From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 10:43:06 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Feb 1 10:43:22 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Can't keep display settings In-Reply-To: <4B65DBD8.7404.52A3B3@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B3BB898.30494.189F77@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <102884.87023.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4B65DBD8.7404.52A3B3@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Don Johnston wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Jaco van der Merwe >> wrote: >> > Run the config tool as sudo, or chmod /etc/X11/xorg.conf +rw >> > It's a permissions thing >> > >> > - J >> >> Helped Don out the other day. Yep, definitely a persmissions thing. >> Changing the permissions of /etc/X11/xorg.conf (and the back up file) >> helped little as the tool changed everything back so it was only good >> once. >> >> The only reliable way of doing this was running the tool with gksudo. >> Something along the lines of "gksudo nvidia-settings". Best way to >> deal with this would probably be to change the short cut. >> >> Regards, >> Nevyn. > > I ran into the same problem with another implementation of Linux Mint > 8 (Helena) on a hard disk which I use for testing purposes. When I > tried to save the configuration file I got the message "Failed to > parse existing X configuration file ?'etc/X11/xorg.conf'!". I tried > again after changing to root. I got the same message and what > appeared in the terminal was as follows: > > don@C2 ~ $ sudo -i > [sudo] password for don: > > C2 ~ # gksudo nvidia-settings > > VALIDATION ERROR: ?Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf. > Undefined Device "(null)" referenced by Screen "Default Screen". > > C2 ~ # > > Don Johnston Possibly remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf?? From steven at openmedia.co.nz Tue Feb 2 13:42:34 2010 From: steven at openmedia.co.nz (Steven Ellis) Date: Tue Feb 2 13:42:49 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meetings In-Reply-To: References: <004801ca9681$89843150$9c8c93f0$@co.nz> <923844.8328.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53553.60.234.49.2.1265071354.squirrel@webmail.stevencherie.net> On Mon, January 18, 2010 10:42 am, Nevyn wrote: > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Jaco van der Merwe > wrote: >>>I'd really like a workshop (100% whiteboard is ok) about SOHO network >>> design >>>and security. From firewall through (v)servers for DMZ, DNS, mail, >>> backup, >>>asterisk, radius, wifi and troubleshooting. I know google is our friend >>> (at >>>least for search, at the moment anyway...) but I'm bashing my head >>> against >>>network concepts relating to these things for 80% of the time I spend >>>fooling with them. Networking is a BIG thing! >> >> Yea, networking gets crazy complicated. IPv6 is only going to complicate >> things even more. >> >> I'm keen for some sort of a workshop too, but I'm also curious to know >> what went down @ LCA. >> I'd like to see more on the VoIP fornt; I can help a bit with networking >> & firewalls (FYI re firewalls; look at pfSense, or IPCop if you need >> something simpler) >> >> - J > > If someone wants to present on the LCA for early February give me a > shout. I'll do all the venue sorting and that sort of thing if I know > I've got a speaker/speakers.. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > I'm more than happy to do part of an LCA overview sessions if anyone is interested. Steve -------------------------------------------- Steven Ellis - Technical Director OpenMedia Limited - The Home of myPVR email - steven@openmedia.co.nz website - http://www.openmedia.co.nz From erkel at lostangel.geek.nz Thu Feb 4 16:49:56 2010 From: erkel at lostangel.geek.nz (Stephen Sheehan) Date: Thu Feb 4 16:50:06 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] RHEL clustering and Xen virtualisation 101 Message-ID: <7142636a1002031949s4521a36aj981b068d380163ae@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Are there any RHEL gods out there that know clustering and Xen on RHEL off by heart. I need a quick 101 session in Auckland before next week. I am a Ubuntu boy at the mo, been using linux on and off for 15 years, so needs to be pretty technical and from experience, the good, the bad and the nasty on the RHEL side of things with respect to Clustering and Xen. Can provide $$$ and beer to a suitable person who is willing to fill my brain with the required knowledge. Hardware wise half a dozen amazon EC2 instances are just a few clicks away if required etc. Please contact me off list Cheers Stephen From nevynh at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 00:09:48 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sat Feb 6 00:09:59 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? Message-ID: Hi Guys, We've had an offer from Mark Osbourne from Albany Senior High School to possibly host some meetings there this year. A few years ago I remember people talking about possibly having meetings over the shore. Well nows you're time - if you're interested. I'm rather looking forward to the prospect of having Mark (and possibly Glen) walk us around showing us the system and explain the implementation. Now here's the thing. I'm going to have to get a tad negative here. I need to have an idea of numbers. I am not going to do this blind. i.e. organise a meeting and find only 3 people turn up. So your participation in this email if you're interested is very much appreciated. If you don't speak up, I will be doing nothing to get this going. As for everyone else - I don't propose any change whatsoever to the AuckLUG meetings in Auckland City. These are still to go ahead as normal. It's only once a month and it's great putting faces to names. So I figure offset the North Shore meetings by two weeks. Another question was also put forward by a friend - where does Hibiscus Coast LUG hold their meetings? Potentially we'd be alienating most of our members by going that far out when an invite to HBCLUG might server better... Regards, Nevyn. From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Sat Feb 6 12:19:37 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Sat Feb 6 12:19:44 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Virtual Box Message-ID: <4B6D5E59.18725.AC6201@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> When installing Linux Mint 8 (Helena) as a guest on Virtual Box, I am asked for the distro type. Mint isn't listed. Should I choose "Ubuntu" or "Other"? I haven't encountered any problems as a result of treating Mint as Ubuntu when using VMware Server 1. Don Johnston From djlewis78 at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 12:51:56 2010 From: djlewis78 at gmail.com (Daniel Lewis) Date: Sat Feb 6 12:52:10 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Virtual Box In-Reply-To: <4B6D5E59.18725.AC6201@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B6D5E59.18725.AC6201@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: <416653941002051551yce470cawbcdcbb13cb54e142@mail.gmail.com> others will be perfectly fine, all it does (from what i understand) is set up the recommended values for things such as memory etc. daniel On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Don Johnston wrote: > When installing Linux Mint 8 (Helena) as a guest on Virtual Box, I am > asked for the distro type. Mint isn't listed. Should I choose > "Ubuntu" or "Other"? I haven't encountered any problems as a result > of treating Mint as Ubuntu when using VMware Server 1. > > Don Johnston > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 08:45:01 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sun Feb 7 08:45:09 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Virtual Box In-Reply-To: <416653941002051551yce470cawbcdcbb13cb54e142@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B6D5E59.18725.AC6201@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <416653941002051551yce470cawbcdcbb13cb54e142@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Besides which, given that Mint is an Ubuntu derivative, it's probably a good idea use that. There is a difference Daniel - had a vm which would install properly. Think I was using pfsense with the VM on a Linux setting rather than BSD. Just wouldn't boot the live media. On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Daniel Lewis wrote: > others will be perfectly fine, all it does (from what i understand) is set > up the recommended values for things such as memory etc. > > daniel > > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Don Johnston wrote: > >> When installing Linux Mint 8 (Helena) as a guest on Virtual Box, I am >> asked for the distro type. Mint isn't listed. Should I choose >> "Ubuntu" or "Other"? I haven't encountered any problems as a result >> of treating Mint as Ubuntu when using VMware Server 1. >> >> Don Johnston From sond at ihug.co.nz Mon Feb 8 08:23:22 2010 From: sond at ihug.co.nz (sond@ihug.co.nz) Date: Mon Feb 8 08:23:34 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS =?UTF-8?Q?meetings=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <359ac2840260ad3a7c650203c6dfeb9d@vodafone.co.nz> Count me in. HBCLUG..? hmmm do we even have meetings ? sond On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 00:09:48 +1300, Nevyn wrote: > Hi Guys, > > We've had an offer from Mark Osbourne from Albany Senior High School > to possibly host some meetings there this year. A few years ago I > remember people talking about possibly having meetings over the shore. > Well nows you're time - if you're interested. I'm rather looking > forward to the prospect of having Mark (and possibly Glen) walk us > around showing us the system and explain the implementation. > > Now here's the thing. I'm going to have to get a tad negative here. I > need to have an idea of numbers. I am not going to do this blind. i.e. > organise a meeting and find only 3 people turn up. So your > participation in this email if you're interested is very much > appreciated. If you don't speak up, I will be doing nothing to get > this going. > > As for everyone else - I don't propose any change whatsoever to the > AuckLUG meetings in Auckland City. These are still to go ahead as > normal. It's only once a month and it's great putting faces to names. > So I figure offset the North Shore meetings by two weeks. > > Another question was also put forward by a friend - where does > Hibiscus Coast LUG hold their meetings? Potentially we'd be alienating > most of our members by going that far out when an invite to HBCLUG > might server better... > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 08:48:42 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Feb 8 08:48:50 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? In-Reply-To: <359ac2840260ad3a7c650203c6dfeb9d@vodafone.co.nz> References: <359ac2840260ad3a7c650203c6dfeb9d@vodafone.co.nz> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:23 AM, wrote: > Count me in. > > HBCLUG..? hmmm do we even have meetings ? > > sond :) You're a member? Perhaps HBCLUG could have some Albany based meetings? I know this great venue ;) From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 8 09:20:09 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Feb 8 09:20:19 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <338371.17009.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I'm pretty keen on keen a few meetings on the 'shore (know of a few others that may appreciate it too), and *very* interested in the ASHS implementation - J From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Mon Feb 8 14:02:32 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Mon Feb 8 14:03:19 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Virtual Box screen size Message-ID: <4B701978.31898.1789EEA@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> I have 32 bit Linux Mint 8 (Helena) as a virtual machine in Virtual Box with 64 bit Helena as the host. When I change to full screen, the guest still only occupies the same small part of the screen. All that changes is that the background changes from grey to black and the Virtual Box menu moves to a disappearing one at the bottom of the screen. This is just one of the multitude of problems which I am having with this virtual machine. More of that later after I have got this problem sorted out. Don Johnston From toniosm at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 03:57:06 2010 From: toniosm at gmail.com (Antonio San Miguel) Date: Tue Feb 9 03:57:14 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Spare freebies anyone? Message-ID: <99ab0c041002080657r64c455a7wa70233177fb4b6de@mail.gmail.com> Hi there, Tony here from University of Auckland LUG. We're planning on doing some publicity in uni during the first week of classes (early March) and we figured it would be nice if we could give away some stuff. So we were wondering if some of you guys have some extra stuff that you're willing to part with that we could give to the students. Right now, all we have are some Ubuntu CDs so any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. P.S. Nevyn/Jaco: Are you still interested in holding SFD in Uni like last year? From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 9 09:51:29 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Feb 9 09:51:38 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Spare freebies anyone? In-Reply-To: <99ab0c041002080657r64c455a7wa70233177fb4b6de@mail.gmail.com> References: <99ab0c041002080657r64c455a7wa70233177fb4b6de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <115665.29850.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >Are you still interested in holding SFD in Uni like last year? Hi Antonio, There should still be a few freebies floating around from the last SFD. You can source Ubuntu stock from shipit.ubuntu.com, & speak to Graham Lauder re openSuSE & OpenOffice stock & to Mr.Roland Feurer from Ingram Micro re RedHat/Fedora goodies (a great bunch of guys, all of them) I'm not quite sure who the local reps are for Mandriva; you may have to ask either Vik or Don on that one. Kennedy was also a real big help on campus last year, so it may be a good idea to ask her to participate. It's probably a good time to start working on getting ready for the upcoming SFD, like registering our participation at the global site, getting a page & marketing ready, chatting to the e-day (IT recycling) people (merge event/day), sposorship, that sort of thing. I would also very strongly suggest chatting to Mr.Osborne from the ASHS, to coordinate any effort with them, as they've made some really significant gains for FLOSS in Auckland recently, and they represent a significant portion of or potential market (i.e kids & their parents) Unfortunately I will be taking a less active role this year, as I have some other pretty big things coming up around that time. But I will attend the day with friends & family, to lend our support Cheers - Jaco From zed at zed.net.nz Tue Feb 9 07:00:45 2010 From: zed at zed.net.nz (Zed) Date: Tue Feb 9 09:52:53 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Spare freebies anyone? In-Reply-To: <99ab0c041002080657r64c455a7wa70233177fb4b6de@mail.gmail.com> References: <99ab0c041002080657r64c455a7wa70233177fb4b6de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Antonio San Miguel wrote: > Hi there, Tony here from University of Auckland LUG. > > We're planning on doing some publicity in uni during the first week of > classes (early March) and we figured it would be nice if we could give > away some stuff. So we were wondering if some of you guys have some extra > stuff that you're willing to part with that we could give to the students. > Right now, all we have are some Ubuntu CDs so any help would be greatly > appreciated. I have some professionally produced copies of LinuxMint v7.0 if you are interested. You may either pick them up from me in Henderson, or I'll deliver if you provide an address. Regards Zed -- zed COMPUTER DEPARTMENT - mistake$ made whyle you waite. From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 11:17:34 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Feb 9 11:17:42 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Spare freebies anyone? In-Reply-To: <99ab0c041002080657r64c455a7wa70233177fb4b6de@mail.gmail.com> References: <99ab0c041002080657r64c455a7wa70233177fb4b6de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:57 AM, Antonio San Miguel wrote: > > P.S. Nevyn/Jaco: Are you still interested in holding SFD in Uni like last > year? Not sure how involved Jaco's going to be this year. He's gonna be a dad. I'll say a provisional yes for now. For the rest of you, were you quite happy with the venue for last years SFD? From jj.walker at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 11:20:55 2010 From: jj.walker at gmail.com (Jamie Walker) Date: Tue Feb 9 11:21:04 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Spare freebies anyone? In-Reply-To: References: <99ab0c041002080657r64c455a7wa70233177fb4b6de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Nevyn wrote: > For the rest of you, were you quite happy with the venue for last years SFD? We'd have to see about getting actual connectivity in there, but otherwise it worked for me. -- Gmail/Gtalk/MSN: jj.walker@gmail.com (or shout loudly) From g.kloss at massey.ac.nz Tue Feb 9 14:59:14 2010 From: g.kloss at massey.ac.nz (Guy K. Kloss) Date: Tue Feb 9 14:57:18 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? In-Reply-To: <338371.17009.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <338371.17009.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <201002091459.14592.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:20:09 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > I'm pretty keen on keen a few meetings on the 'shore (know of a few others > that may appreciate it too), and very interested in the ASHS > implementation +1 from my side. On a side note: If this is a meeting proposed alongside any AuckLUG meetings (i. e. they're not replacing them, but additional), I'd propose to avoid meeting time conflicts. As many organisations are holding meetings at the first XXX of each month, I'd suggest to go for a second, third or last XXX of the month. Guy -- Guy K. Kloss Institute of Information and Mathematical Sciences Te Kura P?taiao o M?hiohio me P?ngarau Massey University, Albany (North Shore City, Auckland) 473 State Highway 17, Gate 1, Mailroom, Quad B Building voice: +64 9 414-0800 ext. 9585 fax: +64 9 441-8181 G.Kloss@massey.ac.nz http://www.massey.ac.nz/~gkloss From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 9 15:55:59 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Feb 9 15:56:28 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? In-Reply-To: <201002091459.14592.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> References: <338371.17009.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <201002091459.14592.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <22282.95839.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >(i. e. they're not replacing them, but additional) Understood. I'd suggest just trying 1 meeting up north & see how it goes (who knows? maybe there are more people north than south...), before making such a big commitment (either adding more meetings, or moving them completely). The various UG's are numerous, so trying to squeeze in any more at this stage may encroach on others' time - J From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 15:59:09 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Feb 9 15:59:15 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? In-Reply-To: <201002091459.14592.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> References: <338371.17009.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <201002091459.14592.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Guy K. Kloss wrote: > On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:20:09 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >> I'm pretty keen on keen a few meetings on the 'shore (know of a few others >> ?that may appreciate it too), and very interested in the ASHS >> ?implementation > > +1 from my side. > > On a side note: If this is a meeting proposed alongside any AuckLUG meetings > (i. e. they're not replacing them, but additional), I'd propose to avoid > meeting time conflicts. As many organisations are holding meetings at the > first XXX of each month, I'd suggest to go for a second, third or last XXX of > the month. > > Guy Yep.. Was thinking about offsetting by 2 weeks. So 2 weeks after the AuckLUG meeting. However, we're getting well ahead of ourselves (and EVERYONE seems to be suggesting dates/days - http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/The_Bikeshed_Anti-Pattern) Can we please refrain from trying to get a date until we know there's enough people interested in such a meeting? So far the count is at 4. I know that there are some lurkers and the like about who never post but would come along. I can't quantify that though so everyone, if you think you might be interested, seriously, I need participation. You can reply to me offlist if you like. This is not going to happen if you sit on the side lines. Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 16:03:48 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Feb 9 16:04:21 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? In-Reply-To: <22282.95839.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <338371.17009.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <201002091459.14592.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> <22282.95839.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >>(i. e. they're not replacing them, but additional) > > Understood. > I'd suggest just trying 1 meeting up north & see how it goes (who knows? maybe there are more people north than south...), before making such a big commitment (either adding more meetings, or moving them completely). > > The various UG's are numerous, so trying to squeeze in any more at this stage may encroach on others' time > > - J Nup. Not doing it. There is absolutely no reason not to register interest. If there's 10 or more people interested, then it's probably just enough to go on with. But I will not spend time organising something like this just to see IF people will turn up. In otherwords, register or your interest. There will be no moving of AuckLUG meetings completely. Jaco - please refrain from making comments like this. It only serves to add uncertainty and quite frankly, it doesn't help anyone. Regards, Nevyn. From g.kloss at massey.ac.nz Tue Feb 9 16:17:39 2010 From: g.kloss at massey.ac.nz (Guy K. Kloss) Date: Tue Feb 9 16:15:44 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? In-Reply-To: References: <201002091459.14592.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <201002091617.39514.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:59:09 Nevyn wrote: > Can we please refrain from trying to get a date until we know there's > enough people interested in such a meeting? Well, the input was just meant as food for thought. *Not* an attempt to find a date, yet, but something to consider for the future to avoid collisions. But I see that you've thought of that already (time offset), so that's good. > So far the count is at 4. I know that there are some lurkers and the > like about who never post but would come along. I can't quantify that > though so everyone, if you think you might be interested, seriously, I > need participation. You can reply to me offlist if you like. This is > not going to happen if you sit on the side lines. I know there are (quite?) a few Linux interested folks here @ Massey who would *never* post to a mailing list or announce any interest, as they just can't be bothered. However, they'd be interested to troll along to some meetings if the effort (of going to CBD and facing parking mania) is not too high. Guy -- Guy K. Kloss Institute of Information and Mathematical Sciences Te Kura P?taiao o M?hiohio me P?ngarau Massey University, Albany (North Shore City, Auckland) 473 State Highway 17, Gate 1, Mailroom, Quad B Building voice: +64 9 414-0800 ext. 9585 fax: +64 9 441-8181 G.Kloss@massey.ac.nz http://www.massey.ac.nz/~gkloss From rosscoad at slingshot.co.nz Tue Feb 9 16:42:30 2010 From: rosscoad at slingshot.co.nz (Ross) Date: Tue Feb 9 16:43:00 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? In-Reply-To: References: <338371.17009.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <201002091459.14592.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <4B70D9A6.3050204@slingshot.co.nz> Nevyn wrote: > So far the count is at 4. I know that there are some lurkers and the > like about who never post but would come along. I can't quantify that > though so everyone, if you think you might be interested, seriously, I > need participation. You can reply to me offlist if you like. This is > not going to happen if you sit on the side lines. > Count me in. Regards, Ross. From srdan.dukic at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 17:09:19 2010 From: srdan.dukic at gmail.com (Srdan Dukic) Date: Tue Feb 9 17:09:30 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Creating your own RPM Message-ID: <4c2ae0691002082009o342e2083g636e3984d2ed1f7c@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I've installed a package (php-pecl-mailparse) from the DAG repositories[1], but have found that the php code causes a segfault when it tries to use this module. I've looked at the upstream project and found that the package is out of date (version 2.1.1 as opposed to the latest version of 2.1.5) by about 2-4 years. I've also found a bug[2] which was fixed in the later versions, which looks like it could be causing my problem. I've contacted the maintainer of the package (Dag Wieers), but haven't gotten any response. My feeling is that he is either busy or uninterested. My question is whether anyone has any experience with rolling their own RPM's? My first though was to "unbundle" the downloaded RPM and figure out how the upstream code fits in and just replace it with the newer version, update the relevant install/uninstall scripts and bundle it up again. However, I have no idea how to go about this and haven't had much luck with Google. The other thing that might take a bit of time is that this is a PHP module and I'm probably going to have to get the full PHP source in order to compile the module. Does anyone know if it's possible to compile a module just by itself, without having to compile the rest of PHP as well? Thank you [1]http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/ [2]http://pecl.php.net/bugs/bug.php?id=7722 -- Sr?an ?uki? From nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz Tue Feb 9 17:25:04 2010 From: nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz (Glen Ogilvie) Date: Tue Feb 9 17:25:14 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Creating your own RPM In-Reply-To: <4c2ae0691002082009o342e2083g636e3984d2ed1f7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c2ae0691002082009o342e2083g636e3984d2ed1f7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5ea10f6824a2d3d9a12c1e1650fbc5cb@localhost> Hi Srdan, Your on the right track to unbundle the existing rpm, then update the source and compile scripts for it. To do that, get the src.rpm file for the rpm you want to rebuild.. You can find this from rpm -qi on the old rpm. When you have the src.rpm downloaded, install it (this can be done as yourself on modern versions of Mandriva and Fedora). You will need the rpmbuild package installed as well. src.rpm files install into either /usr/src/rpm or on modern version, into your home directory. Then find the rpmname.spec file in the SPECS directory and start with editing that. RPMs are rebuilt using rpmbuild -ba specfile. I suggest looking at: http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/ http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Mandriva_RPM_HOWTO and doing a google search for: rpm spec files. The fedora project has some documentation as well. Regards Glen On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:09:19 +1300, Srdan Dukic wrote: > Hi, > > I've installed a package (php-pecl-mailparse) from the DAG > repositories[1], but have found that the php code causes a segfault > when it tries to use this module. I've looked at the upstream project > and found that the package is out of date (version 2.1.1 as opposed to > the latest version of 2.1.5) by about 2-4 years. I've also found a > bug[2] which was fixed in the later versions, which looks like it > could be causing my problem. > > I've contacted the maintainer of the package (Dag Wieers), but haven't > gotten any response. My feeling is that he is either busy or > uninterested. > > My question is whether anyone has any experience with rolling their > own RPM's? My first though was to "unbundle" the downloaded RPM and > figure out how the upstream code fits in and just replace it with the > newer version, update the relevant install/uninstall scripts and > bundle it up again. However, I have no idea how to go about this and > haven't had much luck with Google. > > The other thing that might take a bit of time is that this is a PHP > module and I'm probably going to have to get the full PHP source in > order to compile the module. Does anyone know if it's possible to > compile a module just by itself, without having to compile the rest of > PHP as well? > > Thank you > > [1]http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/ > [2]http://pecl.php.net/bugs/bug.php?id=7722 From scottn at ihug.co.nz Tue Feb 9 18:06:21 2010 From: scottn at ihug.co.nz (Scott Newton) Date: Tue Feb 9 18:06:45 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Creating your own RPM In-Reply-To: <4c2ae0691002082009o342e2083g636e3984d2ed1f7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c2ae0691002082009o342e2083g636e3984d2ed1f7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <201002091806.22457.scottn@ihug.co.nz> Have a look at checkinstall (http://www.asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/) - it doesn't cover every eventuality but you don't need to know how to write a spec file. -- Regards Scott Newton From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 20:43:28 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Feb 9 20:43:39 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? In-Reply-To: <201002091617.39514.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> References: <201002091459.14592.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> <201002091617.39514.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Guy K. Kloss wrote: > On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:59:09 Nevyn wrote: > > I know there are (quite?) a few Linux interested folks here @ Massey who would > *never* post to a mailing list or announce any interest, as they just can't be > bothered. However, they'd be interested to troll along to some meetings if the > effort (of going to CBD and facing parking mania) is not too high. > > Guy That gives a safety margin. i.e. if I look for a minimum of 10 people, but can't get a date that suits everyone, so some of those 10 are discluded, then there are always going to be those people who haven't been bothered or don't want to commit (though committing some interest isn't really an excuse - I mean, it'd be like saying "I might be interested".) to fill things out a bit. What I really don't want to be doing is doing it as a completely unknown. From this group I think we had 4 people at last years ASHS SFD event - with a fifth turning up after everything was well and truly done. In otherwords, it really isn't worth it if we get those same sort of numbers. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Feb 10 09:34:30 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Feb 10 09:34:44 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? In-Reply-To: References: <201002091459.14592.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> <201002091617.39514.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <238803.73641.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >we had 4 people at last years ASHS SFD event True, but that event was for the benefit of the kids & their parents, and I got hopelessly lost trying to find the place; I actually asked for directions from parents going to a play, and even they had no idea. & Friday-afternoon/evening is actually a terrible time to have anything, other than drinks Advance notice & a OSM/gmaps location my resolve that - J From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 10:13:09 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Feb 10 10:13:18 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? In-Reply-To: <238803.73641.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <201002091459.14592.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> <201002091617.39514.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> <238803.73641.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >>we had 4 people at last years ASHS SFD event > > True, but that event was for the benefit of the kids & their parents, and I got hopelessly lost trying to find the place; I actually asked for directions from parents going to a play, and even they had no idea. > & Friday-afternoon/evening is actually a terrible time to have anything, other than drinks > > Advance notice & a OSM/gmaps location my resolve that > > - J Okay make as many excuses as you like. The simple fact of the matter is that nothing is going to be happening until enough people put their hands up. I am really not interested in organising a meeting in the hope someone will come. Fair enough? Jaco: The LUG is not moving because someone has moved and it'd be more convenient for them. Blind meetings outside of our usual demographic will not be happening especially if it results in members suggesting that things could be made permanent. Can you please stop pushing for the blind meeting? - it is not happening. 10 hands up. Not that much to ask... We have 6 at the moment - I'm guessing you're putting your hand up too Jaco? in which case that's 7. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Feb 10 10:55:20 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Feb 10 10:55:44 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? In-Reply-To: References: <201002091459.14592.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> <201002091617.39514.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> <238803.73641.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <287868.31107.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >The LUG is not moving because someone has moved I am not & have not suggested that the "official" LUG meetings move outside the city-center, or anything even remotely along those lines. I am not too sure what you mean by "permanent"; pretty-much the only space we've used for more than 2 consecutive meetings has been RvB, and they've closed down (they're opening 2 more stores elsewhere) We've been offered the opportunity to see what's been done up north, and I am very interested to know what's happening, as the achievement intersect with some of my own interests: VM's, education & FLOSS in the public space (amongst others). There have been several hints dropped over the last few years that we accommodate those in the north (if only occasionally; this was a talking-point back when the regular LUG meeting where picking up again, but not really addressed), & this is such an opportunity >I'm guessing you're putting your hand up too I have already, in response to you original request (origin of this thread) Look, either way is fine by me, you know you have my support whatever you decide. Is there a date? What are the talking-points? (LCA?) - J From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Wed Feb 10 12:23:54 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Wed Feb 10 12:28:13 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? In-Reply-To: <287868.31107.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: , , <287868.31107.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B72A55A.25426.1937EE@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Maybe asking the Hibiscus Coast LUG for expressions of interest might be worthwhile. I noticed that a member mentioned on this list that that LUG doesn't have regular meetings. Don Johnston From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 13:00:04 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Feb 10 13:05:32 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? In-Reply-To: <4B72A55A.25426.1937EE@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <287868.31107.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4B72A55A.25426.1937EE@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Don Johnston wrote: > Maybe asking the Hibiscus Coast LUG for expressions of interest might > be worthwhile. I noticed that a member mentioned on this list that > that LUG doesn't have regular meetings. > > Don Johnston I'm already on to this. It's just that I've got nothing concrete to tell you guys yet. From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 13:25:35 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Feb 10 13:25:45 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? In-Reply-To: <287868.31107.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <201002091459.14592.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> <201002091617.39514.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> <238803.73641.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <287868.31107.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >>The LUG is not moving because someone has moved > I am not & have not suggested that the "official" LUG meetings move outside the city-center, or anything even remotely along those lines. > I am not too sure what you mean by "permanent"; pretty-much the only space we've used for more than 2 consecutive meetings has been RvB, and they've closed down (they're opening 2 more stores elsewhere) Your bias is noted. Firstly, most of us were irritated at the dynamics of RvB. We've been holding meetings at Open Source Specailists for awhile now. You made the suggestion in an earlier email where you suggested that perhaps there were more people in the North followed by a comment about making more of a commitment and moving them completely. You've kept up arguments for a blind meeting despite me telling you time and time again, that I will not be organising a meeting without at least some interest expressed by the rest of the group. > We've been offered the opportunity to see what's been done up north, and I am very interested to know what's happening, as the achievement intersect with some of my own interests: VM's, education & FLOSS in the public space (amongst others). Yes. And we've had that offer before with terrible numbers. > There have been several hints dropped over the last few years that we accommodate those in the north (if only occasionally; this was a talking-point back when the regular LUG meeting where picking up again, but not really addressed), & this is such an opportunity Yes, but it's easy to complain via email. I remember when we did have something at Albany last year, someone complained that Albany was just as bad the city centre for them. So that person wants a LUG meeting on their back lawn. I'm looking to do something new. We have the opportunity. We don't have the interest expressed as of yet. We are a group and the group needs to stand up and be counted if they want this to go a head. So just having meetings over the shore is not enough. I'm hedging my bets. I've stated what I want to do, what I need from the group for me to proceed. I've been more than fair here. >>I'm guessing you're putting your hand up too > I have already, in response to you original request (origin of this thread) > > Look, either way is fine by me, you know you have my support whatever you decide. > Is there a date? What are the talking-points? (LCA?) > > - J No date as of yet as there has not been the interest I need to go further with this. (Really! I've said I won't be moving forward on this unless I have the numbers. How can I say it more clearly for you?!) As for talking points, LCA is being discussed during the first AuckLUG meeting. I anticipate the first ASHS meeting being about ASHS and a large socialising component so that LUG'ers of the area can meet each other. Unless speakers want to speak at both AuckLUG and Albany meetings, I won't be hijacking AuckLUG speakers for Albany. Given that there's kind of a conflict of interest between my own organising of AuckLUG meetings, I've been talking to Simon Bridge (the guy who's behind HBCLUG) about taking the Albany meetings on after the first one. Thus, speakers can approach him for Albany/Hibiscus Coast meetings and me about Auckland meetings. Regards, Nevyn. From srdan.dukic at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 16:32:11 2010 From: srdan.dukic at gmail.com (Srdan Dukic) Date: Wed Feb 10 16:32:19 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Creating your own RPM In-Reply-To: <5ea10f6824a2d3d9a12c1e1650fbc5cb@localhost> References: <4c2ae0691002082009o342e2083g636e3984d2ed1f7c@mail.gmail.com> <5ea10f6824a2d3d9a12c1e1650fbc5cb@localhost> Message-ID: <4c2ae0691002091932r767f46c6g45ed3100f510c80f@mail.gmail.com> On 9 February 2010 17:25, Glen Ogilvie wrote: > Hi Srdan, > > Your on the right track to unbundle the existing rpm, then update the > source and compile scripts for it. > > To do that, get the src.rpm file for the rpm you want to rebuild.. You can > find this from rpm -qi on the > old rpm. > > When you have the src.rpm downloaded, install it (this can be done as > yourself on modern versions of Mandriva and Fedora). ?You will need the > rpmbuild package installed as well. ?src.rpm files install into either > /usr/src/rpm or on modern version, into your home directory. > > Then find the rpmname.spec file in the SPECS directory and start with > editing that. ?RPMs are rebuilt using ?rpmbuild -ba specfile. > > I suggest looking at: > http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/ > http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Mandriva_RPM_HOWTO > > and doing a google search for: rpm spec files. ?The fedora project has > some documentation as well. > > Regards > Glen > Thank you very much for this, it worked like a charm :) In the end the only part of the spec file I had to modify was the version number of the upstream tarball. Having done this I just downloaded the latest code from the upstream project and ran the 'rpmbuilder' command. It probably helped that the upstream project version was only a change in the minor version number (2.1.1 -> 2.1.5), otherwise I might have had to struggle for a bit longer. -- Sr?an ?uki? From blakjak at blakjak.net Thu Feb 11 11:32:09 2010 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Thu Feb 11 11:32:40 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? In-Reply-To: References: <338371.17009.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <201002091459.14592.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> <22282.95839.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <34077.119.15.0.26.1265841129.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> On Tue, February 9, 2010 4:03 pm, Nevyn wrote: > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Jaco van der Merwe > wrote: >>>(i. e. they're not replacing them, but additional) >> >> Understood. >> I'd suggest just trying 1 meeting up north & see how it goes (who knows? >> maybe there are more people north than south...), before making such a >> big commitment (either adding more meetings, or moving them completely). >> >> The various UG's are numerous, so trying to squeeze in any more at this >> stage may encroach on others' time >> >> - J > > Nup. Not doing it. There is absolutely no reason not to register > interest. If there's 10 or more people interested, then it's probably > just enough to go on with. But I will not spend time organising > something like this just to see IF people will turn up. In otherwords, > register or your interest. > > There will be no moving of AuckLUG meetings completely. Jaco - please > refrain from making comments like this. It only serves to add > uncertainty and quite frankly, it doesn't help anyone. > It should be emphasised that Auckland LUG meetings should remain as accessible as possible. This suggests venues within the central Auckland area, CBD ideally, or else venues in the City Fringe. You want areas well serviced by public transport if possible too. I doubt that the upper North Shore would be very handy for folks in Manukau, etc. From unclerichard at xtra.co.nz Thu Feb 11 16:27:36 2010 From: unclerichard at xtra.co.nz (Richard Innes) Date: Thu Feb 11 16:27:48 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? In-Reply-To: <34077.119.15.0.26.1265841129.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> References: <338371.17009.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <201002091459.14592.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> <22282.95839.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <34077.119.15.0.26.1265841129.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Message-ID: <4B737928.1080808@xtra.co.nz> I have not followed this thread fully, buy as a North Shore resident and Linux user I would be interested a local LUG or meeting of interested people. For various reason the Auckland meetings are impossible for me. Richard Innes From Eugene.VanWyk at Honeywell.com Fri Feb 12 07:24:57 2010 From: Eugene.VanWyk at Honeywell.com (Van Wyk, Eugene (NZ02)) Date: Fri Feb 12 07:25:13 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? In-Reply-To: <4B737928.1080808@xtra.co.nz> References: <338371.17009.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <201002091459.14592.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> <22282.95839.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <34077.119.15.0.26.1265841129.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <4B737928.1080808@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <35B1FAE2C6AD3B48B76285227C326008018BE0F6@HK01EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> Hi Richard I would vote for one too, since I live in Gulf Harbour Regards Eugene van Wyk -----Original Message----- From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] On Behalf Of Richard Innes Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:28 PM To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? I have not followed this thread fully, buy as a North Shore resident and Linux user I would be interested a local LUG or meeting of interested people. For various reason the Auckland meetings are impossible for me. Richard Innes _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 08:42:17 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Feb 12 08:42:27 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? In-Reply-To: <35B1FAE2C6AD3B48B76285227C326008018BE0F6@HK01EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> References: <338371.17009.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <201002091459.14592.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> <22282.95839.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <34077.119.15.0.26.1265841129.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <4B737928.1080808@xtra.co.nz> <35B1FAE2C6AD3B48B76285227C326008018BE0F6@HK01EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Van Wyk, Eugene (NZ02) wrote: > Hi Richard > > I would vote for one too, since I live in Gulf Harbour > > Regards > Eugene van Wyk And thus we have 10. Okay, here's the deal. I've been talking to Simon Bridge who runs the Hibiscus Coast LUG. I'm not sure what they have - they seem to do some SFD events, haven't seen a mailing list and they don't do meetings..... until now. An Albany Senior High School meeting is best dealt with by the nearest LUG so as to not confuse the issue. I've told him I'll look after organising the first one and then hand him the reins. So I'll go away and talk to Mark Osbourne about which dates are best and try and get a 7pm slot (enough time for people to get out of work, get a bite to eat, freshen up and come to the meeting assuming they finish at 5). I'll see if I can get a Tuesday - just to make things a little bit different. (http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/The_Tuesday_Pattern) Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 17:25:27 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Feb 16 17:25:34 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Removing dual boot.... Message-ID: Hi, I've recently started using VirtualBox. I'm well impressed. Wasn't all that happy with qemu - might be different if I was running with the various VM processor extensions but those aren't in the Atom processors (at least, not in the N270). Anyway, so I've started using VirtualBox. I'm looking to use it so that I can still do maintenance on VBA. It's become a bit of a mission of late. It seems that MS are changing bits which seem to be breaking compatibility between different Office versions (i.e. changing xla files to xlam in an update). Of course, I can't install both office versions on the same machine as this seems to create more problems than it solves. So the aim is to use Virtual Box to run 2 instances of Windows with different versions of Office so that I can troubleshoot on my machine rather than finding myself in a full Windows environment. Add to that usb support and I've realised I can completely getting rid of the dual boot (Hurah!). Not that I was using the Windows option at all - I might replace it with dos so that I can still do some firmware upgrades and the like. Anyway, thus far, I'm not all that impressed by virtualbox's snapshot functionality. Every now and again it tells me that something's become corrupted and I'm going to have to go to an earlier snapshot. Is there some sort of alternative here? This is probably the most frustrating thing ever. Also, I can't seem to figure out how to create a tree of snapshots. It'd be kind of cool to be able to have one snapshot with Office 2003, one with 2007 and one with both and then just clone the machines as needed. Is this possible? Regards, Nevyn. From sond at ihug.co.nz Wed Feb 17 07:33:23 2010 From: sond at ihug.co.nz (sond) Date: Wed Feb 17 07:33:36 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Removing dual boot.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B7AE4F3.80306@ihug.co.nz> Hiya Nevyn I haven't tried the VirtualBox gui, but have played with VBoxManage ( a powerful suite of Cli tools ) and like it heaps, anyways ..i found this blog helpful - its gui orientated and explains some of the "poorly" named snapshot commands in particular the inconsistent and confusing use of the word /Discard/: http://srackham.wordpress.com/cloning-and-copying-virtualbox-virtual-machines/ cheers sond On 2/16/2010 5:25 PM, Nevyn wrote: > Hi, > > I've recently started using VirtualBox. I'm well impressed. Wasn't all > that happy with qemu - might be different if I was running with the > various VM processor extensions but those aren't in the Atom > processors (at least, not in the N270). > > Anyway, so I've started using VirtualBox. I'm looking to use it so > that I can still do maintenance on VBA. It's become a bit of a mission > of late. It seems that MS are changing bits which seem to be breaking > compatibility between different Office versions (i.e. changing xla > files to xlam in an update). Of course, I can't install both office > versions on the same machine as this seems to create more problems > than it solves. So the aim is to use Virtual Box to run 2 instances of > Windows with different versions of Office so that I can troubleshoot > on my machine rather than finding myself in a full Windows > environment. > > Add to that usb support and I've realised I can completely getting rid > of the dual boot (Hurah!). Not that I was using the Windows option at > all - I might replace it with dos so that I can still do some firmware > upgrades and the like. > > Anyway, thus far, I'm not all that impressed by virtualbox's snapshot > functionality. Every now and again it tells me that something's become > corrupted and I'm going to have to go to an earlier snapshot. Is there > some sort of alternative here? This is probably the most frustrating > thing ever. > > Also, I can't seem to figure out how to create a tree of snapshots. > It'd be kind of cool to be able to have one snapshot with Office 2003, > one with 2007 and one with both and then just clone the machines as > needed. Is this possible? > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 18 12:44:33 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Feb 18 12:44:41 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD 2010 Message-ID: <618904.97753.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Last year was a blast; thanks guys. http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/ Date has been scheduled for Sun 2010-09-18 http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/StartGuide http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/SponsorsAndSupporters Will be contacting the usual suspects. Please tap your own contacts in anticipation Ideas? Until later... - J From david.roberts at safecom.co.nz Thu Feb 18 15:19:06 2010 From: david.roberts at safecom.co.nz (David Roberts) Date: Thu Feb 18 15:24:42 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Removing dual boot.... In-Reply-To: <4B7AE4F3.80306@ihug.co.nz> References: <4B7AE4F3.80306@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <7B29B7209AA33440BA2A6ED38A697B520C017F@tasbe116.advancedsolutions.co.nz> Without answering your question, I'll add my 10c and say that VBoxHeadless is the command you want in order to start your vms at boot time. I was running myself ragged trying to get mine to start on boot as VBoxManage doesn't like to start vms from cli without already starting VBox from gui, ended up with something along the lines of the following in /etc/rc.local : su - vboxuser -c "VBoxHeadless --startvm VMNAMEorUUID --vrdp off" If you want vrdp on then just omit the argument as it is on by default. Dave -----Original Message----- From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] On Behalf Of sond Sent: Wednesday, 17 February 2010 7:33 a.m. To: aucklug@linux.net.nz Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Removing dual boot.... Hiya Nevyn I haven't tried the VirtualBox gui, but have played with VBoxManage ( a powerful suite of Cli tools ) and like it heaps, anyways ..i found this blog helpful - its gui orientated and explains some of the "poorly" named snapshot commands in particular the inconsistent and confusing use of the word /Discard/: http://srackham.wordpress.com/cloning-and-copying-virtualbox-virtual-mac hines/ cheers sond On 2/16/2010 5:25 PM, Nevyn wrote: > Hi, > > I've recently started using VirtualBox. I'm well impressed. Wasn't all > that happy with qemu - might be different if I was running with the > various VM processor extensions but those aren't in the Atom > processors (at least, not in the N270). > > Anyway, so I've started using VirtualBox. I'm looking to use it so > that I can still do maintenance on VBA. It's become a bit of a mission > of late. It seems that MS are changing bits which seem to be breaking > compatibility between different Office versions (i.e. changing xla > files to xlam in an update). Of course, I can't install both office > versions on the same machine as this seems to create more problems > than it solves. So the aim is to use Virtual Box to run 2 instances of > Windows with different versions of Office so that I can troubleshoot > on my machine rather than finding myself in a full Windows > environment. > > Add to that usb support and I've realised I can completely getting rid > of the dual boot (Hurah!). Not that I was using the Windows option at > all - I might replace it with dos so that I can still do some firmware > upgrades and the like. > > Anyway, thus far, I'm not all that impressed by virtualbox's snapshot > functionality. Every now and again it tells me that something's become > corrupted and I'm going to have to go to an earlier snapshot. Is there > some sort of alternative here? This is probably the most frustrating > thing ever. > > Also, I can't seem to figure out how to create a tree of snapshots. > It'd be kind of cool to be able to have one snapshot with Office 2003, > one with 2007 and one with both and then just clone the machines as > needed. Is this possible? > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug ##################################################################################### Important: This electronic message and attachments (if any) are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient do not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. Please let us know by return e-mail immediately and then destroy this message. ##################################################################################### From sond at ihug.co.nz Thu Feb 18 15:39:07 2010 From: sond at ihug.co.nz (sond) Date: Thu Feb 18 15:39:18 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Removing dual boot.... In-Reply-To: <7B29B7209AA33440BA2A6ED38A697B520C017F@tasbe116.advancedsolutions.co.nz> References: <4B7AE4F3.80306@ihug.co.nz> <7B29B7209AA33440BA2A6ED38A697B520C017F@tasbe116.advancedsolutions.co.nz> Message-ID: <4B7CA84B.8080507@ihug.co.nz> ..and there is also.. (tada!) Vboxtool... : ) http://vboxtool.sourceforge.net/ sond On 2/18/2010 3:19 PM, David Roberts wrote: > Without answering your question, I'll add my 10c and say that > VBoxHeadless is the command you want in order to start your vms at boot > time. > > I was running myself ragged trying to get mine to start on boot as > VBoxManage doesn't like to start vms from cli without already starting > VBox from gui, ended up with something along the lines of the following > in /etc/rc.local : > > su - vboxuser -c "VBoxHeadless --startvm VMNAMEorUUID --vrdp off" > > If you want vrdp on then just omit the argument as it is on by default. > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] > On Behalf Of sond > Sent: Wednesday, 17 February 2010 7:33 a.m. > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Removing dual boot.... > > Hiya Nevyn > > I haven't tried the VirtualBox gui, but have played with VBoxManage ( a > powerful suite of Cli tools ) and like it heaps, > > anyways ..i found this blog helpful - its gui orientated and explains > some of the "poorly" named snapshot commands > in particular the inconsistent and confusing use of the word > /Discard/: > > http://srackham.wordpress.com/cloning-and-copying-virtualbox-virtual-mac > hines/ > > cheers > > sond > > > > On 2/16/2010 5:25 PM, Nevyn wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I've recently started using VirtualBox. I'm well impressed. Wasn't all >> that happy with qemu - might be different if I was running with the >> various VM processor extensions but those aren't in the Atom >> processors (at least, not in the N270). >> >> Anyway, so I've started using VirtualBox. I'm looking to use it so >> that I can still do maintenance on VBA. It's become a bit of a mission >> of late. It seems that MS are changing bits which seem to be breaking >> compatibility between different Office versions (i.e. changing xla >> files to xlam in an update). Of course, I can't install both office >> versions on the same machine as this seems to create more problems >> than it solves. So the aim is to use Virtual Box to run 2 instances of >> Windows with different versions of Office so that I can troubleshoot >> on my machine rather than finding myself in a full Windows >> environment. >> >> Add to that usb support and I've realised I can completely getting rid >> of the dual boot (Hurah!). Not that I was using the Windows option at >> all - I might replace it with dos so that I can still do some firmware >> upgrades and the like. >> >> Anyway, thus far, I'm not all that impressed by virtualbox's snapshot >> functionality. Every now and again it tells me that something's become >> corrupted and I'm going to have to go to an earlier snapshot. Is there >> some sort of alternative here? This is probably the most frustrating >> thing ever. >> >> Also, I can't seem to figure out how to create a tree of snapshots. >> It'd be kind of cool to be able to have one snapshot with Office 2003, >> one with 2007 and one with both and then just clone the machines as >> needed. Is this possible? >> >> Regards, >> Nevyn. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > ##################################################################################### > Important: This electronic message and attachments (if any) are confidential > and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient do not > copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. Please let us know by return > e-mail immediately and then destroy this message. > ##################################################################################### > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From g.kloss at massey.ac.nz Thu Feb 18 17:44:25 2010 From: g.kloss at massey.ac.nz (Guy K. Kloss) Date: Thu Feb 18 17:44:53 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Removing dual boot.... In-Reply-To: <4B7CA84B.8080507@ihug.co.nz> References: <7B29B7209AA33440BA2A6ED38A697B520C017F@tasbe116.advancedsolutions.co.nz> <4B7CA84B.8080507@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <201002181744.34760.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:39:07 sond wrote: > ..and there is also.. (tada!) Vboxtool... +1 I've started using it now for a server. Works really nicely, although needed some patching upstream to work with VirtualBox OSE. And unfortunately the init script is still flaky. But it's getting there, as the maintainer/developer is quite responsive to suggestions and patches. BTW, I've rolled a .deb from it using checkinstall after applying some patches to it. If anybody is interested, just drop me a mail. Guy -- Guy K. Kloss Institute of Information and Mathematical Sciences Te Kura P?taiao o M?hiohio me P?ngarau Massey University, Albany (North Shore City, Auckland) 473 State Highway 17, Gate 1, Mailroom, Quad B Building voice: +64 9 414-0800 ext. 9266 fax: +64 9 441-8181 G.Kloss@massey.ac.nz http://www.massey.ac.nz/~gkloss -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/aucklug/attachments/20100218/7a465697/attachment.pgp From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 18:40:20 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Feb 18 18:40:53 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD 2010 In-Reply-To: <618904.97753.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <618904.97753.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Last year was a blast; thanks guys. > > http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/ > > Date has been scheduled for Sun 2010-09-18 > > http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/StartGuide > http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/SponsorsAndSupporters > > Will be contacting the usual suspects. > Please tap your own contacts in anticipation > > Ideas? > > Until later... > > - J I was just thinking it might be time to start getting into this. Although I've got a complaint about it.... I would really like to take the emphasis on software out. It'd be really good if we could look at a whole lot of aspects of freedom and how the freedom of all sorts of things is being protected. Creative Commons music. Rep Rap isn't so music orientated. I'm sure there are a whole lot of aspects that could be covered. I mean, seriously, who out there talks about software? I was talking to a guy who was saying that he'd converted more females to Linux than males. He was talking about a vegetarian Linux group. I was wondering just how many people, having discovered Linux, are likely to talk about it. I know this is probably bold given that it's a worldwide event and all, but I really don't like the emphasis on software. Freedom lends itself well to software but it's a philosophy. Can we not have some really fun things with things other than software? Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 18:51:53 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Feb 18 18:52:06 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Removing dual boot.... In-Reply-To: <201002181744.34760.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> References: <7B29B7209AA33440BA2A6ED38A697B520C017F@tasbe116.advancedsolutions.co.nz> <4B7CA84B.8080507@ihug.co.nz> <201002181744.34760.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Guy K. Kloss wrote: > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:39:07 sond wrote: >> ..and there is also.. (tada!) Vboxtool... > > +1 > > I've started using it now for a server. Works really nicely, although needed > some patching upstream to work with VirtualBox OSE. And unfortunately the init > script is still flaky. But it's getting there, as the maintainer/developer is > quite responsive to suggestions and patches. > > BTW, I've rolled a .deb from it using checkinstall after applying some patches > to it. If anybody is interested, just drop me a mail. > > Guy That was weird... I was about half way through writing a message and it disappeared... It seems my problem is now with Windows. Everytime I installed Office, I was finding that I couldn't boot - it'd bsod on me and reboot. Some patience and being able to take a screenshot, I was able to find a solution (registry hack in safe mode). Now I can't update 'em. Which is a problem given that the problems I'm trying to sort out in the spreadsheets I've developed are incompatibilities introduced via updates. If only the "boss" didn't want the shiniest newest version of Office and doesn't want to spend the money to get everyone else in office on the same version... Regards, Nevyn. From 3djake at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 19:04:01 2010 From: 3djake at gmail.com (3djake) Date: Thu Feb 18 19:16:17 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD 2010 In-Reply-To: <618904.97753.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <618904.97753.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9df0fa531002172204g6b0a6bd8k4b0d619efba71751@mail.gmail.com> Well I was involved in Software Freedom Day 2008, We had copys of open office, open education and ubuntu , as well as stickers. We also had focused on how DRM is bad, we had stickers of some one being handed cuffed by an ipod We had lots of brochures to cover many different things, including one aimed at NZ educators and how it would benefit schools. I had a open source friendly version of this video on my own website but unfortunately I am behind on my hosting payments :( , but my friend who was with me that day uploaded it to youtube for his own website http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulzhd5dC4RQ From tcjeep at orcon.net.nz Thu Feb 18 21:27:42 2010 From: tcjeep at orcon.net.nz (tony cunningham) Date: Thu Feb 18 21:28:07 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? In-Reply-To: References: <338371.17009.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <201002091459.14592.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> <22282.95839.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <34077.119.15.0.26.1265841129.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <4B737928.1080808@xtra.co.nz> <35B1FAE2C6AD3B48B76285227C326008018BE0F6@HK01EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <4B7CF9FE.3050800@orcon.net.nz> Nevyn wrote: > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Van Wyk, Eugene (NZ02) > wrote: > >> Hi Richard >> >> I would vote for one too, since I live in Gulf Harbour >> >> Regards >> Eugene van Wyk >> > > And thus we have 10. Okay, here's the deal. I've been talking to Simon > Bridge who runs the Hibiscus Coast LUG. I'm not sure what they have - > they seem to do some SFD events, haven't seen a mailing list and they > don't do meetings..... until now. An Albany Senior High School meeting > is best dealt with by the nearest LUG so as to not confuse the issue. > I've told him I'll look after organising the first one and then hand > him the reins. So I'll go away and talk to Mark Osbourne about which > dates are best and try and get a 7pm slot (enough time for people to > get out of work, get a bite to eat, freshen up and come to the meeting > assuming they finish at 5). I'll see if I can get a Tuesday - just to > make things a little bit different. > (http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/The_Tuesday_Pattern) > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > I admit I'm a lurker big time, only logging in and scrolling through the threads to see if anything interesting catches my eye. I live on the North Shore and I have only attended one meeting, about a year ago at RVB. Parking and the drive home was a nightmare. Since then any subject with the word "meeting" is simply skipped. I'm sorry, I know that there are those who put a lot of time and effort into this LUG and could use some additional support. Or at least, be shown some appreciation for what they do. I don't believe that I am the only one who would love to socialise bit more but accept that the venue, Auckland, is just too much of a mission. It'd be interested to see the stats. How many members are on the list? how many have contributed in the last, say, month? How many attend the meetings? Where do they live? Anyway, I guess I make it eleven. From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 22:49:46 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Feb 18 22:49:57 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? In-Reply-To: <4B7CF9FE.3050800@orcon.net.nz> References: <338371.17009.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <201002091459.14592.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> <22282.95839.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <34077.119.15.0.26.1265841129.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <4B737928.1080808@xtra.co.nz> <35B1FAE2C6AD3B48B76285227C326008018BE0F6@HK01EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> <4B7CF9FE.3050800@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:27 PM, tony cunningham wrote: > > I admit I'm a lurker big time, only logging in and scrolling through the > threads to see if anything interesting > catches my eye. I live on the North Shore and I have only attended one > meeting, about a year ago at RVB. Parking and the drive home was a > nightmare. Since then any subject with the word "meeting" is simply skipped. > I'm sorry, I know that there are those who put a lot of time and effort into > this LUG and could use some additional support. Or at least, be shown some > appreciation for what they do. I don't believe that I am the only one who > would love to socialise bit more but accept that the venue, Auckland, is > just too much of a mission. It'd be interested to see the stats. How many > members are on the list? how many have contributed in the last, say, month? > How many attend the meetings? Where do they live? Anyway, I guess I make it > eleven. Hi Tony. Your appreciation is much appreciated. That's probably why we probably go through organiser's fairly frequently. During my time on the list I think there's been Scott, Joel and Martin who have all come before me. All of which I think have since disappeared. Not to mention thanks must go out to Mark Foster who pretty much does all the system stuff. Jaco, Antonio and a whole list of other people who were involved in the efforts towards SFD (and who I'm hoping are going to be involved this year. That "crew" seemed to work for the most part). There's also those who make great efforts in the other LUGs around Auckland which all cater to quite different demographics - Kennedy and Antonio with UALUG, Simon Bridge with Hibiscus Coast LUG and whoever's involved in Howick LUG (Sorry - I really should look into the Howick LUG more - I did have a look around SFD last year but haven't since which is rather rude of me given that some things changed after I enquired about it). Sorry if I've missed anyone out here. Oh, speakers. Martin, who was organising meetings and speaking at those same meetings at the beginning of last year. Chill with his brilliant asterisk presentation. Jaco - giving us contacts with RvB as a temporary venue and also did a presentation on virtualisation (though didn't go into Xen much), Glen for providing a more permanent venue and also doing a presentation on pxe booting as well as a mini presentation on the arduino. Vik for enthralling us all with his presentation on the RepRap. Robin for his presentation on Open Street Maps (did you find any more participants as a result?)... All of these people, and I'm sure there's a few I've forgotten in this quick shout out, made organising the meetings a breeze for the most part. So yeah - a fair few people involved in the course of a year. The Auckland meetings do tend to get good numbers - around 30 or so? (which reminds me - I've got to get on to organising the next one). Traditionally it was NZLUG meetings in Auckland city until an argument here which resulted in me getting my way ;) i.e. a separate Auckland LUG given that the meetings were mostly being held in Auckland. So this part of it isn't likely to change as it'd not really be the Auckland LUG anymore. It'd be the North Shore LUG or the Manukau LUG or something along those lines. Probably a large number of the attendees work OR live in/around town. I know I've sounded stubborn when I've said "It's not moving!" and Mark's comment was along the same sort of lines. It's not so much that we're trying to ignore the rest of Auckland. It's that doing so would be doing AuckLUG a huge disservice. It's like the whole thing about meetings being held on a Monday. I know it's inconvenient for probably 1/5 of the people on the list - but every other day would yield the same situation so, it stays on a Monday as there really isn't any reason to change that. I'm organising the ASHS meeting for a Tuesday by the way... Fortunately, there's a LUG near an Albany venue which makes my life just a tad easier - I'm not having to organise meetings in a location I'm no where near for starters (I don't drive - I'm a bit of a hippy). There's no conflict with me trying to find speakers for two sets of meetings - it's can be troublesome with just one. It's quite likely that it's quite a different demographic from those who work and/or live in town (i.e. we're fairly used to the traffic and parking issues) so I'm not really convinced that I'd be the right fit anyway. As for numbers, I really don't know the figures. Mark might be willing to let us know. I've got to admit, I'm a little curious myself. Of course, if the numbers are really big, it potentially could do more harm than good having those numbers out there. How many people would shy away realising that their audience is a lot bigger than they thought? Bearing in mind that we're typically an introverted lot. Would that then change the mood of the list? Probably best to keep that particular worm safely in it's can. We're talking to Mark Osbourne now and it looks very likely that it's going to be in the middle of next month - I'll post details once we've organised everything. I'm hoping that we'll have more than the 11 at an ASHS meeting - it's at the very least going to be an interesting social gathering. Chances are, there are more lurkers out there who are more comfortable talking in "meat space" rather than cyber space. Regards, Nevyn. From tcjeep at orcon.net.nz Fri Feb 19 09:30:56 2010 From: tcjeep at orcon.net.nz (tony cunningham) Date: Fri Feb 19 09:31:10 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings? In-Reply-To: References: <338371.17009.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <201002091459.14592.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> <22282.95839.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <34077.119.15.0.26.1265841129.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <4B737928.1080808@xtra.co.nz> <35B1FAE2C6AD3B48B76285227C326008018BE0F6@HK01EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> <4B7CF9FE.3050800@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <4B7DA380.6050602@orcon.net.nz> Nevyn wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:27 PM, tony cunningham wrote: > >> I admit I'm a lurker big time, only logging in and scrolling through the >> threads to see if anything interesting >> catches my eye. I live on the North Shore and I have only attended one >> meeting, about a year ago at RVB. Parking and the drive home was a >> nightmare. Since then any subject with the word "meeting" is simply skipped. >> I'm sorry, I know that there are those who put a lot of time and effort into >> this LUG and could use some additional support. Or at least, be shown some >> appreciation for what they do. I don't believe that I am the only one who >> would love to socialise bit more but accept that the venue, Auckland, is >> just too much of a mission. It'd be interested to see the stats. How many >> members are on the list? how many have contributed in the last, say, month? >> How many attend the meetings? Where do they live? Anyway, I guess I make it >> eleven. >> > > Hi Tony. Your appreciation is much appreciated. > > That's probably why we probably go through organiser's fairly > frequently. During my time on the list I think there's been Scott, > Joel and Martin who have all come before me. All of which I think have > since disappeared. > > Not to mention thanks must go out to Mark Foster who pretty much does > all the system stuff. > > Jaco, Antonio and a whole list of other people who were involved in > the efforts towards SFD (and who I'm hoping are going to be involved > this year. That "crew" seemed to work for the most part). > > There's also those who make great efforts in the other LUGs around > Auckland which all cater to quite different demographics - Kennedy and > Antonio with UALUG, Simon Bridge with Hibiscus Coast LUG and whoever's > involved in Howick LUG (Sorry - I really should look into the Howick > LUG more - I did have a look around SFD last year but haven't since > which is rather rude of me given that some things changed after I > enquired about it). > > Sorry if I've missed anyone out here. Oh, speakers. Martin, who was > organising meetings and speaking at those same meetings at the > beginning of last year. Chill with his brilliant asterisk > presentation. Jaco - giving us contacts with RvB as a temporary venue > and also did a presentation on virtualisation (though didn't go into > Xen much), Glen for providing a more permanent venue and also doing a > presentation on pxe booting as well as a mini presentation on the > arduino. Vik for enthralling us all with his presentation on the > RepRap. Robin for his presentation on Open Street Maps (did you find > any more participants as a result?)... All of these people, and I'm > sure there's a few I've forgotten in this quick shout out, made > organising the meetings a breeze for the most part. So yeah - a fair > few people involved in the course of a year. > > The Auckland meetings do tend to get good numbers - around 30 or so? > (which reminds me - I've got to get on to organising the next one). > Traditionally it was NZLUG meetings in Auckland city until an argument > here which resulted in me getting my way ;) i.e. a separate Auckland > LUG given that the meetings were mostly being held in Auckland. So > this part of it isn't likely to change as it'd not really be the > Auckland LUG anymore. It'd be the North Shore LUG or the Manukau LUG > or something along those lines. Probably a large number of the > attendees work OR live in/around town. I know I've sounded stubborn > when I've said "It's not moving!" and Mark's comment was along the > same sort of lines. It's not so much that we're trying to ignore the > rest of Auckland. It's that doing so would be doing AuckLUG a huge > disservice. It's like the whole thing about meetings being held on a > Monday. I know it's inconvenient for probably 1/5 of the people on the > list - but every other day would yield the same situation so, it stays > on a Monday as there really isn't any reason to change that. > > I'm organising the ASHS meeting for a Tuesday by the way... > > Fortunately, there's a LUG near an Albany venue which makes my life > just a tad easier - I'm not having to organise meetings in a location > I'm no where near for starters (I don't drive - I'm a bit of a hippy). > There's no conflict with me trying to find speakers for two sets of > meetings - it's can be troublesome with just one. It's quite likely > that it's quite a different demographic from those who work and/or > live in town (i.e. we're fairly used to the traffic and parking > issues) so I'm not really convinced that I'd be the right fit anyway. > > As for numbers, I really don't know the figures. Mark might be willing > to let us know. I've got to admit, I'm a little curious myself. Of > course, if the numbers are really big, it potentially could do more > harm than good having those numbers out there. How many people would > shy away realising that their audience is a lot bigger than they > thought? Bearing in mind that we're typically an introverted lot. > Would that then change the mood of the list? Probably best to keep > that particular worm safely in it's can. > > We're talking to Mark Osbourne now and it looks very likely that it's > going to be in the middle of next month - I'll post details once we've > organised everything. I'm hoping that we'll have more than the 11 at > an ASHS meeting - it's at the very least going to be an interesting > social gathering. Chances are, there are more lurkers out there who > are more comfortable talking in "meat space" rather than cyber space. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > Thanks Nevyn, Your comments will cause an element of restlessness in the holes of the lurkers. We are all grateful to the relatively few who drive the open source community. I wish I had the resources to offer. I'll start by attending the next meeting wherever it is. Thanks again, tony. From robin.paulson at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 09:35:54 2010 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Fri Feb 19 09:36:03 2010 Subject: lugers contributing to OSM? (was Re: [AuckLUG] Possible NS meetings?) Message-ID: <2f3aa2771002181235g3d308b69h1b144986d1ad067@mail.gmail.com> On 18 February 2010 22:49, Nevyn wrote: > RepRap. Robin for his presentation on Open Street Maps (did you find > any more participants as a result?)... All of these people, and I'm i'd love to think so, but i don't know. has anyone here been motivated to map any of auckland or anything else in new zealand? there's a few gaps in our coverage, a particularly big one between auckland and the capital From nevynh at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 00:07:32 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sun Feb 21 00:07:41 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux no longer competing with MS? Message-ID: I'm sure everyone's heard about the Nokia and Intel collaboration combining Moblin and Maemo and calling it MeeGo. It just occurred to me... Linux in the mobile market is no longer competing against MS Mobile. Rather, MS Mobile is being left at the kiddies table while MeeGo, Android and iPhone all go to the adults table. So the good, the bad and the ugly. What's left to be seen is which one is which. Regards, Nevyn. From blakjak at blakjak.net Sun Feb 21 08:35:07 2010 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Sun Feb 21 08:35:29 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux no longer competing with MS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Feb 2010, Nevyn wrote: > I'm sure everyone's heard about the Nokia and Intel collaboration > combining Moblin and Maemo and calling it MeeGo. > > It just occurred to me... Linux in the mobile market is no longer > competing against MS Mobile. Rather, MS Mobile is being left at the > kiddies table while MeeGo, Android and iPhone all go to the adults > table. So the good, the bad and the ugly. What's left to be seen is > which one is which. > You apparently havn't been reading about the new Windows Mobile OS that's been demo'd in a few places? Had some positive reviews so far. Mark. PS: In Auckers this week for work.. happy to catchup with folks if opportunity presents, one evening perhaps... i'll be in the CBD and limited to 'pedestrian mobile'... From vik at catalyst.net.nz Sun Feb 21 11:16:16 2010 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Sun Feb 21 11:16:19 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD 2010 In-Reply-To: <9df0fa531002172204g6b0a6bd8k4b0d619efba71751@mail.gmail.com> References: <618904.97753.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <9df0fa531002172204g6b0a6bd8k4b0d619efba71751@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B805F30.4050305@catalyst.net.nz> Step one: Let's get the booking in for the Uni venue again ASAP. Vik :v) From nevynh at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 21:30:25 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sun Feb 21 21:30:33 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD 2010 In-Reply-To: <4B805F30.4050305@catalyst.net.nz> References: <618904.97753.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <9df0fa531002172204g6b0a6bd8k4b0d619efba71751@mail.gmail.com> <4B805F30.4050305@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Vik Olliver wrote: > Step one: Let's get the booking in for the Uni venue again ASAP. > > Vik :v) I'm not sure but I think this may already be in progress. Will post with updates. From nevynh at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 21:32:02 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sun Feb 21 21:32:09 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux no longer competing with MS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Mark Foster wrote: > PS: In Auckers this week for work.. happy to catchup with folks if > opportunity presents, one evening perhaps... i'll be in the CBD and limited > to 'pedestrian mobile'... I'm keen. Name a night (although there may be another meeting that may conflict. Evening yet to be established.) and I'll be there. From toniosm at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 02:01:07 2010 From: toniosm at gmail.com (Antonio San Miguel) Date: Mon Feb 22 02:01:49 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <618904.97753.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <9df0fa531002172204g6b0a6bd8k4b0d619efba71751@mail.gmail.com> <4B805F30.4050305@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <99ab0c041002210501k3776fbdai850c9ef5397b50c2@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Nevyn wrote: > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Vik Olliver wrote: > > Step one: Let's get the booking in for the Uni venue again ASAP. > > > > Vik :v) > > Uni starts again next week, so I'll try and ask them if they take bookings this early and ask about the internet issues as well. -Tony From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Mon Feb 22 07:36:14 2010 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Mon Feb 22 07:36:26 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux no longer competing with MS? In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: <4B8233EE.29082.13F957@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Mark Foster wrote: > > PS: In Auckers this week for work.. happy to catchup with folks if > > opportunity presents, one evening perhaps... i'll be in the CBD and limited > > to 'pedestrian mobile'... > > I'm keen. Name a night (although there may be another meeting that may > conflict. Evening yet to be established.) and I'll be there. I will come too, other commitments permitting. Don Johnston From robin.paulson at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 09:26:37 2010 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Mon Feb 22 09:26:44 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux no longer competing with MS? In-Reply-To: <4B8233EE.29082.13F957@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B8233EE.29082.13F957@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: <2f3aa2771002211226l57cc7bebu13b5fcce9c92490f@mail.gmail.com> On 22 February 2010 07:36, Don Johnston wrote: >> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Mark Foster wrote: >> > PS: In Auckers this week for work.. happy to catchup with folks if >> > opportunity presents, one evening perhaps... i'll be in the CBD and limited >> > to 'pedestrian mobile'... >> >> I'm keen. Name a night (although there may be another meeting that may >> conflict. Evening yet to be established.) and I'll be there. > > I will come too, other commitments permitting. yup, i'll be there so long as it's not wednesday. anywhere in the city is fine From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 11:54:21 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Feb 22 11:54:29 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux no longer competing with MS? In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2771002211226l57cc7bebu13b5fcce9c92490f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B8233EE.29082.13F957@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <2f3aa2771002211226l57cc7bebu13b5fcce9c92490f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Robin Paulson wrote: > On 22 February 2010 07:36, Don Johnston wrote: >>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Mark Foster wrote: >>> > PS: In Auckers this week for work.. happy to catchup with folks if >>> > opportunity presents, one evening perhaps... i'll be in the CBD and limited >>> > to 'pedestrian mobile'... >>> >>> I'm keen. Name a night (although there may be another meeting that may >>> conflict. Evening yet to be established.) and I'll be there. >> >> I will come too, other commitments permitting. > > yup, i'll be there so long as it's not wednesday. anywhere in the city is fine Oh - keep in mind that the next AuckLUG meeting is on Monday. I'm just confirming speakers and so should be able to announce it soon. From blakjak at blakjak.net Mon Feb 22 12:19:55 2010 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Mon Feb 22 12:20:04 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux no longer competing with MS? In-Reply-To: References: <4B8233EE.29082.13F957@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <2f3aa2771002211226l57cc7bebu13b5fcce9c92490f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, Nevyn wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Robin Paulson wrote: >> On 22 February 2010 07:36, Don Johnston wrote: >>>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Mark Foster wrote: >>>>> PS: In Auckers this week for work.. happy to catchup with folks if >>>>> opportunity presents, one evening perhaps... i'll be in the CBD and limited >>>>> to 'pedestrian mobile'... >>>> >>>> I'm keen. Name a night (although there may be another meeting that may >>>> conflict. Evening yet to be established.) and I'll be there. >>> >>> I will come too, other commitments permitting. >> >> yup, i'll be there so long as it's not wednesday. anywhere in the city is fine > > Oh - keep in mind that the next AuckLUG meeting is on Monday. I'm just > confirming speakers and so should be able to announce it soon. > In terms of a catchup with me, at this stage, Tonight or Thursday are best. Tonight best of all, I realise this is late notice though :) Something that involves fooding would be good... From blakjak at blakjak.net Mon Feb 22 12:24:01 2010 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Mon Feb 22 12:24:10 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Informal Catchup Tonight? Auckland CBD Message-ID: Hi Guys A new thread for clarities sake.... Seems there's some interest in catching up while i'm in town, sadly the conference i'm attending couldn't be moved to an AuckLUG meeting week =) But I would be keen to meet up, say 7ish, for something involving food and drink and a little bit of socialisation. Venues, i'll leave to Aucklanders to suggest, prefer mid-townish, i'm handy to Albert St / Wyndham St / Nelson St type locations. I should flag i'm not checking my email especially frequently... Cheers Mark. From robin.paulson at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 12:30:51 2010 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Mon Feb 22 12:30:56 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Informal Catchup Tonight? Auckland CBD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2f3aa2771002211530g7b46073cq37bb064086e6ae7d@mail.gmail.com> On 22 February 2010 12:24, Mark Foster wrote: > Seems there's some interest in catching up while i'm in town, sadly the > conference i'm attending couldn't be moved to an AuckLUG meeting week =) But > I would be keen to meet up, say 7ish, for something involving food and drink > and a little bit of socialisation. > > Venues, i'll leave to Aucklanders to suggest, prefer mid-townish, i'm handy > to Albert St / Wyndham St / Nelson St type locations. > > I should flag i'm not checking my email especially frequently... 7 sounds good: i'll be there if the ualug meeting is over. i may bring more lugers along if they are keen shakespeare's tavern might be a good place in that area http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=-36.84672&mlon=174.7641&zoom=17&layers=0B00FTF From blakjak at blakjak.net Mon Feb 22 14:04:06 2010 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Mon Feb 22 14:04:17 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Informal Catchup Tonight? Auckland CBD In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2771002211530g7b46073cq37bb064086e6ae7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2771002211530g7b46073cq37bb064086e6ae7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, Robin Paulson wrote: > On 22 February 2010 12:24, Mark Foster wrote: >> Seems there's some interest in catching up while i'm in town, sadly the >> conference i'm attending couldn't be moved to an AuckLUG meeting week =) But >> I would be keen to meet up, say 7ish, for something involving food and drink >> and a little bit of socialisation. >> >> Venues, i'll leave to Aucklanders to suggest, prefer mid-townish, i'm handy >> to Albert St / Wyndham St / Nelson St type locations. >> >> I should flag i'm not checking my email especially frequently... > > 7 sounds good: i'll be there if the ualug meeting is over. i may bring > more lugers along if they are keen > > shakespeare's tavern might be a good place in that area > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=-36.84672&mlon=174.7641&zoom=17&layers=0B00FTF > Sounds excellent to me! Who else was there? Nevyn? From gijones at clear.net.nz Mon Feb 22 14:21:02 2010 From: gijones at clear.net.nz (Brent Jones) Date: Mon Feb 22 14:21:14 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - Is the university the best venue? Message-ID: <4B81DBFE.5050106@clear.net.nz> Hi All I remember mentioning at last years SFD how hard it was to get parking for the university venue. I thought a school hall might be a better bet? If the School let you, you could put up signs on the fence. The other thought is go into a shopping mall. I know my local, Pakuranga Westfield, lets people have table for games and displays. Last year they had scrabble, chess etc. A few tables set up with working computers showing different Linux programs. Maybe an install fest advertised in the local paper possibly they might write it up as a story so it's free. That way there would be more walk ups then at the university. If we could get a sponsorship of OS discs maybe they could be put in the libraries as handouts along with SFD message. Just some ideas Brent Jones From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 16:13:17 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Feb 22 16:13:25 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - Is the university the best venue? In-Reply-To: <4B81DBFE.5050106@clear.net.nz> References: <4B81DBFE.5050106@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Brent Jones wrote: > Hi All > > I remember mentioning at last years SFD how hard it was to get parking for > the university venue. > > I thought a school hall might be a better bet? > If the School let you, you could put up signs on the fence. > > The other thought is go into a shopping mall. > I know my local, Pakuranga Westfield, lets people have table for games and > displays. > Last year they ?had scrabble, chess etc. > > A few tables set up with working computers showing different Linux programs. > Maybe an install fest advertised in the local paper possibly they might > write it up as a story so it's free. > That way there would be more walk ups then at the university. > > If we could get a sponsorship of OS discs maybe they could be put in the > libraries as handouts along with SFD message. > > Just some ideas > Brent Jones Actually yeah - you're on to something there. We were talking about the lack of any sort of walk throughs last year. It made the whole event a preaching to the converted thing. There was talk about going bigger this year so having people walking down Queen Street with fliers and the like. This is kind of a hard sell given that we're by nature fairly introverted people and people on Queen St are fairly used to ignoring leaflets and people... I think there are going to have to be a couple of events - perhaps the different LUG's could throw their own thing together. I know Simon Bridge normally does something so that HBCLUG, AuckLUG and UALUG will most likely tackle it together again (being in basically the same place), Howick LUG has a range of options - Highland Park, the Plaza etc. that they could hold something. I saw some photos a few years ago of Waikato LUG's event which was pretty much in a mall. They had someone running around in a penguin costume. Tables set up for people to have a play. Also at AuckLUG's last installfest (a few years ago now), Liz's kids spent most of the day in front of a computer. Just doing their thing. It was kind of interesting watching these people watching these kids have absolutely no problem using the computer. It sort of put to bed the myth that Linux is hard to use. I'm not sure we want to try the malls around Auckland City (i.e. St Lukes) as these are a nightmare trying to navigate even without trying to get permission for space and the like. There was another interesting idea last year. If we could take over the computer section of an appliance store, load up a live distribution of whatever on their demo machines, and show them just how much demand there might be for Linux. Of course publicity is a mission as well. I was talking to someone and he was saying that it's far easier to promote Linux in a less technological country (the Phillipines in this case). Everyone's got a computer here... is there a story in more computers? Perhaps we should have a recycling drive the week before? Collect old computers, throw a light weight distro on, hand them out during software freedom day. Bring in the children of South Auckland or something and get the publicity due to the kids and make it less about the computers. Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 16:15:54 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Feb 22 16:16:03 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Informal Catchup Tonight? Auckland CBD In-Reply-To: References: <2f3aa2771002211530g7b46073cq37bb064086e6ae7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Mark Foster wrote: > > > Sounds excellent to me! > > Who else was there? Nevyn? I'll be there :) I'm putting in an appearance at the UALUG meeting as well anyway so seems convinient. From blakjak at blakjak.net Mon Feb 22 16:17:43 2010 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Mon Feb 22 16:17:51 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Informal Catchup Tonight? Auckland CBD In-Reply-To: References: <2f3aa2771002211530g7b46073cq37bb064086e6ae7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, Nevyn wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Mark Foster wrote: >> >> >> Sounds excellent to me! >> >> Who else was there? Nevyn? > > I'll be there :) I'm putting in an appearance at the UALUG meeting as > well anyway so seems convinient. Sorry a bit scatterbrained - what's happening at UALUG? where/when? From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 16:26:21 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Feb 22 16:26:27 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting presenters Message-ID: Hi Guys, I've just been trying to organise the AuckLUG meeting. We have a venue, though the 2 people I had hoped were doing a presentation are both busy on the 1st of March (being the 1st Monday of the month). So the question now is, what do we do? Do we postpone for a week? Does anyone want to do a presentation on Monday? Do we go to the pub instead and just have a very informal chat? Regards, Nevyn. From subscribed at gnuzealand.com Mon Feb 22 16:36:02 2010 From: subscribed at gnuzealand.com (Bruce Clement) Date: Mon Feb 22 16:36:07 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting presenters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9da4db1f1002211936y6fe95246i168110b098074c04@mail.gmail.com> Hi Nevyn, After far too long a time of not coming to LUG meetings I'm planning on attending the March one. I'm happy to defer to the decision of the people who have actually attended in the past year or so, but personally would be happy to attend whever there's a presentation or not. Regards Bruce On 22 February 2010 16:26, Nevyn wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I've just been trying to organise the AuckLUG meeting. We have a > venue, though the 2 people I had hoped were doing a presentation are > both busy on the 1st of March (being the 1st Monday of the month). > > So the question now is, what do we do? Do we postpone for a week? Does > anyone want to do a presentation on Monday? Do we go to the pub > instead and just have a very informal chat? > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Bruce Clement Home: http://www.clement.co.nz/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/Bruce_Clement Google Buzz: http://www.google.com/profiles/aotearoanz "Before attempting to create something new, it is vital to have a good appreciation of everything that already exists in this field." Mikhail Kalashnikov From blakjak at blakjak.net Mon Feb 22 16:39:23 2010 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Mon Feb 22 16:39:31 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting presenters In-Reply-To: <9da4db1f1002211936y6fe95246i168110b098074c04@mail.gmail.com> References: <9da4db1f1002211936y6fe95246i168110b098074c04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Suggested it before, but why not a show-and-tell or a 'workshop' session of some sort? Something like a BoF (Birds of a Feather) session without too muich formal structdure... On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, Bruce Clement wrote: > Hi Nevyn, > > After far too long a time of not coming to LUG meetings I'm planning > on attending the March one. I'm happy to defer to the decision of the > people who have actually attended in the past year or so, but > personally would be happy to attend whever there's a presentation or > not. > > Regards > > Bruce > > On 22 February 2010 16:26, Nevyn wrote: >> Hi Guys, >> >> I've just been trying to organise the AuckLUG meeting. We have a >> venue, though the 2 people I had hoped were doing a presentation are >> both busy on the 1st of March (being the 1st Monday of the month). >> >> So the question now is, what do we do? Do we postpone for a week? Does >> anyone want to do a presentation on Monday? Do we go to the pub >> instead and just have a very informal chat? >> >> Regards, >> Nevyn. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > > > -- > Bruce Clement > > Home: http://www.clement.co.nz/ > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Bruce_Clement > Google Buzz: http://www.google.com/profiles/aotearoanz > > "Before attempting to create something new, it is vital to have a good > appreciation of everything that already exists in this field." Mikhail > Kalashnikov > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From robin.paulson at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 22:02:57 2010 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Mon Feb 22 22:03:10 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting presenters In-Reply-To: References: <9da4db1f1002211936y6fe95246i168110b098074c04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2771002220102q42022b3fg8787fdc6f36e2d6b@mail.gmail.com> On 22 February 2010 16:39, Mark Foster wrote: > Suggested it before, but why not a show-and-tell or a 'workshop' session of > some sort? ?Something like a BoF (Birds of a Feather) session without too > muich formal structdure... this sounds good mark, as an alternative to below >>> I've just been trying to organise the AuckLUG meeting. We have a >>> venue, though the 2 people I had hoped were doing a presentation are >>> both busy on the 1st of March (being the 1st Monday of the month). >>> >>> So the question now is, what do we do? Do we postpone for a week? Does >>> anyone want to do a presentation on Monday? Do we go to the pub >>> instead and just have a very informal chat? i'd suggest stick to the known format. a get together every first of the month, regardless. if there are no speakers, we go to the pub From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 22:36:39 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Feb 22 22:36:49 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting presenters In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2771002220102q42022b3fg8787fdc6f36e2d6b@mail.gmail.com> References: <9da4db1f1002211936y6fe95246i168110b098074c04@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2771002220102q42022b3fg8787fdc6f36e2d6b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Robin Paulson wrote: > On 22 February 2010 16:39, Mark Foster wrote: >> Suggested it before, but why not a show-and-tell or a 'workshop' session of >> some sort? ?Something like a BoF (Birds of a Feather) session without too >> muich formal structdure... > > this sounds good mark, as an alternative to below > >>>> I've just been trying to organise the AuckLUG meeting. We have a >>>> venue, though the 2 people I had hoped were doing a presentation are >>>> both busy on the 1st of March (being the 1st Monday of the month). >>>> >>>> So the question now is, what do we do? Do we postpone for a week? Does >>>> anyone want to do a presentation on Monday? Do we go to the pub >>>> instead and just have a very informal chat? > > i'd suggest stick to the known format. a get together every first of > the month, regardless. if there are no speakers, we go to the pub Sweet. I'm inclined to go with Mark's suggestion of a "show and tell" and debug meeting. So keep to OSS, if there's really nothing much to talk about, we may end up at the pub but otherwise, I think we've got enough to go on. I'll put the annoucement out tomorrow. Regards, Nevyn. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 23 09:29:48 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Feb 23 09:29:56 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - Is the university the best venue? In-Reply-To: References: <4B81DBFE.5050106@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <764956.63125.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Perhaps we should have a recycling drive the week before? > Collect old computers, throw a light weight distro on, > hand them out during software freedom day. I've been trying to get a hold of the eDay people (eday.org.nz), but I've yet to get any sort of response back from them. It would seem a mutually-beneficial relationship, with them supplying a some old kit & we providing the techies & software. Will follow up after a bit of work - J From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 23 09:36:04 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Feb 23 09:36:19 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting presenters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <107803.16557.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >So the question now is, what do we do? Do we postpone for a week? Does >anyone want to do a presentation on Monday? Do we go to the pub >instead and just have a very informal chat? So does this mean the ASHS & linux.conf.au catch-up is no more, or are those separate events/presentations/discussions for a different time & place? From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 09:46:03 2010 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Feb 23 09:46:16 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting presenters In-Reply-To: <107803.16557.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <107803.16557.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2771002221246q4462a531ya5f0b0f2ee898201@mail.gmail.com> On 23 February 2010 09:36, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >>So the question now is, what do we do? Do we postpone for a week? Does >>anyone want to do a presentation on Monday? Do we go to the pub >>instead and just have a very informal chat? > > So does this mean the ASHS & linux.conf.au catch-up is no more, or are those separate events/presentations/discussions for a different time & place? > err, the ashs event was separate wasn't it? different people, venue and date. did anyone even organise an LCA catchup? From john at og.co.nz Tue Feb 23 12:24:25 2010 From: john at og.co.nz (john) Date: Tue Feb 23 12:35:59 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] best file system for usb ram sticks? Message-ID: <4B831229.3000200@og.co.nz> Hi guys Does anyone know which is the best filesystem for USB memory sticks? In the past I tried jfs and it worked brilliantly (infinitely faster than the ghastly FAT and VFAT systems that usually come with the sticks) But Googling recently, I found references to: jffs2 yaffs developed especially for the limitations of static ram devices and their limited number of writes. There is a lot of conflicting advice on the internet - some saying that the hardware of the devices ensures equal distribution of writes across the device, others saying that journalling is early death to the devces. Do any of you know the real story? Its important for me that the filesystem can take large files (full system archives for VMs) John O'Gorman From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 12:42:49 2010 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Feb 23 12:42:58 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] best file system for usb ram sticks? In-Reply-To: <4B831229.3000200@og.co.nz> References: <4B831229.3000200@og.co.nz> Message-ID: <2f3aa2771002221542w7e1e82e9ya4c1975fba9dc432@mail.gmail.com> On 23 February 2010 12:24, john wrote: > But Googling recently, I found references to: > ?jffs2 > yaffs > developed especially for the limitations of static ram devices and their > limited number of writes. > There is a lot of conflicting advice on the internet - some saying that > the hardware of the devices ensures equal distribution of writes across > the device, others saying that journalling is early death to the devces. from what i've heard, i think most modern flash devices do wear-levelling at the hardware level, rather than relying on the user picking a decent filesystem. whether this only applies to decent quality branded drives, or everything including the $10 generic sticks, i don't know is this only for linux/bsd etc, or do you need it readable in windows machines as well? From 3djake at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 13:11:38 2010 From: 3djake at gmail.com (3djake) Date: Tue Feb 23 13:11:47 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] best file system for usb ram sticks? In-Reply-To: <4B831229.3000200@og.co.nz> References: <4B831229.3000200@og.co.nz> Message-ID: <9df0fa531002221611g3a79d91doaa1d75b4e932546b@mail.gmail.com> I dont know the best and you guys are probably more knowledgeable about this stuff but I will give my input any way, For portable storage devices I like to stick with something that works with any device, like DVD/mp3 player's, Mac,windows and of course gnu/linux Fat32 is not good if you have heaps of small files NTFS uses a large amount of space for something (i dont know what) so you will have less space and it does not encrypt you files with ext3 there is no need for defragmentation. WIN!!.and support for encryption and compression, The compression may come in handy for small flash drives :) I do not know much about other filesystems On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:24 PM, john wrote: > Hi guys > > Does anyone know which is the best filesystem for USB memory sticks? > > In the past I tried jfs and it worked brilliantly (infinitely faster > than the ghastly FAT and VFAT systems that usually come with the sticks) > > But Googling recently, I found references to: > jffs2 > yaffs > developed especially for the limitations of static ram devices and their > limited number of writes. > There is a lot of conflicting advice on the internet - some saying that > the hardware of the devices ensures equal distribution of writes across > the device, others saying that journalling is early death to the devces. > > Do any of you know the real story? > Its important for me that the filesystem can take large files (full > system archives for VMs) > > John O'Gorman > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 13:14:39 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Feb 23 13:14:47 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting presenters In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2771002221246q4462a531ya5f0b0f2ee898201@mail.gmail.com> References: <107803.16557.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002221246q4462a531ya5f0b0f2ee898201@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Robin Paulson wrote: > On 23 February 2010 09:36, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >>>So the question now is, what do we do? Do we postpone for a week? Does >>>anyone want to do a presentation on Monday? Do we go to the pub >>>instead and just have a very informal chat? >> >> So does this mean the ASHS & linux.conf.au catch-up is no more, or are those separate events/presentations/discussions for a different time & place? >> > > err, the ashs event was separate wasn't it? different people, venue and date. > > did anyone even organise an LCA catchup? There was someone who had volunteered to do a LCA catchup at the AuckLUG meeting though this Monday is no good for him. It was always going to be different. There's a real education focus to ASHS. I'm waiting to announce the ASHS meeting next week - after the AuckLUG meeting. From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 13:19:57 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Feb 23 13:20:04 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - Is the university the best venue? In-Reply-To: <764956.63125.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4B81DBFE.5050106@clear.net.nz> <764956.63125.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >> Perhaps we should have a recycling drive the week before? >> Collect old computers, throw a light weight distro on, >> hand them out during software freedom day. > > I've been trying to get a hold of the eDay people (eday.org.nz), but I've yet to get any sort of response back from them. > It would seem a mutually-beneficial relationship, with them supplying a some old kit & we providing the techies & software. > > Will follow up after a bit of work > > - J I'm not sure the guys from e-day are ever going to be interested in talking to us. The problem there is that the old kit is worth something to them. Whether it's to on-sell the computers or to send them overseas for deconstruction and recycling of their base parts is irrelevant. The main concern is that they make money off that equipment that they collect and they're not going to be happy with us rummaging through and getting the best of their gear. So I propose that we arrange our own recycling event. The stuff we can't use, we throw at e-day. The rest we try to do something community based with - either giving them to schools after a thorough going over with Linux and testing of hardware (hard drives and power supplies) or giving them to kids who would benefit from having and under their normal circumstances are unable to afford them. Regards, Nevyn From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 23 13:20:08 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Feb 23 13:20:17 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting presenters In-Reply-To: References: <107803.16557.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002221246q4462a531ya5f0b0f2ee898201@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <763824.18171.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >There was someone who had volunteered to do a LCA catchup at the >AuckLUG meeting though this Monday is no good for him. dang! that's a pity >It was always going to be different. There's a real education focus to >ASHS. I'm waiting to announce the ASHS meeting next week - after the >AuckLUG meeting. sweet. Edu seems to be hot topic right now. ASHS also has a pretty impressive VM setup, which I find interesting. Whenever/wherever (within reason) you're ready, I'll be there - J From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 23 13:44:40 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Feb 23 13:44:50 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - Is the university the best venue? In-Reply-To: References: <4B81DBFE.5050106@clear.net.nz> <764956.63125.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <470017.78342.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >The main concern is that they make money off that equipment I don't see this as a problem; they can still sell the systems. We would just be more volunteers. People can get parts/systems in exchange for a donation, & I know in the past they've donated quite a few of those refurbished collected kit to schools. The best recycling they can so is to completely reuse the system for a few years more. >So I propose that we arrange our own recycling event. Cool, but the timing may be a bit off. The eDay is a week or 2 prior to the SFD. But you're right; we can drop of all the unwanted goods @ eday But cooperation does have a few very definite benefits: * As per your earlier suggestion, this may be a means to open the SFD's focus beyond simply software, but to other fields too. There are plenty of cool stuff you can do with old kit, like art, RepRap & other DIY parts, or finding that bit of hardware a family PC may need to keep it going for the next 2 years or so. * combined venue & marketing * more helpers for both efforts * an opportunity for us tinkerers to dump those busted projects in a controlled manner * reusing is better than recycling * visibility for our own endeavor; people that drop off "junk" at the eDay may wonder "why the free software?" IMO, there is more to gain from working together than trying to work independently. Well, that's my feeling, and unless I actually hear back from these folks, it's pure conjecture anyhow - J P.S. I see on recent reports that the 2020 trust (organizers of the eDay) are in a spot of trouble re the export of hazardous meterials without the correct paperwork (who'da thunk it?), so until that *little hickup* has been sorted out, it's a pretty moot point From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 14:28:56 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Feb 23 14:29:30 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - Is the university the best venue? In-Reply-To: <470017.78342.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4B81DBFE.5050106@clear.net.nz> <764956.63125.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <470017.78342.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > P.S. I see on recent reports that the 2020 trust (organizers of the eDay) are in a spot of trouble re the export of hazardous meterials without the correct paperwork (who'da thunk it?), so until that *little hickup* has been sorted out, it's a pretty moot point Is that still going? The problem was with monitors. Monitors that aren't working are considered to be hazardous waste and monitors that are, are normally shipped to the US for re-use. So in a single container, just having a couple of monitors that aren't working can land you in a heap of trouble. The company involved had a bunch of bunch of containers waiting to go on except that they had been seized so they were paying for the use of the containers and the space to store them. So it's quite likely the company may end up out of business given the loses they're making. This has been going on since just after their last eday (around SFD last year). Regards, Nevyn. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 23 14:36:56 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Feb 23 14:37:04 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - Is the university the best venue? In-Reply-To: References: <4B81DBFE.5050106@clear.net.nz> <764956.63125.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <470017.78342.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <562473.7193.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >So it's quite likely the >company may end up out of business given the loses they're making. WTH? so it seems no good deed goes unpunished.... pity.... Schools in Nepal was the last project I read about From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 23 16:06:06 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Feb 23 16:06:15 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] best file system for usb ram sticks? In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2771002221542w7e1e82e9ya4c1975fba9dc432@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B831229.3000200@og.co.nz> <2f3aa2771002221542w7e1e82e9ya4c1975fba9dc432@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <230983.17172.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >from what i've heard, i think most modern flash devices do >wear-levelling at the hardware level, rather than relying on the user >picking a decent filesystem. I think you're right here. I looked into it a while back when researching running VoIP systems on a stick, and it seems that most modern SD media has "block rotation" build in to prevent repetitive writes happening to the same are on the media (can't find the reference now) Been running FreeSwitch off a CF for a few months now, and it's not melted or caught fire....yet Re filesystems: unfortunately NTFS (-3g) is the only "universal" FS I could find (other than FATx, that is) that works on the win, lin & mac, and is suitable to lug large files, like distro's/ISO's around. It's not ideal, but it works OK (unless you fail to dismount properly.....) - J From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 16:21:40 2010 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Feb 23 16:21:49 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] best file system for usb ram sticks? In-Reply-To: <230983.17172.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4B831229.3000200@og.co.nz> <2f3aa2771002221542w7e1e82e9ya4c1975fba9dc432@mail.gmail.com> <230983.17172.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2771002221921r10543cabu734d03e889546bc6@mail.gmail.com> On 23 February 2010 16:06, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > I think you're right here. I looked into it a while back when researching running VoIP systems on a stick, and it seems that most modern SD media has "block rotation" build in to prevent repetitive writes happening to the same are on the media (can't find the reference now) > Been running FreeSwitch off a CF for a few months now, and it's not melted or caught fire....yet > > Re filesystems: unfortunately NTFS (-3g) is the only "universal" FS I could find (other than FATx, that is) that works on the win, lin & mac, and is suitable to lug large files, like distro's/ISO's around. > It's not ideal, but it works OK (unless you fail to dismount properly.....) or, there's things like this: http://www.fs-driver.org/ which let's windows read and write to ext2 drives. of course, it won't be tested as much as ext2 on linux/bsd, but it may be reliable enough From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 16:39:18 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Feb 23 16:39:27 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] best file system for usb ram sticks? In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2771002221921r10543cabu734d03e889546bc6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B831229.3000200@og.co.nz> <2f3aa2771002221542w7e1e82e9ya4c1975fba9dc432@mail.gmail.com> <230983.17172.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002221921r10543cabu734d03e889546bc6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Robin Paulson wrote: > On 23 February 2010 16:06, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >> I think you're right here. I looked into it a while back when researching running VoIP systems on a stick, and it seems that most modern SD media has "block rotation" build in to prevent repetitive writes happening to the same are on the media (can't find the reference now) >> Been running FreeSwitch off a CF for a few months now, and it's not melted or caught fire....yet >> >> Re filesystems: unfortunately NTFS (-3g) is the only "universal" FS I could find (other than FATx, that is) that works on the win, lin & mac, and is suitable to lug large files, like distro's/ISO's around. >> It's not ideal, but it works OK (unless you fail to dismount properly.....) > > or, there's things like this: > http://www.fs-driver.org/ > which let's windows read and write to ext2 drives. of course, it won't > be tested as much as ext2 on linux/bsd, but it may be reliable enough Of course the problem with that solution is that it's not truly portable. Because it installs a kernel mode driver, you have to have admin rights to the Windows machine (and a reboot to install it properly). Perfectly fine if you're only going to be using it on machines where admin rights is not an issue but not so great if you're going to be using it on machines you don't have full rights to. Regards, Nevyn. From r.carter at cs.auckland.ac.nz Tue Feb 23 16:45:12 2010 From: r.carter at cs.auckland.ac.nz (Robert Carter) Date: Tue Feb 23 16:45:24 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] best file system for usb ram sticks? In-Reply-To: <230983.17172.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4B831229.3000200@og.co.nz> <2f3aa2771002221542w7e1e82e9ya4c1975fba9dc432@mail.gmail.com> <230983.17172.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <19627880-AFC8-4D4D-BFF0-43BF822B5C9F@cs.auckland.ac.nz> I reckon FAT32 is still the most compatible. Mac can't natively write (but can read) NTFS without installing NTFS3g. It's cool that the stick is doing the block management internally. 16 Gb for $60 I think is quite reasonable and very practical. Incidentally the modern HD video cameras are using flash memory (SD cards) for storage - meaning around 250 hours of HD recording on two little cards. Rob On 23/02/2010, at 4:06 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >> from what i've heard, i think most modern flash devices do >> wear-levelling at the hardware level, rather than relying on the user >> picking a decent filesystem. > > I think you're right here. I looked into it a while back when > researching running VoIP systems on a stick, and it seems that most > modern SD media has "block rotation" build in to prevent repetitive > writes happening to the same are on the media (can't find the > reference now) > Been running FreeSwitch off a CF for a few months now, and it's not > melted or caught fire....yet > > Re filesystems: unfortunately NTFS (-3g) is the only "universal" FS > I could find (other than FATx, that is) that works on the win, lin & > mac, and is suitable to lug large files, like distro's/ISO's around. > It's not ideal, but it works OK (unless you fail to dismount > properly.....) > > - J > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 16:52:35 2010 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Feb 23 16:53:40 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] best file system for usb ram sticks? In-Reply-To: References: <4B831229.3000200@og.co.nz> <2f3aa2771002221542w7e1e82e9ya4c1975fba9dc432@mail.gmail.com> <230983.17172.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002221921r10543cabu734d03e889546bc6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2771002221952v7c90031bg3238456f0ab31782@mail.gmail.com> On 23 February 2010 16:39, Nevyn wrote: > Of course the problem with that solution is that it's not truly > portable. Because it installs a kernel mode driver, you have to have > admin rights to the Windows machine (and a reboot to install it > properly). Perfectly fine if you're only going to be using it on > machines where admin rights is not an issue but not so great if you're > going to be using it on machines you don't have full rights to. very true. there are read-only ext2 apps as well, which don't require admin access to use. no idea about write-access without admin rights though From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 23 16:53:21 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Feb 23 16:53:58 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] best file system for usb ram sticks? In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2771002221921r10543cabu734d03e889546bc6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B831229.3000200@og.co.nz> <2f3aa2771002221542w7e1e82e9ya4c1975fba9dc432@mail.gmail.com> <230983.17172.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002221921r10543cabu734d03e889546bc6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <477056.46527.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >which let's windows read and write to ext2 drives. that's pretty cool, thanks. the last I checked, there was only support for read, but writing was problematic. is it stable now? any corruption? for mac, there is the FUSE project, that provides NTFS-3g & EXTx support (http://sourceforge.net/projects/fuse-ext2/) seems all the basis are covered now :) this looks like a very decent alternative to NTFS-3g thanks -J From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 16:57:13 2010 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Feb 23 16:57:22 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] best file system for usb ram sticks? In-Reply-To: <477056.46527.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4B831229.3000200@og.co.nz> <2f3aa2771002221542w7e1e82e9ya4c1975fba9dc432@mail.gmail.com> <230983.17172.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002221921r10543cabu734d03e889546bc6@mail.gmail.com> <477056.46527.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2771002221957u6d311f50oc3bf3e7111af5fbc@mail.gmail.com> On 23 February 2010 16:53, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > the last I checked, there was only support for read, but writing was problematic. > is it stable now? any corruption? i dunno. i very occasionally read from an ext partition in windows, that's all. not with this, some other app i can't remember the name of i wouldn't let windows write to my ubuntu partitions, not in a million years From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 23 17:08:01 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Feb 23 17:08:15 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] best file system for usb ram sticks? In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2771002221957u6d311f50oc3bf3e7111af5fbc@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B831229.3000200@og.co.nz> <2f3aa2771002221542w7e1e82e9ya4c1975fba9dc432@mail.gmail.com> <230983.17172.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002221921r10543cabu734d03e889546bc6@mail.gmail.com> <477056.46527.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002221957u6d311f50oc3bf3e7111af5fbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <630139.42665.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >i wouldn't let windows write to my ubuntu partitions, not in a million years That's what concerns me too. A universal FS is something that is both safely readable & writable in win, lin & mac, otherwise there's little point. I'll attempt the EXT r/w with a tiny USB-stick for now, but I'll think twice before dumping my NTFS-3g ISO dump From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 18:43:18 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Feb 23 18:43:31 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] best file system for usb ram sticks? In-Reply-To: <630139.42665.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4B831229.3000200@og.co.nz> <2f3aa2771002221542w7e1e82e9ya4c1975fba9dc432@mail.gmail.com> <230983.17172.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002221921r10543cabu734d03e889546bc6@mail.gmail.com> <477056.46527.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002221957u6d311f50oc3bf3e7111af5fbc@mail.gmail.com> <630139.42665.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > A universal FS is something that is both safely readable & writable in win, lin & mac, otherwise there's little point. The problem I have with this is why should we let MS dictate what that universal format is? Both Mac and Linux support a really wide range of File Systems as do Solaris, BSD etc. Windows is the lowest common denominator simply because they don't want to play well with others. And then threaten people with patents.... (as for Tom Tom - they use Linux, use a Mozilla framework for their updating software and yet don't provide any usable support for Linux) Regards, Nevyn. From john at og.co.nz Tue Feb 23 22:21:33 2010 From: john at og.co.nz (john) Date: Tue Feb 23 22:33:06 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] best file system for usb ram sticks? In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2771002221542w7e1e82e9ya4c1975fba9dc432@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B831229.3000200@og.co.nz> <2f3aa2771002221542w7e1e82e9ya4c1975fba9dc432@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B839E1D.8010908@og.co.nz> Robin Paulson wrote: > from what i've heard, i think most modern flash devices do > wear-levelling at the hardware level, rather than relying on the user > picking a decent filesystem. whether this only applies to decent > quality branded drives, or everything including the $10 generic > sticks, i don't know > > is this only for linux/bsd etc, or do you need it readable in windows > machines as well? > No. I never use windows. My only concern is fast and reliable backups and restores or transfer to VMs. John O'Gorman > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > From r.carter at cs.auckland.ac.nz Wed Feb 24 07:18:30 2010 From: r.carter at cs.auckland.ac.nz (Robert Carter) Date: Wed Feb 24 07:18:45 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] best file system for usb ram sticks? In-Reply-To: References: <4B831229.3000200@og.co.nz> <2f3aa2771002221542w7e1e82e9ya4c1975fba9dc432@mail.gmail.com> <230983.17172.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002221921r10543cabu734d03e889546bc6@mail.gmail.com> <477056.46527.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002221957u6d311f50oc3bf3e7111af5fbc@mail.gmail.com> <630139.42665.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <363EDE03-1C1B-4631-AAB2-C0C0ADA762E8@cs.auckland.ac.nz> Like so many things with technology, it not fair, or right. But if you want a USB drive you can stick into almost any computer and be able to share files, we're stuck with the defacto (admittedly not ideal) standard that has emerged. Alternatively, you could make the USB drive a bootable linux and boot the OS from it. That way you control the whole environment and you can use whatever you like. This does bring a new set of problems and incompatibilities and seems like overkill if you just want to copy over some videos. Rob On 23/02/2010, at 6:43 PM, Nevyn wrote: > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Jaco van der Merwe > wrote: >> >> A universal FS is something that is both safely readable & writable >> in win, lin & mac, otherwise there's little point. > > The problem I have with this is why should we let MS dictate what that > universal format is? Both Mac and Linux support a really wide range of > File Systems as do Solaris, BSD etc. Windows is the lowest common > denominator simply because they don't want to play well with others. > > And then threaten people with patents.... (as for Tom Tom - they use > Linux, use a Mozilla framework for their updating software and yet > don't provide any usable support for Linux) > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Feb 24 09:48:51 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Feb 24 09:49:00 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] best file system for usb ram sticks? In-Reply-To: References: <4B831229.3000200@og.co.nz> <2f3aa2771002221542w7e1e82e9ya4c1975fba9dc432@mail.gmail.com> <230983.17172.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002221921r10543cabu734d03e889546bc6@mail.gmail.com> <477056.46527.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002221957u6d311f50oc3bf3e7111af5fbc@mail.gmail.com> <630139.42665.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <499325.78367.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >The problem I have with this is why should we let MS dictate what that >universal format is? It's not what ms dictates, but what their users use; 90% of the laymen computer users. I understand the need to be pure of free or libre, etc, but FAT, vFAT/FAT32 & NTFS is what does work on them all (& in most cases without the need for extra 3rd-party software). IF there was a FLOSS alternative (which you've now presented me, thanks), I would use it, and encourage others to do so too (ref: TomTom) >Windows is the lowest common >denominator simply because they don't want to play well with others. Whatever the reason or reasoning, the facts remain the same.... if I want to play nice with other, average users, I need to "speak to them" in their own level; even if that means down (or over Samba.... another play-nice-with-win compatibility technology) It's a compatibility-thing - J From robin.paulson at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 10:11:53 2010 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Wed Feb 24 10:12:03 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] best file system for usb ram sticks? In-Reply-To: <499325.78367.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4B831229.3000200@og.co.nz> <2f3aa2771002221542w7e1e82e9ya4c1975fba9dc432@mail.gmail.com> <230983.17172.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002221921r10543cabu734d03e889546bc6@mail.gmail.com> <477056.46527.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002221957u6d311f50oc3bf3e7111af5fbc@mail.gmail.com> <630139.42665.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <499325.78367.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2771002231311w58972b69mf0cc3300e1da267e@mail.gmail.com> On 24 February 2010 09:48, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >>The problem I have with this is why should we let MS dictate what that >>universal format is? > It's not what ms dictates, but what their users use; 90% of the laymen computer users. i hope youi're not suggesting windows users have made a conscious choice to use FAT? if you are, i have news. > I understand the need to be pure of free or libre, etc, but FAT, vFAT/FAT32 & NTFS is what does work on them all (& in most for some value of the word 'work'. if your value of the word happens to include decent performance, etc., then i'd suggest FAT doesn't 'work' at all > cases without the need for extra 3rd-party software). > IF there was a FLOSS alternative (which you've now presented me, thanks), I would use it, and encourage others to do so too (ref: TomTom) > From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Feb 24 10:21:09 2010 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Feb 24 10:21:09 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] best file system for usb ram sticks? In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2771002231311w58972b69mf0cc3300e1da267e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B831229.3000200@og.co.nz> <2f3aa2771002221542w7e1e82e9ya4c1975fba9dc432@mail.gmail.com> <230983.17172.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002221921r10543cabu734d03e889546bc6@mail.gmail.com> <477056.46527.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002221957u6d311f50oc3bf3e7111af5fbc@mail.gmail.com> <630139.42665.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <499325.78367.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002231311w58972b69mf0cc3300e1da267e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B8446C5.3010208@catalyst.net.nz> Robin Paulson wrote: > for some value of the word 'work'. if your value of the word happens > to include decent performance, etc., then i'd suggest FAT doesn't > 'work' at all In this case though we're talking about using USB sticks for data transfer. Now I'm a dyed-in-the-wool FLOSS nut with a Tux tattooed on my arm, but even I can see that there is sod all point in having a USB stick full of wondrous FLOSS software and propaganda for the poor, disenfranchised Windows users that they can't even read it! It is just not possible to go around and apply sufficient volts to Microsoft-centric IT department heads to encourage them to support other disk formats. You'd blow fuses. Vik :v) From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Feb 24 10:39:02 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Feb 24 10:39:10 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] best file system for usb ram sticks? In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2771002231311w58972b69mf0cc3300e1da267e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B831229.3000200@og.co.nz> <2f3aa2771002221542w7e1e82e9ya4c1975fba9dc432@mail.gmail.com> <230983.17172.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002221921r10543cabu734d03e889546bc6@mail.gmail.com> <477056.46527.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002221957u6d311f50oc3bf3e7111af5fbc@mail.gmail.com> <630139.42665.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <499325.78367.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002231311w58972b69mf0cc3300e1da267e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <455665.28458.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >i hope youi're not suggesting windows users have made a conscious >choice to use FAT? if you are, i have news. Not at all; they've never really been presented with a choice to start with. But the bewildering number of FS choices has had absolutely 0 impact on their daily computer use. In fact, I would argue that it's brought a degree of standardization & stability to the storage market: if I pick up a random portable media player, I can reasonably expect it to have a flavor of FAT32 or vFAT, so that I can plug it into nearly any computer & retreive & dump data on it (I'm not talking about the iPod media management scheme here; that's a mess for another day) >happens >to include decent performance, etc., then i'd suggest FAT doesn't >'work' at all "it just works" (TM, etc), not works well. NTFS is an terribly slow, absolute resource hog, and I'd prefer doing without it. But we *still* make use of FAT-derivatives for our USB live-boot distro's (a 15 to 25 year-old FS, btw), something that win or mac cannot do, so that is an odd arrangement. I expect that to remain the case for many years to come (well after Reiser gets out of the slammer) - J From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Feb 24 10:40:07 2010 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Feb 24 10:40:16 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] best file system for usb ram sticks? In-Reply-To: <4B8446C5.3010208@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4B831229.3000200@og.co.nz> <2f3aa2771002221542w7e1e82e9ya4c1975fba9dc432@mail.gmail.com> <230983.17172.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002221921r10543cabu734d03e889546bc6@mail.gmail.com> <477056.46527.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002221957u6d311f50oc3bf3e7111af5fbc@mail.gmail.com> <630139.42665.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <499325.78367.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2771002231311w58972b69mf0cc3300e1da267e@mail.gmail.com> <4B8446C5.3010208@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <535103.90503.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >It is just not possible to go around and apply sufficient volts to Microsoft-centric IT department heads to encourage them to support other disk formats. >You'd blow fuses. Sounds like you're talking from bitter experience... From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 12:59:17 2010 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Feb 25 12:59:26 2010 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting Announcement - 1st March 2010 Message-ID: First AuckLUG meeting of the year! When: 1st March, 7pm Where: OSS, Level 1, 162 Grafton Road, Auckland (The Compass Building, corner of Grafton Rd and Khyber Pass, opposite the Southern Cross Healthcare building) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=-36.863399&mlon=174.764503&zoom=16 About: General "show and tell" and debug session. Bring in the gear you need help with. Show a bit of that bragging spirit. Tell us about any little projects you're doing.