UBUNTU- Hardy and Karmic. In-Reply-To: <96812.90614.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <001601ca97b8$3ae39350$b0aab9f0$@net.nz> <96812.90614.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > M$ hardware is pretty good too: good (i.e. "better than average") quality build, drivers pretty widely supported & they can take abuse. The MS stuff is kind of interesting. I have a wireless MS keyboard and mouse. I opened the mouse as I was having a problem with it so decided to have a prod and it turns out it's a re-branded A4 kit. So fairly cheap and basic. Still, it works though had I brought something branded as "A4" I probably would've gotten a battery charger and some rechargeable batteries in the deal.. From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Mon Jan 18 21:50:05 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 18 21:50:50 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Synergy, pinging and virtual machines (was "Folder In-Reply-To: References: <4B3C6E55.9720.303D6D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz>, <4B545373.6173.B77871@admin.ncearevision.co.nz>, Message-ID: <4B54D78D.21155.D78537@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Don Johnston wrote: > > > > I have only been pinging IP addresses. > > > > The problems with Synergy and pinging being intermittent started when > > Nevyn tried to install VMware Server. Prior to that, Synergy was > > working fine. > > > > I have been using VMware Server on Windows hosts on two computers and > > would have preferred to stick with it. However, it looks as if I > > would need to use an ancient version of linux to run it. With that in > > I mind, I changed the hard disk and installed Linux Mint 5 LTS which > > is based on Ubuntu 8.04 LTS. Synergy then worked without any > > problems. However, the Nvidia driver didn't recognise my monitors or > > my dual head Nvidia card. > > > > My inclination is to only use linux to run software which is in the > > Mint or Ubuntu repositories because installing other software in > > linux tends to be rather problematic, especially for a newbie like > > me. > > > > With that in mind, I think I will try running Qemu on Windows (which > > appears to be in its infancy). If I am satisfied then I will put most > > of my new virtual machines on KVM on Mint. > > > > My first priority is to sort out the Synergy and pinging problems I > > am having when running Mint on my desktop computer. Mint is intalled > > on that computer dual bootable with Windows. I am not having any > > problems with Synergy or pinging with Windows. At present, I am not > > using Mint because of the Synergy and pinging problems. I am > > wondering if it might be a good idea to reinstall Mint. Before doing > > that I would need to find out how to edit Grub. > > > > Don Johnston > > To be fair, VMWare server was already installed on the machine. It > just wasn't working. I only prodded a bit to find out why it wasn't > working and it has something to do with symbols in the kernel. Either > which way, the machine was still not running vmware. If you want to be > sure that's not causing the problem, then remove it with: > sudo vmware-uninstall.pl > > Next - ignore synergy. If a ping is having problems then looking at > synergy isn't going to help you at all. Remove synergy from the > equation. Try pinging without synergy running just to make sure. > Possibly check the route command just to make sure the values there > make sense. > > You probably don't want to use the LTS for a desktop. It probably > feels positively antiquated by now. Great for servers. QEMU for > Windows has been around as long as the Linux version. I think there > was something about Linux having an advantage of a kernel module to > speed it up (paravirtualisation?) whereas Windows didn't benefit from > this. So it might not be an option. There is the option of converting > various VM images between the different technologies though I'm not > terribly keen on that solution either. > > Have you looked at some of the other VMWare products? i.e. vmware > player. I think it's got a Linux version and is free to use. Also > think it's got some more advanced features closer to those offered in > vmware workstation. Not sure if the same problems exist... > > Regards, > Nevyn. I tried removing VMware and still couldn't ping even with Synergy not running. I tried the "route" command and saw the router IP address and the subnet mask. One thing which might be relevant is that, occasionally, I find it necessary to do forced shutdowns. I wonder if something has been corrupted as a result. Rather than investigating the problem further, I think it is probably simplest for me to reinstall Mint (dual bootable with Windows) since I wasn't having problems with Synergy before VMware was installed. If it is easy to edit Grub then I will do so to enable the reinstallation of Mint to be done. Alternatively, I can recover from a hard disk clone made using RAID prior to the installation of Mint. I have tried VMware Player and it didn't satisfy all of my requirements. From the discussion, it looks as if Virtual Box might be worth looking at because I can probably live with the lack of USB support in the open source version. Don Johnston From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Wed Jan 20 12:07:11 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Wed Jan 20 12:07:44 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re-installing linux dual bootable with Windows Message-ID: <4B56F1EF.26711.B23DF1@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> I want to run linux dual bootable with Windows XP Professional. I am not happy about doing so until I am sure that I can re-install linux quickly, easily and safely, possibly changing distros in the process, if and when the need arises, preferably without the need to reinstall Windows. >From http://www.technixupdate.com/how-to-uninstall-linux-in-dual-boot- installed-with-windows-xp/ it appears to be easy to remove linux and replace Grub with the Windows only version. Am I correct in thinking that any linux distro can then be installed dual bootable with Windows without any problems? From robin.paulson at gmail.com Wed Jan 20 12:17:44 2010 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Wed Jan 20 12:18:12 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re-installing linux dual bootable with Windows In-Reply-To: <4B56F1EF.26711.B23DF1@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B56F1EF.26711.B23DF1@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: <2f3aa2771001191517o396bb9eds66124f2bcdf86b6c@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/20 Don Johnston : > I want to run linux dual bootable with Windows XP Professional. I am > not happy about doing so until I am sure that I can re-install linux > quickly, easily and safely, possibly changing distros in the process, > if and when the need arises, preferably without the need to reinstall > Windows. you're fine reinstalling linux as many times as you like - for most modern distros, such as ubuntu at least. although i would imagine any distro would be the same the only problem arises if windows is reinstalled - it tramples all over grub but even that can be solved by reinstalling grub, which isn't terribly difficult From rob at webworxshop.com Wed Jan 20 12:33:00 2010 From: rob at webworxshop.com (Robert Connolly) Date: Wed Jan 20 12:33:33 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re-installing linux dual bootable with Windows In-Reply-To: <4B56F1EF.26711.B23DF1@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B56F1EF.26711.B23DF1@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: <1263943980.2647.3.camel@frodo> On Wed, 2010-01-20 at 12:07 +1300, Don Johnston wrote: > I want to run linux dual bootable with Windows XP Professional. I am > not happy about doing so until I am sure that I can re-install linux > quickly, easily and safely, possibly changing distros in the process, > if and when the need arises, preferably without the need to reinstall > Windows. > > >From http://www.technixupdate.com/how-to-uninstall-linux-in-dual-boot- > installed-with-windows-xp/ it appears to be easy to remove linux and > replace Grub with the Windows only version. Am I correct in thinking > that any linux distro can then be installed dual bootable with > Windows without any problems? > Generally once Linux is installed in a dual boot, you will just overwrite the Linux partitions each time you reinstall. The new version will usually overwrite grub too and detect that windows is also there. Really the only mistake you can make is to accidentally erase the Windows partition on one of your reinstalls (by human error). Just make sure that everything is backed up and you should be fine. Cheers, Rob From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 20 12:55:20 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Jan 20 12:55:51 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re-installing linux dual bootable with Windows In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2771001191517o396bb9eds66124f2bcdf86b6c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B56F1EF.26711.B23DF1@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <2f3aa2771001191517o396bb9eds66124f2bcdf86b6c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <918857.20593.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >> I want to run linux dual bootable with Windows XP Professional. I am >> not happy about doing so until I am sure that I can re-install linux >> quickly, easily and safely, possibly changing distros in the process, >> if and when the need arises, preferably without the need to reinstall >> Windows. >you're fine reinstalling linux as many times as you like - for most >modern distros, such as ubuntu at least. although i would imagine any >distro would be the same >the only problem arises if windows is reinstalled - it tramples all over grub >but even that can be solved by reinstalling grub, which isn't terribly difficult Robin is right in this, but I've recently seen this change a bit recently (since vista, I thing; definitely under w7) It is correct that win will completely bollox up your grub. My advice would be to install linux (whatever the distro you choose) on it's own disk/platter, and separate your /home into a separate partition. That way, if you cook your OS, you can bounce back pretty well, and it also give you a degree of persistence across different distros [1]. This layout also allows you to save space when installing multiple linux OS's on the same host. Then, COMPLETELE disable that disk: either disable it in the BIOS, or physically unplug it (data and/or power). Install win on a second disk as you usually would do. Once it's done, re-enable the linux disk, boot into it & alter your grub with an option to throw the boot process over to your windows disk. This *should* do the trick (it did for me in the XP days), although this may be an issue under the new win versions [2] One you're able to boot into both OS's, you can add mount-points across the 2 OS's (i.e. the win disk accessable from lin & lin accessable from win) Using this config, you provide a physical layer of protection between OS's, so that is something does go horribly wrong, you're able to disconnect the unffected disk & do your recovery/re-installation without having to worry about the other OS Hope this helps - J [1] although this is not universally true; i.e your home in ubuntu may differ from that in fedora. in fact, the UID & GID in those 2 OS's are different, so you may experience complication there. [2] when I tries installing w7 to a secondary disk on my netbook, it screamed bloody murger because it couldn't be the 1st, primary partition (0,0). DAMN annoying From sond at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 20 14:15:14 2010 From: sond at ihug.co.nz (sond) Date: Wed Jan 20 14:15:47 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] IRC aucklug chan Message-ID: <4B565922.8070000@ihug.co.nz> Hi all is there an IRC #aucklug channel out there somewhere ? sond From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Jan 20 14:23:11 2010 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Jan 20 14:23:43 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] IRC aucklug chan In-Reply-To: <4B565922.8070000@ihug.co.nz> References: <4B565922.8070000@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: sond Not that i'm aware of, though several kiwi linux folks hang out on #nzlinux on irc.freenode.net which is a good start. Freenode also host the official channels for several Linux related projects. On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, sond wrote: > Hi all > > is there an IRC #aucklug channel out there somewhere ? > > sond > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Wed Jan 20 22:17:43 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Wed Jan 20 22:18:13 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Accessing Windows partitions and flash drives Message-ID: <4B578107.27762.4A455D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> I have a laptop with a Linux Mint 8 (Helena) virtual machine on VMware Server 1 on a Windows XP Professional host. I can access the Windows partitions when the laptop is connected to the LAN but not otherwise. If it isn't connected to the LAN, I get the following message: "The network bridge on device VMnet0 is temporarily down because the bridged Ethernet interface is down. The virtual machine may not be able to communicate with the host or with other machines on your network." Also, when I plug in a flash drive, I don't see it anywhere, regardless of whether or not the laptop is connected to the LAN. Don Johnston From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 00:50:45 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Jan 21 00:51:14 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Accessing Windows partitions and flash drives In-Reply-To: <4B578107.27762.4A455D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B578107.27762.4A455D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Don Johnston wrote: > I have a laptop with a Linux Mint 8 (Helena) virtual machine on > VMware Server 1 on a Windows XP Professional host. > > I can access the Windows partitions when the laptop is connected to > the LAN but not otherwise. If it isn't connected to the LAN, I get > the following message: "The network bridge on device VMnet0 is > temporarily down because the bridged Ethernet interface is down. ?The > virtual machine may not be able to communicate with the host or with > other machines on your network." > > Also, when I plug in a flash drive, I don't see it anywhere, > regardless of whether or not the laptop is connected to the LAN. > > Don Johnston Layers... Your vm's offer a certain amount of abstraction from the system they're running on. It sounds like they're using the bridged network device to communicate to the host system and thus, when the network is done, it'd be natural for the bridge to be down. As for plugging in the flash drive - does VMware server have usb support? Regards, Nevyn. From daler263 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 21 17:02:57 2010 From: daler263 at yahoo.com (DR) Date: Thu Jan 21 17:03:28 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Accessing Windows partitions on Portable HD drives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <969026.38872.qm@web112503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Recently the Volume label of a portable hard drive device became 'corrupted' in name and hence the contents a little difficult to access. A chkdsk has confirmed size and contents of the 500 gig device are still present. At issue is lovcating a utility to access the device, rename the VOLUME LABEL [name] back to the default of the a-data ch91 portable hard drive. Chkdsk y option located and added the 'loose file' contents. Being very carefull to recover the data on the fully functional hard drive is intension of the exercise at hand. Apart from the Volume label being difficult to change back to default NO other issues are apparent. A copy to back up of files off a laptop had occurred before the device became hard to access with a 'faulty / corrupt' volume label. The Device is ONE partition 500 gig with 118 free space available. Basic utility dvises device fully functionall if only hte dat and file syem contents is not accessible for backup onto dvd, Device is Windows formated REquest: advice on Utility to rename volume Utility to access data currently indicated as bein in ONE file / directory From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 21 17:13:52 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Jan 21 17:14:23 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Accessing Windows partitions on Portable HD drives In-Reply-To: <969026.38872.qm@web112503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <969026.38872.qm@web112503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <68360.98713.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I've had some pretty spotty experiences with disk recovery myself; usually it goes pretty bad for me :( That being said, there are a few tools that may be of assistance: parted is able to do some stuff that's a bit more tricky in fdisk, and you can look @ Trinity Rescue Kit/Disk for system recovery; it's got all sorts of goodies that may be usefull. In my experience, the best tool to fix an NTFS/NTFS-3G disk is an actual full-fledged windows box (not a VM); especially if there's a bad mount/unmount involved (just don't initialize if prompted). Luckily they're a dime-a-dozen, so it shouldn't be too difficult to lay hands on one Unfortunately NTFS/NTFS-3G is the only large-volumen FS that is universally-compatible (lin, win, mac), otherwise I would've prefferred another FS (the driver/daemon is a pretty hefty resouse how for what it does...) - J From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Thu Jan 21 20:23:35 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Thu Jan 21 20:44:50 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re-installing linux dual bootable with Windows In-Reply-To: <1263943980.2647.3.camel@frodo> References: <4B56F1EF.26711.B23DF1@admin.ncearevision.co.nz>, <1263943980.2647.3.camel@frodo> Message-ID: <4B58B7C7.26762.924F14@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> > On Wed, 2010-01-20 at 12:07 +1300, Don Johnston wrote: > > I want to run linux dual bootable with Windows XP Professional. I am > > not happy about doing so until I am sure that I can re-install linux > > quickly, easily and safely, possibly changing distros in the process, > > if and when the need arises, preferably without the need to reinstall > > Windows. > > > > >From http://www.technixupdate.com/how-to-uninstall-linux-in-dual-boot- > > installed-with-windows-xp/ it appears to be easy to remove linux and > > replace Grub with the Windows only version. Am I correct in thinking > > that any linux distro can then be installed dual bootable with > > Windows without any problems? > > > > Generally once Linux is installed in a dual boot, you will just > overwrite the Linux partitions each time you reinstall. The new version > will usually overwrite grub too and detect that windows is also there. > > Really the only mistake you can make is to accidentally erase the > Windows partition on one of your reinstalls (by human error). Just make > sure that everything is backed up and you should be fine. > > Cheers, > > Rob I made a clone of the hard disk using RAID in case something went wrong later. I then removed the linux partitions using the Mint 8 partitioner. I then reinstalled Mint 8 dual bootable with Windows. Now I can't start Mint. I noticed that there were three Mint 8 entries in the Grub menu in addition to the recovery and memory test entries. I tried all three. In the case of the default one, the last line on the screen was [ 40.008002] ---[ end trace d82a109f1dad5d17]--- Don Johnston From luke.hutch at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 04:47:00 2010 From: luke.hutch at gmail.com (Luke Hutchison) Date: Fri Jan 22 04:48:06 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in your pocket Message-ID: <3a0a97521001210747q7e2cca6anc0d16cf7a4ea89cd@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone know if there is a Google Android User Group in Auckland? I have been hacking on the Linux kernel and Java events framework for Android (for example, I got multi-touch scaling working on the original G1 Android phone: http://bit.ly/16VDI ). Android is a really fun stack to hack on at the operating system level, the Java framework level, and the app level. By the way, I have a brand-new extra Google Nexus One cellphone (with 1GHz Snapdragon processor and high-res OLED screen) here in Auckland, please reply to me directly off-list if you are interested. Sorry for the spam. Thanks, Luke Hutchison luke.hutch@gmail.com From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Fri Jan 22 09:23:28 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Fri Jan 22 09:23:59 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re-installing linux dual bootable with Windows In-Reply-To: <4B58B7C7.26762.924F14@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B56F1EF.26711.B23DF1@admin.ncearevision.co.nz>, <1263943980.2647.3.camel@frodo>, <4B58B7C7.26762.924F14@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: <4B596E90.28991.67D04B@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> > > On Wed, 2010-01-20 at 12:07 +1300, Don Johnston wrote: > > > I want to run linux dual bootable with Windows XP Professional. I am > > > not happy about doing so until I am sure that I can re-install linux > > > quickly, easily and safely, possibly changing distros in the process, > > > if and when the need arises, preferably without the need to reinstall > > > Windows. > > > > > > >From http://www.technixupdate.com/how-to-uninstall-linux-in-dual-boot- > > > installed-with-windows-xp/ it appears to be easy to remove linux and > > > replace Grub with the Windows only version. Am I correct in thinking > > > that any linux distro can then be installed dual bootable with > > > Windows without any problems? > > > > > > > Generally once Linux is installed in a dual boot, you will just > > overwrite the Linux partitions each time you reinstall. The new version > > will usually overwrite grub too and detect that windows is also there. > > > > Really the only mistake you can make is to accidentally erase the > > Windows partition on one of your reinstalls (by human error). Just make > > sure that everything is backed up and you should be fine. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rob > > I made a clone of the hard disk using RAID in case something went > wrong later. I then removed the linux partitions using the Mint 8 > partitioner. I then reinstalled Mint 8 dual bootable with Windows. > Now I can't start Mint. I noticed that there were three Mint 8 > entries in the Grub menu in addition to the recovery and memory test > entries. I tried all three. In the case of the default one, the last > line on the screen was > > [ 40.008002] ---[ end trace d82a109f1dad5d17]--- > > Don Johnston I got similar results when I used the backup, so maybe there is a problem with the computer. I think I will now remove the linux partitions, replace Grub with the Windows only version and then reinstall Mint 8 dual bootable with Windows. Don Johnston From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jan 22 09:23:34 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Fri Jan 22 09:24:06 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in your pocket In-Reply-To: <3a0a97521001210747q7e2cca6anc0d16cf7a4ea89cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <3a0a97521001210747q7e2cca6anc0d16cf7a4ea89cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <989315.35477.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >Does anyone know if there is a Google Android User Group in Auckland? Not that I'm aware of, but it may be worth your while to ask around the the #android or #android-root IRC channel >By the way, I have a brand-new extra Google Nexus One cellphone (with >1GHz Snapdragon processor and high-res OLED screen) here in Auckland, >please reply to me directly off-list if you are interested. Sorry for >the spam. sweeeeeeet! You happy or *extremely* happy with it? - J From luke.hutch at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 09:42:21 2010 From: luke.hutch at gmail.com (Luke Hutchison) Date: Fri Jan 22 09:43:16 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in your pocket In-Reply-To: <989315.35477.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <3a0a97521001210747q7e2cca6anc0d16cf7a4ea89cd@mail.gmail.com> <989315.35477.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3a0a97521001211242i12f1a5c9qcec41e948c74c0d3@mail.gmail.com> Yes, it's a *really* slick phone. I have had a G1 for the last year and the Nexus One blows it out of the water. Everything is really, really fast and smooth. The eye candy is incredible. Developing on it is a dream because the processes launch in debug mode so much faster than on the G1. (In general remote debugging over USB is one of the strengths of Android -- you can set breakpoints, single-step, etc. -- it's almost creepy the first time you're debugging an app running on your phone while using Eclipse on your desktop). The on-screen keyboard was my one concern because I'm used to a hardware keyboard, but just like on the iPhone once you learn to trust it, you realize it gets the prediction right "most of the time", and the keyboard is big enough, especially with the phone in landscape mode. The voice recognition works surprisingly well -- I guess that's to be expected because it works serverside. The web browser is *fast* and gives you a full WebKit experience. The turn-by-turn directions overlaid on Google Street View work amazingly well (though you have to do a bit of hackery to get it working until Google officially switches it on for NZ; Google Maps directions still work though). There are a lot of great features on this phone too, like the second active noise canceling mic on the back. Also, on principle alone, I felt morally obligated to buy a Nexus One because it is the first really mainstream phone with an OLED screen! (And the screen is really nice too.) The sync and integration with Google and Facebook services is flawless and makes the phone much more useful. The phone is really, really thin and the battery seems to last all day. Basically it's a much better phone all around than I expected, even as a Google fanboy :-) (Disclaimer: I used to work for Google, though I was always biased.) It's the first phone you could genuinely say is as good as or better than the iPhone 3GS in pretty much every way, unless you're religious about Apple. And -- it runs Linux. Sweet. (So anyone that's interested, definitely let me know you want one, there are very few in NZ at this point and I could hook you up :) ) On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > >Does anyone know if there is a Google Android User Group in Auckland? > Not that I'm aware of, but it may be worth your while to ask around the the > #android or #android-root IRC channel > > >By the way, I have a brand-new extra Google Nexus One cellphone (with > >1GHz Snapdragon processor and high-res OLED screen) here in Auckland, > >please reply to me directly off-list if you are interested. Sorry for > >the spam. > sweeeeeeet! > You happy or *extremely* happy with it? > > - J > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 10:36:17 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sat Jan 23 11:03:43 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in your pocket In-Reply-To: <3a0a97521001211242i12f1a5c9qcec41e948c74c0d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <3a0a97521001210747q7e2cca6anc0d16cf7a4ea89cd@mail.gmail.com> <989315.35477.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3a0a97521001211242i12f1a5c9qcec41e948c74c0d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Luke Hutchison wrote: > > (So anyone that's interested, definitely let me know you want one, there are > very few in NZ at this point and I could hook you up :) ) I reckon price is going to be of concern to anyone even vaguely interested... a ballpark figure?! From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Sat Jan 23 11:14:57 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Sat Jan 23 11:19:22 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Error message on shutdown Message-ID: <4B5ADA31.3083.5C444C@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Mint frequently freezes on one of my computers resulting in the need for forced shutdowns. Usually the problem is at start up but, on one occasion, when shutting down Mint 5 LTS, lines like the following one appeared on the screen: [ 292.395096] zd1211rw 2-1.1:1.0: zd_chip_control_leds error -110 Each line was the same except for the number in brackets. Does anyone know what this message means? Windows is working fine on the same computer. Don Johnston From luke.hutch at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 11:58:51 2010 From: luke.hutch at gmail.com (Luke Hutchison) Date: Sat Jan 23 12:05:10 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in your pocket In-Reply-To: References: <3a0a97521001210747q7e2cca6anc0d16cf7a4ea89cd@mail.gmail.com> <989315.35477.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3a0a97521001211242i12f1a5c9qcec41e948c74c0d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a0a97521001221458v4c1b8b25uaaaf32ee3074523b@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Nevyn wrote: > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Luke Hutchison wrote: >> >> (So anyone that's interested, definitely let me know you want one, there are >> very few in NZ at this point and I could hook you up :) ) > > I reckon price is going to be of concern to anyone even vaguely > interested... a ballpark figure?! Hi Nevyn, I don't want to spam the list on this topic, so please direct further replies to me off-list. However I'll answer your question here since you asked it on-list: My brother Paul (CC'd) and I are selling the phones (actually we have a few of them available), and have phones of our own (Paul could give you a demo if you want to try one out first). Actually someone previously replied to me suggesting showing the phone at an AuckLUG meeting -- is anyone interested in a 5-10 minute demo of the Nexus One sometime, maybe combined with a short demo of Android development/debugging in Eclipse? We're asking iPhone 3GS prices, even though the Nexus One is 67% faster than the 3GS, has twice the RAM (512MB on the Nexus One vs. 256MB on the 3GS), and has a lot of more powerful features, e.g. the extra noise canceling mic, OLED screen, etc. The iPhone 3GS goes for $1350 on average on TradeMe, so that's what we're initially asking, and we paid GST and import levies too to be legit (unlike many phone importers), as well as Fedex shipping to NZ, so we need to recoup those costs. However if you or anyone else is interested we could offer a discount -- feel free to make an offer. I'll paste the blurb about the phone below (the specs alone make this a very interesting technological development), *however* I won't post any more info about the phone here -- thanks for the interest. Luke -- The Google Nexus One "Superphone" with Android 2.1: Google's iPhone-killer [ Nexus One photo: http://bit.ly/5vQss6 ] This is the first Android cellphone directly produced by Google, and was just released in the US. Google will not ship to New Zealand, we have imported these ourselves and have some of the first Nexus One phones in New Zealand. The N1 has the most powerful features of any cellphone today: -- Powered by an extremely fast 1GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon ARM-based processor with 3D acceleration -- Bright 3.7" high-resolution 480x800 capacitive touchscreen -- the first mainstream phone to feature OLED technology for improved battery life. -- Syncs directly to all Google and Facebook services: Gmail, Calendar, Google Contacts, Facebook Contacts and others. -- GPS with Google Maps for driving directions (Google Maps for Android also works on New Zealand roads; Google turn-by-turn navigation works if you root your phone and then do a little bit of hacking, it's not yet officially enabled for NZ) -- A full high-speed desktop web browser based on WebKit -- Magnetic compass, accelerometer, facial proximity sensor, and a second microphone on the back of the phone for active noise cancellation -- 5Mpix autofocus camera with LED flash, video recording, photo geotagging -- Built in voice recognition allows you to speak rather than type text into any text field, and allows you to control many aspects of the phone using voice control -- Car Home gives you fast one-touch access to important features while driving: Contacts, Maps, directions, voice search (including voice-activated map directions) -- 3D photo gallery syncs with PicasaWeb web albums; tons of other built-in software and access to 20,000 apps in the Android Marketplace -- 3G data connectivity as well as 802.11n high-speed Wifi and Bluetooth 2.1+EDR -- Data/voice: GSM/GPRS/EDGE (all carriers); 3G Data support: HSPA 900/1700/2100: 3G @ 7.2Mbps down (check with your carrier: Vodafone is 100% supported; XT data support will be spotty). -- 512MB RAM / 512MB ROM -- 4GB MicroSD card included -- SIM-unlocked, and has built in Google-sanctioned support for rooting your phone if you choose to. -- Small, light and really thin -- 119 x 59.8 x 11.5mm, 130g (incl. batt) -- Comes with USB cable, power adapter, manuals etc., brand new in original box Asking price: $1350 (equivalent to street price of an iPhone in NZ). GST and import levies have been paid. Please contact Paul Hutchison, 09-473-1599 (H) / 021-273-1599 (M) From c.mills at auckland.ac.nz Sat Jan 23 12:17:19 2010 From: c.mills at auckland.ac.nz (Clark Mills) Date: Sat Jan 23 12:49:03 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in your pocket In-Reply-To: <3a0a97521001221458v4c1b8b25uaaaf32ee3074523b@mail.gmail.com> References: <3a0a97521001210747q7e2cca6anc0d16cf7a4ea89cd@mail.gmail.com> <989315.35477.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3a0a97521001211242i12f1a5c9qcec41e948c74c0d3@mail.gmail.com> <3a0a97521001221458v4c1b8b25uaaaf32ee3074523b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B5A31FF.6080202@auckland.ac.nz> On 23/01/10 11:58, Luke Hutchison wrote: > Actually someone > previously replied to me suggesting showing the phone at an AuckLUG > meeting -- is anyone interested in a 5-10 minute demo of the Nexus One > sometime, maybe combined with a short demo of Android > development/debugging in Eclipse? Hi Luke/others. Yes please!!! :) That would be fantastic if you could. Thanks... Clark From luke.hutch at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 14:15:26 2010 From: luke.hutch at gmail.com (Luke Hutchison) Date: Sat Jan 23 14:20:13 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in your pocket In-Reply-To: <4B5A31FF.6080202@auckland.ac.nz> References: <3a0a97521001210747q7e2cca6anc0d16cf7a4ea89cd@mail.gmail.com> <989315.35477.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3a0a97521001211242i12f1a5c9qcec41e948c74c0d3@mail.gmail.com> <3a0a97521001221458v4c1b8b25uaaaf32ee3074523b@mail.gmail.com> <4B5A31FF.6080202@auckland.ac.nz> Message-ID: <3a0a97521001221715u4f64b948mf22eab36778f81f5@mail.gmail.com> OK -- I'm actually in the US right now, I'll see if my brother can do it. When's the next meeting that would have space for this? On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Clark Mills wrote: > On 23/01/10 11:58, Luke Hutchison wrote: >> >> Actually someone >> previously replied to me suggesting showing the phone at an AuckLUG >> meeting -- is anyone interested in a 5-10 minute demo of the Nexus One >> sometime, maybe combined with a short demo of Android >> development/debugging in Eclipse? > > Hi Luke/others. > > Yes please!!! ?:) > > That would be fantastic if you could. > > Thanks... ?Clark > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From ronw at paradise.net.nz Sat Jan 23 16:45:13 2010 From: ronw at paradise.net.nz (Ron Wilson) Date: Sat Jan 23 16:49:41 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Web Hosting Message-ID: <1264218313.1913.4.camel@angela> Any suggestions for a good reasonable web hosting company. I am looking for a new host and would prefer linux hosting don't mind if its virtual. Its hard to pick one by just googling. Should have a reasonable storage capacity and preferably unlimited data transfer. Reply to me off line if its likely to annoy other users of forum. Thanks ------------------- Ron Wilson Only someone who understands something absolutely can explain it so no one else can understand it. - Rudnicki's Nobel Prize Principle From daniel.jrm at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 17:52:55 2010 From: daniel.jrm at gmail.com (Daniel Mason) Date: Sat Jan 23 17:57:18 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <1264218313.1913.4.camel@angela> References: <1264218313.1913.4.camel@angela> Message-ID: I'm using http://www.net24.co.nz/ Just the 14.95 Linux one, 80mb for that and Unlimited traffic, next one up has 1gb I think. P.S. I'm not self promoting, but if you wish to check the speed of their sites, this is the one i'm having hosted http://www.twloha.org.nz They had free $75 adwords credit and 4gb usb when i signed up 2 months ago, they might still have it =] On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Ron Wilson wrote: > Any suggestions for a good reasonable web hosting company. > I am looking for a new host and would prefer linux hosting don't mind if > its virtual. Its hard to pick one by just googling. Should have a > reasonable storage capacity and preferably unlimited data transfer. > Reply to me off line if its likely to annoy other users of forum. > > Thanks > > > ------------------- > Ron Wilson > > > Only someone who understands something absolutely can explain it so no > one else can understand it. - Rudnicki's Nobel Prize Principle > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Daniel Mason From jonathan.opperman at xtra.co.nz Sat Jan 23 19:01:09 2010 From: jonathan.opperman at xtra.co.nz (Jonathan Opperman) Date: Sat Jan 23 19:05:35 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Web Hosting Message-ID: <914673.34904.qm@web96004.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi Ron, Why not host your own vm? Google slicehost? What type of pages you look at hosting? Regards, Jonathan On 23/01/2010, at 16:45, Ron Wilson wrote: Any suggestions for a good reasonable web hosting company. I am looking for a new host and would prefer linux hosting don't mind if its virtual. Its hard to pick one by just googling. Should have a reasonable storage capacity and preferably unlimited data transfer. Reply to me off line if its likely to annoy other users of forum. Thanks ------------------- Ron Wilson Only someone who understands something absolutely can explain it so no one else can understand it. - Rudnicki's Nobel Prize Principle _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From zed at zed.net.nz Sat Jan 23 19:07:06 2010 From: zed at zed.net.nz (zed) Date: Sat Jan 23 19:11:29 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Error message on shutdown In-Reply-To: <4B5ADA31.3083.5C444C@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B5ADA31.3083.5C444C@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: "Don Johnston" wrote: > Mint frequently freezes on one of my computers resulting in the need for > forced shutdowns. Usually the problem is at start up but, on one occasion, > when shutting down Mint 5 LTS, lines like the following one appeared on > the screen: > > [ 292.395096] zd1211rw 2-1.1:1.0: zd_chip_control_leds error -110 > > Each line was the same except for the number in brackets. Does anyone know > what this message means? Are you a member of the LinuxMint Forum? If not, would be well worth joining. They are a very friendly and knowledgeable group. Go to http://www.linuxmint.com/forum I've been using Mint since v3.0. Started off dualbooting but have now run Windows 2000 in Virtual Box for the two programs I still need for the Windows platform (Family Historian and Pedigree Assistant). Zed -- zed Some people are only alive because it's illegal to shoot them. From ronw at paradise.net.nz Sat Jan 23 20:46:23 2010 From: ronw at paradise.net.nz (Ron Wilson) Date: Sat Jan 23 20:50:52 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <914673.34904.qm@web96004.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <914673.34904.qm@web96004.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1264232783.1913.6.camel@angela> I just wanted a smallish site for a hobby that I am interested in. Slicehost looks a bit over kill Their cheapest option is $20 per month which I presume is US $ ------------------- Ron Wilson 'Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865) On Fri, 2010-01-22 at 22:01 -0800, Jonathan Opperman wrote: > Hi Ron, > > Why not host your own vm? Google slicehost? What type of pages you look at hosting? > > Regards, > > Jonathan > > On 23/01/2010, at 16:45, Ron Wilson wrote: > > Any suggestions for a good reasonable web hosting company. > I am looking for a new host and would prefer linux hosting don't mind if > its virtual. Its hard to pick one by just googling. Should have a > reasonable storage capacity and preferably unlimited data transfer. > Reply to me off line if its likely to annoy other users of forum. > > Thanks > > > ------------------- > Ron Wilson > > > Only someone who understands something absolutely can explain it so no > one else can understand it. - Rudnicki's Nobel Prize Principle > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From duffyd at kokorice.org Sat Jan 23 20:51:55 2010 From: duffyd at kokorice.org (Tim Knapp) Date: Sat Jan 23 20:55:53 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in your pocket In-Reply-To: <3a0a97521001221715u4f64b948mf22eab36778f81f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <3a0a97521001210747q7e2cca6anc0d16cf7a4ea89cd@mail.gmail.com> <989315.35477.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3a0a97521001211242i12f1a5c9qcec41e948c74c0d3@mail.gmail.com> <3a0a97521001221458v4c1b8b25uaaaf32ee3074523b@mail.gmail.com> <4B5A31FF.6080202@auckland.ac.nz> <3a0a97521001221715u4f64b948mf22eab36778f81f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1264233115.6981.223.camel@monty> Hello again Luke, Just a question on a comment you made earlier re. getting 1d usage time out of your Nexus One - is that the average amount of battery usage time you get for average/heavy usage? Thanks, Tim On Fri, 2010-01-22 at 20:15 -0500, Luke Hutchison wrote: > OK -- I'm actually in the US right now, I'll see if my brother can do > it. When's the next meeting that would have space for this? > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Clark Mills wrote: > > On 23/01/10 11:58, Luke Hutchison wrote: > >> > >> Actually someone > >> previously replied to me suggesting showing the phone at an AuckLUG > >> meeting -- is anyone interested in a 5-10 minute demo of the Nexus One > >> sometime, maybe combined with a short demo of Android > >> development/debugging in Eclipse? > > > > Hi Luke/others. > > > > Yes please!!! :) > > > > That would be fantastic if you could. > > > > Thanks... Clark > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Sat Jan 23 20:55:51 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Sat Jan 23 21:00:16 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <1264218313.1913.4.camel@angela> References: <1264218313.1913.4.camel@angela> Message-ID: <4B5B6257.11470.364AFC@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> > Any suggestions for a good reasonable web hosting company. > I am looking for a new host and would prefer linux hosting don't mind if > its virtual. Its hard to pick one by just googling. Should have a > reasonable storage capacity and preferably unlimited data transfer. > Reply to me off line if its likely to annoy other users of forum. > > Thanks > > > ------------------- > Ron Wilson Which one is most suitable for your needs depends on the nature and purpose of your planned web site and what facilities you require. I am using Web Farm for http://www.demolition.co.nz and Free Parking (a subsidiary of Web Farm) for http://www.ncearevision.co.nz. The first of these used to have high traffic (about 600 visits and 12,000 hits per week) and the second one has high traffic in Term 4 of each year. Those companies use unix. I have used them for a number of years. They are relatively inexpensive and I have always been happy with their service. I don't think they offer unlimited data transfer. I have also used four other web hosting companies. I abandoned one of them for cost reasons and I abandoned another one because of extremely slow speed. I am still using one of the others. Don Johnston From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Sat Jan 23 21:08:07 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Sat Jan 23 21:12:29 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <1264232783.1913.6.camel@angela> References: <914673.34904.qm@web96004.mail.aue.yahoo.com>, <1264232783.1913.6.camel@angela> Message-ID: <4B5B6537.11854.418447@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> > I just wanted a smallish site for a hobby that I am interested in. > Slicehost looks a bit over kill Their cheapest option is $20 per month > which I presume is US $ > > > ------------------- > Ron Wilson > On Fri, 2010-01-22 at 22:01 -0800, Jonathan Opperman wrote: > > > Hi Ron, > > > > Why not host your own vm? Google slicehost? What type of pages you look at hosting? > > > > Regards, > > > > Jonathan > > > > On 23/01/2010, at 16:45, Ron Wilson wrote: > > > > Any suggestions for a good reasonable web hosting company. > > I am looking for a new host and would prefer linux hosting don't mind if > > its virtual. Its hard to pick one by just googling. Should have a > > reasonable storage capacity and preferably unlimited data transfer. > > Reply to me off line if its likely to annoy other users of forum. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > ------------------- > > Ron Wilson > > Free Parking is cheaper than Slicehost if you don't have any special requirements. If you want something cheaper then there are a lot of companies which offer free hosting but if you want to portray a professional image then they would not be suitable. Don Johnston From luke.hutch at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 21:57:47 2010 From: luke.hutch at gmail.com (Luke Hutchison) Date: Sat Jan 23 22:02:31 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in your pocket In-Reply-To: <1264233115.6981.223.camel@monty> References: <3a0a97521001210747q7e2cca6anc0d16cf7a4ea89cd@mail.gmail.com> <989315.35477.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3a0a97521001211242i12f1a5c9qcec41e948c74c0d3@mail.gmail.com> <3a0a97521001221458v4c1b8b25uaaaf32ee3074523b@mail.gmail.com> <4B5A31FF.6080202@auckland.ac.nz> <3a0a97521001221715u4f64b948mf22eab36778f81f5@mail.gmail.com> <1264233115.6981.223.camel@monty> Message-ID: <3a0a97521001230057u13077071re46c7194a17e298e@mail.gmail.com> I meant for average usage, not heavy usage. The battery is 1400mAh on the N1 vs. 1350mAh on the G1 IIRC, but despite the fact that the CPU is running much faster (1GHz on the N1, natively 528MHz on the G1 but capped at 350MHz to save power), the battery seems to last at least 10-15% longer on the N1. This depends on which background services you have running on the phone of course, and how often they wake up, but the screen draws less power on the N1, the 3D accelerator seems to draw less power, and even the GPS seems to draw less power. With really heavy usage the N1's battery won't last all day, but it's good enough that I don't have to worry much about what I use the phone for, which was *not* the case with the G1 (I had to ration my phone usage constantly). The Qualcomm Snapdragon (QSD) in the N1 is a *very* nice piece of silicon, one of the Qualcomm system engineers sat down and showed me some corporate slides one time describing all the cool stuff that processor can do, and it is a significantly more advanced beast than most other SOC designs, both in terms of general features as well as tech specs like bus widths. QSD has hardware acceleration for a lot of different stuff (decoding HD 720p video and various audio formats, crypto, mobile TV decoding, it has a fully programmable DSP, wifi/Bluetooth/3G decoding, etc.). Actually most of those acceleration modules are probably not even used currently in Android but I imagine that will change as the platform matures and more and more products start using QSD, so the OS should only get faster with time. Actually back on battery life -- the JIT compiler for Dalvik (the Android VM) was not quite ready for Android 2.1 so it was disabled, but it will probably be enabled in the next release of Android, and that will increase battery life further because less work will be done per instruction. I met the guy who wrote the JIT last time I visited Google in Mountain View CA, and he showed me (even 9 months ago) the JIT compiler accelerating an application by about 21%. JIT-enabled Dalvik was released in the Android Open Source Project (AOSP) a couple of months ago but disabled by default. I tried it on my G1, and found it crashed the phone too often to be usable, but it's getting close. There's a Dalvik JIT session at Google IO in SFO in May, so they're getting serious about releasing it. Once that happens, you should get a full day's use of your phone even with relatively heavy usage (fingers crossed). On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 2:51 AM, Tim Knapp wrote: > Hello again Luke, > > Just a question on a comment you made earlier re. getting 1d usage time > out of your Nexus One - is that the average amount of battery usage time > you get for average/heavy usage? > > Thanks, > Tim > > On Fri, 2010-01-22 at 20:15 -0500, Luke Hutchison wrote: >> OK -- I'm actually in the US right now, I'll see if my brother can do >> it. ?When's the next meeting that would have space for this? >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Clark Mills wrote: >> > On 23/01/10 11:58, Luke Hutchison wrote: >> >> >> >> Actually someone >> >> previously replied to me suggesting showing the phone at an AuckLUG >> >> meeting -- is anyone interested in a 5-10 minute demo of the Nexus One >> >> sometime, maybe combined with a short demo of Android >> >> development/debugging in Eclipse? >> > >> > Hi Luke/others. >> > >> > Yes please!!! ?:) >> > >> > That would be fantastic if you could. >> > >> > Thanks... ?Clark >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > AuckLUG mailing list >> > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From duffyd at kokorice.org Sat Jan 23 22:44:47 2010 From: duffyd at kokorice.org (Tim Knapp) Date: Sat Jan 23 22:48:44 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in your pocket In-Reply-To: <3a0a97521001230057u13077071re46c7194a17e298e@mail.gmail.com> References: <3a0a97521001210747q7e2cca6anc0d16cf7a4ea89cd@mail.gmail.com> <989315.35477.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3a0a97521001211242i12f1a5c9qcec41e948c74c0d3@mail.gmail.com> <3a0a97521001221458v4c1b8b25uaaaf32ee3074523b@mail.gmail.com> <4B5A31FF.6080202@auckland.ac.nz> <3a0a97521001221715u4f64b948mf22eab36778f81f5@mail.gmail.com> <1264233115.6981.223.camel@monty> <3a0a97521001230057u13077071re46c7194a17e298e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1264239887.6981.228.camel@monty> Excellent, thanks for the detailed update. -Tim On Sat, 2010-01-23 at 03:57 -0500, Luke Hutchison wrote: > I meant for average usage, not heavy usage. The battery is 1400mAh on > the N1 vs. 1350mAh on the G1 IIRC, but despite the fact that the CPU > is running much faster (1GHz on the N1, natively 528MHz on the G1 but > capped at 350MHz to save power), the battery seems to last at least > 10-15% longer on the N1. This depends on which background services > you have running on the phone of course, and how often they wake up, > but the screen draws less power on the N1, the 3D accelerator seems to > draw less power, and even the GPS seems to draw less power. With > really heavy usage the N1's battery won't last all day, but it's good > enough that I don't have to worry much about what I use the phone for, > which was *not* the case with the G1 (I had to ration my phone usage > constantly). > > The Qualcomm Snapdragon (QSD) in the N1 is a *very* nice piece of > silicon, one of the Qualcomm system engineers sat down and showed me > some corporate slides one time describing all the cool stuff that > processor can do, and it is a significantly more advanced beast than > most other SOC designs, both in terms of general features as well as > tech specs like bus widths. QSD has hardware acceleration for a lot > of different stuff (decoding HD 720p video and various audio formats, > crypto, mobile TV decoding, it has a fully programmable DSP, > wifi/Bluetooth/3G decoding, etc.). Actually most of those > acceleration modules are probably not even used currently in Android > but I imagine that will change as the platform matures and more and > more products start using QSD, so the OS should only get faster with > time. > > Actually back on battery life -- the JIT compiler for Dalvik (the > Android VM) was not quite ready for Android 2.1 so it was disabled, > but it will probably be enabled in the next release of Android, and > that will increase battery life further because less work will be done > per instruction. I met the guy who wrote the JIT last time I visited > Google in Mountain View CA, and he showed me (even 9 months ago) the > JIT compiler accelerating an application by about 21%. JIT-enabled > Dalvik was released in the Android Open Source Project (AOSP) a couple > of months ago but disabled by default. I tried it on my G1, and found > it crashed the phone too often to be usable, but it's getting close. > There's a Dalvik JIT session at Google IO in SFO in May, so they're > getting serious about releasing it. Once that happens, you should get > a full day's use of your phone even with relatively heavy usage > (fingers crossed). > > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 2:51 AM, Tim Knapp wrote: > > Hello again Luke, > > > > Just a question on a comment you made earlier re. getting 1d usage time > > out of your Nexus One - is that the average amount of battery usage time > > you get for average/heavy usage? > > > > Thanks, > > Tim > > > > On Fri, 2010-01-22 at 20:15 -0500, Luke Hutchison wrote: > >> OK -- I'm actually in the US right now, I'll see if my brother can do > >> it. When's the next meeting that would have space for this? > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Clark Mills wrote: > >> > On 23/01/10 11:58, Luke Hutchison wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Actually someone > >> >> previously replied to me suggesting showing the phone at an AuckLUG > >> >> meeting -- is anyone interested in a 5-10 minute demo of the Nexus One > >> >> sometime, maybe combined with a short demo of Android > >> >> development/debugging in Eclipse? > >> > > >> > Hi Luke/others. > >> > > >> > Yes please!!! :) > >> > > >> > That would be fantastic if you could. > >> > > >> > Thanks... Clark > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > AuckLUG mailing list > >> > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > >> > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AuckLUG mailing list > >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From rob at webworxshop.com Sun Jan 24 10:47:09 2010 From: rob at webworxshop.com (Robert Connolly) Date: Sun Jan 24 10:50:41 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <1264218313.1913.4.camel@angela> References: <1264218313.1913.4.camel@angela> Message-ID: <1264283229.3385.2.camel@gandalf> On Sat, 2010-01-23 at 16:45 +1300, Ron Wilson wrote: > Any suggestions for a good reasonable web hosting company. > I am looking for a new host and would prefer linux hosting don't mind if > its virtual. Its hard to pick one by just googling. Should have a > reasonable storage capacity and preferably unlimited data transfer. > Reply to me off line if its likely to annoy other users of forum. > > Thanks > I host webworxshop.com on Dreamhost, they're good if you want lots of features already set up (such as mailman lists, etc) but don't go with them if you want something 99-100% reliable. They're also cheap, I pay about NZ$160 for the year. Cheers, Rob From s.ward at auckland.ac.nz Sun Jan 24 10:47:56 2010 From: s.ward at auckland.ac.nz (Stephen Ward) Date: Sun Jan 24 10:52:27 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <4B5B6537.11854.418447@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <914673.34904.qm@web96004.mail.aue.yahoo.com>, <1264232783.1913.6.camel@angela> <4B5B6537.11854.418447@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: <80770D4F-F065-4099-9913-6376B30A9729@auckland.ac.nz> Hostgator.com are awesome. Unlimited most stuff for 10us a month and they have instant Im support. Stephen Ward On 23/01/2010, at 21:13, "Don Johnston" wrote: >> I just wanted a smallish site for a hobby that I am interested in. >> Slicehost looks a bit over kill Their cheapest option is $20 per >> month >> which I presume is US $ >> >> >> ------------------- >> Ron Wilson > >> On Fri, 2010-01-22 at 22:01 -0800, Jonathan Opperman wrote: >> >>> Hi Ron, >>> >>> Why not host your own vm? Google slicehost? What type of pages you >>> look at hosting? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Jonathan >>> >>> On 23/01/2010, at 16:45, Ron Wilson wrote: >>> >>> Any suggestions for a good reasonable web hosting company. >>> I am looking for a new host and would prefer linux hosting don't >>> mind if >>> its virtual. Its hard to pick one by just googling. 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If you want something cheaper then there are a lot of > companies which offer free hosting but if you want to portray a > professional image then they would not be suitable. > > Don Johnston > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From derek at simplehost.co.nz Sun Jan 24 14:15:30 2010 From: derek at simplehost.co.nz (Derek) Date: Sun Jan 24 14:19:58 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <1264218313.1913.4.camel@angela> References: <1264218313.1913.4.camel@angela> Message-ID: <4B5B9F32.7090008@simplehost.co.nz> Hi Ron, Saw your email on the list and thought i'd mention us, check out our site if you're interested and don't hesitate to drop us a line if you have any questions. Cheers, Derek Keightley | Systems Engineer 3061 Great North Road, New Lynn PO Box 108-089, Symonds St Auckland, New Zealand Simplehost Limited Ron Wilson wrote: > Any suggestions for a good reasonable web hosting company. > I am looking for a new host and would prefer linux hosting don't mind if > its virtual. Its hard to pick one by just googling. Should have a > reasonable storage capacity and preferably unlimited data transfer. > Reply to me off line if its likely to annoy other users of forum. > > Thanks > > > ------------------- > Ron Wilson > > > Only someone who understands something absolutely can explain it so no > one else can understand it. - Rudnicki's Nobel Prize Principle > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Jan 25 00:08:21 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Jan 25 00:12:46 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in your pocket In-Reply-To: <3a0a97521001221715u4f64b948mf22eab36778f81f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <3a0a97521001210747q7e2cca6anc0d16cf7a4ea89cd@mail.gmail.com> <989315.35477.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3a0a97521001211242i12f1a5c9qcec41e948c74c0d3@mail.gmail.com> <3a0a97521001221458v4c1b8b25uaaaf32ee3074523b@mail.gmail.com> <4B5A31FF.6080202@auckland.ac.nz> <3a0a97521001221715u4f64b948mf22eab36778f81f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Luke Hutchison wrote: > OK -- I'm actually in the US right now, I'll see if my brother can do > it. ?When's the next meeting that would have space for this? I'm looking for a speaker before organising a meeting. Would love to have someone speak about LCA and generally do a micro-topic sort of a meeting. i.e. lots of speakers talking about whatever they found interesting at LCA or what they're looking forward to in the coming year. Android is definitely on that list as is the Snapdragon processors. Anyone want to volunteer to do a presentation? From gregwiggill at gmail.com Mon Jan 25 14:26:10 2010 From: gregwiggill at gmail.com (Greg Wiggill) Date: Mon Jan 25 14:38:35 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Return of freezes Karmic Koala Message-ID: <1a36613b1001241726s480ab2e4l200e6103e8ce078c@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone, In December 2009 I had some issues with freezes in Karmic Koala which seemed to have settled. It appears they have returned ( with a vengeance ). Last 3 days every 2nd to 3rd episode of switching on PC ends up in hard shutdown. The mouse can move (somewhat erratic) but CANNOT click or do anything , CANNOT use keyboard key combinations. Initially I thought it might have something todo with Firefox , becuase it happenend when I openend firefox . But today I openend Back In Time to make sure I am up to date with backups en there you go again ........... Any ideas or suggestions? I have a root partition and home partition ? complete fresh install and restore home partition regards Greg From cabbagetreecustard at gmail.com Mon Jan 25 20:48:53 2010 From: cabbagetreecustard at gmail.com (Victoria Wood) Date: Mon Jan 25 20:53:16 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Return of freezes Karmic Koala In-Reply-To: <1a36613b1001241726s480ab2e4l200e6103e8ce078c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1a36613b1001241726s480ab2e4l200e6103e8ce078c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Greg Wiggill wrote: > Hi everyone, > > In December 2009 I had some issues with freezes in Karmic Koala which > seemed > to have settled. > It appears they have returned ( with a vengeance ). Last 3 days every 2nd > to 3rd episode of switching on PC ends up in hard shutdown. > The mouse can move (somewhat erratic) but CANNOT click or do anything , > CANNOT use keyboard key combinations. > Initially I thought it might have something todo with Firefox , becuase it > happenend when I openend firefox . But today I openend Back In Time to make > sure I am up to date with backups en there you go again ........... > > Any ideas or suggestions? I have a root partition and home partition > ? complete fresh install and restore home partition > > regards > > Greg > Hi I have had a problem with Karmic locking on restore from Hibernation twice in the past two days. To be honest I have thought it was caused by the battery on my laptop going flat whilst still being logged on (this was to Vista). My PC is twin booted on a Toshiba laptop - Karmic and Vista. I don't use Vista but it is used by other members of my household. It is interesting what you describe sounds exactly what I have noticed but I attributed the problems due to the flat battery combined with continual use of hibernation in a dual partition (ie from both sides). Both systems are up to date. I know the outage cause a problem as I needed to System Restore in Vista and although the first time ubuntu loaded correctly Iost my open programs and Firefox displayed the "I'm embarrassed page". Let me know if you get anywhere. Catherine > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Jan 25 23:27:20 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Jan 25 23:31:43 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Return of freezes Karmic Koala In-Reply-To: References: <1a36613b1001241726s480ab2e4l200e6103e8ce078c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Victoria Wood wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Greg Wiggill wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> In December 2009 I had some issues with freezes in Karmic Koala which >> seemed >> to have settled. >> It appears they have returned ( with a vengeance ). Last 3 days every 2nd >> to ?3rd episode of switching on PC ends up in hard shutdown. >> The mouse can move (somewhat erratic) but CANNOT click or do anything , >> CANNOT use keyboard key combinations. >> Initially I thought it might have something todo with Firefox , becuase it >> happenend when I openend firefox . But today I openend Back In Time to make >> sure I am up to date with backups en there you go again ........... >> >> Any ideas or suggestions? ?I have a root partition and home partition >> ? complete fresh install ?and restore home partition >> >> regards >> >> Greg >> > Hi > I have had a problem with Karmic locking on restore from Hibernation twice > in the past two days. To be honest I have thought it was caused by the > battery on my laptop going flat whilst still being logged on (this was to > Vista). My PC is twin booted on a Toshiba laptop - Karmic and Vista. I don't > use Vista but it is used by other members of my household. It is interesting > what you describe sounds exactly what I have noticed but I attributed the > problems due to the flat battery combined with continual use of hibernation > in a dual partition (ie from both sides). Both systems are up to date. I > know the outage cause a problem as I needed to System Restore in Vista and > although the first time ubuntu loaded correctly Iost my open programs and > Firefox displayed the "I'm embarrassed page". > > Let me know if you get anywhere. > > Catherine Have you got another computer you could use to access the computer when it's crashed? These's a distinct difference between the kernel locking up and X having issues. With the kernel locking up, there's very little you can do. If X locks up though, you can ssh into the computer and have a look at what's causing the issue. If it's the kernel, there's the possibility it's due to a graphics card drive issue. Catherine, yours is almost certainly a problem with Video not reinitialising properly when coming out of hibernation. It's a problem that's existed for ages and attempts are being made to try and improve the situation. They're trying to make it so that you only use the one video driver - both for frame buffer and X though the only video cards I know of which support this at the moment are the Intel cards - whose support has always been flaky at best. The solution? well you could try using a generic driver such as vesa for the card in X or alternatively, I've heard that if your hibernation is triggered by something other than clicking on hibernate (such as closing the laptop up) then you can switch to a terminal (using Ctrl-Alt-F1) and then close the lid. This switches it to the frame buffer device which may have an easier time of being restored. Otherwise there are command line options to hibernate though I'm not sure of the commands. When the computer comes back up, hit Ctrl-Alt-F7 and you should be back in X. Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 02:59:33 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Jan 26 03:26:43 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux Tips Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I'm always kind of surprised at the number of people using the terminal who don't know about auto-complete and was thinking, perhaps we should start up a tips thread. So for those who don't know, when you're typing at the terminal, you can press the tab key. This auto-completes (fills in) the command as much as it can. If you hit tab twice, it'll give you a list of the options. For example, if I type in ss and hit tab, nothing happens as there's a command called ss. If I hit tab a second time, I get ss, ssh, ssh-add etc. Here's one I found last night - and I'm absolutely loving it. Most people know that hitting the up or down cursor key will scroll through your command history. What I'm not sure if a lot of people know though, is that you can search through your history. Okay so there's the history command which can be made useful with grep. But, if you hit Ctrl-R in a terminal and start typing in the command you're after, it looks for commands started with whatever command you typed in and presents the last one to you. Brilliant if you use wget and can't remember a URL to continue downloading a file. Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 03:01:58 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Jan 26 03:29:59 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Linux Tips In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:59 AM, Nevyn wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I'm always kind of surprised at the number of people using the > terminal who don't know about auto-complete and was thinking, perhaps > we should start up a tips thread. > > So for those who don't know, when you're typing at the terminal, you > can press the tab key. This auto-completes (fills in) the command as > much as it can. If you hit tab twice, it'll give you a list of the > options. For example, if I type in ss and hit tab, nothing happens as > there's a command called ss. If I hit tab a second time, I get ss, > ssh, ssh-add etc. > > Here's one I found last night - and I'm absolutely loving it. > Most people know that hitting the up or down cursor key will scroll > through your command history. What I'm not sure if a lot of people > know though, is that you can search through your history. Okay so > there's the history command which can be made useful with grep. But, > if you hit Ctrl-R in a terminal and start typing in the command you're > after, it looks for commands started with whatever command you typed > in and presents the last one to you. Brilliant if you use wget and > can't remember a URL to continue downloading a file. > > Regards, > Nevyn. Ctrl-R Again brings up the next match. From luke.hutch at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 06:31:41 2010 From: luke.hutch at gmail.com (Luke Hutchison) Date: Tue Jan 26 06:37:02 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Linux Tips In-Reply-To: <3a0a97521001250926k6839d895x9e7d9afee99bdd71@mail.gmail.com> References: <3a0a97521001250926k6839d895x9e7d9afee99bdd71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a0a97521001250931r3d4f0280yc287949ceb443ad5@mail.gmail.com> (Oops, sorry about the HTML in the previous email, not sure how many people care but I know this is a Linux mailing list and some people get upset :p ...) One other thing (more advanced) that I have been using extensively lately: xargs, the commandline swiss army knife, is a really useful tool for implementing a work queue in Linux. (xargs is useful for a lot of stuff but has so many different usecases that people should google it if they are not familiar with it.) I do a lot of batch processing so this particular usage is invaluable. -- If you have a bunch of jobs to run that all require different parameters and that potentially take different amounts of time to complete, it?s difficult to schedule them in a way that makes maximum use of the available cores short of using some sort of batch scheduling system, which is overly complicated for a lot of prototyping purposes. It turns out that the xargs command has builtin workqueue scheduling that is really easy to use. basic syntax (assuming you want to run the program ?command? with one parameter, and that you want to have four processes running at any one time): echo param1 param2 param3 param4 param5 param6 | xargs -n1 -P4 command will run command param1 & # & => background command param2 & command param3 & command param4 & then when the first command of those four completes, it will run command param5 & then command param6 &, etc. If your command requires two parameters, do: echo param1a param1b param2a param2b [etc.] | xargs -n2 -P4 command If you have a quad-core processor with hyperthreading, you could do -P8, etc. You can also obviously store the params in a file and do cat file | xargs ? . The nice thing about this approach over batch scheduling for prototyping is that if you hit Ctrl-C, it kills all the child processes. I haven?t experimented yet to find the optimal way to generate a separate logfile for each child process, but I also just discovered PPSS which is a more powerful system for achieving the same thing as xargs, and supports separate logfiles: http://code.google.com/p/ppss/ On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Luke Hutchison wrote: > > Ctrl-A and Ctrl-E get you to the beginning/end of the line. ?Ctrl-U deletes everything from the cursor point to the beginning of the line. ?Ctrl-K deletes (actually "kills", or cuts) to the end of line. ?If you kill/cut something, you can "yank"/paste it back using Ctrl-Y. ?This gives you a commandline clipboard, very useful. ?I do Ctrl-A Ctrl-K all the time to temporarily cut the current command, do something else, then do Ctrl-Y to put it back into the commandline editor again. ?Also if you select with the mouse, at least in gnome-terminal, Ctrl-Shift-C copies and Ctrl-Shift-V pastes. ?Ctrl-Shift-T opens a new tab in the terminal; Ctrl-Pageup/down switches between tabs. > Everyone probably knows this but Ctrl-C cancels the current command that you're editing or that's running. ?Ctrl-D ends an input stream, so if you do cat > file, you can type the new contents of the file and then press Ctrl-D to end. ?Ctrl-D on its own in the terminal commandline is the same as typing "exit". > $_ is the last argument of the previous command, e.g. you can do mkdir -p /home/user/some/really/deep/path, then cd $_ to change to that path. > pushd /some/new/dir/path changes to that new path, and then popd returns you to the previous place you were in. ?Works like a stack, you can do it multiple times. ?cd - (cd followed by hyphen) returns you to the previous directory you were in after a cd command, but only has a history size of one -- like the old Undo on Mac OS 9 and earlier, where undoing twice undoes the undo operation :D > !! repeats the previous command in bash (same number of keystrokes as Up Enter :) ) > !-x (e.g. !-3) repeats the command x slots before the current one in the history. > !x repeats command number x in the history (type 'history' to see command numbers). > ^x^y repeats the previous command, but replaces the first instance of x with y. ?e.g. you do cat /home/user/file, then ^cat^rm > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Nevyn wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:59 AM, Nevyn wrote: >> > Hi Everyone, >> > >> > I'm always kind of surprised at the number of people using the >> > terminal who don't know about auto-complete and was thinking, perhaps >> > we should start up a tips thread. >> > >> > So for those who don't know, when you're typing at the terminal, you >> > can press the tab key. This auto-completes (fills in) the command as >> > much as it can. If you hit tab twice, it'll give you a list of the >> > options. For example, if I type in ss and hit tab, nothing happens as >> > there's a command called ss. If I hit tab a second time, I get ss, >> > ssh, ssh-add etc. >> > >> > Here's one I found last night - and I'm absolutely loving it. >> > Most people know that hitting the up or down cursor key will scroll >> > through your command history. What I'm not sure if a lot of people >> > know though, is that you can search through your history. Okay so >> > there's the history command which can be made useful with grep. But, >> > if you hit Ctrl-R in a terminal and start typing in the command you're >> > after, it looks for commands started with whatever command you typed >> > in and presents the last one to you. Brilliant if you use wget and >> > can't remember a URL to continue downloading a file. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Nevyn. >> >> Ctrl-R Again brings up the next match. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From luke.hutch at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 06:26:50 2010 From: luke.hutch at gmail.com (Luke Hutchison) Date: Tue Jan 26 06:42:10 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Linux Tips In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a0a97521001250926k6839d895x9e7d9afee99bdd71@mail.gmail.com> Ctrl-A and Ctrl-E get you to the beginning/end of the line. Ctrl-U deletes everything from the cursor point to the beginning of the line. Ctrl-K deletes (actually "kills", or cuts) to the end of line. If you kill/cut something, you can "yank"/paste it back using Ctrl-Y. This gives you a commandline clipboard, very useful. I do Ctrl-A Ctrl-K all the time to temporarily cut the current command, do something else, then do Ctrl-Y to put it back into the commandline editor again. Also if you select with the mouse, at least in gnome-terminal, Ctrl-Shift-C copies and Ctrl-Shift-V pastes. Ctrl-Shift-T opens a new tab in the terminal; Ctrl-Pageup/down switches between tabs. Everyone probably knows this but Ctrl-C cancels the current command that you're editing or that's running. Ctrl-D ends an input stream, so if you do cat > file, you can type the new contents of the file and then press Ctrl-D to end. Ctrl-D on its own in the terminal commandline is the same as typing "exit". $_ is the last argument of the previous command, e.g. you can do mkdir -p /home/user/some/really/deep/path, then cd $_ to change to that path. pushd /some/new/dir/path changes to that new path, and then popd returns you to the previous place you were in. Works like a stack, you can do it multiple times. cd - (cd followed by hyphen) returns you to the previous directory you were in after a cd command, but only has a history size of one -- like the old Undo on Mac OS 9 and earlier, where undoing twice undoes the undo operation :D !! repeats the previous command in bash (same number of keystrokes as Up Enter :) ) !-x (e.g. !-3) repeats the command x slots before the current one in the history. !x repeats command number x in the history (type 'history' to see command numbers). ^x^y repeats the previous command, but replaces the first instance of x with y. e.g. you do cat /home/user/file, then ^cat^rm On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Nevyn wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:59 AM, Nevyn wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I'm always kind of surprised at the number of people using the > > terminal who don't know about auto-complete and was thinking, perhaps > > we should start up a tips thread. > > > > So for those who don't know, when you're typing at the terminal, you > > can press the tab key. This auto-completes (fills in) the command as > > much as it can. If you hit tab twice, it'll give you a list of the > > options. For example, if I type in ss and hit tab, nothing happens as > > there's a command called ss. If I hit tab a second time, I get ss, > > ssh, ssh-add etc. > > > > Here's one I found last night - and I'm absolutely loving it. > > Most people know that hitting the up or down cursor key will scroll > > through your command history. What I'm not sure if a lot of people > > know though, is that you can search through your history. Okay so > > there's the history command which can be made useful with grep. But, > > if you hit Ctrl-R in a terminal and start typing in the command you're > > after, it looks for commands started with whatever command you typed > > in and presents the last one to you. Brilliant if you use wget and > > can't remember a URL to continue downloading a file. > > > > Regards, > > Nevyn. > > Ctrl-R Again brings up the next match. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From unclerichard at xtra.co.nz Tue Jan 26 09:09:04 2010 From: unclerichard at xtra.co.nz (Richard Innes) Date: Tue Jan 26 09:15:44 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Return of freezes Karmic Koala In-Reply-To: <1a36613b1001241726s480ab2e4l200e6103e8ce078c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1a36613b1001241726s480ab2e4l200e6103e8ce078c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B5DFA60.7060705@xtra.co.nz> On 1/25/2010 2:26 PM, Greg Wiggill wrote: > Hi everyone, > > In December 2009 I had some issues with freezes in Karmic Koala which seemed > to have settled. > It appears they have returned ( with a vengeance ). Last 3 days every 2nd > to 3rd episode of switching on PC ends up in hard shutdown. > The mouse can move (somewhat erratic) but CANNOT click or do anything , > CANNOT use keyboard key combinations. > Initially I thought it might have something todo with Firefox , becuase it > happenend when I openend firefox . But today I openend Back In Time to make > sure I am up to date with backups en there you go again ........... > > Any ideas or suggestions? I have a root partition and home partition > ? complete fresh install and restore home partition > > regards > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > Could be the graphics card, check fan/s and air vents. Richard I From g.kloss at massey.ac.nz Tue Jan 26 09:37:02 2010 From: g.kloss at massey.ac.nz (Guy K. Kloss) Date: Tue Jan 26 10:03:11 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Linux Tips In-Reply-To: <3a0a97521001250926k6839d895x9e7d9afee99bdd71@mail.gmail.com> References: <3a0a97521001250926k6839d895x9e7d9afee99bdd71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <201001260937.02408.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:26:50 Luke Hutchison wrote: > Ctrl-A and Ctrl-E get you to the beginning/end of the line. Ctrl-U deletes > everything from the cursor point to the beginning of the line. Ctrl-K > deletes (actually "kills", or cuts) to the end of line. If you kill/cut > something, you can "yank"/paste it back using Ctrl-Y. This gives you a > commandline clipboard, very useful. I do Ctrl-A Ctrl-K all the time to > temporarily cut the current command, do something else, then do Ctrl-Y to > put it back into the commandline editor again. Also if you select with the > mouse, at least in gnome-terminal, Ctrl-Shift-C copies and Ctrl-Shift-V > pastes. Ctrl-Shift-T opens a new tab in the terminal; Ctrl-Pageup/down > switches between tabs. Yes, bash actually uses the emacs key bindings. Funnily enough, less uses the vi commands/key bindings. That tells you something about the preferences of the tools originators, doesn't it? ;-) Guy (who loves emacs) -- Guy K. Kloss Institute of Information and Mathematical Sciences Te Kura P?taiao o M?hiohio me P?ngarau Massey University, Albany (North Shore City, Auckland) 473 State Highway 17, Gate 1, Mailroom, Quad B Building voice: +64 9 414-0800 ext. 9585 fax: +64 9 441-8181 G.Kloss@massey.ac.nz http://www.massey.ac.nz/~gkloss From thetoolman at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 10:14:24 2010 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Tue Jan 26 10:18:46 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux Tips In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a few printed out cheat sheets with all these keys; is super handy way to learn them. I can wholeheartedly recommend this guys contributions: http://catonmat.net/projects/cheat-sheets So for bash-emacs, which lists all the keys talked about, see : http://www.catonmat.net/download/readline-emacs-editing-mode-cheat-sheet.pdf "good coders code, great reuse" On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:59 AM, Nevyn wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I'm always kind of surprised at the number of people using the > terminal who don't know about auto-complete and was thinking, perhaps > we should start up a tips thread. > > So for those who don't know, when you're typing at the terminal, you > can press the tab key. This auto-completes (fills in) the command as > much as it can. If you hit tab twice, it'll give you a list of the > options. For example, if I type in ss and hit tab, nothing happens as > there's a command called ss. If I hit tab a second time, I get ss, > ssh, ssh-add etc. > > Here's one I found last night - and I'm absolutely loving it. > Most people know that hitting the up or down cursor key will scroll > through your command history. What I'm not sure if a lot of people > know though, is that you can search through your history. Okay so > there's the history command which can be made useful with grep. But, > if you hit Ctrl-R in a terminal and start typing in the command you're > after, it looks for commands started with whatever command you typed > in and presents the last one to you. Brilliant if you use wget and > can't remember a URL to continue downloading a file. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! From subscribed at gnuzealand.com Tue Jan 26 10:44:35 2010 From: subscribed at gnuzealand.com (Bruce Clement) Date: Tue Jan 26 10:48:59 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Linux Tips In-Reply-To: <201001260937.02408.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> References: <3a0a97521001250926k6839d895x9e7d9afee99bdd71@mail.gmail.com> <201001260937.02408.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <9da4db1f1001251344j3e686921vadcd5254f4deb2a0@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/26 Guy K. Kloss : ... > > Yes, bash actually uses the emacs key bindings. > > Funnily enough, less uses the vi commands/key bindings. bash (and I'm told zsh) can use vi or emacs style bindings. "set -o vi" will switch vi style bindings on for the current shell If you want to make it permanent add the command to ~/.bashrc or ~/.zshrc as appropriate > That tells you something about the preferences of the tools originators, > doesn't it? ;-) Yep. They came from a culture that encouraged personal choice. > > Guy > (who loves emacs) > Bruce (Who secretly prefers wordstar key bindings but can live with vi, emacs or even visual studio bindings because anything's better than ed's) -- Bruce Clement When a co-worker said he didn't want his kids getting the H1N1 vaccine because it was too new and "they haven't tested it enough", I blurted out something like, "So you'd rather test a new and poorly understood virus on them instead?" I'm not entirely proud of fighting vague and irrational fear of the unknown by invoking vague and irrational fear of the unknown, but I think it did make an impression. Petr?a Mitchell From subscribed at gnuzealand.com Tue Jan 26 10:57:10 2010 From: subscribed at gnuzealand.com (Bruce Clement) Date: Tue Jan 26 11:01:51 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Linux Tips In-Reply-To: <9da4db1f1001251344j3e686921vadcd5254f4deb2a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <3a0a97521001250926k6839d895x9e7d9afee99bdd71@mail.gmail.com> <201001260937.02408.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> <9da4db1f1001251344j3e686921vadcd5254f4deb2a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9da4db1f1001251357j48af2a79g7999cf480ab236c0@mail.gmail.com> I should add 2010/1/26 Bruce Clement : > bash (and I'm told zsh) can use vi or emacs style bindings. > > "set -o vi" will switch vi style bindings on for the current shell > You initially start in input mode so you need to press the escape key to get to command mode. It seems counter intuitive to me, but / searches backwards Bruce From ru1812 at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 17:53:09 2010 From: ru1812 at gmail.com (Ru) Date: Tue Jan 26 18:18:14 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Return of freezes Karmic Koala In-Reply-To: <4B5DFA60.7060705@xtra.co.nz> References: <1a36613b1001241726s480ab2e4l200e6103e8ce078c@mail.gmail.com> <4B5DFA60.7060705@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <333b9f7c1001252053i3c74d06et8a8bc52a9c2ae76c@mail.gmail.com> Hi, is your Graphics card Nvidia ? I had a similar problem with older Nvidia cards in Ubuntu and other distros, everything would lock up but I could still move the mouse. I was able to fix this by adding a line to the xorg.conf file. Under section Device I added * Option "NvAgp" "1"* saved and restarted my computer, seem to fix the random lockups. This explains what it does, http://http.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8178/README/appendix-f.html Hope this helps. * * On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Richard Innes wrote: > On 1/25/2010 2:26 PM, Greg Wiggill wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> In December 2009 I had some issues with freezes in Karmic Koala which >> seemed >> to have settled. >> It appears they have returned ( with a vengeance ). Last 3 days every 2nd >> to 3rd episode of switching on PC ends up in hard shutdown. >> The mouse can move (somewhat erratic) but CANNOT click or do anything , >> CANNOT use keyboard key combinations. >> Initially I thought it might have something todo with Firefox , becuase it >> happenend when I openend firefox . But today I openend Back In Time to >> make >> sure I am up to date with backups en there you go again ........... >> >> Any ideas or suggestions? I have a root partition and home partition >> ? complete fresh install and restore home partition >> >> regards >> >> Greg >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> >> > Could be the graphics card, check fan/s and air vents. > > Richard I > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world." ~ Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Imagination is the Key to Success From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Tue Jan 26 22:45:50 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Tue Jan 26 22:53:55 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Return of freezes Karmic Koala In-Reply-To: <1a36613b1001241726s480ab2e4l200e6103e8ce078c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1a36613b1001241726s480ab2e4l200e6103e8ce078c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B5F709E.21455.D87E1E@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> > Hi everyone, > > In December 2009 I had some issues with freezes in Karmic Koala which seemed > to have settled. > It appears they have returned ( with a vengeance ). Last 3 days every 2nd > to 3rd episode of switching on PC ends up in hard shutdown. > The mouse can move (somewhat erratic) but CANNOT click or do anything , > CANNOT use keyboard key combinations. > Initially I thought it might have something todo with Firefox , becuase it > happenend when I openend firefox . But today I openend Back In Time to make > sure I am up to date with backups en there you go again ........... > > Any ideas or suggestions? I have a root partition and home partition > ? complete fresh install and restore home partition > > regards > > Greg During the past week, I have been having problems with Linux Mint 8 (Helena) (which is based on Karmic Koala) freezing on nearly every occasion when booting. I tried Mint 5 LTS and it always froze when shutting down. I tried 64 bit Debian and it hasn't frozen once. I then tried the 64 bit version of Helena and it hasn't frozen once. The 32 bit version of Helena has resumed working on a large proportion of occasions. I am using a dual head Nvidia Quadro FX1400 card. Any theories? I think I will continue using the 64 bit version of Helena. Don Johnston From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Tue Jan 26 22:45:50 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Tue Jan 26 22:59:02 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Pinging problem (was "Folder access problems") In-Reply-To: References: <4B3C6E55.9720.303D6D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz>, <4B4A265E.31788.20F658C@admin.ncearevision.co.nz>, Message-ID: <4B5F709E.27124.D87E7C@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Don Johnston wrote: > > > > The mystery deepens. > > > > I am using a desktop computer running Mint 8 dual bootable with > > Windows and a laptop running Windows. > > > > Today, when running Mint, I was only able to connect using Synergy on > > one occasion. I was only able to ping from one computer to the other > > intermittently. I was able to access the internet from both machines > > except that that failed with Mint on one occasion. > > > > I am having no such problems when running Windows on the desktop > > machine and I was having no such problems a week ago. > > > > As a result, I am wondering if there is a problem with Mint on the > > desktop machine. > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. I have spare hard disks and I > > am wondering if it might be a good idea to try a fresh install of > > Mint on one of them to see if I then have any problems with Synergy. > > > > Don Johnston > > When pinging are you using the ip address or the computer name? If > it's the computer name, try with the ip address. There's a chance it's > the same problem I was seeing when trying to get through a bunch of > the issues you were having. > > Regards, > Nevyn. I have tried pinging IP addresses but without success from 32 and 64 bit Mint and 64 bit Debian. I get a whole lot of lines saying things like 64 bytes from 192.168.2.100 icmp_seq =87 ttl=128 time=0.186 ms Don Johnston From subscribed at gnuzealand.com Tue Jan 26 23:05:17 2010 From: subscribed at gnuzealand.com (Bruce Clement) Date: Tue Jan 26 23:09:52 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Pinging problem (was "Folder access problems") In-Reply-To: <4B5F709E.27124.D87E7C@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B3C6E55.9720.303D6D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <4B4A265E.31788.20F658C@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <4B5F709E.27124.D87E7C@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: <9da4db1f1001260205t624561a4n6d89f5f20542b8a9@mail.gmail.com> "64 bytes from 192.168.2.100 icmp_seq =87 ttl=128 time=0.186 ms" Is a successful return from a ping (Assuming you pinged 192.168.2.100) Regards Bruce 2010/1/26 Don Johnston : >> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Don Johnston wrote: >> > >> > The mystery deepens. >> > >> > I am using a desktop computer running Mint 8 dual bootable with >> > Windows and a laptop running Windows. >> > >> > Today, when running Mint, I was only able to connect using Synergy on >> > one occasion. I was only able to ping from one computer to the other >> > intermittently. I was able to access the internet from both machines >> > except that that failed with Mint on one occasion. >> > >> > I am having no such problems when running Windows on the desktop >> > machine and I was having no such problems a week ago. >> > >> > As a result, I am wondering if there is a problem with Mint on the >> > desktop machine. >> > >> > Any suggestions would be appreciated. I have spare hard disks and I >> > am wondering if it might be a good idea to try a fresh install of >> > Mint on one of them to see if I then have any problems with Synergy. >> > >> > Don Johnston >> >> When pinging are you using the ip address or the computer name? If >> it's the computer name, try with the ip address. There's a chance it's >> the same problem I was seeing when trying to get through a bunch of >> the issues you were having. >> >> Regards, >> Nevyn. > > I have tried pinging IP addresses but without success from 32 and 64 > bit Mint and 64 bit Debian. I get a whole lot of lines saying things > like > > 64 bytes from 192.168.2.100 icmp_seq =87 ttl=128 time=0.186 ms > > Don Johnston > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Bruce Clement When a co-worker said he didn't want his kids getting the H1N1 vaccine because it was too new and "they haven't tested it enough", I blurted out something like, "So you'd rather test a new and poorly understood virus on them instead?" I'm not entirely proud of fighting vague and irrational fear of the unknown by invoking vague and irrational fear of the unknown, but I think it did make an impression. Petr?a Mitchell From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Wed Jan 27 10:24:58 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Wed Jan 27 10:29:03 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Can't share folders Message-ID: <4B60147A.17968.57ECAA@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> I am running Linux Mint 8 (Helena) x64. When I tried to share my home folder I got the message "Failed to execute child process "testparm" (No such file or directory". Don Johnston From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 12:18:30 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Jan 27 12:22:35 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Can't share folders In-Reply-To: <4B60147A.17968.57ECAA@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B60147A.17968.57ECAA@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Don Johnston wrote: > I am running Linux Mint 8 (Helena) x64. When I tried to share my home > folder I got the message "Failed to execute child process "testparm" > (No such file or directory". > > Don Johnston What are you using to share? From rob at webworxshop.com Wed Jan 27 12:38:28 2010 From: rob at webworxshop.com (Robert Connolly) Date: Wed Jan 27 12:42:35 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Can't share folders In-Reply-To: References: <4B60147A.17968.57ECAA@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: <1264549108.2516.2.camel@frodo> On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 12:18 +1300, Nevyn wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Don Johnston wrote: > > I am running Linux Mint 8 (Helena) x64. When I tried to share my home > > folder I got the message "Failed to execute child process "testparm" > > (No such file or directory". > > > > Don Johnston > > What are you using to share? > Doesn't mint have some custom file sharing tool built in? I guess we need an experienced mint user to answer this! Rob From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 27 13:13:42 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Jan 27 13:17:46 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Can't share folders In-Reply-To: <1264549108.2516.2.camel@frodo> References: <4B60147A.17968.57ECAA@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <1264549108.2516.2.camel@frodo> Message-ID: <535725.56416.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> There's a bug in ubuntu (or was it gnome), that was covered a while back, & AFAIK, still not addressed You can right-click on a folder/directory, & do sharing that way, or you can use the samba sharing tool ("shares-admin", or something like that; not sure any more, as I've not used it in a very long time). Changes made ion one area does not reflect in the other. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/192579 I generally use WebMin if I need to admin any such pesky settings, and I'm feeling too lazy to get the syntax right. Install webmin (but disable auto-startup of the daemon), start the service before making the change, make the change, & then disable webmin when done. Might also be a fine idea to restrict authenticated webmin access to localhost (or LAN) - J From sond at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 27 15:07:56 2010 From: sond at ihug.co.nz (sond) Date: Wed Jan 27 15:12:02 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] open office tutorials Message-ID: <4B5F9FFC.9090406@ihug.co.nz> Hey all, one of my managers has suggested we get someone in to do a few OpenOffice tutorials/howto/seminars for certain staff members who find it "not as good as officeXP", anyone out there good at doing that ? please contact me off list cheers sond From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Jan 27 19:46:49 2010 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Jan 27 19:51:10 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] open office tutorials In-Reply-To: <4B5F9FFC.9090406@ihug.co.nz> References: <4B5F9FFC.9090406@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <4B5FE159.2030105@blakjak.net> sond wrote: > Hey all, > > one of my managers has suggested we get someone in to do a few > OpenOffice tutorials/howto/seminars for certain staff members who find > it "not as good as officeXP", > > anyone out there good at doing that ? > > please contact me off list > > cheers For the record http://www.openoffice.org.nz/training.php You may also like to enquire on the NZOSS mailing list, as several folks involved in FLOSS businesses who promote OOo are subscribed and may have pointers. Regards Mark. From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Wed Jan 27 20:38:39 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Wed Jan 27 20:42:42 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Can't share folders In-Reply-To: References: <4B60147A.17968.57ECAA@admin.ncearevision.co.nz>, Message-ID: <4B60A44F.11874.26CEC0@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Don Johnston wrote: > > I am running Linux Mint 8 (Helena) x64. When I tried to share my home > > folder I got the message "Failed to execute child process "testparm" > > (No such file or directory". > > > > Don Johnston > > What are you using to share? I simply right clicked on the folder and selected "Sharing Options". Don Johnston From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Wed Jan 27 21:09:12 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Wed Jan 27 21:13:18 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Can't share folders In-Reply-To: <535725.56416.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4B60147A.17968.57ECAA@admin.ncearevision.co.nz>, <1264549108.2516.2.camel@frodo>, <535725.56416.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B60AB78.19276.42C831@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> > There's a bug in ubuntu (or was it gnome), that was covered a while back, & AFAIK, still not addressed > > You can right-click on a folder/directory, & do sharing that way, or you can use the samba sharing tool ("shares-admin", or something like that; not sure any more, as I've not used it in a very long time). > Changes made ion one area does not reflect in the other. > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/192579 > > I generally use WebMin if I need to admin any such pesky settings, and I'm feeling too lazy to get the syntax right. > Install webmin (but disable auto-startup of the daemon), start the service before making the change, make the change, & then disable webmin when done. Might also be a fine idea to restrict authenticated webmin access to localhost (or LAN) > I tried "shares-admin". I didn't know what "users" to click on. There were many which didn't mean anything to me. Don Johnston From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Wed Jan 27 21:30:47 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Wed Jan 27 21:34:56 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Can't share folders In-Reply-To: <4B60AB78.19276.42C831@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B60147A.17968.57ECAA@admin.ncearevision.co.nz>, <535725.56416.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>, <4B60AB78.19276.42C831@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: <4B60B087.29145.568AB9@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> > > There's a bug in ubuntu (or was it gnome), that was covered a while back, & AFAIK, still not addressed > > > > You can right-click on a folder/directory, & do sharing that way, or you can use the samba sharing tool ("shares-admin", or something like that; not sure any more, as I've not used it in a very long time). > > Changes made ion one area does not reflect in the other. > > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/192579 > > > > I generally use WebMin if I need to admin any such pesky settings, and I'm feeling too lazy to get the syntax right. > > Install webmin (but disable auto-startup of the daemon), start the service before making the change, make the change, & then disable webmin when done. Might also be a fine idea to restrict authenticated webmin access to localhost (or LAN) > > > > I tried "shares-admin". I didn't know what "users" to click on. There > were many which didn't mean anything to me. > > Don Johnston I also got the following messages: don@C2 ~ $ shares-admin (shares-admin:3236): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_entry_set_text: assertion `text != NULL' failed (shares-admin:3236): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_entry_set_text: assertion `text != NULL' failed don@C2 ~ $ Don Johnston From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 27 22:00:14 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Jan 27 22:10:59 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Can't share folders In-Reply-To: <4B60B087.29145.568AB9@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B60147A.17968.57ECAA@admin.ncearevision.co.nz>, <535725.56416.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>, <4B60AB78.19276.42C831@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <4B60B087.29145.568AB9@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: <74064.89318.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >(shares-admin:3236): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_entry_set_text: assertion >`text != NULL' failed >(shares-admin:3236): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_entry_set_text: assertion >`text != NULL' failed dang! looks like something's broken. when's the last time you completed an update/upgrade? you may have to either dpkg-reconfigure or reinstall either samba and/or some gtk libraries. what do you get in dmesg and/or the logs that could shed any light? you may have to get onto the IRC channels to chat with some guys there to possibly get a bit more real-time assistance, or a bit more 1:1 - J From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 23:24:10 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Jan 27 23:28:14 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Can't share folders In-Reply-To: <74064.89318.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4B60147A.17968.57ECAA@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <535725.56416.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4B60AB78.19276.42C831@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <4B60B087.29145.568AB9@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <74064.89318.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >>(shares-admin:3236): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_entry_set_text: assertion > >>`text != NULL' failed > >>(shares-admin:3236): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_entry_set_text: assertion >>`text != NULL' failed > > dang! looks like something's broken. > > when's the last time you completed an update/upgrade? > you may have to either dpkg-reconfigure or reinstall either samba and/or some gtk libraries. > > what do you get in dmesg and/or the logs that could shed any light? > > you may have to get onto the IRC channels to chat with some guys there to possibly get a bit more real-time assistance, or a bit more 1:1 > > - J Nevermind the GTK stuff. Here's one of the big advantages to the command prompt: Samba is still samba or ftp is still ftp or whatever. Regardless of problems of the GUI the underlining technology is still solid as a solid thing. If we were to presume that this is a samba thing, then have a look at /etc/samba.conf and have a look at the path that you're trying to share. Changes are, there's something wrong like it's missing a "\" in front of a space or something. Once you've figured out what's wrong from that level, you can not only report a bug, but be able to report EXACTLY what's going on. Regards, Nevyn. From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Sun Jan 31 19:36:56 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Sun Jan 31 19:37:06 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Can't keep display settings In-Reply-To: References: <4B3BB898.30494.189F77@admin.ncearevision.co.nz>, <102884.87023.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: <4B65DBD8.7404.52A3B3@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Jaco van der Merwe > wrote: > > Run the config tool as sudo, or chmod /etc/X11/xorg.conf +rw > > It's a permissions thing > > > > - J > > Helped Don out the other day. Yep, definitely a persmissions thing. > Changing the permissions of /etc/X11/xorg.conf (and the back up file) > helped little as the tool changed everything back so it was only good > once. > > The only reliable way of doing this was running the tool with gksudo. > Something along the lines of "gksudo nvidia-settings". Best way to > deal with this would probably be to change the short cut. > > Regards, > Nevyn. I ran into the same problem with another implementation of Linux Mint 8 (Helena) on a hard disk which I use for testing purposes. When I tried to save the configuration file I got the message "Failed to parse existing X configuration file 'etc/X11/xorg.conf'!". I tried again after changing to root. I got the same message and what appeared in the terminal was as follows: don@C2 ~ $ sudo -i [sudo] password for don: C2 ~ # gksudo nvidia-settings VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Undefined Device "(null)" referenced by Screen "Default Screen". C2 ~ # Don Johnston