From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 15:20:29 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Nov 3 15:20:37 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] O/T: ADSL modems and things of that nature.... Message-ID: Oh I'm such a fool... My ADSL modem is finally giving up the ghost and dying a horrible and really slow death. It's no longer able to keep up with the rigors of being up 24 hours a day. The problem appears to be overheating and so I find myself putting it to "sleep" in the evenings just so that I'll be able to check my email the following day if I'm that lucky... I've been tempted to cut holes in casing and adding fans and generally keeping it on life support, but then sanity kicks in and I realize... I'm just going to have to pull the plug. Never mind though. Despite it running Linux, I was never all that fond of it. It was kept going by some really badly written scripts (My scripts have never seemed to have the elegance that the years of experience of Martin's knowledge brings to his scripts - at the very least I can recognize the difference) which would reset it when appropriate and would generally hopefully keep my lifeline to the Internet up and in some semblance of working order. If I could only have changed the scripts to get it to pause before attempting to reconnect or to retry if it came back with the status "Authentication Error", it would've been a fine ADSL modem. I would find myself staring off into the distance stating that nobody's perfect, but then, the ADSL modem wasn't a somebody - it was a thing... The Distinction's important somehow. So I resigned myself to buying a new modem despite not really having the money to spend on such things. So I'm looking around and thinking it'd be nice to be able to run Tomato or OpenWRT or something of that ilk on it..... And then I realised - the devices that are supported by Tomato and/or OpenWRT and/or DD-WRT don't have ADSL devices in them. Or have I got this all wrong? I'm now looking at this instead: http://www.oczone.co.nz/product_info.php?products_id=34048 Regards, Nevyn. P.S. The tone of this email is a reflection of one of my thoughts during last night's AuckLUG meeting. I imagined a stage where a man stepped out on stage. He looks young and lost. Almost newly born. He cries out for all to hear "I need direction! - I'm a Pixie looking for where I live - An address as it were". And from somewhere in the distance, a barely audible whisper: "192.168.0.67 - from the pool will you live and you will be given a food named 'OS' when you are in this pool and there are many flavours that you may chose and a menu I will present". Perhaps a play based upon the different layers of the network stack would help me better understand them :/ From martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz Tue Nov 3 15:35:51 2009 From: martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz (Martin D Kealey) Date: Tue Nov 3 15:35:58 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] O/T: ADSL modems and things of that nature.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009, Nevyn wrote: > My ADSL modem is finally giving up the ghost and dying a horrible and > really slow death. ... > So I resigned myself to buying a new modem despite not really having > the money to spend on such things. So I'm looking around and thinking > it'd be nice to be able to run Tomato or OpenWRT or something of that > ilk on it..... > > And then I realised - the devices that are supported by Tomato and/or > OpenWRT and/or DD-WRT don't have ADSL devices in them. Or have I got > this all wrong? I'm now looking at this instead: > http://www.oczone.co.nz/product_info.php?products_id=34048 I haven't been looking at devices so I can't give you much in the way of specifics. But in general terms, keep in mind that several ISPs are rolling out IPv6 over the next year or so (and probably all of them within 3 years). So when reading the specs, check whether it can do IPv6. Preferably built-in of course, but failing that, by being Linux based and: * With a modern kernel (2.6); and * Using iproute2 ("ip addr" rather than "ifconfig"); and * With enough spare memory & flashdrive space to be able to upgrade it when the time comes. (I'd guess at least 128MB of each.) -Martin From daniel at rimspace.net Tue Nov 3 16:56:56 2009 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Tue Nov 3 16:57:13 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] O/T: ADSL modems and things of that nature.... In-Reply-To: (Nevyn's message of "Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:20:29 +1300") References: Message-ID: <87hbtcp8fr.fsf@rimspace.net> Nevyn writes: > My ADSL modem is finally giving up the ghost and dying a horrible and > really slow death. [...] > And then I realised - the devices that are supported by Tomato and/or > OpenWRT and/or DD-WRT don't have ADSL devices in them. Or have I got this > all wrong? Not entirely; last time I checked the best you could get was incomplete support, usually quite experimental, in their development branch. The openwrt wiki category page is here: http://oldwiki.openwrt.org/CategoryDslModems.html They don't seem to have ported that over to their new wiki yet, now that I go look again. Anyway, beyond that I can't comment; I just purchased a cheap billion modem, set it to pass through PPPoE to my Linux system, and lived with that. I don't think NZ offers PPPoE, though. Good luck. Daniel -- ? Daniel Pittman ? daniel@rimspace.net ? +61 401 155 707 ? made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons Looking for work? Love Perl? In Melbourne, Australia? We are hiring. From martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz Tue Nov 3 18:32:05 2009 From: martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz (Martin D Kealey) Date: Tue Nov 3 18:32:19 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] O/T: ADSL modems and things of that nature.... In-Reply-To: <87hbtcp8fr.fsf@rimspace.net> References: <87hbtcp8fr.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009, Daniel Pittman wrote: > I don't think NZ offers PPPoE, though. Good luck. Vodafone "Red Network" anyone? Of course, several types of ADSL modem don't actually care what you put in the settings; they just autodetect on the line anyway. -Martin PS: Yes, I still work for Vodafone. From Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz Tue Nov 3 19:48:18 2009 From: Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz (Chilling_Silence) Date: Tue Nov 3 19:48:28 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] O/T: ADSL modems and things of that nature.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2987f0d40911022248g7dea6d13x7a6b029945b6ac4b@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Nevyn wrote: > > > So I resigned myself to buying a new modem desp ite not really having > the money to spend on such things. So I'm looking around and thinking > it'd be nice to be able to run Tomato or OpenWRT or something of that > ilk on it..... > > And then I realised - the devices that are supported by Tomato and/or > OpenWRT and/or DD-WRT don't have ADSL devices in them. Or have I got > this all wrong? I'm now looking at this instead: > http://www.oczone.co.nz/product_info.php?products_id=34048 > You'll be wanting something such as a Linksys AM300 in Halfbridge to do the PPPoA authentication and then passing the IP off to another device like the WRT54GL or the Asus WL-520GU. The 520GU is slightly cheaper, pretty much impossible to flash wrongly, but harder to flash initially than the WRT54GL. The WRT54GL is easy upgrade, just fire up the WebGUI, point it to the Tomato firmware and hit the button. Otherwise if you're wanting an all-in-one device (Not quite as flexible as Tomato but still good) then go for the NetComm NB6Plus4Wn. Tomato is by far the best but if you want to stick with an all-in-one then the NetComm is the most feature-rich and reliable router I've found for the consumer / SOHO market :) Just chucking my 2c out there ;) Cheers Chill. From rolandh at vodafone.co.nz Tue Nov 3 19:58:27 2009 From: rolandh at vodafone.co.nz (Roland Hill) Date: Tue Nov 3 19:57:29 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] O/T: ADSL modems and things of that nature.... In-Reply-To: <2987f0d40911022248g7dea6d13x7a6b029945b6ac4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2987f0d40911022248g7dea6d13x7a6b029945b6ac4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091103065826.GA7242@hillnet.local> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 or thereabouts, Chilling_Silence came forth with: > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Nevyn wrote: > > > So I resigned myself to buying a new modem desp ite not really having > > the money to spend on such things. So I'm looking around and thinking > > it'd be nice to be able to run Tomato or OpenWRT or something of that > > ilk on it..... > > And then I realised - the devices that are supported by Tomato and/or > > OpenWRT and/or DD-WRT don't have ADSL devices in them. Or have I got > > this all wrong? I'm now looking at this instead: > > http://www.oczone.co.nz/product_info.php?products_id=34048 > You'll be wanting something such as a Linksys AM300 in Halfbridge to do the > PPPoA authentication and then passing the IP off to another device like the > WRT54GL or the Asus WL-520GU. .....and if you are after an AM300 I have one for sale :-) [..snip..] > Otherwise if you're wanting an all-in-one device (Not quite as flexible as > Tomato but still good) then go for the NetComm NB6Plus4Wn. ....and I have one of these in use and agree with Chill...seems a good product. -- Regards, Roland PGP Key 0xDA39319B = BCF0 1214 BAE9 5A3D 46FC 21A6 360D 9398 DA39 319B -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/aucklug/attachments/20091103/b4fb71f5/attachment.pgp From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 23:26:17 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Nov 4 00:39:32 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] O/T: ADSL modems and things of that nature.... In-Reply-To: <2987f0d40911022248g7dea6d13x7a6b029945b6ac4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2987f0d40911022248g7dea6d13x7a6b029945b6ac4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Chilling_Silence wrote: > Otherwise if you're wanting an all-in-one device (Not quite as flexible as > Tomato but still good) then go for the NetComm NB6Plus4Wn. Tomato is by far > the best but if you want to stick with an all-in-one then the NetComm is the > most feature-rich and reliable router I've found for the consumer / SOHO > market :) > Yeah the one I'm retiring is a Netcomm - a NB8. Was never fond of it. Not all that interested in having wifi on the device - I do have a Linksys WAP54 which I use for that purpose. I've only had 2 ADSL routers in my life and both of them have been troublesome. The first, a Plexuscom (a company that no longer exists), didn't have the firmware I needed to get half-bridge mode which I saw as an essential. I found something eventually based upon the chipset and managed to get half bridge mode but then that firmware broke a couple of other things. Nothing too annoying - just enough for me to notice. The second one, the Netcomm, just kept trying to reconnect too fast every time it disconnected and so would come back with a "Authentication Failure" - I'm assuming this has something to do with the time it takes to disengage me from Slingshots servers or whatever. The annoying bit is that it'd just sit there in that state refusing to try again. No option in the web interface to give it another go. Telnet worked about half the time so I couldn't even do it manually with any sort of confidence. The only way around it was to reset the damn thing. Firmware upgrades did nothing to fix this and their support was less than helpful - upgrade the firmware..... So yeah, avoiding Netcomm. Wasn't happy the first time around. Figured a Linksys would probably be a good move just because they've got a fairly good reputation. Regards, Nevyn. From David.Hawke at ppfort.net Thu Nov 5 06:50:24 2009 From: David.Hawke at ppfort.net (dvh) Date: Thu Nov 5 06:50:35 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] O/T: ADSL modems and things of that nature.... In-Reply-To: References: <2987f0d40911022248g7dea6d13x7a6b029945b6ac4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AF1BEE0.2090905@ppfort.net> Nevyn wrote: > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Chilling_Silence > wrote: > >> Otherwise if you're wanting an all-in-one device (Not quite as flexible as >> Tomato but still good) then go for the NetComm NB6Plus4Wn. Tomato is by far >> the best but if you want to stick with an all-in-one then the NetComm is the >> most feature-rich and reliable router I've found for the consumer / SOHO >> market :) >> >> > Yeah the one I'm retiring is a Netcomm - a NB8. Was never fond of it. > Not all that interested in having wifi on the device - I do have a > Linksys WAP54 which I use for that purpose. > > I've only had 2 ADSL routers in my life and both of them have been troublesome. > > The first, a Plexuscom (a company that no longer exists), didn't have > the firmware I needed to get half-bridge mode which I saw as an > essential. I found something eventually based upon the chipset and > managed to get half bridge mode but then that firmware broke a couple > of other things. Nothing too annoying - just enough for me to notice. > > The second one, the Netcomm, just kept trying to reconnect too fast > every time it disconnected and so would come back with a > "Authentication Failure" - I'm assuming this has something to do with > the time it takes to disengage me from Slingshots servers or whatever. > The annoying bit is that it'd just sit there in that state refusing to > try again. No option in the web interface to give it another go. > Telnet worked about half the time so I couldn't even do it manually > with any sort of confidence. The only way around it was to reset the > damn thing. Firmware upgrades did nothing to fix this and their > support was less than helpful - upgrade the firmware..... > > So yeah, avoiding Netcomm. Wasn't happy the first time around. Figured > a Linksys would probably be a good move just because they've got a > fairly good reputation. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > While not being a candidate for Tomato et al, I'd plug for the Draytek routers - I've just replaced a Linksys AM300 with a Draytek as we have VOIP and WAF was dropping - the Linksys dropped the connection most days - the Draytek has now had the same connection up for 548 hours :-D. FYI we are about 4km from the exchange by the attenuation. David H PS - used Linksys AM300 anyone (replacement reason was distance from exchange and old copper, not router :-)) From Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz Thu Nov 5 08:50:16 2009 From: Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz (Chilling_Silence) Date: Thu Nov 5 08:50:26 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] O/T: ADSL modems and things of that nature.... In-Reply-To: <4AF1BEE0.2090905@ppfort.net> References: <2987f0d40911022248g7dea6d13x7a6b029945b6ac4b@mail.gmail.com> <4AF1BEE0.2090905@ppfort.net> Message-ID: <2987f0d40911041150l46567d14s31da055d5f29bbdc@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 6:50 AM, dvh wrote: > While not being a candidate for Tomato et al, I'd plug for the Draytek > routers - I've just replaced a Linksys AM300 with a Draytek as we have VOIP > and WAF was dropping - the Linksys dropped the connection most days - the > Draytek has now had the same connection up for 548 hours :-D. FYI we are > about 4km from the exchange by the attenuation. > > David H > PS - used Linksys AM300 anyone (replacement reason was distance from > exchange and old copper, not router :-)) > > Odd, we use Tomato with our VoIP installations just fine. Unless there's issues with the line itself, attentuation / SNR etc, then the only time they've died on us has been when there's been exchange faults, or at one stage Orcon kept resetting all their connections at one of their unbundled exchanges for whatever reason (Pissed us off no end, but we knew it was them because the Telecom connections were fine, and it was happening to all Orcon connections we had on that exchange at the same time). However, I digress, and we've found the QoS on Tomato to be the easiest to setup and get working reliably, even over the likes of pfSense / m0n0wall. Again don't get me wrong, I know it's possible to QoS with them well, however if you've ever had a nosey around their forums, you'll see there's a myriad of people like myself who found it a lot more hassle than it's worth ;-) Some of our Tomato routers have insane uptimes of months. They're not updated to the latest firmware releases but that's fine, if it ain't broke don't fix it IMO! Anyway, Nevyn, looks like you've got a few offers for a good AM300. I've got a second-hand one at home and it just keeps going and going and going (like the energizer bunny). My 2c anyways Cheers Chill. From gordonisnz at gmail.com Sat Nov 7 21:39:41 2009 From: gordonisnz at gmail.com (Gordon Stewart) Date: Sat Nov 7 21:40:09 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arrow keys, Moving curser. Message-ID: <9a3273a00911070039q1d2502f3t9fda5fd4917eb3ef@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I've got ubuntu / winXP on 2 seperate boxes (using Synergy to use 1 keyboard) - the win XP is the main / master for Synergy. i find that when i'm at the start of a document, I can press the 'right' arrow, & the curser easily moves 1 character at a time (fast) - until i get to where i want to be (without lifting my finger off the key). I can do the same with the UP key. however, If i want to go DOWN or LEFT, I need to repeatedly press the down/left buttons for each character/line I want to move the curser. (When moving the curser back to WinXP, I have no probs) Any ideas on what may be causing this ? :- a setting (somewhere) in Ubuntu : - A 'normal' / 'known' issue with Synergy ? :- other ? -- G Freecycle Auckland :- http://www.freecycle.org/ From justin at skull.co.nz Sat Nov 7 21:41:19 2009 From: justin at skull.co.nz (Justin Cook) Date: Sat Nov 7 21:41:48 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arrow keys, Moving curser. In-Reply-To: <9a3273a00911070039q1d2502f3t9fda5fd4917eb3ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a3273a00911070039q1d2502f3t9fda5fd4917eb3ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <93a52e0e0911070041m10a4fe06ta9191bcd35f6cf81@mail.gmail.com> Ubuntu is incompatible with the concepts of left and down. This is an intended limitation as you can simply hold right until space curves back around. 2009/11/7 Gordon Stewart > Hi, > > I've got ubuntu / winXP on 2 seperate boxes (using Synergy to use 1 > keyboard) - the win XP is the main / master for Synergy. > > i find that when i'm at the start of a document, I can press the > 'right' arrow, & the curser easily moves 1 character at a time (fast) > - until i get to where i want to be (without lifting my finger off the > key). I can do the same with the UP key. > > > however, If i want to go DOWN or LEFT, I need to repeatedly press the > down/left buttons for each character/line I want to move the curser. > > (When moving the curser back to WinXP, I have no probs) > > > Any ideas on what may be causing this ? > > :- a setting (somewhere) in Ubuntu > : > - A 'normal' / 'known' issue with Synergy ? > > :- other ? > > > -- > G > Freecycle Auckland :- > http://www.freecycle.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From gordonisnz at gmail.com Sat Nov 7 21:57:22 2009 From: gordonisnz at gmail.com (Gordon Stewart) Date: Sat Nov 7 21:58:12 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arrow keys, Moving curser. In-Reply-To: <93a52e0e0911070041m10a4fe06ta9191bcd35f6cf81@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a3273a00911070039q1d2502f3t9fda5fd4917eb3ef@mail.gmail.com> <93a52e0e0911070041m10a4fe06ta9191bcd35f6cf81@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9a3273a00911070057h308077adtba84772ee645ce0b@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Justin Cook wrote: > Ubuntu is incompatible with the concepts of left and down. This is an > intended limitation as you can simply hold right until space curves back > around. Ok, I'll try the 'curve' thing.. - nope, doesn't work on this gmail message - but i'll try on other screens & see which ones work. Though, Why would anyone DELIBERATELY put this limitation in ? Wouldn't it be advantages to add it in ? - any logical reason not to ? (in case someone mistakenly presses it & goes up further than intended ?) Sorry, I think like Spock on Star Trek - looking for logical reasons for things and cannot find any logic to this. (Though, I do not have Spocks great memory - Unfortunately.) -- G Freecycle Auckland :- http://www.freecycle.org/ From subscribed at gnuzealand.com Sat Nov 7 22:18:51 2009 From: subscribed at gnuzealand.com (Bruce Clement) Date: Sat Nov 7 22:18:59 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arrow keys, Moving curser. In-Reply-To: <9a3273a00911070057h308077adtba84772ee645ce0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a3273a00911070039q1d2502f3t9fda5fd4917eb3ef@mail.gmail.com> <93a52e0e0911070041m10a4fe06ta9191bcd35f6cf81@mail.gmail.com> <9a3273a00911070057h308077adtba84772ee645ce0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9da4db1f0911070118o223d40fds70aca2bca376e4ae@mail.gmail.com> 2009/11/7 Gordon Stewart > > Though, Why would anyone DELIBERATELY put this limitation in ? > > > I think Justin might have been sarcastic. I gather from context that Ubuntu are regarded as renown for doing dumb things & then claiming it's deliberate / policy Strangely enough, other than the bogus KDE 4 debacle, in Ubuntu 8.04 I haven't noticed them doing this and they are certainly no more prone to stupid decisions than any other distro. Bruce -- Bruce Clement From gordonisnz at gmail.com Sat Nov 7 22:59:06 2009 From: gordonisnz at gmail.com (Gordon Stewart) Date: Sat Nov 7 22:59:36 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arrow keys, Moving curser. In-Reply-To: <9da4db1f0911070118o223d40fds70aca2bca376e4ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a3273a00911070039q1d2502f3t9fda5fd4917eb3ef@mail.gmail.com> <93a52e0e0911070041m10a4fe06ta9191bcd35f6cf81@mail.gmail.com> <9a3273a00911070057h308077adtba84772ee645ce0b@mail.gmail.com> <9da4db1f0911070118o223d40fds70aca2bca376e4ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9a3273a00911070159r78f545e9h955132a15e13cb97@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Bruce Clement wrote: >> I think Justin might have been sarcastic. I gather from context that Ubuntu > are regarded as renown for doing dumb things & then claiming it's deliberate > / policy Sounds much like people I know :) Ok... -- G Freecycle Auckland :- http://www.freecycle.org/ From nevynh at gmail.com Sat Nov 7 23:26:01 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sat Nov 7 23:26:12 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arrow keys, Moving curser. In-Reply-To: <9a3273a00911070039q1d2502f3t9fda5fd4917eb3ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a3273a00911070039q1d2502f3t9fda5fd4917eb3ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Gordon Stewart wrote: > > > Any ideas on what may be causing this ? > > :- a setting (somewhere) in Ubuntu > : > - A 'normal' / 'known' issue with Synergy ? > > :- other ? Hi Gordon, I don't use Synergy so can't comment too much on it but given that I can't replicate the problem in Ubuntu, I'm guessing the problem lies somewhere in Synergy. Never did quite get the point though it kind of seems like a great idea. Given the monitor is likely to be your most expensive part, it always seemed a little silly saving yourself on keyboard and mouse - given that they're among the cheapest part of your computer. Regards, Nevyn From gordonisnz at gmail.com Sat Nov 7 23:39:26 2009 From: gordonisnz at gmail.com (Gordon Stewart) Date: Sat Nov 7 23:39:54 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Synergy - using 2 Pc's but 1 KB & mouse Message-ID: <9a3273a00911070239h41d5a1a5s86c6c3aea90788b8@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Nevyn wrote: > I don't use Synergy so can't comment too much on it but given that I > can't replicate the problem in Ubuntu, I'm guessing the problem lies > somewhere in Synergy. see other comments from users - its an Ubuntu thing... > Never did quite get the point though it kind of seems like a great > idea. Given the monitor is likely to be your most expensive part, it > always seemed a little silly saving yourself on keyboard and mouse - > given that they're among the cheapest part of your computer. < i *do* have 2 sets of keyboards & Mouse (mice ?) as i need to load up Synergy on the Linux Pc each time the computer is switched on.. Basically it is a time-saver, As I have 2 lots of browsers active, I now have 18 tabs active / open accross 2 PC's - I can do 2 x the work - Without moving from one PC to the other, I just move the mouse to the other Pc / screen as needed. This Gmail screen is on my Linux PC - If I move my curser to the right - off the edge of the screen, it appears on the left side on my other computer - No fancy buttons to press or anything.. if I move off the left of my windows screen, the curser appears on the right of this linux machine.. No need to move seats, No need to re-position myself to use the other keyboard, etc - i can do it all via one position. Just think of it like a wide-screen, with two lots of browsers active... & just 1 Pc.. I've only got 2 PC's - but in theory (& practice) you could have as many PC' screens hooked up as you have on your network.. (I dont know WHY you would want that, but it is possible) -- G Freecycle Auckland :- http://www.freecycle.org/ From robin.paulson at gmail.com Sun Nov 8 09:13:11 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Sun Nov 8 09:13:22 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Synergy - using 2 Pc's but 1 KB & mouse In-Reply-To: <9a3273a00911070239h41d5a1a5s86c6c3aea90788b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a3273a00911070239h41d5a1a5s86c6c3aea90788b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770911071213v4b29c0a0u788bcd9127f92d3d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/11/7 Gordon Stewart : > Basically it is a time-saver, As I have 2 lots of browsers active, I > now have 18 tabs active / open accross 2 PC's - I can do 2 x the work > - Without moving from one PC to the other, I just move the mouse to i think i'll file that under 'biggest exaggeration of the year' either that or you've duplicated yourself as well as your screen... From blakjak at blakjak.net Sun Nov 8 10:17:38 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Sun Nov 8 10:17:49 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arrow keys, Moving curser. In-Reply-To: <9da4db1f0911070118o223d40fds70aca2bca376e4ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a3273a00911070039q1d2502f3t9fda5fd4917eb3ef@mail.gmail.com> <93a52e0e0911070041m10a4fe06ta9191bcd35f6cf81@mail.gmail.com> <9a3273a00911070057h308077adtba84772ee645ce0b@mail.gmail.com> <9da4db1f0911070118o223d40fds70aca2bca376e4ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Nov 2009, Bruce Clement wrote: > 2009/11/7 Gordon Stewart > >> >> Though, Why would anyone DELIBERATELY put this limitation in ? >> >> >> I think Justin might have been sarcastic. I gather from context that Ubuntu > are regarded as renown for doing dumb things & then claiming it's deliberate > / policy > Yes, I do believe Justin was being sarcastic. Suggest he needs to reconsider that attitude, though, as I see Gordon's email as a genuine enquiry and sarcastic responses are hardly IAW the AUP[1]. As for 'Ubuntu doing dumb things', I've mainly seen this in moves between major releases; not in updates to otherwise stable versions (i.e. 8.1 -> 9.04 -> 9.1, not updates to any one of those[2]). Mark. [1] http://auckland.linux.net.nz/aup.html [2] Never actually used 9.10 but what i've heard implies this. From rob at webworxshop.com Sun Nov 8 10:54:00 2009 From: rob at webworxshop.com (Rob Connolly) Date: Sun Nov 8 10:53:47 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Synergy - using 2 Pc's but 1 KB & mouse In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770911071213v4b29c0a0u788bcd9127f92d3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a3273a00911070239h41d5a1a5s86c6c3aea90788b8@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770911071213v4b29c0a0u788bcd9127f92d3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AF5EC78.2090106@webworxshop.com> Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/11/7 Gordon Stewart : > >> Basically it is a time-saver, As I have 2 lots of browsers active, I >> now have 18 tabs active / open accross 2 PC's - I can do 2 x the work >> - Without moving from one PC to the other, I just move the mouse to >> > > i think i'll file that under 'biggest exaggeration of the year' > > either that or you've duplicated yourself as well as your screen... > No, you just multiplex yourself across the two PC's, for example: you can work on you linux box while you windows one is busy crashing. From gordonisnz at gmail.com Sun Nov 8 12:46:54 2009 From: gordonisnz at gmail.com (Gordon Stewart) Date: Sun Nov 8 12:47:24 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Synergy - using 2 Pc's but 1 KB & mouse In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770911071213v4b29c0a0u788bcd9127f92d3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a3273a00911070239h41d5a1a5s86c6c3aea90788b8@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770911071213v4b29c0a0u788bcd9127f92d3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9a3273a00911071546l35004c2atcf7367c978d226d8@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/11/7 Gordon Stewart : >> Basically it is a time-saver, As I have 2 lots of browsers active, I >> now have 18 tabs active / open accross 2 PC's - I can do 2 x the work >> - Without moving from one PC to the other, I just move the mouse to > > i think i'll file that under 'biggest exaggeration of the year' > > either that or you've duplicated yourself as well as your screen... Rigfht now, I have these tabs open.. LINUX :- Mozilla Firefox tabs :- - Freecycle (moderators screen) :- Gmail :- Mantis (website project organiser) :- Yahoo groups screen :- Google docs (main screen) :- Google docs - Spreadsheet :- 3 x Mantis screens I've googled (for information on Mantis - Though I dont need these open so may close them - but i'm not worried - lots of RAM & processing speed...) Also :- I have the 'synergy' screen open, :- BOINC (Prosessing SETI files) :- and another lot of Mozilla screens - 4 tabs of Travian (an online game - I'm taking care of other peoples accounts while they sleep) WINXP box :- :- Skype (because this screen is directly in front of me - easier to see...) :- Miozilla Firefox - with 7 tabs open (6 screens for my account at travian (2 screens per server) - & a Website forum, for Travian (I guess you can say I like Travian).... Until you actually use it, - You wont see much benefit to it. Of course, it splits the activity across 2 x processors & RAM etc - so things do go faster than if you had it all on 1 box.. ---- G Freecycle Auckland :- http://www.freecycle.org/ From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Sun Nov 8 13:03:59 2009 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Sun Nov 8 13:04:08 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Synergy In-Reply-To: <200911072118.nA7LIZN9031275@gaffer.hosts.net.nz> References: <200911072118.nA7LIZN9031275@gaffer.hosts.net.nz> Message-ID: <4AF6C1BF.6703.BFB814@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 23:26:01 +1300 > From: Nevyn > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Arrow keys, Moving curser. > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Gordon, > > I don't use Synergy so can't comment too much on it but given that I > can't replicate the problem in Ubuntu, I'm guessing the problem lies > somewhere in Synergy. > > Never did quite get the point though it kind of seems like a great > idea. Given the monitor is likely to be your most expensive part, it > always seemed a little silly saving yourself on keyboard and mouse - > given that they're among the cheapest part of your computer. > > Regards, > Nevyn Addition of a monitor switching facility is a planned upgrade for Synergy. However, that is something I wouldn't use anyway, especially in view of the fact that I use dual monitors. Synergy removes the need for multiple keyboards which is a big space saving and very convenient. I routinely use Synergy with two computers, one of which has two monitors. I find that having the use of three monitors simultaneously is very handy and I really miss having multiple monitors when I am away from home using a laptop. The usefulness of Synergy lies not so much in cost saving as convenience. The user interface for the Windows version is unnecessarily complicated for most users. The linux version is much easier to set up. There is one problem which I frequently encounter with Synergy and that is that it doesn't always connect on the first attempt. For that reason, I find it necessary to have a mouse connected to each computer in order to enable me to get Synergy to connect without rebooting. Don Johnston From blakjak at blakjak.net Sun Nov 8 13:53:38 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Sun Nov 8 13:53:47 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arrow keys, Moving curser. In-Reply-To: References: <9a3273a00911070039q1d2502f3t9fda5fd4917eb3ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > Never did quite get the point though it kind of seems like a great > idea. Given the monitor is likely to be your most expensive part, it > always seemed a little silly saving yourself on keyboard and mouse - > given that they're among the cheapest part of your computer. Just spied this. There's several good reasons to 'save yourself on keyboard and mouse'. Lack of desk space for several keyboards/mice, to start with. Also for those with special requirements (ergonomic mice/keyboards; tablets) being able to share IO is great. I have two discrete working environments at home, one has a 4-port KVM and the other has a laptop and two desktops, on their own keyboards/mice/screens. I can tell you right now which setup regularly has me entering passwords, etc, into the wrong keyboard :o Actually what i'd really like to see is an easy-to-set-up dual-head solution that'd let me turn my two identical 15" LCD's into a decent arrangement; has the bonus of not taking up lots of space, and I actually like the idea that 'maximise' will only occupy half of my desktop real estate... (At work I use a 24" widescreen, LCD, which is awesome, but the guys with dual 4:3 ratio 19" screens actually have the 'more practical' desktop arrangement.) Mark. From nevynh at gmail.com Sun Nov 8 16:04:36 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sun Nov 8 16:04:46 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arrow keys, Moving curser. In-Reply-To: References: <9a3273a00911070039q1d2502f3t9fda5fd4917eb3ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Mark Foster wrote: > > Just spied this. > > There's several good reasons to 'save yourself on keyboard and mouse'. Lack > of desk space for several keyboards/mice, to start with. ?Also for those > with special requirements (ergonomic mice/keyboards; tablets) being able to > share IO is great. > > I have two discrete working environments at home, one has a 4-port KVM and > the other has a laptop and two desktops, on their own > keyboards/mice/screens. ?I can tell you right now which setup regularly has > me entering passwords, etc, into the wrong keyboard :o > > Actually what i'd really like to see is an easy-to-set-up dual-head solution > that'd let me turn my two identical 15" LCD's into a decent arrangement; has > the bonus of not taking up lots of space, and I actually like the idea that > 'maximise' will only occupy half of my desktop real estate... > > (At work I use a 24" widescreen, LCD, which is awesome, but the guys with > dual 4:3 ratio 19" screens actually have the 'more practical' desktop > arrangement.) > > Mark. Okay, probably a bit negative of me. I just see it as a complicated answer to a simple problem. Virtual desktops to arrange your browser tabs (why would you need it on different computers?). If you're really short on space, then a KVM feels more intuitive. Hit the scroll lock button a couple of times and you're on a different computer. I would be as bold as to say, if you're needing a solution that convoluted, then chances are you need to look at how you're working. Regards, Nevyn. From blakjak at blakjak.net Sun Nov 8 16:11:06 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Sun Nov 8 16:11:16 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Arrow keys, Moving curser. In-Reply-To: References: <9a3273a00911070039q1d2502f3t9fda5fd4917eb3ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I would be as bold as to say, if you're needing a solution that > convoluted, then chances are you need to look at how you're working. > I'd never heard of Synergy, have to say that as-described it actually seems quite useful. I achieve the same thing with two machines side-by-side and two keyboards/mice/screens (as one is regularly used to VPN outbound, which nixes LAN traffic). If i'm not VPN'ing then I use Terminal Services client to remote my windows machine, from my Linux one. I havn't yet found the trick to be able to run the TSC in fullscreen mode and actually let me 'task out' ... so I have to run it at 800x600 or put up with a small amount of side-scrolling at the local systems native res (1024x768) in order to use 1024x768 on the remote host. The other way i've seen it done is with VM's, but nothing i've got here is particularly grunty. Mark. From gordonisnz at gmail.com Sun Nov 8 20:14:41 2009 From: gordonisnz at gmail.com (Gordon Stewart) Date: Sun Nov 8 20:15:09 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Upgraded to 9.04 Message-ID: <9a3273a00911072314r2a91939n2c4a717464584433@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I've upgraded today, to 9.04 - But during the install process, it came up with errors. It SEEMS to be working Ok now though. Query :- Is there a place on the PC where the install log is held - to see the errors ? & are minor errors OK in most upgrades ? Or should i try to re-install ? (I only have the CD of 8.04 - I think its 8.04 anyway) -- G Freecycle Auckland :- http://www.freecycle.org/ From subscribed at gnuzealand.com Tue Nov 10 14:45:10 2009 From: subscribed at gnuzealand.com (Bruce Clement) Date: Tue Nov 10 14:45:19 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the Telecom XT network? Message-ID: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> Title really says it all, I'm a reasonably content telecom customer, but my phone's nearing end of life & I will need to replace it shortly. I want something that is open, preferably Linux ('cause I understand that), but worst case would settle for a phone I can synch with my Ubuntu system over Wifi. By open, I really mean I can upload apps to it, I don't want a hand held Tivio. Has anyone got any suggestions? Thanks Bruce PS Sorry to Moderator for wrong return address on original - B -- Bruce Clement From thetoolman at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 14:49:21 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Tue Nov 10 14:49:28 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the Telecom XT network? In-Reply-To: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Android based phones are the only mobile linux handhelds worth considering IMHO. I would expect them to work on Telecom, but do check. The newest Android phone, "Droid" looks great and may be a real threat to the iPhone (its *that* good...) Toolman On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Bruce Clement wrote: > Title really says it all, I'm a reasonably content telecom customer, but my > phone's nearing end of life & I will need to replace it shortly. > > I want something that is open, preferably Linux ('cause I understand that), > but worst case would settle for a phone I can synch with my Ubuntu system > over Wifi. By open, I really mean I can upload apps to it, I don't want a > hand held Tivio. > > Has anyone got any suggestions? > > Thanks > > Bruce > > PS Sorry to Moderator for wrong return address on original - B > > -- > Bruce Clement > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! From rob at webworxshop.com Tue Nov 10 15:01:36 2009 From: rob at webworxshop.com (Rob Connolly) Date: Tue Nov 10 15:01:20 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the Telecom XT network? In-Reply-To: References: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AF8C980.80205@webworxshop.com> Tim Toolman wrote: > Android based phones are the only mobile linux handhelds worth considering > IMHO. I would expect them to work on Telecom, but do check. > > The newest Android phone, "Droid" looks great and may be a real threat to > the iPhone (its *that* good...) > > Toolman > I would second that. They all seem to mount as removable storage devices so syncing music and photos is easy. Not sure about over wifi - the contacts sync is via Google (Gmail) contacts, but Android 2.0 has a new API for syncing so that opens up ways to sync with other things. The development environment is nice too, as long as you like Java! > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Bruce Clement wrote: > > >> Title really says it all, I'm a reasonably content telecom customer, but my >> phone's nearing end of life & I will need to replace it shortly. >> >> I want something that is open, preferably Linux ('cause I understand that), >> but worst case would settle for a phone I can synch with my Ubuntu system >> over Wifi. By open, I really mean I can upload apps to it, I don't want a >> hand held Tivio. >> >> Has anyone got any suggestions? >> >> Thanks >> >> Bruce >> >> PS Sorry to Moderator for wrong return address on original - B >> >> -- >> Bruce Clement >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> > > > > From thetoolman at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 15:02:26 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Tue Nov 10 15:02:34 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the Telecom XT network? In-Reply-To: <4AF8C980.80205@webworxshop.com> References: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> <4AF8C980.80205@webworxshop.com> Message-ID: Of course, you'll need to part with lots of $$ for the nice toys... On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Rob Connolly wrote: > Tim Toolman wrote: > > Android based phones are the only mobile linux handhelds worth > considering > > IMHO. I would expect them to work on Telecom, but do check. > > > > The newest Android phone, "Droid" looks great and may be a real threat to > > the iPhone (its *that* good...) > > > > Toolman > > > I would second that. They all seem to mount as removable storage devices > so syncing music and photos is easy. Not sure about over wifi - the > contacts sync is via Google (Gmail) contacts, but Android 2.0 has a new > API for syncing so that opens up ways to sync with other things. > > The development environment is nice too, as long as you like Java! > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Bruce Clement < > subscribed@gnuzealand.com>wrote: > > > > > >> Title really says it all, I'm a reasonably content telecom customer, but > my > >> phone's nearing end of life & I will need to replace it shortly. > >> > >> I want something that is open, preferably Linux ('cause I understand > that), > >> but worst case would settle for a phone I can synch with my Ubuntu > system > >> over Wifi. By open, I really mean I can upload apps to it, I don't want > a > >> hand held Tivio. > >> > >> Has anyone got any suggestions? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Bruce > >> > >> PS Sorry to Moderator for wrong return address on original - B > >> > >> -- > >> Bruce Clement > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AuckLUG mailing list > >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 15:09:32 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Nov 10 15:09:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the Telecom XT network? In-Reply-To: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770911091809i71b4b3e3tbf97a2324963b38e@mail.gmail.com> 2009/11/10 Bruce Clement : > Title really says it all, I'm a reasonably content telecom customer, but my > phone's nearing end of life & I will need to replace it shortly. > > I want something that is open, preferably Linux ('cause I understand that), > but worst case would settle for a phone I can synch with my Ubuntu system > over Wifi. By open, I really mean I can upload apps to it, I don't want a > hand held Tivio. > > Has anyone got any suggestions? do you care about 3g? if not, have a look at the openmoko freerunner openmoko.org From thetoolman at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 15:14:46 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Tue Nov 10 15:14:54 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the Telecom XT network? In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770911091809i71b4b3e3tbf97a2324963b38e@mail.gmail.com> References: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770911091809i71b4b3e3tbf97a2324963b38e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah the openMoko is interesting. Proably cheaper, but I'd think a smaller user/developer base. Guess it depends on your budget and intentions! Let us know what you do with it! On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/11/10 Bruce Clement : > > Title really says it all, I'm a reasonably content telecom customer, but > my > > phone's nearing end of life & I will need to replace it shortly. > > > > I want something that is open, preferably Linux ('cause I understand > that), > > but worst case would settle for a phone I can synch with my Ubuntu system > > over Wifi. By open, I really mean I can upload apps to it, I don't want a > > hand held Tivio. > > > > Has anyone got any suggestions? > > do you care about 3g? > > if not, have a look at the openmoko freerunner > > openmoko.org > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! From subscribed at gnuzealand.com Tue Nov 10 16:01:30 2009 From: subscribed at gnuzealand.com (Bruce Clement) Date: Tue Nov 10 16:01:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the Telecom XT network? In-Reply-To: References: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770911091809i71b4b3e3tbf97a2324963b38e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9da4db1f0911091901x106519d5m70737df32b73a6b3@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to everyone who replied. Open Moko interested me previously and although I don't need 3G at the moment I expect my phone to last me 3 years and suspect I'll find a need for it sometime before 2012. This puts me in the Android camp for now. Looking at pricespy, the HTC range seem to be the serious Android 3G phones on the NZ market. Does anyone have any direct experience with them? Are they Android 2.0? If unknown how would I find out? Thanks again Bruce -- Bruce Clement From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 16:08:31 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Nov 10 16:08:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the Telecom XT network? In-Reply-To: <9da4db1f0911091901x106519d5m70737df32b73a6b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770911091809i71b4b3e3tbf97a2324963b38e@mail.gmail.com> <9da4db1f0911091901x106519d5m70737df32b73a6b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Bruce Clement wrote: > Thanks to everyone who replied. > > Open Moko interested me previously and although I don't need 3G at the > moment I expect my phone to last me 3 years and suspect I'll find a need for > it sometime before 2012. This puts me in the Android camp for now. > > Looking at pricespy, the HTC range seem to be the serious Android 3G phones > on the NZ market. > > Does anyone have any direct experience with them? > > Are they Android 2.0? If unknown how would I find out? > > Thanks again > > Bruce More importantly, I'm not sure anyone answered the question - are Android phones usable on the Telecom network? From thetoolman at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 16:22:55 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Tue Nov 10 16:23:02 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the Telecom XT network? In-Reply-To: <9da4db1f0911091901x106519d5m70737df32b73a6b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770911091809i71b4b3e3tbf97a2324963b38e@mail.gmail.com> <9da4db1f0911091901x106519d5m70737df32b73a6b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think the droid is the only 2.0 phone, and its not in NZ yet - but not 100% on that. 2.0 is very new... On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Bruce Clement wrote: > Thanks to everyone who replied. > > Open Moko interested me previously and although I don't need 3G at the > moment I expect my phone to last me 3 years and suspect I'll find a need > for > it sometime before 2012. This puts me in the Android camp for now. > > Looking at pricespy, the HTC range seem to be the serious Android 3G phones > on the NZ market. > > Does anyone have any direct experience with them? > > Are they Android 2.0? If unknown how would I find out? > > Thanks again > > Bruce > > > > -- > Bruce Clement > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! From subscribed at gnuzealand.com Tue Nov 10 16:55:10 2009 From: subscribed at gnuzealand.com (Bruce Clement) Date: Tue Nov 10 16:55:21 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the Telecom XT network? In-Reply-To: References: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770911091809i71b4b3e3tbf97a2324963b38e@mail.gmail.com> <9da4db1f0911091901x106519d5m70737df32b73a6b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9da4db1f0911091955j33875706hc10664f84d90dde7@mail.gmail.com> So I should hold off for a while? OK, I'll go and take my technolust by the hand and beg it to return my wallet and be patient. Thanks All 2009/11/10 Tim Toolman > I think the droid is the only 2.0 phone, and its not in NZ yet - but not > 100% on that. 2.0 is very new... > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Bruce Clement >wrote: > > > Thanks to everyone who replied. > > > > Open Moko interested me previously and although I don't need 3G at the > > moment I expect my phone to last me 3 years and suspect I'll find a need > > for > > it sometime before 2012. This puts me in the Android camp for now. > > > > Looking at pricespy, the HTC range seem to be the serious Android 3G > phones > > on the NZ market. > > > > Does anyone have any direct experience with them? > > > > Are they Android 2.0? If unknown how would I find out? > > > > Thanks again > > > > Bruce > > > > > > > > -- > > Bruce Clement > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > > -- > Tim Taylor > +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Bruce Clement From daniel at rimspace.net Tue Nov 10 17:15:32 2009 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Tue Nov 10 17:15:50 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the Telecom XT network? In-Reply-To: (Tim Toolman's message of "Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:22:55 +1300") References: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770911091809i71b4b3e3tbf97a2324963b38e@mail.gmail.com> <9da4db1f0911091901x106519d5m70737df32b73a6b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87r5s72exn.fsf@rimspace.net> Tim Toolman writes: > I think the droid is the only 2.0 phone, and its not in NZ yet - but not > 100% on that. 2.0 is very new... Yes, it is, and the 2.0 source code isn't yet publicly available[1], so no third party 2.0 port is yet available for any other hardware. [...] >> Looking at pricespy, the HTC range seem to be the serious Android 3G phones >> on the NZ market. OTOH, 1.6 is very nice on the HTC Magic, and reportedly works well on the earlier HTC devices too ? though I wouldn't purchase one of them since the limited memory makes it more painful to use. I didn't try the stock firmware, but it is apparently OK, and HTC have publicly promised to release their new UI enhancements for the Magic as well as the Hero hardware ? though Hero has some "nice to have" hardware changes, if you can find one at a reasonable price. Obtaining access to the devices to install third party firmware is a fairly trivial process if you can already cope with Linux, and is almost certainly worth the trouble. >> Are they Android 2.0? If unknown how would I find out? Everything except the Hero is 1.5, Hero is built on 1.6, but you can trivially upgrade elsewhere. 2.0 will probably land on the Magic and friends some time in the next three months, I anticipate. Daniel Footnotes: [1] This is in line with the terms of the license on the software, incidentally, to try and preempt the same "isn't it open source" flame war that often seems to spring up around discussion of this. -- ? Daniel Pittman ? daniel@rimspace.net ? +61 401 155 707 ? made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons Looking for work? Love Perl? In Melbourne, Australia? We are hiring. From rob at webworxshop.com Tue Nov 10 17:44:31 2009 From: rob at webworxshop.com (Rob Connolly) Date: Tue Nov 10 17:44:13 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the Telecom XT network? In-Reply-To: <9da4db1f0911091955j33875706hc10664f84d90dde7@mail.gmail.com> References: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770911091809i71b4b3e3tbf97a2324963b38e@mail.gmail.com> <9da4db1f0911091901x106519d5m70737df32b73a6b3@mail.gmail.com> <9da4db1f0911091955j33875706hc10664f84d90dde7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AF8EFAF.90905@webworxshop.com> Bruce Clement wrote: > So I should hold off for a while? > > OK, I'll go and take my technolust by the hand and beg it to return my > wallet and be patient. > > Thanks All > I have experience with the G1 (which is that in the whole, magic/hero naming scheme?), but I only had it for a week. It was a dev phone and came with 1.0, which I immediately upgraded to 1.6. Nice phone, but there is no point to the slideout keyboard if using firmware above 1.1. I think most commercial models get over the air updates, so all are likely to be upgraded to 2.0 fairly soon. Just out of interest does anyone have any info about installing custom images on consumer phones? I want to know whether to save for a dev phone or go for newer model. > 2009/11/10 Tim Toolman > > >> I think the droid is the only 2.0 phone, and its not in NZ yet - but not >> 100% on that. 2.0 is very new... >> >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Bruce Clement > >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks to everyone who replied. >>> >>> Open Moko interested me previously and although I don't need 3G at the >>> moment I expect my phone to last me 3 years and suspect I'll find a need >>> for >>> it sometime before 2012. This puts me in the Android camp for now. >>> >>> Looking at pricespy, the HTC range seem to be the serious Android 3G >>> >> phones >> >>> on the NZ market. >>> >>> Does anyone have any direct experience with them? >>> >>> Are they Android 2.0? If unknown how would I find out? >>> >>> Thanks again >>> >>> Bruce >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Bruce Clement >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tim Taylor >> +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> > > > > From daniel at rimspace.net Tue Nov 10 18:43:17 2009 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Tue Nov 10 18:43:35 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the Telecom XT network? In-Reply-To: <4AF8EFAF.90905@webworxshop.com> (Rob Connolly's message of "Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:44:31 +1300") References: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770911091809i71b4b3e3tbf97a2324963b38e@mail.gmail.com> <9da4db1f0911091901x106519d5m70737df32b73a6b3@mail.gmail.com> <9da4db1f0911091955j33875706hc10664f84d90dde7@mail.gmail.com> <4AF8EFAF.90905@webworxshop.com> Message-ID: <87aayv2ave.fsf@rimspace.net> Rob Connolly writes: > Bruce Clement wrote: >> So I should hold off for a while? >> >> OK, I'll go and take my technolust by the hand and beg it to return my >> wallet and be patient. >> >> Thanks All > > I have experience with the G1 (which is that in the whole, magic/hero > naming scheme?) That is the HTC Dream; the Magic (AKA Sapphire) and Hero handsets don't have a physical keyboard. [...] > I think most commercial models get over the air updates, so all are likely > to be upgraded to 2.0 fairly soon. So-so; Three Australia have only an official update inside the 1.5 series to address the Linux kernel security hole for uninitialized socket options, which is used to root stuff. AFAIK, they didn't just push that OTA either. So, no 1.6 for the Magic yet, and I wouldn't count on a fast official response. > Just out of interest does anyone have any info about installing custom > images on consumer phones? I want to know whether to save for a dev > phone or go for newer model. Sure; I did exactly that. There is plenty of information out there. To start with, the xda-forums are a good place to get familiar with. Also: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/ Search for 'android', or your model (dream, sapphire, hero), and that should link through to details on how to perform the changes. FWIW, don't do any vendor updates first, because they may make it all harder than it needs to be, and the process is pretty much dead trivial. (For me: download the automatic rooter, run it, replace the recovery image, flash the Cyanogen mod, done.) Daniel -- ? Daniel Pittman ? daniel@rimspace.net ? +61 401 155 707 ? made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons Looking for work? Love Perl? In Melbourne, Australia? We are hiring. From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 20:00:16 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Nov 10 20:00:38 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the Telecom XT network? In-Reply-To: <9da4db1f0911091955j33875706hc10664f84d90dde7@mail.gmail.com> References: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770911091809i71b4b3e3tbf97a2324963b38e@mail.gmail.com> <9da4db1f0911091901x106519d5m70737df32b73a6b3@mail.gmail.com> <9da4db1f0911091955j33875706hc10664f84d90dde7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770911092300g752b8c34v38b4a0920744f9f9@mail.gmail.com> 2009/11/10 Bruce Clement : > So I should hold off for a while? > > OK, I'll go and take my technolust by the hand and beg it to return my > wallet and be patient. the best time to buy tech is always tomorrow... if you like the look of the openmoko, there is a newer model being worked on called the gta-03 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03 and a community developed (with openmoko backing and money) model called gta02-core, which may or may not go somewhere useful From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Nov 11 10:51:56 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Nov 11 10:52:04 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the Telecom XT network? In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770911092300g752b8c34v38b4a0920744f9f9@mail.gmail.com> References: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770911091809i71b4b3e3tbf97a2324963b38e@mail.gmail.com> <9da4db1f0911091901x106519d5m70737df32b73a6b3@mail.gmail.com> <9da4db1f0911091955j33875706hc10664f84d90dde7@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770911092300g752b8c34v38b4a0920744f9f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <11946.218.101.7.214.1257889916.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> On Tue, November 10, 2009 8:00 pm, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/11/10 Bruce Clement : >> So I should hold off for a while? >> >> OK, I'll go and take my technolust by the hand and beg it to return my >> wallet and be patient. > > the best time to buy tech is always tomorrow... > > if you like the look of the openmoko, there is a newer model being > worked on called the gta-03 > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03 > > and a community developed (with openmoko backing and money) model > called gta02-core, which may or may not go somewhere useful > According to Wikipedia, the GTA03 has been cancelled: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko "On 2 April 2009 Openmoko canceled planned phones and will probably concentrate on other kinds of hardware, but will still support and sell the current Neo FreeRunner." Citations: http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/04/228240 http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/09/220244 Looks like the Future of the GTA03, at least as of that date, was uncertain. Openmoko isn't really consumer-ready yet, and isn't being marketed to consumers. It's a great idea though. Mark. From rob at webworxshop.com Wed Nov 11 11:18:33 2009 From: rob at webworxshop.com (Rob Connolly) Date: Wed Nov 11 11:18:53 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the Telecom XT network? In-Reply-To: <87aayv2ave.fsf@rimspace.net> References: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770911091809i71b4b3e3tbf97a2324963b38e@mail.gmail.com> <9da4db1f0911091901x106519d5m70737df32b73a6b3@mail.gmail.com> <9da4db1f0911091955j33875706hc10664f84d90dde7@mail.gmail.com> <4AF8EFAF.90905@webworxshop.com> <87aayv2ave.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: <4AF9E6B9.5010702@webworxshop.com> Daniel Pittman wrote: > Rob Connolly writes: > >> Bruce Clement wrote: >> >>> So I should hold off for a while? >>> >>> OK, I'll go and take my technolust by the hand and beg it to return my >>> wallet and be patient. >>> >>> Thanks All >>> >> I have experience with the G1 (which is that in the whole, magic/hero >> naming scheme?) >> > > That is the HTC Dream; the Magic (AKA Sapphire) and Hero handsets don't have a > physical keyboard. > > [...] > > >> I think most commercial models get over the air updates, so all are likely >> to be upgraded to 2.0 fairly soon. >> > > So-so; Three Australia have only an official update inside the 1.5 series to > address the Linux kernel security hole for uninitialized socket options, which > is used to root stuff. AFAIK, they didn't just push that OTA either. > > So, no 1.6 for the Magic yet, and I wouldn't count on a fast official > response. > > >> Just out of interest does anyone have any info about installing custom >> images on consumer phones? I want to know whether to save for a dev >> phone or go for newer model. >> > > Sure; I did exactly that. There is plenty of information out there. > > To start with, the xda-forums are a good place to get familiar with. > > Also: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/ > > Search for 'android', or your model (dream, sapphire, hero), and that should > link through to details on how to perform the changes. > > FWIW, don't do any vendor updates first, because they may make it all harder > than it needs to be, and the process is pretty much dead trivial. > > (For me: download the automatic rooter, run it, replace the recovery image, > flash the Cyanogen mod, done.) > > Daniel > Thanks, as you said, it looks fairly simple. I like the look of the Cyanogen mod - especially the new tethering support, I always felt this was lacking from the android phones. Rob From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Nov 11 11:42:19 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Nov 11 11:42:20 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the Telecom XT network? In-Reply-To: <11946.218.101.7.214.1257889916.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> References: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770911091809i71b4b3e3tbf97a2324963b38e@mail.gmail.com> <9da4db1f0911091901x106519d5m70737df32b73a6b3@mail.gmail.com> <9da4db1f0911091955j33875706hc10664f84d90dde7@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770911092300g752b8c34v38b4a0920744f9f9@mail.gmail.com> <11946.218.101.7.214.1257889916.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Message-ID: <4AF9EC4B.6090801@catalyst.net.nz> On 11/11/09 Mark Foster wrote: > "On 2 April 2009 Openmoko canceled planned phones and will probably > concentrate on other kinds of hardware, but will still support and > sell the current Neo FreeRunner. I got one of their Wikireaders with Wikipedia on it. Cute and surprisingly useful. All I have ot do now is figure out how to turn it into an ebook reader and print a snazzy new case for it with a backlight. Vik :v) From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Nov 13 13:03:32 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Nov 13 13:03:48 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] December BBQ Message-ID: Hi Guys, Just an update on this: It hasn't died a natural death - I'm just making inquiries with the Auckland City Council about whether we need to book anything or do anything. Here's how I'm hoping this pans out. Event in a park using their bbq. Everyone brings a plate of whatever along (because AuckLUG's extensive imaginary coffers can't cover this in anyway whatsoever). Meet at the park, hopefully enjoy the sun, talk about whatever and generally have a happy day of it. As for date, being the intensely assertive person that I am, I have chosen the first Saturday of the month - so Saturday the 5th of December. It'd probably be helpful to say something about what you may be bringing - I was thinking vegetarian patties and a frying pan myself. Regards, Nevyn. From sond at ihug.co.nz Sun Nov 15 16:00:09 2009 From: sond at ihug.co.nz (sond@ihug.co.nz) Date: Sun Nov 15 16:01:22 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] December BBQ Message-ID: <104180cbc1c926b0c7e5847b5f3a0c65@vodafone.co.nz> Which park will host this BBQ ? .. shading trees could be sensible option, can bring a bucket of good ol' home made potato salad, and cold liquid refreshment b From blakjak at blakjak.net Mon Nov 16 11:20:41 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Mon Nov 16 11:20:49 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] [Fwd: Re: [NZOSS-Openchat] Invitation to complete IT Vendor Capability Survey] Message-ID: <33389.119.15.0.26.1258323641.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Crossposted for your info, apols if you receive multiple copies. See also http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/07EBF01AF2B74A8ACC25766F006EA384 Regards Mark. On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 13:55 +1300, Brenda Chawner wrote: > I would like to invite you to complete an online survey designed to find out > what services New Zealand IT vendors can offer to support a free software > desktop. Free software is software released under a license that supports > the four essential software freedoms, which allow users to > > * run the program for any purpose (Freedom 0) > * study the source code, and improve it to better meet their needs (Freedom > 1) > * distribute copies of the software to others (Freedom 2) > * distribute modified versions of the software to others (Freedom 3) > > For more information about free software, please see: > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html > > The survey is being conducted by the New Zealand Open Source Society and the > School of Information Management at Victoria University of Wellington as > part of the Public Sector Remix project, which seeks to demonstrate the > viability of free software for use by New Zealand government agencies. It > includes questions about your current services, including > > * end user support and training, > * desktop configuration management, and > * server integration > > You are also asked to provide information about which free software packages > are used within your organisation, and how people from your organisation > contribute to free software projects. Before starting to complete the > survey, you may find it useful to find out what free software packages other > staff within your organisation use, and whether they contribute to the > projects in any way. It should take you up to 45 minutes to complete the > survey. > > The data you provide will be stored securely in a password-protected file > for up to two years, and only the researchers will have access to it. The > aggregated results will be shared with the government agencies who are > participating in the Public Sector Remix project, and they may be presented > at conferences such as GOVIS, or published in academic, professional, or > industry journals. No organisations or individuals will be named in any > presentations or publications that report on the results of this survey. > > A summary of the results will be published on the New Zealand Open Source > Society website once the data is analysed; this is likely to be in early > 2010. > > The survey starts at > http://survey.publicsectorremix.org.nz/index.php?sid=87388&lang=en > > If you have any questions about the survey, please contact: Brenda Chawner > brenda.chawner@vuw.ac.nz. For more information about the Public Sector Remix > project, please contact: John Rankin john.rankin@affinity.co.nz. > -- > Brenda Chawner > Senior Lecturer > School of Information Management > Victoria University of Wellington > P O Box 600, Wellington NEW ZEALAND > (04) 463 5780 | fax (04) 463 5446 | Room EA201 | brenda.chawner@vuw.ac.nz > From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 17 13:45:11 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Nov 17 13:45:19 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the Telecom XT network? In-Reply-To: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <647533.44694.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Howdy buys & girls! Brought back an HTC Hero from Hong Kong (worked out about NZ$750, including an extra 4G SD) on my honeymoon.... and it ROCKS! Haven't been able to put it down since I got it :D Works fine on Voda, 2-degrees & Telecom network (not too sure about XT, but I expect it would be fine), though Telecom's coverage @ work is pretty poor. I'm on prepaid & thinking of moving to Telecom network (had enough of voda's total BS & extremely poor customer support) Running v.1.6 firmware (eclair?), but apparently v.2.0 (Doughnut) is coming out "soon" I absolutely LOVE this device & IMO it blows EVERYTHING else out of the water Couple of minor gripes@ the mo', such as issues with importing numbers from FB & automatically syncing it with my google contacts (due to FB's T&C), but that's a minor annoyance & not a show-stopper. Bluetooth's also a bit iffy, but I think these & some other issues will be resolved with the firmware upgrade. Also, not "thethering" without rooting the device, which I'll do after I've installed v2 (not sure what that'll do to my warranty; but who cares) As for sync with Ubuntu; sorry, but that's a no-go (no decent apps available at present on Ubuntu). That may change with adoption. Make no mistake: the Android is PLENTY open; even has a setting for allowing the installation of apps from from "untrusted" sources, and has another for debugging via USB cable. This is WAY more than either the iphone, wimo, of crackberry has to offer All-in-all I'm an EXTREMELY happy customer & I can highly recommend an Android handset (I see Dell's bringing out a unit too) Cheers & see ya'all @ the BBQ (or KiwiCon) - Jaco ----- Original Message ---- From: Bruce Clement To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list Sent: Tue, 10 November, 2009 14:45:10 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the TelecomXT network? Title really says it all, I'm a reasonably content telecom customer, but my phone's nearing end of life & I will need to replace it shortly. I want something that is open, preferably Linux ('cause I understand that), but worst case would settle for a phone I can synch with my Ubuntu system over Wifi. By open, I really mean I can upload apps to it, I don't want a hand held Tivio. Has anyone got any suggestions? Thanks Bruce PS Sorry to Moderator for wrong return address on original - B -- Bruce Clement _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From thetoolman at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 13:58:09 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Tue Nov 17 13:58:15 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the Telecom XT network? In-Reply-To: <647533.44694.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> <647533.44694.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am looking forward to upgrading to Android one day, but I dont' think that any "blow the iPhone out of the water" quite yet. They are about on par maybe, but there is no iPhone *killer* yet - but there will be :) Lucky: my 3GS cost plenty ... On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Howdy buys & girls! > > Brought back an HTC Hero from Hong Kong (worked out about NZ$750, including > an extra 4G SD) on my honeymoon.... and it ROCKS! > Haven't been able to put it down since I got it :D > > Works fine on Voda, 2-degrees & Telecom network (not too sure about XT, but > I expect it would be fine), though Telecom's coverage @ work is pretty poor. > I'm on prepaid & thinking of moving to Telecom network (had enough of > voda's total BS & extremely poor customer support) > > > Running v.1.6 firmware (eclair?), but apparently v.2.0 (Doughnut) is coming > out "soon" > > I absolutely LOVE this device & IMO it blows EVERYTHING else out of the > water > Couple of minor gripes@ the mo', such as issues with importing numbers > from FB & automatically syncing it with my google contacts (due to FB's > T&C), but that's a minor annoyance & not a show-stopper. > Bluetooth's also a bit iffy, but I think these & some other issues will be > resolved with the firmware upgrade. > Also, not "thethering" without rooting the device, which I'll do after I've > installed v2 (not sure what that'll do to my warranty; but who cares) > > As for sync with Ubuntu; sorry, but that's a no-go (no decent apps > available at present on Ubuntu). That may change with adoption. > > Make no mistake: the Android is PLENTY open; even has a setting for > allowing the installation of apps from from "untrusted" sources, and has > another for debugging via USB cable. > This is WAY more than either the iphone, wimo, of crackberry has to offer > > All-in-all I'm an EXTREMELY happy customer & I can highly recommend an > Android handset (I see Dell's bringing out a unit too) > > Cheers & see ya'all @ the BBQ (or KiwiCon) > > - Jaco > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bruce Clement > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Sent: Tue, 10 November, 2009 14:45:10 > Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the TelecomXT network? > > Title really says it all, I'm a reasonably content telecom customer, but my > phone's nearing end of life & I will need to replace it shortly. > > I want something that is open, preferably Linux ('cause I understand that), > but worst case would settle for a phone I can synch with my Ubuntu system > over Wifi. By open, I really mean I can upload apps to it, I don't want a > hand held Tivio. > > Has anyone got any suggestions? > > Thanks > > Bruce > > PS Sorry to Moderator for wrong return address on original - B > > -- > Bruce Clement > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 17 15:30:52 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Nov 17 15:31:01 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the Telecom XT network? In-Reply-To: References: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> <647533.44694.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <800887.83674.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >I am looking forward to upgrading to Android one day, but I dont' think that >any "blow the iPhone out of the water" quite yet. oooohhhhh, snap! that sounds like a challenge...... but I think you'll win this round, Kimosabe, since my device is not yet rooted (yet!), so there's no tethering available....yet (but I *do* have a handy little app called "wardrive") >They are about on par maybe, but there is no iPhone *killer* yet - but there >will be :) Lucky: my 3GS cost plenty ... yea, it was a close thing. if I didn't find an Android phone I really, REALLY liked, I would've gone for the iPhone 3Gs myself (or a moblin MID). Nice hardware & great product offering available. VERY well-polished I feel that between the iPhone & the Android, the other makers are VERY hard-pressed to come up with somethimg even as remotely as impressive From thetoolman at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 15:40:11 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Tue Nov 17 15:40:19 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the Telecom XT network? In-Reply-To: <800887.83674.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> <647533.44694.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <800887.83674.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The new Droid looks pretty great, running Android 2.0. I have confidence that the Android will win out longer term, but right now the iPhone is still (only just) the winner IMHO. I'm sure in 12 months, the Android options will be >= iPhone. I wonder what the iPhone "4G" will do to try and compete :) ? On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > >I am looking forward to upgrading to Android one day, but I dont' think > that > >any "blow the iPhone out of the water" quite yet. > oooohhhhh, snap! that sounds like a challenge...... but I think you'll win > this round, Kimosabe, since my device is not yet rooted (yet!), so there's > no tethering available....yet (but I *do* have a handy little app called > "wardrive") > > >They are about on par maybe, but there is no iPhone *killer* yet - but > there > >will be :) Lucky: my 3GS cost plenty ... > yea, it was a close thing. if I didn't find an Android phone I really, > REALLY liked, I would've gone for the iPhone 3Gs myself (or a moblin MID). > Nice hardware & great product offering available. VERY well-polished > > I feel that between the iPhone & the Android, the other makers are VERY > hard-pressed to come up with somethimg even as remotely as impressive > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! From daniel at rimspace.net Tue Nov 17 15:51:21 2009 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Tue Nov 17 15:52:54 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Any Linux handsets for the Telecom XT network? In-Reply-To: (Tim Toolman's message of "Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:40:11 +1300") References: <9da4db1f0911091745n58b98442t93ae9018d1978d3@mail.gmail.com> <647533.44694.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <800887.83674.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <871vjxhniu.fsf@rimspace.net> Tim Toolman writes: > The new Droid looks pretty great, running Android 2.0. I have confidence > that the Android will win out longer term, but right now the iPhone is still > (only just) the winner IMHO. I'm sure in 12 months, the Android options > will be >= iPhone. I wonder what the iPhone "4G" will do to try and compete > :) ? It was pointed out elsewhere that the Android options still have very limited storage space for applications compared to the iPhone; on the later having applications that are tens, if not hundreds, of megabytes is reasonably common. This, indeed, is still a feature of the iPhone that Android has not caught up with ? and the iPhone still has a lead in video gaming.[1] Not that I didn't chose Android anyway, but it isn't quite that clear-cut yet. Daniel Footnotes: [1] Enough so, in fact, that Nintendo and friends are starting to worry about how they will compete with the device. -- ? Daniel Pittman ? daniel@rimspace.net ? +61 401 155 707 ? made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 12:02:17 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Nov 18 12:02:25 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] December BBQ annoucement Message-ID: Hi everyone, Well I finally heard back from the Auckland City Council. We're welcome to use the facilities so long as we're not wanting to put up a marquee or bring our own tables and stuff. I'd hazard a guess and say that this is more about not showing off commercial interests than anything and given we're not commercial in anyway whatosever, I don't think we'd have too much of a problem with one table. So the details: When: 5th December, 11:00-14:00 (3 hours sound about right?) Where: Outhwaite park, Corner Park Rd, Carlton Gore Rd Grafton http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=174.764724731445&minlat=-36.8656692504883&maxlon=174.778198242188&maxlat=-36.8626022338867 What to bring: Bring a plate - let us know what you're bringing so that we don't double up. Who's invited: Anyone and everyone basically. UALUG are an obvious choice, I'll put a notice on POINTS. Can anyone think of any other groups who might want to come along? Regards, Nevyn. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 18 13:04:44 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Nov 18 13:04:57 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] December BBQ annoucement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <430398.22269.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Is there a standard syntax for referencing of geo data/URI's? Reason I'm asking is that I've found this nifty OSM client for android (that I can use in stead of gmaps): http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-codesector-maverick-lite-qDiC.aspx If I can a standard geo link, I can use it very easily - J P.S. found this nifty piece of tech that REALLY blew me away: info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_Code generator: http://qrcode.kaywa.com/ mobile scanner: http://www.beetagg.com/supportedphones/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Nevyn To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list Sent: Wed, 18 November, 2009 12:02:17 Subject: [AuckLUG] December BBQ annoucement Hi everyone, Well I finally heard back from the Auckland City Council. We're welcome to use the facilities so long as we're not wanting to put up a marquee or bring our own tables and stuff. I'd hazard a guess and say that this is more about not showing off commercial interests than anything and given we're not commercial in anyway whatosever, I don't think we'd have too much of a problem with one table. So the details: When: 5th December, 11:00-14:00 (3 hours sound about right?) Where: Outhwaite park, Corner Park Rd, Carlton Gore Rd Grafton http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=174.764724731445&minlat=-36.8656692504883&maxlon=174.778198242188&maxlat=-36.8626022338867 What to bring: Bring a plate - let us know what you're bringing so that we don't double up. Who's invited: Anyone and everyone basically. UALUG are an obvious choice, I'll put a notice on POINTS. Can anyone think of any other groups who might want to come along? Regards, Nevyn. _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From g.kloss at massey.ac.nz Wed Nov 18 14:14:43 2009 From: g.kloss at massey.ac.nz (Guy K. Kloss) Date: Wed Nov 18 14:14:57 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] geo location URIs (was: Re: December BBQ annoucement) In-Reply-To: <430398.22269.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <430398.22269.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200911181414.43619.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:04:44 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Is there a standard syntax for referencing of geo data/URI's? That brings me to another question. I've used in the past http://geohash.org/ I really like the ease and friendliness of the location encoding, and if you drop a couple of characters off the end of the URL you're still in the same spot, just with less accuracy. I wonder whether something like that also exists for OSM, as I don't like a tool being tied to a single/commercial vendor (Google). Maybe something like that is available from OSM itself already? Guy -- Guy K. Kloss Institute of Information and Mathematical Sciences Te Kura P?taiao o M?hiohio me P?ngarau Massey University, Albany (North Shore City, Auckland) 473 State Highway 17, Gate 1, Mailroom, Quad B Building voice: +64 9 414-0800 ext. 9585 fax: +64 9 441-8181 G.Kloss@massey.ac.nz http://www.massey.ac.nz/~gkloss From robin.paulson at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 21:22:46 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Wed Nov 18 21:22:53 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] geo location URIs (was: Re: December BBQ annoucement) In-Reply-To: <200911181414.43619.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> References: <430398.22269.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200911181414.43619.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770911180022t761eef49r11cfc300152de472@mail.gmail.com> 2009/11/18 Guy K. Kloss : > That brings me to another question. I've used in the past http://geohash.org/ > > I really like the ease and friendliness of the location encoding, and if you > drop a couple of characters off the end of the URL you're still in the same > spot, just with less accuracy. I wonder whether something like that also > exists for OSM, as I don't like a tool being tied to a single/commercial > vendor (Google). Maybe something like that is available from OSM itself > already? is this what you mean? http://osm.org/go/uuVKMwZg-- check the bottom rh corner From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 19 16:17:45 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Nov 19 16:17:53 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] geo location URIs (was: Re: December BBQ annoucement) In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770911180022t761eef49r11cfc300152de472@mail.gmail.com> References: <430398.22269.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200911181414.43619.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> <2f3aa2770911180022t761eef49r11cfc300152de472@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20369.51596.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Not really; those are static links or tiny-url's. Looking for something a bit more platform-agnostic (works equally well in OSM, g-maps, Maveric, TomTom, Garmin, NavMan, etc) The closest I'm getting is the value "lat=-36.8999004364014&lon=174.666566848755", which is a pretty close approximation, but not quite a standard syntax Let me give you an example of what I mean: * Assume the value in the correct syntax to be "lat=-36.8999004364014&lon=174.666566848755" * so, when sharing/referring to geo data, I send only that value * I can then take that value, and make a QR Code image (referenced earlier), that I can then share, or post & do some other pretty cool things with http://qrcode.kaywa.com/img.php?s=8&d=lat%3D-36.8999004364014%26lon%3D174.666566848755 * use a QR reader to quickly & easily read the geo/event data, and add it to my schedule (VERY quick input; no messing about with fiddly keypads) Of course, a somewhat quick solution may be to put all that info on a page & QR it's URI - J ----- Original Message ---- From: Robin Paulson To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list Sent: Wed, 18 November, 2009 21:22:46 Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] geo location URIs (was: Re: December BBQ annoucement) 2009/11/18 Guy K. Kloss : > That brings me to another question. I've used in the past http://geohash.org/ > > I really like the ease and friendliness of the location encoding, and if you > drop a couple of characters off the end of the URL you're still in the same > spot, just with less accuracy. I wonder whether something like that also > exists for OSM, as I don't like a tool being tied to a single/commercial > vendor (Google). Maybe something like that is available from OSM itself > already? is this what you mean? http://osm.org/go/uuVKMwZg-- check the bottom rh corner _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From g.kloss at massey.ac.nz Thu Nov 19 16:32:38 2009 From: g.kloss at massey.ac.nz (Guy K. Kloss) Date: Thu Nov 19 16:32:51 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] geo location URIs (was: Re: December BBQ annoucement) In-Reply-To: <20369.51596.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <2f3aa2770911180022t761eef49r11cfc300152de472@mail.gmail.com> <20369.51596.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200911191632.38586.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:17:45 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Not really; those are static links or tiny-url's. Apparently not entirely true. I've snipped characters off the end of the URL and it still points pretty much at the same spot with increasing inaccuracy. And the zoom level varies on the web page. I don't know what algorithm they're using to implement these URLs, but I doubt that they're as nifty with interleaved bits, etc. as the geohash.org algorithm works. It might be really worth implementing that one for OSM as well as it is very brief and compact, and also robust against right hand shortening. Guy -- Guy K. Kloss Institute of Information and Mathematical Sciences Te Kura P?taiao o M?hiohio me P?ngarau Massey University, Albany (North Shore City, Auckland) 473 State Highway 17, Gate 1, Mailroom, Quad B Building voice: +64 9 414-0800 ext. 9585 fax: +64 9 441-8181 G.Kloss@massey.ac.nz http://www.massey.ac.nz/~gkloss From g.kloss at massey.ac.nz Thu Nov 19 08:04:50 2009 From: g.kloss at massey.ac.nz (Guy K. Kloss) Date: Thu Nov 19 17:34:09 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] geo location URIs (was: Re: December BBQ annoucement) In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770911180022t761eef49r11cfc300152de472@mail.gmail.com> References: <200911181414.43619.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> <2f3aa2770911180022t761eef49r11cfc300152de472@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200911190804.51249.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:22:46 Robin Paulson wrote: > is this what you mean? > > http://osm.org/go/uuVKMwZg-- > > check the bottom rh corner Yes, it does seem that way. It's a short link, and the less characters on the URL I'm using (removing from the right) the less accurate the positioning becomes. Thx, Guy -- Guy K. Kloss Institute of Information and Mathematical Sciences Te Kura P?taiao o M?hiohio me P?ngarau Massey University, Albany (North Shore City, Auckland) 473 State Highway 17, Gate 1, Mailroom, Quad B Building voice: +64 9 414-0800 ext. 9585 fax: +64 9 441-8181 G.Kloss@massey.ac.nz http://www.massey.ac.nz/~gkloss From martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz Thu Nov 19 17:47:58 2009 From: martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz (Martin D Kealey) Date: Thu Nov 19 17:48:10 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] geo location URIs (was: Re: December BBQ annoucement) In-Reply-To: <20369.51596.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <430398.22269.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200911181414.43619.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> <2f3aa2770911180022t761eef49r11cfc300152de472@mail.gmail.com> <20369.51596.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Nov 2009, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > The closest I'm getting is the value > "lat=-36.8999004364014&lon=174.666566848755", which is a pretty close > approximation, but not quite a standard syntax More remarkable than the non-standard syntax is the resolution: I'd really like to buy one of your 10nm-resolution GPS units. -Martin PS: That's not "nm" for nautical miles, that's "nm" for nanometres. PPS: By way of illustration, that's precise enough to denote a location a quarter of the way between two circuit tracks laid out within an integrated circuit printed with 45nm lithography. From g.kloss at massey.ac.nz Mon Nov 23 18:48:23 2009 From: g.kloss at massey.ac.nz (Guy K. Kloss) Date: Mon Nov 23 18:49:19 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] December BBQ annoucement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200911231848.23776.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> Mal sehen was ich so habe ... Juergen Czerwonka: juergen.cz@gmx.net Hmmm, mehr habe ich auch nicht finden koennen. Guy PS: Versuche doch mal die folgenden eMail-Adressen. Die koennten mehr wissen ueber den Verbleib von Anke v. R., Nici Walbrun, und ggf. ein paar andere. Torsten Leidiger Axel Berges Mirko Althoff -- Guy K. Kloss Institute of Information and Mathematical Sciences Te Kura P?taiao o M?hiohio me P?ngarau Room 2.63, Quad Block A Building Massey University, Auckland, Albany Private Bag 102 904, North Shore Mail Centre voice: +64 9 414-0800 ext. 9585 fax: +64 9 441-8181 eMail: G.Kloss@massey.ac.nz http://iims.massey.ac.nz From g.kloss at massey.ac.nz Mon Nov 23 18:49:52 2009 From: g.kloss at massey.ac.nz (Guy K. Kloss) Date: Mon Nov 23 18:50:25 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] December BBQ annoucement In-Reply-To: <200911231848.23776.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> References: <200911231848.23776.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <200911231849.52149.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> Sorry, somehow a misguided reply. (I hate touch pads on laptops!) Guy -- Guy K. Kloss Institute of Information and Mathematical Sciences Te Kura P?taiao o M?hiohio me P?ngarau Room 2.63, Quad Block A Building Massey University, Auckland, Albany Private Bag 102 904, North Shore Mail Centre voice: +64 9 414-0800 ext. 9585 fax: +64 9 441-8181 eMail: G.Kloss@massey.ac.nz http://iims.massey.ac.nz From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Thu Nov 26 14:18:23 2009 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (Don Johnston) Date: Thu Nov 26 14:18:34 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Installing Ubuntu or Mint on an Eee PC Message-ID: <4B0E8E2F.23499.133BE2A@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> I have an Eee PC Model 701, currently running Xandros. I ran into problems trying to install Lyx, one of the reasons being shortage of solid state disc space. I am thinking of buying an SDHC card and installing either Ubuntu or Mint and also Lyx on it. Would an Apacer class 4 or class 6 card be suitable and give reasonable performance? I won't be storing much data on the machine, primarily because I use a flash drive for that purpose. Would an 8 Gb card be adequate? I don't have an external CD ROM drive so I will need to use a flash drive to install Ubuntu or Mint. Should I use the netbook remix version of Ubuntu? Am I likely to encounter any problems? Don Johnston From vik at catalyst.net.nz Thu Nov 26 14:21:52 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Thu Nov 26 14:21:58 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Installing Ubuntu or Mint on an Eee PC In-Reply-To: <4B0E8E2F.23499.133BE2A@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B0E8E2F.23499.133BE2A@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: <4B0DD830.1010608@catalyst.net.nz> On 26/11/09 Don Johnston wrote: > I am thinking of buying an SDHC card and installing either Ubuntu or > Mint and also Lyx on it. Would an Apacer class 4 or class 6 card be > suitable and give reasonable performance? I won't be storing much > data on the machine, primarily because I use a flash drive for that > purpose. Would an 8 Gb card be adequate? > > I don't have an external CD ROM drive so I will need to use a flash > drive to install Ubuntu or Mint. Should I use the netbook remix > version of Ubuntu? > > Am I likely to encounter any problems? I put 9.04 netbook remix on one. No real problem other than you run out of space if you keep your apt repository on the laptop! Varying degrees of success with vodems, but wvdial always works in the end. Vik :v) From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 26 14:43:04 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Nov 26 14:43:15 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Installing Ubuntu or Mint on an Eee PC In-Reply-To: <4B0E8E2F.23499.133BE2A@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B0E8E2F.23499.133BE2A@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: <653116.56975.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Little no no hassles with either mint or ubuntu on my 701; either running it on the host, or off an SD. Karmic's remix is pretty decent (works well with the small display & spec), but I'd highly recommend using the eee-specific distro's, such as eeebuntu, since it's got a few extras tweaks for that system. Got a Hawei vodem recently & works fine with a voda pre-pay SIM (though it's not so straight-forward with Telecom; only Voda's APN settings are loaded in the default distro) When running off flash media (such as a SD ur USB drive), be sure to disable swap, since too frequent writes to the flash media will cook it, and reduce standby time The largest SD I've run in mine was 4GB SDHC, but I doubt you'll have any hassles with 8GB (the later model all have host storage larger than 4G) The only issue I've had was trying to running a few other distros, such as Android, Moblin or the OLPC SugarOS (the netbook's spec comes up *just* short) When loading the bootable flash device, use either UNetBootIn (VERY simple), or the USB creator that was included in the distro's since Jaunty (I think). The latter will allow you to reserve extra capacity on the disk to store your own data, therby allowing persistence. UNetBootIn does not allow this. As for running multiple live-distro's off the same media; it's more trouble than it's worth (though it is possible). It's less hassle to simply have multiple inexpensige 1G or 2G flash drives, each with it's own seperate distro Hope this helps - J From blakjak at blakjak.net Thu Nov 26 16:03:55 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Thu Nov 26 16:04:19 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Installing Ubuntu or Mint on an Eee PC In-Reply-To: <4B0E8E2F.23499.133BE2A@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B0E8E2F.23499.133BE2A@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: <56009.119.15.0.26.1259204635.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> On Thu, November 26, 2009 2:18 pm, Don Johnston wrote: > I have an Eee PC Model 701, currently running Xandros. I ran into > problems trying to install Lyx, one of the reasons being shortage of > solid state disc space. > > I am thinking of buying an SDHC card and installing either Ubuntu or > Mint and also Lyx on it. Would an Apacer class 4 or class 6 card be > suitable and give reasonable performance? I won't be storing much > data on the machine, primarily because I use a flash drive for that > purpose. Would an 8 Gb card be adequate? > > I don't have an external CD ROM drive so I will need to use a flash > drive to install Ubuntu or Mint. Should I use the netbook remix > version of Ubuntu? > > Am I likely to encounter any problems? > > Don Johnston > Don, http://www.geteasypeasy.com/ Is what is formerly known as 'ubuntu-eee'. I use Ubuntu-eee (I expect it's based on v8.10 but to be honest havn't looked too hard, I did install it some 15 months ago) and generally find it's pretty seamless. Default apps, plus a few of my own, and I still have ~800 meg of my 4 Gig SSD free. It's got everything on it I need, is reasonably stable; It installs off USB and the means to do so is provided. I have a 4 Gig SD Card to use as additional storage media, havnt needed to use it yet. Mark. From robin.paulson at gmail.com Thu Nov 26 16:42:16 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Thu Nov 26 16:50:59 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Installing Ubuntu or Mint on an Eee PC In-Reply-To: <4B0E8E2F.23499.133BE2A@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B0E8E2F.23499.133BE2A@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770911251942q678b1369w79d19547b9d91f35@mail.gmail.com> 2009/11/26 Don Johnston : > I am thinking of buying an SDHC card and installing either Ubuntu or > Mint and also Lyx on it. Would an Apacer class 4 or class 6 card be > suitable and give reasonable performance? I won't be storing much this is something i came up against regarding my phone. there are cards of varying performance (indicated by the class), and hence cost. i found out what my phone could actually manage tranfer-speed wise, and selected a card accordingly - it turns out the controller only worked at a very slow rate anyway, so buying an expensive card would have been redundant in general the new pricespy.co.nz site is pretty hideous, but it does give useful info regarding transfer rates, so that might be a useful starting point once you know what your eee is capable of From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Nov 26 20:15:04 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Nov 26 20:15:15 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Installing Ubuntu or Mint on an Eee PC In-Reply-To: <4B0E8E2F.23499.133BE2A@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4B0E8E2F.23499.133BE2A@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Don Johnston wrote: > I have an Eee PC Model 701, currently running Xandros. I ran into > problems trying to install Lyx, one of the reasons being shortage of > solid state disc space. Hi Don, Only replying to this part - should you first have a go at trying to free up some space? Cheaper option and it may buy you some time while you look at purchasing options. Important in the tech world given that the best time to buy is tomorrow. The first tip, given by Vik, would be to clear the apt cache. To do this, at the command line, type in: sudo apt-get autoclean This clears out old archives. To have a look and see how much space you have type in: df -H Just to take the mystery out, it's basically show me disk free in human readable format. After that, it's a case of trying to identify where the space is being used. I think there's a tool based kde which is great for this but I can't remember the name of it at this moment.. Regards, Nevyn. From subscribed at gnuzealand.com Fri Nov 27 14:14:36 2009 From: subscribed at gnuzealand.com (Bruce Clement) Date: Fri Nov 27 14:14:46 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Appeal for Support in Samoa Telecentre Rebuilding Exercise Message-ID: <9da4db1f0911261714o546e65a5wfe08866c189d99ef@mail.gmail.com> [Originally from the InternetNZ members list] On September 29, 2009, an earthquake and subsequent tsunami wreaked devastation on much of the South coast of Samoa. Many people and organisations have already responded to the immediate need for relief and recovery. It?s now time to help with the re-building. One of the lesser known destructions was four Telecentres, used by the communities for basic computing and communications with the outside world. These centres have been a key part of the communities for four years and are already sorely missed. Please follow the link below to learn how you can help. http://www.bookhaven.co.nz/Samoa/Appeal.pdf -- Bruce Clement