From vik at catalyst.net.nz Tue Sep 1 10:32:35 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Sep 2 09:03:51 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? Message-ID: <4A9C4F83.4020404@catalyst.net.nz> I'm going to be ordering up a bunch of stuff from Mindkits. Didn't someone want Arduinos? Vik :v) From c.mills at auckland.ac.nz Wed Sep 2 09:14:24 2009 From: c.mills at auckland.ac.nz (Clark Mills) Date: Wed Sep 2 09:14:38 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] FWD: Programme for IEEE NZ Wireless Workshop 2009 - Friday 4 September Message-ID: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> Hi all. Forwarded message FYI. Agreed, this is not Linux specific but there may be some technical people on this list that this workshop could be of interest to. Kind regards... Clark ===================================================== *Subject:* Programme for IEEE NZ Wireless Workshop 2009 - (4 September) Dear colleagues This is a reminder that the *2009 IEEE New Zealand Wireless Workshop* is to be held 9:30am - 5pm, Friday, 4 September, 2009 Conference Centre Auditorium The University of Auckland 24 Symonds Street Auckland Registration: None (This is a free-of-charge event) *The programme for the Wireless Workshop is now on-line at: *http://www.ece.auckland.ac.nz/~pgrad/ieeenzwws.pdf The Conference Centre Auditorium on Symonds Street is physically connected to the Engineering School on Level 4 (street level). Car parking is available (for a fee) in a large university public access carpark under the huge new Business School on Grafton Road, near the intersection with Symonds Street). http://www.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/home/tm-visitor-parking There is also pay-and-display parking on the surrounding streets (but not on Symonds Street). Attached is a City Campus map showing the locations of the Conference Centre and the public parking building. Thank you to those who have already indicated your attendance (or otherwise). Planning was assisted by your responses. Please note that there is no requirement to register for this event. You are welcome to attend as much, or as little, of the day as suits you. IEEE membership is not a requirement. Best regards Kevin Sowerby IEEE ComSoc NZ Chapter From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 2 09:29:11 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Sep 2 09:36:02 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? In-Reply-To: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> References: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> Message-ID: <960728.11142.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Count me in for 1, possibly 2 ('case I'm BOUND to fry at least 1) cheap, entry-level units that'll aide in the learning experience. What do you think: 1x UTP & 1 x USB based unit? Please add your own mark-up for the effort Thanks -Jaco From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Sep 2 10:13:06 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Sep 2 10:13:24 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? In-Reply-To: <960728.11142.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> <960728.11142.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A9D9C72.60601@catalyst.net.nz> On 02/09/09 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Count me in for 1, possibly 2 ('case I'm BOUND to fry at least 1) > cheap, entry-level units that'll aide in the learning experience. > What do you think: 1x UTP & 1 x USB based unit? > > Please add your own mark-up for the effort OK. Sounds like a good mix. You can even use the USB unit to program the UTP one :) I'll put an order in tonight. Vik :v) From um.167 at xtra.co.nz Wed Sep 2 11:06:34 2009 From: um.167 at xtra.co.nz (Alaric) Date: Wed Sep 2 11:06:56 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mandriva Spring 2009 (John Rye) Message-ID: <4A9DA8FA.80407@xtra.co.nz> aucklug-request@linux.net.nz wrote: > Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to > aucklug@linux.net.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: Can't access network or Internet from Linux Mint (Nevyn) > 2. Re: Mandriva 2009 Spring (Nevyn) > 3. Re: Mandriva 2009 Spring (John Rye) > 4. Booting from Flash Drive (Jaco van der Merwe) > 5. Re: Booting from Flash Drive (Nevyn) > 6. Re: Booting from Flash Drive (Jaco van der Merwe) > 7. Re: Booting from Flash Drive (Vik Olliver) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:06:23 +1200 > From: Nevyn > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Re: Can't access network or Internet from Linux > Mint > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 9:56 AM, wrote: >>> I have two virtual machines (Linux Mint and Windows XP) on a Windows >>> XP host. I am using VMware Server 1. >>> >>> I can't access the network or the Internet using Linux Mint. I think >>> it was working fine until a few days ago because I installed >>> Evolution a few days ago. The Windows virtual machine is accessing my >>> Windows network and the Internet without any problems. >>> >>> I tried, unsuccessfully, to ping the modem, router and host. >> I have just noticed that the same problem is now occuring with the >> Windows virtual machine as well whereas it was working fine on >> Saturday. Consequently, the problem doesn't seem to be anything to do >> with the linux virtual machine. The host is not having any problems >> that I am aware of. >> >> I think I will take copies of the virtual machines, recover the host >> from a backup created using RAID, reinstall VMware and reinstall the >> virtual machines from the copies. >> >> Don Johnston > > Sounds like something's gone wrong with the way Windows is handling > the virtual network devices. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:22:34 +1200 > From: Nevyn > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Mandriva 2009 Spring > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Alaric wrote: >> Morning. I am having a problem with 2009 Spring. I run a Pentium 4 dual >> core on an elite motherboard with 2 gig of memory and two hard disks with >> ample free space. The last paid version of Mandriva I have is 2008 Spring >> which runs OK. Last year the update service offered 2009 as an update and >> this downloaded and installed without problems though it re-introduced a >> problem from earlier versions that Kded crashed regularly. It didn't seem >> to matter. Earlier this year they offered 2009 Spring as an update. This >> failed halfway through the download with a message that a file was missing. >> The wizard offered to continue regardless but actually it didn't, it began >> again from the beginning. The installation failed and my system was stuffed. >> I tried to reload 2009.0 from a disk supplied through the Linux magazine >> but the installation crashed with a fatal error 'Cannot load the kernel into >> memory'. I re-installed 2008. In all the kerfuffle over 2009 Spring I >> ended up with an iso image of the gnome version of the programme. A few >> days ago I tried this to see if it would work. I loaded it live from the CD >> to make sure the kernel would load. It did and the programme looked OK so I >> opted for 'Install' from the icon on the desktop. It installed and came up >> running. Next day when I fired up I got a message 'Critical error.. View >> the bootlog.' Once I acknowledged the message the programme loaded and >> appeared to run normally. The bootlog showed that npviewer had caused a >> segmentation fault and if I read the log correctly this was because it had >> tried to write to read only memory. The internet shows that npviewer causes >> problems with Ubuntu and Firefox but apparently does not crash the system. >> There was one lone item from a Mandriva user who had had problems. The >> suggestion was made by one of the contributors that removing nswrapper >> seemed to solve the problem and I have done that. >> The next time I booted the boot failed completely with the same error >> message followed by a blank screen. I can boot in safe mode but the >> resulting screen will not accept any of the commands my admittedly old Linux >> manual says should bring up the xserver. >> The boot menu offers two other alternatives, 2-6.29.1 4mnb and 2-6.29.6 >> 2mnb. I can boot using the first of these but 29.6 crashes in the same way >> as vm-linuz. >> The bootlog does not show anything which appears relevant to my untrained >> eye. It does say that Bios may corrupt low memory and that it is working >> round that. It also shows a failure to reserve some memory. Is this a >> Mandriva problem or do I have a hardware problem? >> I note that 'free' returns the full 2 gig of memory but shows 664 mb used >> which to my admittedly ignorant view appears rather high with only Dolphin >> and OpenOffice running. The bootlog shows 2 gb of memory found. >> I have Linux Magazine versions of Ubuntu, Suse, Fedora, Debian and Knoppix >> (up to date in each case). While I have some idea of Debian I am reluctant >> at my age to start learning from the ground up. >> >> Alaric Wood > > Geez... Did you stop for breath during that entire rant? No white > space whatsoever. (My eyes are twitching from that). > > Okay, lets start from the beginning (or as close to it as I can get > without moaning about failed upgrades and the like). Given that you > can get into safe mode probably means that your base system is fine. > You can't get into X from "safe mode" (more commonly called single > user mode) because it doesn't create any such terminals to be able to > go into X. So that's working as expected. Besides which, the approach > should be to fix the problem, not find new and interesting (read: Just > plain awful) ways of bypassing it. > > npviewer looks like it's just part of flash, so the logical thing to > do would be to remove that. I think Mandriva is Redhat based so the > command to issue would be: > yum remove adobe-flash > or something like that... > > Also, reinstall ndiswrapper. It's just helped create an all new and > interesting problem which doesn't at all look related to your initial > problem. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:21:18 +1200 > From: John Rye > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Mandriva 2009 Spring > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > Message-ID: <20090831132118.372158d5.jrt746@clear.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:22:34 +1200 > Nevyn wrote: > > [snip][large] >>> only Dolphin and OpenOffice running. The bootlog shows 2 gb of memory >>> found. I have Linux Magazine versions of Ubuntu, Suse, Fedora, Debian >>> and Knoppix (up to date in each case). While I have some idea of >>> Debian I am reluctant at my age to start learning from the ground up. >>> >>> Alaric Wood >> Geez... Did you stop for breath during that entire rant? No white >> space whatsoever. (My eyes are twitching from that). >> >> Okay, lets start from the beginning (or as close to it as I can get >> without moaning about failed upgrades and the like). Given that you >> can get into safe mode probably means that your base system is fine. >> You can't get into X from "safe mode" (more commonly called single >> user mode) because it doesn't create any such terminals to be able to >> go into X. So that's working as expected. Besides which, the approach >> should be to fix the problem, not find new and interesting (read: Just >> plain awful) ways of bypassing it. >> >> npviewer looks like it's just part of flash, so the logical thing to >> do would be to remove that. I think Mandriva is Redhat based so the >> command to issue would be: >> yum remove adobe-flash >> or something like that... > > No! Not yet! > > Reboot. > >>From the grub menu select failsafe > > At the prompt enter 'init 3' and hit return > > If a splash screen is displayed hit the ESCAPE key to clear it > > Watch the fast flowing text and try to note any lines where '[failed]' is > displayed. > > You should see the screen clear and be presented with another login prompt > > Login as your normal user and type 'startx' and tell us what happens. > > If X fails to start you will see a bunch of text displayed. > > Look for any lines with [EE], note them and come back. > > John > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:53:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jaco van der Merwe > Subject: [AuckLUG] Booting from Flash Drive > To: AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > Message-ID: <271241.10337.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Been messing around a bit with various live booting options; most notably creating liveCD's & liveUSB's with UNetBootIn & usb-creator, or even just dd, on many media, including iPod's & "auto-replicating" USB HDD's > > Linux is easy as pie > Fun & games! > > Now, I have need of doing something similar with *gasp* windows. I have a legal copy (well, 2 if you include a copy on a busted old system too) of windows with the key & the "official" sticker & everything. > Unfortunately the only windows machine I still have functioning is in a VM. All others are either Linux, Mac, or some BSD-derivative > > I want to load XP (home or pro) onto a 4G SD card (Jolicloud's running from the onboard), so that I can use it with my eeePC, when I need to access devices with windows-only drivers (like my Behringer BCD 3000), or some other testing (like VoiP handsets, mobile device management, etc). > The bonus of this approach means that I can dd a copy of the functioning system, try something risky & then simply nuke the disk if worse comes to worse (ghetto-style ghosting). > > This is NOT for piracy purposes, but for legitimate persoanl use (would effectively mean my eeePC would be my only *real* windows machine, which suits me just fine). > > So, does anyone know how to create a "liveUSB" windows system on a GNU/Linux box? > I know this is not quite the space, but I have to ask > > -J > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:03:10 +1200 > From: Nevyn > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Booting from Flash Drive > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Jaco van der > Merwe wrote: >> Been messing around a bit with various live booting options; most notably creating liveCD's & liveUSB's with UNetBootIn & usb-creator, or even just dd, on many media, including iPod's & "auto-replicating" USB HDD's >> >> Linux is easy as pie >> Fun & games! >> >> Now, I have need of doing something similar with *gasp* windows. I have a legal copy (well, 2 if you include a copy on a busted old system too) of windows with the key & the "official" sticker & everything. >> Unfortunately the only windows machine I still have functioning is in a VM. All others are either Linux, Mac, or some BSD-derivative >> >> I want to load XP (home or pro) onto a 4G SD card (Jolicloud's running from the onboard), so that I can use it with my eeePC, when I need to access devices with windows-only drivers (like my Behringer BCD 3000), or some other testing (like VoiP handsets, mobile device management, etc). >> The bonus of this approach means that I can dd a copy of the functioning system, try something risky & then simply nuke the disk if worse comes to worse (ghetto-style ghosting). >> >> This is NOT for piracy purposes, but for legitimate persoanl use (would effectively mean my eeePC would be my only *real* windows machine, which suits me just fine). >> >> So, does anyone know how to create a "liveUSB" windows system on a GNU/Linux box? >> I know this is not quite the space, but I have to ask >> >> -J > > Can you use the Windows VM to create the image? That way you could use > BartPE to do it. I'm not sure of the legalities behind using BartPE > (that's a Windows discussion) but it does become possible.. There's a > document describing the process here: > http://www.scribd.com/doc/13257/Boot-Windows-XP-From-a-USB-Flash-Drive > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:27:54 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jaco van der Merwe > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Booting from Flash Drive > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: <795682.39656.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Close. > BartPE (or some derivative thereof) is what I'm currently investigating, but unfortunately it requires something I presently lack: > An operational windows system with a CDROM. > > Sure I can dd the CD from another machine into an ISO & mount that accordingly onto my VM client (sounds easy...though this comes pretty close to breaching EULA's). > If I'm going to do that, I need to "write" the contents of the target USB's media/partition to an ISO or some other media on the slave VM, in order to pull it out to the host & then dd it onto the SD/USB media. > > Seems a ball-ache, but I'll give that a try. > Don't see why it can't be a simple as a Linux machine. Even the OS/X installer allows you to install to an external media, like USB HDD, though they prefer firewire > > - J > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:42:55 +1200 > From: Vik Olliver > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Booting from Flash Drive > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: <4A9B46BF.4050806@catalyst.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 31/08/09 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >> Been messing around a bit with various live booting options; most >> notably creating liveCD's & liveUSB's with UNetBootIn & usb-creator, >> or even just dd, on many media, including iPod's & "auto-replicating" >> USB HDD's > > Found a live system that ends up with a live user's home partition on > the USB device? > > Vik :v) > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 51, Issue 39 > *************************************** > Sorry I have done the wrong thing (again.) I don't usually post because I always do it wrong and get told off. The internet is not native territory to me. I grew up in the age of inkwells and steel nibs. Init 3 did not show any fast flowing text. It showed 'terminating all processes' or words to that effect, gave the kernel version and then started up. Startx worked and brought up the gui screen without any faults. No text displayed. rebooting with ctrl alt del showed two funnies. An integer divide by zero error and WW SIS: No matching device section for instance (Bus ID PCI: 0@0:0:0) found. I don't know if that is significant. Alaric From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Sep 2 11:11:19 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Sep 2 11:11:28 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mandriva Spring 2009 (John Rye) In-Reply-To: <4A9DA8FA.80407@xtra.co.nz> References: <4A9DA8FA.80407@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: >> >> End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 51, Issue 39 >> *************************************** >> > Sorry I have done the wrong thing (again.) I don't usually post because I > always do it wrong and get told off. The internet is not native territory to > me. I grew up in the age of inkwells and steel nibs. Sorry to have to do it again Alaric, but you need to learn to quote more selectively. When you reply to an email, your client includes the previous email text as 'quoted material' to provide context. It is however a requirement of most mailing lists - including ours - that you remove the 'irrelevant' parts of the quote and stick to quoting bits actually relevant to your post. In this case you quoted an entire digest - probably the worst move of all. Please watch your quoting. It is in our AUP. :-) Mark. From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 11:29:43 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Sep 2 11:29:53 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? In-Reply-To: <4A9D9C72.60601@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> <960728.11142.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9D9C72.60601@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Vik Olliver wrote: > On 02/09/09 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >> >> ?Count me in for 1, possibly 2 ('case I'm BOUND to fry at least 1) >> ?cheap, entry-level units that'll aide in the learning experience. >> ?What do you think: 1x UTP & 1 x USB based unit? >> >> ?Please add your own mark-up for the effort > > OK. Sounds like a good mix. You can even use the USB unit to program the UTP > one :) I'll put an order in tonight. > > Vik :v) How much do they go for? From robin.paulson at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 11:45:42 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Wed Sep 2 11:45:59 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? In-Reply-To: References: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> <960728.11142.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9D9C72.60601@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770909011645q223b748bh7054fb73a32789f6@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/2 Nevyn : >>> ?Count me in for 1, possibly 2 ('case I'm BOUND to fry at least 1) >>> ?cheap, entry-level units that'll aide in the learning experience. >>> ?What do you think: 1x UTP & 1 x USB based unit? >>> >>> ?Please add your own mark-up for the effort >> >> OK. Sounds like a good mix. You can even use the USB unit to program the UTP >> one :) I'll put an order in tonight. >> >> Vik :v) > > How much do they go for? yeah, i'd be interested also. what's the price for the utp and for the usb units? From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Sep 2 11:47:12 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Sep 2 11:47:25 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? In-Reply-To: References: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> <960728.11142.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9D9C72.60601@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <4A9DB280.4010605@catalyst.net.nz> On 02/09/09 Nevyn wrote: > How much do they go for? Basic Arduino, NZ$60. Mini version NZ$35. Plus P&P, unsure about GST situation, and wife insists I recover some costs! http://www.mindkits.co.nz/_catalog_36241/Arduino_Boards Vik :v) From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 2 12:04:47 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Sep 2 12:05:01 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? In-Reply-To: <4A9DB280.4010605@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> <960728.11142.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9D9C72.60601@catalyst.net.nz> <4A9DB280.4010605@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <244808.96612.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I see from the WhoIs record they're based in town. Do you think we can dispense with the delivery cost if I go pick it up myself Say, $110 for UTP + USB units? From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 2 12:35:10 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Sep 2 12:42:22 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? In-Reply-To: <4A9DB280.4010605@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> <960728.11142.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9D9C72.60601@catalyst.net.nz> <4A9DB280.4010605@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <110070.81474.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> just had an idea: if mindkits are based in Auckland, can't we maybe ask them to set up a stall @ the SFD to demo & sell some of the units? will run this by them a bit later - J From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Sep 2 12:42:23 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Sep 2 12:42:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? In-Reply-To: <244808.96612.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> <960728.11142.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9D9C72.60601@catalyst.net.nz> <4A9DB280.4010605@catalyst.net.nz> <244808.96612.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A9DBF6F.5010207@catalyst.net.nz> On 02/09/09 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > I see from the WhoIs record they're based in town. > Do you think we can dispense with the delivery cost if I go pick it > up myself > Say, $110 for UTP + USB units? Go for it. Just let me know - I've got to order up some motors and stuff. Vik :v) From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Sep 2 12:45:17 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Sep 2 12:45:31 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? In-Reply-To: <110070.81474.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> <960728.11142.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9D9C72.60601@catalyst.net.nz> <4A9DB280.4010605@catalyst.net.nz> <110070.81474.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A9DC01D.9000205@catalyst.net.nz> On 02/09/09 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > just had an idea: > if mindkits are based in Auckland, can't we maybe ask them to set up > a stall @ the SFD to demo & sell some of the units? > > will run this by them a bit later It's Open Source, so it fits. Vik :v) From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Sep 2 13:25:43 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Sep 2 13:25:57 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? In-Reply-To: <110070.81474.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> <960728.11142.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9D9C72.60601@catalyst.net.nz> <4A9DB280.4010605@catalyst.net.nz> <110070.81474.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A9DC997.3080700@catalyst.net.nz> On 02/09/09 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > just had an idea: > if mindkits are based in Auckland, can't we maybe ask them to set up > a stall @ the SFD to demo & sell some of the units? > > will run this by them a bit later Sorry to steal the idea, but I e-mailed Tim and he'd be delighted to come along and flog Arduino bits. Vik :v) From kiirani at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 13:40:38 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Wed Sep 2 13:40:58 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mandriva Spring 2009 (John Rye) In-Reply-To: <4A9DA8FA.80407@xtra.co.nz> References: <4A9DA8FA.80407@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <2494ad260909011840y22660440j4796571be271854e@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/2 Alaric : > Sorry I have done the wrong thing (again.) ?I don't usually post because I > always do it wrong and get told off. ?The internet is not native territory > to me. ?I grew up in the age of inkwells and steel nibs. You would probably be better signing up for individual mails rather than the digest if you want to participate. This means you will get every email sent separately to your inbox (maybe create a folder for them to keep it tidy?) but it also means that you can just hit "reply" without offending people :) If you do want to switch to individual mails, go to this link: http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/options/aucklug and log in with your email and password (password reminder gets sent out once per month, so you can find it somewhere in your inbox or request a new reminder) Then scroll down to "Set Digest Mode", and check the "Off" box. Scroll to the bottom of the page and click 'Submit My Changes' , and you should be in business. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 2 14:17:10 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Sep 2 14:17:25 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? In-Reply-To: <4A9DC997.3080700@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> <960728.11142.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9D9C72.60601@catalyst.net.nz> <4A9DB280.4010605@catalyst.net.nz> <110070.81474.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9DC997.3080700@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <937275.22000.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Whoo-hoo! OK, well, lets get some numbers together (I'm up for 2 @ $100-110: UTP&USB), and I'll either pick them up on Monday, or if Tim's attending the AuckLUG meet on Monday, we can drop them up then. So, we adding MindKits as a SFD participant (under category: product retailer)? Cheers - J From justin at skull.co.nz Wed Sep 2 14:22:28 2009 From: justin at skull.co.nz (Justin Cook) Date: Wed Sep 2 14:22:36 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? In-Reply-To: <937275.22000.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> <960728.11142.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9D9C72.60601@catalyst.net.nz> <4A9DB280.4010605@catalyst.net.nz> <110070.81474.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9DC997.3080700@catalyst.net.nz> <937275.22000.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <93a52e0e0909011922g1d15bb5ahfe2123e080b991d4@mail.gmail.com> Is there an overview somewhere of how these kits work and the sort of coding and electronics expertise needed to work with them? I've been looking for something to turn my car into an autonomous killing machine for ages. 2009/9/2 Jaco van der Merwe > Whoo-hoo! > > OK, well, lets get some numbers together (I'm up for 2 @ $100-110: > UTP&USB), and I'll either pick them up on Monday, or if Tim's attending the > AuckLUG meet on Monday, we can drop them up then. > So, we adding MindKits as a SFD participant (under category: product > retailer)? > > Cheers > > - J > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 2 14:24:45 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Sep 2 14:24:53 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? In-Reply-To: <4A9DC997.3080700@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> <960728.11142.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9D9C72.60601@catalyst.net.nz> <4A9DB280.4010605@catalyst.net.nz> <110070.81474.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9DC997.3080700@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <957353.63133.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> On a somewhat related note: you seen this? http://hackaday.com/2009/08/30/lego-ipod-hacking-robot/ http://l4n.clustur.com/index.php/Nanotron_3000 FLOSS in the sense it's hacked with a Linux kernel, though not the hardware From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 2 14:48:46 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Sep 2 14:48:56 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? In-Reply-To: <93a52e0e0909011922g1d15bb5ahfe2123e080b991d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> <960728.11142.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9D9C72.60601@catalyst.net.nz> <4A9DB280.4010605@catalyst.net.nz> <110070.81474.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9DC997.3080700@catalyst.net.nz> <937275.22000.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <93a52e0e0909011922g1d15bb5ahfe2123e080b991d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <198803.52755.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I've listed a few posts & references elsewhere on the list before (think it was after Vik's RepRap demo) Make 'zine is a decent pace to start, AFAIK, but TTBOMK there are no "hackerspaces" in Auckland (I think that scene's pretty active in Wellington). I've heard the Auckland Uni is getting some sort of LUG or some such together, so that may change http://blog.makezine.com/archive/arduino/ http://makezine.com/getstartedarduino/ http://hackaday.com/2009/09/01/homebrew-carputer/ hope this helps - J From michal at logix.cz Wed Sep 2 14:56:27 2009 From: michal at logix.cz (Michal Ludvig) Date: Wed Sep 2 14:53:08 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? In-Reply-To: <4A9DB280.4010605@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> <960728.11142.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9D9C72.60601@catalyst.net.nz> <4A9DB280.4010605@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <4A9DDEDB.3080109@logix.cz> Vik Olliver wrote: > On 02/09/09 Nevyn wrote: >> How much do they go for? > > Basic Arduino, NZ$60. Mini version NZ$35. Plus P&P, unsure about GST All prices are inc GST, P&P is nil: 1) they have these $60 boards on special with free shipping and 2) orders over $99 receive free shipping anyway (it's very easy to spend $100+ on this stuff ;-) Michal From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Sep 2 14:53:24 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Sep 2 14:53:34 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? In-Reply-To: <198803.52755.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> <960728.11142.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9D9C72.60601@catalyst.net.nz> <4A9DB280.4010605@catalyst.net.nz> <110070.81474.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9DC997.3080700@catalyst.net.nz> <937275.22000.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <93a52e0e0909011922g1d15bb5ahfe2123e080b991d4@mail.gmail.com> <198803.52755.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A9DDE24.6040603@catalyst.net.nz> On 02/09/09 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Make 'zine is a decent pace to start, AFAIK, but TTBOMK there are no > "hackerspaces" in Auckland (I think that scene's pretty active in > Wellington). There is allegedly one by Colab, though I've not been to it or seen it. There is also the Auckland Robitics Group, where Tim The Arduino can be found and reprappy things happen. Vik :v) From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Sep 2 14:54:28 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Sep 2 14:54:39 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? In-Reply-To: <937275.22000.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> <960728.11142.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9D9C72.60601@catalyst.net.nz> <4A9DB280.4010605@catalyst.net.nz> <110070.81474.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9DC997.3080700@catalyst.net.nz> <937275.22000.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A9DDE64.2070104@catalyst.net.nz> On 02/09/09 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > So, we adding MindKits as a SFD participant (under category: product > retailer)? I think we should. Vik :v) From robin.paulson at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 15:18:38 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Wed Sep 2 15:18:48 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? In-Reply-To: <4A9DDE24.6040603@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> <4A9D9C72.60601@catalyst.net.nz> <4A9DB280.4010605@catalyst.net.nz> <110070.81474.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9DC997.3080700@catalyst.net.nz> <937275.22000.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <93a52e0e0909011922g1d15bb5ahfe2123e080b991d4@mail.gmail.com> <198803.52755.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9DDE24.6040603@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770909012018q4bf35798ve3e95c93a577b9f4@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/2 Vik Olliver : > There is allegedly one by Colab, though I've not been to it or seen it. do you know any more details on this, vik? google doesn't return much useful stuff cheers From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Sep 2 15:46:49 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Sep 2 15:47:02 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770909012018q4bf35798ve3e95c93a577b9f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> <4A9D9C72.60601@catalyst.net.nz> <4A9DB280.4010605@catalyst.net.nz> <110070.81474.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9DC997.3080700@catalyst.net.nz> <937275.22000.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <93a52e0e0909011922g1d15bb5ahfe2123e080b991d4@mail.gmail.com> <198803.52755.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9DDE24.6040603@catalyst.net.nz> <2f3aa2770909012018q4bf35798ve3e95c93a577b9f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A9DEAA9.6040100@catalyst.net.nz> On 02/09/09 Robin Paulson wrote: > do you know any more details on this, vik? google doesn't return much > useful stuff Colab just got soggy and hard to light about letting non-AUT people into the workshop. Tim is trying to persuade them. Vik :v) From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 16:17:32 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Sep 2 16:17:43 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? In-Reply-To: <4A9DEAA9.6040100@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> <4A9DB280.4010605@catalyst.net.nz> <110070.81474.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9DC997.3080700@catalyst.net.nz> <937275.22000.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <93a52e0e0909011922g1d15bb5ahfe2123e080b991d4@mail.gmail.com> <198803.52755.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9DDE24.6040603@catalyst.net.nz> <2f3aa2770909012018q4bf35798ve3e95c93a577b9f4@mail.gmail.com> <4A9DEAA9.6040100@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Vik Olliver wrote: > On 02/09/09 Robin Paulson wrote: >> >> ?do you know any more details on this, vik? google doesn't return much >> ?useful stuff > > Colab just got soggy and hard to light about letting non-AUT people into the > workshop. Tim is trying to persuade them. > > Vik :v) Is anyone interested in doing a introductory Arduino presentation at SFD? Might make a good workshop. Or... we could get MindKits to do one.... Buy an Arduino, and play right away... From apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz Wed Sep 2 23:00:07 2009 From: apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz (Aaron Pelly) Date: Wed Sep 2 23:00:41 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? In-Reply-To: <4A9DDE64.2070104@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4A9D8EB0.80808@auckland.ac.nz> <960728.11142.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9D9C72.60601@catalyst.net.nz> <4A9DB280.4010605@catalyst.net.nz> <110070.81474.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9DC997.3080700@catalyst.net.nz> <937275.22000.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9DDE64.2070104@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <012a01ca2bbc$8853f4d0$98fbde70$@co.nz> > -----Original Message----- > From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] > On Behalf Of Vik Olliver > Sent: Wednesday, 2 September 2009 2:54 p.m. > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Arduinos - who wanted 'em? > > On 02/09/09 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > So, we adding MindKits as a SFD participant (under category: product > > retailer)? > > I think we should. > > Vik :v) God. This isn't helping. I'm such a sucker for this stuff. From jrt746 at clear.net.nz Wed Sep 2 23:31:40 2009 From: jrt746 at clear.net.nz (John Rye) Date: Wed Sep 2 23:33:28 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mandriva Spring 2009 (John Rye) In-Reply-To: <4A9DA8FA.80407@xtra.co.nz> References: <4A9DA8FA.80407@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <20090902233140.d586f2a0.jrt746@clear.net.nz> On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 11:06:34 +1200 Alaric wrote: [humungous snip] :-) > > > Sorry I have done the wrong thing (again.) I don't usually post because > I always do it wrong and get told off. The internet is not native > territory to me. I grew up in the age of inkwells and steel nibs. you too eh? :-) > Init 3 did not show any fast flowing text. It showed > 'terminating all processes' or words to that effect, gave the kernel > version and then started up. Did you enable automatic login during your install? You indicate above that you didn't need to use a login/password pair. (If so, it's not a good idea IMHO) > Startx worked and brought up the gui screen without any faults. No > text displayed. > > rebooting with ctrl alt del showed two funnies. An integer > divide by zero error and WW SIS: No matching device section for instance > (Bus ID PCI: 0@0:0:0) found. I don't know if that is significant. OK, firstly the logout option from the GUI is the first item (bottom) of the menu which is accessed from the "star" icon at the very bottom left-hand corner of the screen (the left-most of the icons on the bottom row). The error could be the result of the ctrl-alt-del but I'm not certain because I can't determine where you saw it. Now let me get something clear to I understand what's happening. When you boot the machine 'normally' into linux from the boot menu, you see a blue screen with a progress bar across the bottom - yes? And then when that blue screen clears you see nothing - yes? John From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 00:04:32 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Sep 3 00:04:48 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mandriva Spring 2009 (John Rye) In-Reply-To: <20090902233140.d586f2a0.jrt746@clear.net.nz> References: <4A9DA8FA.80407@xtra.co.nz> <20090902233140.d586f2a0.jrt746@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:31 PM, John Rye wrote: > On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 11:06:34 +1200 > Alaric wrote: > >> ? ? ? Init 3 did not show any fast flowing text. ?It showed >> 'terminating all processes' or words to that effect, gave the kernel >> version and then started up. > > Did you enable automatic login during your install? You indicate above that > you didn't need to use a login/password pair. (If so, it's not a good idea > IMHO) > >> ?Startx worked and brought up the gui screen without any faults. ?No >> text displayed. >> >> ? ? ? rebooting with ctrl alt del showed two funnies. ?An integer >> divide by zero error and WW SIS: No matching device section for instance >> (Bus ID PCI: 0@0:0:0) found. ?I don't know if that is significant. > > OK, firstly the logout option from the GUI is the first item (bottom) of > the menu which is accessed from the "star" icon at the very bottom > left-hand corner of the screen (the left-most of the icons on the bottom > row). > > The error could be the result of the ctrl-alt-del but I'm not certain > because I can't determine where you saw it. > > Now let me get something clear to I understand what's happening. > > When you boot the machine 'normally' into linux from the boot menu, you > see a blue screen with a progress bar across the bottom - yes? > > And then when that blue screen clears you see nothing - yes? > > John The problem looks like it might be in gdm or kdm (which ever Mandriva uses). If you can get into single user mode and then init 3 to get into multiuser (terminal) mode, and even startx works normally, then there looks, to my way of thinking, to be very little wrong here. init 5 should get you the same results as booting from scratch... Did you follow Glen's suggestion? When the screen goes blank, hit Alt-F1, log in as root, killall ftw, log out and hit Alt-F6 Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 00:07:10 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Sep 3 00:07:25 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD Promotion Message-ID: Hi Guys, I'm looking at the awareness drive for the SFD and wondering about designs. Do we just use the WellyLUG design and modify it for Auckland? Or should we look at doing our own design (in which case, who's willing to come up with something?). We haven't quite finalised the details of venues yet (Albany's confirmed, University of Auckland we're still waiting on news) but it's probably good to start doing this now and fill in the blanks later. Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 00:09:35 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Sep 3 00:09:47 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Schools Project. In-Reply-To: <4A9AEC83.4080503@catalyst.net.nz> References: <001601ca2689$05199c60$0f4cd520$@co.nz> <002801ca2697$a6ebaa20$f4c2fe60$@co.nz> <61374.119.15.0.26.1251325898.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <4A9AEC83.4080503@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Vik Olliver wrote: > On 29/08/09 Nevyn wrote: >> >> ?Voting closes by end of Tuesday. >> >> ?My vote goes to POINTS (just because I like the fact that it's a real >> ?word and isn't the name of an elevator company). > > I go for POINTS too. > > Vik :v) Right.. POINTS has it... Well on track to getting this done by SFD... Regards, Nevyn. From jrt746 at clear.net.nz Thu Sep 3 00:22:31 2009 From: jrt746 at clear.net.nz (John Rye) Date: Thu Sep 3 00:22:51 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mandriva Spring 2009 (John Rye) In-Reply-To: References: <4A9DA8FA.80407@xtra.co.nz> <20090902233140.d586f2a0.jrt746@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <20090903002231.9a0ccdf8.jrt746@clear.net.nz> On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:04:32 +1200 Nevyn wrote: > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:31 PM, John Rye wrote: > > On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 11:06:34 +1200 > > Alaric wrote: > > > >> ? ? ? Init 3 did not show any fast flowing text. ?It showed > >> 'terminating all processes' or words to that effect, gave the kernel > >> version and then started up. > > > > Did you enable automatic login during your install? You indicate above > > that you didn't need to use a login/password pair. (If so, it's not a > > good idea IMHO) > > > >> ?Startx worked and brought up the gui screen without any faults. ?No > >> text displayed. > >> > >> ? ? ? rebooting with ctrl alt del showed two funnies. ?An integer > >> divide by zero error and WW SIS: No matching device section for > >> instance (Bus ID PCI: 0@0:0:0) found. ?I don't know if that is > >> significant. > > > > OK, firstly the logout option from the GUI is the first item (bottom) > > of the menu which is accessed from the "star" icon at the very bottom > > left-hand corner of the screen (the left-most of the icons on the > > bottom row). > > > > The error could be the result of the ctrl-alt-del but I'm not certain > > because I can't determine where you saw it. > > > > Now let me get something clear to I understand what's happening. > > > > When you boot the machine 'normally' into linux from the boot menu, you > > see a blue screen with a progress bar across the bottom - yes? > > > > And then when that blue screen clears you see nothing - yes? > > > > John > > The problem looks like it might be in gdm or kdm (which ever Mandriva > uses). If you can get into single user mode and then init 3 to get > into multiuser (terminal) mode, and even startx works normally, then > there looks, to my way of thinking, to be very little wrong here. init > 5 should get you the same results as booting from scratch... No, I don't think so, this problem is more likely a result of an incomplete upgrade - he says the upgrade failed with a missing file message and I suspect that file was grub-related which is why I phrased my questions that way. > Did you follow Glen's suggestion? When the screen goes blank, hit > Alt-F1, log in as root, killall ftw, log out and hit Alt-F6. Why does Glen think it's ftw, the file-tree-walker, causing this behaviour? Good suggestion for a competent user but it's pretty obvious from the initial post that the OP doesn't quite fit that description :-) John From c.mills at auckland.ac.nz Thu Sep 3 12:15:14 2009 From: c.mills at auckland.ac.nz (Clark Mills) Date: Thu Sep 3 12:15:24 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] FWD: Linux Engineer wanted, Auckland CBD Message-ID: <4A9F0A92.4000408@auckland.ac.nz> REPOSTED FROM NZLUG: simon@darkmere.gen.nz (Simon Lyall) wrote in NZLUG: ========================================================================= My work is looking for a Linux Engineer to replace one of our team members who is heading overseas. We are a small operations team for a Top10 NZ website and related properties with high uptime requirements and a rapid change cycle. The job is based in the Auckland CBD and is roughly Monday-Friday 9-5 (with a little flexibility) What the job involves: - Looking after (Physical , Hardware, OS , Software) Production Linux ( RHEL ) Servers - Looking after Legacy Solaris 10 environments - Being oncall ( around 10% of the time ) - Planning and implementing projects such as infrastructure changes, - Basic Windows desktop support ( eg Upgrade itunes on Boss' laptop ) - Looking after the other infrastructure in the environment. What you need: - A few years experience with running production Linux servers (especially good would be Internet facing webservers) - Very Good general Linux administrations skills - Ability to handle your own projects, work autonomously and learn new skills - Basic windows desktop skills - Experience with some of the technology large websites deploy (such as CDNs, web accelerators, load balancers, database clusters, GSLB, Automated builds, monitoring ) and the willingness to learn the rest and help us build the ones we don't use yet. Typical requests you might get: "Here is a new machine, can you config the iLO, kickstart it, run though the checklist, update the docs and make it live" "Technology XXX looks interesting, can you investigate it and send us a 1 page email recommending if we try it" "We want to move the XX websites from the XX platform to the YYY platform, can you do it in the 6 weeks" If you are interested please email me for more details or send me your CV and I can forward it to my manager. -- Simon Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT. From bob.harvey at work.net.nz Thu Sep 3 14:02:12 2009 From: bob.harvey at work.net.nz (Bob Harvey) Date: Thu Sep 3 14:02:25 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query Message-ID: <6vptfo$6ccumi@smtp.mailfilter1.ihug.co.nz> Hi all, My machine is set up to dual boot Ubuntu 9.04 / Windows XP Pro. Have installed VirtualBox and want to set up a virtual WinXP machine using the existing installation. Where I am confused is to somehow link the virtual machine hard drive to the actual hard drive partition which becomes C: when I boot to WinXP. It seems from my poking around that VirtualBox wants to have the WinXP boot drive to be a virtual one, using space taken from the existing Ubunutu partitions. To me this implies that I have to reload WinXP onto the machine -- i.e. that the virtual WinXP is a completely different entity from the existing 'native' WinXP. Clarity anyone? Cheers, Bob. From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 14:14:46 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Sep 3 14:15:02 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query In-Reply-To: <6vptfo$6ccumi@smtp.mailfilter1.ihug.co.nz> References: <6vptfo$6ccumi@smtp.mailfilter1.ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Bob Harvey wrote: > Hi all, > > My machine is set up to dual boot Ubuntu 9.04 / Windows XP Pro. ?Have installed VirtualBox and want to set up a virtual WinXP machine using the existing installation. ?Where I am confused is to somehow link the virtual machine hard drive to the actual hard drive partition which becomes C: when I boot to WinXP. ?It seems from my poking around that VirtualBox wants to have the WinXP boot drive to be a virtual one, using space taken from the existing Ubunutu partitions. ?To me this implies that I have to reload WinXP onto the machine -- i.e. that the virtual WinXP is a completely different entity from the existing 'native' WinXP. > > Clarity anyone? > > Cheers, Bob. Umm... yes. Think about it this way. The virtual machine is a completely different machine. You wouldn't have the one windows drive that you took out and put into other machines. Regards, Nevyn. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Thu Sep 3 14:21:32 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Sep 3 14:21:41 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query In-Reply-To: <6vptfo$6ccumi@smtp.mailfilter1.ihug.co.nz> References: <6vptfo$6ccumi@smtp.mailfilter1.ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <843802.59401.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Let me put it this way: you can mount existing drives as "block devices" under some VM's, to use the drive as-is, but I'm not entirely how this pans out with VB. Also, I'm not all to clear how data get mutated en-route. I've seen that you can create a type of contained in VirtualBox, to contain the windows block device. Working with block devices is a much simpler proposition under KVM & Xen(Source), and I know that some commercial VMWare's allow you to do that too. At any rate, you may end up cooking the windows partition, so it's best to back it up in any case - J From juanvr at live.com Thu Sep 3 14:23:08 2009 From: juanvr at live.com (Juan) Date: Thu Sep 3 14:25:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query In-Reply-To: References: <6vptfo$6ccumi@smtp.mailfilter1.ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Bob Harvey wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> My machine is set up to dual boot Ubuntu 9.04 / Windows XP Pro. Have >> installed VirtualBox and want to set up a virtual WinXP machine using the >> existing installation. Where I am confused is to somehow link the >> virtual machine hard drive to the actual hard drive partition which >> becomes C: when I boot to WinXP. It seems from my poking around that >> VirtualBox wants to have the WinXP boot drive to be a virtual one, using >> space taken from the existing Ubunutu partitions. To me this implies >> that I have to reload WinXP onto the machine -- i.e. that the virtual >> WinXP is a completely different entity from the existing 'native' WinXP. >> >> Clarity anyone? >> >> Cheers, Bob. > I seem to remember VMware being able to use a particular partition... IF, you do that though, you'll mess up your drivers on your copy of XP, since the virtualized hardware is different (think, putting your XP drive into another PC). Would you want to reload drivers every time you boot? And since XP isn't too great with driver management (or DLL's in general), I wouldn't recommend it. My 2c. From b.mooney at auckland.ac.nz Thu Sep 3 14:43:13 2009 From: b.mooney at auckland.ac.nz (Bernadette Mooney) Date: Thu Sep 3 14:43:25 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query In-Reply-To: <6vptfo$6ccumi@smtp.mailfilter1.ihug.co.nz> References: <6vptfo$6ccumi@smtp.mailfilter1.ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <1251945793.14588.102.camel@luggage> On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 14:02 +1200, Bob Harvey wrote: > My machine is set up to dual boot Ubuntu 9.04 / Windows XP Pro. Have > installed VirtualBox and want to set up a virtual WinXP machine using > the existing installation. Where I am confused is to somehow link the > virtual machine hard drive to the actual hard drive partition which > becomes C: when I boot to WinXP. It seems from my poking around that > VirtualBox wants to have the WinXP boot drive to be a virtual one, > using space taken from the existing Ubunutu partitions. To me this > implies that I have to reload WinXP onto the machine -- i.e. that the > virtual WinXP is a completely different entity from the existing > 'native' WinXP. The simplest solution (for me, as a novice VirtualBox user) was to install a new WinXP virtual machine using 10Gb in the Ubuntu partition, and share the Ubuntu home drive with the virtual machine. If more disk space is needed in the future, I'll be happy to blow away the (dual-boot) WinXP installation, and rely completely on the VirtualBox' WinXP. I've not yet come across any data mutations or driver or other problems, and best of all, there's no need to re-boot to use Windows-only software. Nice being able to share disk space, too. Go ahead, install WinXP for your virtual machine, then investigate 'shared folders' under the 'Devices' menu... > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From brianmooney57 at yahoo.co.nz Thu Sep 3 15:24:04 2009 From: brianmooney57 at yahoo.co.nz (brian mooney) Date: Thu Sep 3 15:24:16 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query In-Reply-To: <1251945793.14588.102.camel@luggage> Message-ID: <450139.95916.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Geeeees Bernadette careful there you may end up being labled a female geek,lol. Mmmmmmmmm never seen another mooney here before. Mmmmm maybe we need to connect at the Mooney pub in cork that rellies in ireland own,lol. ? Brian --- On Thu, 3/9/09, Bernadette Mooney wrote: From: Bernadette Mooney Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" Received: Thursday, 3 September, 2009, 2:43 PM On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 14:02 +1200, Bob Harvey wrote: > My machine is set up to dual boot Ubuntu 9.04 / Windows XP Pro.? Have > installed VirtualBox and want to set up a virtual WinXP machine using > the existing installation.? Where I am confused is to somehow link the > virtual machine hard drive to the actual hard drive partition which > becomes C: when I boot to WinXP.? It seems from my poking around that > VirtualBox wants to have the WinXP boot drive to be a virtual one, > using space taken from the existing Ubunutu partitions.? To me this > implies that I have to reload WinXP onto the machine -- i.e. that the > virtual WinXP is a completely different entity from the existing > 'native' WinXP. The simplest solution (for me, as a novice VirtualBox user) was to install a new WinXP virtual machine using 10Gb in the Ubuntu partition, and share the Ubuntu home drive with the virtual machine.? If more disk space is needed in the future, I'll be happy to blow away the (dual-boot) WinXP installation, and rely completely on the VirtualBox' WinXP.? I've not yet come across any data mutations or driver or other problems, and best of all, there's no need to re-boot to use Windows-only software.? Nice being able to share disk space, too. Go ahead, install WinXP for your virtual machine, then investigate 'shared folders' under the 'Devices' menu... > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz Thu Sep 3 15:34:23 2009 From: nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz (Glen Ogilvie) Date: Thu Sep 3 15:34:33 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mandriva Spring 2009 (John Rye) In-Reply-To: <20090903002231.9a0ccdf8.jrt746@clear.net.nz> References: <4A9DA8FA.80407@xtra.co.nz> <20090902233140.d586f2a0.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <20090903002231.9a0ccdf8.jrt746@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:22:31 +1200, John Rye wrote: > >> Did you follow Glen's suggestion? When the screen goes blank, hit >> Alt-F1, log in as root, killall ftw, log out and hit Alt-F6. > > Why does Glen think it's ftw, the file-tree-walker, causing this > behaviour? ftw is the first time wizard. It tried to launch firefox instead of displaying KDM, sometimes, if your network settings are not right, or you have a proxy, etc, this caused the wizard to not display anything. Killing it then gets you to KDM, and it seems to not try again. Glen From b.mooney at auckland.ac.nz Thu Sep 3 15:39:24 2009 From: b.mooney at auckland.ac.nz (Bernadette Mooney) Date: Thu Sep 3 15:40:19 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query In-Reply-To: <450139.95916.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <450139.95916.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1251949164.20427.9.camel@luggage> Wouldn't mind that title at all - but it's not justified. I may work with the damned things, but that doesn't mean I can make them do what I want. Real geeks are programmers and hardware hackers, aren't they? I'd be happy to borrow your relatives in Cork, though. :) On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 20:24 -0700, brian mooney wrote: > Geeeees Bernadette careful there you may end up being labled a female geek,lol. > Mmmmmmmmm never seen another mooney here before. Mmmmm maybe we need to connect at the Mooney pub in cork that rellies in ireland own,lol. > > Brian > > --- On Thu, 3/9/09, Bernadette Mooney wrote: > > > From: Bernadette Mooney > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Received: Thursday, 3 September, 2009, 2:43 PM > > > On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 14:02 +1200, Bob Harvey wrote: > > > My machine is set up to dual boot Ubuntu 9.04 / Windows XP Pro. Have > > installed VirtualBox and want to set up a virtual WinXP machine using > > the existing installation. Where I am confused is to somehow link the > > virtual machine hard drive to the actual hard drive partition which > > becomes C: when I boot to WinXP. It seems from my poking around that > > VirtualBox wants to have the WinXP boot drive to be a virtual one, > > using space taken from the existing Ubunutu partitions. To me this > > implies that I have to reload WinXP onto the machine -- i.e. that the > > virtual WinXP is a completely different entity from the existing > > 'native' WinXP. > > The simplest solution (for me, as a novice VirtualBox user) was to > install a new WinXP virtual machine using 10Gb in the Ubuntu partition, > and share the Ubuntu home drive with the virtual machine. If more disk > space is needed in the future, I'll be happy to blow away the > (dual-boot) WinXP installation, and rely completely on the VirtualBox' > WinXP. > > I've not yet come across any data mutations or driver or other problems, > and best of all, there's no need to re-boot to use Windows-only > software. Nice being able to share disk space, too. > > Go ahead, install WinXP for your virtual machine, then investigate > 'shared folders' under the 'Devices' menu... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug -- BCNU..................B. Bernadette Mooney Core Network Services University of Auckland NZ Information Technology Services Telephone: +64 9 373 7999 From jrt746 at clear.net.nz Thu Sep 3 15:44:56 2009 From: jrt746 at clear.net.nz (John Rye) Date: Thu Sep 3 15:45:30 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mandriva Spring 2009 (John Rye) In-Reply-To: References: <4A9DA8FA.80407@xtra.co.nz> <20090902233140.d586f2a0.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <20090903002231.9a0ccdf8.jrt746@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <20090903154456.ead0d6ea.jrt746@clear.net.nz> On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:34:23 +1200 Glen Ogilvie wrote: > On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:22:31 +1200, John Rye wrote: > > > >> Did you follow Glen's suggestion? When the screen goes blank, hit > >> Alt-F1, log in as root, killall ftw, log out and hit Alt-F6. > > > > Why does Glen think it's ftw, the file-tree-walker, causing this > > behaviour? > > ftw is the first time wizard. It tried to launch firefox instead of > displaying KDM, sometimes, if your network settings are not > right, or you have a proxy, etc, this caused the wizard to not > display anything. Killing it then gets you to KDM, and it > seems to not try again. LOL - I've been doing MDV docs since 2001 and never seen or heard anyone refer to that wizard as 'ftw'. Seriously though we need to think about how we phrase help messages in these sorts of situations - yes? John From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Thu Sep 3 15:47:46 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Sep 3 15:47:55 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query In-Reply-To: <1251949164.20427.9.camel@luggage> References: <450139.95916.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1251949164.20427.9.camel@luggage> Message-ID: <604942.1180.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >Wouldn't mind that title at all - but it's not justified. I may work >with the damned things, but that doesn't mean I can make them do what I >want. Real geeks are programmers and hardware hackers, aren't they? who *can* make them do what you want? sometimes I get lucky... but I'm more stubborn than sensible From michael.auckland at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 15:52:48 2009 From: michael.auckland at gmail.com (Michael) Date: Thu Sep 3 15:53:04 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query In-Reply-To: <6vptfo$6ccumi@smtp.mailfilter1.ihug.co.nz> References: <6vptfo$6ccumi@smtp.mailfilter1.ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <35207fdf0909022052r15bd19d7ha217577e469ab9fb@mail.gmail.com> You can use your existing hard drive in Vbox. To create raw access to disk you need to run VBoxManage internalcommands createrawvmdk -filename winxp-raw.vdi -rawdisk /dev/sda1 ( your win disk ) If you want dual boot to WinXp - create on real WinXP hardware profiles first ( one for real hardware and one for virtual ) Then add "winxp-raw.vdi" to your VM. On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Bob Harvey wrote: > Hi all, > > My machine is set up to dual boot Ubuntu 9.04 / Windows XP Pro. ?Have installed VirtualBox and want to set up a virtual WinXP machine using the existing installation. ?Where I am confused is to somehow link the virtual machine hard drive to the actual hard drive partition which becomes C: when I boot to WinXP. ?It seems from my poking around that VirtualBox wants to have the WinXP boot drive to be a virtual one, using space taken from the existing Ubunutu partitions. ?To me this implies that I have to reload WinXP onto the machine -- i.e. that the virtual WinXP is a completely different entity from the existing 'native' WinXP. > > Clarity anyone? > > Cheers, Bob. > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- -- Michael From thetoolman at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 16:04:48 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Thu Sep 3 16:05:13 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query In-Reply-To: <35207fdf0909022052r15bd19d7ha217577e469ab9fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <6vptfo$6ccumi@smtp.mailfilter1.ihug.co.nz> <35207fdf0909022052r15bd19d7ha217577e469ab9fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This suggestion should come with the warning/caveat that it is hard-to-impossible to make the same partition boot windows in both a VM and native on your hardware - the VM emulated quite different hardware theny your native stuff (unless you happen to have the same hardware - VERY unlikely). Unless you understand this very well, I'd recommend *not* mounting raw disks in VMs, especially boot partitions! I have cooked windows installations by attempting to boot them in a VM. This means that you probably need to repartition or resize (easier) your virtual disk to accmodate your second (virtual) operating system. - Toolman 2009/9/3 Michael > You can use your existing hard drive in Vbox. > To create raw access to disk you need to run > > VBoxManage internalcommands createrawvmdk -filename winxp-raw.vdi > -rawdisk /dev/sda1 ( your win disk ) > > If you want dual boot to WinXp - create on real WinXP hardware > profiles first ( one for real hardware and one for virtual ) > > Then add "winxp-raw.vdi" to your VM. > > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Bob Harvey wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > My machine is set up to dual boot Ubuntu 9.04 / Windows XP Pro. Have > installed VirtualBox and want to set up a virtual WinXP machine using the > existing installation. Where I am confused is to somehow link the virtual > machine hard drive to the actual hard drive partition which becomes C: when > I boot to WinXP. It seems from my poking around that VirtualBox wants to > have the WinXP boot drive to be a virtual one, using space taken from the > existing Ubunutu partitions. To me this implies that I have to reload WinXP > onto the machine -- i.e. that the virtual WinXP is a completely different > entity from the existing 'native' WinXP. > > > > Clarity anyone? > > > > Cheers, Bob. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > > -- > -- > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 16:07:46 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Sep 3 16:07:56 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query In-Reply-To: <604942.1180.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <450139.95916.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1251949164.20427.9.camel@luggage> <604942.1180.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >>Wouldn't mind that title at all - but it's not justified. ?I may work >>with the damned things, but that doesn't mean I can make them do what I >>want. ?Real geeks are programmers and hardware hackers, aren't they? > > who *can* make them do what you want? > sometimes I get lucky... but I'm more stubborn than sensible It's not just a vocation. It's a life style. I think this best sums it up: http://xkcd.com/627/ I think a nerd will use a text editor but will basically be doing the same thing. Change a setting, restart the service - did it work? From bob.harvey at work.net.nz Thu Sep 3 16:26:08 2009 From: bob.harvey at work.net.nz (Bob Harvey) Date: Thu Sep 3 16:26:24 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query Message-ID: <7dos1o$6bmagt@smtp.mailfilter5.ihug.co.nz> Thanks for the responses everyone, Bernadette, having just spent a day getting WinXP up to date and all I REALLY don't want to go through the installation all over again, so I'll pass on your suggestion. Michael, I am not quite clear what you suggest. Are these three successive steps? That is: (1) set up the WinXP partition as a VB raw disk; (2) create a WinXP Profile for when I boot under VB as distinct from booting directly; then (3) add the created raw disk to the VM. Just checking, Bob. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Thu Sep 3 16:30:17 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Sep 3 16:30:37 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query In-Reply-To: References: <6vptfo$6ccumi@smtp.mailfilter1.ihug.co.nz> <35207fdf0909022052r15bd19d7ha217577e469ab9fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <713434.16297.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Yip. I thought it was something along those lines. I think that you can define "hardware profiles" in XP, but apparently this feature was dropped subsequently (or am I mistaken?) re the createrawvmdk cmd: does it actually create a wrapper for the data & leave the original data untouched, or does it create a new monolithic image containing the new data? - J From michael.auckland at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 16:57:22 2009 From: michael.auckland at gmail.com (Michael) Date: Thu Sep 3 16:57:32 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query In-Reply-To: <7dos1o$6bmagt@smtp.mailfilter5.ihug.co.nz> References: <7dos1o$6bmagt@smtp.mailfilter5.ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <35207fdf0909022157t67ca85b5n63188873272bcc28@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Bob Harvey wrote: > Thanks for the responses everyone, > > Bernadette, having just spent a day getting WinXP up to date and all I REALLY don't want to go through the installation all over again, so I'll pass on your suggestion. > > Michael, I am not quite clear what you suggest. > Are these three successive steps? > That is: (1) set up the WinXP partition as a VB raw disk; > (2) create a WinXP Profile for when I boot under VB as distinct from booting directly; > then (3) add the created raw disk to the VM. > > Just checking, Bob. > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > 1. Create hardware profile in XP ( on real XP ) boot to linux 2. create the WinXP partition as a VB raw disk 3. start Vbox - select new profile. PS . do not install vbox tools, or you may get problems to boot into realXP -- -- Michael From michael.auckland at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 16:59:30 2009 From: michael.auckland at gmail.com (Michael) Date: Thu Sep 3 16:59:39 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query In-Reply-To: <713434.16297.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <6vptfo$6ccumi@smtp.mailfilter1.ihug.co.nz> <35207fdf0909022052r15bd19d7ha217577e469ab9fb@mail.gmail.com> <713434.16297.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <35207fdf0909022159la00d99dwaf149b2d440f8042@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Yip. I thought it was something along those lines. > > I think that you can define "hardware profiles" in XP, but apparently this feature was dropped subsequently (or am I mistaken?) > > re the createrawvmdk cmd: does it actually create a wrapper for the data & leave the original data untouched, or does it create a new monolithic image containing the new data? It is just a wrapper , Original data untouched. PS more explanation in Vbox Manual. ( Do not remeber all. ) but I've done lvm with it. (enable lvm to use directly in VBOX ) -- -- Michael From baldwin.bryanmichael at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 17:04:51 2009 From: baldwin.bryanmichael at gmail.com (Bryan Baldwin) Date: Thu Sep 3 17:20:44 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query In-Reply-To: <1251949164.20427.9.camel@luggage> References: <450139.95916.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1251949164.20427.9.camel@luggage> Message-ID: <1251954291.346.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 15:39 +1200, Bernadette Mooney wrote: > Wouldn't mind that title at all - but it's not justified. I may work > with the damned things, but that doesn't mean I can make them do what I > want. Real geeks are programmers and hardware hackers, aren't they? Geek is an imprecise state. Some of the people I work with are experts with a particular set of related programs and make a very good living supporting them, but are novices and very clumsy with basic hardware and operating system configuration. They don't know jack about GNU+Linux and think computers are just Macs or PCs, yet some people would call them geeks, too. I am a programmer and would not consider myself a geek by nature of that skill. But then I don't consider programming and IT to be synonyms either, but others do. I do use a dvorak keymap on qwerty hardware. That's a little geeky. Bryan From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 17:28:16 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Sep 3 17:28:24 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query In-Reply-To: <1251954291.346.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <450139.95916.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1251949164.20427.9.camel@luggage> <1251954291.346.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Bryan Baldwin wrote: > > Geek is an imprecise state. Some of the people I work with are experts > with a particular set of related programs and make a very good living > supporting them, but are novices and very clumsy with basic hardware and > operating system configuration. They don't know jack about GNU+Linux and > think computers are just Macs or PCs, yet some people would call them > geeks, too. > > I am a programmer and would not consider myself a geek by nature of that > skill. But then I don't consider programming and IT to be synonyms > either, but others do. I do use a dvorak keymap on qwerty hardware. > That's a little geeky. > > ? ? ? ?Bryan So are we saying it's a state of mind more than anything? Funnily enough (and if people are wondering about it) I grew the beard as a statement of my geekiness. I was finding myself conflicted between being a "real boy" and being a geek. I'm much happier being a geek :) Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 17:34:26 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Sep 3 17:34:36 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mandriva Spring 2009 (John Rye) In-Reply-To: <20090903154456.ead0d6ea.jrt746@clear.net.nz> References: <4A9DA8FA.80407@xtra.co.nz> <20090902233140.d586f2a0.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <20090903002231.9a0ccdf8.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <20090903154456.ead0d6ea.jrt746@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:44 PM, John Rye wrote: > On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:34:23 +1200 > Glen Ogilvie wrote: > >> On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:22:31 +1200, John Rye wrote: >> > >> >> Did you follow Glen's suggestion? When the screen goes blank, hit >> >> Alt-F1, log in as root, killall ftw, log out and hit Alt-F6. >> > >> > Why does Glen think it's ftw, the file-tree-walker, causing this >> > behaviour? >> >> ftw is the first time wizard. ?It tried to launch firefox instead of >> displaying KDM, sometimes, if your network settings are not >> right, or you have a proxy, etc, this caused the wizard to not >> display anything. ?Killing it then gets you to KDM, and it >> seems to not try again. > > LOL - I've been doing MDV docs since 2001 and never seen or heard anyone > refer to that wizard as 'ftw'. > > Seriously though we need to think about how we phrase help messages in > these sorts of situations - yes? > > John Wasn't a bad guess (it was a guess right?). Is it drakfirsttime or something along those lines? From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Thu Sep 3 17:42:34 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Sep 3 17:42:43 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query In-Reply-To: <1251954291.346.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <450139.95916.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1251949164.20427.9.camel@luggage> <1251954291.346.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <810517.22742.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Suppose there's a difference between a geek & a hefty/spedcialized user. If you'd rather play a game you're terrible at (like me lacking the coordination, or nerves, to be any good at FPS's), rather than going to, or even watching a sporting event on TV, well.... that's pretty geeky If you're more interested in the electronics a mate's new car than what's under the hood... If your girlfriend/partner's mail is flaky, and you end up spending 6 hours (well after they've gone to bed) overhauling & tweaking their system "as it should be"... If you know the origins of "all you base are belong to us", think the starwars kid's got some funky moves, or think the Borg's not so much scary, but the inevitable evolutionaly outcome... If you think BSG is the most firikkin AWESOME series, EVER... and you've actually got people hooked on it that "aren't all that into sci-fi"... ...you might be a geek too From juanvr at live.com Thu Sep 3 22:25:44 2009 From: juanvr at live.com (Juan) Date: Thu Sep 3 22:25:56 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query In-Reply-To: <810517.22742.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <450139.95916.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1251949164.20427.9.camel@luggage><1251954291.346.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <810517.22742.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Suppose there's a difference between a geek & a hefty/spedcialized user. > If you'd rather play a game you're terrible at (like me lacking the > coordination, or nerves, to be any good at FPS's), rather than going to, > or even watching a sporting event on TV, well.... that's pretty geeky > If you're more interested in the electronics a mate's new car than what's > under the hood... > If your girlfriend/partner's mail is flaky, and you end up spending 6 > hours (well after they've gone to bed) overhauling & tweaking their system > "as it should be"... > > If you know the origins of "all you base are belong to us", think the > starwars kid's got some funky moves, or think the Borg's not so much > scary, but the inevitable evolutionaly outcome... > > If you think BSG is the most firikkin AWESOME series, EVER... and you've > actually got people hooked on it that "aren't all that into sci-fi"... > > ...you might be a geek too > > > > If you think that Quake 1 (or QuakeWorld) is THE ONLY FPS EVAR and the rest of them are just fakers to the throne... If you think, one day I will also have a monster PC no-one will ever beat HAHAHA! (and you post benchmarks on a forum) If you've ever posted benchmarks on a forum. (or CPU-Z screenshots) If you know how to load smartdrv before installing Win2000 from a DOS boot disk... If you know that you have to create the SWAP before your main partitions. If you realize you nuked your drive, but you have a notepad somewhere with your drive layouts on it... Yes... You are still a geek... From nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz Fri Sep 4 00:05:44 2009 From: nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz (Glen Ogilvie) Date: Fri Sep 4 00:05:59 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mandriva Spring 2009 (John Rye) In-Reply-To: <20090903154456.ead0d6ea.jrt746@clear.net.nz> References: <4A9DA8FA.80407@xtra.co.nz> <20090903154456.ead0d6ea.jrt746@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <200909040005.47793.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> On Thu, 03 Sep 2009, John Rye wrote: > On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:34:23 +1200 > > Glen Ogilvie wrote: > > On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:22:31 +1200, John Rye wrote: > > >> Did you follow Glen's suggestion? When the screen goes blank, hit > > >> Alt-F1, log in as root, killall ftw, log out and hit Alt-F6. > > > > > > Why does Glen think it's ftw, the file-tree-walker, causing this > > > behaviour? > > > > ftw is the first time wizard. It tried to launch firefox instead of > > displaying KDM, sometimes, if your network settings are not > > right, or you have a proxy, etc, this caused the wizard to not > > display anything. Killing it then gets you to KDM, and it > > seems to not try again. > > LOL - I've been doing MDV docs since 2001 and never seen or heard anyone > refer to that wizard as 'ftw'. Well, if you read the initall post, you'll see it's not "killall ftw", it's "pkill -u ftw", the first time wizard run's as the ftw user, theirfor, this command makes sense in context. killall and pkill -u work differently. killall ftw would try and find any processes called ftw and kill them. This command would not work to fix the problem. pkill -u ftw kills all processes running under the ftw user, which would kill the first time wizard, as planned. See: /etc/X11/xsetup.d/60firstboot.xsetup -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/aucklug/attachments/20090904/5522fc5b/attachment-0001.pgp From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Fri Sep 4 09:25:20 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Fri Sep 4 09:25:28 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query In-Reply-To: References: <450139.95916.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1251949164.20427.9.camel@luggage><1251954291.346.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <810517.22742.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <449852.98608.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > If you think that Quake 1 (or QuakeWorld) is THE ONLY FPS EVAR and the rest of them are just fakers to the throne... You actually remember when 3D-Wolfenstein came out - AGTUNG! (17 years ago!) ... or Dune II (and you've actually read the Dune saga) If you had to load that video hack to play CGA games on your amber Hercules monochrome monitor... ...or drilled that second hole in the 740k stiffies to make 1.44 MB disks for cheap... ....if you've ever wondered what this thing called a "social life", and why IM/IRC doesn't count... If you have boxes full of old hardware, some dating back back to the previous architecture, that you keep telling yourself you'll find good use for...one day... ...you too might be a total geek From thetoolman at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 09:45:41 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Fri Sep 4 09:45:51 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query In-Reply-To: <449852.98608.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <450139.95916.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1251949164.20427.9.camel@luggage> <1251954291.346.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <810517.22742.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <449852.98608.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes to all for me. Other indicators: * You remember when baud and bps were the same number. * You remember other network protocols aside from TCP-IP (Doom IPX game anyone?) * You have used xtree gold / norton commander * You remember how to get maximum base memory while still having all your TSRs running.. the list goes on... 2009/9/4 Jaco van der Merwe > > If you think that Quake 1 (or QuakeWorld) is THE ONLY FPS EVAR and the > rest of them are just fakers to the throne... > > You actually remember when 3D-Wolfenstein came out - AGTUNG! (17 years > ago!) > ... or Dune II (and you've actually read the Dune saga) > If you had to load that video hack to play CGA games on your amber Hercules > monochrome monitor... > ...or drilled that second hole in the 740k stiffies to make 1.44 MB disks > for cheap... > ....if you've ever wondered what this thing called a "social life", and why > IM/IRC doesn't count... > If you have boxes full of old hardware, some dating back back to the > previous architecture, that you keep telling yourself you'll find good use > for...one day... > > ...you too might be a total geek > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! From blakjak at blakjak.net Fri Sep 4 09:49:13 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Fri Sep 4 09:49:24 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] VirtualBox query In-Reply-To: References: <450139.95916.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1251949164.20427.9.camel@luggage> <1251954291.346.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <810517.22742.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <449852.98608.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Can we nix this thread now please? :-) Not really on-topic and there's plenty of google results for the subject if someone is seriously interested. Mark. On Fri, 4 Sep 2009, Tim Toolman wrote: > Yes to all for me. Other indicators: > > * You remember when baud and bps were the same number. > * You remember other network protocols aside from TCP-IP (Doom IPX game > anyone?) > * You have used xtree gold / norton commander > * You remember how to get maximum base memory while still having all your > TSRs running.. > > the list goes on... > > 2009/9/4 Jaco van der Merwe > >>> If you think that Quake 1 (or QuakeWorld) is THE ONLY FPS EVAR and the >> rest of them are just fakers to the throne... >> >> You actually remember when 3D-Wolfenstein came out - AGTUNG! (17 years >> ago!) >> ... or Dune II (and you've actually read the Dune saga) >> If you had to load that video hack to play CGA games on your amber Hercules >> monochrome monitor... >> ...or drilled that second hole in the 740k stiffies to make 1.44 MB disks >> for cheap... >> ....if you've ever wondered what this thing called a "social life", and why >> IM/IRC doesn't count... >> If you have boxes full of old hardware, some dating back back to the >> previous architecture, that you keep telling yourself you'll find good use >> for...one day... >> >> ...you too might be a total geek >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > > > -- > Tim Taylor > +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 11:47:24 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sun Sep 6 11:47:33 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting Reminder Message-ID: When: 7pm on the 7th of September Where: OSS, Level 1, 162 Grafton Road. (The Compass Building, corner of Grafton Rd and Khyber Pass, opposite the Southern Cross Healthcare building) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=-36.863399&mlon=174.764503&zoom=16 (look at the streets rather than the arrow...) What: * Glen Ogilvie will be doing a presentation\demo on the Arduino. The Arduino is an open source electronics prototyping platform. It's kind of like having a computer controller for simple electronics without having to find a way to stick a motherboard (power supply, hard drive etc.) to whatever you happen to be trying to control. For details visit: http://www.arduino.cc/ * Vik has kindly offered to do a presentation on the RepRap. Taken from the website: "RepRap is short for Replicating Rapid-prototyper. It is the practical self-copying 3D printer..." For details visit: http://reprap.org/ From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Sun Sep 6 14:02:52 2009 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (admin@ncearevision.co.nz) Date: Sun Sep 6 14:03:02 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Grub default Message-ID: <4AA3C10C.14410.C16A77@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> How do I change the Grub default selection, i.e. how do I change the operating system which is selected by default? From apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz Sun Sep 6 14:17:29 2009 From: apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz (Aaron Pelly) Date: Sun Sep 6 14:17:36 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Grub default In-Reply-To: <4AA3C10C.14410.C16A77@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4AA3C10C.14410.C16A77@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: <006f01ca2e98$2f6a9020$8e3fb060$@co.nz> Take a look in /boot/grub/menu.lst I think the comments in there were helpful when I last looked. > -----Original Message----- > From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] > On Behalf Of admin@ncearevision.co.nz > Sent: Sunday, 6 September 2009 2:03 p.m. > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > Subject: [AuckLUG] Grub default > > How do I change the Grub default selection, i.e. how do I change the > operating system which is selected by default? > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From thetoolman at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 16:19:31 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Sun Sep 6 16:19:41 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Grub default In-Reply-To: <006f01ca2e98$2f6a9020$8e3fb060$@co.nz> References: <4AA3C10C.14410.C16A77@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <006f01ca2e98$2f6a9020$8e3fb060$@co.nz> Message-ID: >From my /boot/grub/menu.lst : ## default num # Set the default entry to the entry number NUM. Numbering starts from 0, and # the entry number 0 is the default if the command is not used. # # You can specify 'saved' instead of a number. In this case, the default entry # is the entry saved with the command 'savedefault'. # WARNING: If you are using dmraid do not use 'savedefault' or your # array will desync and will not let you boot your system. default 1 So set this to the (zero based) item on the list you want as default. 2009/9/6 Aaron Pelly > Take a look in /boot/grub/menu.lst > > I think the comments in there were helpful when I last looked. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] > > On Behalf Of admin@ncearevision.co.nz > > Sent: Sunday, 6 September 2009 2:03 p.m. > > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > > Subject: [AuckLUG] Grub default > > > > How do I change the Grub default selection, i.e. how do I change the > > operating system which is selected by default? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! From nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz Mon Sep 7 14:09:40 2009 From: nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz (Glen Ogilvie) Date: Mon Sep 7 14:09:51 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting tonight Message-ID: <4e0b4675e614c81e9f597e69565c4a6a@localhost> Hi everyone, Tonight's meeting is at OSS, at 7pm. I'll check the door between 6:45 pm and 7:30 pm. If you can't get in or need help finding the place, you can call me on 021 684 146. After Vik's Reprap presentation, I'll be presenting on beginner Arduino programming. OSS will put an order in for some Pizza once people have arrived and we have numbers. Regards Glen Ogilvie From vik at catalyst.net.nz Mon Sep 7 14:40:24 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Mon Sep 7 14:40:39 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting tonight In-Reply-To: <4e0b4675e614c81e9f597e69565c4a6a@localhost> References: <4e0b4675e614c81e9f597e69565c4a6a@localhost> Message-ID: <4AA47298.2040805@catalyst.net.nz> Glen Ogilvie wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Tonight's meeting is at OSS, at 7pm. > Is there somewhere to park and unload repraps? Hopefully we'll get the damn thing printing this time! Vik :v) From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 14:44:44 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Sep 7 14:44:52 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting tonight In-Reply-To: <4AA47298.2040805@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4e0b4675e614c81e9f597e69565c4a6a@localhost> <4AA47298.2040805@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Vik Olliver wrote: > Glen Ogilvie wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> Tonight's meeting is at OSS, at 7pm. > > Is there somewhere to park and unload repraps? > > Hopefully we'll get the damn thing printing this time! > > Vik :v) I'm hoping to be there early and am amendable to doing some running around if need be. Regards, Nevyn From ajchapman at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 14:48:25 2009 From: ajchapman at gmail.com (Anthony Chapman) Date: Mon Sep 7 14:48:34 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting tonight In-Reply-To: <4AA47298.2040805@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4e0b4675e614c81e9f597e69565c4a6a@localhost> <4AA47298.2040805@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <2faa0aee0909061948k466bc28an145fd9dedd549e6f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/7 Vik Olliver : > Glen Ogilvie wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> Tonight's meeting is at OSS, at 7pm. > > Is there somewhere to park and unload repraps? > > Hopefully we'll get the damn thing printing this time! > > Vik :v) I've got other commitments but may be able to get there later, or to Galbraiths Alehouse if any of you will be having refreshments afterwards. Any estimates for how long the meeting is likely to take? From vik at catalyst.net.nz Mon Sep 7 14:54:57 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Mon Sep 7 14:55:09 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting tonight In-Reply-To: <2faa0aee0909061948k466bc28an145fd9dedd549e6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4e0b4675e614c81e9f597e69565c4a6a@localhost> <4AA47298.2040805@catalyst.net.nz> <2faa0aee0909061948k466bc28an145fd9dedd549e6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA47601.30401@catalyst.net.nz> On 07/09/09 Anthony Chapman wrote: > I've got other commitments but may be able to get there later, or to > Galbraiths Alehouse if any of you will be having refreshments > afterwards. Any estimates for how long the meeting is likely to take? Mine will be fairly quick, in the order of 1/2 hr. Vik :v) From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 8 09:35:27 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Sep 8 09:42:18 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG Meeting - bit of SFD In-Reply-To: <4AA47601.30401@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4e0b4675e614c81e9f597e69565c4a6a@localhost> <4AA47298.2040805@catalyst.net.nz> <2faa0aee0909061948k466bc28an145fd9dedd549e6f@mail.gmail.com> <4AA47601.30401@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <625788.57900.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> What a cool meet; got me all exited to try out the Arduino's for myself - Glen made it look easy. Thanks! Big-up's to OSS for the venue & the Pizza (what a pleasant unexpected surprise) Thanks to Vik for the RepRap demo Thanks to Glen for the Arduino 101 prez (can you please posta few of those links/references) It is my understanding that MindKits will be one of the businesses present @ the SFD on Sun the 20th Sept (less than 2 weeks from now). I think you can purchase a UTP+USB shield in the region of $100 (ex GST) Speaking of which... at the moment we've arranged RvB as the tentative venue (there may be costs associated; like his staff, etc).. I know that some of the guys are trying to arrange the Uni as a venue, but that seems to be slow going (but they're keeping at it). If they manage to shake that loose, we may be able to go with that, but for now we're moving ahead with RvB as the default venue (& there's beer :D ) The format, for those that do not know, is a semi installfast/workshop, where local FLOSS businesses are encouraged to come display/market their products & services; so if you play in that space, please use this as an opportunity to make a few customers. Please let us know if you want to participate, please, as we need to compile a list of participants/presentation & work out a few more logistics In addition to that, there will be a few presentations (is. Nevyn & POINTS), as well as the distribution of a few distro's of choice (Ubuntu/Mint being my weapon of choice), demo on how to boot a system off a liveCD/liveUSB, and a quick rundown of the basic apps (internets, mail, office, media, etc) More on the SFD a bit later - Jaco From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 8 11:23:05 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Sep 8 11:23:15 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants Message-ID: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> As mentioned before, so we have 2 events: Albany School & "main" event on Sun 20th (tentatively RvB; Uni pending) While we're trying to nail down the last one, and before we start with a promotional push, can we please get a list of people participating/helping out & businessed/inteties that are contributing, or otherwise participating. At present, I can only speak of those I absolutely know about, so please add your name if you're volunteering time/energies, or if you'll be representing you business' interes: * Jaco (myself) helping out on Fry & Sun events; possibly selling SIP trunks (trialing @ work), or demo on self-replicating liveDisks * Nevyn & POINTS * Vik & RepRap * MindKits (Arduino workshop) * possibly a RHEL/Fedora rep * ... From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 12:10:32 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Sep 8 12:11:37 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > As mentioned before, so we have 2 events: Albany School & "main" event on Sun 20th (tentatively RvB; Uni pending) > > While we're trying to nail down the last one, and before we start with a promotional push, can we please get a list of people participating/helping out & businessed/inteties that are contributing, or otherwise participating. > > At present, I can only speak of those I absolutely know about, so please add your name if you're volunteering time/energies, or if you'll be representing you business' interes: > * Jaco (myself) helping out on Fry & Sun events; possibly selling SIP trunks (trialing @ work), or demo on self-replicating liveDisks > * Nevyn & POINTS > * Vik & RepRap > * MindKits (Arduino workshop) > * possibly a RHEL/Fedora rep > * ... Vik and new technology. Is the open office guy still around? From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 8 12:59:00 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Sep 8 12:59:11 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <391684.50227.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >Is the open office guy still around? I think that was Grant or Graeme Lauder (not too sure; will have to go diging through some old mail/list archives). I think he's based out of town a bit (up north or Hamilton; not too sure), so not too sure if he's available ro comitted to other events On a somewhat related note: I have some old kit (still VERY serviceable) that I be happy to donate to a new home, or have stripped for parts: * 2x big-ish CRT monitors; working condition * Old laptop + power supply (condition unknows) * Dell PC. working contition, but may require some parts Also, have a few empty CD's DVD's I'd be happy to donate to the cause.. Will bring a toolkit for tinkering - J From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 8 13:27:03 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Sep 8 13:27:12 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <835290.52243.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> A head's up! eDay is coming up this weekend: www.eday.org.nz This may be a very good opportunity to source old but still very servicable hardware, that we can use in the SFD space, and possibly load Ubuntu, Damn-small Linux, or some firewall on (pfSense, IPCop, untangle, etc). We can then either sell or donate this hardware where it's needed; or we can simply leverage it as a promotional opportunity - J From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Sep 8 14:55:14 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Sep 8 14:55:24 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: <391684.50227.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <391684.50227.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <30193.119.15.0.26.1252378514.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> On Tue, September 8, 2009 12:59 pm, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >>Is the open office guy still around? > > I think that was Grant or Graeme Lauder (not too sure; will have to go > diging through some old mail/list archives). > I think he's based out of town a bit (up north or Hamilton; not too sure), > so not too sure if he's available ro comitted to other events Taumaranui I believe... From yorick_ at openoffice.org Tue Sep 8 23:19:59 2009 From: yorick_ at openoffice.org (Graham Lauder) Date: Tue Sep 8 23:19:37 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: <30193.119.15.0.26.1252378514.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <391684.50227.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <30193.119.15.0.26.1252378514.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Message-ID: <200909082319.59325.yorick_@openoffice.org> On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:55:14 Mark Foster wrote: > On Tue, September 8, 2009 12:59 pm, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > >>Is the open office guy still around? > > > > I think that was Grant or Graeme Lauder (not too sure; will have to go > > diging through some old mail/list archives). > > I think he's based out of town a bit (up north or Hamilton; not too > > sure), so not too sure if he's available ro comitted to other events > > Taumaranui I believe... > Tokoroa actually :) I'll be available for the whole day on the Friday one and I can be up for the Sunday one as well. However I'm presenting at the Hamilton SFD between 11 and 12 so it'll be about 2 before I get to Auckland. I can do whatever suits the venue and audience. ie Presentation, Demos, Tutorials and I'll have some OpenSuSE DVDs as well as some OOo DVDs. For the Friday event I can also bring a small KIWI LTSP rig if there is room to set it up. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz From yorick_ at openoffice.org Tue Sep 8 23:26:13 2009 From: yorick_ at openoffice.org (Graham Lauder) Date: Tue Sep 8 23:26:03 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: <200909082319.59325.yorick_@openoffice.org> References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <30193.119.15.0.26.1252378514.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <200909082319.59325.yorick_@openoffice.org> Message-ID: <200909082326.13565.yorick_@openoffice.org> On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:19:59 Graham Lauder wrote: > On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:55:14 Mark Foster wrote: > > On Tue, September 8, 2009 12:59 pm, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > >>Is the open office guy still around? > > > > > > I think that was Grant or Graeme Lauder (not too sure; will have to go > > > diging through some old mail/list archives). > > > I think he's based out of town a bit (up north or Hamilton; not too > > > sure), so not too sure if he's available ro comitted to other events > > > > Taumaranui I believe... > > Tokoroa actually :) > > I'll be available for the whole day on the Friday one and I can be up for > the Sunday one as well. However I'm presenting at the Hamilton SFD between > 11 and 12 so it'll be about 2 before I get to Auckland. I can do whatever > suits the venue and audience. ie Presentation, Demos, Tutorials and I'll > have some OpenSuSE DVDs as well as some OOo DVDs. > > For the Friday event I can also bring a small KIWI LTSP rig if there is > room to set it up. > Sorry take that back, the Hamilton one is on Saturday so I can be available all day Sunday and I'll bring the LTSP rig with me, just need tables and power to set it up. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 23:30:10 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Sep 8 23:30:19 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: <200909082326.13565.yorick_@openoffice.org> References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <30193.119.15.0.26.1252378514.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <200909082319.59325.yorick_@openoffice.org> <200909082326.13565.yorick_@openoffice.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Graham Lauder wrote: > On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:19:59 Graham Lauder wrote: >> >> I'll be available for the whole day on the Friday one and I can be up for >> the Sunday one as well. ?However I'm presenting at the Hamilton SFD between >> ?11 and 12 so it'll be about 2 before I get to Auckland. ?I can do whatever >> suits the venue and audience. ?ie Presentation, Demos, Tutorials ?and I'll >> have some OpenSuSE DVDs as well as some OOo DVDs. >> >> For the Friday event I can also bring a small KIWI LTSP rig if there is >> room to set it up. > > Sorry take that back, the Hamilton one is on Saturday so I can be available > all day Sunday and I'll bring the LTSP rig with me, just need tables and > power to set it up. > > Cheers > GL You're a legend! We'll be doing up a proposed schedule very soon. For Friday's event, given that we're using a school we should be able to try the LTSP out on a fair few computers - I'll talk to Mark Osborne about it. As for Sunday's, we could possibly do a "bring in your computer and try it out" sort of a deal. If we get the university venue (which we're going to have make a decision on VERY soon - probably by the end of Wednesday) we will probably be able to do a much larger scale demo (the university venue we're trying for is HUGE). Regards, Nevyn. From yorick_ at openoffice.org Wed Sep 9 01:33:01 2009 From: yorick_ at openoffice.org (Graham Lauder) Date: Wed Sep 9 01:33:10 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200909082326.13565.yorick_@openoffice.org> Message-ID: <200909090133.01601.yorick_@openoffice.org> On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:30:10 Nevyn wrote: > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Graham Lauder wrote: > > On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:19:59 Graham Lauder wrote: > >> I'll be available for the whole day on the Friday one and I can be up > >> for the Sunday one as well. ?However I'm presenting at the Hamilton SFD > >> between 11 and 12 so it'll be about 2 before I get to Auckland. ?I can > >> do whatever suits the venue and audience. ?ie Presentation, Demos, > >> Tutorials ?and I'll have some OpenSuSE DVDs as well as some OOo DVDs. > >> > >> For the Friday event I can also bring a small KIWI LTSP rig if there is > >> room to set it up. > > > > Sorry take that back, the Hamilton one is on Saturday so I can be > > available all day Sunday and I'll bring the LTSP rig with me, just need > > tables and power to set it up. > > > > Cheers > > GL > > You're a legend! We'll be doing up a proposed schedule very soon. For > Friday's event, given that we're using a school we should be able to > try the LTSP out on a fair few computers - I'll talk to Mark Osborne > about it. Schools usually avoid LTSP for Classroom work and stick to fat clients mainly because much of their work is graphics heavy and running things like the GIMP, Blender and Inkscape over an LTSP network can result in performance issues. However it's a good demo for general interest and for admin work in schools and it gives people an opportunity to play. > > As for Sunday's, we could possibly do a "bring in your computer and > try it out" sort of a deal. If we get the university venue (which > we're going to have make a decision on VERY soon - probably by the end > of Wednesday) we will probably be able to do a much larger scale demo > (the university venue we're trying for is HUGE). Sweet, whatever suits. The guy who does a lot of the website development work for the main OOo Website is actually at Auckland Uni. I've copied this mail to him to see if he's available as well. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Sep 9 09:30:58 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Sep 9 09:31:12 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: <200909090133.01601.yorick_@openoffice.org> References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200909082326.13565.yorick_@openoffice.org> <200909090133.01601.yorick_@openoffice.org> Message-ID: <4AA6CD12.30909@catalyst.net.nz> On 09/09/09 Graham Lauder wrote: > Schools usually avoid LTSP for Classroom work and stick to fat > clients mainly > because much of their work is graphics heavy and running things like > the > GIMP, Blender and Inkscape over an LTSP network can result in > performance > issues. However it's a good demo for general interest and for admin > work in > schools and it gives people an opportunity to play. Doesn't LTSP let you run some apps locally? Vik :v) From yorick_ at openoffice.org Wed Sep 9 10:09:10 2009 From: yorick_ at openoffice.org (Graham Lauder) Date: Wed Sep 9 10:08:47 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: <4AA6CD12.30909@catalyst.net.nz> References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200909090133.01601.yorick_@openoffice.org> <4AA6CD12.30909@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <200909091009.10606.yorick_@openoffice.org> On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 09:30:58 Vik Olliver wrote: > On 09/09/09 Graham Lauder wrote: > > Schools usually avoid LTSP for Classroom work and stick to fat > > clients mainly > > because much of their work is graphics heavy and running things like > > the > > GIMP, Blender and Inkscape over an LTSP network can result in > > performance > > issues. However it's a good demo for general interest and for admin > > work in > > schools and it gives people an opportunity to play. > > Doesn't LTSP let you run some apps locally? > > Vik :v) > > LTSP 5 does but I think that requires a local HD. I'm a Luddite, still using 4.2. ;) I'm upgrading at the moment to KIWI LTSP and I'll figure out how the local apps work and whether they will on my hardware. I've been putting off the upgrade for months, just needed this for motivation. :D Cheers G -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 9 10:21:51 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Sep 9 10:22:00 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: <200909082319.59325.yorick_@openoffice.org> References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <391684.50227.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <30193.119.15.0.26.1252378514.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <200909082319.59325.yorick_@openoffice.org> Message-ID: <936174.61284.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thanks Graham, > I'll have some OpenSuSE DVDs Sweet! Are you pretty well-versed in Toa of SuSE? Would be good to have that side covered too, since my SuSE is very scetchy. I think we have RHEL/Fedora pretty well on board. I'm *still* awaiting feedback from Canonical/Novell, but enough of us use Ubuntu, or a variant thereof, to have that side covered. Are you able to comment on the MS/Novell partnership, their VM solutions & how that benefits us? Or can you only speak as a SuSE-fan? Cheers - Jaco From yorick_ at openoffice.org Wed Sep 9 11:50:39 2009 From: yorick_ at openoffice.org (Graham Lauder) Date: Wed Sep 9 11:50:30 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: <936174.61284.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200909082319.59325.yorick_@openoffice.org> <936174.61284.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200909091150.39787.yorick_@openoffice.org> On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:21:51 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Thanks Graham, > > > I'll have some OpenSuSE DVDs > > Sweet! Are you pretty well-versed in Toa of SuSE? Toa? you'll have to translate that acronym for me. :) > > Would be good to have that side covered too, since my SuSE is very scetchy. > I think we have RHEL/Fedora pretty well on board. > I'm *still* awaiting feedback from Canonical/Novell, but enough of us use > Ubuntu, or a variant thereof, to have that side covered. I can make a decent hack at it from the viewpoint of a long time SuSE user but my main thing is Desktop applications and obviously specifically OpenOffice.org. I come at it from a marketing perspective rather than a Developers POV, so I can tell people why I use SuSE as opposed to others and I can talk about the project as an overview, but I'm sketchy on the hacking side. > > Are you able to comment on the MS/Novell partnership, their VM solutions & > how that benefits us? Or can you only speak as a SuSE-fan? I can certainly talk about the benefits of the partnership as they apply to SuSE, and downstream to OOo, but my main focus will be OpenOffice.org for obvious reasons. > > Cheers > > - Jaco Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Sep 9 11:58:56 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Sep 9 11:59:07 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: <200909091150.39787.yorick_@openoffice.org> References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200909082319.59325.yorick_@openoffice.org> <936174.61284.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200909091150.39787.yorick_@openoffice.org> Message-ID: <4AA6EFC0.5060808@catalyst.net.nz> On 09/09/09 Graham Lauder wrote: > Toa? you'll have to translate that acronym for me. :) It's an anagram of Tao :) Vik :v) From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 9 13:06:37 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Sep 9 13:06:46 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: <200909091009.10606.yorick_@openoffice.org> References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200909090133.01601.yorick_@openoffice.org> <4AA6CD12.30909@catalyst.net.nz> <200909091009.10606.yorick_@openoffice.org> Message-ID: <978016.32852.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I think there was a rumour that we may be looking @ PXE/NetBoot at the next AuckLUG meet. That & LTSP fit in really nicely into VM's discussed earlier Also, a setup like that (including a local apt-cacher-ng proxy; will try hosting one on my MBP) would be really cool @ the SFD, for quick demo's & installations - J From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 14:33:05 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Sep 9 14:33:15 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > As mentioned before, so we have 2 events: Albany School & "main" event on Sun 20th (tentatively RvB; Uni pending) > > While we're trying to nail down the last one, and before we start with a promotional push, can we please get a list of people participating/helping out & businessed/inteties that are contributing, or otherwise participating. > > At present, I can only speak of those I absolutely know about, so please add your name if you're volunteering time/energies, or if you'll be representing you business' interes: > * Jaco (myself) helping out on Fry & Sun events; possibly selling SIP trunks (trialing @ work), or demo on self-replicating liveDisks > * Nevyn & POINTS > * Vik & RepRap > * MindKits (Arduino workshop) > * possibly a RHEL/Fedora rep > * ... Just to get things back on topic: are there any other people willing to present something or run a stall of some kind? From toniosm at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 14:37:05 2009 From: toniosm at gmail.com (Antonio San Miguel) Date: Wed Sep 9 14:37:14 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <99ab0c040909081937y3743fb84gd8c8e253a95d8848@mail.gmail.com> We've got 3 demo machines here in AULUG (2 laptops, 1 netbook) that we'd like to "show off". We're still looking for some more. From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 14:38:18 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Sep 9 14:38:29 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: <99ab0c040909081937y3743fb84gd8c8e253a95d8848@mail.gmail.com> References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <99ab0c040909081937y3743fb84gd8c8e253a95d8848@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Antonio San Miguel wrote: > We've got 3 demo machines here in AULUG (2 laptops, 1 netbook) that we'd > like to "show off". We're still looking for some more. Have you had any more thought on doing a presentation? (Just to be difficult) From toniosm at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 14:40:50 2009 From: toniosm at gmail.com (Antonio San Miguel) Date: Wed Sep 9 14:41:04 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: <99ab0c040909081937y3743fb84gd8c8e253a95d8848@mail.gmail.com> References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <99ab0c040909081937y3743fb84gd8c8e253a95d8848@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99ab0c040909081940u3d9d143bo1114046a42acce40@mail.gmail.com> Sorry it's supposed to be UALUG. Damn typos. And yeah, the demos are there just to show people what the installations look like, what softwares are available, etc. A presentation? Oh you mean the FOSS in other Countries thing? I'm still gathering some info. I could also ask the people back at UALUG if anybody wants to do something like that. From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 14:42:47 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Sep 9 14:42:59 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: <99ab0c040909081940u3d9d143bo1114046a42acce40@mail.gmail.com> References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <99ab0c040909081937y3743fb84gd8c8e253a95d8848@mail.gmail.com> <99ab0c040909081940u3d9d143bo1114046a42acce40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Antonio San Miguel wrote: > Sorry it's supposed to be UALUG. Damn typos. And yeah, the demos are there > just to show people what the installations look like, what softwares are > available, etc. > > A presentation? Oh you mean the FOSS in other Countries thing? I'm still > gathering ?some info. I could also ask the people back at UALUG if anybody > wants to do something like that. That'd be great if you could.... From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Sep 9 14:58:57 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Sep 9 14:59:12 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: <99ab0c040909081940u3d9d143bo1114046a42acce40@mail.gmail.com> References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <99ab0c040909081937y3743fb84gd8c8e253a95d8848@mail.gmail.com> <99ab0c040909081940u3d9d143bo1114046a42acce40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA719F1.50903@catalyst.net.nz> I also have a couple of the OLPCs. I can show them off if you like. Vik :v) On 09/09/09 Antonio San Miguel wrote: > Sorry it's supposed to be UALUG. Damn typos. And yeah, the demos are > there > just to show people what the installations look like, what softwares > are > available, etc. > > A presentation? Oh you mean the FOSS in other Countries thing? I'm > still > gathering some info. I could also ask the people back at UALUG if > anybody > wants to do something like that. From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 15:04:13 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Sep 9 15:04:21 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: <4AA719F1.50903@catalyst.net.nz> References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <99ab0c040909081937y3743fb84gd8c8e253a95d8848@mail.gmail.com> <99ab0c040909081940u3d9d143bo1114046a42acce40@mail.gmail.com> <4AA719F1.50903@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Vik Olliver wrote: > I also have a couple of the OLPCs. I can show them off if you like. > > Vik :v) Definitely.... especially want to see a mesh network in action... line 'em all up so that each computer can only see one other machine and then ping between the two ends... From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Sep 9 15:11:02 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Sep 9 15:11:12 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <99ab0c040909081937y3743fb84gd8c8e253a95d8848@mail.gmail.com> <99ab0c040909081940u3d9d143bo1114046a42acce40@mail.gmail.com> <4AA719F1.50903@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <4AA71CC6.8020405@catalyst.net.nz> On 09/09/09 Nevyn wrote: > Definitely.... especially want to see a mesh network in action... line > 'em all up so that each computer can only see one other machine and > then ping between the two ends... If anyone has another OLPC we might be able to, but I only have the two. That can demonstrate joint activities. Plus we should have Sugar-onna-stick to load into victim laptops. Vik :v) From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 9 15:20:24 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Sep 9 15:20:33 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: <4AA71CC6.8020405@catalyst.net.nz> References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <99ab0c040909081937y3743fb84gd8c8e253a95d8848@mail.gmail.com> <99ab0c040909081940u3d9d143bo1114046a42acce40@mail.gmail.com> <4AA719F1.50903@catalyst.net.nz> <4AA71CC6.8020405@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <678107.60770.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > If anyone has another OLPC we might be able to, but I only have the two. You know if an Asus eeePC 701 can run the SugarOS, or is it hardware specific? Reason I ask, is that I don't mind nuking that netbook (what I principally use it for), since I run many of my OS off flash disks (i.e: moblin, jolicloud, android, etc) - J From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 9 15:24:30 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Sep 9 15:24:39 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: <4AA71CC6.8020405@catalyst.net.nz> References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <99ab0c040909081937y3743fb84gd8c8e253a95d8848@mail.gmail.com> <99ab0c040909081940u3d9d143bo1114046a42acce40@mail.gmail.com> <4AA719F1.50903@catalyst.net.nz> <4AA71CC6.8020405@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <453944.32124.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Found Sugar-on-a-Stick (SoaS, v1 & 2-beta; queued for download after-hours) From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Sep 9 18:43:42 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Sep 9 18:43:58 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - list participants In-Reply-To: <678107.60770.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <33511.91411.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <99ab0c040909081937y3743fb84gd8c8e253a95d8848@mail.gmail.com> <99ab0c040909081940u3d9d143bo1114046a42acce40@mail.gmail.com> <4AA719F1.50903@catalyst.net.nz> <4AA71CC6.8020405@catalyst.net.nz> <678107.60770.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AA74E9E.5040001@catalyst.net.nz> Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >> If anyone has another OLPC we might be able to, but I only have the two. > You know if an Asus eeePC 701 can run the SugarOS, or is it hardware specific? It certainly looks that way. I think this is Sugar-onna-stick (for those who haven't found it yet http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick ) Here it is running in the wild: http://www.flickr.com/photos/curiouslee/3357727291/ We'll be showing it off at SFD with any luck. I hope to grab a bunch of USB sticks to hand out with it pre-installed. Maybe as winners for an OLPC game or something. Vik :v) From apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz Thu Sep 10 22:20:54 2009 From: apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz (Aaron Pelly) Date: Thu Sep 10 22:21:07 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Automated apt-get upgrade Message-ID: <00a301ca3200$61844e50$248ceaf0$@co.nz> I'm running Karmic alpha on a couple of older PCs around the place, one of which I primarilly use for 15 minutes in the morning to read the news. Upgrading takes an age and interferes with my 15 minutes. Can I run a cron job to do regular updates for me? Aaron. Kiva - loans that change lives From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 23:06:15 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Sep 10 23:06:28 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Automated apt-get upgrade In-Reply-To: <00a301ca3200$61844e50$248ceaf0$@co.nz> References: <00a301ca3200$61844e50$248ceaf0$@co.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Aaron Pelly wrote: > I'm running Karmic alpha on a couple of older PCs around the place, one of > which I primarilly use for 15 minutes in the morning to read the news. > Upgrading takes an age and interferes with my 15 minutes. Can I run a cron job > to do regular updates for me? > > Aaron. > > ? Kiva - loans that change lives Short answer: yes Long answer: Update what? The distro or pre-fetching the page? From apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz Thu Sep 10 23:13:01 2009 From: apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz (Aaron Pelly) Date: Thu Sep 10 23:13:10 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Automated apt-get upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <00a301ca3200$61844e50$248ceaf0$@co.nz> Message-ID: <00a801ca3207$a8e5e900$fab1bb00$@co.nz> > On Behalf Of Nevyn > Sent: Thursday, 10 September 2009 11:06 p.m. > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Aaron Pelly > wrote: > > I'm running Karmic alpha on a couple of older PCs around the place, one > of > > which I primarilly use for 15 minutes in the morning to read the news. > > Upgrading takes an age and interferes with my 15 minutes. Can I run a > cron job > > to do regular updates for me? > > > > Aaron. > > > > ? Kiva - loans that change lives > > Short answer: yes > Long answer: Update what? The distro or pre-fetching the page? I guess I'm asking what the effect of this is #!/bin/bash apt-get update apt-get upgrade if I run it, say, every day at 2am. Do people do this? What happens if some upgrade bit requires user interaction? Is there a better way? From kiirani at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 00:13:54 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Fri Sep 11 00:14:05 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Automated apt-get upgrade In-Reply-To: <00a801ca3207$a8e5e900$fab1bb00$@co.nz> References: <00a301ca3200$61844e50$248ceaf0$@co.nz> <00a801ca3207$a8e5e900$fab1bb00$@co.nz> Message-ID: <2494ad260909100513j2f0f0db8ne241120d5b2f7a34@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/10 Aaron Pelly : > I guess I'm asking what the effect of this is > > #!/bin/bash > apt-get update > apt-get upgrade > > if I run it, say, every day at 2am. Do people do this? What happens if some > upgrade bit requires user interaction? Is there a better way? Having never tried this before, I don't see why it wouldn't work. The potential issue would be if you have problems due to the upgrade, you won't be there while it's happening to fix it (and will have to spend your 15 minutes doing just that). You'll need to ensure that your machine is powered on at the time you want to run the cron job, and you'll need to turn off the "Are you sure you want to do this? [Y/n]" prompts. (apt-get -y upgrade...) >From a quick browse of the man page it looks like there are a few more options that could help out... Have a read: http://linux.die.net/man/8/apt-get From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 00:21:03 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Sep 11 00:21:11 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Automated apt-get upgrade In-Reply-To: <00a801ca3207$a8e5e900$fab1bb00$@co.nz> References: <00a301ca3200$61844e50$248ceaf0$@co.nz> <00a801ca3207$a8e5e900$fab1bb00$@co.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Aaron Pelly wrote: >> On Behalf Of Nevyn >> Sent: Thursday, 10 September 2009 11:06 p.m. >> >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Aaron Pelly >> wrote: >> > I'm running Karmic alpha on a couple of older PCs around the place, one >> of >> > which I primarilly use for 15 minutes in the morning to read the news. >> > Upgrading takes an age and interferes with my 15 minutes. Can I run a >> cron job >> > to do regular updates for me? >> > >> > Aaron. >> > >> > ? Kiva - loans that change lives >> >> Short answer: yes >> Long answer: Update what? The distro or pre-fetching the page? > > I guess I'm asking what the effect of this is > > #!/bin/bash > apt-get update > apt-get upgrade > > if I run it, say, every day at 2am. Do people do this? What happens if some > upgrade bit requires user interaction? Is there a better way? My apologies. Didn't read the subject. It's always best to be around if there's an error. You could however get it to do the download... #!/bin/bash apt-get update apt-get upgrade -d Then when you're at the computer you should just have to type in: apt-get upgrade and it should all happen fairly quickly. If you're putting this in a cron job, it's always best to specify the full path of any commands, so for apt-get it'd be /usr/bin/apt-get From jj.walker at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 04:49:41 2009 From: jj.walker at gmail.com (Jamie Walker) Date: Fri Sep 11 04:49:54 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Automated apt-get upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <00a301ca3200$61844e50$248ceaf0$@co.nz> <00a801ca3207$a8e5e900$fab1bb00$@co.nz> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Nevyn wrote: > #!/bin/bash > apt-get update > apt-get upgrade -d The cron-apt package can take care of this part for you. -- Gmail/Gtalk/MSN: jj.walker@gmail.com (or shout loudly) From michael.auckland at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 07:17:52 2009 From: michael.auckland at gmail.com (Michael) Date: Fri Sep 11 07:18:04 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Automated apt-get upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <00a301ca3200$61844e50$248ceaf0$@co.nz> <00a801ca3207$a8e5e900$fab1bb00$@co.nz> Message-ID: <35207fdf0909101217l3b11a252vd4fd2972c4f02d50@mail.gmail.com> > The cron-apt package can take care of this part for you. or as separate process : apt-get update && apt-get upgrade --download-only --yes --force-yes -- -- Michael From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Fri Sep 11 09:11:24 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Fri Sep 11 09:11:33 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Automated apt-get upgrade In-Reply-To: <00a301ca3200$61844e50$248ceaf0$@co.nz> References: <00a301ca3200$61844e50$248ceaf0$@co.nz> Message-ID: <142494.69216.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > on a couple of older PCs around the place If you have multiple .deb systems to maintain, install apt-cacher-ng on one of them. That way, you only download a copy of the data/updates once for multiple use. I run mine in a VM (with a seperate cahe image), so that I can have a portable off-line copy. From apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz Fri Sep 11 11:14:39 2009 From: apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz (Aaron Pelly) Date: Fri Sep 11 11:14:47 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Automated apt-get upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <00a301ca3200$61844e50$248ceaf0$@co.nz> <00a801ca3207$a8e5e900$fab1bb00$@co.nz> Message-ID: <00c401ca326c$78c25960$6a470c20$@co.nz> > On Behalf Of Jamie Walker > Sent: Friday, 11 September 2009 4:50 a.m. > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Automated apt-get upgrade > > > #!/bin/bash > > apt-get update > > apt-get upgrade -d > > The cron-apt package can take care of this part for you. Thanks. Perfect. The problem with just downloading the updates overnight has been that the installation takes much longer than the download, and uses 100% cpu. Another issue has come to the fore now though, but I will start another thread. Thanks for your help guys. Aaron. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Fri Sep 11 11:51:21 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Fri Sep 11 11:51:30 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch Message-ID: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> OK, this is it. We effectivly have a week left for the 2 Auckland-based SFD events, and there's till a truckload to do. (wanted to use another workk, but there are children watching this program) What we've got so far; 2 events are arranged: WHEN? Friday 18 September 2009, 16:00 WHAT? Focus on Schools, Edu, Parents, Teachers, Kids, including FLOSS LAN party. Welcome to bring your laptop & join in the fun WHERE? Albany Senior High School (http://ashs.school.nz/) [http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-36.7458&lon=174.7185&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF] OR [http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Albany+Senior+High+School,+Auckland+0632&sll=-36.847385,174.765735&sspn=0.040524,0.082312&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FU-Lz_0daqdpCg&split=0&ll=-36.727672,174.695406&spn=0.020294,0.041156&z=15&iwloc=A] WHEN? Sunday September 2009, 10:00 - 16:00 WHAT? "main" event. Format of a workshop/install-fest, & platform for businesses/techies to connect with potential suctomers. Hope for it to be a lot more fun than it sounds, so please come out to play WHERE? Auckland Unibversity SciSpace (Room G16, Ground Floor Science Centre, Building 303, City Campus) [http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-36.851979&lon=174.770224&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF] OR [http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Science+Centre,+Building+303,+Auckland&sll=-36.727672,174.695406&sspn=0.020294,0.041156&ie=UTF8&ll=-36.852003,174.769639&spn=0.002533,0.005144&z=18&iwloc=A] WHO? Well, thus far we have a few parties involved. I'll try to list as much as I can remember, or have on correspondence * Mark Osborne - Albany's vice-principal * Vik (big +X kudo's to Vik, he's been doing an awefull lot of the heavy-lifiting), with RepRap, some Arduino assistance & the OLPC's * Nevyn - POINTS * Tim - MindKits (Arduino sales & play-tiem) * RHEL/Fedora - finalizing people that'll represent * Graham Lauder - OpenOffice.org, intro to SuSE (user's perspective) & LTSP box * Peter Harrison - OSS (local biz representation; business cards) * Antonio - Students @ Uni use of FLOSS "Show&Tell". Launch of UALUG? International...thingy * ....some are missing here; don't want to presume anything without more confirmation * {your name here?} TO DO? A LOT! * Marketing/awareness is still a big issue, and since we have $0 budget available to us, it's pretty-much word-of-mouth * Thus far, I've not yet heard anything back from Canonical/Ubuntu regarding the promotional goods, so I'll consider that a dud (better luck, & preperation, next year) * Schedules & inerary. Tables, chairs, internet connection, power points, projector * Kit: I've still got some Ubuntu stickers left, got some CD's & DVD's (maybe 10 or so) we can use to burn content, will bring my toolkit, laptop & netbook, have some old hardware I'm willng to part with & I swing by the eDay (www.eday.org.nz) to see if I can scrounge around for old hardware that can be repurposed * Informing any interrested media about the event * etc, etc, etc Well, that's the info I have available to me (& got some work to do). If anyone has anything to add/contribute, please do so A BIG thanks again to the everyone that have contributed/participated thus far! This is a monumental effort, and we've done a pretty decent job so far with the VERY little resources available to us. Cheers - J From apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz Fri Sep 11 11:55:22 2009 From: apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz (Aaron Pelly) Date: Fri Sep 11 11:55:35 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mail Message-ID: <00c501ca3272$293ec300$7bbc4900$@co.nz> Hi guys, As a result of investigating cron-apt I have some questions about linux mail. In the first instance, I'd like to get mail from all my various boxes sent to one internal address, but moving forward it'd be a good thing to manage mail addresses for a couple of .nz domains too. I did read a thread here, or maybe nzlug, a few weeks ago that said, to paraphrase, "don't bother, it's too hard, just use gmail." Am I right to say that? Anyway, I've had a few goes at getting something functional over the years, but it's a giant topic and I end up giving up. After a days research and fiddling I am always swamped with options, indecision and worries about spending days setting up something too simple or too complicated. I think I'm missing something fundamental, so: 1) What should I use to send mail from linux/bsd boxes? 2) Do I need an internal domain name server first? 3) I can run up a virtual machine and install some mail server on it, but what? 4) Does the mail server belong inside the network, or in the dmz? Thanks, and sorry to ask such broad questions. Aaron Kiva - loans that change lives From toniosm at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 12:14:47 2009 From: toniosm at gmail.com (Antonio San Miguel) Date: Fri Sep 11 12:14:56 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <99ab0c040909101714v220d6388q3ec70a5fb8823040@mail.gmail.com> Just a slight correction on the map for the Auckland Uni location: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=104466971427416568906.00047341f6aff2bd75ede&ll=-36.852707,174.768748&spn=0.00294,0.006716&t=h&z=18 Let me know if it works. (SciSpace is located in the building near Princes St instead of the one nearer to Symonds) There are already some chairs and tables in there as well. Nevyn's been there and I'll try to get a few pics up when Uni resumes on Monday. There's also a widescreen TV there, but I'll still ask if we can use that. Also, anybody else interested in doing talks about how FOSS is doing internationally? I wouldn't want to go out there by myself... Cheers, Tony From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Fri Sep 11 12:23:05 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Fri Sep 11 12:23:13 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: <99ab0c040909101714v220d6388q3ec70a5fb8823040@mail.gmail.com> References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <99ab0c040909101714v220d6388q3ec70a5fb8823040@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <769980.95728.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >Also, anybody else interested in doing talks about how FOSS is doing >internationally? I wouldn't want to go out there by myself... Don't worry, Tony. You're not alone; most of the guys are justa tad shy. I'll see what I can arrange with my ZA counterparts. We've got a host of social media we can use to interact with other international events (IRC, Twitter, identi.ca, etc) Thanks for the help - J From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 12:35:57 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Sep 11 12:36:05 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mail In-Reply-To: <00c501ca3272$293ec300$7bbc4900$@co.nz> References: <00c501ca3272$293ec300$7bbc4900$@co.nz> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Aaron Pelly wrote: > Hi guys, > > Anyway, I've had a few goes at getting something functional over the years, but > it's a giant topic and I end up giving up. After a days research and fiddling I > am always swamped with options, indecision and worries about spending days > setting up something too simple or too complicated. I think I'm missing > something fundamental, so: > > 1) ? ? ?What should I use to send mail from linux/bsd boxes? > 2) ? ? ?Do I need an internal domain name server first? > 3) ? ? ?I can run up a virtual machine and install some mail server on it, but > what? > 4) ? ? ?Does the mail server belong inside the network, or in the dmz? > > Thanks, and sorry to ask such broad questions. > > Aaron > ? Kiva - loans that change lives Hi Aaron, I've been meaning to revisit this. I always kind of get stuck on the options... Anyway, I was thinking that it might help to try and reduce my choices by picking a distribution (and surprise surprise, I decided on Ubuntu). I came across this site a little while back though haven't read through it yet (panicking about getting POINTS up and going before SFD at the moment and I still have to write my presentation): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer If you do go down this road, let me know how comprehensive it is. From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 12:43:29 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Sep 11 12:43:38 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: <769980.95728.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <99ab0c040909101714v220d6388q3ec70a5fb8823040@mail.gmail.com> <769980.95728.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >>Also, anybody else interested in doing talks about how FOSS is doing >>internationally? I wouldn't want to go out there by myself... > > Don't worry, Tony. > You're not alone; most of the guys are justa tad shy. > > I'll see what I can arrange with my ZA counterparts. > We've got a host of social media we can use to interact with other international events (IRC, Twitter, identi.ca, etc) > > Thanks for the help > > - J It's really not a bad idea - if we could get say... another 2 or 3 people doing 10 minutes each on Open Source in an technologicaly emerging country specific to whatever country you happen to know about. The idea came about when talking to Tony - he'd said that it was harder to push in a country where the computer saturation rates were already fairly high. It's harder to get media attention etc. So anything on experiences on advocating open source in different places would be brilliant. Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 12:46:17 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Sep 11 12:46:26 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: <99ab0c040909101714v220d6388q3ec70a5fb8823040@mail.gmail.com> References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <99ab0c040909101714v220d6388q3ec70a5fb8823040@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Antonio San Miguel wrote: > Just a slight correction on the map for the Auckland Uni location: > http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=104466971427416568906.00047341f6aff2bd75ede&ll=-36.852707,174.768748&spn=0.00294,0.006716&t=h&z=18 > > Let me know if it works. (SciSpace is located in the building near Princes > St instead of the one nearer to Symonds) > > There are already some chairs and tables in there as well. Nevyn's been > there and I'll try to get a few pics up when Uni resumes on Monday. There's > also a widescreen TV there, but I'll still ask if we can use that. > > Also, anybody else interested in doing talks about how FOSS is doing > internationally? I wouldn't want to go out there by myself... > > Cheers, > Tony We may need to ask around about a projector. There wasn't one there (and no screen either). I think we're sweet for Albany on this front. University of Auckland is probably going to be a whole other story. As for sound, I was thinking perhaps cheap home theatre amps. For presentations, a bluetooth headset through a computer and then to one of the cheap home theatre setups.... From yorick_ at openoffice.org Fri Sep 11 13:18:47 2009 From: yorick_ at openoffice.org (Graham Lauder) Date: Fri Sep 11 13:22:03 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <99ab0c040909101714v220d6388q3ec70a5fb8823040@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200909111318.47790.yorick_@openoffice.org> > > We may need to ask around about a projector. There wasn't one there > (and no screen either). I think we're sweet for Albany on this front. > University of Auckland is probably going to be a whole other story. As > for sound, I was thinking perhaps cheap home theatre amps. For > presentations, a bluetooth headset through a computer and then to one > of the cheap home theatre setups.... I'll bring my projector and laptop Cheers G -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. Upgrade your Office to the next generation Office suite. http://why.openoffice.org INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz From vik at catalyst.net.nz Fri Sep 11 13:43:11 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Fri Sep 11 13:43:23 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mail In-Reply-To: <00c501ca3272$293ec300$7bbc4900$@co.nz> References: <00c501ca3272$293ec300$7bbc4900$@co.nz> Message-ID: <4AA9AB2F.3030803@catalyst.net.nz> On 11/09/09 Aaron Pelly wrote: > > 1) What should I use to send mail from linux/bsd boxes? At the command prompt? alpine, mutt, something of that ilk. > 2) Do I need an internal domain name server first? Nope, you can run off a static IP with an external DNS. I find it handy to have an internal one though with family usage. > 3) I can run up a virtual machine and install some mail server > on it, but what? Probably exim, or similar. I use sendmail just to gain geek cred. > 4) Does the mail server belong inside the network, or in the dmz? The mail server proper goes in the DMZ. I then pull from that to an IMAP server on the main network where we access it locally. A little convoluted, but it works for me. It's sometimes a bugger having to tunnel into your own mailserver though! Vik :v) From apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz Fri Sep 11 13:50:35 2009 From: apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz (Aaron Pelly) Date: Fri Sep 11 13:50:45 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mail In-Reply-To: References: <00c501ca3272$293ec300$7bbc4900$@co.nz> Message-ID: <00df01ca3282$415ea760$c41bf620$@co.nz> > On Behalf Of Nevyn > Sent: Friday, 11 September 2009 12:36 p.m. > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Aaron Pelly > wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > Anyway, I've had a few goes at getting something functional over the > years, but > > it's a giant topic and I end up giving up. After a days research and > fiddling I > > am always swamped with options, indecision and worries about spending > days > > setting up something too simple or too complicated. I think I'm missing > > something fundamental, so: > > > > 1) ? ? ?What should I use to send mail from linux/bsd boxes? > > 2) ? ? ?Do I need an internal domain name server first? > > 3) ? ? ?I can run up a virtual machine and install some mail server on > it, but > > what? > > 4) ? ? ?Does the mail server belong inside the network, or in the dmz? > > > > Thanks, and sorry to ask such broad questions. > > > > Aaron > > ? Kiva - loans that change lives > > Hi Aaron, > > I've been meaning to revisit this. I always kind of get stuck on the > options... Anyway, I was thinking that it might help to try and reduce > my choices by picking a distribution (and surprise surprise, I decided > on Ubuntu). I came across this site a little while back though haven't > read through it yet (panicking about getting POINTS up and going > before SFD at the moment and I still have to write my presentation): > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer > > If you do go down this road, let me know how comprehensive it is. Damn this is frustrating, doubly so because there really is mountains on mountains of stuff on the web about it. I bookmarked this interesting guide ages ago, but never got around to doing anything except browsing through it: http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-spamsnake-ubuntu-8.04 Anyway, first things first. From Nevyn's link: "Webmail permits you and your email users to view their email via their webbrowser from anywhere in the world." Handy. In fact, access to mail from outside would be brilliant, by IMAP I guess. But this suggests that the mail server should be in the DMZ. On the other hand, the server contains your (private and sensitive) mail, so it should be inside your network. Which is it? There is another related question here. Another thing I have found buckets of information about on the web. Too much information for one guy, me anyway, to distil into broad understanding. I want access to some of my services from the internet; a couple of tiny web sites, a couple of private web services like mythtv, mail, and whatever else I want to put on-line. How do I do this securely? Aaron From vik at catalyst.net.nz Fri Sep 11 13:52:04 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Fri Sep 11 13:52:14 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: <200909111318.47790.yorick_@openoffice.org> References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <99ab0c040909101714v220d6388q3ec70a5fb8823040@mail.gmail.com> <200909111318.47790.yorick_@openoffice.org> Message-ID: <4AA9AD44.8050101@catalyst.net.nz> On 11/09/09 Graham Lauder wrote: > I'll bring my projector and laptop I'll try not to break it. My laptop doesn't often talk politely to external screens. I use OO but generally convert my presentations to PDF and use Kpdf (now okular) in presentation mode. Animated presentations are the spawn of the devil! Vik :v) From vik at catalyst.net.nz Fri Sep 11 13:56:39 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Fri Sep 11 13:56:52 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mail In-Reply-To: <00df01ca3282$415ea760$c41bf620$@co.nz> References: <00c501ca3272$293ec300$7bbc4900$@co.nz> <00df01ca3282$415ea760$c41bf620$@co.nz> Message-ID: <4AA9AE57.3040104@catalyst.net.nz> On 11/09/09 Aaron Pelly wrote: > I want access to some of my services from the > internet; a couple of tiny web sites, a couple of private web > services like > mythtv, mail, and whatever else I want to put on-line. How do I do > this > securely? >From where on what? Some like to tunnel in with SSH and copy files or do stuff with the command line. Others use SSH to launch X applications that run remotely. Or you can use OpenVPN. If you're a real cheapskate you can use DNS tunnelling (nstx etc.) to leech bandwidth of most wifi networks! Vik :v) From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 14:06:30 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Sep 11 14:06:41 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mail In-Reply-To: <00df01ca3282$415ea760$c41bf620$@co.nz> References: <00c501ca3272$293ec300$7bbc4900$@co.nz> <00df01ca3282$415ea760$c41bf620$@co.nz> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Aaron Pelly wrote: > > Anyway, first things first. From Nevyn's link: "Webmail permits you and your > email users to view their email via their webbrowser from anywhere in the > world." Handy. In fact, access to mail from outside would be brilliant, by IMAP > I guess. But this suggests that the mail server should be in the DMZ. On the > other hand, the server contains your (private and sensitive) mail, so it should > be inside your network. Which is it? > > There is another related question here. Another thing I have found buckets of > information about on the web. Too much information for one guy, me anyway, to > distil into broad understanding. I want access to some of my services from the > internet; a couple of tiny web sites, a couple of private web services like > mythtv, mail, and whatever else I want to put on-line. How do I do this > securely? > > Aaron The webmail part is just a front-end to the mail server - so best concentrating on MTA's and things of that ilk. The distribution thing - might be easier just to have a read of the ones installed by default. In terms of accessing private stuff from outside, I tend to have a ssh port forwarded to a computer inside my network and use that to access the bits inside my network (normally just the command line - ssh to other machines). I'm not sure if you could create a tunnel to that machine and then use it to access web services... From apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz Fri Sep 11 14:27:36 2009 From: apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz (Aaron Pelly) Date: Fri Sep 11 14:27:45 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mail In-Reply-To: <4AA9AB2F.3030803@catalyst.net.nz> References: <00c501ca3272$293ec300$7bbc4900$@co.nz> <4AA9AB2F.3030803@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <00e001ca3287$6d116230$47342690$@co.nz> > On Behalf Of Vik Olliver > Sent: Friday, 11 September 2009 1:43 p.m. > > On 11/09/09 Aaron Pelly wrote: > > > > 1) What should I use to send mail from linux/bsd boxes? > > At the command prompt? alpine, mutt, something of that ilk. Not exactly what I meant. And now I think about it, I don't know how to ask what I meant. On an AIX box I use, sendmail is installed. I can, and do, use sendmail to, well, send mail. Mail(1) is used to read mail. I figured that if I wanted to have, say, root's mail redirected to some central mail server, that I would have to install some system default thing for sending mail. My lexicon is letting me down. Sigh. I think I'm talking about an MTA. > > 2) Do I need an internal domain name server first? > > Nope, you can run off a static IP with an external DNS. I find it handy > to have an internal one though with family usage. I think I don't know enough about DNS now either. How will the mail server resolve internal addresses without an internal name server? Maybe it doesn't matter, because how often do you want to send mail to root@box(x).domain.local? I'm thinking that'd be handy to send ssh keys though... And, am I right in thinking then that two DNS servers are required? One in the DMZ and one inside the network? And everything espouses the requirement for two. Does that make a total of 4? Surely not! > > 3) I can run up a virtual machine and install some mail server > > on it, but what? > > Probably exim, or similar. I use sendmail just to gain geek cred. Yes, from a recent discussion here I understand is that it really doesn't matter from a technical perspective. I was thinking postfix. I asked in case something came up that ruled out some particular ones. > > > 4) Does the mail server belong inside the network, or in the dmz? > > The mail server proper goes in the DMZ. I then pull from that to an IMAP > server on the main network where we access it locally. A little > convoluted, but it works for me. It's sometimes a bugger having to > tunnel into your own mailserver though! Does this mean you can't access your mail from the web, or your phone, or from outside your network? Aaron. From apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz Fri Sep 11 14:56:32 2009 From: apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz (Aaron Pelly) Date: Fri Sep 11 14:56:43 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mail In-Reply-To: <4AA9AE57.3040104@catalyst.net.nz> References: <00c501ca3272$293ec300$7bbc4900$@co.nz> <00df01ca3282$415ea760$c41bf620$@co.nz> <4AA9AE57.3040104@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <00e701ca328b$7842b100$68c81300$@co.nz> > On Behalf Of Vik Olliver > Sent: Friday, 11 September 2009 1:57 p.m. > > On 11/09/09 Aaron Pelly wrote: > > I want access to some of my services from the > > internet; a couple of tiny web sites, a couple of private web > > services like > > mythtv, mail, and whatever else I want to put on-line. How do I do > > this > > securely? > > >From where on what? Some like to tunnel in with SSH and copy files or do > stuff with the command line. Others use SSH to launch X applications > that run remotely. Or you can use OpenVPN. If you're a real cheapskate > you can use DNS tunnelling (nstx etc.) to leech bandwidth of most wifi > networks! Nstx looks very cool! Something else to waste a day on :) This article http://thomer.com/howtos/nstx.html mentions ICMPTX: IP-over-ICMP too. Crazy, I say! But to answer your question, typically from a windows box on site somewhere. I don't carry my own hardware. SSH access would be pretty cool, but apart from you guys I never encounter anybody who uses Linux, there is a windows implementation though isn't there? Mail from my cell phone would be pretty handy sometimes. Opening my network to the world scares the bejesus out of me though. Does anyone use one time passwords? Aaron. From kiirani at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 15:15:57 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Fri Sep 11 15:16:06 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2494ad260909102015v508c52e3qad49914e32da6dd1@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/11 Jaco van der Merwe : > WHEN? Sunday September 2009, 10:00 - 16:00 Is it safe to say that we should be showing up a little earlier than 10 to get set up? From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Fri Sep 11 15:21:26 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Fri Sep 11 15:21:34 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: <2494ad260909102015v508c52e3qad49914e32da6dd1@mail.gmail.com> References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909102015v508c52e3qad49914e32da6dd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369336.40003.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Kennedy, Thanks for participating > a little earlier than 10 Absolutly correct. I understand that we're good from 9am (tim about 5pm, wich gives us an hour to clean up), so I listed 10-4 to give us a bit of breathing space. Also, the nessiarary sacrifices need to be made to the demo-dieties; luckily there's a pub across the way - J From kiirani at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 15:24:19 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Fri Sep 11 15:24:28 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: <369336.40003.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909102015v508c52e3qad49914e32da6dd1@mail.gmail.com> <369336.40003.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2494ad260909102024y1747d927vd3d1cdebb874df21@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/11 Jaco van der Merwe : > Hi Kennedy, > > Thanks for participating > >> a little earlier than 10 > > Absolutly correct. I understand that we're good from 9am (tim ?about 5pm, wich gives us an hour to clean up), so I listed 10-4 to give us a bit of breathing space. > > Also, the nessiarary sacrifices need to be made to the demo-dieties; luckily there's a pub across the way > > - J Good to know. I hope you don't mind if I post an announcement with both times on the UALUG website, and I'll see you all at 9am sharp with my laptop in (hopefully) working order. (Incidentally, the new ualug website has been launched! :) http://ualug.ece.auckland.ac.nz/ ) From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Fri Sep 11 15:32:09 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Fri Sep 11 15:32:18 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: <2494ad260909102024y1747d927vd3d1cdebb874df21@mail.gmail.com> References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909102015v508c52e3qad49914e32da6dd1@mail.gmail.com> <369336.40003.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909102024y1747d927vd3d1cdebb874df21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <979136.70467.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Well, don't expect me too soon; I'll likely get horribly lost trying to find parking 1st ;) >(Incidentally, the new ualug website has been launched! :) >http://ualug.ece.auckland.ac.nz/ ) That's great! Good luck with that. It'll be good to be able to tout a tertiary insitutions FLOSS efforts (looking @ the Waikato & "open" polytech discussions going on elsewhere). Hope that AuckLUG & AULUG have fruitful collaborations in future. Would we be able to leverage the students at Uni to create a bit of ground-level buzz? Maybe some creative use of social media in a short space of time, like Twitter, identi.ca, FaceBook, etc (aka. CrowdSourcing, cheap). Still pretty new territory to me - J From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 15:35:37 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Sep 11 15:35:45 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: <2494ad260909102024y1747d927vd3d1cdebb874df21@mail.gmail.com> References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909102015v508c52e3qad49914e32da6dd1@mail.gmail.com> <369336.40003.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909102024y1747d927vd3d1cdebb874df21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Kennedy Skelton wrote: > (Incidentally, the new ualug website has been launched! :) > http://ualug.ece.auckland.ac.nz/ ) The site looks great! Which reminds me - it might be time to update the AuckLUG website - last update 6 November, 2008 From toniosm at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 15:48:15 2009 From: toniosm at gmail.com (Antonio San Miguel) Date: Fri Sep 11 15:48:24 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: <979136.70467.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909102015v508c52e3qad49914e32da6dd1@mail.gmail.com> <369336.40003.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909102024y1747d927vd3d1cdebb874df21@mail.gmail.com> <979136.70467.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <99ab0c040909102048u66f8f9fo85ede60ad6adff21@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Well, don't expect me too soon; I'll likely get horribly lost trying to > find parking 1st ;) > > Would we be able to leverage the students at Uni to create a bit of > ground-level buzz? > Maybe some creative use of social media in a short space of time, like > Twitter, identi.ca, FaceBook, etc (aka. CrowdSourcing, cheap). > Still pretty new territory to me > > - J > > There's also the old fashioned way of spamming the uni's public bulletin boards. Hahaha. :P Anybody want to try and make something resembling flyers/posters? I'm afraid I'm no good at this. But you can count on me to do the posting. From kiirani at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 15:52:50 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Fri Sep 11 15:52:59 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: <99ab0c040909102048u66f8f9fo85ede60ad6adff21@mail.gmail.com> References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909102015v508c52e3qad49914e32da6dd1@mail.gmail.com> <369336.40003.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909102024y1747d927vd3d1cdebb874df21@mail.gmail.com> <979136.70467.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <99ab0c040909102048u66f8f9fo85ede60ad6adff21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2494ad260909102052h3ac85738k9bc00ff0a686fa4b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/11 Antonio San Miguel : > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Jaco van der Merwe > wrote: >> Would we be able to leverage the students at Uni to create a bit of >> ground-level buzz? >> Maybe some creative use of social media in a short space of time, like >> Twitter, identi.ca, FaceBook, etc (aka. CrowdSourcing, cheap). >> Still pretty new territory to me I could do two things with regards to this: 1) Make a facebook group for ualug just to alert people that there is in fact such an organisation on campus, then post announcements about SFD on this group 2) Invite everybody I know to the software freedom day event & hope word of mouth spreads > ?Anybody want to try and make something resembling flyers/posters? I'm > afraid I'm no good at this. But you can count on me to do the posting. I was actually thinking that somebody aught to make some signs to direct people from the 303 entrance to scispace, & get them laminated. I can do this if anybody would like but it might not be pretty :P From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Fri Sep 11 16:19:42 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Fri Sep 11 16:19:57 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: <2494ad260909102052h3ac85738k9bc00ff0a686fa4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909102015v508c52e3qad49914e32da6dd1@mail.gmail.com> <369336.40003.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909102024y1747d927vd3d1cdebb874df21@mail.gmail.com> <979136.70467.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <99ab0c040909102048u66f8f9fo85ede60ad6adff21@mail.gmail.com> <2494ad260909102052h3ac85738k9bc00ff0a686fa4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <213283.67299.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > 1) Make a facebook group for ualug just to alert people that there is There are already groups set up for NZOSS, NZLUG & AuckLUG. Run it by Don Christie & Mark Harris, as they are overall admin & will be able to direct you to the correct areas to place it, without stepping on any toes (I had to learn that whe I set up the FB pages). It's a courtecy-thing, but I don't expect there to be any hassles > 2) Invite everybody I know to the software freedom day event & hope word of mouth spreads I'm doing the same; hope someone pitches... > I can do this if anybody would like but it might not be pretty :P Go for it. We're working on a shoe-string budget here; if anyone was worried about aethetics, cash might've been required If you need design elements, you can apparently grab graphics from...somewhere (can't recall now). Think the graphics are available form the local & international sites; Nevyn may be able to direct you - J From kiirani at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 16:46:52 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Fri Sep 11 16:47:03 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: <213283.67299.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909102015v508c52e3qad49914e32da6dd1@mail.gmail.com> <369336.40003.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909102024y1747d927vd3d1cdebb874df21@mail.gmail.com> <979136.70467.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <99ab0c040909102048u66f8f9fo85ede60ad6adff21@mail.gmail.com> <2494ad260909102052h3ac85738k9bc00ff0a686fa4b@mail.gmail.com> <213283.67299.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2494ad260909102146h3b8e7e51g8badce0910341e22@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/11 Jaco van der Merwe : >> 1) Make a facebook group for ualug just to alert people that there is > There are already groups set up for NZOSS, NZLUG & AuckLUG. > Run it by Don Christie & Mark Harris, as they are overall admin & will be able to direct you to the correct areas to place it, without stepping on any toes (I had to learn that whe I set up the FB pages). It's a courtecy-thing, but I don't expect there to be any hassles I'll have to look into it sometime later then. Have a lot of homework to get onto. >> I can do this if anybody would like but it might not be pretty :P > Go for it. We're working on a shoe-string budget here; if anyone was worried about aethetics, cash might've been required > > If you need design elements, you can apparently grab graphics from...somewhere (can't recall now). > Think the graphics are available form the local & international sites; Nevyn may be able to direct you Directed myself :) http://softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork/2009 From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Fri Sep 11 16:48:39 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Fri Sep 11 16:48:49 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <99ab0c040909101714v220d6388q3ec70a5fb8823040@mail.gmail.com> <769980.95728.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <599602.161.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> OK. spoke to my ZA counterpart, & he's going to try arrange a hook-up with the Pta team (as muc as is possible). Just have to get detail on time-zones & protocols. Suggested IRC, identi.ca & XMPP. Now to just get it working.... ...has a quick look & it seems a hook-up with ZA will be impossible (their event being the 19th) NZ: Fri 19:00 2009-09-18 ZA: Fri 09:00 2009-09-18 This time-zone thing's a killer! Well, maybe we can do something with the Wellies - J From yorick_ at openoffice.org Fri Sep 11 16:56:54 2009 From: yorick_ at openoffice.org (Graham Lauder) Date: Fri Sep 11 16:59:50 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: <4AA9AD44.8050101@catalyst.net.nz> References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200909111318.47790.yorick_@openoffice.org> <4AA9AD44.8050101@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <200909111656.54960.yorick_@openoffice.org> On Friday 11 September 2009 13:52:04 Vik Olliver wrote: > On 11/09/09 Graham Lauder wrote: > > I'll bring my projector and laptop > > I'll try not to break it. I was going to say or set it on fire, but I think we've beaten that to death and should only be resurrected for LCA! :D > > My laptop doesn't often talk politely to external screens. I use OO but > generally convert my presentations to PDF and use Kpdf (now okular) in > presentation mode. I have Acroread on mine if needed. > > Animated presentations are the spawn of the devil! > > Vik :v) You must've been to one of my Impress workshops! :-) -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. Upgrade your Office to the next generation Office suite. http://why.openoffice.org INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz From kiirani at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 19:32:38 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Fri Sep 11 19:32:51 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2494ad260909110032q5b001794j4290f490dc01a806@mail.gmail.com> Just a thought - should we provide a couple of bags of chips & some drinks? From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 20:59:42 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Sep 11 20:59:54 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: <2494ad260909110032q5b001794j4290f490dc01a806@mail.gmail.com> References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909110032q5b001794j4290f490dc01a806@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Kennedy Skelton wrote: > Just a thought - should we provide a couple of bags of chips & some drinks? That's kind of scary. I'm sure we'll be able to get something from around the place... From fkw at paradise.net.nz Fri Sep 11 11:58:02 2009 From: fkw at paradise.net.nz (Graeme Kiyoto-Ward) Date: Fri Sep 11 23:58:55 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in Schools - ideas.... Message-ID: <4AA9928A.1070009@paradise.net.nz> Hi I'm interested in finding out more about the 'Linux in schools' activities. I have two young girls who seem very happy on Linux (or whatever is running at the time). However, the school they go to seems to awfully proud of the amount they spend on IT (presumably of attention rather than money)... Regards Graeme Kiyoto-Ward From robin.paulson at gmail.com Sat Sep 12 00:03:17 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Sat Sep 12 00:03:26 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: <200909111656.54960.yorick_@openoffice.org> References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200909111318.47790.yorick_@openoffice.org> <4AA9AD44.8050101@catalyst.net.nz> <200909111656.54960.yorick_@openoffice.org> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770909110503r5b961858j3a7c86a190b1307f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/11 Graham Lauder : > I have Acroread on mine if needed. ugh, isn't this software freedom day? i'm not sure acroread qualifies From nevynh at gmail.com Sat Sep 12 00:09:24 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sat Sep 12 00:09:48 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in Schools - ideas.... In-Reply-To: <4AA9928A.1070009@paradise.net.nz> References: <4AA9928A.1070009@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Graeme Kiyoto-Ward wrote: > Hi > > I'm interested in finding out more about the 'Linux in schools' activities. > ?I have two young girls who seem very happy on Linux (or whatever is running > at the time). However, the school they go to seems to awfully proud of the > amount they spend on IT (presumably of attention rather than money)... > > Regards > > Graeme Kiyoto-Ward Unfortunately it's a very common affliction. I'm hoping to have the site ready by next week (for the Software Freedom Day events). I'm still working on design - would help if I had a logo. If you want a preview, have a look at points.org.nz The focus has shifted a bit away from I.T. and more towards the Open Source philosophy. Share the data.... From nevynh at gmail.com Sat Sep 12 02:37:59 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sat Sep 12 02:38:44 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in Schools - ideas.... In-Reply-To: References: <4AA9928A.1070009@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Nevyn wrote: > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Graeme Kiyoto-Ward > wrote: >> Hi >> >> I'm interested in finding out more about the 'Linux in schools' activities. >> ?I have two young girls who seem very happy on Linux (or whatever is running >> at the time). However, the school they go to seems to awfully proud of the >> amount they spend on IT (presumably of attention rather than money)... >> >> Regards >> >> Graeme Kiyoto-Ward > > Unfortunately it's a very common affliction. > > I'm hoping to have the site ready by next week (for the Software > Freedom Day events). I'm still working on design - would help if I had > a logo. > > If you want a preview, have a look at points.org.nz > > The focus has shifted a bit away from I.T. and more towards the Open > Source philosophy. Share the data.... Oh also, the mailing list is going too so feel free to join up and all of that. In fact, most of it's done except for some cleaning up of the wording and design (decided just tonight that I don't like how angular it is - could use rounded corners - and still haven't come up with a colour scheme that seems right). I've been getting a couple of people in the education sector to go over the wording - since they're the ones we've got to convince to participate in the community. From blakjak at blakjak.net Sat Sep 12 09:18:08 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Sat Sep 12 09:18:24 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in Schools - ideas.... In-Reply-To: References: <4AA9928A.1070009@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: > If you want a preview, have a look at points.org.nz I hope you intend to spellcheck the contents - manually or otherwise. (clasroom?) :-) From nevynh at gmail.com Sat Sep 12 09:44:41 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sat Sep 12 09:44:52 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in Schools - ideas.... In-Reply-To: References: <4AA9928A.1070009@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Mark Foster wrote: >> If you want a preview, have a look at points.org.nz > > I hope you intend to spellcheck the contents - manually or otherwise. > (clasroom?) :-) *ahem* :) There's still some work being done there. From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Sat Sep 12 14:07:51 2009 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (admin@ncearevision.co.nz) Date: Sat Sep 12 14:07:59 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Installing Lyx on an EeePC 701 Message-ID: <4AABAB37.26967.14D53F8@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> I would like to install Lyx on my EeePC 701 which is running Xandros. There seems to be little more than enough "disk" space to install it. I installed it on a computer which is running Linux Mint simply by using the package manager. The EeePC version of Xandros doesn't have such a facility so I tried entering "sudo apt-get install lyx" and got a message that it (lyx) couldn't be found. I looked at documentation of "apt-get" and it didn't help me. My familiarity with linux is only very basic. What should I do now? Don Johnston From nevynh at gmail.com Sat Sep 12 14:17:41 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sat Sep 12 14:17:51 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Installing Lyx on an EeePC 701 In-Reply-To: <4AABAB37.26967.14D53F8@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4AABAB37.26967.14D53F8@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 2:07 PM, wrote: > I would like to install Lyx on my EeePC 701 which is running Xandros. > There seems to be little more than enough "disk" space to install it. > I installed it on a computer which is running Linux Mint simply by > using the package manager. The EeePC version of Xandros doesn't have > such a facility so I tried entering "sudo apt-get install lyx" and > got a message that it (lyx) couldn't be found. I looked at > documentation of "apt-get" and it didn't help me. My familiarity with > linux is only very basic. What should I do now? > > Don Johnston Hi Don, Try: apt-cache search lyx There's always the chance it might not be in the repository... Regards, Nevyn. From robin.paulson at gmail.com Sat Sep 12 14:21:01 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Sat Sep 12 14:21:10 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Installing Lyx on an EeePC 701 In-Reply-To: <4AABAB37.26967.14D53F8@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4AABAB37.26967.14D53F8@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770909111921w1ee23fc1lecdeafbe5082f83d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/12 : > I would like to install Lyx on my EeePC 701 which is running Xandros. > There seems to be little more than enough "disk" space to install it. > I installed it on a computer which is running Linux Mint simply by > using the package manager. The EeePC version of Xandros doesn't have > such a facility so I tried entering "sudo apt-get install lyx" and > got a message that it (lyx) couldn't be found. I looked at > documentation of "apt-get" and it didn't help me. My familiarity with > linux is only very basic. What should I do now? it sounds like lyx is not in the repos for xandros i'm surprised there's no package manager for xandros though, to enable you to do a search with a gui or the package may be called something else, in which case use nevyn's suggestion if there's no package in the repos at all, you have two choices: 1. get a package from elsewhere and manually install it. 2. get a new os which does include it 1. is the easiest and usually successful, although you may end up in dependency hell From blakjak at blakjak.net Sat Sep 12 15:00:32 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Sat Sep 12 15:00:42 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Installing Lyx on an EeePC 701 In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770909111921w1ee23fc1lecdeafbe5082f83d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AABAB37.26967.14D53F8@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> <2f3aa2770909111921w1ee23fc1lecdeafbe5082f83d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > if there's no package in the repos at all, you have two choices: > 1. get a package from elsewhere and manually install it. > > 2. get a new os which does include it > > 1. is the easiest and usually successful, although you may end up in > dependency hell > http://www.geteasypeasy.com/ I can't recommend this enough; the Eee ship of Xandros has nothing on the distro formerly known as Ubuntu-eee. I dare say lyx will be an available package. Mark. From nevynh at gmail.com Sat Sep 12 15:55:35 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sat Sep 12 15:55:49 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in Schools - ideas.... In-Reply-To: References: <4AA9928A.1070009@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Nevyn wrote: > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Mark Foster wrote: >>> If you want a preview, have a look at points.org.nz >> >> I hope you intend to spellcheck the contents - manually or otherwise. >> (clasroom?) :-) > > ?*ahem* :) There's still some work being done there. I'm feeling a little happier about the blue grey theme - what do other's think? The rounded corners thing isn't going to happen (it takes all sorts of html and css to get it working and it feels counter to the intentions of csss) but I offset the navigation panel a little to try and make it look a tad less.... straight. From robin.paulson at gmail.com Sat Sep 12 16:44:18 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Sat Sep 12 16:44:36 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in Schools - ideas.... In-Reply-To: References: <4AA9928A.1070009@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770909112144r2e5d87aaoa0a2aeb78c81dc78@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/12 Nevyn : > I'm feeling a little happier about the blue grey theme - what do other's think? > > The rounded corners thing isn't going to happen (it takes all sorts of > html and css to get it working and it feels counter to the intentions > of csss) but I offset the navigation panel a little to try and make it > look a tad less.... straight. getting better. i'm a fan of the previous, rounded corners thing, but no matter some suggestions: a sans serif font - it's far easier on the eye. i think a lot of people don't understand the anti-spam thing you've done with the email address do you have email addresses set up under the same domain? it instils far more confidence in people than supplying a gmail address imo, the colours are the wrong way round - try the lighter one for the background, the darker one for the menu, and add a still darker block at the top of the menu, say around the top link, or around a title, like 'site navigation' or something a footer is a nice way of finishing off the page. some links for copyright, terms of service, etc. anything to visually frame the rest of the content have you tried asking on the nzlug and nzoss lists? there must be some web designers somewhere who you can tap? From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Sat Sep 12 16:58:02 2009 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (admin@ncearevision.co.nz) Date: Sat Sep 12 16:58:17 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux freezes continually Message-ID: <4AABD31A.21128.2B0C82@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> I installed Linux Mint 7 x64 dual bootable with Windows XP Professional. About 2 or 3 times per hour it freezes (i.e, no response to the keyboard or mouse), necessitating forced shut downs. Windows isn't having the same problem. Using a hard disk clone which I had made previously using RAID, I reinstalled Mint dual bootable with Windows. The same problem occurred. I have spare hard disks so I can experiment. Any suggestions would be appreciated. From blakjak at blakjak.net Sat Sep 12 17:10:31 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Sat Sep 12 17:10:46 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux freezes continually In-Reply-To: <4AABD31A.21128.2B0C82@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4AABD31A.21128.2B0C82@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: My first and overriding suggestion is to run an extensive test of your ram with memtest-x86 (it's probably on your linux install media). Full system freezes are almost inevitably hardware faults. Memtest doesnt run off your HD so it eliminates the hard disk as a potential issue - at least for long enough to prove the ram is good (or not). Other than that, check out /var/log/syslog and/or /var/log/messages and/or the output of 'dmesg' - look for events logged at the time the system freeze occurs, this may help illustrate a potential cause. If nothing is logged, it's almost garunteed to be hardware. Mark. On Sat, 12 Sep 2009, admin@ncearevision.co.nz wrote: > I installed Linux Mint 7 x64 dual bootable with Windows XP > Professional. About 2 or 3 times per hour it freezes (i.e, no > response to the keyboard or mouse), necessitating forced shut downs. > Windows isn't having the same problem. Using a hard disk clone which > I had made previously using RAID, I reinstalled Mint dual bootable > with Windows. The same problem occurred. I have spare hard disks so I > can experiment. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Sun Sep 13 09:26:09 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sun Sep 13 09:26:18 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux freezes continually In-Reply-To: References: <4AABD31A.21128.2B0C82@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Mark Foster wrote: > My first and overriding suggestion is to run an extensive test of your ram > with memtest-x86 (it's probably on your linux install media). > > Full system freezes are almost inevitably hardware faults. ?Memtest doesnt > run off your HD so it eliminates the hard disk as a potential issue - at > least for long enough to prove the ram is good (or not). > > Other than that, check out /var/log/syslog and/or /var/log/messages and/or > the output of 'dmesg' - look for events logged at the time the system freeze > occurs, this may help illustrate a potential cause. ?If nothing is logged, > it's almost garunteed to be hardware. > > Mark. 9 times out of 10 users experiencing crashes are experiencing X crashing and not the whole system (i.e. if you were to install opensshd you'd still be able to log in via ssh). To confirm this, next ime it crashes have a play with the sysrq magic keys (http://www.linuxhowtos.org/Tips%20and%20Tricks/sysrq.htm). If this is the case, it'll probably have something to do with video drivers.... Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Sun Sep 13 09:44:27 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sun Sep 13 09:44:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in Schools - ideas.... In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770909112144r2e5d87aaoa0a2aeb78c81dc78@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AA9928A.1070009@paradise.net.nz> <2f3aa2770909112144r2e5d87aaoa0a2aeb78c81dc78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Robin Paulson wrote: > > have you tried asking on the nzlug and nzoss lists? there must be some > web designers somewhere who you can tap? It's a time thing... The site will go up, if someone wants to improve on it, I'll set up the access. From john at og.co.nz Sun Sep 13 12:50:11 2009 From: john at og.co.nz (john) Date: Sun Sep 13 12:58:26 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Installing Lyx on an EeePC 701 In-Reply-To: <4AABAB37.26967.14D53F8@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4AABAB37.26967.14D53F8@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: <4AAC41C3.1060807@og.co.nz> admin@ncearevision.co.nz wrote: > I would like to install Lyx on my EeePC 701 which is running Xandros. > There seems to be little more than enough "disk" space to install it. > I installed it on a computer which is running Linux Mint simply by > using the package manager. The EeePC version of Xandros doesn't have > such a facility so I tried entering "sudo apt-get install lyx" and > got a message that it (lyx) couldn't be found. I looked at > documentation of "apt-get" and it didn't help me. My familiarity with > linux is only very basic. What should I do now? > Google for: lyx+eepc There is a thread which show how to install from Xandros repos using: sudo apt-get install lyx I think you have to set up the Andros repos first. (there is a link in the thread about how to do that). Incidentally, I rather like the interface for the EEEPC 701 which comes out of the box. Admittedly the Linux is a rather mutant stepchild of the Linux family, but the interface is simple and lean (much leaner in my view than GNOME or KDE). I taught my totally non-computer literate brother-in-law who is in his late 70's to use it in about an hour - just for browsing and email. He loves it. He is learning by just trying things now and loving it. I field a few phone-calls now and then but not many (maybe 1 or 2 per month), I don't think that would have been possible with MS Windows or KDE or GNOME Linuxes. John O'Gorman > Don Johnston > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > From kiirani at gmail.com Sun Sep 13 17:45:18 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Sun Sep 13 17:45:29 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux freezes continually In-Reply-To: <4AABD31A.21128.2B0C82@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4AABD31A.21128.2B0C82@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: <2494ad260909122245v1aae72e2w859340afcd3d6a9c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/12 : > I installed Linux Mint 7 x64 dual bootable with Windows XP > Professional. About 2 or 3 times per hour it freezes (i.e, no > response to the keyboard or mouse), necessitating forced shut downs. Do you get any graphical anomalies with the freezes? What are you doing when they happen? As mentioned before it could be graphical... I've seen machines where the entire display will lock up irrecoverably despite the actual system still responding via SSH... From kiirani at gmail.com Sun Sep 13 17:48:37 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Sun Sep 13 17:48:48 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in Schools - ideas.... In-Reply-To: References: <4AA9928A.1070009@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <2494ad260909122248r43adfbc5ka01c8a470da37c3a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/12 Nevyn : > The rounded corners thing isn't going to happen (it takes all sorts of > html and css to get it working and it feels counter to the intentions > of csss) but I offset the navigation panel a little to try and make it > look a tad less.... straight. Not to drag this thread off topic but I have a reasonably clean-coded little mockup of this from mid-2007 that you can play with if you'd like: http://kiirani.com/test/border-round.html From nevynh at gmail.com Sun Sep 13 18:06:48 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sun Sep 13 18:07:00 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in Schools - ideas.... In-Reply-To: <2494ad260909122248r43adfbc5ka01c8a470da37c3a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AA9928A.1070009@paradise.net.nz> <2494ad260909122248r43adfbc5ka01c8a470da37c3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Kennedy Skelton wrote: > 2009/9/12 Nevyn : >> The rounded corners thing isn't going to happen (it takes all sorts of >> html and css to get it working and it feels counter to the intentions >> of csss) but I offset the navigation panel a little to try and make it >> look a tad less.... straight. > > Not to drag this thread off topic but I have a reasonably clean-coded > little mockup of this from mid-2007 that you can play with if you'd > like: > http://kiirani.com/test/border-round.html Dragging on is a good thing. A bit of feedback... I could do it - I'm not going to. The problem for me is that css is about separating the formatting from the content. As soon as you start stuffing around with embedding tags just to get the formatting to work as you want it and those tags have no real relationship to the data, it just feels really counter intuitive. If of the impression that CSS was meant to get rid of the hack-ish feeling of website design... From robin.paulson at gmail.com Sun Sep 13 18:21:29 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Sun Sep 13 18:21:41 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in Schools - ideas.... In-Reply-To: References: <4AA9928A.1070009@paradise.net.nz> <2494ad260909122248r43adfbc5ka01c8a470da37c3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770909122321h211a80f6i60cee6d86035f9d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/13 Nevyn : > If of the impression that CSS was meant to get rid of the hack-ish > feeling of website design... ha. good luck with THAT i assume you've tested the site in ie6, ie7, ie8, ff2, ff3, opera, safari.....? the site's looking better now, the colour scheme is good. simple and clear, but not utterly bland From kiirani at gmail.com Sun Sep 13 18:27:59 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Sun Sep 13 18:28:09 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in Schools - ideas.... In-Reply-To: References: <4AA9928A.1070009@paradise.net.nz> <2494ad260909122248r43adfbc5ka01c8a470da37c3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2494ad260909122327u59a8d538p52804378c746d78a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/13 Nevyn : > On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Kennedy Skelton wrote: >> 2009/9/12 Nevyn : >>> The rounded corners thing isn't going to happen (it takes all sorts of >>> html and css to get it working and it feels counter to the intentions >>> of csss) but I offset the navigation panel a little to try and make it >>> look a tad less.... straight. >> >> Not to drag this thread off topic but I have a reasonably clean-coded >> little mockup of this from mid-2007 that you can play with if you'd >> like: >> http://kiirani.com/test/border-round.html > > Dragging on is a good thing. A bit of feedback... > > I could do it - I'm not going to. The problem for me is that css is > about separating the formatting from the content. As soon as you start > stuffing around with embedding tags just to get the formatting to work > as you want it and those tags have no real relationship to the data, > it just feels really counter intuitive. > > If of the impression that CSS was meant to get rid of the hack-ish > feeling of website design... I'm in full agreement with you, but I figure cleaning hacks like that up to look relatively tidy is better than letting people continue with something worse, and offering them around when they could be needed is just plain polite. :) Incidentally, the site seems to improve every time I look at it. Good job. From nevynh at gmail.com Sun Sep 13 22:40:32 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sun Sep 13 22:40:44 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in Schools - ideas.... In-Reply-To: <2494ad260909122327u59a8d538p52804378c746d78a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AA9928A.1070009@paradise.net.nz> <2494ad260909122248r43adfbc5ka01c8a470da37c3a@mail.gmail.com> <2494ad260909122327u59a8d538p52804378c746d78a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Kennedy Skelton wrote: > > I'm in full agreement with you, but I figure cleaning hacks like that > up to look relatively tidy is better than letting people continue with > something worse, and offering them around when they could be needed is > just plain polite. :) > Incidentally, the site seems to improve every time I look at it. Good job. It looks like the ccs 3 standard is going to offer you the option so I'm quite happy to wait until I don't have to do something not so hacky to get the effect. I haven't really tested with different browsers yet - konqueror doesn't seem to render the colours in the navigation or sponsor boxes but that's trivial as far as I'm concerned. It is a work in progress (although I need to stop very soon as I've got other things to worry about - promotion for SFD and writing a presentation and working on my confidence with the presentation etc.) so yeah - it's coming along well. Most of the common information is split off into their own files (making maintenance fairly simple). Has anyone looked at object vs. iframe tags? object is broken in I.E., iframes - the height doesn't behave as you'd expect in the gecko engine... It'd be good when these standards are finally all sorted out, implemented properly, and go far enough to abstract data from formatting... Regards, Nevyn. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Mon Sep 14 09:30:47 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Sep 14 09:30:56 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in Schools - ideas.... In-Reply-To: <4AA9928A.1070009@paradise.net.nz> References: <4AA9928A.1070009@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <677011.40927.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Graeme, Great to see you're fostering the next generation (there's a shortage of women in IT&Sciences, so we'd like to encourage their curiosity) Please feel free to come along, and to bring the girls too, to either, or both of the event. The Friday's event (Albany) will be more Kids/Edu-oriented, wheras the Sunday one will be more generic (with what seems to be an intro to robotics - Arduino) Hope to see you there - Jaco From apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz Mon Sep 14 12:06:57 2009 From: apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz (Aaron Pelly) Date: Mon Sep 14 12:07:13 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] KVM shutdown Message-ID: <01d901ca34cf$4738a650$d5a9f2f0$@co.nz> Hi, Does anyone know if KVM guests shutdown in an orderly fashion when the host shuts down? Aaron. Kiva - loans that change lives From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Mon Sep 14 12:10:50 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Sep 14 12:11:00 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] KVM shutdown In-Reply-To: <01d901ca34cf$4738a650$d5a9f2f0$@co.nz> References: <01d901ca34cf$4738a650$d5a9f2f0$@co.nz> Message-ID: <550057.22320.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Yes they do (provided that AHCI (?) works OK), though I've had problems when bouncing the host's NIC, or restarted either the KVM or libvirtd daemons. Still not quite perfect, but improving every day - J From apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz Mon Sep 14 12:25:50 2009 From: apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz (Aaron Pelly) Date: Mon Sep 14 12:26:05 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] KVM shutdown In-Reply-To: <550057.22320.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <01d901ca34cf$4738a650$d5a9f2f0$@co.nz> <550057.22320.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01e101ca34d1$ea3e6f90$bebb4eb0$@co.nz> > Yes they do (provided that AHCI (?) works OK), though I've had problems > when bouncing the host's NIC, or restarted either the KVM or libvirtd > daemons. > Still not quite perfect, but improving every day > Thanks. NICs have been a PITA for me too. Such is life. In that regard, Red Hat including KVM has to be a good thing. From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 12:26:57 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Sep 14 12:27:21 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD Promotional Drive.. Message-ID: Hi Guys, We've only got a week and almost no one knows about the events happening in Auckland! So, I think by the end of today we should have a couple of poster designs - aiming to have a couple as we're looking to appeal to our respective markets in specific ways (i.e. I'm going to go to the teachers training college and hang some around there in which case I've tried to have a "how Free software appeals to education). Is there anyone here who is willing to help out with this? All it'll be is printing out postings and putting up around the place. i.e. does anyone here go to Unitec or AUT? Workplace where people may be interested? etc. Regards, Nevyn. From vik at catalyst.net.nz Mon Sep 14 12:19:40 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Mon Sep 14 12:27:29 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AAD8C1C.506@catalyst.net.nz> On 11/09/09 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > WHEN? Friday 18 September 2009, 16:00 > WHAT? Focus on Schools, Edu, Parents, Teachers, Kids, including FLOSS > LAN party. Welcome to bring your laptop & join in the fun > WHERE? Albany Senior High School (http://ashs.school.nz/) > [http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-36.7458&lon=174.7185&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF] > OR > [http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Albany+Senior+High+School,+Auckland+0632&sll=-36.847385,174.765735&sspn=0.040524,0.082312&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FU-Lz_0daqdpCg&split=0&ll=-36.727672,174.695406&spn=0.020294,0.041156&z=15&iwloc=A] > FYI I'm in Welly for much of this week. I'll be arriving in Auckland at 4:20 pm if Jetstar actually run on time - the closest I could get without paying nasally. I'll have my own car at the airport, but it'll take me a while to get to Albany. Does anyone want to take a RepRap and a couple of OLPCs and set it up before I get there? Please don't schedule a presentation for me at the start! Vik :v) From justin at skull.co.nz Mon Sep 14 12:28:56 2009 From: justin at skull.co.nz (Justin Cook) Date: Mon Sep 14 12:29:06 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD Promotional Drive.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <93a52e0e0909131728o23d684aend4c3d3148e58ae16@mail.gmail.com> As always I'm happy to help out with designy things. 2009/9/14 Nevyn > Hi Guys, > > We've only got a week and almost no one knows about the events > happening in Auckland! > > So, I think by the end of today we should have a couple of poster > designs - aiming to have a couple as we're looking to appeal to our > respective markets in specific ways (i.e. I'm going to go to the > teachers training college and hang some around there in which case > I've tried to have a "how Free software appeals to education). > > Is there anyone here who is willing to help out with this? All it'll > be is printing out postings and putting up around the place. i.e. does > anyone here go to Unitec or AUT? Workplace where people may be > interested? etc. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 12:29:53 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Sep 14 12:30:05 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: <4AAD8C1C.506@catalyst.net.nz> References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAD8C1C.506@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Vik Olliver wrote: > On 11/09/09 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >> WHEN? Friday 18 September 2009, 16:00 >> WHAT? Focus on Schools, Edu, Parents, Teachers, Kids, including FLOSS >> LAN party. Welcome to bring your laptop & join in the fun >> WHERE? Albany Senior High School (http://ashs.school.nz/) >> [http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-36.7458&lon=174.7185&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF] >> OR >> [http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Albany+Senior+High+School,+Auckland+0632&sll=-36.847385,174.765735&sspn=0.040524,0.082312&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FU-Lz_0daqdpCg&split=0&ll=-36.727672,174.695406&spn=0.020294,0.041156&z=15&iwloc=A] >> > > FYI I'm in Welly for much of this week. I'll be arriving in Auckland at > 4:20 pm if Jetstar actually run on time - the closest I could get > without paying nasally. I'll have my own car at the airport, but it'll > take me a while to get to Albany. > > Does anyone want to take a RepRap and a couple of OLPCs and set it up > before I get there? > > Please don't schedule a presentation for me at the start! > > Vik :v) When do you leave for Wellington? I should have a better idea of how I'm getting there by tonight hopefully so I may be able to sort this one out.. Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 12:39:31 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Sep 14 12:39:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD Promotional Drive.. In-Reply-To: <93a52e0e0909131728o23d684aend4c3d3148e58ae16@mail.gmail.com> References: <93a52e0e0909131728o23d684aend4c3d3148e58ae16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Justin Cook wrote: > As always I'm happy to help out with designy things. Hi Justin, The one I came up with last night for teachers training college can be found here: points.org.nz/SFD (I'm enjoying having a VPS entirely too much) I think Tony (on the list as Antonio) is doing another one in collaboration with someone else targetted for Uni students. Regards, Nevyn. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Mon Sep 14 12:40:26 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Sep 14 12:40:36 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] KVM shutdown In-Reply-To: <01e101ca34d1$ea3e6f90$bebb4eb0$@co.nz> References: <01d901ca34cf$4738a650$d5a9f2f0$@co.nz> <550057.22320.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <01e101ca34d1$ea3e6f90$bebb4eb0$@co.nz> Message-ID: <647341.75503.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I've recently switched my VM host to Fedora (11) from Ubuntu & planning to use Ubuntu clients. Unfortunately, my RPM skillz are not all that mad, so I'm feeling my way through. I think I broke my system (again) this weekend; following the guide (http://www.howtoforge.org/virtualization-with-kvm-on-a-fedora-11-server), I ended up with a series of "Kernel Panic" messages (Linux equivalend of BSoD. HEAPS o' fun!). Reason I never made it to the eDay... At any rate, KVM & performance on F11 is pretty snappy, and RHEL has some really phenominal VM management tools, so I'll persevere. It's just going to be a steep learning-curve, again, since I've not touched an RPM system in quite a few years (since Edgy/Feisty or so). ...just made me realize what an absolute dream Ubuntu is to drive From justin at skull.co.nz Mon Sep 14 12:45:02 2009 From: justin at skull.co.nz (Justin Cook) Date: Mon Sep 14 12:45:13 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD Promotional Drive.. In-Reply-To: References: <93a52e0e0909131728o23d684aend4c3d3148e58ae16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <93a52e0e0909131745t40fc8236saba0d0c10c782dd8@mail.gmail.com> So, black and white all the way or do you want something that looks nice? ;) 2009/9/14 Nevyn > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Justin Cook wrote: > > As always I'm happy to help out with designy things. > > Hi Justin, > > The one I came up with last night for teachers training college can be > found here: > points.org.nz/SFD > (I'm enjoying having a VPS entirely too much) > > I think Tony (on the list as Antonio) is doing another one in > collaboration with someone else targetted for Uni students. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 12:52:07 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Sep 14 12:52:16 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD Promotional Drive.. In-Reply-To: <93a52e0e0909131745t40fc8236saba0d0c10c782dd8@mail.gmail.com> References: <93a52e0e0909131728o23d684aend4c3d3148e58ae16@mail.gmail.com> <93a52e0e0909131745t40fc8236saba0d0c10c782dd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Justin Cook wrote: > So, black and white all the way or do you want something that looks nice? ;) Ha! It wasn't so much a case of endorsing black and white.. it was more a case of working what I've got - i.e. a black and white printer and no money to be able to do colour prints. So cheap all the way cause that's how we roll in this hood... (and to think, I haven't worn a hood for years) From vik at catalyst.net.nz Mon Sep 14 12:54:48 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Mon Sep 14 12:54:57 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD Promotional Drive.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AAD9458.705@catalyst.net.nz> Uni is closed for the break. I will quiz my locally accessible stoodents.. Vik :v) From vik at catalyst.net.nz Mon Sep 14 12:55:25 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Mon Sep 14 12:55:33 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - The final stretch In-Reply-To: References: <598429.89354.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAD8C1C.506@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <4AAD947D.80001@catalyst.net.nz> On 14/09/09 Nevyn wrote: > When do you leave for Wellington? I should have a better idea of how > I'm getting there by tonight hopefully so I may be able to sort this > one out.. Wednesday morning. Vik :v) From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 12:57:11 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Sep 14 12:57:20 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] KVM shutdown In-Reply-To: <647341.75503.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <01d901ca34cf$4738a650$d5a9f2f0$@co.nz> <550057.22320.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <01e101ca34d1$ea3e6f90$bebb4eb0$@co.nz> <647341.75503.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > I've recently switched my VM host to Fedora (11) from Ubuntu & planning to use Ubuntu clients. > Unfortunately, my RPM skillz are not all that mad, so I'm feeling my way through. > I think I broke my system (again) this weekend; following the guide (http://www.howtoforge.org/virtualization-with-kvm-on-a-fedora-11-server), I ended up with a series of "Kernel Panic" messages (Linux equivalend of BSoD. HEAPS o' fun!). Reason I never made it to the eDay... > > At any rate, KVM & performance on F11 is pretty snappy, and RHEL has some really phenominal VM management tools, so I'll persevere. > It's just going to be a steep learning-curve, again, since I've not touched an RPM system in quite a few years (since Edgy/Feisty or so). > > ...just made me realize what an absolute dream Ubuntu is to drive Never minded rpm quite so much as yum (and was delighted when I discovered apt-get for rpm based systems). I just never made the switch to Fedora... I don't think it was about the "superiorness" of Debian. Back then I was always irritated that X wouldn't work out of the box. On that same token, I had also realised that I expected far more out of a Linux installation than I did for a Windows installation. i.e. in WIndows, if something didn't work, I'd work around it. Such as putting in a PCI video card to do an installation. In Linux, I expected it to work and if it didn't, I didn't so much work around it as much as had a go at fixing it. Regards, Nevyn. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Mon Sep 14 12:58:03 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Sep 14 12:58:12 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD Promotional Drive.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <387990.43168.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> This just in! http://aucklandsfd2009.blogspot.com/ Quick & dirty, but at least it's a reference - J From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 12:58:05 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Sep 14 12:58:14 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD Promotional Drive.. In-Reply-To: <4AAD9458.705@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4AAD9458.705@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Vik Olliver wrote: > Uni is closed for the break. I will quiz my locally accessible stoodents.. > > Vik :v) Grr... I keep forgetting that... Students get breaks. The rest of us just get redundancies ;) From daniel at rimspace.net Mon Sep 14 13:17:25 2009 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Mon Sep 14 13:17:42 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] KVM shutdown In-Reply-To: <01d901ca34cf$4738a650$d5a9f2f0$@co.nz> (Aaron Pelly's message of "Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:06:57 +1200") References: <01d901ca34cf$4738a650$d5a9f2f0$@co.nz> Message-ID: <871vmajpei.fsf@rimspace.net> "Aaron Pelly" writes: > Does anyone know if KVM guests shutdown in an orderly fashion when the host > shuts down? It depends. Since you mention RedHat later, I presume you are running under libvirt, in which case it does, provided the guest recognises an ACPI power button and shuts down cleanly ? or you configure libvirt to suspend rather than shut down the system. Regards, Daniel -- ? Daniel Pittman ? daniel@rimspace.net ? +61 401 155 707 ? made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons Looking for work? Love Perl? In Melbourne, Australia? We are hiring. From toniosm at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 17:57:30 2009 From: toniosm at gmail.com (Antonio San Miguel) Date: Mon Sep 14 17:57:41 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD Promotional Drive.. In-Reply-To: References: <93a52e0e0909131728o23d684aend4c3d3148e58ae16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99ab0c040909132257r336c86a9g8ab8e148ffc7e7fa@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Nevyn wrote: > > I think Tony (on the list as Antonio) is doing another one in > collaboration with someone else targetted for Uni students. > > Herewe go. It's up on the Auckland SFD blog. Hopefully it isn't that bad. Credit goes to Kennedy for the concept. From kiirani at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 17:58:55 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Mon Sep 14 17:59:03 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD Promotional Drive.. In-Reply-To: <99ab0c040909132257r336c86a9g8ab8e148ffc7e7fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <93a52e0e0909131728o23d684aend4c3d3148e58ae16@mail.gmail.com> <99ab0c040909132257r336c86a9g8ab8e148ffc7e7fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2494ad260909132258s409225g2e4d793e9df82ec0@mail.gmail.com> Uh. Can we change the fonts back to match the sfd logo before it goes live? :P 2009/9/14 Antonio San Miguel : > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Nevyn wrote: > >> >> I think Tony (on the list as Antonio) is doing another one in >> collaboration with someone else targetted for Uni students. >> >> Herewe go. > > It's up on the Auckland SFD blog. Hopefully it isn't that bad. Credit goes > to Kennedy for the concept. > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 18:09:13 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Sep 14 18:09:22 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD Promotional Drive.. In-Reply-To: <2494ad260909132258s409225g2e4d793e9df82ec0@mail.gmail.com> References: <93a52e0e0909131728o23d684aend4c3d3148e58ae16@mail.gmail.com> <99ab0c040909132257r336c86a9g8ab8e148ffc7e7fa@mail.gmail.com> <2494ad260909132258s409225g2e4d793e9df82ec0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Kennedy Skelton wrote: > Uh. Can we change the fonts back to match the sfd logo before it goes live? :P I'd think of this more as a University of Auckland LUG poster - just on the basis that it doesn't do anything to address the Albany event at all. AuckLUG is involved in both... From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 16:59:58 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Sep 15 17:00:12 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers Message-ID: Hi Guys, I'm just checking to see what sort of numbers we've got for volunteers on Sunday. This can be really simple stuff like greeting people at the door (or just outside the door directing 'em in) or showing off demo machines etc. We have LOADS of room so if you want to demo your machine (or get your kids to sit in front of one demoing their use of a Linux box) or whatever, just let us know. As we're going to be doing stuff with Arduino's, having someone wonder around helping anyone who's stuck would be a plus. Grabbing lost people and finding out what they're interested in and directing them to the right person to talk to etc. Being avaliable to talk about the philosophies of FOSS. I'm still considering doing another presentation - why Proprietary software is bad for business. If anyone has anything they think they can present - and remember, you'll be talking to a mostly non-technical audience so you need not get into the technical side of things too much, then let us know. I can almost smell the finish line.. Regards, Nevyn. From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 18:25:22 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Sep 15 18:25:37 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/15 Nevyn : > I'm just checking to see what sort of numbers we've got for volunteers > on Sunday. This can be really simple stuff like greeting people at the yeah, i'm in for helping. no presentations or talking to any big groups...that won't go so well. i'm happy to help demoing or answering questions about any free software/free hardware/free data/proprietary software/anything relevant i can bring along my openmoko of course, and talk about openstreetmap if there's any map geeks turn up From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 15 18:29:46 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Sep 15 18:29:55 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Sweet! That's perfect. I see from Tim's site (mindkits) that they're getting in GPS-equipped Arduino's... - J From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 18:30:09 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Sep 15 18:30:19 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD Promotional Drive.. In-Reply-To: References: <4AAD9458.705@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770909142330y4ee9ccd5v43c3fe01210c6eb0@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/14 Nevyn : > Grr... I keep forgetting that... Students get breaks. The rest of us > just get redundancies ;) lectures started again yesterday. i was there! From zed at zed.net.nz Tue Sep 15 19:41:31 2009 From: zed at zed.net.nz (zed) Date: Tue Sep 15 19:41:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] MySQL help wanted... Message-ID: Way back in July I sought help with a program named VetTux, which required MySQL. Firstly I couldn't get MySQL to work and then failed to get the VetTux database to run. Thanks to Michel Ludvig, Nevyn and Juan I did get MySQL up and running but failed miserably with VetTux. So I then entered into email correspondence with the person who wrote VetTux. He admitted that the program did not always run successfully on Ubuntu or Ubuntu derivatives and suggested several command line entries I should make to resolve the problem. Regrettably, none of them were successful. I advised him of the fact but haven't had a reply to my last email of 4th August. So, at present, I have given up trying to get the program to work but may come back to it later. Regards Zed -- zed From r.carter at cs.auckland.ac.nz Wed Sep 16 07:32:41 2009 From: r.carter at cs.auckland.ac.nz (Robert Carter) Date: Wed Sep 16 07:32:58 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'll be there just before 10 to open up if necessary. Here is my cell contact if needed: 021 421 129 Rob On 15/09/2009, at 6:29 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Sweet! That's perfect. > > I see from Tim's site (mindkits) that they're getting in GPS- > equipped Arduino's... > > > - J > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Sep 16 08:23:00 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Sep 16 08:23:12 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> Just wondering: This isn't going to be all-male is it? Vik :v) From zed at zed.net.nz Wed Sep 16 09:37:19 2009 From: zed at zed.net.nz (zed) Date: Wed Sep 16 09:37:36 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Wireless router,,, Message-ID: I have an elderly friend who has just purchased a 17" Toshiba laptop - sorry, I don't know the model number. She wishes to access the internet through a wireless router but has been told that she needs to go through her desktop CPU and then to her laptop. This sounds absolutely crazy to me, so I seek your advice. Unfortunately she is not using Linux and, even if she was, I am an absolute dunderhead as far as wifi is concerned, so cannot offer her any help. Is there someone on the list who can give me simple instructions, which I can pass on to my daughter, to get her set up with wireless internet. Regards Zed -- zed From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 10:03:28 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Sep 16 10:03:37 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Wireless router,,, In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:37 AM, zed wrote: > I have an elderly friend who has just purchased a 17" Toshiba laptop - > sorry, I don't know the model number. > > She wishes to access the internet through a wireless router but has been > told that she needs to go through her desktop CPU and then to her laptop. > This sounds absolutely crazy to me, so I seek your advice. > > Unfortunately she is not using Linux and, even if she was, I am an absolute > dunderhead as far as wifi is concerned, so cannot offer her any help. > > Is there someone on the list who can give me simple instructions, which I > can pass on to my daughter, to get her set up with wireless internet. > > Regards > > Zed Hi Zed, It sounds like, what she's trying to set up, is her internal? wireless card. i.e. she must set that up on her laptop before she can connect to the router. It's all the same to her. She wants wireless networking but doesn't see it as seperate parts. As for giving instructions.... for what?!? We'd need to know the OS at the very least... Regards, Nevyn. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 16 12:18:14 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Sep 16 12:18:24 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <405470.56363.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Not if I can help it! I've volunteered my partner to give some moral support; at least for a bit - J From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 12:27:52 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Sep 16 12:28:02 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <405470.56363.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> <405470.56363.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Not if I can help it! > > I've volunteered my partner to give some moral support; at least for a bit > > > - J Oh good... I'm going to need all the moral support I can get :) From zed at zed.net.nz Wed Sep 16 12:39:31 2009 From: zed at zed.net.nz (zed) Date: Wed Sep 16 12:39:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Wireless router,,, In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nevyn wrote: > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:37 AM, zed wrote: > > I have an elderly friend who has just purchased a 17" Toshiba laptop - > > sorry, I don't know the model number. > > > > She wishes to access the internet through a wireless router but has been > > told that she needs to go through her desktop CPU and then to her > > laptop. This sounds absolutely crazy to me, so I seek your advice. > > > > Unfortunately she is not using Linux and, even if she was, I am an > > absolute dunderhead as far as wifi is concerned, so cannot offer her any > > help. > > > > Is there someone on the list who can give me simple instructions, which > > I can pass on to my daughter, to get her set up with wireless internet. > > > > Regards > > > > Zed > > Hi Zed, > > It sounds like, what she's trying to set up, is her internal? wireless > card. i.e. she must set that up on her laptop before she can connect to > the router. It's all the same to her. She wants wireless networking but > doesn't see it as seperate parts. > > As for giving instructions.... for what?!? We'd need to know the OS at the > very least... Thanks for your prompt reply, Nevyn. I'll try and get over to her place and find out the details. Watch this spsce! Zed -- zed From subscribed at gnuzealand.com Wed Sep 16 12:41:19 2009 From: subscribed at gnuzealand.com (Bruce Clement) Date: Wed Sep 16 12:41:30 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Wireless router,,, In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9da4db1f0909151741p5bebb6bcn6b2956d75e5954f3@mail.gmail.com> I'm not sure if this is the same issue, but our adsl modem with wireless router shipped with the wireless disabled and it was necessary to connect in through wired ethernet to enable it from the control interface. On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:37 AM, zed wrote: > ... > She wishes to access the internet through a wireless router but has been > told that she needs to go through her desktop CPU and then to her laptop. > This sounds absolutely crazy to me, so I seek your advice. > ... > -- Bruce Clement From kiirani at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 13:30:23 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Wed Sep 16 13:30:31 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/16 Vik Olliver : > Just wondering: This isn't going to be all-male is it? > > Vik :v) Uh. I'm a girl.... From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 16 13:43:07 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Sep 16 13:43:16 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <313033.93668.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >Uh. I'm a girl.... Girls/women in the game (& sciences) are few & far between, but it's gradually changing, and the image of the average nerd/geek becomes a bit less...weird (of course comments like RMS's recent blurb is not helping any) Are you a member of linuxchix.org.nz? Any idea if they want some sort repesentation at the event(s) - J From apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz Wed Sep 16 15:51:16 2009 From: apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz (Aaron Pelly) Date: Wed Sep 16 15:51:32 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <313033.93668.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> <313033.93668.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <027201ca3680$f1a9c7b0$d4fd5710$@co.nz> > Are you a member of linuxchix.org.nz Oh please, Please, PLEASE tell me that's a dating portal. From daniel at rimspace.net Wed Sep 16 16:06:10 2009 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Wed Sep 16 16:06:41 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <027201ca3680$f1a9c7b0$d4fd5710$@co.nz> (Aaron Pelly's message of "Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:51:16 +1200") References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> <313033.93668.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <027201ca3680$f1a9c7b0$d4fd5710$@co.nz> Message-ID: <87r5u75ya5.fsf@rimspace.net> "Aaron Pelly" writes: >> Are you a member of linuxchix.org.nz > > Oh please, Please, PLEASE tell me that's a dating portal. No, it is the local arm of an international group dedicated to promoting the involvement of women in FOSS and Linux. What made you think it was a dating service of any kind? Daniel -- ? Daniel Pittman ? daniel@rimspace.net ? +61 401 155 707 ? made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons Looking for work? Love Perl? In Melbourne, Australia? We are hiring. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 16 16:22:16 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Sep 16 16:22:28 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <027201ca3680$f1a9c7b0$d4fd5710$@co.nz> References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> <313033.93668.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <027201ca3680$f1a9c7b0$d4fd5710$@co.nz> Message-ID: <19439.34618.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Oh please, Please, PLEASE tell me that's a dating portal. Truth be told, when I first saw the name, I also though it was a pretty novel idea for a "dating site", but then I actually read a bit more, I saw that it's intent was a bit deeper than a puddle of mud. Women in Sciences is fairly serious business, in IT even more so, and once you start looking at how many women there are in FLOSS in general, well, I've seen more teeth on chickens than "Chix in Linux". So, it's hats off from me if there are any women out there with the nerve & the smarts to play in this field As the site notes: "LinuxChix NZ is a community for women who like Linux, and for women and men who want to support women in computing", but I see that is not been very active as of late (last post's been a while back) Suppose everyone's moves on to greener pastures. - J From apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz Wed Sep 16 16:25:48 2009 From: apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz (Aaron Pelly) Date: Wed Sep 16 16:26:03 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <87r5u75ya5.fsf@rimspace.net> References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> <313033.93668.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <027201ca3680$f1a9c7b0$d4fd5710$@co.nz> <87r5u75ya5.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: <027c01ca3685$c4bef680$4e3ce380$@co.nz> > >> Are you a member of linuxchix.org.nz > > > > Oh please, Please, PLEASE tell me that's a dating portal. > > No, it is the local arm of an international group dedicated to promoting > the > involvement of women in FOSS and Linux. What made you think it was a > dating > service of any kind? Blind hope :\ From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Sep 16 16:38:05 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Sep 16 16:38:22 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AB06BAD.9030906@catalyst.net.nz> On 16/09/09 Kennedy Skelton wrote: > 2009/9/16 Vik Olliver : > > > Just wondering: This isn't going to be all-male is it? > > > > > > Vik :v) > > Uh. I'm a girl.... Good. Someone has to keep these reprobates in line :) Vik :v) From kiirani at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 17:17:35 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Wed Sep 16 17:17:45 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <19439.34618.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> <313033.93668.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <027201ca3680$f1a9c7b0$d4fd5710$@co.nz> <19439.34618.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2494ad260909152217i688b22cahb26543559d3d335@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/16 Jaco van der Merwe : > So, it's hats off from me if there are any women out there with the nerve & the smarts to play in this field I don't know whether to be flattered, or indignant on behalf of my entire gender. :\ From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Sep 16 17:26:28 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Sep 16 17:26:39 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <2494ad260909152217i688b22cahb26543559d3d335@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> <313033.93668.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <027201ca3680$f1a9c7b0$d4fd5710$@co.nz> <19439.34618.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909152217i688b22cahb26543559d3d335@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AB07704.1020108@catalyst.net.nz> On 16/09/09 Kennedy Skelton wrote: > I don't know whether to be flattered, or indignant on behalf of my > entire gender. :\ Yeah, I feel that way sometimes... usually it's embarassment though. Vik :v) From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 17:29:45 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Sep 16 17:29:53 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <2494ad260909152217i688b22cahb26543559d3d335@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> <313033.93668.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <027201ca3680$f1a9c7b0$d4fd5710$@co.nz> <19439.34618.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909152217i688b22cahb26543559d3d335@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Kennedy Skelton wrote: > 2009/9/16 Jaco van der Merwe : >> So, it's hats off from me if there are any women out there with the nerve & the smarts to play in this field > > I don't know whether to be flattered, or indignant on behalf of my > entire gender. :\ It's the apology to the entire gender that I'm looking forward to. I've always found this sort of movement a little... odd. Is it really that much of a rarity that attention has to be brought to it? How about highlighting some of the inappropriateness experienced by females in the society? Mumble about my gender learning tact if they knew when they'd be tackless mumble mumble.. In saying that, I can't help but be impressed by your sense of humor Aaron. From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 17:31:08 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Sep 16 17:31:16 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Wireless router,,, In-Reply-To: <9da4db1f0909151741p5bebb6bcn6b2956d75e5954f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <9da4db1f0909151741p5bebb6bcn6b2956d75e5954f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: That makes sense. In fact, this would be fairly standard. I'm sure I did the same. WIthout knowing the details, wireless was a lost cause. On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Bruce Clement wrote: > I'm not sure if this is the same issue, but our adsl modem with wireless > router shipped with the wireless disabled and it was necessary to connect in > through wired ethernet to enable it from the control interface. > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:37 AM, zed wrote: > >> ... >> She wishes to access the internet through a wireless router but has been >> told that she needs to go through her desktop CPU and then to her laptop. >> This sounds absolutely crazy to me, so I seek your advice. >> ... >> > > > > -- > Bruce Clement > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 16 17:36:24 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Sep 16 17:36:34 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <2494ad260909152217i688b22cahb26543559d3d335@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> <313033.93668.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <027201ca3680$f1a9c7b0$d4fd5710$@co.nz> <19439.34618.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909152217i688b22cahb26543559d3d335@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <521480.83460.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >I don't know whether to be flattered, or indignant on behalf of my >entire gender. :\ Please feel flatered; it's intended as a compliment, and I would encourage the fairer half to get more involved in the Sciences, since there such a huge shortage of skilled individuals. The niche is typified by beards & bellies, and without more diversity, it'll be a tricky stereotype to shake - J From kiirani at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 17:44:50 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Wed Sep 16 17:44:58 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <521480.83460.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> <313033.93668.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <027201ca3680$f1a9c7b0$d4fd5710$@co.nz> <19439.34618.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909152217i688b22cahb26543559d3d335@mail.gmail.com> <521480.83460.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2494ad260909152244v4b6afa15x2855d5cdf716abfc@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/16 Jaco van der Merwe : >>I don't know whether to be flattered, or indignant on behalf of my >>entire gender. :\ > > Please feel flatered; it's intended as a compliment, and I would encourage the fairer half to get more involved in the Sciences, since there such a huge shortage of skilled individuals. Ah I see! So shouldn't it be hats off to anybody - men included - with the nerve & smarts to play in this field? :P From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 17:53:08 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Sep 16 17:53:16 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <521480.83460.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> <313033.93668.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <027201ca3680$f1a9c7b0$d4fd5710$@co.nz> <19439.34618.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909152217i688b22cahb26543559d3d335@mail.gmail.com> <521480.83460.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >>I don't know whether to be flattered, or indignant on behalf of my >>entire gender. :\ > > Please feel flatered; it's intended as a compliment, and I would encourage the fairer half to get more involved in the Sciences, since there such a huge shortage of skilled individuals. > The niche is typified by beards & bellies, and without more diversity, it'll be a tricky stereotype to shake > > - J As someone with a beard and belly... I'm wondering if I should be indignant... From daniel at rimspace.net Wed Sep 16 17:54:09 2009 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Wed Sep 16 17:54:24 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: (Nevyn's message of "Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:29:45 +1200") References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> <313033.93668.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <027201ca3680$f1a9c7b0$d4fd5710$@co.nz> <19439.34618.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909152217i688b22cahb26543559d3d335@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87ab0v5ta6.fsf@rimspace.net> Nevyn writes: > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Kennedy Skelton wrote: >> 2009/9/16 Jaco van der Merwe : >>> So, it's hats off from me if there are any women out there with the nerve >>> & the smarts to play in this field >> >> I don't know whether to be flattered, or indignant on behalf of my >> entire gender. :\ > > It's the apology to the entire gender that I'm looking forward to. > > I've always found this sort of movement a little... odd. Is it really > that much of a rarity that attention has to be brought to it? The involvement of women in FOSS and Linux? That is /such/ a hard question, but my view is that, yes, it does need recognition. The stats that Skud highlights in her OSCON keynote are, to me, shameful: http://infotrope.net/blog/2009/07/25/standing-out-in-the-crowd-my-oscon-keynote/ Having an involvement level for women of somewhere between 1.5 and 5 percent is terrible, even when compared to the shamefully low levels in IT (and the sciences) generally, where it runs as high as a whole 30 percent. I think, although this is debated, that drawing attention to this, and to the presence of women in the field in a sensible and appropriate[1] fashion is a good thing to do. In part, I think this is especially important because it is easy for people to forget that there *are* women already involved in the fact that there are so few women involved. Daniel Footnotes: [1] eg: not the "ZOMG! COMMITTERS WITH BEWBS!" that has shown up elsewhere when the topic came up and/or people noticed a woman making contributions. -- ? Daniel Pittman ? daniel@rimspace.net ? +61 401 155 707 ? made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons Looking for work? Love Perl? In Melbourne, Australia? We are hiring. From kiirani at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 17:55:00 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Wed Sep 16 17:55:09 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> <313033.93668.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <027201ca3680$f1a9c7b0$d4fd5710$@co.nz> <19439.34618.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909152217i688b22cahb26543559d3d335@mail.gmail.com> <521480.83460.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2494ad260909152255r21ab110bx23308b00627b6e6b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/16 Nevyn : > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Jaco van der Merwe > wrote: >>>I don't know whether to be flattered, or indignant on behalf of my >>>entire gender. :\ >> >> Please feel flatered; it's intended as a compliment, and I would encourage the fairer half to get more involved in the Sciences, since there such a huge shortage of skilled individuals. >> The niche is typified by beards & bellies, and without more diversity, it'll be a tricky stereotype to shake >> >> - J > > As someone with a beard and belly... I'm wondering if I should be indignant... Bellied and bearded people just aren't as special. Nyer Nyer. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 16 17:57:10 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Sep 16 17:57:18 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <2494ad260909152244v4b6afa15x2855d5cdf716abfc@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> <313033.93668.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <027201ca3680$f1a9c7b0$d4fd5710$@co.nz> <19439.34618.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909152217i688b22cahb26543559d3d335@mail.gmail.com> <521480.83460.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909152244v4b6afa15x2855d5cdf716abfc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <376241.82549.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > hats off to anybody - men included - with > the nerve & smarts to play in this field? :P Toot sweet! So true... Which is another reason why we're having the earlier event; to try & approach kids @ school & encourage them ALL, boys & girls alike, to play with this stuff, and to have fun while they're doing it From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 17:59:21 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Sep 16 17:59:30 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <2494ad260909152255r21ab110bx23308b00627b6e6b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> <313033.93668.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <027201ca3680$f1a9c7b0$d4fd5710$@co.nz> <19439.34618.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909152217i688b22cahb26543559d3d335@mail.gmail.com> <521480.83460.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909152255r21ab110bx23308b00627b6e6b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Kennedy Skelton wrote: > > Bellied and bearded people just aren't as special. Nyer Nyer. Oh I'm specail... I'm just not sure if it's in a positive or negative way :/ Are you coming to SFD Kennedy? From zed at zed.net.nz Wed Sep 16 18:07:47 2009 From: zed at zed.net.nz (zed) Date: Wed Sep 16 18:07:56 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Wireless router,,, In-Reply-To: <9da4db1f0909151741p5bebb6bcn6b2956d75e5954f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <9da4db1f0909151741p5bebb6bcn6b2956d75e5954f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:37 AM, zed wrote: > > ... She wishes to access the internet through a wireless router but has > been told that she needs to go through her desktop CPU and then to her > laptop. This sounds absolutely crazy to me, so I seek your advice. ... > >> Bruce Clement wrote: > >I'm not sure if this is the same issue, but our adsl modem with wireless > >router shipped with the wireless disabled and it was necessary to connect > >in through wired ethernet to enable it from the control interface. Was it "once set up dispense with the wired ethernet" or did the cable have to be connected all the time? If the latter, it defeats the purpose of a wireless connection, surely! Zed -- zed From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 18:15:49 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Sep 16 18:15:57 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Wireless router,,, In-Reply-To: References: <9da4db1f0909151741p5bebb6bcn6b2956d75e5954f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 6:07 PM, zed wrote: > > Was it "once set up dispense with the wired ethernet" or did the cable have > to be connected all the time? ?If the latter, it defeats the purpose of a > wireless connection, surely! > > Zed Definitely a set it up once sort of deal. From apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz Wed Sep 16 19:19:13 2009 From: apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz (Aaron Pelly) Date: Wed Sep 16 19:19:26 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <87ab0v5ta6.fsf@rimspace.net> References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> <313033.93668.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <027201ca3680$f1a9c7b0$d4fd5710$@co.nz> <19439.34618.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909152217i688b22cahb26543559d3d335@mail.gmail.com> <87ab0v5ta6.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: <028301ca369d$fe43c4e0$facb4ea0$@co.nz> > The involvement of women in FOSS and Linux? That is /such/ a hard > question, > but my view is that, yes, it does need recognition. The stats that Skud > highlights in her OSCON keynote are, to me, shameful: > > http://infotrope.net/blog/2009/07/25/standing-out-in-the-crowd-my-oscon- > keynote/ > > Having an involvement level for women of somewhere between 1.5 and 5 > percent > is terrible, even when compared to the shamefully low levels in IT (and > the > sciences) generally, where it runs as high as a whole 30 percent. Personally I don't give a damn about the statistics. What I do care about is making sure everybody gets to choose a field that interests them, and further, that they are given every opportunity to excel. Who am I to tell women to brush up on their *nix skills? I am sometimes annoyed by the strangers who are driven to encourage men to take up teaching. Teaching is a career with a female gender bias and, also, I have no interest in taking it up. It occurs to me that most women just _don't want_ to work in IT. Good for them I say! (FWIW, most men don't want to work in IT either) I can only imagine how annoying it must be for women to be perpetually told they must be doing something they don't like just because there is a gender imbalance. Be a mechanic, join the navy, be a truck driver, be a plumber, be a fireman... You go be whatever you want ladies and gentlemen, and may your careers be long and prosperous! /rant From kiirani at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 20:41:15 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Wed Sep 16 20:41:25 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> <313033.93668.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <027201ca3680$f1a9c7b0$d4fd5710$@co.nz> <19439.34618.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909152217i688b22cahb26543559d3d335@mail.gmail.com> <521480.83460.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909152255r21ab110bx23308b00627b6e6b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2494ad260909160141n7836d2f9m9a76b44f58ae6e77@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/16 Nevyn : > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Kennedy Skelton wrote: >> >> Bellied and bearded people just aren't as special. Nyer Nyer. > > Oh I'm specail... I'm just not sure if it's in a positive or negative way :/ > > Are you coming to SFD Kennedy? Yep I am. I'll be bringing my laptop as a demo machine but it may well do more harm than good for the reputation of FOSS :P From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 20:51:23 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Sep 16 20:51:32 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <2494ad260909160141n7836d2f9m9a76b44f58ae6e77@mail.gmail.com> References: <313033.93668.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <027201ca3680$f1a9c7b0$d4fd5710$@co.nz> <19439.34618.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909152217i688b22cahb26543559d3d335@mail.gmail.com> <521480.83460.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909152255r21ab110bx23308b00627b6e6b@mail.gmail.com> <2494ad260909160141n7836d2f9m9a76b44f58ae6e77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Kennedy Skelton wrote: > 2009/9/16 Nevyn : >> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Kennedy Skelton wrote: >>> >>> Bellied and bearded people just aren't as special. Nyer Nyer. >> >> Oh I'm specail... I'm just not sure if it's in a positive or negative way :/ >> >> Are you coming to SFD Kennedy? > > Yep I am. I'll be bringing my laptop as a demo machine but it may well > do more harm than good for the reputation of FOSS :P Ha! Was thinking the same about this desktop I'm using right now... Finally got sound going without having to do wierd hacks everytime I boot up. One of my big gripes with gnome - by a lot of gnome applications hiding settigs and not allowing you todo things like specify the sound card you want to use per instance of the application, you lose alot of the really cool stuff... From duffyd at kokorice.org Wed Sep 16 21:21:57 2009 From: duffyd at kokorice.org (Tim Knapp) Date: Wed Sep 16 21:22:21 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Kiwi PyCon 2009 - Open for Registration Message-ID: <1253092917.5462.856.camel@monty> Hello from Kiwi PyCon 2009 HQ, Registration is now open for Kiwi PyCon 2009! To skip to the chase, the following links will provide you with the added motivation (as if you needed it) to register for this first-of-its-kind event in Asia-Pacific: 1. Conference schedule: http://nz.pycon.org/talks-cfp/schedule/ 2. Registration page: http://nz.pycon.org/registrations/ 3. After entering your registration details, you'll be emailed an invoice for payment and following payment your place will be confirmed! Its as easy as 1-2-3. Students/Unwaged delegates will receive a discounted price of $20, with general admission being $40 and speakers (i.e. excluding Lightning Talks and Open Spaces sessions) receive a further discounted price of $10 (all prices are in NZD). Registration includes: * Kiwi PyCon T shirt (designed by the guy who brought you the BCA Ts) * Espresso coffee vouchers * Lunch and morning/afternoon tea snacks * Opportunity for lots of schwag giveaways There are only 100 places available for the Pre-Conference Party and 150 places for the Conference proper and we can't confirm your spot until you've paid up so get in quick to ensure you don't miss out. See you on the day - November 7-8, 2009 @ Christchurch, NZ! Over and out, Kiwi PyCon 2009 Organising Committee From daniel at rimspace.net Wed Sep 16 22:09:06 2009 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Wed Sep 16 22:09:27 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <028301ca369d$fe43c4e0$facb4ea0$@co.nz> (Aaron Pelly's message of "Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:19:13 +1200") References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> <313033.93668.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <027201ca3680$f1a9c7b0$d4fd5710$@co.nz> <19439.34618.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909152217i688b22cahb26543559d3d335@mail.gmail.com> <87ab0v5ta6.fsf@rimspace.net> <028301ca369d$fe43c4e0$facb4ea0$@co.nz> Message-ID: <87fxan42wt.fsf@rimspace.net> "Aaron Pelly" writes: G'day Aaron. >> The involvement of women in FOSS and Linux? That is /such/ a hard >> question, but my view is that, yes, it does need recognition. The stats >> that Skud highlights in her OSCON keynote are, to me, shameful: >> >> http://infotrope.net/blog/2009/07/25/standing-out-in-the-crowd-my-oscon- >> keynote/ >> >> Having an involvement level for women of somewhere between 1.5 and 5 percent >> is terrible, even when compared to the shamefully low levels in IT (and the >> sciences) generally, where it runs as high as a whole 30 percent. > > Personally I don't give a damn about the statistics. What I do care about is > making sure everybody gets to choose a field that interests them, and > further, that they are given every opportunity to excel. *nod* I agree with your statement: it is a very succinct, and effective, way of putting the point. I do care about statistics, though, for two reasons: First, if we don't measure then how can we tell if we are succeeding or not? Granted, the statistics above may, or may not, reflect a good measure of the goal, but that doesn't (IMO) make the general idea of stats bad. Second, I don't know about others, but my initial assumptions, years ago, and the figures that keep turning up in the stats are not exactly in sync; I?wouldn't have thought that things were that bad without the measurement. > Who am I to tell women to brush up on their *nix skills? > > I am sometimes annoyed by the strangers who are driven to encourage men to > take up teaching. Teaching is a career with a female gender bias and, also, > I have no interest in taking it up. As you say, the solution isn't going to be to tell people that they should do something they don't want to. I certainly don't think it is. I think that we are better to ask *why* about these things, then think hard about the answers and, maybe, act to change the why. For example, if we asked why men are not interested in becoming teachers, and the answer we got back was that they got paid between 50 and 80 percent of the money that women did in the field... Well, that is a problem that we can address, and fixing the imbalance would (hopefully) make teaching more attractive to men ? so we would stop having all men who would make *great* teachers go off and do something else. We might even find that some of those men /wanted/ to be teachers, but they just couldn't afford to, given the disparity in pay. Asking why is the key point, though: if we don't understand the problem, how can we hope to solve it? > It occurs to me that most women just _don't want_ to work in IT. Good for > them I say! (FWIW, most men don't want to work in IT either) *nod* > I can only imagine how annoying it must be for women to be perpetually told > they must be doing something they don't like just because there is a gender > imbalance. Be a mechanic, join the navy, be a truck driver, be a plumber, be > a fireman... > > You go be whatever you want ladies and gentlemen, and may your careers be > long and prosperous! I certainly agree with you here: we should encourage everyone to do what they want, and what they enjoy. I also think we should look to remove any road-blocks that get in their way, be that men entering teaching, or women into IT, or whatever. Giving everyone an equal shot at doing whatever they want to do would be great. Daniel -- ? Daniel Pittman ? daniel@rimspace.net ? +61 401 155 707 ? made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons Looking for work? Love Perl? In Melbourne, Australia? We are hiring. From nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz Wed Sep 16 22:25:07 2009 From: nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz (Glen Ogilvie) Date: Wed Sep 16 22:25:37 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200909162225.14269.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> Hi Nevyn, I was wondering for advertising for SFD, if it would count as a community notice, and maybe we could get NewsTalk ZB to advertise it, along with the other community notices. I am short of time to call them, but is anyone here able to see if they are interested, maybe give them a copy of the flyer that we have made. Regards Glen Ogilvie. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/aucklug/attachments/20090916/391e2588/attachment.pgp From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 22:28:49 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Sep 16 22:29:05 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <200909162225.14269.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> References: <200909162225.14269.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Glen Ogilvie wrote: > Hi Nevyn, > > I was wondering for advertising for SFD, if it would count as a community > notice, and maybe we could get NewsTalk ZB to advertise it, along with the > other community notices. ?I am short of time to call them, but is anyone here > able to see if they are interested, maybe give them a copy of the flyer that we > have made. > > Regards > Glen Ogilvie. That's not a bad idea. I'll give them a call tomorrow. As for the flyer - has anyone refined it? I'm sure it's a tad rough... Regards, Nevyn. From subscribed at gnuzealand.com Wed Sep 16 23:06:39 2009 From: subscribed at gnuzealand.com (Bruce Clement) Date: Wed Sep 16 23:06:59 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Wireless router,,, In-Reply-To: References: <9da4db1f0909151741p5bebb6bcn6b2956d75e5954f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9da4db1f0909160406t53d0fea6r3c600c6eaca9312c@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 6:07 PM, zed wrote: > > > >> Bruce Clement wrote: > > > >I'm not sure if this is the same issue, but our adsl modem with wireless > > >router shipped with the wireless disabled and it was necessary to > connect > > >in through wired ethernet to enable it from the control interface. > > Was it "once set up dispense with the wired ethernet" or did the cable have > to be connected all the time? If the latter, it defeats the purpose of a > wireless connection, surely! > > > I'm not 100% sure as we have the desktop permanently plugged into it anyway, but I think that once it's turned on it stays on. Our one is an ethernet connection not one of those mickey mouse usb things so I'd expect it to keep going even without its home PC. Bruce -- Bruce Clement http://www.GnuZealand.com/ From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Sep 17 10:19:42 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Sep 17 10:19:53 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <200909162225.14269.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Nevyn wrote: > > That's not a bad idea. I'll give them a call tomorrow. As for the > flyer - has anyone refined it? I'm sure it's a tad rough... > > Regards, > Nevyn. I did one better and sent them an email last night instead. The reply this morning was that they pre-record all of their community notices around a week earlier so all submissions for their community notices has to be in 10 days before the event. Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Sep 17 11:19:48 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Sep 17 11:20:02 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <200909162225.14269.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Nevyn wrote: > > I did one better and sent them an email last night instead. The reply > this morning was that they pre-record all of their community notices > around a week earlier so all submissions for their community notices > has to be in 10 days before the event. > > Regards, > Nevyn. Anne-Marie, the woman I contacted at NewsTalk ZB, suggested perhaps I should talk to classic hits so I've just sent them an email - does anyone want to phone them? I've suddenly been called into work (after 2 weeks of having no contact). Regards, Nevyn. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Thu Sep 17 14:58:17 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Sep 17 14:58:26 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Last bits Message-ID: <223330.98809.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi guys, Sorry I'me been a bit scarse recently; been absolutely crazy here @ work & getting things in order. Just a last few points before the actions starts. * Both local events are organized & set to roll. * Please continue on spreading the word. We need to let AS many people know about the events as we can (twitter/identica, blogs & forums, family, work-colleagues, church, library, supermarket, etc), please, please, please, since this can still be an EPIC FAIL if we go through all this effort & get so many guys on board, but nobody pitches (*touch-wood*) * RHEL are on board too; so a thanks to Roland Feurer from Ingram Micro NZ (thanks a bunch!) He's providing us with 100 Fedora Disks (and a few RHEL ones too, just for kicks) He's also providing Red Hat?s Training Pre-Assessment Questionnaires, but has asks that those interrested please pre-register, to make things go just *that* bit easier: https://www.redhat.com/apps/training/assess/ * Canonical's come through for us, nad I've received a shipment of 50 branded Jaunty-32 desktop disks & a few stickers to give away. I still have a few from an earlier event, and I also have an extra "UbuntuGuru" t-shirt left from last year if anyone's wants it, or simply wants to wear it on the day * We've had quite a few leads for music, bus as of yet I've had absolutly NO time to download anything, so if someone can please take care of that... I've downloaded copies of theOpenDisk(s), both regular & edu versions. Does anyone have up-to-date copies of the PortableApps collection, and a decent collection of FLOSS apps for Mac? My fiance's machine runs almost ALL FLOSS software (except for the OS & FCP), but I'm not sure I have the software available on hand (OOo, FF, TB, SB, VLC, Adium, etc) * For Sunday's event, please remember that MindKits will be selling their "toys" (guess @ about $100 a pop), as well as other vendors present. I'm also pretty sure there may be regular trips to the pub for breathers... I'm sure I'm missing a lot, but I'll add to this thread & to the blog (http://aucklandsfd2009.blogspot.com/) as it occurs to me & as ideas at kicked around A BIG thanks out again to everyone involved . This has been a fantastic effort thus far - J From jj.walker at auckland.ac.nz Thu Sep 17 15:41:23 2009 From: jj.walker at auckland.ac.nz (Jamie Walker) Date: Thu Sep 17 15:41:32 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Last bits In-Reply-To: <223330.98809.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <223330.98809.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > I've downloaded copies of theOpenDisk(s), both regular & edu versions. Does anyone > have up-to-date copies of the PortableApps collection, and a decent collection of FLOSS > apps for Mac? My fiance's machine runs almost ALL FLOSS software (except for the OS & > FCP), but I'm not sure I have the software available on hand (OOo, FF, TB, SB, VLC, Adium, > etc) Available on UoA campus: http://mirror.ece.auckland.ac.nz/mozilla/ http://mirror.ece.auckland.ac.nz/openoffice/ http://mirror.ece.auckland.ac.nz/vlc/ On a different note: Too late in the game to organise officially, but one of our labs is in the same building as SciSpace (one floor up, other side of the corridor) with 40 machines dual-booting Ubuntu that will have a guest login available. I've been told that it's OK to let the odd random person in to have a play with them as long as somebody from staff (eg me) is around to keep an eye on them. -- Gmail/Gtalk/MSN: jj.walker@gmail.com (or shout loudly) From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Thu Sep 17 16:11:29 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Sep 17 16:11:51 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Last bits In-Reply-To: References: <223330.98809.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <405160.62021.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thanks for the offer >Available on UoA campus: Are we able to make use of the Uni's 'net connection & pull copies from the repo's? Please? Are versions of software available for lin, win & mac? I've got a bit of a apt-cacher-ng cache (around 10G) that I can bring & make available on a network > OK to let the odd random person in to have a play with them Is there a window that people kan peek through & see? In stead of letting random people into a controlled lab environment (I understand their hessitation), would they be more ameanable to rather having 1 or 2 of the systems (1 win with #FLOSS software, and another lin, with the same software) @ the venue for demo & maybe put that up as the Uni's own display, demonstrating how they're taking part & supporting FLOSS? Think that's something that would be much easier to keep an eye on. From kiirani at gmail.com Thu Sep 17 16:17:04 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Thu Sep 17 16:17:13 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Last bits In-Reply-To: <405160.62021.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <223330.98809.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <405160.62021.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2494ad260909162117k3ac1d6fdya4193669dce3cf57@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/17 Jaco van der Merwe : > In stead of letting random people into a controlled lab environment (I understand their hessitation), would they be more ameanable to rather having 1 or 2 of the systems (1 win with #FLOSS software, and another lin, with the same software) @ the venue for demo & maybe put that up as the Uni's own display, demonstrating how they're taking part & supporting FLOSS? Think that's something that would be much easier to keep an eye on. I haven't been in the ECE labs, but every machine I've ever seen on campus has been bolted to the desk, floor, or wall. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Thu Sep 17 16:17:23 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Sep 17 16:17:33 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Last bits In-Reply-To: References: <223330.98809.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <752268.52428.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Completely forgot! We also need to make mention of RMS's visit, as well as the 4 Freedoms (just a tad important) Also want to compile a list, possibly to post on the blog, of Open Source in action. Everything, from OS's (not just linux), mobiles, devices to cars & school text books. Would like to show where it is in use & how it's already affecting many aspects of everyday life (even if you don't know about it) - J From vik at catalyst.net.nz Thu Sep 17 16:21:08 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Thu Sep 17 16:21:28 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Last bits In-Reply-To: <752268.52428.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <223330.98809.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <752268.52428.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AB1B934.8080301@catalyst.net.nz> On 17/09/09 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Also want to compile a list, possibly to post on the blog, of Open > Source in action. > Everything, from OS's (not just linux), mobiles, devices to cars & > school text books. > Would like to show where it is in use & how it's already affecting > many aspects of everyday life (even if you don't know about it) Google, Motorola Razr phones etc.? Vik From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Thu Sep 17 16:32:54 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Sep 17 16:33:04 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Last bits In-Reply-To: <4AB1B934.8080301@catalyst.net.nz> References: <223330.98809.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <752268.52428.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AB1B934.8080301@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <404327.69445.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >Google, Motorola Razr phones etc.? Yip. that sorta stuff (think a car's component system was mentioned elsewhere too) Others, like the OpenMoko, Arduino & RepRap (of course), Android, Palm pre, DD-WRT, TiVo & MySky (though there are poor example, but still somewhat valid), OSM, Wikipedia... Even better bay be if we can have any of these present on the day to show off (no formal presentation required) I'll add these to a list on the blog tonight, as they're listed - J From jj.walker at auckland.ac.nz Thu Sep 17 16:38:50 2009 From: jj.walker at auckland.ac.nz (Jamie Walker) Date: Thu Sep 17 16:39:11 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Last bits In-Reply-To: <405160.62021.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <223330.98809.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <405160.62021.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >>Available on UoA campus: > Are we able to make use of the Uni's 'net connection & pull copies from the repo's? Please? Anyone who correctly resolves to a .nz address can connect. I don't know what network connectivity folks are going to have in SciSpace though, because I'm not involved with the setup there. > Are versions of software available for lin, win & mac? Depends on the software. For the Mozilla/OO/VLC stuff mentioned, yes. For Linux/BSD isos and repos, it's mostly i386 and amd64. > In stead of letting random people into a controlled lab environment (I understand their > hessitation), would they be more ameanable to rather having 1 or 2 of the systems (1 win > with #FLOSS software, and another lin, with the same software) @ the venue for demo & > maybe put that up as the Uni's own display, demonstrating how they're taking part & > supporting FLOSS? Think that's something that would be much easier to keep an eye on. The official venue is a different subnet and our setup wouldn't work there. I'm going to be around and don't mind keeping an eye on things if there are any takers, provided I have someone to talk to. From robin.paulson at gmail.com Thu Sep 17 16:53:14 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Thu Sep 17 16:53:25 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Last bits In-Reply-To: <404327.69445.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <223330.98809.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <752268.52428.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AB1B934.8080301@catalyst.net.nz> <404327.69445.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770909162153g238a126fpeb5cbd59842f9c1d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/17 Jaco van der Merwe : >>Google, Motorola Razr phones etc.? > Yip. that sorta stuff (think a car's component system was mentioned elsewhere too) > Others, like the OpenMoko, Arduino & RepRap (of course), Android, Palm pre, DD-WRT, TiVo & MySky (though there are poor example, but still somewhat valid), OSM, Wikipedia... > > Even better bay be if we can have any of these present on the day to show off (no formal presentation required) yep, can do. i'll bring my openmoko phone - it's not extinct yet no pres though From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Sep 17 16:54:25 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Sep 17 16:54:37 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Last bits In-Reply-To: <223330.98809.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <223330.98809.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > * We've had quite a few leads for music, bus as of yet I've had absolutly NO time to download anything, so if someone can please take care of that... > * For Sunday's event, please remember that MindKits will be selling their "toys" (guess @ about $100 a pop), as well as other vendors present. I'm also pretty sure there may be regular trips to the pub for breathers... Hey Guys, Sorry - just been off meeting with Tim from MindKits. There will be arduino's available at both events. I have 10 of the SparkFun starter packs to sell at the Albany event. $99 a pop which includes an arduino, breadboard and a few other bits and pieces. (http://www.mindkits.co.nz/_product_47975/SparkFun_Arduino_Starter_Kit) As for Music - I've got it covered. I'll do up a machine to use as a juke box with a monitor so that we can display the name(s) of the artist's tracks. Speaking of monitors, I've only got 2 that I can bring with me whereas I have a few more machines than that. We could potentially show installs during the day on a couple of machines to show just how easy things are to set up. Regards, Nevyn. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Thu Sep 17 16:59:33 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Sep 17 16:59:42 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Last bits In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770909162153g238a126fpeb5cbd59842f9c1d@mail.gmail.com> References: <223330.98809.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <752268.52428.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AB1B934.8080301@catalyst.net.nz> <404327.69445.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2770909162153g238a126fpeb5cbd59842f9c1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <235289.50146.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >yep, can do. i'll bring my openmoko phone - it's not extinct yet Sweet. Thanks I'll bring my DD-WRT with. Deshan @ RvB is kind enough to lend us one of his XBMC xboxes (no monitor though) Does the 'moko interface with the Arduino's? I know that the Android & iPhones have hacks, and I think I'veeven seen Wii's too seperate: We'll also need assorted paraphinalia, like a switch/hub, UTP cables, power leads, markers, etc (the boring bits). I'll drag along what I can find - J From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Thu Sep 17 17:05:44 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Sep 17 17:05:55 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Last bits In-Reply-To: References: <223330.98809.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <969382.38177.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thanks Nev, >Speaking of monitors, I've only got 2 I have another 2 CRT's I'll bring to the Sunday event. Can someone please take these off my hand after the event? I've bought 2 new LCD's, & these are just taking up space & gathering dust. Also have a few odds & ends that never made it to the eDay that are still very much salvagable that I simply don't want any more From yorick_ at openoffice.org Thu Sep 17 20:09:47 2009 From: yorick_ at openoffice.org (Graham Lauder) Date: Thu Sep 17 20:12:48 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Last bits In-Reply-To: References: <223330.98809.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200909172009.48286.yorick_@openoffice.org> On Thursday 17 September 2009 16:54:25 Nevyn wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Jaco van der Merwe > > wrote: > > * We've had quite a few leads for music, bus as of yet I've had absolutly > > NO time to download anything, so if someone can please take care of > > that... * For Sunday's event, please remember that MindKits will be > > selling their "toys" (guess @ about $100 a pop), as well as other vendors > > present. I'm also pretty sure there may be regular trips to the pub for > > breathers... > > Hey Guys, > > Sorry - just been off meeting with Tim from MindKits. There will be > arduino's available at both events. I have 10 of the SparkFun starter > packs to sell at the Albany event. $99 a pop which includes an > arduino, breadboard and a few other bits and pieces. > (http://www.mindkits.co.nz/_product_47975/SparkFun_Arduino_Starter_Kit) > > As for Music - I've got it covered. I'll do up a machine to use as a > juke box with a monitor so that we can display the name(s) of the > artist's tracks. > > Speaking of monitors, I've only got 2 that I can bring with me whereas > I have a few more machines than that. We could potentially show > installs during the day on a couple of machines to show just how easy > things are to set up. I'm bringing my KIWI LTSP rig up. Will there be a place to set it up? Tables chairs power etc. I'll only be setting 4 terminals but I can bring a few more monitors. Also have my projector but no screen (Too big to go in the car) Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. Ambassador for OpenSUSE Linux on your Desktop INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz From yorick_ at openoffice.org Thu Sep 17 20:13:58 2009 From: yorick_ at openoffice.org (Graham Lauder) Date: Thu Sep 17 20:16:55 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Last bits In-Reply-To: References: <223330.98809.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200909172013.58442.yorick_@openoffice.org> On Thursday 17 September 2009 15:41:23 Jamie Walker wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Jaco van der Merwe > > wrote: > > I've downloaded copies of theOpenDisk(s), both regular & edu versions. > > Does anyone have up-to-date copies of the PortableApps collection, and a > > decent collection of FLOSS apps for Mac? My fiance's machine runs almost > > ALL FLOSS software (except for the OS & FCP), but I'm not sure I have the > > software available on hand (OOo, FF, TB, SB, VLC, Adium, etc) > > Available on UoA campus: > > http://mirror.ece.auckland.ac.nz/mozilla/ > http://mirror.ece.auckland.ac.nz/openoffice/ > http://mirror.ece.auckland.ac.nz/vlc/ > > On a different note: > > Too late in the game to organise officially, but one of our labs is in > the same building as SciSpace (one floor up, other side of the > corridor) with 40 machines dual-booting Ubuntu that will have a guest > login available. I've been told that it's OK to let the odd random > person in to have a play with them as long as somebody from staff (eg > me) is around to keep an eye on them. I'll have a Linux Terminal Services rig On OpenSuSE set up with 4 maybe 6 terminals that people will be able to play on, assuming there are tables, power and so on. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. Ambassador for OpenSUSE Linux on your Desktop INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz From yorick_ at openoffice.org Thu Sep 17 20:15:20 2009 From: yorick_ at openoffice.org (Graham Lauder) Date: Thu Sep 17 20:19:28 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Last bits In-Reply-To: <223330.98809.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <223330.98809.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200909172015.20741.yorick_@openoffice.org> On Thursday 17 September 2009 14:58:17 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Hi guys, > > Sorry I'me been a bit scarse recently; been absolutely crazy here @ work & > getting things in order. Just a last few points before the actions starts. > > * Both local events are organized & set to roll. > * Please continue on spreading the word. We need to let AS many people know > about the events as we can (twitter/identica, blogs & forums, family, > work-colleagues, church, library, supermarket, etc), please, please, > please, since this can still be an EPIC FAIL if we go through all this > effort & get so many guys on board, but nobody pitches (*touch-wood*) * > RHEL are on board too; so a thanks to Roland Feurer from Ingram Micro NZ > (thanks a bunch!) He's providing us with 100 Fedora Disks (and a few RHEL > ones too, just for kicks) He's also providing Red Hat?s Training > Pre-Assessment Questionnaires, but has asks that those interrested please > pre-register, to make things go just *that* bit easier: > https://www.redhat.com/apps/training/assess/ * Canonical's come through for > us, nad I've received a shipment of 50 branded Jaunty-32 desktop disks & a > few stickers to give away. I still have a few from an earlier event, and I > also have an extra "UbuntuGuru" t-shirt left from last year if anyone's > wants it, or simply wants to wear it on the day * We've had quite a few > leads for music, bus as of yet I've had absolutly NO time to download > anything, so if someone can please take care of that... I've downloaded > copies of theOpenDisk(s), both regular & edu versions. Does anyone have > up-to-date copies of the PortableApps collection, and a decent collection > of FLOSS apps for Mac? My fiance's machine runs almost ALL FLOSS software > (except for the OS & FCP), but I'm not sure I have the software available > on hand (OOo, FF, TB, SB, VLC, Adium, etc) * For Sunday's event, please > remember that MindKits will be selling their "toys" (guess @ about $100 a > pop), as well as other vendors present. I'm also pretty sure there may be > regular trips to the pub for breathers... > > I'm sure I'm missing a lot, but I'll add to this thread & to the blog > (http://aucklandsfd2009.blogspot.com/) as it occurs to me & as ideas at > kicked around > > A BIG thanks out again to everyone involved . > This has been a fantastic effort thus far > > - J > 100 OpenSUSE DVDs arrived yesterday as well.... Of course some will be gone by Sunday. :) Cheers GL > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. Ambassador for OpenSUSE Linux on your Desktop INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Sep 17 20:38:12 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Sep 17 20:38:22 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Last bits In-Reply-To: <200909172009.48286.yorick_@openoffice.org> References: <223330.98809.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200909172009.48286.yorick_@openoffice.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Graham Lauder wrote: > On Thursday 17 September 2009 16:54:25 Nevyn wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Jaco van der Merwe >> >> wrote: >> > * We've had quite a few leads for music, bus as of yet I've had absolutly >> > NO time to download anything, so if someone can please take care of >> > that... * For Sunday's event, please remember that MindKits will be >> > selling their "toys" (guess @ about $100 a pop), as well as other vendors >> > present. I'm also pretty sure there may be regular trips to the pub for >> > breathers... >> >> Hey Guys, >> >> Sorry - just been off meeting with Tim from MindKits. There will be >> arduino's available at both events. I have 10 of the SparkFun starter >> packs to sell at the Albany event. $99 a pop which includes an >> arduino, breadboard and a few other bits and pieces. >> (http://www.mindkits.co.nz/_product_47975/SparkFun_Arduino_Starter_Kit) >> >> As for Music - I've got it covered. I'll do up a machine to use as a >> juke box with a monitor so that we can display the name(s) of the >> artist's tracks. >> >> Speaking of monitors, I've only got 2 that I can bring with me whereas >> I have a few more machines than that. We could potentially show >> installs during the day on a couple of machines to show just how ?easy >> things are to set up. > > I'm bringing my KIWI LTSP rig up. ?Will there be a place to set it up? Tables > chairs power etc. ?I'll only be setting 4 terminals but I can bring a few > more monitors. ?Also have my projector but no screen (Too big to go in the > car) > > Cheers > GL Should be loads at both events. The first one being a school, we should be able to grab stuff from a classroom if need be. The Uni space - the space is HUGE and loads of table and chairs and the like so no worries there. From robin.paulson at gmail.com Thu Sep 17 20:55:43 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Thu Sep 17 20:55:59 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Last bits In-Reply-To: <235289.50146.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <223330.98809.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <752268.52428.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AB1B934.8080301@catalyst.net.nz> <404327.69445.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2770909162153g238a126fpeb5cbd59842f9c1d@mail.gmail.com> <235289.50146.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770909170155g30d28e0dq7716f00da32dd5ac@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/17 Jaco van der Merwe : >>yep, can do. i'll bring my openmoko phone - it's not extinct yet > Sweet. Thanks > > I'll bring my DD-WRT with. Deshan @ RvB is kind enough to lend us one of his XBMC xboxes (no monitor though) > > Does the 'moko interface with the Arduino's? I know that the Android & iPhones have hacks, and I think I'veeven seen Wii's too > it can host usb, only 1.1 though, so i'd guess so maybe glen knows? i've thought a couple of times how the two together would make an excellent couple for data-logging on the go From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Sep 17 21:40:46 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Sep 17 21:41:03 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Last bits In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770909170155g30d28e0dq7716f00da32dd5ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <223330.98809.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <752268.52428.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AB1B934.8080301@catalyst.net.nz> <404327.69445.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2770909162153g238a126fpeb5cbd59842f9c1d@mail.gmail.com> <235289.50146.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2770909170155g30d28e0dq7716f00da32dd5ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Robin Paulson > > it can host usb, only 1.1 though, so i'd guess so > > maybe glen knows? > > i've thought a couple of times how the two together would make an > excellent couple for data-logging on the go There's some info here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Arduino From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 12:02:17 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Sep 18 12:02:27 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] POINTS Message-ID: Hi Guys, I'm "officially" announcing the opening of POINTS. I haven't changed anything in the last couple of days except to do a quick spell check. So go, enjoy. Hopefully we'll get some participation from the education sector after this weekend. Regards, Nevyn. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Fri Sep 18 13:57:07 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Fri Sep 18 13:57:18 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD volunteers In-Reply-To: <87ab0v5ta6.fsf@rimspace.net> References: <2f3aa2770909142325k19ac34f5pa03fdc1cf27e8154@mail.gmail.com> <256383.35378.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AAFF7A4.9@catalyst.net.nz> <2494ad260909151830p5edf4927oae489908eaacaca1@mail.gmail.com> <313033.93668.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <027201ca3680$f1a9c7b0$d4fd5710$@co.nz> <19439.34618.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2494ad260909152217i688b22cahb26543559d3d335@mail.gmail.com> <87ab0v5ta6.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: <906758.54259.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> At the risk of flogging a dead horse, I found this article via Linux.com an interesting read: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/6843/1/ - J From blakjak at blakjak.net Sat Sep 19 18:15:19 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Sat Sep 19 18:15:29 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Spam to Auckland LUG... from Greenpeace Website Message-ID: Thanks to whoever it was that decided the AuckLUG would appreciate unsolicited mail from Greenpeace's website... but honestly... inappropriate and probably not smart. (Did someone just dump their entire address book or something? Really?) Sigh... Mark. (List Admin) PS: Happy Software Freedom Day folks. From robin.paulson at gmail.com Sat Sep 19 21:35:18 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Sat Sep 19 21:35:32 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] xml to sqlite Message-ID: <2f3aa2770909190235g2d4c89c2ga2bbd333978f7fb5@mail.gmail.com> hi all, i'm working on a little app which amongst other things, takes some data in an xml format, and imports it into an sqlite database can anyone recommend any apps/scripts etc. for doing this in a fairly automated way (i realise it'll need config first, to recognise the different fields)? cheers From nevynh at gmail.com Sat Sep 19 23:54:23 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sat Sep 19 23:54:33 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Howick LUG Message-ID: Hi Guys, I was wondering if there was any chance of some sort of update on Howick LUG. I've heard that they've got a mailing list on Google Groups somewhere but I'm damned if I know where it is. In fact, I'd advocate a little bit more communication between AuckLUG and Howick LUG - chances are there are a few members who might find themselves interested enough in a subject to drive out to Howick for a meeting... Regards, Nevyn. From robin.paulson at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 00:06:44 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Sun Sep 20 00:06:57 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Howick LUG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2f3aa2770909190506h3ac28c80i1c213951f772fb7e@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/19 Nevyn : > I was wondering if there was any chance of some sort of update on > Howick LUG. I've heard that they've got a mailing list on Google > Groups somewhere but I'm damned if I know where it is. incredible. apparently, google search found it: http://groups.google.co.nz/group/howick-linux-users-group?lnk=srg&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&pli=1 From nevynh at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 00:10:48 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sun Sep 20 00:10:57 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Howick LUG In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770909190506h3ac28c80i1c213951f772fb7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770909190506h3ac28c80i1c213951f772fb7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/9/19 Nevyn : >> I was wondering if there was any chance of some sort of update on >> Howick LUG. I've heard that they've got a mailing list on Google >> Groups somewhere but I'm damned if I know where it is. > > incredible. apparently, google search found it: > > http://groups.google.co.nz/group/howick-linux-users-group?lnk=srg&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&pli=1 You have to sign up to see it... Be nice to just talk... From wrooney at ihug.co.nz Sun Sep 20 00:27:38 2009 From: wrooney at ihug.co.nz (Wayne Rooney) Date: Sun Sep 20 00:26:53 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Howick LUG In-Reply-To: References: <2f3aa2770909190506h3ac28c80i1c213951f772fb7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200909200027.38430.wrooney@ihug.co.nz> On Sunday 20 September 2009 00:10, Nevyn wrote: > On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Robin Paulson wrote: > > 2009/9/19 Nevyn : > >> I was wondering if there was any chance of some sort of update on > >> Howick LUG. I've heard that they've got a mailing list on Google > >> Groups somewhere but I'm damned if I know where it is. > > > > incredible. apparently, google search found it: > > > > http://groups.google.co.nz/group/howick-linux-users-group?lnk=srg&hl=en&i > >e=UTF-8&pli=1 > > You have to sign up to see it... Be nice to just talk... Yeah, we had a bit of a problem with spam. The topic of next month's meeting is wireless networking, this month was samba, the month before was Apache. HLUG meetings are currently held in the croquet clubroom at the Lloyd Ellesmere Park on the first Thursday of the month at 7:30pm. Venure rental is paid by subscription of $30.00 per year but we won't be too miffed if you turn up once or twice for a look-see without paying for it. Wayne From daniel at rimspace.net Sun Sep 20 00:38:39 2009 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Sun Sep 20 00:39:05 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] xml to sqlite In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770909190235g2d4c89c2ga2bbd333978f7fb5@mail.gmail.com> (Robin Paulson's message of "Sat, 19 Sep 2009 21:35:18 +1200") References: <2f3aa2770909190235g2d4c89c2ga2bbd333978f7fb5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87pr9nqfcg.fsf@rimspace.net> Robin Paulson writes: > i'm working on a little app which amongst other things, takes some data in > an xml format, and imports it into an sqlite database > > can anyone recommend any apps/scripts etc. for doing this in a fairly > automated way (i realise it'll need config first, to recognise the different > fields)? I might almost be tempted to use XSLT to transform the XML into SQL text that performs the appropriate inserts, except that my experience says that "import XML to a database" is *never* a simple process. Usually, I end up using something like the Perl XML::Simple or HTML::TokeParser to take apart the input into a stream of data structures, then write them out with something trivial like DBI. Well, or with an ORM like DBIx::Class, if I expect to use that elsewhere in the application, which is usually required. Daniel -- ? Daniel Pittman ? daniel@rimspace.net ? +61 401 155 707 ? made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons Looking for work? Love Perl? In Melbourne, Australia? We are hiring. From blakjak at blakjak.net Sun Sep 20 08:32:04 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Sun Sep 20 08:32:15 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Howick LUG In-Reply-To: <200909200027.38430.wrooney@ihug.co.nz> References: <2f3aa2770909190506h3ac28c80i1c213951f772fb7e@mail.gmail.com> <200909200027.38430.wrooney@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: > > HLUG meetings are currently held in the croquet clubroom at the Lloyd > Ellesmere Park on the first Thursday of the month at 7:30pm. > A reminder that www.linux.net.nz hosts an index of known LUG's with pointers to their sites and lists. http://www.linux.net.nz/node/view/11 Updates welcomed. From gijones at clear.net.nz Sun Sep 20 20:35:48 2009 From: gijones at clear.net.nz (Brent Jones) Date: Sun Sep 20 20:36:04 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Thanks For Software Freedom Day activities Message-ID: <4AB5E964.9080801@clear.net.nz> Hi All I just wanted to thank those who organised both Fridays and today's activities for software freedom day. It was interesting and I learned a lot. There are to many things I learned to list them all here. One tip that was worth it by itself was the Ctrl L to reset my command line after exiting X system. Thanks again for a great time. Brent From arbscht at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 23:43:23 2009 From: arbscht at gmail.com (Abhishek Reddy) Date: Sun Sep 20 23:43:34 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Thanks For Software Freedom Day activities In-Reply-To: <4AB5E964.9080801@clear.net.nz> References: <4AB5E964.9080801@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <6da08ade0909200443j416f951cmc0a8cf70aeba7662@mail.gmail.com> Agreed! It was fun and interesting throughout -- I enjoyed the live RepRap demo in particular (thanks Vik!), as well as many other enlightening discussions. Good turnout, considering the last-minute setup. I look forward to next year's event being bigger and better. :-) -- Abhishek Reddy http://abhishek.geek.nz From robin.paulson at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 00:33:21 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Mon Sep 21 00:33:30 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] xml to sqlite In-Reply-To: <87pr9nqfcg.fsf@rimspace.net> References: <2f3aa2770909190235g2d4c89c2ga2bbd333978f7fb5@mail.gmail.com> <87pr9nqfcg.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770909200533g74023631m56a2e55f94f4af07@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/20 Daniel Pittman : > I might almost be tempted to use XSLT to transform the XML into SQL text that > performs the appropriate inserts, except that my experience says that "import > XML to a database" is *never* a simple process. thanks for the suggestions daniel. i did some digging (i really should do that first...), and found there's a ruby gem for doing what i want. problem is, the whole concept of gems has me lost i've installed it i think (how, i don't know - does the gems stuff work like a repo? does it get dependencies automatically) but when i run it, i get a list of errors that i don't understand = my ruby knowledge is non-existent could someone help? the name of the gem is osmsqlite, these are the errors i get when i try to run the import, syntax from http://osmlib.rubyforge.org/osmlib-sqlite/rdoc/index.html sqlite and sqlite3 are installed. the .osm file is correct inzy@milton:~/openmoko/zenbu_app$ /var/lib/gems/1.8/bin/osmsqlite import map.osm osm.db /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:31:in `gem_original_require': no such file to load -- sqlite3 (LoadError) from /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:31:in `require' from /home/inzy/.gem/ruby/1.8/gems/osmlib-sqlite-0.1.4/lib/OSM/SQLite.rb:3 from /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:31:in `gem_original_require' from /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:31:in `require' from /home/inzy/.gem/ruby/1.8/gems/osmlib-sqlite-0.1.4/bin/osmsqlite:15 from /var/lib/gems/1.8/bin/osmsqlite:19:in `load' from /var/lib/gems/1.8/bin/osmsqlite:19 cheers From SOConnor at pharos.co.nz Mon Sep 21 07:48:12 2009 From: SOConnor at pharos.co.nz (Sean OConnor) Date: Mon Sep 21 07:48:28 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Howick LUG In-Reply-To: References: <2f3aa2770909190506h3ac28c80i1c213951f772fb7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >>> I was wondering if there was any chance of some sort of update on >>> Howick LUG. I've heard that they've got a mailing list on Google >>> Groups somewhere but I'm damned if I know where it is. >> >> incredible. apparently, google search found it: >> >> http://groups.google.co.nz/group/howick-linux-users-group?lnk=srg&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&pli=1 > >You have to sign up to see it... Be nice to just talk... You should be able to browse the content without signing up now. So far its been mainly used for organising the next meeting, but feel free to join the mailing list and contribute. Sean From vik at catalyst.net.nz Mon Sep 21 09:58:51 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Mon Sep 21 09:59:04 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Thanks For Software Freedom Day activities In-Reply-To: <6da08ade0909200443j416f951cmc0a8cf70aeba7662@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB5E964.9080801@clear.net.nz> <6da08ade0909200443j416f951cmc0a8cf70aeba7662@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AB6A59B.1010002@catalyst.net.nz> On 20/09/09 Abhishek Reddy wrote: > Good turnout, considering the last-minute setup. I look forward to > next year's event being bigger and better. :-) Oh absolutely. Thanks for coming along and supporting it. Now we know more of the nature of the beast and have a flash venue, next year should be an even better show! Vik :v) From yorick_ at openoffice.org Mon Sep 21 10:27:16 2009 From: yorick_ at openoffice.org (Graham Lauder) Date: Mon Sep 21 10:30:44 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Thanks For Software Freedom Day activities In-Reply-To: <4AB6A59B.1010002@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4AB5E964.9080801@clear.net.nz> <6da08ade0909200443j416f951cmc0a8cf70aeba7662@mail.gmail.com> <4AB6A59B.1010002@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <200909211027.16512.yorick_@openoffice.org> On Monday 21 September 2009 09:58:51 Vik Olliver wrote: > On 20/09/09 Abhishek Reddy wrote: > > Good turnout, considering the last-minute setup. I look forward to > > next year's event being bigger and better. :-) > > Oh absolutely. Thanks for coming along and supporting it. Now we know > more of the nature of the beast and have a flash venue, next year should > be an even better show! > > Vik :v) > I'm all in favour of the RepRap demo being hidden away in a small dark room so the rest of us can feel less inadequate... .... Of course if we did that, Vik would probably come up with "glow in the dark" plastic and...... Can that suggestion, leave it where it is, our only hope is overexposure. ;) -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. Ambassador for OpenSUSE Linux on your Desktop INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz From vik at catalyst.net.nz Mon Sep 21 10:52:14 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Mon Sep 21 10:52:24 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Thanks For Software Freedom Day activities In-Reply-To: <200909211027.16512.yorick_@openoffice.org> References: <4AB5E964.9080801@clear.net.nz> <6da08ade0909200443j416f951cmc0a8cf70aeba7662@mail.gmail.com> <4AB6A59B.1010002@catalyst.net.nz> <200909211027.16512.yorick_@openoffice.org> Message-ID: <4AB6B21E.7090903@catalyst.net.nz> On 21/09/09 Graham Lauder wrote: > .... Of course if we did that, Vik would probably come up with "glow > in the dark" plastic and...... [Vik places order with Glopro Pigments Inc.] Vik :v) From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 11:24:03 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Sep 21 11:24:13 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Thanks For Software Freedom Day activities In-Reply-To: <4AB6B21E.7090903@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4AB5E964.9080801@clear.net.nz> <6da08ade0909200443j416f951cmc0a8cf70aeba7662@mail.gmail.com> <4AB6A59B.1010002@catalyst.net.nz> <200909211027.16512.yorick_@openoffice.org> <4AB6B21E.7090903@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Vik Olliver wrote: > On 21/09/09 Graham Lauder wrote: >> .... Of course if we did that, Vik would probably come up with "glow >> in the dark" plastic and...... > > [Vik places order with Glopro Pigments Inc.] > > Vik :v) I'm voting for pulsating neon lights around it (green or blue - you choose). Definitely back the room material though - give people a chance to walk in the door and looking around before wondering what the crowd of people are gathered around.... Also - we need to manufacture some. Get one in a classroom somewhere and have a look at the applications to education etc. Regards, Nevyn. From vik at catalyst.net.nz Mon Sep 21 11:27:16 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Mon Sep 21 11:27:26 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Thanks For Software Freedom Day activities In-Reply-To: References: <4AB5E964.9080801@clear.net.nz> <6da08ade0909200443j416f951cmc0a8cf70aeba7662@mail.gmail.com> <4AB6A59B.1010002@catalyst.net.nz> <200909211027.16512.yorick_@openoffice.org> <4AB6B21E.7090903@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <4AB6BA54.4070001@catalyst.net.nz> On 21/09/09 Nevyn wrote: > Also - we need to manufacture some. Get one in a classroom somewhere > and have a look at the applications to education etc. Absolutely. Getting students playing with the thing and helping Open Source without even realising it is one of my aims. Vik :v) From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 11:49:51 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Sep 21 11:50:00 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD a success? Message-ID: Hi Guys, I think we should take an opportunity to do a debrief. Sort of a lessons learnt thing and how we can do it better next time. Please add to this and/or discuss bits.... So we all know we just didn't have enough time to get everything sorted to be able to do any sort of a marketing campaign. We really need to try and get the non-converted in the door so I was thinking that we should do two efforts on the day. One - just a group of people doing a 2 minute meet of people. Go down Queen St, meet people, have a chat direct them to the other event. I think we lacked focus. We sort of cobbled together what ever we could in the time frame and I think if we had time to think about how we grouped things together, we would've had a better time of it. So we've now seen the space. Next year, we should be able to have a plan - where displays fit in with each other etc. There's a bit of discussion about the other event. Whether it should be a fun event or aimed at business. I would like to do both. Larger, better, stronger - see if we could get use of a lab to hold an open Lan party type thing (no teams - a free for all so that anyone could sit down and have a go). Also have a solid schedule of presentations within say... a 3 hour period - one after another with say a 15 minute break in between. Keep to a schedule in otherwords. The rest of the day could just be an informal walk around and meet people - one on one chats. Have a look at stands. That sort of thing. Also provide coffee and tea - encourage people to sit around and talk about this sort of stuff. There was a lot of that going on - I just think it would've been even better with a coffee in hand. There was some talk about trying to do a national co-ordination of events. Have the one poster with where to go for the individual events. Of course we'd have to sacrifice details. We'd need to have something along the lines of a time, date, location and perhaps a website to visit for more details. In terms of the website, we should probably co-ordinate on the one website. That way people only have to go to the one place for details. This is more likely to get businesses involved as the advertising would appear on nationwide. At one point during the day I directed someone to a display that they weren't aware was there but had thought was going to be demoed. So a clearer indication of what we're showing would be good. In terms of money, this year we did what we could on a $0 budget. I think we were fairly successful given the limitations we had. No money, no time. The time one is easy. We're going to start doing the planning 6 months early. We'll be securing our venue VERY early on - this was probably one of the biggest stresses for me. We couldn't start marketing until we had a venue and given our tight deadline, this left us with about a week to try and get the marketing side of things done. As for the money side of things, I think we need to be talking about possible sponsors of such an event. Who would be willing to pay for some pizzas - we ended up going to Subway but didn't really sit down and eat together... Who would be willing to allow us to use their A3 colour printers for some marketing material or help us pay for printing costs... For marketing, we need to think really carefully about how we approach people. I'm still of the opinion that we're more likely to win people over on practical merit rather than philosophical ones. People don't know that Freedom may be an issue and if it's not on the news, it's not an issue. If we can sell them on the idea that Open Office allows for people to have the same functionality as MS Office but allows everyone to have a copy without outrageous costs for a license, thus eventually decreasing the frustration with incompatibilities between different office suites and increasing the information that can be shared. Finally, on a personal note, I need to work smarter. I got home last night, had a couple of beers and just crashed on the couch - woke up and stumbled off to bed around 11.... And looking around yesterday I can't really think of any significant that I did... Regards, Nevyn. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Mon Sep 21 12:07:46 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Sep 21 12:07:57 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Auckland SFD '09 - a report Message-ID: <487645.67417.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> As mentioned before, a BIG thanks to every one that participated (in no particular order): Nevyn, Vik, Graham, Roland, Tim, Antonio, Kennedy, Matt, Mark, the other AuckLUG peeps (FLOSS'ers and anyone I may have omitted). Everyone's involvement has made this well worth the effort This years event was quite a bit bigger than last year's effort, and again, much was learned (details to follow) For myself, some of the highlights & points of interest where: * ENTIRE event was arranged on $0 (excluding beers & personal input) * No presentations (other than the RepPap in action) actually kicked off (although quite a few where prepared). People where *way* too busy networking & making the event their own to be static long enough to pay attention to any single point (which was pretty cool in it own rights) * Vendors participating. Was good to see vendors engaging with the audience. I think everyone was able to take something of value away for their efforts. Big names represented include: RedHat, OpenOffice/Novell, Ubuntu, Arduino incl RepRap, etc * The launch of the AU LUG (ref. Kennedy, Antonio & co) * The launch of POINTS (ref Nevyn); there seems to be a lot of interest growing around FLOSS & Edu, judging from discussions with some members, Mark (@ Albany) & Steve (from Tauranga) * the Kid from Albany School that set up a FLOSS RSS-feds notice board & video broadcasting service. THAT was really fantastic, IMO, and he's definately a individual to keep an eye on. * the background music was a very nice touch Lessons learned & considerations for next year: * Start earlier (6-12 month in advance) * Arrange venue + internet +6 months in advance * Marketing, marketing, marketing (pincipal for last 6 months). Unfortunately this requires $$$, so... * Sponsors. Both in terms of $$$ & ... * Participation. Get participants committed & possibly attendees to do .... * Registration. Give indication of number's, which makes venues easier to arrange, quantifies numbers for sponsors & have people to mentally commit to the event * Possibly chat to the eDay-people (event was week prior to ours) to see if we can coordinate with them, nationally. We have overlapping interest & this can be a win-win solution for all parties concerned. * International hook-up (IM, IRC, twitter/identica, etc) with other SFD taking place globally * Forget Joe-public. Personally I think that's a hard-sell, until we have a LOT more widespread participation. But that's something that may be addressed with more marketing. This was very-much a nerd-fest, and it seems those that where there did get a lot of enjoyment out of it. If Joe-pulic pitches up, I think anyone there would be more than happy to help out where & how they can, but we may end up twiddling our thumbs if we're going to wait for them. * Mini-event thoughout the year to raise FLOSS's visibility, and to promote the upcoming SFD event * I think we can pretty-much forget a SFD in 2011, since the RWC is taking place at the same time (but that's a consideration for next year) Again, thanks a bunch to everyone for a great time. I really had a LOT of fun Cheers - J From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 12:22:49 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Sep 21 12:22:59 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Thanks For Software Freedom Day activities In-Reply-To: <4AB6BA54.4070001@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4AB5E964.9080801@clear.net.nz> <6da08ade0909200443j416f951cmc0a8cf70aeba7662@mail.gmail.com> <4AB6A59B.1010002@catalyst.net.nz> <200909211027.16512.yorick_@openoffice.org> <4AB6B21E.7090903@catalyst.net.nz> <4AB6BA54.4070001@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Vik Olliver wrote: > On 21/09/09 Nevyn wrote: >> Also - we need to manufacture some. Get one in a classroom somewhere >> and have a look at the applications to education etc. > > Absolutely. Getting students playing with the thing and helping Open > Source without even realising it is one of my aims. > > Vik :v) You don't have a rough estimate of cost do you? Obviously people are interested - it's just a matter of being able to get one (or stepping through how to make one - this is probably a slightly bigger barrier)... Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 12:53:26 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Sep 21 12:53:35 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Auckland SFD '09 - a report In-Reply-To: <487645.67417.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <487645.67417.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > * The launch of the AU LUG (ref. Kennedy, Antonio & co) UALUG (University of Auckland LUG) this has actually been around for a little while. A few years back they were doing fairly regular installfests but the person who was the main force behind all of this (another female in the community I believe) left so it was in much the same state that AuckLUG was probably a year ago - limping along with no real direction. > * The launch of POINTS (ref Nevyn); there seems to be a lot of interest growing around FLOSS & Edu, judging from discussions with some members, Mark (@ Albany) & Steve (from Tauranga) Steve owns a company called TechnologyWise which is a commercial contributor to NZOSS and has done a few really cool things to promote FOSS. They don't really blow their own horn all that much... (But consider a horn blown here...) http://www.technologywise.co.nz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=107:technologywise-supports-school-in-absence-of-moe-contribution&catid=19:information > * the Kid from Albany School that set up a FLOSS RSS-feds notice board & video broadcasting service. THAT was really fantastic, IMO, and he's definately a individual to keep an eye on. He's on this list I think (I did ask) but he's a lurker (I'm not sure which term is worse - Kid or Lurker... Punters choice). I want to see if we can convince him to come and give us a talk at an AuckLUG meeting... Of course transport may be a concern. Perhaps now would be a good time to try and arrange something in the North Shore. I'm looking at adding some support to UALUG so now might not be the best time unless someone wants to run with the baton here... Speaking of youth.... I realised how old I must look nowadays (I'm only 30!). I might cut my hair regardless... > * the background music was a very nice touch Actually I was pleasantly surprised. CC is perhaps the best thing that's happened to music. Instead of listening to stuff that the record companies are telling me to listen to, I can get some really great content straight off the net. It's legal, I can contribute straight to the artists, and there's a load of variety there... > * Forget Joe-public. Personally I think that's a hard-sell, until we have a LOT more widespread participation. But that's something that may be addressed with more marketing. This was very-much a nerd-fest, and it seems those that where there did get a lot of enjoyment out of it. If Joe-pulic pitches up, I think anyone there would be more than happy to help out where & how they can, but we may end up twiddling our thumbs if we're going to wait for them. I don't think we can be passive in this area. I just think we need to be careful how we pitch this. Look at things from their perspective. It is a hard sell but I think it's worth it. Why shouldn't Joe Public start looking into FOSS and seeing the benefits? I was told several times to try not to come across as a hippy during all of this which is something that I think we need to take into consideration. Someone was saying that they had directed someone to Open Office in a Dick Smith store when they were sweating over the price of MS Office... It was practical advocacy and a good look at the options... > * Mini-event thoughout the year to raise FLOSS's visibility, and to promote the upcoming SFD event I'm hoping we can do things with UALUG here. Arrange installfests and that sort of thing. > * I think we can pretty-much forget a SFD in 2011, since the RWC is taking place at the same time (but that's a consideration for next year) Too early to be thinking about that... It'd be a pity not to as we'd hopefully have the momentum by then. There's already a game schedule right? We may be able to find a slot where there is no game... Regards, Nevyn. From vik at catalyst.net.nz Mon Sep 21 15:20:22 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Mon Sep 21 15:20:35 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Thanks For Software Freedom Day activities In-Reply-To: References: <4AB5E964.9080801@clear.net.nz> <6da08ade0909200443j416f951cmc0a8cf70aeba7662@mail.gmail.com> <4AB6A59B.1010002@catalyst.net.nz> <200909211027.16512.yorick_@openoffice.org> <4AB6B21E.7090903@catalyst.net.nz> <4AB6BA54.4070001@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <4AB6F0F6.2040002@catalyst.net.nz> On 21/09/09 Nevyn wrote: > You don't have a rough estimate of cost do you? Obviously people are > interested - it's just a matter of being able to get one (or stepping > through how to make one - this is probably a slightly bigger > barrier)... Excluding the printed bits, you're looking at about NZ$500-600 of motors, drivers, sensors, nuts, bolts, connectors, steel, bearings, belts etc. for the V2.0 To print a set of parts costs me $100+ for just materials and electricity to run the workshop - obviously I have to add wear & tear on my machine etc. It also takes me a while to do - 2-4 weeks solid (I can't print at night for silly reasons like noise and wife...) I hope to have a lasercut set that will cost more, but will replace a lot of steel. I reckon that'll cost around $300 so the total bill would be the right side of $1,000 I must add that I'm doing real skinflint optimisation on the design, so I use plastic skids, polymorph to ensure a snug fit on some parts, single piece MDF deposition bed etc. It won't run quite as fast as the "official" design with all its expensive bearings but I don't think that really matters at this stage. Vik :v) From toniosm at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 15:33:30 2009 From: toniosm at gmail.com (Antonio San Miguel) Date: Mon Sep 21 15:33:39 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD09 Pictures Message-ID: <99ab0c040909202033u5199f7dfydb8426ea4c79744a@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone! Hope everybody had a fun time at yesterday's SFD event, cause I sure did! Anyway, photos are up and can be found here! (photos by me and Kennedy) Cheers and thanks for the great time, Tony From jonathan.opperman at xtra.co.nz Tue Sep 22 09:39:54 2009 From: jonathan.opperman at xtra.co.nz (Jonathan Opperman) Date: Tue Sep 22 09:40:04 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD09 Pictures In-Reply-To: <99ab0c040909202033u5199f7dfydb8426ea4c79744a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <321189.85151.qm@web96011.mail.aue.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 21/9/09, Antonio San Miguel wrote: From: Antonio San Miguel Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD09 Pictures To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" Received: Monday, 21 September, 2009, 3:33 PM Hi everyone! Hope everybody had a fun time at yesterday's SFD event, cause I sure did! Anyway, photos are up and can be found here! (photos by me and Kennedy) Cheers and thanks for the great time, Tony [....] ? From jonathan.opperman at xtra.co.nz Tue Sep 22 09:46:03 2009 From: jonathan.opperman at xtra.co.nz (Jonathan Opperman) Date: Tue Sep 22 09:46:12 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD09 Pictures Message-ID: <660591.51947.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 21/9/09, Antonio San Miguel wrote: > >From: Antonio San Miguel >Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD09 Pictures >?To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" >Received: Monday, 21 September, 2009, 3:33 PM > >Hi everyone! > >Hope everybody had a fun time at yesterday's SFD event, cause I sure did! >Anyway, photos are up and can be found >here! >(photos by me and Kennedy) > >Cheers and thanks for the great time, >Tony [...] Hey Guys, hmmmm, yahoo xtra mail html mail by default, yuck....what I wanted to say was, wish that I had jointed the this LUG a while ago, looks like SFD was a fun day. Been missing being part of a LUG, GLUG is a little far away for me now. Anyways, wanted to ask if there's gatherings like that on a regular basis? Also wanted to ask for some advise on writing LPI exams in NZ? In SA the exams was held about twice to three times a year, depending on the interest, i've not seen anything about writing LPI exams in NZ? Been wanting to write these exams for a while now, just never had the time to get around to do it. Any ways, good to be part of this list, i can hopefully give back something to the Auckland/NZ community through this :) Regards, Jonathan From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Sep 22 11:37:55 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Sep 22 11:38:03 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD09 Pictures In-Reply-To: <660591.51947.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <660591.51947.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Jonathan Opperman wrote: > Hey Guys, > > hmmmm, yahoo xtra mail html mail by default, yuck....what I wanted to say was, wish that I had jointed the this LUG a while ago, looks like SFD was a fun day. Been missing being part of a LUG, GLUG is a little far away for me now. Anyways, wanted to ask if there's gatherings like that on a regular basis? Also wanted to ask for some advise on writing LPI exams in NZ? > > In SA the exams was held about twice to three times a year, depending on the interest, i've not seen anything about writing LPI exams in NZ? Been wanting to write these exams for a while now, just never had the time to get around to do it. > > Any ways, good to be part of this list, i can hopefully give back something to the Auckland/NZ community through this :) > > Regards, > Jonathan Hi Jonathan, Welcome to the list. We hold a meeting every month - the first Monday (I've got to get on to organising the next one - I'll try and have something to announce by the end of today). We normally have at least one speaker though we sometimes have little mini presentations during the meeting as well. If we don't have a speaker, we go down to the pub, figure out what we want to hear about and who might be able to give presentations over a beer. The pub meetings only really happen once every 6 months or so though I recently learnt that some people thought that our last venue was a pub (it was a video gaming lounge - there was beer, but it wasn't the focus of the place). We're now using the conference room at Open Systems Specialists which is an open source company. They've been discussed quite extensively as they're the ones who implemented the system at Albany Senior High School - one of two schools that I know of that has implemented Linux throughout the schools. The schools bit being of interest at the moment as I'm trying to start a community of educators and geeks to try and plug any holes that schools may have with using open source (such as administration software) and provide a place for the sharing of information. I'm also looking at other technologies other than just computers. i.e. Arduino's and the RepRap as learning tools. The site is sort of up though there's loads of work to be done: points.org.nz As for writing LPI exams - I wasn't entirely sure how that was done. In fact, when I say not entirely, I really mean, I really didn't know people could just do it. I was thinking at one stage it'd make for a great way to do some fund raising to hold kind of a study session on the LPI exams. Probably well within the domain of UALUG (University of Auckland LUG)... See if we could get a couple of people who've sat and passed the LPI exams to mentor a room full of people off the list who are aiming to do the same. That way we advance professionalism in Linux within our own little community.... Regards, Nevyn. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 22 12:05:56 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Sep 22 12:06:06 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD09 Pictures In-Reply-To: <660591.51947.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <660591.51947.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <523206.8685.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> More meneer. Welkom (lyk my ons groei maar soos bossies hier!). > Been missing being part of a LUG. Where you based? There are a few LUG's about (found my ZA LUG's to be pretty dead @ last look), so if you either check the NZLUG site, or ask around a bit, you may get more info Generally-speaking, there's a company or 2 in nearly every major city/town that specializes in FLOSS, so they may be able to give you a bit of info too > Also wanted to ask for some advise on writing LPI exams in NZ? I've also tried looking into this, and I've not received a satisfactory answer. OSS might be able to better assist you with this, but I'll likely try my hand at the LPI again on my next trip to ZA (either @ the CSIR, again, or via Mark @ JumpingBean). There's also the off-chance that there may be LPI's @ the linux.conf.au next year We hope to continue these community events (AuckLUG 1 Mon of month, ArduinoUG @ 1st Thu, & NZISIG @ last Thu), to varying degrees, so please be sure to engage with your local group, or tap us for a beer when you're in town - Jaco From yorick_ at openoffice.org Tue Sep 22 12:30:26 2009 From: yorick_ at openoffice.org (Graham Lauder) Date: Tue Sep 22 12:33:47 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD09 Pictures In-Reply-To: <523206.8685.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <660591.51947.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <523206.8685.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200909221230.27292.yorick_@openoffice.org> On Tuesday 22 September 2009 12:05:56 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > More meneer. Welkom (lyk my ons groei maar soos bossies hier!). > > > Been missing being part of a LUG. > > Where you based? There are a few LUG's about (found my ZA LUG's to be > pretty dead @ last look), so if you either check the NZLUG site, or ask > around a bit, you may get more info Generally-speaking, there's a company > or 2 in nearly every major city/town that specializes in FLOSS, so they may > be able to give you a bit of info too > > > Also wanted to ask for some advise on writing LPI exams in NZ? > > I've also tried looking into this, and I've not received a satisfactory > answer. OSS might be able to better assist you with this, but I'll likely > try my hand at the LPI again on my next trip to ZA (either @ the CSIR, > again, or via Mark @ JumpingBean). There's also the off-chance that there > may be LPI's @ the linux.conf.au next year Plan for it carefully if you're going to do it at conference, I booked ahead and then found it impossible to fit around other commitments. The Ames Institute up on Upper Queen St is an LPI certified examiner but they only do it as part of other courses. However I dare say that if we could get a number of people together they might run an LPI assessment. -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. Ambassador for OpenSUSE Linux on your Desktop INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 22 12:39:04 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Sep 22 12:39:15 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD09 Pictures In-Reply-To: <200909221230.27292.yorick_@openoffice.org> References: <660591.51947.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <523206.8685.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200909221230.27292.yorick_@openoffice.org> Message-ID: <767936.34527.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > However I dare say that if we could get a number of people together they might run an LPI assessment. Might be the best course of action (maybe as part of the Koala launch? but I'm likely not here for that) Disto's have advanced & changed quite a bit since my last sitting & tech differs from the textbooks (using LPI in a Nutshell, 2nd ed) - J From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Sep 22 16:36:20 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Sep 22 16:36:35 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Speakers?... Message-ID: Hi Guys, Glen's on Holiday during our next AuckLUG meeting. We still get the use of OSS as a venue, but we need a speaker.. Also, it's probably Jaco's last meeting for us for a little while (he's abandoning us for unimportant stuff like getting married). Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Sep 22 19:38:12 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Sep 22 19:38:22 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Speakers?... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Nevyn wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Glen's on Holiday during our next AuckLUG meeting. We still get the > use of OSS as a venue, but we need a speaker.. > > Also, it's probably Jaco's last meeting for us for a little while > (he's abandoning us for unimportant stuff like getting married). > > Regards, > Nevyn. Oh, also I've been talking to the Vice Principal at ASHS. We have a venue for a North Shore meeting sometime inthe future. Regards, Nevyn From jonathan.opperman at xtra.co.nz Tue Sep 22 20:55:18 2009 From: jonathan.opperman at xtra.co.nz (Jonathan Opperman) Date: Tue Sep 22 20:54:44 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD09 Pictures In-Reply-To: References: <660591.51947.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <65BB54EB-9471-4948-B84A-F53167F70FD5@xtra.co.nz> On 2009/09/22, at 11:37 AM, Nevyn wrote: > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Jonathan Opperman > wrote: >> Hey Guys, >> >> hmmmm, yahoo xtra mail html mail by default, yuck....what I wanted >> to say was, wish that I had jointed the this LUG a while ago, looks >> like SFD was a fun day. Been missing being part of a LUG, GLUG is a >> little far away for me now. Anyways, wanted to ask if there's >> gatherings like that on a regular basis? Also wanted to ask for >> some advise on writing LPI exams in NZ? >> >> In SA the exams was held about twice to three times a year, >> depending on the interest, i've not seen anything about writing LPI >> exams in NZ? Been wanting to write these exams for a while now, >> just never had the time to get around to do it. >> >> Any ways, good to be part of this list, i can hopefully give back >> something to the Auckland/NZ community through this :) >> >> Regards, >> Jonathan > > Hi Jonathan, > > Welcome to the list. We hold a meeting every month - the first Monday > (I've got to get on to organising the next one - I'll try and have > something to announce by the end of today). We normally have at least > one speaker though we sometimes have little mini presentations during > the meeting as well. > > If we don't have a speaker, we go down to the pub, figure out what we > want to hear about and who might be able to give presentations over a > beer. The pub meetings only really happen once every 6 months or so > though I recently learnt that some people thought that our last venue > was a pub (it was a video gaming lounge - there was beer, but it > wasn't the focus of the place). Sounds awesome :) > > We're now using the conference room at Open Systems Specialists which > is an open source company. They've been discussed quite extensively > as they're the ones who implemented the system at Albany Senior High > School - one of two schools that I know of that has implemented Linux > throughout the schools. The schools bit being of interest at the > moment as I'm trying to start a community of educators and geeks to > try and plug any holes that schools may have with using open source > (such as administration software) and provide a place for the sharing > of information. I'm also looking at other technologies other than just > computers. i.e. Arduino's and the RepRap as learning tools. The site > is sort of up though there's loads of work to be done: points.org.nz Ta for the info, know exactly where OSS is :). > As for writing LPI exams - I wasn't entirely sure how that was done. > In fact, when I say not entirely, I really mean, I really didn't know > people could just do it. I was thinking at one stage it'd make for a > great way to do some fund raising to hold kind of a study session on > the LPI exams. Probably well within the domain of UALUG (University of > Auckland LUG)... See if we could get a couple of people who've sat and > passed the LPI exams to mentor a room full of people off the list who > are aiming to do the same. That way we advance professionalism in > Linux within our own little community... Ta for all the info, having the experience counts at the end of the day but having that paper with LPI level1/2 is worth a bit to me, more than any MCSE etc etc etc :) Looking forward to meeting you guys at the next gathering.... Regards, Jonathan From jonathan.opperman at xtra.co.nz Tue Sep 22 20:58:58 2009 From: jonathan.opperman at xtra.co.nz (Jonathan Opperman) Date: Tue Sep 22 20:57:29 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD09 Pictures In-Reply-To: <523206.8685.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <660591.51947.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <523206.8685.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 2009/09/22, at 12:05 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > More meneer. Welkom (lyk my ons groei maar soos bossies hier!). Goeie naand meneer, dankie :).....ja nee onkruid vergaan nie...hehehee >> Been missing being part of a LUG. > Where you based? There are a few LUG's about (found my ZA LUG's to > be pretty dead @ last look), so if you either check the NZLUG site, > or ask around a bit, you may get more info > Generally-speaking, there's a company or 2 in nearly every major > city/town that specializes in FLOSS, so they may be able to give you > a bit of info too Based in Auckland, working in the CBD just off Symonds street, staying in (no not the north shore :)) Pakuranga. >> Also wanted to ask for some advise on writing LPI exams in NZ? > I've also tried looking into this, and I've not received a > satisfactory answer. > OSS might be able to better assist you with this, but I'll likely > try my hand at the LPI again on my next trip to ZA (either @ the > CSIR, again, or via Mark @ JumpingBean). > There's also the off-chance that there may be LPI's @ the > linux.conf.au next year Ta for the info. > > We hope to continue these community events (AuckLUG 1 Mon of month, > ArduinoUG @ 1st Thu, & NZISIG @ last Thu), to varying degrees, so > please be sure to engage with your local group, or tap us for a beer > when you're in town Would be awesome to meet you guys, been in Auckland for just over two years and decided to meet people with the same interests/passion to what I have for open source/Linux...../bsd's Regards, Jonathan From jonathan.opperman at xtra.co.nz Tue Sep 22 21:00:05 2009 From: jonathan.opperman at xtra.co.nz (Jonathan Opperman) Date: Tue Sep 22 20:58:20 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD09 Pictures In-Reply-To: <200909221230.27292.yorick_@openoffice.org> References: <660591.51947.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <523206.8685.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200909221230.27292.yorick_@openoffice.org> Message-ID: <2B2D6428-7FD7-47B7-8D57-4072AA5ABB24@xtra.co.nz> On 2009/09/22, at 12:30 PM, Graham Lauder wrote: > On Tuesday 22 September 2009 12:05:56 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >> More meneer. Welkom (lyk my ons groei maar soos bossies hier!). >> >>> Been missing being part of a LUG. >> >> Where you based? There are a few LUG's about (found my ZA LUG's to be >> pretty dead @ last look), so if you either check the NZLUG site, or >> ask >> around a bit, you may get more info Generally-speaking, there's a >> company >> or 2 in nearly every major city/town that specializes in FLOSS, so >> they may >> be able to give you a bit of info too >> >>> Also wanted to ask for some advise on writing LPI exams in NZ? >> >> I've also tried looking into this, and I've not received a >> satisfactory >> answer. OSS might be able to better assist you with this, but I'll >> likely >> try my hand at the LPI again on my next trip to ZA (either @ the >> CSIR, >> again, or via Mark @ JumpingBean). There's also the off-chance that >> there >> may be LPI's @ the linux.conf.au next year > > Plan for it carefully if you're going to do it at conference, I > booked ahead > and then found it impossible to fit around other commitments. > > The Ames Institute up on Upper Queen St is an LPI certified examiner > but they > only do it as part of other courses. However I dare say that if we > could get > a number of people together they might run an LPI assessment. Thanks for the info Graham, this sounds like a good idea, will investigate this further. Regards, Jonathan From jonathan.opperman at xtra.co.nz Tue Sep 22 21:00:53 2009 From: jonathan.opperman at xtra.co.nz (Jonathan Opperman) Date: Tue Sep 22 20:59:00 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Speakers?... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <134BA6D0-4B90-4682-AB98-3BAC37DD0C4A@xtra.co.nz> On 2009/09/22, at 4:36 PM, Nevyn wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Glen's on Holiday during our next AuckLUG meeting. We still get the > use of OSS as a venue, but we need a speaker.. > > Also, it's probably Jaco's last meeting for us for a little while > (he's abandoning us for unimportant stuff like getting married). heheh, congratulations Jaco. From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Sep 23 08:52:14 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Sep 23 08:52:33 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Speakers?... In-Reply-To: <134BA6D0-4B90-4682-AB98-3BAC37DD0C4A@xtra.co.nz> References: <134BA6D0-4B90-4682-AB98-3BAC37DD0C4A@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <4AB938FE.5080308@catalyst.net.nz> On 22/09/09 Jonathan Opperman wrote: > > Also, it's probably Jaco's last meeting for us for a little while > > (he's abandoning us for unimportant stuff like getting married). > > heheh, congratulations Jaco. He's a glutton for punishment :) All the best to you both! Vik :v) From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 23 11:27:08 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Sep 23 11:27:19 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Speakers?... In-Reply-To: <4AB938FE.5080308@catalyst.net.nz> References: <134BA6D0-4B90-4682-AB98-3BAC37DD0C4A@xtra.co.nz> <4AB938FE.5080308@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <24085.51606.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >He's a glutton for punishment :) hehehe. thanks guys. I'll get to see you guys @ the next meeting (leaving mid-Oct), but after that it gets a bit mad: KiwiCon, year-end, linux.conf.au, etc, etc. As a lead from the SFD, we may have a few other willing speakers, including talks on ethics (whatever the various opinions & takes on those are; think it's best discussed over a few beers), as well as FLOSS & Money. Just a reminder: RMS is coming to town very soon (this week or next week @ the Albany Uni campus), so if you missed him last time, now's your chance. Cheers -J From robin.paulson at gmail.com Wed Sep 23 11:37:56 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Wed Sep 23 11:38:06 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Speakers?... In-Reply-To: <24085.51606.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <134BA6D0-4B90-4682-AB98-3BAC37DD0C4A@xtra.co.nz> <4AB938FE.5080308@catalyst.net.nz> <24085.51606.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770909221637r7c185bc1h3629be8a7aa9d03a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/23 Jaco van der Merwe : > As a lead from the SFD, we may have a few other willing speakers, including talks on ethics (whatever the various opinions & takes on those are; think it's best discussed over a few beers), as well as FLOSS & Money. > that's interesting. what aspects of ethics are we talking about? is it rms's usual 'proprietary software is evil' type stuff, or something else? From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 23 12:14:46 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Sep 23 12:14:56 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Speakers?... In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770909221637r7c185bc1h3629be8a7aa9d03a@mail.gmail.com> References: <134BA6D0-4B90-4682-AB98-3BAC37DD0C4A@xtra.co.nz> <4AB938FE.5080308@catalyst.net.nz> <24085.51606.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2770909221637r7c185bc1h3629be8a7aa9d03a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <828536.87231.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >that's interesting. what aspects of ethics are we talking about? is it >rms's usual 'proprietary software is evil' type stuff, or something >else? Not quite sure; I personally don't subscribe to RMS's personal brand of rhetoric, but I understand where he's coming from. There are a few projects/discussions around at present dealing with applying the FLOSS-philosophy to other aspects of culture & society, so it may be interesting to haggle over it over a few brewski's - J From yorick_ at openoffice.org Wed Sep 23 17:14:37 2009 From: yorick_ at openoffice.org (Graham Lauder) Date: Wed Sep 23 17:14:54 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Speakers?... In-Reply-To: <828536.87231.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <2f3aa2770909221637r7c185bc1h3629be8a7aa9d03a@mail.gmail.com> <828536.87231.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200909231714.37575.yorick_@openoffice.org> On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:14:46 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > >that's interesting. what aspects of ethics are we talking about? is it > >rms's usual 'proprietary software is evil' type stuff, or something > >else? > > Not quite sure; I personally don't subscribe to RMS's personal brand of > rhetoric, but I understand where he's coming from. There are a few > projects/discussions around at present dealing with applying the > FLOSS-philosophy to other aspects of culture & society, so it may be > interesting to haggle over it over a few brewski's > > - J > This trip he is specifically talking about Software Patents, hence the timing Cheers G -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Sep 23 21:33:29 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Sep 23 21:33:43 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Speakers?... In-Reply-To: <828536.87231.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <134BA6D0-4B90-4682-AB98-3BAC37DD0C4A@xtra.co.nz> <4AB938FE.5080308@catalyst.net.nz> <24085.51606.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2770909221637r7c185bc1h3629be8a7aa9d03a@mail.gmail.com> <828536.87231.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >>that's interesting. what aspects of ethics are we talking about? is it >>rms's usual 'proprietary software is evil' type stuff, or something >>else? > > Not quite sure; I personally don't subscribe to RMS's personal brand of rhetoric, but I understand where he's coming from. > There are a few projects/discussions around at present dealing with applying the FLOSS-philosophy to other aspects of culture & society, so it may be interesting to haggle over it over a few brewski's > > - J Well it looks like we don't have a speaker - which leads me to go to the fall back position of a pub meeting. I'm a little worried that the pub meetings exclude some people so would like to hear any objections. Any at all.... Galbraith's is probably the most likely pick - I'll see if we can get the space around the brewing tanks. Regards, Nevyn. From blakjak at blakjak.net Thu Sep 24 09:11:13 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Thu Sep 24 09:11:27 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Speakers?... In-Reply-To: References: <134BA6D0-4B90-4682-AB98-3BAC37DD0C4A@xtra.co.nz> <4AB938FE.5080308@catalyst.net.nz> <24085.51606.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2770909221637r7c185bc1h3629be8a7aa9d03a@mail.gmail.com> <828536.87231.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, Nevyn wrote: > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Jaco van der Merwe > wrote: >>> that's interesting. what aspects of ethics are we talking about? is it >>> rms's usual 'proprietary software is evil' type stuff, or something >>> else? >> >> Not quite sure; I personally don't subscribe to RMS's personal brand of rhetoric, but I understand where he's coming from. >> There are a few projects/discussions around at present dealing with applying the FLOSS-philosophy to other aspects of culture & society, so it may be interesting to haggle over it over a few brewski's >> >> - J > > Well it looks like we don't have a speaker - which leads me to go to > the fall back position of a pub meeting. I'm a little worried that the > pub meetings exclude some people so would like to hear any objections. > Any at all.... > > Galbraith's is probably the most likely pick - I'll see if we can get > the space around the brewing tanks. Coupla ideas. 1. Lightning talks. People come prepared to speak for ~5-10 minutes on a subject of their own choosing. Could be a quick demo or preso or an interactive session on a subject... 2. Workshop night. Open opportunity for people to bring their machines in for help with their current issue. Lack of a specific guest speaker shouldn't be a drama on the odd occaision. ... From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Thu Sep 24 09:40:38 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Sep 24 09:40:48 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Speakers?... In-Reply-To: References: <134BA6D0-4B90-4682-AB98-3BAC37DD0C4A@xtra.co.nz> <4AB938FE.5080308@catalyst.net.nz> <24085.51606.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2770909221637r7c185bc1h3629be8a7aa9d03a@mail.gmail.com> <828536.87231.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <190107.13054.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >2. Workshop night. Open opportunity for people to bring their machines in >for help with their current issue. I like that idea. The SFD was also supposed to be bit of a workshop-ish event, but we never got around to actually sit down & do anything productive (there was WAY to much interesting things vying for attention). What interested me a bit was Graham's LTSP/PXE (netboot) setup, but I've not yet had chance to get around to playing with that (pretty key tech in MythBuntu, as I understand it). Anyone intamately familiar with this? Of course, a 'net connection might be handy too... - J From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Sep 24 11:13:58 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Sep 24 11:14:07 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Speakers?... In-Reply-To: References: <134BA6D0-4B90-4682-AB98-3BAC37DD0C4A@xtra.co.nz> <4AB938FE.5080308@catalyst.net.nz> <24085.51606.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2770909221637r7c185bc1h3629be8a7aa9d03a@mail.gmail.com> <828536.87231.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Mark Foster wrote: > > Coupla ideas. > > 1. Lightning talks. People come prepared to speak for ~5-10 minutes on a > subject of their own choosing. Could be a quick demo or preso or an > interactive session on a subject... > > 2. Workshop night. Open opportunity for people to bring their machines in > for help with their current issue. > > > Lack of a specific guest speaker shouldn't be a drama on the odd occaision. > ... It's really not that big an issue. The pub meetings have proved to be productive in the past. What I really need is an indication of what people want.... (Now would be a good time to speak up everyone...) From vik at catalyst.net.nz Thu Sep 24 11:18:26 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Thu Sep 24 11:18:36 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Speakers?... In-Reply-To: References: <134BA6D0-4B90-4682-AB98-3BAC37DD0C4A@xtra.co.nz> <4AB938FE.5080308@catalyst.net.nz> <24085.51606.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2770909221637r7c185bc1h3629be8a7aa9d03a@mail.gmail.com> <828536.87231.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4ABAACC2.6050004@catalyst.net.nz> On 24/09/09 Nevyn wrote: > It's really not that big an issue. The pub meetings have proved to be > productive in the past. What I really need is an indication of what > people want.... (Now would be a good time to speak up everyone...) Mine's a pint of "Resurrection" thanks :P Vik :v) From davemc at mcpond.co.nz Thu Sep 24 21:11:23 2009 From: davemc at mcpond.co.nz (David McNeill) Date: Thu Sep 24 21:11:32 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: pxe In-Reply-To: <20090924000704.F0E9C244184@hood.interspeed.co.nz> References: <20090924000704.F0E9C244184@hood.interspeed.co.nz> Message-ID: <4ABB37BB.9020708@mcpond.co.nz> > What interested me a bit was Graham's LTSP/PXE (netboot) setup, but I've not yet had chance to get around to playing with > that (pretty key tech in MythBuntu, as I understand it). > Anyone intamately familiar with this? Yes, LTSP/PXE very familiar, can demo/train/lightening talk on laptop/vmware > exclude some people so would like to hear any objections. Mondays are an exclusion full stop. David -- David McNeill davemc@mcpond.co.nz McPond Software Open Source Support and Development www.mcpond.co.nz From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Sep 24 22:03:50 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Sep 24 22:12:15 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: pxe In-Reply-To: <4ABB37BB.9020708@mcpond.co.nz> References: <20090924000704.F0E9C244184@hood.interspeed.co.nz> <4ABB37BB.9020708@mcpond.co.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:11 PM, David McNeill wrote: >> What interested me a bit was Graham's LTSP/PXE (netboot) setup, but I've >> not yet had chance to get around to playing with > that (pretty key tech in >> MythBuntu, as I understand it). > >> Anyone intamately familiar with this? > > Yes, LTSP/PXE very familiar, can demo/train/lightening talk on laptop/vmware > >> ?exclude some people so would like to hear any objections. > > Mondays are an exclusion full stop. > > David This was what the meeting was supposed to be about - Glen was going to show us some pxe funness. I'm interested in an Installfest type box. Boot your computer from pxe, choose which distro you want, leave it to do it's "thang".. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Fri Sep 25 09:39:11 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Fri Sep 25 09:39:22 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: pxe In-Reply-To: References: <20090924000704.F0E9C244184@hood.interspeed.co.nz> <4ABB37BB.9020708@mcpond.co.nz> Message-ID: <164087.82710.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Mondays are an exclusion full stop. I'm flexible. Keep in mind that the Thursday following the regularly-scheduled AuckLUG is the Arduino workshop, nearly any other day is fine (Friday, of course, is a no-go) >Boot your computer from pxe, choose which distro you want, leave it to do it's "thang".. I still have that repository cache on my Laptop, & the VM's are still functional, so I can volunteer it as a host, or to do some simple setups. Same goes for the eeePC; it's expendable - J From davemc at mcpond.co.nz Fri Sep 25 14:24:24 2009 From: davemc at mcpond.co.nz (David McNeill) Date: Fri Sep 25 14:24:25 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: pxe install In-Reply-To: <20090925000126.98EDC3326F7@arkos.interspeed.co.nz> References: <20090925000126.98EDC3326F7@arkos.interspeed.co.nz> Message-ID: <4ABC29D8.5040705@mcpond.co.nz> > I'm interested in an Installfest type box. > Boot your computer from pxe, choose which distro you want, leave it to > do it's "thang".. Yup, I have that working. Uses kickstart.cfg and is well documented in Ubuntu, pass on other distros. Turn on computer, select PXE at boot, come back later and distro is installed and ready to go. David. From gordonisnz at gmail.com Fri Sep 25 19:37:40 2009 From: gordonisnz at gmail.com (Gordon Stewart) Date: Fri Sep 25 19:38:11 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] DSE Wireless ADSL Router XH9950 Message-ID: <9a3273a00909250037g38d24610t27e3695bf72a48c9@mail.gmail.com> http://www.dse.co.nz/dse.shop/4abc6bd800eaca642740c0a87f3b0744/Product/View/XH9950WOOSH Hello. Does anyone have the above item, & Woosh ? Do you need a phone line ? I've got Woosh, I've just bought it today (above) - but I don't have a phone line - i have wireless... -- G Freecycle Auckland :- http://www.freecycle.org/ From simon at simongreen.name Fri Sep 25 20:17:40 2009 From: simon at simongreen.name (Simon Green) Date: Fri Sep 25 20:18:10 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] DSE Wireless ADSL Router XH9950 In-Reply-To: <9a3273a00909250037g38d24610t27e3695bf72a48c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a3273a00909250037g38d24610t27e3695bf72a48c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4d1940c20909250117q37d02ef1s123bc0d5386a7b72@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/25 Gordon Stewart > > http://www.dse.co.nz/dse.shop/4abc6bd800eaca642740c0a87f3b0744/Product/View/XH9950WOOSH > > Does anyone have the above item, & Woosh ? > > Do you need a phone line ? > > I've got Woosh, I've just bought it today (above) - but I don't have a > phone line - i have wireless... > The above device is an ADSL modem, so you will need to a phone line to use it. Woosh also have a wireless service (branded as Woosh Wireless), but that is separate from the ADSL products (and requires different hardware). -- simon From gordonisnz at gmail.com Fri Sep 25 20:28:47 2009 From: gordonisnz at gmail.com (Gordon Stewart) Date: Fri Sep 25 20:29:17 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] DSE Wireless ADSL Router XH9950 In-Reply-To: <4d1940c20909250117q37d02ef1s123bc0d5386a7b72@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a3273a00909250037g38d24610t27e3695bf72a48c9@mail.gmail.com> <4d1940c20909250117q37d02ef1s123bc0d5386a7b72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9a3273a00909250128n3f869977r882ad9dda7185cf2@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Simon Green wrote: > 2009/9/25 Gordon Stewart > > The above device is an ADSL modem, so you will need to a phone line to use > it. > > Woosh also have a wireless service (branded as Woosh Wireless), but that is > separate from the ADSL products (and requires different hardware). What do shop keepers (DSE) know about "wireless" ?? i'll just take it back on Monday... I've emailed tonight - Woosh directly to get a Woosh technician to come & install one... -- G Freecycle Auckland :- http://www.freecycle.org/ From nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz Fri Sep 25 20:34:48 2009 From: nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz (Glen Ogilvie) Date: Fri Sep 25 20:35:17 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: pxe In-Reply-To: References: <20090924000704.F0E9C244184@hood.interspeed.co.nz> <4ABB37BB.9020708@mcpond.co.nz> Message-ID: <200909252035.00409.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Nevyn wrote: > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:11 PM, David McNeill wrote: > >> What interested me a bit was Graham's LTSP/PXE (netboot) setup, but I've > >> not yet had chance to get around to playing with > that (pretty key tech > >> in MythBuntu, as I understand it). > >> > >> Anyone intamately familiar with this? > > > > Yes, LTSP/PXE very familiar, can demo/train/lightening talk on > > laptop/vmware > > > >> exclude some people so would like to hear any objections. > > > > Mondays are an exclusion full stop. > > > > David > > This was what the meeting was supposed to be about - Glen was going to > show us some pxe funness. I'm interested in an Installfest type box. > Boot your computer from pxe, choose which distro you want, leave it to > do it's "thang".. I'll do a PXE presentation for the November meeting. Sorry, Holiday booked during this meeting. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/aucklug/attachments/20090925/6e1bc012/attachment.pgp From nevynh at gmail.com Sat Sep 26 08:46:52 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sat Sep 26 08:47:02 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] DSE Wireless ADSL Router XH9950 In-Reply-To: <9a3273a00909250128n3f869977r882ad9dda7185cf2@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a3273a00909250037g38d24610t27e3695bf72a48c9@mail.gmail.com> <4d1940c20909250117q37d02ef1s123bc0d5386a7b72@mail.gmail.com> <9a3273a00909250128n3f869977r882ad9dda7185cf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Gordon Stewart wrote: > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Simon Green wrote: >> 2009/9/25 Gordon Stewart >> >> The above device is an ADSL modem, so you will need to a phone line to use >> it. >> >> Woosh also have a wireless service (branded as Woosh Wireless), but that is >> separate from the ADSL products (and requires different hardware). > > > What do shop keepers (DSE) know about "wireless" ?? > > i'll just take it back on Monday... > > I've emailed tonight - Woosh directly to get a Woosh technician to > come & install one... > > -- > G > Freecycle Auckland :- > http://www.freecycle.org/ Small misunderstanding I think. The ADSL router also has a wireless router on it. It probably feels a little strange but:- Woosh comes in wireless but then, from the looks of it, you want to make it wireless? In which case, that router will do what you want it to do - it's just that it may be cheaper (but potentially harder) to find something without the ADSL router part... From gordonisnz at gmail.com Sat Sep 26 12:58:46 2009 From: gordonisnz at gmail.com (Gordon Stewart) Date: Sat Sep 26 12:59:15 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] DSE Wireless ADSL Router XH9950 In-Reply-To: References: <9a3273a00909250037g38d24610t27e3695bf72a48c9@mail.gmail.com> <4d1940c20909250117q37d02ef1s123bc0d5386a7b72@mail.gmail.com> <9a3273a00909250128n3f869977r882ad9dda7185cf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9a3273a00909251758u7a70a72cmf1206703869e6a32@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Nevyn wrote: > Small misunderstanding I think. The ADSL router also has a wireless > router on it. It probably feels a little strange but:- Woosh comes in > wireless but then, from the looks of it, you want to make it wireless? > > In which case, that router will do what you want it to do - it's just > that it may be cheaper (but potentially harder) to find something > without the ADSL router part... I'll wait for the Woosh tech people to pop by / contact me... (its just a slow process) - i now have 2 routers & Pc's aren't connected... -- G Freecycle Auckland :- http://www.freecycle.org/ From robin.paulson at gmail.com Mon Sep 28 21:28:59 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Mon Sep 28 21:29:11 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] simple osm contribution Message-ID: <2f3aa2770909280228r4b6cc36fk457f00a923e2bfa1@mail.gmail.com> i recall jaco asking about something that could do this a few weeks back. it's a very simple app for letting people conribute to osm. looks like it runs on the iphone, and probably some others too http://mapzen.cloudmade.com/ cheers From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 29 08:25:31 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Sep 29 08:25:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] simple osm contribution In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770909280228r4b6cc36fk457f00a923e2bfa1@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770909280228r4b6cc36fk457f00a923e2bfa1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <877418.10203.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >i recall jaco asking about something that could do this a few weeks Sweet. Thanks for info - J From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Sep 29 12:54:45 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Sep 29 12:54:55 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Speakers?... In-Reply-To: <4ABAACC2.6050004@catalyst.net.nz> References: <134BA6D0-4B90-4682-AB98-3BAC37DD0C4A@xtra.co.nz> <4AB938FE.5080308@catalyst.net.nz> <24085.51606.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2f3aa2770909221637r7c185bc1h3629be8a7aa9d03a@mail.gmail.com> <828536.87231.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4ABAACC2.6050004@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Vik Olliver wrote: > On 24/09/09 Nevyn wrote: >> It's really not that big an issue. The pub meetings have proved to be >> productive in the past. What I really need is an indication of what >> people want.... (Now would be a good time to speak up everyone...) > > Mine's a pint of "Resurrection" thanks ?:P > > Vik :v) Right... decision time... Seeing as there were no big objections to a pub meeting: Galbraith's it is. General meet and chat about life the universe and everything. I've got to try and get a hold of Chill and see if we can do a follow up to the asterix talk we had earlier this year. Regards, Nevyn. From zed at zed.net.nz Tue Sep 29 19:38:31 2009 From: zed at zed.net.nz (zed) Date: Tue Sep 29 19:38:47 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] For attention of Nevyn ... Message-ID: Hello Nevyn I'm a lurker on this mailing list and find the discussions and news very interesting. Recently I burnt and had printed a number of DVDs for LinuxMint v7.0 "Gloria" and would like to offer 25 to ALUG at no cost. If you are interested, please email me an address to which I may post them. Regards Zed -- zed From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Sep 29 21:00:00 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Sep 29 21:01:26 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] For attention of Nevyn ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:38 PM, zed wrote: > Hello Nevyn > > I'm a lurker on this mailing list and find the discussions and news very > interesting. > > Recently I burnt and had printed a number of DVDs for LinuxMint v7.0 > "Gloria" and would like to offer 25 to ALUG at no cost. > > If you are interested, please email me an address to which I may post them. > > Regards > > Zed Hi Zed, I've never used LinuxMint but have heard great things. They have an interesting history in that back... 3 years ago I think? they got in trouble with the FSF for including the proprietary Nvidia drivers with the distribution as it violated a license or something. I always thought it was a damn good approach - make things easy for the end user. My opinion may have changed just a little - i.e. it should be practical first, but also adhere to the GPL philosophies. I'm not quite sure how to approach this. You may have noticed that I seem to be a draconian type figure on the list - constantly having to make the decisions for the list because there aren't decisions being made otherwise - so I am trying to step away a little and have the community come to a consensus on whatever. Jaco refers to this as trying to herd cats. >From the list, I think that probably more than half of the members are lurkers. Some of those come to the meetings but there are probably only around 20 odd people on the list who actually speak up. You've also got the floaters - Chilling Silence and Martin Kealy are two such examples who grace us with their presence every now and again. For the meetings, it's the same people coming to all the meetings. They may not necessarily be the vocal ones on the list, but do attend the meetings on a regular basis. In short I don't think I've got the means to distribute the disks. Perhaps if you came to a meeting and offered them out? We normally have around 20 people per meeting. For the pub ones we normally get around 10 people but it's a great opportunity to come along and meet people given the smaller group. We rant and rave and talk bollocks and discuss things like why people should care if their car stereo is running Linux or something else etc. but some really useful stuff comes out as well such as who to talk to about doing talks on whatever. Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Sep 29 21:03:47 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Sep 29 21:03:58 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] For attention of Nevyn ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Nevyn wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:38 PM, zed wrote: >> Hello Nevyn >> >> I'm a lurker on this mailing list and find the discussions and news very >> interesting. >> >> Recently I burnt and had printed a number of DVDs for LinuxMint v7.0 >> "Gloria" and would like to offer 25 to ALUG at no cost. >> >> If you are interested, please email me an address to which I may post them. >> >> Regards >> >> Zed > > Hi Zed, > > I've never used LinuxMint but have heard great things. They have an > interesting history in that back... 3 years ago I think? they got in > trouble with the FSF for including the proprietary Nvidia drivers with > the distribution as it violated a license or something. I always > thought it was a damn good approach - make things easy for the end > user. My opinion may have changed just a little - i.e. it should be > practical first, but also adhere to the GPL philosophies. > > I'm not quite sure how to approach this. You may have noticed that I > seem to be a draconian type figure on the list - constantly having to > make the decisions for the list because there aren't decisions being > made otherwise - so I am trying to step away a little and have the > community come to a consensus on whatever. Jaco refers to this as > trying to herd cats. > > From the list, I think that probably more than half of the members are > lurkers. Some of those come to the meetings but there are probably > only around 20 odd people on the list who actually speak up. You've > also got the floaters - Chilling Silence and Martin Kealy are two such > examples who grace us with their presence every now and again. For the > meetings, it's the same people coming to all the meetings. They may > not necessarily be the vocal ones on the list, but do attend the > meetings on a regular basis. > > In short I don't think I've got the means to distribute the disks. > > Perhaps if you came to a meeting and offered them out? We normally > have around 20 people per meeting. For the pub ones we normally get > around 10 people but it's a great opportunity to come along and meet > people given the smaller group. We rant and rave and talk bollocks and > discuss things like why people should care if their car stereo is > running Linux or something else etc. but some really useful stuff > comes out as well such as who to talk to about doing talks on > whatever. > > Regards, > Nevyn. Whoops - just realised I'm replying to the list and not to just Zed. I'm sure I would've moderated myself a little more if I'd realised... My apologies if I've offended everyone. Regards, Nevyn. From gordonisnz at gmail.com Tue Sep 29 21:08:08 2009 From: gordonisnz at gmail.com (Gordon Stewart) Date: Tue Sep 29 21:09:19 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] For attention of Nevyn ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9a3273a00909290208s8fa5ed1rf64d817341b8694d@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Nevyn wrote: > Whoops - just realised I'm replying to the list and not to just Zed. > I'm sure I would've moderated myself a little more if I'd realised... > My apologies if I've offended everyone. No worries, its fun to read... you realised you quoted the entire email too - when you apologised for sending it to the group...... :) (but Gmail hides it...) I'm a lurker... -- G Freecycle Auckland :- http://www.freecycle.org/ From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Sep 29 21:05:08 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Sep 29 21:11:54 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] For attention of Nevyn ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Nevyn wrote: > > Whoops - just realised I'm replying to the list and not to just Zed. > I'm sure I would've moderated myself a little more if I'd realised... > > My apologies if I've offended everyone. > > Regards, > Nevyn. Just cause I've got a shovel - doesn't mean I have to keep digging. Sorry - everyone should be anyone. From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Sep 29 21:24:10 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Sep 29 21:24:59 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] For attention of Nevyn ... In-Reply-To: <9a3273a00909290208s8fa5ed1rf64d817341b8694d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a3273a00909290208s8fa5ed1rf64d817341b8694d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Gordon Stewart wrote: > > No worries, its fun to read... > > you realised you quoted the entire email too - when you apologised for > sending it to the group...... ?:) > > (but Gmail hides it...) > > I'm a lurker... > > -- > G > Freecycle Auckland :- > http://www.freecycle.org/ Definitely a slap on the hand coming my way.... Funnily enough I was just having a beer with a friend trying to explain that mailing lists are nothing to be afraid of... Just because all the content is out there for everyone to see doesn't mean you should be afraid of it. I probably should be a little more aware of this fact though.... Regards, Nevyn. From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Sep 30 07:28:49 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Sep 30 07:29:03 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] For attention of Nevyn ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AC25FF1.7010303@catalyst.net.nz> On 29/09/09 Nevyn wrote: > Whoops - just realised I'm replying to the list and not to just Zed. > I'm sure I would've moderated myself a little more if I'd realised... > > My apologies if I've offended everyone. Only those with freaky Linux-powered car audio systems :) Vik :v) From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 30 08:52:01 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Sep 30 08:52:11 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] For attention of Nevyn ... In-Reply-To: References: <9a3273a00909290208s8fa5ed1rf64d817341b8694d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <942770.72911.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > I'm a lurker... Are trolls lurkers too? Rrraaarrrrgh :p > Freecycle Auckland :- > http://www.freecycle.org/ FreeCycle's pretty cool. May be something to be mindful of for the next SFD, along with the eDay project (too yearly yet?). Getting 'old' & 'broken' systems that would otherwise be thrown away, & repurpose them with a new OS & software (& donate them to a school or charity or something). I feel reusing an old system for a new purpose (i.e. firewall, voip gateway, thin-client, etc) is a much more effective means of recycling than breaking it down to it's elemental components re Mint; Vik tried clarifying the GPL & FLOSS/FOSS licencing a bit better for me after the OLPC event on Saturday (which was pretty cool, btw), so I have a very loose grasp of what it involves (with a good reference to bottled water). The GPL & FLOSS licences may permit the addition of non-libre components, but "at arm's length"; ie, best to have a 100%-libre base & then refer or facilitate the introduction of non-libre bits (like I use ubuntu-tweak to easily install goodies like skype on my 64-bit Mint, or use of ubuntu-restricted-extras for flash). Compiling GPL'd compinents into a system for distribution as a monolitic system is not permitted. Have I got it right? I suspect that that may be half of the current Android may be about this: the Android OS itself is free & open (FLOSS), but they've included (currently) closed-source bits & pieces in the distro; maps, gtalk, etc. (but again, like Nevyn said, it's all about the user-experience, and the technology/legality my be a secondary consideration) I think they may be working on a new dev build that removes these components, in order to provide to TOTALLY free build Anyhow...back to work -J From thetoolman at gmail.com Wed Sep 30 10:52:54 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Wed Sep 30 10:53:09 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] For attention of Nevyn ... In-Reply-To: <4AC25FF1.7010303@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4AC25FF1.7010303@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: I love my linux powered car audio, but I couldn't find anything offensive in this post ... On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Vik Olliver wrote: > On 29/09/09 Nevyn wrote: > > Whoops - just realised I'm replying to the list and not to just Zed. > > I'm sure I would've moderated myself a little more if I'd realised... > > > > My apologies if I've offended everyone. > > Only those with freaky Linux-powered car audio systems :) > > Vik :v) > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Sep 30 10:55:58 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Sep 30 10:56:09 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] For attention of Nevyn ... In-Reply-To: References: <4AC25FF1.7010303@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <4AC2907E.7000002@catalyst.net.nz> On 30/09/09 Tim Toolman wrote: > I love my linux powered car audio, but I couldn't find anything > offensive in this post ... Don't worry. I'll think of something. Vik :v) From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Sep 30 11:37:49 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Sep 30 11:38:10 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] For attention of Nevyn ... In-Reply-To: <4AC2907E.7000002@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4AC25FF1.7010303@catalyst.net.nz> <4AC2907E.7000002@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Vik Olliver wrote: > On 30/09/09 Tim Toolman wrote: >> I love my linux powered car audio, but I couldn't find anything >> offensive in this post ... > > Don't worry. I'll think of something. > > Vik :v) I didn't want to do that thing where you try to read through the post and figure out what might be taken as offensive and then completely miss the mark so... I didn't read through the message again. Sure, it might have saved me a post or two but it's a lot more interesting this way. A generic apology for anything that might be offensive. And no - it wasn't a slight against a linux power car stereo - I was wondering at the time though whether I should care. i.e. for the most part I'm quite happy for my embedded devices to do what embedded devices do. In saying that, I've got a D-Link DSM-320 which is a great little box but has just a couple of really annoying "features" like it keeps telling me it can now play protected windows media files! .... every time I connect to a upnp server. Given that it runs Linux, and I know there have been some efforts to hack the thing, I may have a go at hacking it and removing some of the "features" that I don't particularly like. On the other hand... there seems to be very little documentation and it would suck losing the functionality I do have... Regards, Nevyn. From thetoolman at gmail.com Wed Sep 30 15:17:43 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Wed Sep 30 15:17:54 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] For attention of Nevyn ... In-Reply-To: References: <4AC25FF1.7010303@catalyst.net.nz> <4AC2907E.7000002@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: I was just hoping to be offended - no luck ;) On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Nevyn wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Vik Olliver wrote: > > On 30/09/09 Tim Toolman wrote: > >> I love my linux powered car audio, but I couldn't find anything > >> offensive in this post ... > > > > Don't worry. I'll think of something. > > > > Vik :v) > > I didn't want to do that thing where you try to read through the post > and figure out what might be taken as offensive and then completely > miss the mark so... I didn't read through the message again. Sure, it > might have saved me a post or two but it's a lot more interesting this > way. A generic apology for anything that might be offensive. > > And no - it wasn't a slight against a linux power car stereo - I was > wondering at the time though whether I should care. i.e. for the most > part I'm quite happy for my embedded devices to do what embedded > devices do. In saying that, I've got a D-Link DSM-320 which is a great > little box but has just a couple of really annoying "features" like it > keeps telling me it can now play protected windows media files! .... > every time I connect to a upnp server. Given that it runs Linux, and I > know there have been some efforts to hack the thing, I may have a go > at hacking it and removing some of the "features" that I don't > particularly like. On the other hand... there seems to be very little > documentation and it would suck losing the functionality I do have... > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 30 15:23:50 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Sep 30 15:24:00 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] For attention of Nevyn ... In-Reply-To: References: <4AC25FF1.7010303@catalyst.net.nz> <4AC2907E.7000002@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <176902.19105.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > I was just hoping to be offended - no luck ;) OK. ur a free-lovin' hippie :p > I love my linux powered car audio Does a RockBox'd iPod + mini-phone to tape adapter count as FLOSS car audio? From duffyd at kokorice.org Wed Sep 30 23:58:33 2009 From: duffyd at kokorice.org (Tim Knapp) Date: Wed Sep 30 23:58:49 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Reminder to register for Kiwi PyCon 2009 Message-ID: <1254311913.6460.144.camel@monty> Dear Fellow Pythonistas, With the new month upon us and about a month to go til 'D-Day' (well KPC Day), we just wanted to post a friendly reminder to register[1] as soon as you can for Kiwi PyCon 2009. Here at Kiwi PyCon '09 HQ we've set the date that we will have the T shirts to the printer by as **Friday, October 23rd** so if you haven't registered by that time you'll miss out on your correct T shirt size! We've also already sold about half of our available conference tickets and almost 3/4 of our Pre-Conf Party tickets so get in quick to secure your place at the party/conference. Too, remember your registration (for both the party and conference) isn't confirmed until you've paid your admission fee so please ensure you pay these as soon as you can after registering. It'll also help us to pay the conference expenses :) Yours, Kiwi PyCon 2009 HQ [1] http://nz.pycon.org/submit-registration