From arbscht at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 00:40:08 2009 From: arbscht at gmail.com (Abhishek Reddy) Date: Tue Mar 3 00:40:25 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Setting CPU affinity Message-ID: <6da08ade0903020340q719ea8a3h11e3f127bb176e2@mail.gmail.com> Regarding the question raised at Monday's meetup, to set CPU affinity for a process on Linux, use the `taskset' utility: "taskset is used to set or retrieve the CPU affinity of a running process given its PID or to launch a new COMMAND with a given CPU affinity." - TASKSET(1) On Debian it is provided by the `util-linux' package. The upstream project is http://userweb.kernel.org/~kzak/util-linux-ng/ HTH. From djlewis78 at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 08:51:20 2009 From: djlewis78 at gmail.com (Daniel Lewis) Date: Tue Mar 3 08:51:25 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Setting CPU affinity In-Reply-To: <6da08ade0903020340q719ea8a3h11e3f127bb176e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <6da08ade0903020340q719ea8a3h11e3f127bb176e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <416653940903021151v60db2c67s91ac383c1d428d11@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Abhishek, this could come in hand:) Just wanted to say thankyou to Martin last night for not only organising the venue but also being prepared to forsake food in the interest of the LUG. Regards dan On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Abhishek Reddy wrote: > Regarding the question raised at Monday's meetup, to set CPU affinity > for a process on Linux, use the `taskset' utility: > > "taskset is used to set or retrieve the CPU affinity of a running > process given its PID or to launch a new COMMAND with a given CPU > affinity." - TASKSET(1) > > On Debian it is provided by the `util-linux' package. The upstream > project is http://userweb.kernel.org/~kzak/util-linux-ng/ > > HTH. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From daniel.zollinger at getoutsmart.com Tue Mar 3 12:12:04 2009 From: daniel.zollinger at getoutsmart.com (Daniel Zollinger) Date: Tue Mar 3 12:12:10 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 46, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <49ac6526.1a0bca0a.701f.ffff940eSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <49ac6526.1a0bca0a.701f.ffff940eSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9619c48f0903021512g2f918825m633bd11061d9c9e1@mail.gmail.com> > > Just wanted to say thankyou to Martin last night for not only organising > the > venue but also being prepared to forsake food in the interest of the LUG. > Seconded. I learnt heaps from your presentation, Martin. I look forward to the next opportunity to use all those neat bits you showed us. Thanks! Kind regards, Daniel Zollinger System Administrator, Smallworlds.com Mobile: +64 21 279 8956 | Landline: +64 9 921 3333 x113 Skype: daniel.zollinger From stuart at learning.ac.nz Tue Mar 3 18:43:35 2009 From: stuart at learning.ac.nz (Stuart Mealor) Date: Tue Mar 3 18:43:12 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] DSE graphics tablet In-Reply-To: <200903022301.CIK51197@imr.mail.isx.net.nz> References: <200903022301.CIK51197@imr.mail.isx.net.nz> Message-ID: <0922C303-13E5-4911-877F-FF3932F51FCD@learning.ac.nz> Hi everyone I was in DSE and noticed the graphics tablets. The model I looked at was Windows and Mac compatible. http://www.dse.co.nz/dse.shop/49acc247003a4abc273fc0a87f3b06cb/Product/View/XH1358 I don't need 'hand writing recognition' or anything like that. - just the ability to originate basic icons and diagrams for use on websites. Of course integrating with GIMP or suchlike would be great! So... 1. Does anyone know if these DSE units are compatible with linux (Ubuntu) ? 2. If not, are there other graphics tablets available in NZ that are? 3. If you use a graphics tablet on linux - any tips from your experience? Thanks so much! Stuart. PS For the first time in months I was in Auckland on the same date as the ALUG meeting! - but them had a meeting at the same time! Fate is not being kind to me at this time :-( Stuart Mealor Managing Director HRD stuart@learning.ac.nz www.hrdnz.com Moodle Partner From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Tue Mar 3 19:03:31 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Tue Mar 3 19:04:50 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] DSE graphics tablet In-Reply-To: <0922C303-13E5-4911-877F-FF3932F51FCD@learning.ac.nz> References: <200903022301.CIK51197@imr.mail.isx.net.nz> <0922C303-13E5-4911-877F-FF3932F51FCD@learning.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1236060211.6183.12.camel@studypad> I know that Gimp has had Wacom support for a long long time. My guess is that if it works for Mac, it should be fine, as it probably follows some standard. On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 18:43 +1300, Stuart Mealor wrote: > Hi everyone > > I was in DSE and noticed the graphics tablets. > The model I looked at was Windows and Mac compatible. > http://www.dse.co.nz/dse.shop/49acc247003a4abc273fc0a87f3b06cb/Product/View/XH1358 > > I don't need 'hand writing recognition' or anything like that. > - just the ability to originate basic icons and diagrams for use on > websites. > > Of course integrating with GIMP or suchlike would be great! > > So... > > 1. Does anyone know if these DSE units are compatible with linux > (Ubuntu) ? > 2. If not, are there other graphics tablets available in NZ that are? > 3. If you use a graphics tablet on linux - any tips from your > experience? > > Thanks so much! Stuart. > > PS For the first time in months I was in Auckland on the same date as > the ALUG meeting! > - but them had a meeting at the same time! Fate is not being kind to > me at this time :-( > > Stuart Mealor > Managing Director HRD > stuart@learning.ac.nz > www.hrdnz.com > Moodle Partner > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Mar 3 19:04:42 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Mar 3 19:06:11 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] DSE graphics tablet In-Reply-To: <0922C303-13E5-4911-877F-FF3932F51FCD@learning.ac.nz> References: <200903022301.CIK51197@imr.mail.isx.net.nz> <0922C303-13E5-4911-877F-FF3932F51FCD@learning.ac.nz> Message-ID: <15632.119.15.0.26.1236060282.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Stuart If you're not already, I encourage you to join NZLUG; for general topics it has a potentially wider catchment area and isn't Auckland-limited ... On Tue, March 3, 2009 6:43 pm, Stuart Mealor wrote: > Hi everyone > > I was in DSE and noticed the graphics tablets. > The model I looked at was Windows and Mac compatible. > http://www.dse.co.nz/dse.shop/49acc247003a4abc273fc0a87f3b06cb/Product/View/XH1358 > > I don't need 'hand writing recognition' or anything like that. > - just the ability to originate basic icons and diagrams for use on > websites. > > Of course integrating with GIMP or suchlike would be great! > > So... > > 1. Does anyone know if these DSE units are compatible with linux > (Ubuntu) ? > 2. If not, are there other graphics tablets available in NZ that are? > 3. If you use a graphics tablet on linux - any tips from your > experience? > > Thanks so much! Stuart. > > PS For the first time in months I was in Auckland on the same date as > the ALUG meeting! > - but them had a meeting at the same time! Fate is not being kind to > me at this time :-( > > Stuart Mealor > Managing Director HRD > stuart@learning.ac.nz > www.hrdnz.com > Moodle Partner > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Tue Mar 3 19:20:47 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Tue Mar 3 19:21:26 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Networking guide Message-ID: <1236061247.6183.16.camel@studypad> Does anyone know of a decent book or website on networking that traces the history of networking and builds on that explaining each step, up to our modern networks? I realise this is quite specific, but I find it a lot easier to understand stuff if I understand the history and reasoning that lead up to something. Charles Petzold's book 'Code' did this for processors, which was awesome. From swift at swift.4hv.org Tue Mar 3 19:34:38 2009 From: swift at swift.4hv.org (Tim) Date: Tue Mar 3 19:35:22 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] DSE graphics tablet In-Reply-To: <0922C303-13E5-4911-877F-FF3932F51FCD@learning.ac.nz> References: <200903022301.CIK51197@imr.mail.isx.net.nz> <0922C303-13E5-4911-877F-FF3932F51FCD@learning.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1236062078.3259.4.camel@neon.swift> Hi, I'm not sure about the DSE units, but I use a 4x5 Wacom tablet - think it's the Graphire model, which I bought new for around $90. I use it under Gentoo with the linuxwacom drivers, integrates very well with Gimp, Inkscape, and has pretty much replaced my mouse for most stuff. Only tip would be to take care with your Xorg.cfg as with right settings can support much more functionality. Hope this helps, good luck, Tim Giffney > Hi everyone > > I was in DSE and noticed the graphics tablets. > The model I looked at was Windows and Mac compatible. > http://www.dse.co.nz/dse.shop/49acc247003a4abc273fc0a87f3b06cb/Product/View/XH1358 > > I don't need 'hand writing recognition' or anything like that. > - just the ability to originate basic icons and diagrams for use on > websites. > > Of course integrating with GIMP or suchlike would be great! > > So... > > 1. Does anyone know if these DSE units are compatible with linux > (Ubuntu) ? > 2. If not, are there other graphics tablets available in NZ that are? > 3. If you use a graphics tablet on linux - any tips from your > experience? > > Thanks so much! Stuart. > > PS For the first time in months I was in Auckland on the same date as > the ALUG meeting! > - but them had a meeting at the same time! Fate is not being kind to > me at this time :-( > > Stuart Mealor > Managing Director HRD > stuart@learning.ac.nz > www.hrdnz.com > Moodle Partner > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Mar 3 20:17:23 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Mar 3 20:17:32 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Networking guide In-Reply-To: <1236061247.6183.16.camel@studypad> References: <1236061247.6183.16.camel@studypad> Message-ID: Wikipedia is a good start? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_networking On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Josh Martens wrote: > Does anyone know of a decent book or website on networking that traces > the history of networking and builds on that explaining each step, up to > our modern networks? > > I realise this is quite specific, but I find it a lot easier to > understand stuff if I understand the history and reasoning that lead up > to something. Charles Petzold's book 'Code' did this for processors, > which was awesome. > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Tue Mar 3 21:00:42 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Tue Mar 3 21:00:55 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] DSE graphics tablet In-Reply-To: <1236062078.3259.4.camel@neon.swift> References: <200903022301.CIK51197@imr.mail.isx.net.nz> <0922C303-13E5-4911-877F-FF3932F51FCD@learning.ac.nz> <1236062078.3259.4.camel@neon.swift> Message-ID: <1236067242.6183.21.camel@studypad> Have you got pressure working? I remember when my friend who got me into GNU/Linux switched to OSX (hissss) and was showing me his Wacom and how you could push harder to draw a thicker line. He tried to demo it to me on a GNU/Linux machine, but the drivers weren't set up correctly, he did say it _should_ work though. That technology really impressed me, alas I have the artistic talent of cluster of colour blind hedgehogs, in a bag. On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 19:34 +1300, Tim wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not sure about the DSE units, but I use a 4x5 Wacom tablet - think > it's the Graphire model, which I bought new for around $90. > > I use it under Gentoo with the linuxwacom drivers, integrates very well > with Gimp, Inkscape, and has pretty much replaced my mouse for most > stuff. > > Only tip would be to take care with your Xorg.cfg as with right settings > can support much more functionality. > > Hope this helps, good luck, > > Tim Giffney > > > > Hi everyone > > > > I was in DSE and noticed the graphics tablets. > > The model I looked at was Windows and Mac compatible. > > http://www.dse.co.nz/dse.shop/49acc247003a4abc273fc0a87f3b06cb/Product/View/XH1358 > > > > I don't need 'hand writing recognition' or anything like that. > > - just the ability to originate basic icons and diagrams for use on > > websites. > > > > Of course integrating with GIMP or suchlike would be great! > > > > So... > > > > 1. Does anyone know if these DSE units are compatible with linux > > (Ubuntu) ? > > 2. If not, are there other graphics tablets available in NZ that are? > > 3. If you use a graphics tablet on linux - any tips from your > > experience? > > > > Thanks so much! Stuart. > > > > PS For the first time in months I was in Auckland on the same date as > > the ALUG meeting! > > - but them had a meeting at the same time! Fate is not being kind to > > me at this time :-( > > > > Stuart Mealor > > Managing Director HRD > > stuart@learning.ac.nz > > www.hrdnz.com > > Moodle Partner > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From swift at swift.4hv.org Tue Mar 3 22:22:04 2009 From: swift at swift.4hv.org (Tim) Date: Tue Mar 3 22:22:21 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] DSE graphics tablet In-Reply-To: <1236067242.6183.21.camel@studypad> References: <200903022301.CIK51197@imr.mail.isx.net.nz> <0922C303-13E5-4911-877F-FF3932F51FCD@learning.ac.nz> <1236062078.3259.4.camel@neon.swift> <1236067242.6183.21.camel@studypad> Message-ID: <1236072124.3259.12.camel@neon.swift> Hi, Yes, I find pressure works fine in Gimp. I can post my Xorg.cnf on the web if it would help. I think it might work with Inkscape too for some tools. I particularly like the Inkscape "calligraphy", which smoothes the lines as you draw. Tim > Have you got pressure working? I remember when my friend who got me into > GNU/Linux switched to OSX (hissss) and was showing me his Wacom and how > you could push harder to draw a thicker line. He tried to demo it to me > on a GNU/Linux machine, but the drivers weren't set up correctly, he did > say it _should_ work though. That technology really impressed me, alas I > have the artistic talent of cluster of colour blind hedgehogs, in a bag. From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 07:16:22 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Mar 4 07:16:47 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] DSE graphics tablet In-Reply-To: <0922C303-13E5-4911-877F-FF3932F51FCD@learning.ac.nz> References: <200903022301.CIK51197@imr.mail.isx.net.nz> <0922C303-13E5-4911-877F-FF3932F51FCD@learning.ac.nz> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Stuart Mealor wrote: > Hi everyone > > I was in DSE and noticed the graphics tablets. > The model I looked at was Windows and Mac compatible. > http://www.dse.co.nz/dse.shop/49acc247003a4abc273fc0a87f3b06cb/Product/View/XH1358 > > I don't need 'hand writing recognition' or anything like that. > - just the ability to originate basic icons and diagrams for use on > websites. > > Of course integrating with GIMP or suchlike would be great! > > So... > > 1. Does anyone know if these DSE units are compatible with linux (Ubuntu) ? > 2. If not, are there other graphics tablets available in NZ that are? > 3. If you use a graphics tablet on linux - any tips from your experience? > > Thanks so much! Stuart. > > PS For the first time in months I was in Auckland on the same date as the > ALUG meeting! > - but them had a meeting at the same time! Fate is not being kind to me at > this time :-( > > Stuart Mealor Hi Stuart, I'm not sure this is going to help in the least. I attempted a few years ago for a friend and didn't have any luck. Of course a lot can happen in a couple of years. i.e. different model of tablet or advances in drivers / software etc. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Mar 4 10:56:41 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Mar 4 10:57:09 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] April Meet Message-ID: <954669.70224.qm@web25405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi guys, Suggestion for next AuckLUG meet: Jaunty release party: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseParties Maybe tie this in with an install-fest (I'd be happy so scratch my netbook)? - J From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Mar 4 11:02:11 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Mar 4 11:02:58 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: DSE graphics tablet Message-ID: <40917.74400.qm@web25405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> You may wave noticed a "Wacom" driver loading @ boot (think this is now used to drive touch-pads; may have been incarnated now as "Synaptic"). This is generally considered to be THE definitive pen/stylus tablet. I've had various Wacom models in the past (including pre-USB serial), and have had little to no hassles. If you're going to buy a tablet, I'd suggest you stick to Wacom, as the others like Genius are a bit flakey - J From steven at openmedia.co.nz Wed Mar 4 12:26:09 2009 From: steven at openmedia.co.nz (Steven Ellis) Date: Wed Mar 4 12:26:18 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] April Meet In-Reply-To: <954669.70224.qm@web25405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <954669.70224.qm@web25405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <59474.60.234.49.2.1236122769.squirrel@webmail.stevencherie.net> On Wed, March 4, 2009 10:56 am, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > Hi guys, > > Suggestion for next AuckLUG meet: > Jaunty release party: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseParties > > Maybe tie this in with an install-fest (I'd be happy so scratch my > netbook)? > > - J Perhaps the May meeting as the release is currently up for 23rd April -------------------------------------------- Steven Ellis - Technical Director OpenMedia Limited - The Home of myPVR email - steven@openmedia.co.nz website - http://www.openmedia.co.nz From ronw at paradise.net.nz Wed Mar 4 14:40:19 2009 From: ronw at paradise.net.nz (ronw@paradise.net.nz) Date: Wed Mar 4 14:40:34 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Vodafone netbook Message-ID: <1236130819.49addc03a872b@www.paradise.net.nz> Vodafone are going to give away Dell Netbooks which are the Dell Inspiron 9 has anyone managed to get these devices running on linux and still able to work the Vodafone Network? - Ron Wilson From pieter at insync.za.net Wed Mar 4 15:13:25 2009 From: pieter at insync.za.net (Pieter De Wit) Date: Wed Mar 4 15:13:56 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Vodafone netbook In-Reply-To: <1236130819.49addc03a872b@www.paradise.net.nz> References: <1236130819.49addc03a872b@www.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <6932a993251f609315d6d320c69ac270@127.0.0.1> Hi Ron, I assume you talking about the E220 or which ever 3G device they have. I had success with these since they started (about 3 years ago) so fire away any questions. These days things are easier with the development of option and other USB modules. Distro's like Ubuntu support these "out-of-the-box" Cheers, Pieter On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:40:19 +1300 (NZDT), ronw@paradise.net.nz wrote: > Vodafone are going to give away Dell Netbooks which are the Dell Inspiron 9 > has anyone managed to get these devices running on linux and still able to > work > the Vodafone Network? > > > - > Ron Wilson > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Wed Mar 4 18:10:16 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Wed Mar 4 18:10:41 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Vodafone netbook In-Reply-To: <1236130819.49addc03a872b@www.paradise.net.nz> References: <1236130819.49addc03a872b@www.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <1236143416.6127.0.camel@studypad> What? They're just going to give them away? I can just turn up and get one and walk off with a free netbook? On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 14:40 +1300, ronw@paradise.net.nz wrote: > Vodafone are going to give away Dell Netbooks which are the Dell Inspiron 9 > has anyone managed to get these devices running on linux and still able to work > the Vodafone Network? > > > - > Ron Wilson > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From robin.paulson at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 18:25:48 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Wed Mar 4 18:25:58 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Vodafone netbook In-Reply-To: <1236143416.6127.0.camel@studypad> References: <1236130819.49addc03a872b@www.paradise.net.nz> <1236143416.6127.0.camel@studypad> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770903032125q32fa3746mfb46d578b2d5b7e9@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/4 Josh Martens : > What? They're just going to give them away? I can just turn up and get > one and walk off with a free netbook? i would assume it's tied into some sort of 'sell-your-soul-to-the-devil' contract for data over 3g...hence they're not 'free' at all, but subsidised, similarly to a mobile phone on contract this has been brewing for a while in a few countries: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/10/o2_laptops/ http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/11/07/hsdpa_free_eee_deal/ From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Wed Mar 4 18:31:01 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Wed Mar 4 18:31:22 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Vodafone netbook In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770903032125q32fa3746mfb46d578b2d5b7e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <1236130819.49addc03a872b@www.paradise.net.nz> <1236143416.6127.0.camel@studypad> <2f3aa2770903032125q32fa3746mfb46d578b2d5b7e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236144661.6127.2.camel@studypad> Oh that reminds me, do the Eee netbooks have atheros wifi cards? I'm hoping to be able to get my hands on one and replace the intel card in my Thinkpad so I can have wifi with Free software drivers. On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 18:25 +1300, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/3/4 Josh Martens : > > What? They're just going to give them away? I can just turn up and get > > one and walk off with a free netbook? > > i would assume it's tied into some sort of > 'sell-your-soul-to-the-devil' contract for data over 3g...hence > they're not 'free' at all, but subsidised, similarly to a mobile phone > on contract > > this has been brewing for a while in a few countries: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/10/o2_laptops/ > http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/11/07/hsdpa_free_eee_deal/ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From zaf at nrc.co.nz Wed Mar 4 18:35:26 2009 From: zaf at nrc.co.nz (Nick 'Zaf' Clifford) Date: Wed Mar 4 18:35:58 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Vodafone netbook In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770903032125q32fa3746mfb46d578b2d5b7e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <1236130819.49addc03a872b@www.paradise.net.nz> <1236143416.6127.0.camel@studypad> <2f3aa2770903032125q32fa3746mfb46d578b2d5b7e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AE131E.9050507@nrc.co.nz> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 They've been selling them for a short while now, and unless they plan to introduce new pricing, they aren't free by an definition. http://tinyurl.com/bctc5t (vodafone.co.nz website) Short answer: currently $649 on a 24mth 3gb ($69.95/mth) plan. With no strings attached, $949.00 Not a bad price considering the built in GSM modem. Nick Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/3/4 Josh Martens : >> What? They're just going to give them away? I can just turn up >> and get one and walk off with a free netbook? > > i would assume it's tied into some sort of > 'sell-your-soul-to-the-devil' contract for data over 3g...hence > they're not 'free' at all, but subsidised, similarly to a mobile > phone on contract > > this has been brewing for a while in a few countries: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/10/o2_laptops/ > http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/11/07/hsdpa_free_eee_deal/ > > _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing > list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug - -- Nick "Zaf" Clifford http://zaf.geek.nz/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmuExoACgkQJ5ntf7E1YIif0gCfaEpJiP645SLj7uXEY2ubcZQ6 oXgAnj3Vwr/vroMo/5UE0DGHReoNIecr =58MV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From robin.paulson at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 18:35:54 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Wed Mar 4 18:36:09 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Vodafone netbook In-Reply-To: <1236144661.6127.2.camel@studypad> References: <1236130819.49addc03a872b@www.paradise.net.nz> <1236143416.6127.0.camel@studypad> <2f3aa2770903032125q32fa3746mfb46d578b2d5b7e9@mail.gmail.com> <1236144661.6127.2.camel@studypad> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770903032135r16edefcey104dc1945cb12273@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/4 Josh Martens : > Oh that reminds me, do the Eee netbooks have atheros wifi cards? I'm > hoping to be able to get my hands on one and replace the intel card in > my Thinkpad so I can have wifi with Free software drivers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee_PC#Specifications some are atheros. some are ralink with free drivers, but they need binary firmware, so they're half way there. From sbwithers at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 20:38:34 2009 From: sbwithers at gmail.com (Steve Withers) Date: Wed Mar 4 20:38:54 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Vodafone netbook In-Reply-To: <1236143416.6127.0.camel@studypad> References: <1236130819.49addc03a872b@www.paradise.net.nz> <1236143416.6127.0.camel@studypad> Message-ID: <5DF0BF9D-7682-4BA9-8C57-44907520E03E@gmail.com> Internet Assist North Shore could use free netbooks. How is Vodafone giving them away? Prizes? Or surplus to read? Steve Sent from my iPod Touch On 4/03/2009, at 18:10, Josh Martens wrote: > What? They're just going to give them away? I can just turn up and get > one and walk off with a free netbook? > > On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 14:40 +1300, ronw@paradise.net.nz wrote: >> Vodafone are going to give away Dell Netbooks which are the Dell >> Inspiron 9 >> has anyone managed to get these devices running on linux and still >> able to work >> the Vodafone Network? >> >> >> - >> Ron Wilson >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Mar 4 21:02:28 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Mar 4 21:02:50 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Vodafone netbook In-Reply-To: <5DF0BF9D-7682-4BA9-8C57-44907520E03E@gmail.com> References: <1236130819.49addc03a872b@www.paradise.net.nz> <1236143416.6127.0.camel@studypad> <5DF0BF9D-7682-4BA9-8C57-44907520E03E@gmail.com> Message-ID: As has been said (I believe) it'll be 'free with a 2 year contract' or somesuch, tied to a 3G contract. On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Steve Withers wrote: > Internet Assist North Shore could use free netbooks. How is Vodafone giving > them away? Prizes? Or surplus to read? > > Steve > > Sent from my iPod Touch > > On 4/03/2009, at 18:10, Josh Martens wrote: > >> What? They're just going to give them away? I can just turn up and get >> one and walk off with a free netbook? >> >> On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 14:40 +1300, ronw@paradise.net.nz wrote: >>> Vodafone are going to give away Dell Netbooks which are the Dell Inspiron >>> 9 >>> has anyone managed to get these devices running on linux and still able to >>> work >>> the Vodafone Network? >>> >>> >>> - >>> Ron Wilson >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From ronw at paradise.net.nz Wed Mar 4 21:44:28 2009 From: ronw at paradise.net.nz (Ron Wilson) Date: Wed Mar 4 21:44:37 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Vodafone netbook In-Reply-To: <5DF0BF9D-7682-4BA9-8C57-44907520E03E@gmail.com> References: <1236130819.49addc03a872b@www.paradise.net.nz> <1236143416.6127.0.camel@studypad> <5DF0BF9D-7682-4BA9-8C57-44907520E03E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236156268.5485.4.camel@localhost> Sorry Steve et al I may have misled you. I was at Vodafone's briefing last week and they held up the Dell Mini 9 and said that they would be giving the netbook away free in exchange for a two year contract for mobile broadband. I was interested because it could replace my vodem contract and I get the netbook for free so to speak. Doing some arithmetic, it works out you pay around $1000 over two years via Vodafone or you could but the netbook from Dell for around $780 but then you would still have to have some way of getting network access. presumably Vodafone are building into the netbook something like the vodem. I cannot see on Dell site that Dell are doing the same so I think I would be better with Vodafones deal But I would like to replace Windows with some form of Linux but that might stuff up the 3G connection ------------------- Ron Wilson History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon. Napoleon Bonaparte (1769 - 1821) On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 20:38 +1300, Steve Withers wrote: > Internet Assist North Shore could use free netbooks. How is Vodafone > giving them away? Prizes? Or surplus to read? > > Steve > > Sent from my iPod Touch > > On 4/03/2009, at 18:10, Josh Martens wrote: > > > What? They're just going to give them away? I can just turn up and get > > one and walk off with a free netbook? > > > > On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 14:40 +1300, ronw@paradise.net.nz wrote: > >> Vodafone are going to give away Dell Netbooks which are the Dell > >> Inspiron 9 > >> has anyone managed to get these devices running on linux and still > >> able to work > >> the Vodafone Network? > >> > >> > >> - > >> Ron Wilson > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AuckLUG mailing list > >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From ronw at paradise.net.nz Wed Mar 4 21:47:54 2009 From: ronw at paradise.net.nz (Ron Wilson) Date: Wed Mar 4 21:48:13 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Vodafone netbook In-Reply-To: <49AE131E.9050507@nrc.co.nz> References: <1236130819.49addc03a872b@www.paradise.net.nz> <1236143416.6127.0.camel@studypad> <2f3aa2770903032125q32fa3746mfb46d578b2d5b7e9@mail.gmail.com> <49AE131E.9050507@nrc.co.nz> Message-ID: <1236156474.5485.6.camel@localhost> NO that is an Acer and it looks as if you have to buy the Acer and pay a monthly fee. The one Vodafone showed us was a Dell Netbook and he implied that they would be available free with a two year 3G contract. I think he said available April so will wait and see. ------------------- Ron Wilson History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon. Napoleon Bonaparte (1769 - 1821) On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 18:35 +1300, Nick 'Zaf' Clifford wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > They've been selling them for a short while now, and unless they plan > to introduce new pricing, they aren't free by an definition. > > http://tinyurl.com/bctc5t (vodafone.co.nz website) > > Short answer: currently $649 on a 24mth 3gb ($69.95/mth) plan. > With no strings attached, $949.00 > > Not a bad price considering the built in GSM modem. > > Nick > > > Robin Paulson wrote: > > 2009/3/4 Josh Martens : > >> What? They're just going to give them away? I can just turn up > >> and get one and walk off with a free netbook? > > > > i would assume it's tied into some sort of > > 'sell-your-soul-to-the-devil' contract for data over 3g...hence > > they're not 'free' at all, but subsidised, similarly to a mobile > > phone on contract > > > > this has been brewing for a while in a few countries: > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/10/o2_laptops/ > > http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/11/07/hsdpa_free_eee_deal/ > > > > _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing > > list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > - -- > Nick "Zaf" Clifford > http://zaf.geek.nz/ > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkmuExoACgkQJ5ntf7E1YIif0gCfaEpJiP645SLj7uXEY2ubcZQ6 > oXgAnj3Vwr/vroMo/5UE0DGHReoNIecr > =58MV > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From balaji.vp at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 22:05:06 2009 From: balaji.vp at gmail.com (Balaji VP) Date: Wed Mar 4 22:05:17 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux Format free to download for 24 hours only Message-ID: OK, it's time to rock: below you'll find high-res PDFs of Linux Format issue 116. *That's the current, on-sale issue of the magazine.* No DRM. No cost. No catches. You get everything. But there is one small proviso: it will be online for only 24 hours. At 23:59:59 GMT March 4th we'll be taking down this link. So: please tell your friends, tell your LUGs, tell your mailing lists, tell your Twitter/Identica contacts, tell your relatives, classmates, roommates, cellmates and anyone else who you come across, because we won't be repeating this offer! http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only Big thanks to the ORIGINAL POSTER. -- V.P.Balaji.,B.Sc.,GradDipInfSci.,(B.L)., From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Wed Mar 4 22:09:41 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Wed Mar 4 22:09:51 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Vodafone netbook In-Reply-To: <1236156474.5485.6.camel@localhost> References: <1236130819.49addc03a872b@www.paradise.net.nz> <1236143416.6127.0.camel@studypad> <2f3aa2770903032125q32fa3746mfb46d578b2d5b7e9@mail.gmail.com> <49AE131E.9050507@nrc.co.nz> <1236156474.5485.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1236157781.6127.7.camel@studypad> I wonder if these netbooks will come loaded full of DRM controls or even tracking/surveying software. I myself feel a bit worried about vodafone, being the biggest telecommunications company in the world (though China telecom/mobile have more customers I believe), and a company that is also buying up ISP's around the world. Of course you can avoid using them though, but it still worries me having one entity with so much control over communications. On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 21:47 +1300, Ron Wilson wrote: > NO that is an Acer and it looks as if you have to buy the Acer and pay a > monthly fee. > The one Vodafone showed us was a Dell Netbook and he implied that they > would be available free with a two year 3G contract. > I think he said available April so will wait and see. > > > > ------------------- > Ron Wilson > > > History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree > upon. Napoleon Bonaparte (1769 - 1821) > > > On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 18:35 +1300, Nick 'Zaf' Clifford wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > They've been selling them for a short while now, and unless they plan > > to introduce new pricing, they aren't free by an definition. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/bctc5t (vodafone.co.nz website) > > > > Short answer: currently $649 on a 24mth 3gb ($69.95/mth) plan. > > With no strings attached, $949.00 > > > > Not a bad price considering the built in GSM modem. > > > > Nick > > > > > > Robin Paulson wrote: > > > 2009/3/4 Josh Martens : > > >> What? They're just going to give them away? I can just turn up > > >> and get one and walk off with a free netbook? > > > > > > i would assume it's tied into some sort of > > > 'sell-your-soul-to-the-devil' contract for data over 3g...hence > > > they're not 'free' at all, but subsidised, similarly to a mobile > > > phone on contract > > > > > > this has been brewing for a while in a few countries: > > > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/10/o2_laptops/ > > > http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/11/07/hsdpa_free_eee_deal/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing > > > list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > - -- > > Nick "Zaf" Clifford > > http://zaf.geek.nz/ > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iEYEARECAAYFAkmuExoACgkQJ5ntf7E1YIif0gCfaEpJiP645SLj7uXEY2ubcZQ6 > > oXgAnj3Vwr/vroMo/5UE0DGHReoNIecr > > =58MV > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From pieter at insync.za.net Thu Mar 5 07:32:08 2009 From: pieter at insync.za.net (Pieter De Wit) Date: Thu Mar 5 07:32:36 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Vodafone netbook In-Reply-To: <1236157781.6127.7.camel@studypad> References: <1236130819.49addc03a872b@www.paradise.net.nz> <1236143416.6127.0.camel@studypad> <2f3aa2770903032125q32fa3746mfb46d578b2d5b7e9@mail.gmail.com> <49AE131E.9050507@nrc.co.nz> <1236156474.5485.6.camel@localhost> <1236157781.6127.7.camel@studypad> Message-ID: Hi John, I share your fears here, but I worked with "Vodafone" (a child company of them rather, hence the ") when they released the product in that country. I had access to same of the source of the software that they use, and at that time, there was nothing to fear. I can't remember clearly (coffee hasn't kicked in yet) but you can send anonymous usage stats to them via the Windows software - I worked on the Linux side of things. I think the thing to note here is that Vodafone, like any ISP has "full access" to what you do on the network. With the later cards (E220+ - USB etc) you don't even need to use the software to do the dialing, you can use standard. I would start getting worried when the software that they make starts to accept connections from the network. I am not sure about New Zealand, but they tried that trick of "network locking" devices where I am from, it lasted all of a couple of months, since you could unlock them using a cable... Other than that, I am not sure how DRM would effect this device, maybe I missed the point TOTALLY :) Cheers, Pieter On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:09:41 +1300, Josh Martens wrote: > I wonder if these netbooks will come loaded full of DRM controls or even > tracking/surveying software. > > I myself feel a bit worried about vodafone, being the biggest > telecommunications company in the world (though China telecom/mobile > have more customers I believe), and a company that is also buying up > ISP's around the world. Of course you can avoid using them though, but > it still worries me having one entity with so much control over > communications. > > > On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 21:47 +1300, Ron Wilson wrote: >> NO that is an Acer and it looks as if you have to buy the Acer and pay a >> monthly fee. >> The one Vodafone showed us was a Dell Netbook and he implied that they >> would be available free with a two year 3G contract. >> I think he said available April so will wait and see. >> >> >> >> ------------------- >> Ron Wilson >> >> >> History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree >> upon. Napoleon Bonaparte (1769 - 1821) >> >> >> On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 18:35 +1300, Nick 'Zaf' Clifford wrote: >> >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> > Hash: SHA1 >> > >> > They've been selling them for a short while now, and unless they plan >> > to introduce new pricing, they aren't free by an definition. >> > >> > http://tinyurl.com/bctc5t (vodafone.co.nz website) >> > >> > Short answer: currently $649 on a 24mth 3gb ($69.95/mth) plan. >> > With no strings attached, $949.00 >> > >> > Not a bad price considering the built in GSM modem. >> > >> > Nick >> > >> > >> > Robin Paulson wrote: >> > > 2009/3/4 Josh Martens : >> > >> What? They're just going to give them away? I can just turn up >> > >> and get one and walk off with a free netbook? >> > > >> > > i would assume it's tied into some sort of >> > > 'sell-your-soul-to-the-devil' contract for data over 3g...hence >> > > they're not 'free' at all, but subsidised, similarly to a mobile >> > > phone on contract >> > > >> > > this has been brewing for a while in a few countries: >> > > >> > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/10/o2_laptops/ >> > > http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/11/07/hsdpa_free_eee_deal/ >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing >> > > list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > >> > - -- >> > Nick "Zaf" Clifford >> > http://zaf.geek.nz/ >> > >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> > >> > iEYEARECAAYFAkmuExoACgkQJ5ntf7E1YIif0gCfaEpJiP645SLj7uXEY2ubcZQ6 >> > oXgAnj3Vwr/vroMo/5UE0DGHReoNIecr >> > =58MV >> > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > AuckLUG mailing list >> > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From andrewonthenet at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 06:32:47 2009 From: andrewonthenet at gmail.com (andrew ///) Date: Sun Mar 8 06:32:53 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Networking guide In-Reply-To: References: <1236061247.6183.16.camel@studypad> Message-ID: Code is such a cool book! From g.kloss at massey.ac.nz Tue Mar 10 16:32:27 2009 From: g.kloss at massey.ac.nz (Guy K. Kloss) Date: Tue Mar 10 16:32:50 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] wanted: sys admin for Linux cluster Message-ID: <200903101632.27831.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> Hi everybody, today I was asked here whether I knew somebody who'd be interested in administering Massey's (Albany) "super computer" (SGI cluster running Linux). This is a half time position, limited to a year. Maybe it could be extended afterwards, who knows ... The Guys Who Know (TM) would much more prefer to get someone with Linux expertise into the game rather than being forced to have some Wintendo dork forced upon the job. The position available "soon", and they don't want to go through massive public advertising for it as it is only limited anyway. The candidate would manage and maintain the software on the cluster, manage the head node's setup, and the grid gateway (for the KAREN/BeStGrid connectivity to the other partners). There will probably be some other things in it as well, but these are the things off the top of my head that seem most obvious to me right now. Any calls? Guy -- Guy K. Kloss Institute of Information and Mathematical Sciences Te Kura P?taiao o M?hiohio me P?ngarau Room 2.63, Quad Block A Building Massey University, Auckland, Albany Private Bag 102 904, North Shore Mail Centre voice: +64 9 414-0800 ext. 9585 fax: +64 9 441-8181 eMail: G.Kloss@massey.ac.nz http://iims.massey.ac.nz From don at inventory.co.nz Wed Mar 11 21:09:55 2009 From: don at inventory.co.nz (don@inventory.co.nz) Date: Wed Mar 11 21:10:52 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Installing true type fonts in linux Message-ID: <49B828A3.28514.1E9C2E8@don.inventory.co.nz> I was trying to install fonts on my Eee PC which is running Xandros. I have done this successfully before and I am having to do it again because of re-installation of the operating system. I am using "Method 3" from http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/adding-windows-fonts-in- linux.html. After running "mkfontdir" I couldn't find "fonts.cache-1" in the "/usr/share/fonts/truetype" directory. I searched all directories using "find" and couldn't find any trace of it. My knowledge of linux is minimal. What should I do now? Don From blakjak at blakjak.net Thu Mar 12 17:14:37 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Thu Mar 12 17:16:10 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A Message-ID: http://linuxchix.org.nz/node/97 All Please review the link above. This is an issue which has been discussed loudly on many forums of late (NZLUG no exception). The link above is a release by LinuxChix, Waikato LUG and Wellington LUG. I would like to add Auckland LUG and NZLUG endorsement to it.... Before I do so however i'm listening for objections... please fire them at me or discuss on here, but I should think that the release speaks for itself. The release can have us added to it very quickly, but I won't do so arbitrarily... Speak now! :-) If no objections are raised i'll likely indicate our support within the next 24-48 hours. Cheers Mark. (Part of the Admin team for both for NZLUG and AuckLUG; apologies for the crosspost) From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Thu Mar 12 17:29:40 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Thu Mar 12 17:30:00 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1236832180.7116.6.camel@studypad> On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 17:14 +1300, Mark Foster wrote: > If no objections are raised i'll likely indicate our > support within the next 24-48 hours. I think we all agree with regards to the stupid guilt on accusation law, though I expected no less from National. I object to anyone that doesn't support the sentiment above. Please give our support. From ru1812 at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 18:03:31 2009 From: ru1812 at gmail.com (Ru) Date: Thu Mar 12 18:03:52 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <333b9f7c0903112203k69ccd009k49c5706525c56a1c@mail.gmail.com> I'm in :-) actually I heard today on 95bFM that Telstraclear Clear have pulled out of talks with other Telecommunications providers stating that the Amendment is rubbish and should go back to Government for re-legislation and they want nothing to do with it. 95BFM have bCasts of their shows so it might be on their site for download. It was the Wire Show 12 to 2pm On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Mark Foster wrote: > http://linuxchix.org.nz/node/97 > > All > > Please review the link above. This is an issue which has been discussed > loudly on many forums of late (NZLUG no exception). > > The link above is a release by LinuxChix, Waikato LUG and Wellington LUG. I > would like to add Auckland LUG and NZLUG endorsement to it.... > > Before I do so however i'm listening for objections... please fire them at > me or discuss on here, but I should think that the release speaks for > itself. The release can have us added to it very quickly, but I won't do so > arbitrarily... > > Speak now! :-) If no objections are raised i'll likely indicate our > support within the next 24-48 hours. > > Cheers > Mark. > (Part of the Admin team for both for NZLUG and AuckLUG; apologies for the > crosspost) > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From greg at primesoft.co.nz Thu Mar 12 17:55:14 2009 From: greg at primesoft.co.nz (Greg Stevenson) Date: Thu Mar 12 18:07:07 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A In-Reply-To: <1236832180.7116.6.camel@studypad> References: <1236832180.7116.6.camel@studypad> Message-ID: <02c701c9a2ce$bb93d440$32bb7cc0$@co.nz> As I understand it the government is looking to submissions to modify the current bill to produce a voluntary code which ISP's can practically implement which in some way addresses infringement of copyright. The last line of the statement is critical. " The new law must be repealed or rewritten to allow for due process in the name of fairness." The point is we are supposed to be making submissions on the rewriting. To simply shout repeal as loudly as we can is not really taking an active part in our destiny. Suggestions on 3rd party adjudication, time frames on judgements, warning procedures, payment mechanisms to fund such a process should be put forward as alternatives if repeal is not on the table. Greg -----Original Message----- From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] On Behalf Of Josh Martens Sent: Thursday, 12 March 2009 5:30 p.m. To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 17:14 +1300, Mark Foster wrote: > If no objections are raised i'll likely indicate our > support within the next 24-48 hours. I think we all agree with regards to the stupid guilt on accusation law, though I expected no less from National. I object to anyone that doesn't support the sentiment above. Please give our support. _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Thu Mar 12 18:17:56 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Thu Mar 12 18:18:11 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A In-Reply-To: <02c701c9a2ce$bb93d440$32bb7cc0$@co.nz> References: <1236832180.7116.6.camel@studypad> <02c701c9a2ce$bb93d440$32bb7cc0$@co.nz> Message-ID: <1236835076.7116.9.camel@studypad> Why is repeal not on the table in a democracy... Sure they want what they want, and we want what we want... But they're not even allowing what we want as an option. *sigh* On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 17:55 +1300, Greg Stevenson wrote: > As I understand it the government is looking to submissions to modify the > current bill to produce a voluntary code which ISP's can practically > implement which in some way addresses infringement of copyright. > The last line of the statement is critical. " The new law must be repealed > or rewritten to allow for due process in the name of fairness." > The point is we are supposed to be making submissions on the rewriting. To > simply shout repeal as loudly as we can is not really taking an active part > in our destiny. > Suggestions on 3rd party adjudication, time frames on judgements, warning > procedures, payment mechanisms to fund such a process should be put forward > as alternatives if repeal is not on the table. > > Greg > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] On > Behalf Of Josh Martens > Sent: Thursday, 12 March 2009 5:30 p.m. > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A > > On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 17:14 +1300, Mark Foster wrote: > > If no objections are raised i'll likely indicate our > > support within the next 24-48 hours. > > I think we all agree with regards to the stupid guilt on accusation law, > though I expected no less from National. > > I object to anyone that doesn't support the sentiment above. > > Please give our support. > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From greg at primesoft.co.nz Thu Mar 12 19:26:00 2009 From: greg at primesoft.co.nz (Greg Stevenson) Date: Thu Mar 12 19:37:53 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A In-Reply-To: <1236835076.7116.9.camel@studypad> References: <1236832180.7116.6.camel@studypad> <02c701c9a2ce$bb93d440$32bb7cc0$@co.nz> <1236835076.7116.9.camel@studypad> Message-ID: <02ca01c9a2db$696f5010$3c4df030$@co.nz> I'm not saying repeal is off the table, but I have great distain for groups who simply say no and offer no alternative solution. We have voted in a government that for the first time in my living memory are doing things like running job summits to get ideas coming from outside of government, and submissions from industry groups outside of the select committee process to fix faulty legislation and all we can offer is "no". As a group of individuals who often give away our computer expertise help for nothing when someone asks for it, why is it when our government asks for help, we collectively say no, figure it out for yourselves, and pay the consequences at the ballot box if you get it wrong. Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country were, an still are, wise words. -----Original Message----- From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] On Behalf Of Josh Martens Sent: Thursday, 12 March 2009 6:18 p.m. To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list Subject: RE: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A Why is repeal not on the table in a democracy... Sure they want what they want, and we want what we want... But they're not even allowing what we want as an option. *sigh* On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 17:55 +1300, Greg Stevenson wrote: > As I understand it the government is looking to submissions to modify the > current bill to produce a voluntary code which ISP's can practically > implement which in some way addresses infringement of copyright. > The last line of the statement is critical. " The new law must be repealed > or rewritten to allow for due process in the name of fairness." > The point is we are supposed to be making submissions on the rewriting. To > simply shout repeal as loudly as we can is not really taking an active part > in our destiny. > Suggestions on 3rd party adjudication, time frames on judgements, warning > procedures, payment mechanisms to fund such a process should be put forward > as alternatives if repeal is not on the table. > > Greg > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] On > Behalf Of Josh Martens > Sent: Thursday, 12 March 2009 5:30 p.m. > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A > > On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 17:14 +1300, Mark Foster wrote: > > If no objections are raised i'll likely indicate our > > support within the next 24-48 hours. > > I think we all agree with regards to the stupid guilt on accusation law, > though I expected no less from National. > > I object to anyone that doesn't support the sentiment above. > > Please give our support. > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Thu Mar 12 20:01:17 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Thu Mar 12 20:01:26 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A In-Reply-To: <02ca01c9a2db$696f5010$3c4df030$@co.nz> References: <1236832180.7116.6.camel@studypad> <02c701c9a2ce$bb93d440$32bb7cc0$@co.nz> <1236835076.7116.9.camel@studypad> <02ca01c9a2db$696f5010$3c4df030$@co.nz> Message-ID: <1236841277.7116.24.camel@studypad> I'm not saying I don't want to help. I'm saying I don't want their pathetic new laws, and stopping them would be helping my country as far as I'm concerned. Just try reading the transcripts on the right hand side here. http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/Legislation/Bills/b/2/a/00DBHOH_BILL7735_1-Copyright-New-Technologies-Amendment-Bill.htm These people have no clue about technology, yet they're going full steam ahead to make laws to control the use of technology. The only one that spoke from a position of any knowledge was Nandor, the rest were either repeating the position of some other entity or simply insulting each other. Personally I'm sick of the mess that the generation which current politicians belong to have created. They've screwed up the planet, let essential freedoms get trodden all over and encouraged a generation of stupid unquestioning superstitious consumers. They don't even want to hear from people like myself (oh that's another thing, my generation is almost entirely apathetic when it comes to politics) that would advocate a drastic reduction in the length of copyright. They also like to simply completely ignore data that goes against their beliefs. How about they start using technology to reach out to my generation. Get input from the population. Make themselves more accountable. I've tried writing to our politicians before, concerning software patents in New Zealand, they don't know and they don't care. On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 19:26 +1300, Greg Stevenson wrote: > I'm not saying repeal is off the table, but I have great distain for groups > who simply say no and offer no alternative solution. > We have voted in a government that for the first time in my living memory > are doing things like running job summits to get ideas coming from outside > of government, and submissions from industry groups outside of the select > committee process to fix faulty legislation and all we can offer is "no". As > a group of individuals who often give away our computer expertise help for > nothing when someone asks for it, why is it when our government asks for > help, we collectively say no, figure it out for yourselves, and pay the > consequences at the ballot box if you get it wrong. > Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your > country were, an still are, wise words. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] On > Behalf Of Josh Martens > Sent: Thursday, 12 March 2009 6:18 p.m. > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Subject: RE: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A > > Why is repeal not on the table in a democracy... Sure they want what > they want, and we want what we want... But they're not even allowing > what we want as an option. *sigh* > > On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 17:55 +1300, Greg Stevenson wrote: > > As I understand it the government is looking to submissions to modify the > > current bill to produce a voluntary code which ISP's can practically > > implement which in some way addresses infringement of copyright. > > The last line of the statement is critical. " The new law must be repealed > > or rewritten to allow for due process in the name of fairness." > > The point is we are supposed to be making submissions on the rewriting. To > > simply shout repeal as loudly as we can is not really taking an active > part > > in our destiny. > > Suggestions on 3rd party adjudication, time frames on judgements, warning > > procedures, payment mechanisms to fund such a process should be put > forward > > as alternatives if repeal is not on the table. > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] > On > > Behalf Of Josh Martens > > Sent: Thursday, 12 March 2009 5:30 p.m. > > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A > > > > On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 17:14 +1300, Mark Foster wrote: > > > If no objections are raised i'll likely indicate our > > > support within the next 24-48 hours. > > > > I think we all agree with regards to the stupid guilt on accusation law, > > though I expected no less from National. > > > > I object to anyone that doesn't support the sentiment above. > > > > Please give our support. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From kiirani at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 21:45:05 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Thu Mar 12 21:45:21 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Installing true type fonts in linux In-Reply-To: <49B828A3.28514.1E9C2E8@don.inventory.co.nz> References: <49B828A3.28514.1E9C2E8@don.inventory.co.nz> Message-ID: <2494ad260903120145x346c99c7i637b2f615bf82399@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/11 : > I was trying to install fonts on my Eee PC which is running Xandros. I > have done this successfully before and I am having to do it again > because of re-installation of the operating system. I am using "Method > 3" from http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/adding-windows-fonts-in- > linux.html. > > After running "mkfontdir" I couldn't find "fonts.cache-1" in the > "/usr/share/fonts/truetype" directory. I searched all directories using > "find" and couldn't find any trace of it. > > My knowledge of linux is minimal. > > What should I do now? Hi Don, I'm fairly sure I've encountered this problem before myself, but it was a while ago so I don't entirely remember how I fixed it. :P However, if your 'mkfontdir' command didn't create the fonts.cache-1 file, it can't hurt to try creating it yourself ('touch fonts.cache-1') then continuing with the instructions. Worst that can happen is it won't work, right? From robin.paulson at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 23:43:12 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Thu Mar 12 23:43:24 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2f3aa2770903120343n22d817fbna9a6bd9fe36b6bd3@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/12 Mark Foster : > Please review the link above. ?This is an issue which has been discussed > loudly on many forums of late (NZLUG no exception). > > The link above is a release by LinuxChix, Waikato LUG and Wellington LUG. I > would like to add Auckland LUG and NZLUG endorsement to it.... > > Before I do so however i'm listening for objections... please fire them at > me or discuss on here, but I should think that the release speaks for > itself. ?The release can have us added to it very quickly, but I won't do so > arbitrarily... > > Speak now! :-) ?If no objections are raised i'll likely indicate our support > within the next 24-48 hours. slightly away from the core question, but: "TelstraClear, has stated it will take down sites accused of hosting copyright infringing material without investigation or verification of the claims." how ridiculous can we make the law, and telstraclear look, by filing mass claims of copyright infringement on every site/user they have and leaving telstraclear with no business, inside a week? if there is no verification required, then there can be no comeback for false allegations. the country (i.e. the people who don't normally give a stuff about complaining) would be in uproar after getting cut off, and it would be repealed/amended within days what are the stances of xtra, ihug, etc? are they leaving themselves open to similar problems in answer to the actual question, i'm happy to add my endorsement to the overall release From swht at clear.net.nz Thu Mar 12 23:54:36 2009 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon) Date: Thu Mar 12 23:54:55 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49B8E9EC.4060906@clear.net.nz> I would like to add my voice to those in favour of calling for a repeal of 92A and ff. including all such laws which - badly drafted as they may be - imply guilt on accusation. Regardless of any specialist knowledge of copyright or the rights of or the nature of ISPs this is without precedent: it is a law which goes against the principle of the law as we know it in New Zealand - innocence until guilt beyond reasonable doubt is proven in a court of law. Simon Taylor www.brazilcoffee.co.nz www.squarewhiteworld.com Mark Foster wrote: > http://linuxchix.org.nz/node/97 > > All > > Please review the link above. This is an issue which has been > discussed loudly on many forums of late (NZLUG no exception). > > The link above is a release by LinuxChix, Waikato LUG and Wellington > LUG. I would like to add Auckland LUG and NZLUG endorsement to it.... > > Before I do so however i'm listening for objections... please fire > them at me or discuss on here, but I should think that the release > speaks for itself. The release can have us added to it very quickly, > but I won't do so arbitrarily... > > Speak now! :-) If no objections are raised i'll likely indicate our > support within the next 24-48 hours. > > Cheers > Mark. > (Part of the Admin team for both for NZLUG and AuckLUG; apologies for > the crosspost) > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 09:36:25 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Mar 13 09:37:03 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A In-Reply-To: <02ca01c9a2db$696f5010$3c4df030$@co.nz> References: <1236832180.7116.6.camel@studypad> <02c701c9a2ce$bb93d440$32bb7cc0$@co.nz> <1236835076.7116.9.camel@studypad> <02ca01c9a2db$696f5010$3c4df030$@co.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Greg Stevenson wrote: > I'm not saying repeal is off the table, but I have great distain for groups > who simply say no and offer no alternative solution. > We have voted in a government that for the first time in my living memory > are doing things like running job summits to get ideas coming from outside > of government, and submissions from industry groups outside of the select > committee process to fix faulty legislation and all we can offer is "no". As > a group of individuals who often give away our computer expertise help for > nothing when someone asks for it, why is it when our government asks for > help, we collectively say no, figure it out for yourselves, and pay the > consequences at the ballot box if you get it wrong. > Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your > country were, an still are, wise words. I've just read the Telstra-Clear position on it and its a well written document. I'm wondering - is there any value in coming up with a list of suggestions to fix this. The main issue that I see is the accusation part. ISP's are expected to cut you off without any proof - just an accusation. Remembering that copyright is a civil matter (taxpayers can't/shouldn't be expected to pay for and look after the interests of commercial entities) and that any judging of copyrighted material would cost the tax payer whereas the current situation is that there is burden of proof on the entities representing copyright owners. i.e. you don't call the police about copyright infringement, you'd have to find which ever entity represents the copyrighted works being violated. In which case, I don't understand why these commercial entities can't spend their own money on a hotline and advertisting campaign rather than expecting ISP's to wear admin and loss of business costs. Regards, Nevyn. From jan.bakuwel at omiha.com Fri Mar 13 10:10:52 2009 From: jan.bakuwel at omiha.com (Jan Bakuwel) Date: Fri Mar 13 10:11:03 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49B97A5C.1090108@omiha.com> Hi Mark, I just got to NZ; emigrated from the Netherlands & running a small ICT business mainly doing Linux based solutions for SMB so none of you know me... yet :-) I'd like to see the AuckLUG support added. Some people on the list suggest we come up with suggestions how to fix it... I am not sure we can. If someone suggests that I stole their car, does that mean I am guilty without the case being looked at by the appropriate (legal) bodies and does that give the accuser the right to demand (!) all petrol stations not to sell me petrol anymore? The only answer to this stupid law is: "No" (or "frog" if you apply the garbage in - garbage out principle). The fix might be "you're guilty after being proven guilty"... ie. there needs to be a legal case, etc, the "normal" way things are supposed to go in a democracy? cheers, Jan Mark Foster wrote: > http://linuxchix.org.nz/node/97 > > All > > Please review the link above. This is an issue which has been > discussed loudly on many forums of late (NZLUG no exception). > > The link above is a release by LinuxChix, Waikato LUG and Wellington > LUG. I would like to add Auckland LUG and NZLUG endorsement to it.... > > Before I do so however i'm listening for objections... please fire > them at me or discuss on here, but I should think that the release > speaks for itself. The release can have us added to it very quickly, > but I won't do so arbitrarily... > > Speak now! :-) If no objections are raised i'll likely indicate our > support within the next 24-48 hours. > > Cheers > Mark. > (Part of the Admin team for both for NZLUG and AuckLUG; apologies for > the crosspost) > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From greg at primesoft.co.nz Fri Mar 13 11:58:15 2009 From: greg at primesoft.co.nz (Greg Stevenson) Date: Fri Mar 13 12:10:13 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A In-Reply-To: <49B97A5C.1090108@omiha.com> References: <49B97A5C.1090108@omiha.com> Message-ID: <034101c9a366$07351200$159f3600$@co.nz> Hi Jan I'm married to a woman from the Netherlands, welcome to New Zealand. I do wonder why in my experience you Dutch are so black and white on issues. We need to take into account the little old New Zealand is also being pushed externally by forces that are only likely to get stronger. As per the report from the Commerce Committee, "This bill takes account of international developments in copyright law, and incorporates many aspects of the two treaties negotiated by the members of the World Intellectual Property Organisation (WIPO)-the WIPO Copyright Treaty and the WIPO Performances and Phonograms Treaty." As a nation we can do our best to opt-out of the Global Community as we did on the Nuclear Ship Visits, arguably to some financial penalty to us and very little penalty to America. To me Status Quo is a difficult case to argue and that our government is asking us for suggestions on solving this issue. We have a GDP per capita about 1/2 that of the Netherlands, and unlike the Netherlands we have an economy totally reliant on Export, we ignore the wishes of the rest of the world at our peril. I firmly believe in democracy and therefore the statement will probably go out with no suggestions on solving the government's dilemma. Perhaps by doing so the bill will be repealed and a new select committee will be tasked with drafting a new one. I only hope that intelligent submissions are made to that. The cost however of a do-over will be high at a time when valuable government resources are needed to remedy our current economic meltdown. Quite likely however the Government will decide the external pressures are too great, we need to be seen to be doing something, no stakeholders have suggested any workable solution, we'll go with what we have and hope it all dies down before the next election. If major stakeholders can't provide positive suggestions I wouldn't blame them. Greg -----Original Message----- From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] On Behalf Of Jan Bakuwel Sent: Friday, 13 March 2009 10:11 a.m. To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A Hi Mark, I just got to NZ; emigrated from the Netherlands & running a small ICT business mainly doing Linux based solutions for SMB so none of you know me... yet :-) I'd like to see the AuckLUG support added. Some people on the list suggest we come up with suggestions how to fix it... I am not sure we can. If someone suggests that I stole their car, does that mean I am guilty without the case being looked at by the appropriate (legal) bodies and does that give the accuser the right to demand (!) all petrol stations not to sell me petrol anymore? The only answer to this stupid law is: "No" (or "frog" if you apply the garbage in - garbage out principle). The fix might be "you're guilty after being proven guilty"... ie. there needs to be a legal case, etc, the "normal" way things are supposed to go in a democracy? cheers, Jan Mark Foster wrote: > http://linuxchix.org.nz/node/97 > > All > > Please review the link above. This is an issue which has been > discussed loudly on many forums of late (NZLUG no exception). > > The link above is a release by LinuxChix, Waikato LUG and Wellington > LUG. I would like to add Auckland LUG and NZLUG endorsement to it.... > > Before I do so however i'm listening for objections... please fire > them at me or discuss on here, but I should think that the release > speaks for itself. The release can have us added to it very quickly, > but I won't do so arbitrarily... > > Speak now! :-) If no objections are raised i'll likely indicate our > support within the next 24-48 hours. > > Cheers > Mark. > (Part of the Admin team for both for NZLUG and AuckLUG; apologies for > the crosspost) > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz Fri Mar 13 18:22:38 2009 From: martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz (Martin D Kealey) Date: Fri Mar 13 18:22:52 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770903120343n22d817fbna9a6bd9fe36b6bd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770903120343n22d817fbna9a6bd9fe36b6bd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Mar 2009, Robin Paulson, quoting the wiki, wrote: > "TelstraClear, has stated it will take down sites accused of hosting > copyright infringing material without investigation or verification of > the claims." That is flatly at odds with what TelstraClear have said in the press release where they withdrew from the CoP negotiations, dated 6 March: http://www.tcf.org.nz/content/650314b3-5646-4ae1-a24d-1945a56e25ba.cmr In particular this bit: 7. Given this position, we do not wish to comment on the proposed code in any detail. However at a high level TelstraClear has the following concerns: a) it requires lSPs to accept allegations as sufficient proof of infringement, provided the ISP can judge that the allegations is of a certain quality, or, for pre-approved rights holders, is in the right form. This reversal of the burden of proof is not mandated by the legislation for inclusion in any policy. lt would require ISPs to act, in some circumstances, as judges, which is inappropriate. It also appears to set the bar for disconnection significantly lower than the legistation would require, which is not in the interests of consumers The statement on the Wiki either needs a citation, or some significant revision. -Martin From blakjak at blakjak.net Fri Mar 13 18:30:10 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Fri Mar 13 18:30:27 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A In-Reply-To: References: <2f3aa2770903120343n22d817fbna9a6bd9fe36b6bd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Mar 2009, Martin D Kealey wrote: > On Thu, 12 Mar 2009, Robin Paulson, quoting the wiki, wrote: >> "TelstraClear, has stated it will take down sites accused of hosting >> copyright infringing material without investigation or verification of >> the claims." > > That is flatly at odds with what TelstraClear have said in the press > release where they withdrew from the CoP negotiations, dated 6 March: > http://www.tcf.org.nz/content/650314b3-5646-4ae1-a24d-1945a56e25ba.cmr > > In particular this bit: > > 7. Given this position, we do not wish to comment on the proposed > code in any detail. However at a high level TelstraClear has the > following concerns: > > a) it requires lSPs to accept allegations as sufficient proof of > infringement, provided the ISP can judge that the allegations > is of a certain quality, or, for pre-approved rights holders, > is in the right form. This reversal of the burden of proof is > not mandated by the legislation for inclusion in any policy. > lt would require ISPs to act, in some circumstances, as > judges, which is inappropriate. It also appears to set the bar > for disconnection significantly lower than the legistation > would require, which is not in the interests of consumers > > The statement on the Wiki either needs a citation, or some significant > revision. Good spotting Martin. +1. The wiki appears to be miles out of date, that was a fairly early statement made by TCL on the subject. The latest news is by comparison, very recent. I cant find a citation for the wiki quote but I do remember it. i'm sure it's in the NZOSS archives somewhere... From swht at clear.net.nz Fri Mar 13 19:17:13 2009 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon) Date: Fri Mar 13 19:17:26 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid Message-ID: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> Dear Auckluggites, if somebody's got a minute or two could they please write down the steps to install / upgrade an app through terminal? The system's Ubuntu Intrepid. (It's been set up with too many partitions and I never seem to find anything, so best to go through Terminal.) The app's zipped up in a file on the desktop: /home/simon/Desktop/Celtx.tar.bz2 I already have Celtx 1.0 installed with a generic launcher at: /usr/local/celtx/celtx And, trying to follow the advice at Ubuntu Beginner's Forum - somebody wanted install instructions - I moved the extracted file, Celtx 2.0, to /opt/ and don't know how to remove it. Or move it and mindmeld it with Celtx 1.0 Additional note: trying to follow the instructions at Celtx download site for Linux: it says right-click and use the 'extract to' option; I don't have an 'extract to' option on right-clicking; I have an 'extract here' option. This gives me a shiny tan file I know not how to move into its appropriate repository. I know these are simple actions but I don't do enough of it to remember the steps and when I have done I've struck problems, making every case case-specific, ideopathic, as it were. Best, Simon Taylor www.brazilcoffee.co.nz www.squarewhiteworld.com From jan.bakuwel at omiha.com Fri Mar 13 20:12:46 2009 From: jan.bakuwel at omiha.com (Jan Bakuwel) Date: Fri Mar 13 20:13:03 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A In-Reply-To: <034101c9a366$07351200$159f3600$@co.nz> References: <49B97A5C.1090108@omiha.com> <034101c9a366$07351200$159f3600$@co.nz> Message-ID: <49BA076E.4090909@omiha.com> Hi Greg, > I'm married to a woman from the Netherlands, welcome to New Zealand. > Thank you! A good choice :-) I'm married to a Kiwi woman - also a good choice... > I do wonder why in my experience you Dutch are so black and white on issues. > Are we really? I like to think of the Dutch as "up-front" :-) If the citizens of the Unsustainable States of America (to mention a random nation) decide that it is in their best interest to push for an international law that allows anyone suspecting someone else of having stolen a car to issue an order to petrol stations not to sell petrol to the person suspected of having stolen that car, would it be a case of "There Is No Alternative" for New Zealand because we are too small? I hope there's a limit to the "non-sense" we accept from over-seas? Aside from my opinion on ridiculous copyright law (spanning centuries now I believe?), I oppose any law that allows people from being seriously penalised on the bases of a suspicion only, without a fair trial. That would feel like a police state! I'll reply to some of what you're quoting below in private - no need to spam our fellow AuckLUG members :-) cheers, Jan From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Fri Mar 13 20:24:51 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Fri Mar 13 20:25:03 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A In-Reply-To: <49BA076E.4090909@omiha.com> References: <49B97A5C.1090108@omiha.com> <034101c9a366$07351200$159f3600$@co.nz> <49BA076E.4090909@omiha.com> Message-ID: <1236929091.6323.5.camel@studypad> > choice... > > > I do wonder why in my experience you Dutch are so black and white on issues. > > > > Are we really? I like to think of the Dutch as "up-front" :-) > This is a geek thing, not a Dutch thing. In some cases it may be attributed to some condition that falls within the autism spectrum, ADD, Aspergers, that_condition_that_makes_you_terrible_at_social_stuff... and so on. > Aside from my opinion on ridiculous copyright law (spanning centuries > now I believe?), I oppose any law that allows people from being > seriously penalised on the bases of a suspicion only, without a fair > trial. That would feel like a police state! > I have to agree. It's like making witch hunting legal. Infact, I think NZ students should all be encouraged to read a chapter from Carl Sagan's book, The Demon Haunted World, titled "Science and witchcraft", so that society can see and avoid the idiotic thinking that fueled witch hunts in other countries. From envy0pla at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 09:36:58 2009 From: envy0pla at gmail.com (Envy0pla) Date: Sat Mar 14 09:37:12 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A In-Reply-To: <1236929091.6323.5.camel@studypad> References: <49B97A5C.1090108@omiha.com> <034101c9a366$07351200$159f3600$@co.nz> <49BA076E.4090909@omiha.com> <1236929091.6323.5.camel@studypad> Message-ID: <4f16d9210903131336k2eeb7ca6j882156a1ec526f38@mail.gmail.com> In favour :) ...and thoroughly enjoying all the discussion. Thank you for the book recommendation :) Have it on my desk right now. On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Josh Martens wrote: > > choice... > > > > > I do wonder why in my experience you Dutch are so black and white on > issues. > > > > > > > Are we really? I like to think of the Dutch as "up-front" :-) > > > > This is a geek thing, not a Dutch thing. In some cases it may be > attributed to some condition that falls within the autism spectrum, ADD, > Aspergers, that_condition_that_makes_you_terrible_at_social_stuff... and > so on. > > > > Aside from my opinion on ridiculous copyright law (spanning centuries > > now I believe?), I oppose any law that allows people from being > > seriously penalised on the bases of a suspicion only, without a fair > > trial. That would feel like a police state! > > > I have to agree. It's like making witch hunting legal. Infact, I think > NZ students should all be encouraged to read a chapter from Carl Sagan's > book, The Demon Haunted World, titled "Science and witchcraft", so that > society can see and avoid the idiotic thinking that fueled witch hunts > in other countries. > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Sat Mar 14 10:06:05 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Sat Mar 14 10:06:20 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A In-Reply-To: <4f16d9210903131336k2eeb7ca6j882156a1ec526f38@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B97A5C.1090108@omiha.com> <034101c9a366$07351200$159f3600$@co.nz> <49BA076E.4090909@omiha.com> <1236929091.6323.5.camel@studypad> <4f16d9210903131336k2eeb7ca6j882156a1ec526f38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236978365.6995.2.camel@studypad> On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 09:36 +1300, Envy0pla wrote: > In favour :) > > ...and thoroughly enjoying all the discussion. Thank you for the book > recommendation :) Have it on my desk right now. > > It's an awesome book, and that chapter is very good. The absolutely horrible, cruel things that were done to people accused of witchcraft... It's one of the few things I've read that made my skin crawl at the thought of it. Would like to know what you thought of it once you've read it. I'll also again recommend 'Code' by Charles Petzold, that book is awesome. From lilypatch at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 14:38:46 2009 From: lilypatch at gmail.com (David Bowen) Date: Sat Mar 14 14:38:59 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A In-Reply-To: <49B97A5C.1090108@omiha.com> References: <49B97A5C.1090108@omiha.com> Message-ID: <49BB0AA6.3020509@gmail.com> Jan Bakuwel wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I just got to NZ; emigrated from the Netherlands & running a small ICT > business mainly doing Linux based solutions for SMB so none of you know > me... yet :-) > > I'd like to see the AuckLUG support added. > > Some people on the list suggest we come up with suggestions how to fix > it... I am not sure we can. If someone suggests that I stole their car, > does that mean I am guilty without the case being looked at by the > appropriate (legal) bodies and does that give the accuser the right to > demand (!) all petrol stations not to sell me petrol anymore? > > The only answer to this stupid law is: "No" (or "frog" if you apply the > garbage in - garbage out principle). > > The fix might be "you're guilty after being proven guilty"... ie. there > needs to be a legal case, etc, the "normal" way things are supposed to > go in a democracy? > > cheers, > Jan > > > > > > Mark Foster wrote: > >> http://linuxchix.org.nz/node/97 >> >> All >> >> Please review the link above. This is an issue which has been >> discussed loudly on many forums of late (NZLUG no exception). >> >> The link above is a release by LinuxChix, Waikato LUG and Wellington >> LUG. I would like to add Auckland LUG and NZLUG endorsement to it.... >> >> Before I do so however i'm listening for objections... please fire >> them at me or discuss on here, but I should think that the release >> speaks for itself. The release can have us added to it very quickly, >> but I won't do so arbitrarily... >> >> Speak now! :-) If no objections are raised i'll likely indicate our >> support within the next 24-48 hours. >> >> Cheers >> Mark. >> (Part of the Admin team for both for NZLUG and AuckLUG; apologies for >> the crosspost) >> Am I wrong, or did much of the objection to this bill arise after they dropped some of the provisions in the final draft. Maybe we should look at getting some of those reinstated? That might be a good place to start From blakjak at blakjak.net Sat Mar 14 15:47:53 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Sat Mar 14 15:48:01 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A In-Reply-To: <49BB0AA6.3020509@gmail.com> References: <49B97A5C.1090108@omiha.com> <49BB0AA6.3020509@gmail.com> Message-ID: >> The fix might be "you're guilty after being proven guilty"... ie. there >> needs to be a legal case, etc, the "normal" way things are supposed to >> go in a democracy? >> Hi Jan, thanks for your comments - the whole point of this legislation (from the proportedly rights-holders perspective) is that the 'legal' aspect of things is 'too hard' in the context of cost, time and dubious chances of proving things / recovering those costs. At least as I understand it. So this is the 'short cut' to remediation of the issue from their POV. (more below) >> Mark Foster wrote: >> >>> http://linuxchix.org.nz/node/97 >>> >>> All >>> >>> Please review the link above. This is an issue which has been >>> discussed loudly on many forums of late (NZLUG no exception). >>> >>> The link above is a release by LinuxChix, Waikato LUG and Wellington >>> LUG. I would like to add Auckland LUG and NZLUG endorsement to it.... >>> >>> Before I do so however i'm listening for objections... please fire >>> them at me or discuss on here, but I should think that the release >>> speaks for itself. The release can have us added to it very quickly, >>> but I won't do so arbitrarily... >>> >>> Speak now! :-) If no objections are raised i'll likely indicate our >>> support within the next 24-48 hours. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Mark. >>> (Part of the Admin team for both for NZLUG and AuckLUG; apologies for >>> the crosspost) >>> > > Am I wrong, or did much of the objection to this bill arise after they > dropped some of the provisions in the final draft. > Maybe we should look at getting some of those reinstated? > That might be a good place to start > The problems started David when they removed Section 92A based on the advice of a Select Committee and then re-added it immediately before it was implemented. In other words the Select Committee was ignored and we're (almost/about to) pay the price. Thus why CFF and others speaking out is such a big deal... the Govt needs to listen to the hoards of people who can see the trouble brewing. I've submitted AuckLUG's support to the LinuxChix folks, along with NZLUG and Canterbury LUG. It's good we all agree. Mark. From bill at help.geek.nz Sat Mar 14 15:56:31 2009 From: bill at help.geek.nz (Bill Keesing) Date: Sat Mar 14 15:57:09 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BB1CDF.9040300@help.geek.nz> Mark Foster wrote: > http://linuxchix.org.nz/node/97 > > All > > Please review the link above. This is an issue which has been > discussed loudly on many forums of late (NZLUG no exception). > > The link above is a release by LinuxChix, Waikato LUG and Wellington > LUG. I would like to add Auckland LUG and NZLUG endorsement to it.... > > Before I do so however i'm listening for objections... please fire > them at me or discuss on here, but I should think that the release > speaks for itself. The release can have us added to it very quickly, > but I won't do so arbitrarily... > > Speak now! :-) If no objections are raised i'll likely indicate our > support within the next 24-48 hours. I have absolutely no objections to AKLug or NZLug endorsing this. From greg at primesoft.co.nz Sun Mar 15 06:18:29 2009 From: greg at primesoft.co.nz (Greg Stevenson) Date: Sun Mar 15 06:30:38 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A In-Reply-To: References: <49B97A5C.1090108@omiha.com> <49BB0AA6.3020509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003c01c9a4d1$469638e0$d3c2aaa0$@co.nz> -----Original Message----- From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] On Behalf Of Mark Foster Sent: Saturday, 14 March 2009 3:48 p.m. To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A >> The fix might be "you're guilty after being proven guilty"... ie. there >> needs to be a legal case, etc, the "normal" way things are supposed to >> go in a democracy? >> Hi Jan, thanks for your comments - the whole point of this legislation (from the proportedly rights-holders perspective) is that the 'legal' aspect of things is 'too hard' in the context of cost, time and dubious chances of proving things / recovering those costs. At least as I understand it. So this is the 'short cut' to remediation of the issue from their POV. Mediation process was introduced in other areas to reduce cost and speed up resolution. Family disputes, employment disputes etc Telecommunications dispute resolution system. We also have Ombudsmen for Insurance and Banking etc to further streamline disputes and keep them out of our expensive Court system. I think the Government is calling for suggestions on how to run something similar for Copyright disputes but no one is answering. (more below) >> Mark Foster wrote: >> >>> http://linuxchix.org.nz/node/97 >>> >>> All >>> >>> Please review the link above. This is an issue which has been >>> discussed loudly on many forums of late (NZLUG no exception). >>> >>> The link above is a release by LinuxChix, Waikato LUG and Wellington >>> LUG. I would like to add Auckland LUG and NZLUG endorsement to it.... >>> >>> Before I do so however i'm listening for objections... please fire >>> them at me or discuss on here, but I should think that the release >>> speaks for itself. The release can have us added to it very quickly, >>> but I won't do so arbitrarily... >>> >>> Speak now! :-) If no objections are raised i'll likely indicate our >>> support within the next 24-48 hours. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Mark. >>> (Part of the Admin team for both for NZLUG and AuckLUG; apologies for >>> the crosspost) >>> > > Am I wrong, or did much of the objection to this bill arise after they > dropped some of the provisions in the final draft. > Maybe we should look at getting some of those reinstated? > That might be a good place to start > The problems started David when they removed Section 92A based on the advice of a Select Committee and then re-added it immediately before it was implemented. In other words the Select Committee was ignored and we're (almost/about to) pay the price. Thus why CFF and others speaking out is such a big deal... the Govt needs to listen to the hoards of people who can see the trouble brewing. I've submitted AuckLUG's support to the LinuxChix folks, along with NZLUG and Canterbury LUG. It's good we all agree. Mark. _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From blakjak at blakjak.net Sun Mar 15 08:25:27 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Sun Mar 15 08:25:43 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG endorsements required: Section 92A In-Reply-To: <003c01c9a4d1$469638e0$d3c2aaa0$@co.nz> References: <49B97A5C.1090108@omiha.com> <49BB0AA6.3020509@gmail.com> <003c01c9a4d1$469638e0$d3c2aaa0$@co.nz> Message-ID: Hi Greg, You're using MS Office Outlook. It does not successfully quote inline unless you add the 'quotefix' patch. I had to try to remember what i'd written in order to identify what you had written, which is as below: On Sun, 15 Mar 2009, Greg Stevenson wrote: > > Mediation process was introduced in other areas to reduce cost and speed up > resolution. Family disputes, employment disputes etc > Telecommunications dispute resolution system. We also have Ombudsmen for > Insurance and Banking etc to further streamline disputes and keep them out > of our expensive Court system. > I think the Government is calling for suggestions on how to run something > similar for Copyright disputes but no one is answering. Funny, ive seen all sorts of variants on how copyright law may be better enforced amongst the discussions i've seen on many forums (the Open Source Society mailing list being foremost). However I think we all agree that putting through a bad law is not the alternative to putting through no law at all... One of the suggestions that's been made by some parties is that the Section 92 Amendments are being pushed through in aide of the ACTA agreement (details of which have been restricted from the public due to 'national security' by the US Government)... OIA requests here have been similarly vaguely answered. That's something worth considering too. Mark Harris has a blog and a strong interest in ACTA: http://tracs.co.nz/gripping-hand/category/acta/ Mark. From nevynh at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 15:37:05 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sun Mar 15 15:37:15 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:17 AM, simon wrote: > Dear Auckluggites, > > if somebody's got a minute or two could they please write down the steps > to install / upgrade an app through terminal? > > The system's Ubuntu Intrepid. (It's been set up with too many partitions > and I never seem to find anything, so best to go through Terminal.) > > The app's zipped up in a file on the desktop: > /home/simon/Desktop/Celtx.tar.bz2 > > I already have Celtx 1.0 installed with a generic launcher at: > /usr/local/celtx/celtx > Simon Taylor Hi Simon, How did you install Celtx 1.0? Did you use the "./configure && make && sudo make install" or did you find a repository with it? Regards, Nevyn. From swht at clear.net.nz Sun Mar 15 17:02:08 2009 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon) Date: Sun Mar 15 17:02:28 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <49BC8BD0.8010402@clear.net.nz> Hi Nevyn, I remember using "sudo make install" but not the exact steps preceding and following. Thanks, Simon Nevyn wrote: > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:17 AM, simon wrote: > >> Dear Auckluggites, >> >> if somebody's got a minute or two could they please write down the steps >> to install / upgrade an app through terminal? >> >> The system's Ubuntu Intrepid. (It's been set up with too many partitions >> and I never seem to find anything, so best to go through Terminal.) >> >> The app's zipped up in a file on the desktop: >> /home/simon/Desktop/Celtx.tar.bz2 >> >> I already have Celtx 1.0 installed with a generic launcher at: >> /usr/local/celtx/celtx >> > > > > >> Simon Taylor >> > > Hi Simon, > > How did you install Celtx 1.0? Did you use the "./configure && make && > sudo make install" or did you find a repository with it? > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > From alanrburns at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 13:39:31 2009 From: alanrburns at gmail.com (Alan R Burns) Date: Mon Mar 16 13:39:42 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: <49BC8BD0.8010402@clear.net.nz> References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BC8BD0.8010402@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Intrepid#Installing_a_package_from_source On 3/15/09, simon wrote: > Hi Nevyn, > > I remember using "sudo make install" but not the exact steps preceding > and following. > > Thanks, > Simon > > Nevyn wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:17 AM, simon wrote: >> >>> Dear Auckluggites, >>> >>> if somebody's got a minute or two could they please write down the steps >>> to install / upgrade an app through terminal? >>> >>> The system's Ubuntu Intrepid. (It's been set up with too many partitions >>> and I never seem to find anything, so best to go through Terminal.) >>> >>> The app's zipped up in a file on the desktop: >>> /home/simon/Desktop/Celtx.tar.bz2 >>> >>> I already have Celtx 1.0 installed with a generic launcher at: >>> /usr/local/celtx/celtx >>> >> >> >> >> >>> Simon Taylor >>> >> >> Hi Simon, >> >> How did you install Celtx 1.0? Did you use the "./configure && make && >> sudo make install" or did you find a repository with it? >> >> Regards, >> Nevyn. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Regards Alan Burns ---------- http://www.dia.govt.nz/DIAwebsite.nsf/wpg_URL/Services-Anti-Spam-Index From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 13:49:27 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Mar 16 13:49:38 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BC8BD0.8010402@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Alan R Burns wrote: > http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Intrepid#Installing_a_package_from_source I also just found this: http://askville.amazon.com/install-Celtx-Ubuntu-10/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=5947991 It seems you may not have to do any compiling - the file that you download supposedly contains a binary. So if you use: tar -xvzf Celtx-whateverIt'sCalled.tar.gz to extract it (at command line) and then type in: cd celtx-bin ./celtx apparently it's supposed to just work... Don't quote me on this though as I haven't tried it for myself (and am unlikely to given time restraints - it's St Patty's week!) From don at inventory.co.nz Mon Mar 16 19:15:01 2009 From: don at inventory.co.nz (don@inventory.co.nz) Date: Mon Mar 16 19:15:14 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Installing true type fonts in linux Message-ID: <49BEB345.12767.34F54F@don.inventory.co.nz> I tried sending this message last week but it didn't seem to get through. I was trying to install fonts on my Eee PC which is running Xandros. I have done this successfully before and I am having to do it again because of re-installation of the operating system. I am using "Method 3" from http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/adding-windows-fonts-in- linux.html. After running "mkfontdir" I couldn't find "fonts.cache-1" in the "/usr/share/fonts/truetype" directory. I searched all directories using "find" and couldn't find any trace of it. The only thing I did differently from the above-mentioned "Method 3" was to change all of the "TTF" extensions to "ttf". My knowledge of linux is minimal. What should I do now? Don From swht at clear.net.nz Mon Mar 16 21:54:58 2009 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon) Date: Mon Mar 16 21:55:13 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BC8BD0.8010402@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> Hi Nevyn, Terminal returns this: simon@simon-desktop:~$ tar -xvzf Celtx.tar.bz2 tar: Celtx.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now tar: Child returned status 2 tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors I can extract Celtx. It comes up in a folder. Trying to move it using cd returns another no such file or directory message. Still perplexed. Best, Simon www.squarewhiteworld.com www.brazilcoffee.co.nz From jrt746 at clear.net.nz Mon Mar 16 22:13:39 2009 From: jrt746 at clear.net.nz (John Rye) Date: Mon Mar 16 22:13:47 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BC8BD0.8010402@clear.net.nz> <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <20090316231339.0023c1a4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:54:58 +1300 simon wrote: > Hi Nevyn, > Terminal returns this: > > simon@simon-desktop:~$ tar -xvzf Celtx.tar.bz2 > tar: Celtx.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory > tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now > tar: Child returned status 2 > tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors ls -l Celtex ?? I get -rw-rw-r-- 1 lists lists 18112064 2009-03-16 23:08 Celtx.tar.bz2 Opening the tarbal gives me another directory called celtex which in turn contains more than 20 files and subdirectories. Simon - you're doing something wrong :-) Try this from a terminal to get a fresh tarball: wget -c http://download.celtx.com/Celtx.tar.bz2 John From simon at simongreen.name Mon Mar 16 22:28:50 2009 From: simon at simongreen.name (Simon Green) Date: Mon Mar 16 22:29:08 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: <20090316231339.0023c1a4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BC8BD0.8010402@clear.net.nz> <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> <20090316231339.0023c1a4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <4d1940c20903160328p1b441ec7wc12bf55233d1a37d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/16 John Rye : >> Terminal returns this: >> >> simon@simon-desktop:~$ tar -xvzf Celtx.tar.bz2 >> tar: Celtx.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory >> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now >> tar: Child returned status 2 >> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors since it is a bzip2 file, the command you want is tar -xvjf Celtx.tar.bz2 (j instead of z) -- simon From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 06:47:48 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Mar 17 06:49:15 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Installing true type fonts in linux In-Reply-To: <49BEB345.12767.34F54F@don.inventory.co.nz> References: <49BEB345.12767.34F54F@don.inventory.co.nz> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:15 PM, wrote: > I tried sending this message last week but it didn't seem to get > through. > > I was trying to install fonts on my Eee PC which is running Xandros. I > have done this successfully before and I am having to do it again > because of re-installation of the operating system. I am using "Method > 3" from http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/adding-windows-fonts-in- > linux.html. > > After running "mkfontdir" I couldn't find "fonts.cache-1" in the > "/usr/share/fonts/truetype" directory. I searched all directories > using "find" and couldn't find any trace of it. > > The only thing I did differently from the above-mentioned "Method 3" was > to change all of the "TTF" extensions to "ttf". > > My knowledge of linux is minimal. > > What should I do now? > > Don Whoa! De je vu... I'm sure I've read this message before. Try running fc-cache and see if it add's 'em. The worst that can happen is it won't work. If you're able to get into KDE Control centre you could install fonts that way (though I'm not sure if it installs them for the user or for the system). From swht at clear.net.nz Tue Mar 17 18:04:00 2009 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon) Date: Tue Mar 17 18:04:13 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: <4d1940c20903160328p1b441ec7wc12bf55233d1a37d@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BC8BD0.8010402@clear.net.nz> <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> <20090316231339.0023c1a4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4d1940c20903160328p1b441ec7wc12bf55233d1a37d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BF3D50.3080607@clear.net.nz> wget -c http://download.celtx.com/Celtx.tar.bz2 worked a treat. Thanks John. However I've not had such good luck with cd celtx-bin ./celtx here's the output: simon@simon-desktop:~$ cd celtx-bin bash: cd: celtx-bin: No such file or directory simon@simon-desktop:~$ ./celtx bash: ./celtx: is a directory by tiny increments going forward, best, Simon www.brazilcoffee.co.nz www.squarewhiteworld.com From thetoolman at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 18:28:53 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Tue Mar 17 18:29:01 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: <49BF3D50.3080607@clear.net.nz> References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BC8BD0.8010402@clear.net.nz> <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> <20090316231339.0023c1a4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4d1940c20903160328p1b441ec7wc12bf55233d1a37d@mail.gmail.com> <49BF3D50.3080607@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: Hmm just joined this mail list; but your first command failed - looks like you tried to "cd" to a directory but gave the wrong name. suggest: cd celtx ./celtx and if the second file doesnt execute, just change the permissions: chmod u+x celtx then rerun ./celtx Hope this helps, Toolman 2009/3/17 simon > wget -c http://download.celtx.com/Celtx.tar.bz2 > > worked a treat. Thanks John. > > However I've not had such good luck with cd celtx-bin > ./celtx > > here's the output: > > simon@simon-desktop:~$ cd celtx-bin > bash: cd: celtx-bin: No such file or directory > simon@simon-desktop:~$ ./celtx > bash: ./celtx: is a directory > > by tiny increments going forward, > > best, > Simon > > www.brazilcoffee.co.nz > www.squarewhiteworld.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 0541287 From swht at clear.net.nz Tue Mar 17 19:10:35 2009 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon) Date: Tue Mar 17 19:10:44 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BC8BD0.8010402@clear.net.nz> <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> <20090316231339.0023c1a4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4d1940c20903160328p1b441ec7wc12bf55233d1a37d@mail.gmail.com> <49BF3D50.3080607@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <49BF4CEB.2030208@clear.net.nz> Tim, Thanks for suggestion, and it looks to have been successful. However, it launched on cd celtx ./celtx and when I try and launch it from the generic launcher I have for Celtx 1.0 I get Celtx 1.0 --- all fine, apart from not knowing where Celtx 2.0 is to launch it and not knowing how to hold onto my scripts in Celtx 1.0 (the app. is a script-writing app.) ... Thank you for the help ... just a baby-step or so more, please. Best, Simon www.squarewhiteworld.com www.brazilcoffee.co.nz From thetoolman at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 19:17:59 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Tue Mar 17 19:18:08 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: <49BF4CEB.2030208@clear.net.nz> References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BC8BD0.8010402@clear.net.nz> <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> <20090316231339.0023c1a4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4d1940c20903160328p1b441ec7wc12bf55233d1a37d@mail.gmail.com> <49BF3D50.3080607@clear.net.nz> <49BF4CEB.2030208@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: Hmm ok so what you have done is unpacked the new one into a folder, but its not "installed" its simply sitting there. I don't know the software; does it have an installer, or even better, does your package management (apt-get, yum etc.) have it included in its distribution? Toolman 2009/3/17 simon > Tim, > Thanks for suggestion, and it looks to have been successful. However, it > launched on > > cd celtx > ./celtx > > and when I try and launch it from the generic launcher I have for Celtx 1.0 > I get Celtx 1.0 --- all fine, apart from not knowing where Celtx 2.0 is to > launch it and not knowing how to hold onto my scripts in Celtx 1.0 (the app. > is a script-writing app.) ... > > Thank you for the help ... just a baby-step or so more, please. > > Best, > > Simon > > www.squarewhiteworld.com > www.brazilcoffee.co.nz > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 0541287 From swht at clear.net.nz Tue Mar 17 19:38:25 2009 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon) Date: Tue Mar 17 19:38:44 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BC8BD0.8010402@clear.net.nz> <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> <20090316231339.0023c1a4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4d1940c20903160328p1b441ec7wc12bf55233d1a37d@mail.gmail.com> <49BF3D50.3080607@clear.net.nz> <49BF4CEB.2030208@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <49BF5371.1060207@clear.net.nz> Tim, how do I find out? to be incredibly boring, here's what ls -l celtx gives me -rw-r--r-- 1 simon simon 2006 2009-02-28 03:01 application.ini -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon simon 3947 2009-02-28 03:01 celtx -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon simon 10366184 2009-02-28 03:01 celtx-bin drwxr-xr-x 3 simon simon 4096 2009-02-28 03:01 chrome drwxr-xr-x 2 simon simon 4096 2009-02-28 03:01 components drwxr-xr-x 5 simon simon 4096 2009-02-28 03:01 defaults drwxr-xr-x 2 simon simon 4096 2009-02-28 03:01 dictionaries drwxr-xr-x 5 simon simon 4096 2009-02-28 03:01 extensions drwxr-xr-x 2 simon simon 4096 2009-02-28 03:01 greprefs drwxr-xr-x 2 simon simon 4096 2009-02-28 03:01 icons drwxr-xr-x 2 simon simon 4096 2009-02-28 03:01 js -rw-r--r-- 1 simon simon 478 2009-02-28 03:01 libfreebl3.chk -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon simon 285888 2009-02-28 03:01 libfreebl3.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon simon 54928 2009-02-28 03:01 libjemalloc.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon simon 748156 2009-02-28 03:01 libmozjs.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon simon 211268 2009-02-28 03:01 libnspr4.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon simon 969840 2009-02-28 03:01 libnss3.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon simon 304824 2009-02-28 03:01 libnssckbi.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon simon 125608 2009-02-28 03:01 libnssdbm3.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon simon 80564 2009-02-28 03:01 libnssutil3.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon simon 14444 2009-02-28 03:01 libplc4.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon simon 9816 2009-02-28 03:01 libplds4.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon simon 127192 2009-02-28 03:01 libsmime3.so -rw-r--r-- 1 simon simon 478 2009-02-28 03:01 libsoftokn3.chk -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon simon 183544 2009-02-28 03:01 libsoftokn3.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon simon 452952 2009-02-28 03:01 libsqlite3.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon simon 167892 2009-02-28 03:01 libssl3.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon simon 546316 2009-02-28 03:01 libxpcom_core.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon simon 13880 2009-02-28 03:01 libxpcom.so drwxr-xr-x 2 simon simon 4096 2009-02-28 03:01 modules -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon simon 14100 2009-02-28 03:01 mozilla-xremote-client -rw-r--r-- 1 simon simon 45 2009-02-28 03:01 platform.ini drwxr-xr-x 2 simon simon 4096 2009-02-28 03:01 plugins -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon simon 15689 2009-02-28 03:01 removed-files drwxr-xr-x 6 simon simon 4096 2009-02-28 03:01 res -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon simon 11410 2009-02-28 03:01 run-mozilla.sh drwxr-xr-x 3 simon simon 4096 2009-03-17 19:51 updates sorry, Simon www.brazilcoffee.co.nz www.squarewhiteworld.com From jrt746 at clear.net.nz Tue Mar 17 20:04:51 2009 From: jrt746 at clear.net.nz (John Rye) Date: Tue Mar 17 20:05:24 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: <49BF5371.1060207@clear.net.nz> References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BC8BD0.8010402@clear.net.nz> <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> <20090316231339.0023c1a4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4d1940c20903160328p1b441ec7wc12bf55233d1a37d@mail.gmail.com> <49BF3D50.3080607@clear.net.nz> <49BF4CEB.2030208@clear.net.nz> <49BF5371.1060207@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <20090317210451.b64ea4c9.jrt746@clear.net.nz> On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:38:25 +1300 simon wrote: Simon, Have you been to the Celtx Wiki? http://wiki.celtx.com/index.php?title=Installation There's an extensive description of the steps you need to take there John From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Mar 17 20:20:50 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Mar 17 20:21:01 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BC8BD0.8010402@clear.net.nz> <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> <20090316231339.0023c1a4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4d1940c20903160328p1b441ec7wc12bf55233d1a37d@mail.gmail.com> <49BF3D50.3080607@clear.net.nz> <49BF4CEB.2030208@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: Okay... going back a few steps... Celtx 1.0 was apparrently installed by using 'make install'. This means it wasn't package-installed using a package manager. Nor was version 2.0 which was grabbed as a bz2. Simon some fundamentals of navigating the commandline appear to be missing... most of the instructions posted you have taken literally / pasted word for word. I recommend you spend some time learning how to navigate and use the commandline... it's invaluable for tinkering such as this - especially when the program you want doesn't create it's own crank-up shortcuts. To run the program from the commandline you have to navigate into the directory that the program has been installed into; wherever the bz2 was extracted to (/home/yourusername/celtx) ? The output of the 'ls' command you quoted in your last email shows that 'execute' is set on almost the entire contents of the directory (don't know why?) When you run 'celtx' from the celtx directory (./celtx) it appears to run the program OK... this is good... basically you just need to create a shortcut to the celtx binary somewhere. This is more accurately called a Symobolic Link, I believe... Alternatively you could just 'browse' using your gui file manager of choice into the directory that contains celtx and double-click on the binary.... +1 for reading the wiki, too. I've found theyre quite handy (when people keep them current...) GLHF Mark. On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Tim Toolman wrote: > Hmm ok so what you have done is unpacked the new one into a folder, but its > not "installed" its simply sitting there. > > I don't know the software; does it have an installer, or even better, does > your package management (apt-get, yum etc.) have it included in its > distribution? > > Toolman > From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Mar 17 20:22:21 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Mar 17 20:22:29 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BC8BD0.8010402@clear.net.nz> <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> <20090316231339.0023c1a4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4d1940c20903160328p1b441ec7wc12bf55233d1a37d@mail.gmail.com> <49BF3D50.3080607@clear.net.nz> <49BF4CEB.2030208@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: I neglected to mention that since you havn't removed Celtx 1.0, chances are it'll keep working exactly as it used to, because you're not pointing directly at the version 2.0 binary when you ran it 'the old way'. This will probably remain the case until you remove version 1.0 or until you 'break it' through version upgrades on dependent libraries, etc... On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Mark Foster wrote: > > Okay... going back a few steps... > > Celtx 1.0 was apparrently installed by using 'make install'. This means it > wasn't package-installed using a package manager. > > Nor was version 2.0 which was grabbed as a bz2. > > Simon some fundamentals of navigating the commandline appear to be missing... > most of the instructions posted you have taken literally / pasted word for > word. I recommend you spend some time learning how to navigate and use the > commandline... it's invaluable for tinkering such as this - especially when > the program you want doesn't create it's own crank-up shortcuts. > > To run the program from the commandline you have to navigate into the > directory that the program has been installed into; wherever the bz2 was > extracted to (/home/yourusername/celtx) ? > > The output of the 'ls' command you quoted in your last email shows that > 'execute' is set on almost the entire contents of the directory (don't know > why?) > > When you run 'celtx' from the celtx directory (./celtx) it appears to run the > program OK... this is good... basically you just need to create a shortcut to > the celtx binary somewhere. This is more accurately called a Symobolic Link, > I believe... > > Alternatively you could just 'browse' using your gui file manager of choice > into the directory that contains celtx and double-click on the binary.... > > +1 for reading the wiki, too. I've found theyre quite handy (when people keep > them current...) > > GLHF > > Mark. > > On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Tim Toolman wrote: > >> Hmm ok so what you have done is unpacked the new one into a folder, but its >> not "installed" its simply sitting there. >> >> I don't know the software; does it have an installer, or even better, does >> your package management (apt-get, yum etc.) have it included in its >> distribution? >> >> Toolman >> > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From thetoolman at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 20:23:37 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Tue Mar 17 20:23:44 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: <20090317210451.b64ea4c9.jrt746@clear.net.nz> References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> <20090316231339.0023c1a4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4d1940c20903160328p1b441ec7wc12bf55233d1a37d@mail.gmail.com> <49BF3D50.3080607@clear.net.nz> <49BF4CEB.2030208@clear.net.nz> <49BF5371.1060207@clear.net.nz> <20090317210451.b64ea4c9.jrt746@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: Like john says, the wiki explains it. But in a nutshell you need to find the old install folder, and replace with the new version. you could use the command locate celtx to help you find the v1 folder, then rename the containing folder to .old or similar. eg mv /usr/bin/celtx /usr/bin/celtx.old and then move your new version in its place: mv ~/celtx /usr/bin/celtx then any pointers / menu should work - any problems and you can just move the old version back ;) Hope this helps. Toolman 2009/3/17 John Rye > On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:38:25 +1300 > simon wrote: > > Simon, > > Have you been to the Celtx Wiki? > > http://wiki.celtx.com/index.php?title=Installation > > There's an extensive description of the steps you need to take there > > John > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 0541287 From kiirani at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 21:57:36 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Tue Mar 17 21:57:46 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Installing true type fonts in linux In-Reply-To: <49BEB345.12767.34F54F@don.inventory.co.nz> References: <49BEB345.12767.34F54F@don.inventory.co.nz> Message-ID: <2494ad260903170257o1fc73cemb0eb23051c10ab84@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/16 : > I tried sending this message last week but it didn't seem to get > through. That's funny, I know I definitely got the message and I'm sure it even had some replies, but looking through my message history, there was just the one from me... I've sent a CC to your email address as well as replying to the mailing list (I hope you don't mind!). If you've got this reply and not Nevyn's, maybe you should look into whether your email service is blocking mail from lists? Anyway, my original reply was as follows: 2009/3/11 : > I was trying to install fonts on my Eee PC which is running Xandros. I > have done this successfully before and I am having to do it again > because of re-installation of the operating system. I am using "Method > 3" from http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/adding-windows-fonts-in- > linux.html. > > After running "mkfontdir" I couldn't find "fonts.cache-1" in the > "/usr/share/fonts/truetype" directory. I searched all directories using > "find" and couldn't find any trace of it. > > My knowledge of linux is minimal. > > What should I do now? Hi Don, I'm fairly sure I've encountered this problem before myself, but it was a while ago so I don't entirely remember how I fixed it. :P However, if your 'mkfontdir' command didn't create the fonts.cache-1 file, it can't hurt to try creating it yourself ('touch fonts.cache-1') then continuing with the instructions. Worst that can happen is it won't work, right? From thetoolman at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 22:58:49 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Tue Mar 17 22:58:58 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Installing true type fonts in linux In-Reply-To: <2494ad260903170257o1fc73cemb0eb23051c10ab84@mail.gmail.com> References: <49BEB345.12767.34F54F@don.inventory.co.nz> <2494ad260903170257o1fc73cemb0eb23051c10ab84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: make sure you touch the file in the right folder ie. touch /usr/share/fonts/fonts.cache-1 As an aside, my distro (ubuntu) appears to be /usr/local/share/fonts/fonts.cache-1 but I think either location is fine in this case. GL Toolman 2009/3/17 Kennedy Skelton > 2009/3/16 : > > I tried sending this message last week but it didn't seem to get > > through. > > That's funny, I know I definitely got the message and I'm sure it even > had some replies, but looking through my message history, there was > just the one from me... > > I've sent a CC to your email address as well as replying to the > mailing list (I hope you don't mind!). If you've got this reply and > not Nevyn's, maybe you should look into whether your email service is > blocking mail from lists? > > Anyway, my original reply was as follows: > > 2009/3/11 : > > I was trying to install fonts on my Eee PC which is running Xandros. I > > have done this successfully before and I am having to do it again > > because of re-installation of the operating system. I am using "Method > > 3" from http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/adding-windows-fonts-in- > > linux.html. > > > > After running "mkfontdir" I couldn't find "fonts.cache-1" in the > > "/usr/share/fonts/truetype" directory. I searched all directories using > > "find" and couldn't find any trace of it. > > > > My knowledge of linux is minimal. > > > > What should I do now? > > Hi Don, I'm fairly sure I've encountered this problem before myself, > but it was a while ago so I don't entirely remember how I fixed it. :P > > However, if your 'mkfontdir' command didn't create the fonts.cache-1 > file, it can't hurt to try creating it yourself ('touch > fonts.cache-1') then continuing with the instructions. > Worst that can happen is it won't work, right? > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 0541287 From zed at zed.net.nz Wed Mar 18 05:51:55 2009 From: zed at zed.net.nz (zed) Date: Wed Mar 18 05:52:05 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: <49BF3D50.3080607@clear.net.nz> References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BC8BD0.8010402@clear.net.nz> <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> <20090316231339.0023c1a4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4d1940c20903160328p1b441ec7wc12bf55233d1a37d@mail.gmail.com> <49BF3D50.3080607@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: simon wrote: > wget -c http://download.celtx.com/Celtx.tar.bz2 > > worked a treat. Thanks John. > > However I've not had such good luck with cd celtx-bin ./celtx > > here's the output: > > simon@simon-desktop:~$ cd celtx-bin bash: cd: celtx-bin: No such file or > directory simon@simon-desktop:~$ ./celtx bash: ./celtx: is a directory Not very techy minded but I did get it to run by extracting the files; checking in Properties that a tick was in the Run as a executable box; then clicking on the celtx icon and choosing Run in the dialogue box which appeared. Zed -- zed From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 08:00:49 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Mar 18 08:01:01 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> <20090316231339.0023c1a4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4d1940c20903160328p1b441ec7wc12bf55233d1a37d@mail.gmail.com> <49BF3D50.3080607@clear.net.nz> <49BF4CEB.2030208@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Mark Foster wrote: > shortcut to the celtx binary somewhere. ?This is more accurately called a > Symobolic Link, I believe... Not so much for GUI's which is what I think he's talking about. These are normally files that describe the location of the executable, what icon it should display etc. These are called "Launchers" From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Mar 18 08:37:02 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Mar 18 08:37:11 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Installing true type fonts in linux In-Reply-To: <2494ad260903170257o1fc73cemb0eb23051c10ab84@mail.gmail.com> References: <49BEB345.12767.34F54F@don.inventory.co.nz> <2494ad260903170257o1fc73cemb0eb23051c10ab84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3529.119.15.0.26.1237322222.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> On Tue, March 17, 2009 9:57 pm, Kennedy Skelton wrote: > 2009/3/16 : >> I tried sending this message last week but it didn't seem to get >> through. > > That's funny, I know I definitely got the message and I'm sure it even > had some replies, but looking through my message history, there was > just the one from me... > > I've sent a CC to your email address as well as replying to the > mailing list (I hope you don't mind!). If you've got this reply and > not Nevyn's, maybe you should look into whether your email service is > blocking mail from lists? > If in doubt a web archive of list traffic is retained at a url found in the footer of every message: > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > Mark. From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Mar 18 08:47:08 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Mar 18 08:47:15 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> <20090316231339.0023c1a4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4d1940c20903160328p1b441ec7wc12bf55233d1a37d@mail.gmail.com> <49BF3D50.3080607@clear.net.nz> <49BF4CEB.2030208@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <4560.119.15.0.26.1237322828.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> On Wed, March 18, 2009 8:00 am, Nevyn wrote: > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Mark Foster wrote: >> shortcut to the celtx binary somewhere. ?This is more accurately called >> a >> Symobolic Link, I believe... > > Not so much for GUI's which is what I think he's talking about. These > are normally files that describe the location of the executable, what > icon it should display etc. These are called "Launchers" > Ah. Curse my limited GUI experience. :P From thetoolman at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 10:08:19 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Wed Mar 18 10:08:34 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> <20090316231339.0023c1a4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4d1940c20903160328p1b441ec7wc12bf55233d1a37d@mail.gmail.com> <49BF3D50.3080607@clear.net.nz> <49BF4CEB.2030208@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: Symbolic links are a real handy part of the unix "everything is a file" philosophy., making a file that points to another file. Great for installs of software like this Celtx software. If I were admin, I'd install it something like this: cp ~/celtx-v1.0 /usr/bin cp ~/celtx-v2.0 /usr/bin ln -s /usr/bin/celtx-v2.0 /usr/bin/celtx If you "ls -l" in /usr/bin, amonst the listing youd see these 3 directories. lrwxrwxrwx celtx -> celtx-v2.0 drwxr-xr-x celtx-v1.0 drwxr-xr-x celtx-v2.0 Thats both versions each in a well labeled folder, and then just a symbolic link (directory - can be done with files also) that points to the current preferred version. All menus, scripts, bash environment variables etc. that want the preferred version can use the symbolic folder, eg for a menu item /usr/bin/celtx/celtx.exe or for having it on the bash prompt set PATH=$PATH:/usr/bin/celtx If you want to change the prefrerred version, just delete the symbolic link (doesn't delete the pointed-to file/dir) and make a new one. Any you can also make stuff locked to a version just by using the original versioned folder. Real handy, so read up theres plenty of info online. Toolman * celtx.exe - of course *nix doesn't expect or require an EXE suffix to be executable - I just added it to be more obvious for the ex-dos guys... /rant 2009/3/18 Nevyn : > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Mark Foster wrote: >> shortcut to the celtx binary somewhere. ?This is more accurately called a >> Symobolic Link, I believe... > > Not so much for GUI's which is what I think he's talking about. These > are normally files that describe the location of the executable, what > icon it should display etc. These are called "Launchers" > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 0541287 From martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz Wed Mar 18 13:01:22 2009 From: martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz (Martin D Kealey) Date: Wed Mar 18 13:01:32 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> <20090316231339.0023c1a4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4d1940c20903160328p1b441ec7wc12bf55233d1a37d@mail.gmail.com> <49BF3D50.3080607@clear.net.nz> <49BF4CEB.2030208@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Tim Toolman wrote: > cp ~/celtx-v1.0 /usr/bin > cp ~/celtx-v2.0 /usr/bin > ln -s /usr/bin/celtx-v2.0 /usr/bin/celtx I would suggest for the last line that you omit the leading path on the source file, thus making the symlink relative to the directory in which it resides: > ln -s celtx-v2.0 /usr/bin/celtx Because (a) it means you can move or copy the whole bundle to any directory, without having to change where the symlink points; (b) it's more obvious when you go "ls -l" that it points to a file in the same directory (you don't have to check it's the same path); and (c) it's (minutely) faster. Indeed, I generalize this to: cp -a foo /usr/local/foo/lib/foo-v0.2 ln -s ../lib/foo-v0.2 /usr/local/foo/bin so you get: ls -l /usr/local/foo/bin lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2009-03-18 10:30 foo -> ../lib/foo-v0.2 -Martin PS: cat ~/bin/ln #!/usr/bin/perl use Getopt::Long; GetOptions 'l' => \$do_symlink, 'f' => \$do_force, 't=s' => \$target_dir, 'v' => \$verbose, 'r' => \$do_relative, or exit 64; if ( ! $target_dir ) { $target = pop @ARGV; if ( -d $target ) { $target_dir = $target; } else { @ARGV == 1 or die "More than one source file and target isn't a directory\n"; $target_file = $target; } } for $source (@ARGV) { $target = $target_file || do { $source =~ m<[^/]*$>; $target_dir.'/'.$& }; sg for $source, $target; if ( -e $target ) { die "Target $target exists\n" unless $do_force; unlink $target or die "Couldn't remove previous target $target; $!\n"; } if ( $do_symlink ) { if ( $do_relative ) { $_ = absolute_path $_ for $source, $target; for ( $p = 0, $i = 0 ; $i >= 0 && substr($source,$p,$i) eq substr($target,0,$i) ; $i = index $target,'/' ) { ++$i; $target = substr $target, $i; $p += $i; } $up_path = substr $source, 0, $p; $up_path =~ s<[^/]*$><>; $up_path =~ s<[^/]+><..>g; $target = "$up_path$target"; } warn "Make symbolic link $target referring to $source\n" if $verbose; symlink $source, $target or warn "Can't make symbolic link $target referring to $source; $!\n"; } else { warn "Make additional name $target for underlying file currently named by $source\n" if $verbose; link $source, $target or warn "Can't make additional name $target for underlying file currently named by $source; $!\n"; } } Batteries not included. Some assembly required. Use at own risk. From swht at clear.net.nz Wed Mar 18 16:32:37 2009 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon) Date: Wed Mar 18 16:33:37 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> <20090316231339.0023c1a4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4d1940c20903160328p1b441ec7wc12bf55233d1a37d@mail.gmail.com> <49BF3D50.3080607@clear.net.nz> <49BF4CEB.2030208@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <49C07965.9030105@clear.net.nz> In order to resolve the issue, I've taken the outside route: gone through GUIs to the file system and on the way discovered the earlier /opt/ install (2.0) and the usr/local/ install (1.0) ... neither offer a 'rename' option so I've been unable to follow your guide, Tim, but thank you. I've simply deleted the old generic launcher for 1.0 and added another (GUI) for 2.0 (the chrome png files don't seem to want to load as launchers, an additional, if minor issue). My question is now: is it OK to leave 2.0 in /opt/? The Wiki says: Celtx must be installed and run once as the root user. Thank you, Mark, but this particular fundamental, regardful that it is not a matter of navigating through commandline, is missing: ought I to change the directory in which Celtx 2.0 is located? Ought I to nix Celtx 1.0? If it's advisable to do either, please tell me how I'd go about it. Simon www.brazilcoffee.co.nz www.squarewhiteworld.com From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Mar 18 18:57:31 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Mar 18 18:57:44 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: <49C07965.9030105@clear.net.nz> References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> <20090316231339.0023c1a4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4d1940c20903160328p1b441ec7wc12bf55233d1a37d@mail.gmail.com> <49BF3D50.3080607@clear.net.nz> <49BF4CEB.2030208@clear.net.nz> <49C07965.9030105@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, simon wrote: > In order to resolve the issue, I've taken the outside route: gone through > GUIs to the file system and on the way discovered the earlier /opt/ install > (2.0) and the usr/local/ install (1.0) ... neither offer a 'rename' option so > I've been unable to follow your guide, Tim, but thank you. Within Linux 'rename' may be known as 'move'... however i'm not sure if that's a helpful clue.... > I've simply deleted the old generic launcher for 1.0 and added another (GUI) > for 2.0 (the chrome png files don't seem to want to load as launchers, an > additional, if minor issue). Not sure I follow this; png files are images, not programs? > My question is now: is it OK to leave 2.0 in /opt/? > > The Wiki says: Celtx must be installed and run once as the root user. Thank > you, Mark, but this particular fundamental, regardful that it is not a matter > of navigating through commandline, is missing: ought I to change the > directory in which Celtx 2.0 is located? Ought I to nix Celtx 1.0? > > If it's advisable to do either, please tell me how I'd go about it. > Simon, Based on my view of comments on this thread, i take it to mean that the application requires no installation; it just runs from wherever you extract it to. Fundamental: Given it requires no special installation and runs from wherever you put it, you can choose to remove your current 1.x installation and put the 2.x files into the old 1.x folder, and all will be well. Heck, the 'launcher' will probably load 2.x instead of 1.x ;-) Suggest you delete the 1.x first, if you choose to do this, to ensure that none of the 1.x files are left behind .. eg don't just put 2.x straight on top. For clarity, then: Browse to 1.x folder delete all contents browse to 2.x folder select all and 'cut' browse back to 1.x folder 'paste' Hope this is of some help... Cheers From swht at clear.net.nz Wed Mar 18 19:18:43 2009 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon) Date: Wed Mar 18 19:19:04 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> <20090316231339.0023c1a4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4d1940c20903160328p1b441ec7wc12bf55233d1a37d@mail.gmail.com> <49BF3D50.3080607@clear.net.nz> <49BF4CEB.2030208@clear.net.nz> <49C07965.9030105@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <49C0A053.6040803@clear.net.nz> Hi Mark, point of clarification: the pngs in chrome can be picked up to use in the tool bar as launcher icons - I've done it before but forget forget forget.... Thanks. The clue was helpful. Simon www.brazilcoffee.co.nz www.squarewhiteworld.com From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Mar 18 19:29:47 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Mar 18 19:29:57 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: <49C0A053.6040803@clear.net.nz> References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> <20090316231339.0023c1a4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4d1940c20903160328p1b441ec7wc12bf55233d1a37d@mail.gmail.com> <49BF3D50.3080607@clear.net.nz> <49BF4CEB.2030208@clear.net.nz> <49C07965.9030105@clear.net.nz> <49C0A053.6040803@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, simon wrote: > Hi Mark, > > point of clarification: the pngs in chrome can be picked up to use in the > tool bar as launcher icons - I've done it before but forget forget forget.... Yes, makes sense. I've never done it myself, but that's no excuse. Now I understand what you were meaning :-) From swht at clear.net.nz Wed Mar 18 19:53:35 2009 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon) Date: Wed Mar 18 19:53:44 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] requesting simple steps to upgrade Celtx to 2.0 for Intrepid In-Reply-To: References: <49B9FA69.5090608@clear.net.nz> <49BE21F2.8040201@clear.net.nz> <20090316231339.0023c1a4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4d1940c20903160328p1b441ec7wc12bf55233d1a37d@mail.gmail.com> <49BF3D50.3080607@clear.net.nz> <49BF4CEB.2030208@clear.net.nz> <49C07965.9030105@clear.net.nz> <49C0A053.6040803@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <49C0A87F.1020303@clear.net.nz> I remember: a number of presets are available on left-clicking the launcher icon displayed (for add-custom-launcher); they are /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/gnome-panel-launcher.svg the window in which this appears has a browse function with which to steer to the appropriate file /chrome/default/icons this at first didn't yield results, showing the file as empty; however, returning to the add-custom-launcher interface, where previously there'd been the generic icon there was now a choose icon button. I'm sure there was an easier way to say that. I'm not sure it has been said. Celtx 2.0 is now at /usr/local/celtx ... and has a pleasing little clapper icon on the toolbar. Thanks Auckluggites, Simon www.brazilcoffee.co.nz www.squarewhiteworld.com From john at ber.net.nz Thu Mar 19 22:42:11 2009 From: john at ber.net.nz (John @ BER Ltd) Date: Thu Mar 19 22:42:09 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] mysql database/website page not linking? Message-ID: <006901c9a87f$5c2ebe50$0202fea9@dad> Hi I need some help regarding hosting a website for a friend. I agreed to host the website thinking that its a simple basic static webpage. I loaded it went fine and then got a call a few days later regarding some of the missing links/schedules etc...Found out that there was a database included which I have not setup. I've loaded the database dump with phpmyadmin and got all the tables loaded.- no errors and all tables look ok. I rebooted the server and still no go? It seems as if the database is not linked to the webpage files. By the way the webpage was previously hosted by a different company. They sent me the webpage files and a databasedump. Can anyone advise with regards to what basic procedures I need to check- please don't assume anything that may be obvious as I'm still learning mysql and php. With my server knowledge- any help is appreciated. Ph (09) 8185757 mob 0274 935686 From thetoolman at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 23:37:40 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Thu Mar 19 23:37:47 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] mysql database/website page not linking? In-Reply-To: <006901c9a87f$5c2ebe50$0202fea9@dad> References: <006901c9a87f$5c2ebe50$0202fea9@dad> Message-ID: Hmm so a PHP app is not "finding" the database. Have you restarted the webserver? Check the webserver logs - if it is trying and failing, logs are generally the best source of information on what is not happening. Your php may expect a specific user and pass in mysql that the dump doesnt include, or php may be missing the mysql link library (sorry im a java dev, so cant be more specific). GL Toolman 2009/3/19 John @ BER Ltd > Hi I need some help regarding hosting a website for a friend. I agreed to > host the website thinking that its a simple basic static webpage. I loaded > it went fine and then got a call a few days later regarding some of the > missing links/schedules etc...Found out that there was a database included > which I have not setup. I've loaded the database dump with phpmyadmin and > got all the tables loaded.- no errors and all tables look ok. I rebooted > the > server and still no go? It seems as if the database is not linked to the > webpage files. By the way the webpage was previously hosted by a different > company. They sent me the webpage files and a databasedump. > Can anyone advise with regards to what basic procedures I need to check- > please don't assume anything that may be obvious as I'm still learning > mysql > and php. > With my server knowledge- any help is appreciated. > > > Ph (09) 8185757 mob 0274 935686 > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 0541287 From arbscht at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 00:50:53 2009 From: arbscht at gmail.com (Abhishek Reddy) Date: Fri Mar 20 00:51:00 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] mysql database/website page not linking? In-Reply-To: References: <006901c9a87f$5c2ebe50$0202fea9@dad> Message-ID: <6da08ade0903190550h611ddd16p622ff64eaf1314ba@mail.gmail.com> John, It's hard to guess without enough information. It might be easier to help resolve the issue if you could provide details about the nature of the PHP program (is it a custom script, or some known application?), your server's setup (versions, network layout), or even relevant parts of the source code (it is free, right? ;-). Nevertheless, a few common possibilities to eliminate: - Is this a simple embedded PHP script, or does it use an existing framework/library? If it's the latter, then you'll need to configure things according to its documentation. If it's the former (which I will assume) then you'll probably need to update some of its code. - Are you getting any particular error message via PHP? If not, try set up error reporting and mysql_error calls to help debug. Refer to http://php.net/mysql_error and http://php.net/error_reporting - Your new MySQL server is listening on a different host address. You will need to update your PHP code to reflect this. If there's no obvious configuration file or section of code, then look for where the connection is established (probably with a call to mysql_connect). - If the old server ran on a non-standard port, or your new server is listening on a non-standard port, update your PHP code to suit. - Did you load the tables into a database with an identical name? If not, update the PHP code, or rename the database. - Are your MySQL users set up the way the application expects? If not, update your users and permissions in phpMyAdmin, and the PHP code if also necessary. Given that phpMyAdmin seems to work, I'd expect your server's infrastructure isn't at fault; it's more likely your PHP code needs to be adapted to the new environment. Hope that helps. On 3/20/09, Tim Toolman wrote: > Hmm so a PHP app is not "finding" the database. Have you restarted the > webserver? Check the webserver logs - if it is trying and failing, logs are > generally the best source of information on what is not happening. > > Your php may expect a specific user and pass in mysql that the dump doesnt > include, or php may be missing the mysql link library (sorry im a java dev, > so cant be more specific). > > GL > > Toolman > > > > 2009/3/19 John @ BER Ltd > >> Hi I need some help regarding hosting a website for a friend. I agreed to >> host the website thinking that its a simple basic static webpage. I loaded >> it went fine and then got a call a few days later regarding some of the >> missing links/schedules etc...Found out that there was a database included >> which I have not setup. I've loaded the database dump with phpmyadmin and >> got all the tables loaded.- no errors and all tables look ok. I rebooted >> the >> server and still no go? It seems as if the database is not linked to the >> webpage files. By the way the webpage was previously hosted by a different >> company. They sent me the webpage files and a databasedump. >> Can anyone advise with regards to what basic procedures I need to check- >> please don't assume anything that may be obvious as I'm still learning >> mysql >> and php. >> With my server knowledge- any help is appreciated. >> >> >> Ph (09) 8185757 mob 0274 935686 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > > > -- > Tim Taylor > +64 21 0541287 > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Abhishek Reddy http://abhishek.geek.nz From kiirani at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 08:14:54 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Fri Mar 20 08:15:15 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Installing true type fonts in linux In-Reply-To: <49BEB345.12767.34F54F@don.inventory.co.nz> References: <49BEB345.12767.34F54F@don.inventory.co.nz> Message-ID: <2494ad260903191314n52d098cbr8ca1795241379bc3@mail.gmail.com> Hi guys, Don has successfully installed the fonts via openoffice, and has been following this thread from the archives. He's now trying to work out why his daily digests aren't arriving (they have not been redirected to spam, apparently). Any suggestions? From juanvr at live.com Fri Mar 20 09:23:09 2009 From: juanvr at live.com (Juan van rooyen) Date: Fri Mar 20 09:23:20 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] mysql database/website page not linking? In-Reply-To: <6da08ade0903190550h611ddd16p622ff64eaf1314ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <006901c9a87f$5c2ebe50$0202fea9@dad> <6da08ade0903190550h611ddd16p622ff64eaf1314ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi All, We'll also need to know if you actually imported the database into your mysql, and if the DB name is the same as whats being referenced by myphpadmin (should be, but still). Juan. > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:50:53 +1300 > From: arbscht@gmail.com > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] mysql database/website page not linking? > > John, > > It's hard to guess without enough information. It might be easier to > help resolve the issue if you could provide details about the nature > of the PHP program (is it a custom script, or some known > application?), your server's setup (versions, network layout), or even > relevant parts of the source code (it is free, right? ;-). > > Nevertheless, a few common possibilities to eliminate: > > - Is this a simple embedded PHP script, or does it use an existing > framework/library? If it's the latter, then you'll need to configure > things according to its documentation. If it's the former (which I > will assume) then you'll probably need to update some of its code. > > - Are you getting any particular error message via PHP? If not, try > set up error reporting and mysql_error calls to help debug. Refer to > http://php.net/mysql_error and http://php.net/error_reporting > > - Your new MySQL server is listening on a different host address. You > will need to update your PHP code to reflect this. If there's no > obvious configuration file or section of code, then look for where the > connection is established (probably with a call to mysql_connect). > > - If the old server ran on a non-standard port, or your new server is > listening on a non-standard port, update your PHP code to suit. > > - Did you load the tables into a database with an identical name? If > not, update the PHP code, or rename the database. > > - Are your MySQL users set up the way the application expects? If > not, update your users and permissions in phpMyAdmin, and the PHP code > if also necessary. > > Given that phpMyAdmin seems to work, I'd expect your server's > infrastructure isn't at fault; it's more likely your PHP code needs to > be adapted to the new environment. > > Hope that helps. > > On 3/20/09, Tim Toolman wrote: > > Hmm so a PHP app is not "finding" the database. Have you restarted the > > webserver? Check the webserver logs - if it is trying and failing, logs are > > generally the best source of information on what is not happening. > > > > Your php may expect a specific user and pass in mysql that the dump doesnt > > include, or php may be missing the mysql link library (sorry im a java dev, > > so cant be more specific). > > > > GL > > > > Toolman > > > > > > > > 2009/3/19 John @ BER Ltd > > > >> Hi I need some help regarding hosting a website for a friend. I agreed to > >> host the website thinking that its a simple basic static webpage. I loaded > >> it went fine and then got a call a few days later regarding some of the > >> missing links/schedules etc...Found out that there was a database included > >> which I have not setup. I've loaded the database dump with phpmyadmin and > >> got all the tables loaded.- no errors and all tables look ok. I rebooted > >> the > >> server and still no go? It seems as if the database is not linked to the > >> webpage files. By the way the webpage was previously hosted by a different > >> company. They sent me the webpage files and a databasedump. > >> Can anyone advise with regards to what basic procedures I need to check- > >> please don't assume anything that may be obvious as I'm still learning > >> mysql > >> and php. > >> With my server knowledge- any help is appreciated. > >> > >> > >> Ph (09) 8185757 mob 0274 935686 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AuckLUG mailing list > >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Tim Taylor > > +64 21 0541287 > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > -- > Abhishek Reddy > http://abhishek.geek.nz > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug _________________________________________________________________ Got a 2008 financial hangover? Let MSN NZ Money help you recover. http://money.msn.co.nz From blakjak at blakjak.net Fri Mar 20 13:56:56 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Fri Mar 20 13:57:03 2009 Subject: Mailing List Problems was Re: [AuckLUG] Installing true type fonts in linux In-Reply-To: <2494ad260903191314n52d098cbr8ca1795241379bc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49BEB345.12767.34F54F@don.inventory.co.nz> <2494ad260903191314n52d098cbr8ca1795241379bc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50235.119.15.0.26.1237514216.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> On Fri, March 20, 2009 8:14 am, Kennedy Skelton wrote: > Hi guys, Don has successfully installed the fonts via openoffice, and > has been following this thread from the archives. > He's now trying to work out why his daily digests aren't arriving > (they have not been redirected to spam, apparently). Any suggestions? > As unrelated to the original subject, perhaps appropriate to update it. :) Also appropriate to point out that problems with mailing list delivery are probably best sent to me offlist :-) Mark. PS: For anyone actively contributing, I recommend full as opposed to digest membership of the list. From blakjak at blakjak.net Fri Mar 20 14:25:03 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Fri Mar 20 14:25:12 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] mysql database/website page not linking? In-Reply-To: References: <006901c9a87f$5c2ebe50$0202fea9@dad> <6da08ade0903190550h611ddd16p622ff64eaf1314ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <53612.119.15.0.26.1237515903.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> On Fri, March 20, 2009 9:23 am, Juan van rooyen wrote: > > Hi All, > > We'll also need to know if you actually imported the database into your > mysql, and if the DB name is the same as whats being referenced by > myphpadmin (should be, but still). > Can I also add in here that caution should be used when hosting 'active' websites. By Active I mean those requiring server-side extensions (PHP among others). These often introduce security considerations - for example I host several Drupal based websites and resultantly have to actively track the security status of the Drupal Core as well as any third party modules that're used, in order to ensure that i'm aware of the risk to my box if a vulnerability is discovered. Flat HTML is pretty low risk, but agreeing to host a database driven website may increase the risk to your system. Bear it in mind. :) From john at ber.net.nz Fri Mar 20 16:50:53 2009 From: john at ber.net.nz (John @ BER Ltd) Date: Fri Mar 20 16:50:51 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] mysql database/website page not linking? In-Reply-To: References: <006901c9a87f$5c2ebe50$0202fea9@dad> <6da08ade0903190550h611ddd16p622ff64eaf1314ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001a01c9a917$73804d60$0202fea9@dad> Hi -Yes I've imported the database, the database name is the same as what's being referenced by myphpadmin. -it's a custom script. So the code may need editing- way over my head. How do you do it? -no errors in php that I can ascertain. -Juan I agree with your last comment- Given that phpMyAdmin seems to work, I'd expect your server's infrastructure isn't at fault; it's more likely your PHP code needs to be adapted to the new environment. That to me seems the most obvious fault - Also the config or common file needs editing - as some have said. - Maybe also specific user access to the database may be a cause- I'll look more into this. Under pressure with this one so on a phone call with a web developer to assist- I will follow-up with what he recommends or fixes. Thanks for the help everyone, will keep everyone updated. John john@ber.net.nz -----Original Message----- From: Juan van rooyen [mailto:juanvr@live.com] Sent: Friday, 20 March 2009 10:23 a.m. To: aucklug@linux.net.nz Subject: RE: [AuckLUG] mysql database/website page not linking? Hi All, We'll also need to know if you actually imported the database into your mysql, and if the DB name is the same as whats being referenced by myphpadmin (should be, but still). Juan. > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:50:53 +1300 > From: arbscht@gmail.com > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] mysql database/website page not linking? > > John, > > It's hard to guess without enough information. It might be easier to > help resolve the issue if you could provide details about the nature > of the PHP program (is it a custom script, or some known > application?), your server's setup (versions, network layout), or even > relevant parts of the source code (it is free, right? ;-). > > Nevertheless, a few common possibilities to eliminate: > > - Is this a simple embedded PHP script, or does it use an existing > framework/library? If it's the latter, then you'll need to configure > things according to its documentation. If it's the former (which I > will assume) then you'll probably need to update some of its code. > > - Are you getting any particular error message via PHP? If not, try > set up error reporting and mysql_error calls to help debug. Refer to > http://php.net/mysql_error and http://php.net/error_reporting > > - Your new MySQL server is listening on a different host address. You > will need to update your PHP code to reflect this. If there's no > obvious configuration file or section of code, then look for where the > connection is established (probably with a call to mysql_connect). > > - If the old server ran on a non-standard port, or your new server is > listening on a non-standard port, update your PHP code to suit. > > - Did you load the tables into a database with an identical name? If > not, update the PHP code, or rename the database. > > - Are your MySQL users set up the way the application expects? If > not, update your users and permissions in phpMyAdmin, and the PHP code > if also necessary. > > Given that phpMyAdmin seems to work, I'd expect your server's > infrastructure isn't at fault; it's more likely your PHP code needs to > be adapted to the new environment. > > Hope that helps. > > On 3/20/09, Tim Toolman wrote: > > Hmm so a PHP app is not "finding" the database. Have you restarted > > the webserver? Check the webserver logs - if it is trying and > > failing, logs are generally the best source of information on what is not happening. > > > > Your php may expect a specific user and pass in mysql that the dump > > doesnt include, or php may be missing the mysql link library (sorry > > im a java dev, so cant be more specific). > > > > GL > > > > Toolman > > > > > > > > 2009/3/19 John @ BER Ltd > > > >> Hi I need some help regarding hosting a website for a friend. I > >> agreed to host the website thinking that its a simple basic static > >> webpage. I loaded it went fine and then got a call a few days later > >> regarding some of the missing links/schedules etc...Found out that > >> there was a database included which I have not setup. I've loaded > >> the database dump with phpmyadmin and got all the tables loaded.- > >> no errors and all tables look ok. I rebooted the server and still > >> no go? It seems as if the database is not linked to the webpage > >> files. By the way the webpage was previously hosted by a different > >> company. They sent me the webpage files and a databasedump. > >> Can anyone advise with regards to what basic procedures I need to > >> check- please don't assume anything that may be obvious as I'm > >> still learning mysql and php. > >> With my server knowledge- any help is appreciated. > >> > >> > >> Ph (09) 8185757 mob 0274 935686 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AuckLUG mailing list > >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Tim Taylor > > +64 21 0541287 > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > -- > Abhishek Reddy > http://abhishek.geek.nz > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug _________________________________________________________________ Got a 2008 financial hangover? Let MSN NZ Money help you recover. http://money.msn.co.nz From balaji.vp at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 20:33:13 2009 From: balaji.vp at gmail.com (Balaji VP) Date: Fri Mar 20 20:33:21 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help setting up USB Wireless adaptor Message-ID: Hi there, I purchased a TP-Link Wireless N USB Adapter - TL-WN821N which doesnt come with Linux drivers unfortunately. I should have looked at support for linux drivers before buying it.. Anyways.. Now if some one can give me hand or point me direction where i can get this wireless working. I have tried google search & vendor website as well, wasn't helpful either. I am on ubuntu 8.10 balaji@balaji-desktop:~$ iwconfig lo no wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extensions. pan0 no wireless extensions. balaji@balaji-desktop:~$ lspci |grep Ethernet 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation MCP67 Ethernet (rev a2) Any help very much appreciated. Thanks in advance Regards Balaji From thetoolman at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 20:52:29 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Fri Mar 20 20:52:37 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help setting up USB Wireless adaptor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: lspci - list pci devices.. you might want lsusb - list USB devices ... GL Toolman 2009/3/20 Balaji VP > Hi there, > > I purchased a TP-Link Wireless N USB Adapter - TL-WN821N which doesnt come > with Linux drivers unfortunately. I should have looked at support for linux > drivers before buying it.. Anyways.. > > Now if some one can give me hand or point me direction where i can get this > wireless working. > I have tried google search & vendor website as well, wasn't helpful > either. > > I am on ubuntu 8.10 > > balaji@balaji-desktop:~$ iwconfig > lo no wireless extensions. > eth0 no wireless extensions. > pan0 no wireless extensions. > > balaji@balaji-desktop:~$ lspci |grep Ethernet > 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation MCP67 Ethernet (rev a2) > > Any help very much appreciated. > > Thanks in advance > > Regards > Balaji > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 0541287 From balaji.vp at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 21:05:04 2009 From: balaji.vp at gmail.com (Balaji VP) Date: Fri Mar 20 21:05:13 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help setting up USB Wireless adaptor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Tim balaji@balaji-desktop:~$ lsusb Bus 004 Device 003: ID 0cf3:9170 Atheros Communications, Inc. Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 004: ID 045e:00e1 Microsoft Corp. Wireless Laser Mouse 6000 Reciever Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub balaji@balaji-desktop:~$ On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Tim Toolman wrote: > lspci - list pci devices.. > > you might want > > lsusb - list USB devices ... > > GL Toolman > > 2009/3/20 Balaji VP > > > Hi there, > > > > I purchased a TP-Link Wireless N USB Adapter - TL-WN821N which doesnt > come > > with Linux drivers unfortunately. I should have looked at support for > linux > > drivers before buying it.. Anyways.. > > > > Now if some one can give me hand or point me direction where i can get > this > > wireless working. > > I have tried google search & vendor website as well, wasn't helpful > > either. > > > > I am on ubuntu 8.10 > > > > balaji@balaji-desktop:~$ iwconfig > > lo no wireless extensions. > > eth0 no wireless extensions. > > pan0 no wireless extensions. > > > > balaji@balaji-desktop:~$ lspci |grep Ethernet > > 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation MCP67 Ethernet (rev a2) > > > > Any help very much appreciated. > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Regards > > Balaji > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > > -- > Tim Taylor > +64 21 0541287 > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- V.P.Balaji.,B.Sc.,GradDipInfSci.,(B.L)., From thetoolman at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 21:15:23 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Fri Mar 20 21:15:29 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help setting up USB Wireless adaptor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You might be in luck; Atheros is supported, not sure if usb support is there though.. http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Intrepid#Atheros_Cards 2009/3/20 Balaji VP > Thanks Tim > > balaji@balaji-desktop:~$ lsusb > Bus 004 Device 003: ID 0cf3:9170 Atheros Communications, Inc. > Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub > Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub > Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub > Bus 001 Device 004: ID 045e:00e1 Microsoft Corp. Wireless Laser Mouse 6000 > Reciever > Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub > balaji@balaji-desktop:~$ > > > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Tim Toolman wrote: > > > lspci - list pci devices.. > > > > you might want > > > > lsusb - list USB devices ... > > > > GL Toolman > > > > 2009/3/20 Balaji VP > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > I purchased a TP-Link Wireless N USB Adapter - TL-WN821N which doesnt > > come > > > with Linux drivers unfortunately. I should have looked at support for > > linux > > > drivers before buying it.. Anyways.. > > > > > > Now if some one can give me hand or point me direction where i can get > > this > > > wireless working. > > > I have tried google search & vendor website as well, wasn't helpful > > > either. > > > > > > I am on ubuntu 8.10 > > > > > > balaji@balaji-desktop:~$ iwconfig > > > lo no wireless extensions. > > > eth0 no wireless extensions. > > > pan0 no wireless extensions. > > > > > > balaji@balaji-desktop:~$ lspci |grep Ethernet > > > 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation MCP67 Ethernet (rev a2) > > > > > > Any help very much appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > Regards > > > Balaji > > > _______________________________________________ > > > AuckLUG mailing list > > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tim Taylor > > +64 21 0541287 > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > > -- > V.P.Balaji.,B.Sc.,GradDipInfSci.,(B.L)., > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 0541287 From lilypatch at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 22:02:54 2009 From: lilypatch at gmail.com (David Bowen) Date: Sat Mar 21 22:03:09 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Section 92A Message-ID: <49C4BB4E.3060104@gmail.com> Hi This is worth a read http://osnews.com/story/21167/Google_Most_DMCA_Takedown_Notices_Illegitimate > In any case, this element of the law (section 92A) has been met with a > lot of resistance from Google, who heavily criticised the newly > proposed law. According to Google, 57% of the takedown notices it has > received under the DMCA in the United States were sent by business > targeting competitors. In addition, 37% were not valid copyright > claims at all. > > As such, Google concludes that /"Section 92A puts users' procedural > and fundamental rights at risk, by threatening to terminate users' > internet access based on mere allegations and reverse the burden of > proof onto a user to establish there was no infringement."/ Google > continues to state that /"Section 92A undermines the incredible social > and economic benefits of the open and universally accessible internet, > by providing for a remedy of account termination or disconnection that > is disproportionate to the harm of copyright infringement online."/ > I also see that we have support from Rodney Hide. A bit I saw from radio NZ I think. David From songs at billkath.com Mon Mar 23 21:41:25 2009 From: songs at billkath.com (Bill and Kath Worsfold) Date: Mon Mar 23 21:41:31 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help! I've done something dumb! Plugged keyboard into the wrong socket. In-Reply-To: <20090322000614.55A24930001@mlx2-in.webhost.co.nz> References: <20090322000614.55A24930001@mlx2-in.webhost.co.nz> Message-ID: <49C75945.9080809@billkath.com> Hi all. Is there a Darwin awards in the Linux world? Just wondered about what is the dumbest thing you've heard of someone doing? Now, I need help. I was testing some keyboards out prior to sending a bunch to be recycled. I somehow managed to plug a keyboard into the mouse input by mistake. Well, of course it wouldn't go. I finally realised my mistake. No big deal, one would think. But, after correctly re-plugging the mouse in, and after connecting everything up as it originally was, (and re-booting several times) the mouse would no longer work. In fact, no mouse will work any more in that computer and I can no longer use the computer. The mouse just appears frozen on boot-up, and I can't do anything. Any ideas, anyone? Maybe I need to go into the BIOS, but what then? I am stumped. Do I need to re-install Ubuntu? I hope not, as I've just got everything how I want it (almost). I'd appreciate emails directly to me as well as to the list, as I only get the digest, and may have to wait a day or so otherwise. My email is songs@billkath.com. Thanks in advance if you can help. Cheers, Kath. From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Mon Mar 23 21:47:51 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Mon Mar 23 21:47:59 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help! I've done something dumb! Plugged keyboard into the wrong socket. In-Reply-To: <49C75945.9080809@billkath.com> References: <20090322000614.55A24930001@mlx2-in.webhost.co.nz> <49C75945.9080809@billkath.com> Message-ID: <1237801671.6291.1.camel@studypad> On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 22:41 +1300, Bill and Kath Worsfold wrote: > Hi all. Is there a Darwin awards in the Linux world? Just wondered about > what is the dumbest thing you've heard of someone doing? Now, I need > help. I was testing some keyboards out prior to sending a bunch to be > recycled. I somehow managed to plug a keyboard into the mouse input by > mistake. Well, of course it wouldn't go. I finally realised my mistake. > No big deal, one would think. But, after correctly re-plugging the mouse > in, and after connecting everything up as it originally was, (and > re-booting several times) the mouse would no longer work. In fact, no > mouse will work any more in that computer and I can no longer use the > computer. The mouse just appears frozen on boot-up, and I can't do anything. > I'm guessing these are PS/2 ports? Had you switched the computer off each time you plugged something into the ports? I've heard that if you don't, there is a risk of frying the controller chip for the PS/2 ports. It's possible that this has happened.... It's also possible that I'm completely wrong and you should take the advice on the cover of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. From thetoolman at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 21:51:29 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Mon Mar 23 21:51:38 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help! I've done something dumb! Plugged keyboard into the wrong socket. In-Reply-To: <1237801671.6291.1.camel@studypad> References: <20090322000614.55A24930001@mlx2-in.webhost.co.nz> <49C75945.9080809@billkath.com> <1237801671.6291.1.camel@studypad> Message-ID: Its possible you have cooked your ps/2 ports, hope you have some USB ports and a USB keyboard! 2009/3/23 Josh Martens > On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 22:41 +1300, Bill and Kath Worsfold wrote: > > Hi all. Is there a Darwin awards in the Linux world? Just wondered about > > what is the dumbest thing you've heard of someone doing? Now, I need > > help. I was testing some keyboards out prior to sending a bunch to be > > recycled. I somehow managed to plug a keyboard into the mouse input by > > mistake. Well, of course it wouldn't go. I finally realised my mistake. > > No big deal, one would think. But, after correctly re-plugging the mouse > > in, and after connecting everything up as it originally was, (and > > re-booting several times) the mouse would no longer work. In fact, no > > mouse will work any more in that computer and I can no longer use the > > computer. The mouse just appears frozen on boot-up, and I can't do > anything. > > > > I'm guessing these are PS/2 ports? Had you switched the computer off > each time you plugged something into the ports? I've heard that if you > don't, there is a risk of frying the controller chip for the PS/2 ports. > It's possible that this has happened.... It's also possible that I'm > completely wrong and you should take the advice on the cover of the > Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 0541287 From songs at billkath.com Mon Mar 23 23:15:53 2009 From: songs at billkath.com (Bill and Kath Worsfold) Date: Mon Mar 23 23:16:00 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] My problem - a little more detail Message-ID: <49C76F69.8000505@billkath.com> Hi. About my mistake with plugging the keyboard into the mouse input. It was an ordinary socket, not a USB socket. The two sockets are side by side, and are exactly the same. Cheers, Kath. From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Mon Mar 23 23:25:38 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Mon Mar 23 23:25:51 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] My problem - a little more detail In-Reply-To: <49C76F69.8000505@billkath.com> References: <49C76F69.8000505@billkath.com> Message-ID: <1237807538.6291.3.camel@studypad> On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 00:15 +1300, Bill and Kath Worsfold wrote: > Hi. About my mistake with plugging the keyboard into the mouse input. It > was an ordinary socket, not a USB socket. The two sockets are side by > side, and are exactly the same. > > Cheers, > Kath. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug Yes, sounds like a PS/2 port, normally coloured green and purple. From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Mon Mar 23 23:38:19 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Mon Mar 23 23:38:25 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] S92a scrapped. Message-ID: <1237808299.6291.7.camel@studypad> Chris Keall at the NBR reports: "Prime Minister John Key has announced that the government will throw out the controversial Section 92A of the Copyright Amendment Act and start again. Section 92A has been scrapped."..... This is fantastic news, and it's great that Prime Minister John Key has taken a stand on this important issue. This draconian and naive law was originally championed by former-MP Labour's Judith Tizard. Hurray for that, I really didn't think that the government would listen much. I was unaware actually that this was started by Judith Tizard, whom I had sent an email to regarding software patents and got back an absolute rubbish reply. From zaf at nrc.co.nz Tue Mar 24 00:03:48 2009 From: zaf at nrc.co.nz (Nick 'Zaf' Clifford) Date: Tue Mar 24 00:04:06 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help! I've done something dumb! Plugged keyboard into the wrong socket. In-Reply-To: <49C75945.9080809@billkath.com> References: <20090322000614.55A24930001@mlx2-in.webhost.co.nz> <49C75945.9080809@billkath.com> Message-ID: <49C77AA4.5020407@nrc.co.nz> Yes, as others have noted, you've fried your PS/2 port. Often relegate to superstition, its always been the "rule" that you should power down your computer before unplugging or plugging anything into the PS/2 ports. Most people raise an eyebrow at this, and cast it aside as "luser" protection, or something dating back to the XT days. As you've found out, it is true. I have done it precisely once, and it turned out there is was a small fuse which had popped on my motherboard near the PS/2 controller. Your millage may vary however. End result - use USB for your mouse. If the computer has no USB (its probably time to replace it!), then you are in a bit more trouble. You are just lucky the port was the mouse and not keyboard. As for testing keyboard. The best thing todo is use a KVM, and plug them into that. KVMs provide isolation, and most (all?) fully support plugging and unplugging of keyboard/mice without risk. Oh, and for the record, no amount of uninstalling or reinstalling will fix it when its a hardware fault. Nick Bill and Kath Worsfold wrote: > Hi all. Is there a Darwin awards in the Linux world? Just wondered > about what is the dumbest thing you've heard of someone doing? Now, I > need help. I was testing some keyboards out prior to sending a bunch > to be recycled. I somehow managed to plug a keyboard into the mouse > input by mistake. Well, of course it wouldn't go. I finally realised > my mistake. No big deal, one would think. But, after correctly > re-plugging the mouse in, and after connecting everything up as it > originally was, (and re-booting several times) the mouse would no > longer work. In fact, no mouse will work any more in that computer and > I can no longer use the computer. The mouse just appears frozen on > boot-up, and I can't do anything. > > Any ideas, anyone? Maybe I need to go into the BIOS, but what then? I > am stumped. Do I need to re-install Ubuntu? I hope not, as I've just > got everything how I want it (almost). I'd appreciate emails directly > to me as well as to the list, as I only get the digest, and may have > to wait a day or so otherwise. My email is songs@billkath.com. > > Thanks in advance if you can help. > > Cheers, > Kath. > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug -- Nick "Zaf" Clifford http://zaf.geek.nz/ From greg at primesoft.co.nz Tue Mar 24 06:34:35 2009 From: greg at primesoft.co.nz (Greg Stevenson) Date: Tue Mar 24 06:47:32 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] My problem - a little more detail In-Reply-To: <49C76F69.8000505@billkath.com> References: <49C76F69.8000505@billkath.com> Message-ID: <00b601c9abe6$04524ca0$0cf6e5e0$@co.nz> Yep, you've blown your ordinary socket which is called a PS2 socket. Some very clever geeky types resort to board level repairs at this stage using the equivalent of $200 of labour to fix a $30 motherboard. Only to be advised if you get "Fun" out of such hobbyist activities. A USB mouse is your next cheapest alternative at about $15 Cheers Greg -----Original Message----- From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] On Behalf Of Bill and Kath Worsfold Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2009 12:16 a.m. To: aucklug@linux.net.nz Subject: [AuckLUG] My problem - a little more detail Hi. About my mistake with plugging the keyboard into the mouse input. It was an ordinary socket, not a USB socket. The two sockets are side by side, and are exactly the same. Cheers, Kath. _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From greg at primesoft.co.nz Tue Mar 24 06:40:02 2009 From: greg at primesoft.co.nz (Greg Stevenson) Date: Tue Mar 24 06:52:54 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] S92a scrapped. In-Reply-To: <1237808299.6291.7.camel@studypad> References: <1237808299.6291.7.camel@studypad> Message-ID: <00b901c9abe6$c7101ec0$55305c40$@co.nz> I suggest this will soon be revisited due to International pressure to do something with our outdated copyright act of 1993. Perhaps a *LUG submission to the select committee would be in order? -----Original Message----- From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] On Behalf Of Josh Martens Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2009 12:38 a.m. To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list Subject: [AuckLUG] S92a scrapped. Chris Keall at the NBR reports: "Prime Minister John Key has announced that the government will throw out the controversial Section 92A of the Copyright Amendment Act and start again. Section 92A has been scrapped."..... This is fantastic news, and it's great that Prime Minister John Key has taken a stand on this important issue. This draconian and naive law was originally championed by former-MP Labour's Judith Tizard. Hurray for that, I really didn't think that the government would listen much. I was unaware actually that this was started by Judith Tizard, whom I had sent an email to regarding software patents and got back an absolute rubbish reply. _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Mar 24 07:24:25 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Mar 24 07:24:33 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] My problem - a little more detail In-Reply-To: <00b601c9abe6$04524ca0$0cf6e5e0$@co.nz> References: <49C76F69.8000505@billkath.com> <00b601c9abe6$04524ca0$0cf6e5e0$@co.nz> Message-ID: <9123.119.15.0.26.1237836265.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Yeah, what he and others have said. View http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS/2_connector and particularly the bit about Hardware issues, I guess you have the 'older hardware' it refers to ;-) Mark. On Tue, March 24, 2009 6:34 am, Greg Stevenson wrote: > Yep, you've blown your ordinary socket which is called a PS2 socket. > Some very clever geeky types resort to board level repairs at this stage > using the equivalent of $200 of labour to fix a $30 motherboard. > Only to be advised if you get "Fun" out of such hobbyist activities. > A USB mouse is your next cheapest alternative at about $15 > Cheers > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] > On > Behalf Of Bill and Kath Worsfold > Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2009 12:16 a.m. > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > Subject: [AuckLUG] My problem - a little more detail > > Hi. About my mistake with plugging the keyboard into the mouse input. It > was an ordinary socket, not a USB socket. The two sockets are side by > side, and are exactly the same. > > Cheers, > Kath. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Mar 24 07:32:18 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Mar 24 07:32:26 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] S92a scrapped. In-Reply-To: <00b901c9abe6$c7101ec0$55305c40$@co.nz> References: <1237808299.6291.7.camel@studypad> <00b901c9abe6$c7101ec0$55305c40$@co.nz> Message-ID: <9946.119.15.0.26.1237836738.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> I have no doubt this will be revisited soon for exactly the reasons you note. I encourage those with serious interest in what goes on to join the Open Source Society Openchat mailing list. They're better equipped for the political side of the house and there's some rather clever people on the list. However people need to remain wary, whatever replacement legislation is put through needs to be vetted by _all_ stakeholders, not just the ones with fat wallets. On Tue, March 24, 2009 6:40 am, Greg Stevenson wrote: > I suggest this will soon be revisited due to International pressure to do > something with our outdated copyright act of 1993. > Perhaps a *LUG submission to the select committee would be in order? > > -----Original Message----- > From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] > On > Behalf Of Josh Martens > Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2009 12:38 a.m. > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Subject: [AuckLUG] S92a scrapped. > > Chris Keall at the NBR reports: "Prime Minister John Key has announced > that the government will throw out the controversial Section 92A of the > Copyright Amendment Act and start again. Section 92A has been > scrapped."..... This is fantastic news, and it's great that Prime > Minister John Key has taken a stand on this important issue. This > draconian and naive law was originally championed by former-MP Labour's > Judith Tizard. > > > Hurray for that, I really didn't think that the government would listen > much. > > I was unaware actually that this was started by Judith Tizard, whom I > had sent an email to regarding software patents and got back an absolute > rubbish reply. > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From candle.man.nz at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 07:52:15 2009 From: candle.man.nz at gmail.com (Kevin Adams) Date: Tue Mar 24 07:52:22 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help! I've done something dumb! Plugged keyboard into the wrong socket. In-Reply-To: <49C77AA4.5020407@nrc.co.nz> References: <20090322000614.55A24930001@mlx2-in.webhost.co.nz> <49C75945.9080809@billkath.com> <49C77AA4.5020407@nrc.co.nz> Message-ID: <5b6001920903231252se5cf6e8oa42c7e97f8e9c08a@mail.gmail.com> Interesting, I have never heard of the superstition and have never had it happen to me. I have used computers since the IBM XT twin floppy came out. I now use KVM's so that's probably why. Kevin 2009/3/24 Nick 'Zaf' Clifford > Yes, as others have noted, you've fried your PS/2 port. > > Often relegate to superstition, its always been the "rule" that you > should power down your computer before unplugging or plugging anything > into the PS/2 ports. Most people raise an eyebrow at this, and cast it > aside as "luser" protection, or something dating back to the XT days. As > you've found out, it is true. > > I have done it precisely once, and it turned out there is was a small > fuse which had popped on my motherboard near the PS/2 controller. Your > millage may vary however. > > End result - use USB for your mouse. If the computer has no USB (its > probably time to replace it!), then you are in a bit more trouble. > > You are just lucky the port was the mouse and not keyboard. > > As for testing keyboard. The best thing todo is use a KVM, and plug them > into that. KVMs provide isolation, and most (all?) fully support > plugging and unplugging of keyboard/mice without risk. > > Oh, and for the record, no amount of uninstalling or reinstalling will > fix it when its a hardware fault. > > Nick > > > Bill and Kath Worsfold wrote: > > Hi all. Is there a Darwin awards in the Linux world? Just wondered > > about what is the dumbest thing you've heard of someone doing? Now, I > > need help. I was testing some keyboards out prior to sending a bunch > > to be recycled. I somehow managed to plug a keyboard into the mouse > > input by mistake. Well, of course it wouldn't go. I finally realised > > my mistake. No big deal, one would think. But, after correctly > > re-plugging the mouse in, and after connecting everything up as it > > originally was, (and re-booting several times) the mouse would no > > longer work. In fact, no mouse will work any more in that computer and > > I can no longer use the computer. The mouse just appears frozen on > > boot-up, and I can't do anything. > > > > Any ideas, anyone? Maybe I need to go into the BIOS, but what then? I > > am stumped. Do I need to re-install Ubuntu? I hope not, as I've just > > got everything how I want it (almost). I'd appreciate emails directly > > to me as well as to the list, as I only get the digest, and may have > > to wait a day or so otherwise. My email is songs@billkath.com. > > > > Thanks in advance if you can help. > > > > Cheers, > > Kath. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > -- > Nick "Zaf" Clifford > http://zaf.geek.nz/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From songs at billkath.com Tue Mar 24 07:57:37 2009 From: songs at billkath.com (Bill and Kath Worsfold) Date: Tue Mar 24 07:57:48 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Help with keyboard problem - solved! In-Reply-To: <20090323185320.277781A6C009@mlx1-in.webhost.co.nz> References: <20090323185320.277781A6C009@mlx1-in.webhost.co.nz> Message-ID: <49C7E9B1.70401@billkath.com> Hi guys, Well, I almost chickened out on writing you guys back with the outcome, I am so embarrassed - but you deserve better. I didn't fry anything after all, though I deserved that. It turns out I STILL had the plugs around the wrong way, though I thought I had checked. My computer illiterate husband discovered that this morning, and put things right. But, I have learned a lesson from all this, and that is to turn the computer off before doing anything, and don't try to "hotplug". So, now it is all working again. You are quite right to assume that the MB does not have USB mouse capability. Yes - good idea to upgrade, but we just did that a couple of months ago for our main computer, and really, just for surfing the internet on a second computer, a P4 1.7 Ghz with 1.5 gig RAM seems quite sufficient. Our main computer has modern specs. But, actually, isn't that one of the main "selling points" of Linux? That it runs very well on old hardware? I've got an old P3 with about 384 MB of RAM, and it runs Ubuntu very well. Cheers, Kath Worsfold P.S. You guys needed a laugh today anyway, right? From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 08:07:44 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Mar 24 08:07:53 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Help with keyboard problem - solved! In-Reply-To: <49C7E9B1.70401@billkath.com> References: <20090323185320.277781A6C009@mlx1-in.webhost.co.nz> <49C7E9B1.70401@billkath.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Bill and Kath Worsfold wrote: > Hi guys, > > Well, I almost chickened out on writing you guys back with the outcome, I am > so embarrassed - but you deserve better. I didn't fry anything after all, > though I deserved that. > > It turns out I STILL had the plugs around the wrong way, though I thought I > had checked. My computer illiterate husband discovered that this morning, > and put things right. But, I have learned a lesson from all this, and that > is to turn the computer off before doing anything, and don't try to > "hotplug". > > So, now it is all working again. You are quite right to assume that the MB > does not have USB mouse capability. Yes - good idea to upgrade, but we just > did that a couple of months ago for our main computer, and really, just for > surfing the internet on a second computer, a P4 1.7 Ghz with 1.5 gig RAM > seems quite sufficient. Our main computer has modern specs. But, actually, > isn't that one of the main "selling points" of Linux? That it runs very well > on old hardware? I've got an old P3 with about 384 MB of RAM, and it runs > Ubuntu very well. > > Cheers, > Kath Worsfold > > P.S. You guys needed a laugh today anyway, right? That's interesting - Are you saying that a P4 1.7Ghz machine doesn't have usb ports?!? Chances are it's in there (i.e. plugs on your motherboard for external sockets to be pluggeed into). Not that good a laugh although come to think of it... Back in the good old days when Quake was all the rage and my friends and I used to cart our computers around to each others places (which is where I learnt basic networking and system admin on Windows machines from - so not a total waste of time), we decided we were feeling a tad peckish and went off to the bakery to grab some pies. When we came back, a guy who had stayed behind and didn't have a computer at the time was horribly apologetic. He had thought he had broken someones computer because the keyboard very strangely wasn't working though the mouse was. It turns out, the guy whose computer he had hijacked had unplugged the keyboard before leaving knowing that this person would hop on his machine. We were far too mean to him..... From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Mar 24 08:10:42 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Mar 24 08:10:50 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Help with keyboard problem - solved! In-Reply-To: <49C7E9B1.70401@billkath.com> References: <20090323185320.277781A6C009@mlx1-in.webhost.co.nz> <49C7E9B1.70401@billkath.com> Message-ID: <14364.119.15.0.26.1237839042.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> On Tue, March 24, 2009 7:57 am, Bill and Kath Worsfold wrote: > Hi guys, > > Well, I almost chickened out on writing you guys back with the outcome, > I am so embarrassed - but you deserve better. I didn't fry anything > after all, though I deserved that. Heh. Well done Kath. :-) > really, just for surfing the internet on a second computer, a P4 1.7 Ghz > with 1.5 gig RAM seems quite sufficient. Our main computer has modern > specs. But, actually, isn't that one of the main "selling points" of > Linux? That it runs very well on old hardware? I've got an old P3 with > about 384 MB of RAM, and it runs Ubuntu very well. A slight fallacy there. Modern Linux Distros are in the ballpark of modern 'Other' Operating Systems as well. I exclude Vista, which has just plain rediculous system requirements, IMHO. Linux _may_ work well on older boxes, but often the best distros for older boxes, are, well, older Distros. For comparison: Ever seen how fast Windows 98 works on current hardware? (Moral: Run an OS which is 'of the same era' as your hardware and it should work quite nicely. Modern OS's (of whatever source) on older hardware will of course run slowly, if at all.) Mark. From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 08:16:50 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Mar 24 08:17:02 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Help with keyboard problem - solved! In-Reply-To: <14364.119.15.0.26.1237839042.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> References: <20090323185320.277781A6C009@mlx1-in.webhost.co.nz> <49C7E9B1.70401@billkath.com> <14364.119.15.0.26.1237839042.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Mark Foster wrote: > On Tue, March 24, 2009 7:57 am, Bill and Kath Worsfold wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> Well, I almost chickened out on writing you guys back with the outcome, >> I am so embarrassed - but you deserve better. I didn't fry anything >> after all, though I deserved that. > > Heh. Well done Kath. :-) > >> really, just for surfing the internet on a second computer, a P4 1.7 Ghz >> with 1.5 gig RAM seems quite sufficient. Our main computer has modern >> specs. But, actually, isn't that one of the main "selling points" of >> Linux? That it runs very well on old hardware? I've got an old P3 with >> about 384 MB of RAM, and it runs Ubuntu very well. > > > A slight fallacy there. ?Modern Linux Distros are in the ballpark of > modern 'Other' Operating Systems as well. ?I exclude Vista, which has just > plain rediculous system requirements, IMHO. > > Linux _may_ work well on older boxes, but often the best distros for older > boxes, are, well, older Distros. > > For comparison: Ever seen how fast Windows 98 works on current hardware? > > (Moral: Run an OS which is 'of the same era' as your hardware and it > should work quite nicely. Modern OS's (of whatever source) on older > hardware will of course run slowly, if at all.) > > Mark. Part of this for me is making use of the options. The only reason I moved from my old 486 back in the day was because I was having problems with browsing the internet. The internet had changed enough that browsing was becoming a mission. However, if there was no real reason to upgrade and I could get by from just using different software (i.e. at the moment I'm finding on my windows machine, Google Chrome is a little more responsive than Firefox) then I don't really see too much reason to upgrade (so long as I still have another machine somewhere providing me with virtual machines for development). From thetoolman at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 08:24:31 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Tue Mar 24 08:24:42 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Help with keyboard problem - solved! In-Reply-To: <49C7E9B1.70401@billkath.com> References: <20090323185320.277781A6C009@mlx1-in.webhost.co.nz> <49C7E9B1.70401@billkath.com> Message-ID: Yay! at least you are still operating and no PS/2 ports were harmed. I have "hotplugged" lots of PS/2 keybaords and mice successfully, but it is well known as a risky thing. My theory is that older motherboards are more sensitive. Kids, dont try this @ home. Toolman 2009/3/24 Bill and Kath Worsfold > Hi guys, > > Well, I almost chickened out on writing you guys back with the outcome, I > am so embarrassed - but you deserve better. I didn't fry anything after all, > though I deserved that. > > It turns out I STILL had the plugs around the wrong way, though I thought I > had checked. My computer illiterate husband discovered that this morning, > and put things right. But, I have learned a lesson from all this, and that > is to turn the computer off before doing anything, and don't try to > "hotplug". > > So, now it is all working again. You are quite right to assume that the MB > does not have USB mouse capability. Yes - good idea to upgrade, but we just > did that a couple of months ago for our main computer, and really, just for > surfing the internet on a second computer, a P4 1.7 Ghz with 1.5 gig RAM > seems quite sufficient. Our main computer has modern specs. But, actually, > isn't that one of the main "selling points" of Linux? That it runs very well > on old hardware? I've got an old P3 with about 384 MB of RAM, and it runs > Ubuntu very well. > > Cheers, > Kath Worsfold > > P.S. You guys needed a laugh today anyway, right? > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 0541287 From Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz Tue Mar 24 08:16:31 2009 From: Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz (Chilling_Silence) Date: Tue Mar 24 08:24:44 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Help with keyboard problem - solved! In-Reply-To: <49C7E9B1.70401@billkath.com> References: <20090323185320.277781A6C009@mlx1-in.webhost.co.nz> <49C7E9B1.70401@billkath.com> Message-ID: <2987f0d40903231316t335903c7r3771f2774e9dbeb1@mail.gmail.com> Dont worry Kath, it happens to the best of us :) On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 7:57 AM, Bill and Kath Worsfold wrote: > Hi guys, > > Well, I almost chickened out on writing you guys back with the outcome, I > am so embarrassed - but you deserve better. I didn't fry anything after all, > though I deserved that. From songs at billkath.com Tue Mar 24 08:45:10 2009 From: songs at billkath.com (Bill and Kath Worsfold) Date: Tue Mar 24 08:45:20 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 46, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: <20090323201726.7F3291A6C002@mlx1-in.webhost.co.nz> References: <20090323201726.7F3291A6C002@mlx1-in.webhost.co.nz> Message-ID: <49C7F4D6.5080502@billkath.com> Hi Nevn, > That's interesting - Are you saying that a P4 1.7Ghz machine doesn't > have usb ports?!? Chances are it's in there (i.e. plugs on your > motherboard for external sockets to be pluggeed into). > > Well, yes of course the computer has USB ports - several. But, doesn't the Mobo have to support this feature as well? I didn't see anything in the BIOS that would allow a USB mouse to be used. The computer is quite old, and I have an idea that USB mice and keyboards came out after we got that computer. Do you think they would still be able to be used, anyway? It doesn't matter anyway, because we have plenty of older mice and keyboards. That's why I was testing my keyboards yesterday, before heading off to the "computer recycling centre" to dump off all our obsolete stuff. I find the main thing that goes wrong with the keyboards is that some of the keys, or the caps lock get unresponsive after a while, because I type a lot. Then they have to be dumped. Cheers, Kath. From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Mar 24 08:48:51 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Mar 24 08:48:59 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 46, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: <49C7F4D6.5080502@billkath.com> References: <20090323201726.7F3291A6C002@mlx1-in.webhost.co.nz> <49C7F4D6.5080502@billkath.com> Message-ID: <18997.119.15.0.26.1237841331.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> On Tue, March 24, 2009 8:45 am, Bill and Kath Worsfold wrote: > Hi Nevn, >> That's interesting - Are you saying that a P4 1.7Ghz machine doesn't >> have usb ports?!? Chances are it's in there (i.e. plugs on your >> motherboard for external sockets to be pluggeed into). >> >> > Well, yes of course the computer has USB ports - several. But, doesn't > the Mobo have to support this feature as well? I didn't see anything in > the BIOS that would allow a USB mouse to be used. The computer is quite > old, and I have an idea that USB mice and keyboards came out after we > got that computer. Do you think they would still be able to be used, > anyway? It doesn't matter anyway, because we have plenty of older mice > and keyboards. That's why I was testing my keyboards yesterday, before > heading off to the "computer recycling centre" to dump off all our > obsolete stuff. I find the main thing that goes wrong with the keyboards > is that some of the keys, or the caps lock get unresponsive after a > while, because I type a lot. Then they have to be dumped. > Firstup, computers back as far as the hundreds of Mhz have had USB ports as standard. If you have the ports, and the cable behind those ports terminates on your motherboard, you have support for USB. Second, Support for the Mouse is in the form of a driver, loaded by the OS. Your Motherboard has no need to interact with the Mouse (in most circumstances) The Keyboard does (for BIOS) and likely has a generic USB keyboard driver that is invisible to you anyway, and functions until the OS takes over or 'adds to it'. Short version ... on a machine in the Ghz range you should have no problem running 100% USB peripherals 'for the most part'. Heck I run USB keyboard and mouse on my P3 1Ghz boxes under Linux quite painlessly. Mark. From thetoolman at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 08:49:52 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Tue Mar 24 08:50:02 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 46, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: <49C7F4D6.5080502@billkath.com> References: <20090323201726.7F3291A6C002@mlx1-in.webhost.co.nz> <49C7F4D6.5080502@billkath.com> Message-ID: For the record, yes a USB mouse or keyboard will work fine on any compute with USB ports - U is for Universal! Its true that some bioses dont support USB, but a working system shouldnt need bios changes anyway... 2009/3/24 Bill and Kath Worsfold > Hi Nevn, > >> That's interesting - Are you saying that a P4 1.7Ghz machine doesn't >> have usb ports?!? Chances are it's in there (i.e. plugs on your >> motherboard for external sockets to be pluggeed into). >> >> >> > Well, yes of course the computer has USB ports - several. But, doesn't the > Mobo have to support this feature as well? I didn't see anything in the BIOS > that would allow a USB mouse to be used. The computer is quite old, and I > have an idea that USB mice and keyboards came out after we got that > computer. Do you think they would still be able to be used, anyway? It > doesn't matter anyway, because we have plenty of older mice and keyboards. > That's why I was testing my keyboards yesterday, before heading off to the > "computer recycling centre" to dump off all our obsolete stuff. I find the > main thing that goes wrong with the keyboards is that some of the keys, or > the caps lock get unresponsive after a while, because I type a lot. Then > they have to be dumped. > > Cheers, > Kath. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 0541287 From songs at billkath.com Tue Mar 24 09:24:37 2009 From: songs at billkath.com (Bill and Kath Worsfold) Date: Tue Mar 24 09:24:55 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 46, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: <20090323201726.7F3291A6C002@mlx1-in.webhost.co.nz> References: <20090323201726.7F3291A6C002@mlx1-in.webhost.co.nz> Message-ID: <49C7FE15.4050107@billkath.com> Hi Mark, > A slight fallacy there. Modern Linux Distros are in the ballpark of > modern 'Other' Operating Systems as well. I exclude Vista, which has just > plain rediculous system requirements, IMHO. > > Linux _may_ work well on older boxes, but often the best distros for older > boxes, are, well, older Distros. > > For comparison: Ever seen how fast Windows 98 works on current hardware? > > (Moral: Run an OS which is 'of the same era' as your hardware and it > should work quite nicely. Modern OS's (of whatever source) on older > hardware will of course run slowly, if at all.) > > Mark. > Yes, I have heard that advice before. And come to think of it, my old P3 will only run Ubuntu Edgy, I think it is. The problem with this is that you don't get any upgrades to your security, and it's not supported at all these days. Wouldn't it be better to run one of the light, but modern distros instead on the old hardware, like Puppy, Feather, DSL or Fluxbuntu? I'd like your opinion on this, and if you think it's advisable to connect to the internet after support has run out. Cheers, Kath From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Mar 24 09:44:59 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Mar 24 09:45:12 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] re: key/mouse switch Message-ID: <941084.36711.qm@web25404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I know it's *theoretically* possible to fry a controller when plugging & unplugging peripherals, especially on older systems, but I've never had this happen to me (on fairly new machines), and I'm pretty brutal on hardware. Most likely what has happened, is that you've bent a pin on the mouse plug (I'm assuming your keyboard is OK). Check it out & try it on a different machine. If you're desperate for a mouse & you seriously suspect the controller is popped, go out & pick up a USB mouse; think you can get them for as little as $5 on TM (will cost you more in shipping than the product itself) BTW. BIG shout out thanks to the Holloway's & others that have worked so tirelessly to have 92a repealed. We'll have to keep up the fight... but I think we can afford to savour this little victory for a short while From candle.man.nz at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 11:05:50 2009 From: candle.man.nz at gmail.com (Kevin Adams) Date: Tue Mar 24 11:05:58 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help Please Message-ID: <5b6001920903231605p2cc792b8s76d9aca854bb4292@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Can someone help with TV Installation on ubuntu 8.04. 1.) Have you been successful with a card and what was it, so I can try to get one from trademe. 2.) Can you provide me with personal help with installation by email directly. Also I have a small MSnetwork and also need help with setting that up in ubuntu. Email help please? Nevyn has assisted me by email over the past year but has got too busy. Thank you Nevyn, I have a fine system now a credit to you. Thanks in advance, Kevin Adams From thetoolman at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 11:28:35 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Tue Mar 24 11:28:43 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help Please In-Reply-To: <5b6001920903231605p2cc792b8s76d9aca854bb4292@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b6001920903231605p2cc792b8s76d9aca854bb4292@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: what do you mean by TV: * VHF, UHF? * digital UHF (HD Freeview) * satellite (SD Freeview) And do you want to record, pause etc, or just get a live tv? 2009/3/24 Kevin Adams > Hi all, > > Can someone help with TV Installation on ubuntu 8.04. > > 1.) Have you been successful with a card and what was it, so I can try to > get one from trademe. > > 2.) Can you provide me with personal help with installation by email > directly. > > Also I have a small MSnetwork and also need help with setting that up in > ubuntu. Email help please? > > Nevyn has assisted me by email over the past year but has got too busy. > Thank you Nevyn, I have a fine system now a credit to you. > > Thanks in advance, > Kevin Adams > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 0541287 From candle.man.nz at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 11:42:23 2009 From: candle.man.nz at gmail.com (Kevin Adams) Date: Tue Mar 24 11:42:30 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help Please In-Reply-To: References: <5b6001920903231605p2cc792b8s76d9aca854bb4292@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5b6001920903231642vca7e81ey9ef38769a83b0842@mail.gmail.com> Just live TV and record for now thanks, I have been forced to retire by ill health and want the time filler. 2009/3/24 Tim Toolman > what do you mean by TV: > > * VHF, UHF? > * digital UHF (HD Freeview) > * satellite (SD Freeview) > > And do you want to record, pause etc, or just get a live tv? > > > > 2009/3/24 Kevin Adams > > > Hi all, > > > > Can someone help with TV Installation on ubuntu 8.04. > > > > 1.) Have you been successful with a card and what was it, so I can try to > > get one from trademe. > > > > 2.) Can you provide me with personal help with installation by email > > directly. > > > > Also I have a small MSnetwork and also need help with setting that up in > > ubuntu. Email help please? > > > > Nevyn has assisted me by email over the past year but has got too busy. > > Thank you Nevyn, I have a fine system now a credit to you. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Kevin Adams > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > > -- > Tim Taylor > +64 21 0541287 > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From candle.man.nz at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 11:47:50 2009 From: candle.man.nz at gmail.com (Kevin Adams) Date: Tue Mar 24 11:48:02 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help Please In-Reply-To: <5b6001920903231642vca7e81ey9ef38769a83b0842@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b6001920903231605p2cc792b8s76d9aca854bb4292@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903231642vca7e81ey9ef38769a83b0842@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5b6001920903231647ma6e26f2l4f35dbba9dbb3f4e@mail.gmail.com> I have a DVB-S DigiStar, if someone knows how to make that one work. 2009/3/24 Kevin Adams > Just live TV and record for now thanks, I have been forced to retire by ill > health and want the time filler. > > 2009/3/24 Tim Toolman > > what do you mean by TV: >> >> * VHF, UHF? >> * digital UHF (HD Freeview) >> * satellite (SD Freeview) >> >> And do you want to record, pause etc, or just get a live tv? >> >> >> >> 2009/3/24 Kevin Adams >> >> > Hi all, >> > >> > Can someone help with TV Installation on ubuntu 8.04. >> > >> > 1.) Have you been successful with a card and what was it, so I can try >> to >> > get one from trademe. >> > >> > 2.) Can you provide me with personal help with installation by email >> > directly. >> > >> > Also I have a small MSnetwork and also need help with setting that up in >> > ubuntu. Email help please? >> > >> > Nevyn has assisted me by email over the past year but has got too busy. >> > Thank you Nevyn, I have a fine system now a credit to you. >> > >> > Thanks in advance, >> > Kevin Adams >> > _______________________________________________ >> > AuckLUG mailing list >> > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Tim Taylor >> +64 21 0541287 >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > From daniel at rimspace.net Tue Mar 24 11:59:51 2009 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Tue Mar 24 12:01:24 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help! I've done something dumb! Plugged keyboard into the wrong socket. In-Reply-To: <49C77AA4.5020407@nrc.co.nz> (Nick Clifford's message of "Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:03:48 +1300") References: <20090322000614.55A24930001@mlx2-in.webhost.co.nz> <49C75945.9080809@billkath.com> <49C77AA4.5020407@nrc.co.nz> Message-ID: <87k56flrig.fsf@rimspace.net> Nick 'Zaf' Clifford writes: > Yes, as others have noted, you've fried your PS/2 port. > > Often relegate to superstition, its always been the "rule" that you > should power down your computer before unplugging or plugging anything > into the PS/2 ports. Most people raise an eyebrow at this, and cast it > aside as "luser" protection, or something dating back to the XT days. As > you've found out, it is true. It depends almost entirely on the motherboard vendor: the PS/2 specification doesn't *require* hotplug protection, but the vendors are free to build it in. Most of them did, but ... > I have done it precisely once, and it turned out there is was a small > fuse which had popped on my motherboard near the PS/2 controller. Your > millage may vary however. ... some didn't, or didn't build in sufficient. Regards, Daniel From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 12:07:20 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Mar 24 12:07:28 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help Please In-Reply-To: <5b6001920903231647ma6e26f2l4f35dbba9dbb3f4e@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b6001920903231605p2cc792b8s76d9aca854bb4292@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903231642vca7e81ey9ef38769a83b0842@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903231647ma6e26f2l4f35dbba9dbb3f4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Kevin Adams wrote: > I have a DVB-S DigiStar, if someone knows how to make that one work. Probably the best thing to do at this stage would be to plug in the DVB-S Digistar device and run: lspci > output.txt and post the contents of output.txt to the mailing list. If it's a usb device, run: lsusb > output.txt instead... That'll give us some information to start with... From candle.man.nz at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 12:12:08 2009 From: candle.man.nz at gmail.com (Kevin Adams) Date: Tue Mar 24 12:12:16 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help Please In-Reply-To: References: <5b6001920903231605p2cc792b8s76d9aca854bb4292@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903231642vca7e81ey9ef38769a83b0842@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903231647ma6e26f2l4f35dbba9dbb3f4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5b6001920903231712u7de98d2ek31c42031dbaa3eac@mail.gmail.com> I would rather not start with that one, haven't even tried it in windows yet and had it for year or so unless someone has succeeded with one ....... 2009/3/24 Nevyn > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Kevin Adams > wrote: > > I have a DVB-S DigiStar, if someone knows how to make that one work. > > Probably the best thing to do at this stage would be to plug in the > DVB-S Digistar device and run: > lspci > output.txt > and post the contents of output.txt to the mailing list. If it's a usb > device, run: > lsusb > output.txt > instead... > > That'll give us some information to start with... > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From thetoolman at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 12:27:00 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Tue Mar 24 12:27:08 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help Please In-Reply-To: <5b6001920903231712u7de98d2ek31c42031dbaa3eac@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b6001920903231605p2cc792b8s76d9aca854bb4292@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903231642vca7e81ey9ef38769a83b0842@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903231647ma6e26f2l4f35dbba9dbb3f4e@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903231712u7de98d2ek31c42031dbaa3eac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If you have a satellite dish installed, then you should try that card first. I may well be linux supported, but until we see the chipset we can't tell. lspci -v Toolman 2009/3/24 Kevin Adams > I would rather not start with that one, haven't even tried it in windows > yet > and had it for year or so unless someone has succeeded with one ....... > > 2009/3/24 Nevyn > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Kevin Adams > > wrote: > > > I have a DVB-S DigiStar, if someone knows how to make that one work. > > > > Probably the best thing to do at this stage would be to plug in the > > DVB-S Digistar device and run: > > lspci > output.txt > > and post the contents of output.txt to the mailing list. If it's a usb > > device, run: > > lsusb > output.txt > > instead... > > > > That'll give us some information to start with... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 0541287 From candle.man.nz at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 12:40:06 2009 From: candle.man.nz at gmail.com (Kevin Adams) Date: Tue Mar 24 12:40:16 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help Please In-Reply-To: References: <5b6001920903231605p2cc792b8s76d9aca854bb4292@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903231642vca7e81ey9ef38769a83b0842@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903231647ma6e26f2l4f35dbba9dbb3f4e@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903231712u7de98d2ek31c42031dbaa3eac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5b6001920903231740p15aa725ek55ea6dd05d54e2cc@mail.gmail.com> My apartment building has a satellite dish, opened the packet, chip is Conexant Broadcast Decoder CX23880-37 42001180. I will not be fitting it today, today is my birthday, a day for celebrating not for card fitting - tomorrow. 2009/3/24 Tim Toolman > If you have a satellite dish installed, then you should try that card > first. I may well be linux supported, but until we see the chipset we > can't > tell. > > lspci -v > > Toolman > > 2009/3/24 Kevin Adams > > > I would rather not start with that one, haven't even tried it in windows > > yet > > and had it for year or so unless someone has succeeded with one ....... > > > > 2009/3/24 Nevyn > > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Kevin Adams > > > > wrote: > > > > I have a DVB-S DigiStar, if someone knows how to make that one work. > > > > > > Probably the best thing to do at this stage would be to plug in the > > > DVB-S Digistar device and run: > > > lspci > output.txt > > > and post the contents of output.txt to the mailing list. If it's a usb > > > device, run: > > > lsusb > output.txt > > > instead... > > > > > > That'll give us some information to start with... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > AuckLUG mailing list > > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > > -- > Tim Taylor > +64 21 0541287 > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Mar 24 12:54:57 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Mar 24 12:55:06 2009 Subject: Use of Lower Spec Hardware (was Re: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 46, Issue 22) In-Reply-To: <49C7FE15.4050107@billkath.com> References: <20090323201726.7F3291A6C002@mlx1-in.webhost.co.nz> <49C7FE15.4050107@billkath.com> Message-ID: <51264.119.15.0.26.1237856097.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> On Tue, March 24, 2009 9:24 am, Bill and Kath Worsfold wrote: > Hi Mark, >> A slight fallacy there. Modern Linux Distros are in the ballpark of >> modern 'Other' Operating Systems as well. I exclude Vista, which has >> just >> plain rediculous system requirements, IMHO. >> >> Linux _may_ work well on older boxes, but often the best distros for >> older >> boxes, are, well, older Distros. >> >> For comparison: Ever seen how fast Windows 98 works on current hardware? >> >> (Moral: Run an OS which is 'of the same era' as your hardware and it >> should work quite nicely. Modern OS's (of whatever source) on older >> hardware will of course run slowly, if at all.) >> >> Mark. >> > Yes, I have heard that advice before. And come to think of it, my old P3 > will only run Ubuntu Edgy, I think it is. The problem with this is that > you don't get any upgrades to your security, and it's not supported at > all these days. Wouldn't it be better to run one of the light, but > modern distros instead on the old hardware, like Puppy, Feather, DSL or > Fluxbuntu? I'd like your opinion on this, and if you think it's > advisable to connect to the internet after support has run out. > Same as any other OS - you can continue to apply security updates until the vendor stops producing them... you can then upgrade your 'distro' to whatever the next lowest spec one is... purpetually until it ceases to be useful. To use Windows as a comparison, obviously Windows 98 ceased being updated after a point, at which point people with older boxes could move to Windows 2000 or Windows XP and take the performance hit associated... ... or they retask the hardware to something that's within spec. (such as perhaps a headless Linux box (CLI only of a modern supported distro) or a lower-spec linux box (a 'current' version of something like DamnSmall that has a lower OS footprint). The stage at which you choose to go to a 'lightweight' distro which is maintainable in a modern sense is up to you. For many this could be early on in the piece, esp if you dont want the bells and whistles. For example my linux boxes for the most part rarely involve applications that aren't an Xterm, Firefox, Pidgin, The Gimp, Remote Desktop and Terminal Services Client. Any distro offering those (or equivalents) is a potential choice for me. Mark. From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 13:07:05 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Mar 24 13:07:17 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help Please In-Reply-To: <5b6001920903231740p15aa725ek55ea6dd05d54e2cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b6001920903231605p2cc792b8s76d9aca854bb4292@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903231642vca7e81ey9ef38769a83b0842@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903231647ma6e26f2l4f35dbba9dbb3f4e@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903231712u7de98d2ek31c42031dbaa3eac@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903231740p15aa725ek55ea6dd05d54e2cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Kevin Adams wrote: > My apartment building has a satellite dish, opened the packet, chip is > Conexant Broadcast Decoder CX23880-37 42001180. I will not be fitting it > today, today is my birthday, a day for celebrating not for card fitting - > tomorrow. Seems the mods get loaded auto magically. To check, in a terminal run: lsmod | grep cx88 If you get back a couple of lines, it's probably loaded. Try in kaffeine or anything else that supports tv. If you're getting nothing but static, it's time to start googling for the correct tuner type. The lspci command will give us the devices PCI ID which will in turn give us the tuner type - hopefully. Regards, Nevyn. From ronaldj at orcon.net.nz Tue Mar 24 17:44:13 2009 From: ronaldj at orcon.net.nz (Ron) Date: Tue Mar 24 17:46:13 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Safe downloads with plastic ? Message-ID: <49C8732D.9050105@orcon.net.nz> Hi Lug folk, This might be a bit O/T but for the first time , I'm looking to download a technical service manual ,paying with plastic. The manual is for a Sony car stereo XR-C610. Don't want to give away my details to a unsafe outfit. An suggestions ? P.S. 92a ;-) Regards and hope Ron From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Mar 24 17:52:34 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Mar 24 17:52:43 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Safe downloads with plastic ? In-Reply-To: <49C8732D.9050105@orcon.net.nz> References: <49C8732D.9050105@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <12446.119.15.0.26.1237873954.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> On Tue, March 24, 2009 5:44 pm, Ron wrote: > Hi Lug folk, > This might be a bit O/T but for the first time , I'm looking > to download a technical service manual ,paying with plastic. The manual > is for a Sony car stereo XR-C610. Don't want to give away my details to > a unsafe outfit. An suggestions ? > Ron, Utterly off-topic. You could at least try a Car forum. There's hoards of them. There's also an obvious list of 'usual suspects' who are professional car firms and/or car audio specialists and/or Sony themselves. A Linux Users Group strikes me as quite simply the wrong place to ask. Any responses from LUG'rs offlist please. Mark. From robin.paulson at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 16:42:09 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Wed Mar 25 16:42:19 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] claiming back windows license cost Message-ID: <2f3aa2770903242142r58786724v9b3e53af50d78625@mail.gmail.com> i saw an item on slashdot or digg a couple of years ago, about a dell customer who'd bought a system with xp installed. he didn't want xp on it, and was keen to get his money back, so he took a series of photos of himself refusing the license agreement, and then successfully claimed his money back from dell for the unused license, using the pictures as evidence. i'm going to buy a small laptop in the next week or so - is there any precedent of customers claiming windows license fees back in new zealand, be it from dell or any other supplier? From thetoolman at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 16:51:03 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Wed Mar 25 16:51:10 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] claiming back windows license cost In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770903242142r58786724v9b3e53af50d78625@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770903242142r58786724v9b3e53af50d78625@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Not sure about reclaiming the cost, but Asus EEEs and some Dell laptops can be bought with Linux pre-installed, hence avoiding the M$ cost. Good luck. Toolman 2009/3/25 Robin Paulson > i saw an item on slashdot or digg a couple of years ago, about a dell > customer who'd bought a system with xp installed. he didn't want xp on > it, and was keen to get his money back, so he took a series of photos > of himself refusing the license agreement, and then successfully > claimed his money back from dell for the unused license, using the > pictures as evidence. > > i'm going to buy a small laptop in the next week or so - is there any > precedent of customers claiming windows license fees back in new > zealand, be it from dell or any other supplier? > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 0541287 From robin.paulson at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 17:11:42 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Wed Mar 25 17:11:50 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] claiming back windows license cost In-Reply-To: References: <2f3aa2770903242142r58786724v9b3e53af50d78625@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770903242211o97cce83y52259cfcda56f16e@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/25 Tim Toolman : > Not sure about reclaiming the cost, but Asus EEEs and some Dell laptops can > be bought with Linux pre-installed, hence avoiding the M$ cost. in general, they can. according to pricespy.co.nz, the one i'm looking at is only available in nz with windows though - the eee 900a From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Mar 25 18:17:43 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Mar 25 18:17:50 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Party time! Jackalope-style! Message-ID: <792332.54123.qm@web25405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi guys, This is in EVERY way VERY unofficial, but I was wondering if anyone's keen to get together for beers or something to mark the launch of Jaunty Jackalope . https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseParties Such a funky name, it would be a damn shame if we didn't at least try something. Will chat to Deshan @ RVB (RVB.co.nz, K'rd) to see if he'd be willing to accommodate us. Some of you have been there before: where we had or meet last year to organise the SFD (which we'll have to try & get around to again at some point, but that's for another day) He's got a liquor licence & games to distract the better halves, so it may be a nice social gathering Cheers - J From andreas at linux.co.nz Wed Mar 25 19:03:09 2009 From: andreas at linux.co.nz (Andy Hamberger) Date: Wed Mar 25 19:03:18 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Party time! Jackalope-style! In-Reply-To: <792332.54123.qm@web25405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <792332.54123.qm@web25405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jaco Sounds like fun, Non Ubuntu users welcome I gather? Andy From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Mar 25 19:41:18 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Mar 25 19:41:28 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] claiming back windows license cost In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770903242211o97cce83y52259cfcda56f16e@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770903242142r58786724v9b3e53af50d78625@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903242211o97cce83y52259cfcda56f16e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/3/25 Tim Toolman : >> Not sure about reclaiming the cost, but Asus EEEs and some Dell laptops can >> be bought with Linux pre-installed, hence avoiding the M$ cost. > > in general, they can. according to pricespy.co.nz, the one i'm looking > at is only available in nz with windows though - the eee 900a > Google search for terms like 'windows refund' and 'reject eula' and other similar terms will turn up hits. Theyve become somewhat notorious because the subject comes up time and time again on community groups like this.... This is part of why some of the smarter vendors are offering deals for boxes that don't ship with OEM Linux. There are a few dealers out there. http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=laptop+without+windows+site%3Alinux.net.nz It's been discussed on NZLUG a few times also. The discussion may prove illuminating. I for one tend to find windows useful enough that in the context of spending money on a laptop, its better to have the license than not. But that's largely a factor of the large amount of work I have to do in windows environments and the fact that if you want to even run it in a VM, you need a license for it. However I'll instantly support any vendor who give you the choice, over one who doesn't. Mark. From zaf at nrc.co.nz Wed Mar 25 21:28:46 2009 From: zaf at nrc.co.nz (Nick 'Zaf' Clifford) Date: Wed Mar 25 21:29:01 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Party time! Jackalope-style! In-Reply-To: <792332.54123.qm@web25405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <792332.54123.qm@web25405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49C9F94E.7010106@nrc.co.nz> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'd be in to that. Please post again with details when you have them :) Nick Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Hi guys, > > This is in EVERY way VERY unofficial, but I was wondering if > anyone's keen to get together for beers or something to mark the > launch of Jaunty Jackalope . > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseParties > > Such a funky name, it would be a damn shame if we didn't at least > try something. > > Will chat to Deshan @ RVB (RVB.co.nz, K'rd) to see if he'd be > willing to accommodate us. Some of you have been there before: > where we had or meet last year to organise the SFD (which we'll > have to try & get around to again at some point, but that's for > another day) He's got a liquor licence & games to distract the > better halves, so it may be a nice social gathering > > Cheers > > - J > > > > > _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing > list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug - -- Nick "Zaf" Clifford http://zaf.geek.nz/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknJ+UEACgkQJ5ntf7E1YIgtTQCePKDECU7R1cJ67pqFs77FVp1t IwEAoKU9QQwB9lip2vhEp6sFj1ok3FHV =o2PX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From juanvr at live.com Thu Mar 26 08:20:21 2009 From: juanvr at live.com (Juan van Rooyen) Date: Thu Mar 26 08:20:27 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Party time! Jackalope-style! In-Reply-To: <792332.54123.qm@web25405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <792332.54123.qm@web25405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Jaco, Sounds like good times. Let us know once you have any further details. Cheers, Juan > Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:17:43 +0000 > From: freakalad@yahoo.co.uk > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > Subject: [AuckLUG] Party time! Jackalope-style! > > Hi guys, > > This is in EVERY way VERY unofficial, but I was wondering if anyone's keen to get together for beers or something to mark the launch of Jaunty Jackalope . > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseParties > > Such a funky name, it would be a damn shame if we didn't at least try something. > > Will chat to Deshan @ RVB (RVB.co.nz, K'rd) to see if he'd be willing to accommodate us. > Some of you have been there before: where we had or meet last year to organise the SFD (which we'll have to try & get around to again at some point, but that's for another day) > He's got a liquor licence & games to distract the better halves, so it may be a nice social gathering > > Cheers > > - J > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug _________________________________________________________________ Looking for a place to manage all your online stuff? Explore the new Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/Explore From nardusg at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 08:22:29 2009 From: nardusg at gmail.com (Nardus Geldenhuys) Date: Thu Mar 26 08:22:53 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Party time! Jackalope-style! In-Reply-To: References: <792332.54123.qm@web25405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <778465350903251322v1ea3b65by7aa2b37f65ba3d8f@mail.gmail.com> Sounds like a good plan... Maybe we can pass some free kubuntu cd's around ;) 2009/3/26 Juan van Rooyen > > Hey Jaco, > > Sounds like good times. Let us know once you have any further details. > > Cheers, > Juan > > > > > Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:17:43 +0000 > > From: freakalad@yahoo.co.uk > > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > > Subject: [AuckLUG] Party time! Jackalope-style! > > > > Hi guys, > > > > This is in EVERY way VERY unofficial, but I was wondering if anyone's > keen to get together for beers or something to mark the launch of Jaunty > Jackalope . > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseParties > > > > Such a funky name, it would be a damn shame if we didn't at least try > something. > > > > Will chat to Deshan @ RVB (RVB.co.nz, K'rd) to see if he'd be willing to > accommodate us. > > Some of you have been there before: where we had or meet last year to > organise the SFD (which we'll have to try & get around to again at some > point, but that's for another day) > > He's got a liquor licence & games to distract the better halves, so it > may be a nice social gathering > > > > Cheers > > > > - J > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > _________________________________________________________________ > Looking for a place to manage all your online stuff? Explore the new > Windows Live > > http://www.windowslive.com/Explore_______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 13:46:38 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Mar 26 13:46:48 2009 Subject: MS OEM License in VM was: Re: [AuckLUG] claiming back windows license cost Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Mark Foster wrote: > > I for one tend to find windows useful enough that in the context of spending > money on a laptop, its better to have the license than not. ?But that's > largely a factor of the large amount of work I have to do in windows > environments and the fact that if you want to even run it in a VM, you need > a license for it. > > Mark. Sudden thought. I know that the OEM license restricts you to using that copy of Windows on that machine only (as far as I know at least) - is it legal to install Linux and then use that license under a VM or is the VM considered to be another machine ? Regards, Nevyn. From blakjak at blakjak.net Thu Mar 26 14:14:29 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Thu Mar 26 14:14:39 2009 Subject: MS OEM License in VM was: Re: [AuckLUG] claiming back windows license cost In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4767.119.15.0.26.1238033669.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> On Thu, March 26, 2009 1:46 pm, Nevyn wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Mark Foster wrote: >> >> I for one tend to find windows useful enough that in the context of >> spending >> money on a laptop, its better to have the license than not. ?But that's >> largely a factor of the large amount of work I have to do in windows >> environments and the fact that if you want to even run it in a VM, you >> need >> a license for it. > >> >> Mark. > > Sudden thought. I know that the OEM license restricts you to using > that copy of Windows on that machine only (as far as I know at least) > - is it legal to install Linux and then use that license under a VM or > is the VM considered to be another machine ? > I'm not a lawyer. I dont know if they license OS's for use within VM's specifically, so one does have to ask.... I havn't personally done it yet, so it's not yet a concern... From daniel at rimspace.net Thu Mar 26 14:18:13 2009 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Thu Mar 26 14:18:30 2009 Subject: MS OEM License in VM was: Re: [AuckLUG] claiming back windows license cost In-Reply-To: (Nevyn's message of "Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:46:38 +1300") References: Message-ID: <87eiwlauxm.fsf@rimspace.net> Nevyn writes: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Mark Foster wrote: >> >> I for one tend to find windows useful enough that in the context of spending >> money on a laptop, its better to have the license than not. ?But that's >> largely a factor of the large amount of work I have to do in windows >> environments and the fact that if you want to even run it in a VM, you need >> a license for it. > > Sudden thought. I know that the OEM license restricts you to using > that copy of Windows on that machine only (as far as I know at least) > - is it legal to install Linux and then use that license under a VM or > is the VM considered to be another machine ? Generally speaking, this is not legal, as far as I understand things. OTOH, I have also been told that the terms have actually liberalized recently[1], so it /may/ have become legal to do that. Certainly the OEM agreements that IBM/Lenovo, Dell and HP had six months ago did not allow this: they were only available as hardware locked "system recovery" versions of Windows, and the license key was not operable with any other version ? including if you installed a regular Windows version rather than an OEM version. If you really want to know you could give Microsoft Licensing a call, or drop them an email. It took me about 15 minutes, total, to confirm each licensing agreement when it came to the question, and no personal details were required. I also *strongly* believe that you should respect those licensing terms: even if it is technically possible to bypass them, if the license forbids running your copy of Windows in a VM then you should not do so. Regards, Daniel Footnotes: [1] Since I don't run any Windows the licensing terms don't actually bother me any longer until a client asks. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 26 16:43:09 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Mar 26 16:43:18 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Confirmed - Jaunty Jol Message-ID: <461060.43986.qm@web25406.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> EXCELLENT news! Deshan @ RvB was graciously acquiesced to our request (i.e. he said 'yes') We're on for the 24th April! :D I reckoned that, although the OFFICIAL launch is the previous day, it'll probably be US/UK time, and we may be a bit hard-pressed to source ISO's in time. Not to mention that it's a "school-night" The next day is Anzac Day, and he's one of only a very few bars (5 or 6) that are licensed (there's that word again...hehehehe) to sell liquor past the stroke of midnight. My suggestion is that participants/attendees please buy a drink, or 2, alcoholic or otherwise, to at least make it worth his while (this is not a *must*, but would be nice). EVERYBODY's welcome; ubuntu & non-ubuntu boys & girls; hell, even non-linux users. The more the merrier. (this would fit with the meaning of the word "ubuntu": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy) ) Lotsa non-linux/ubuntu distractions available on premises (Wii's+projectors), so there's even be something to keep our "better halves" entertained once we inevitably begin talking shop (as these things go). Will post some details on the FB page for those interrested (I see RVB has some FB pages too, btw), and circulate info around closer to the date (someone please remind me again closer to the date). Will update the "official" ubuntu launch-party page accordingly. (I'll also invite some other groups to join the festivities) Cheers & hope to see ya'all then ;) - Jaco From pfielder at operamail.com Sat Mar 28 15:56:25 2009 From: pfielder at operamail.com (Paul Fielder) Date: Sat Mar 28 15:57:11 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] NEW USER - PRINTER AND INTERNET CONNECTION HELP REQUIRED Message-ID: <26F62AFB210443B791139217DF21E549@PAUL> Hello, I'm new to Linux and I'm keen to get it working for me, but I've struggled for a month to get Ubantu to drive my printer and my internet connection, with total failure ! From various forums I gather that my printer (Kyocera FS 720) is one which Linux won't drive, although I'm sure there are probably ways around this, but I really want to get my internet connection working and think it's about time I consulted somebody who can show me what I'm doing wrong. My laptop connects to the Woosh wireless broadband network via a USB port. Woosh tell me their hardware doesn't support Linux but I expect that there is a solution to this too. The dial-up modem is a Smartlink 56k, and I tried downloading the slmodem package with Windows and installing it in Ubantu using the terminal as per instructions but just get a lot of error messages and warnings when I try to run the '$ make' and '# make install' commands, even after editing the KERNAL_DIR path as directed. I've got Marcel Gagne's book Moving to Ubantu Linux, but it hasn't solved my problems. Help ! From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Sat Mar 28 16:09:21 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Sat Mar 28 16:09:31 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] NEW USER - PRINTER AND INTERNET CONNECTION HELP REQUIRED In-Reply-To: <26F62AFB210443B791139217DF21E549@PAUL> References: <26F62AFB210443B791139217DF21E549@PAUL> Message-ID: <1238213361.6804.0.camel@studypad> On Sat, 2009-03-28 at 16:56 +1300, Paul Fielder wrote: > Hello, I'm new to Linux and I'm keen to get it working for me, but I've struggled for a month to get Ubantu to drive my printer and my internet connection, with total failure ! From various forums I gather that my printer (Kyocera FS 720) is one which Linux won't drive, although I'm sure there are probably ways around this, but I really want to get my internet connection working and think it's about time I consulted somebody who can show me what I'm doing wrong. My laptop connects to the Woosh wireless broadband network via a USB port. Woosh tell me their hardware doesn't support Linux but I expect that there is a solution to this too. The dial-up modem is a Smartlink 56k, and I tried downloading the slmodem package with Windows and installing it in Ubantu using the terminal as per instructions but just get a lot of error messages and warnings when I try to run the '$ make' and '# make install' commands, even after editing the KERNAL_DIR path as directed. I've got Marcel Gagne's book Moving to Ubantu Linux, but it hasn't solved my problems. Help ! > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug Use the ethernet adapter for the woosh modem and then something like rp-pppoe. From simon at simongreen.name Sat Mar 28 16:16:11 2009 From: simon at simongreen.name (Simon Green) Date: Sat Mar 28 16:16:26 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] NEW USER - PRINTER AND INTERNET CONNECTION HELP REQUIRED In-Reply-To: <1238213361.6804.0.camel@studypad> References: <26F62AFB210443B791139217DF21E549@PAUL> <1238213361.6804.0.camel@studypad> Message-ID: <4d1940c20903272116mdc1dc9agf400116b339126fe@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/28 Josh Martens : > Use the ethernet adapter for the woosh modem and then something like > rp-pppoe. This page may help you too. http://wlug.org.nz/WooshWireless -- simon From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 00:06:34 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Mar 30 00:06:46 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] NEW USER - PRINTER AND INTERNET CONNECTION HELP REQUIRED In-Reply-To: <26F62AFB210443B791139217DF21E549@PAUL> References: <26F62AFB210443B791139217DF21E549@PAUL> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Paul Fielder wrote: > Hello, I'm new to Linux and I'm keen to get it working for me, but I've struggled for a month to get Ubantu to drive my printer and my internet connection, with total failure ! From various forums I gather that my printer (Kyocera FS 720) is one which Linux won't drive, although I'm sure there are probably ways around this, but I really want to get my internet connection working and think it's about time I consulted somebody who can show me what I'm doing wrong. My laptop connects to the Woosh wireless broadband network via a USB port. Woosh tell me their hardware doesn't support Linux but I expect that there is a solution to this too. The dial-up modem is a Smartlink 56k, and I tried downloading the slmodem package with Windows and installing it in Ubantu using the terminal as per instructions but just get a lot of error messages and warnings when I try to run the '$ make' and '# make install' commands, even after editing the KERNAL_DIR path as directed. I've got Marcel Gagne's book Moving to Ubantu Linux, but it hasn't solved my problems. Help ! As has already been stated - you have to use the ethernet adapter with the Woosh modem if you want it working with Linux. On the plus side, it works pretty well - back when I was using Woosh and found the whole aerial situation frustrating (my computer is not by my Window) I set up a 386 under my bed with a couple of network cards and a distribution running off a floppy disc running as a router/firewall. Worked pretty well though having a computer humming away under my bed soon got annoying. This should be seen as an indication that you can get the Woosh modem working on even antiquated distributions/hardware. Meanwhile, if you want to try and get the dial up modem working.... I'm wondering if the output to "lspci" might give us more of a clue. This page here: http://mattsmith.hostmatrix.org/zx5078cl/main.html implies that the "#make install" command may not work for those drivers. It also, under those commands, states a couple of dependencies - "libasound2-dev" and "alsa-headers" - one or both needed - the site is a little unclear on this point but installing both shouldn't have any adverse effects. Chances are, the errors you're getting while trying to compile the drivers are caused by a missing dependency. In which case, it's probably worthwhile posting the error message here. Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 00:29:29 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Mar 30 00:29:39 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] NEW USER - PRINTER AND INTERNET CONNECTION HELP REQUIRED In-Reply-To: <26F62AFB210443B791139217DF21E549@PAUL> References: <26F62AFB210443B791139217DF21E549@PAUL> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Paul Fielder wrote: > Hello, I'm new to Linux and I'm keen to get it working for me, but I've struggled for a month to get Ubantu to drive my printer and my internet connection, with total failure ! From various forums I gather that my printer (Kyocera FS 720) is one which Linux won't drive, although I'm sure there are probably ways around this, but I really want to get my internet connection working and think it's about time I consulted somebody who can show me what I'm doing wrong. My laptop connects to the Woosh wireless broadband network via a USB port. Woosh tell me their hardware doesn't support Linux but I expect that there is a solution to this too. The dial-up modem is a Smartlink 56k, and I tried downloading the slmodem package with Windows and installing it in Ubantu using the terminal as per instructions but just get a lot of error messages and warnings when I try to run the '$ make' and '# make install' commands, even after editing the KERNAL_DIR path as directed. I've got Marcel Gagne's book Moving to Ubantu Linux, but it hasn't solved my problems. Help ! Oh and about the printer - this is interesting. I have never the seen the like before. The OpenPrinting Database (found at this page: http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Kyocera-FS-720) has this to say about it: BW laser printer, max. 600x600 dpi, this is a Paperweight However - I also found this comment: I've installed Kyocera FS-720 on a gentoo working with cups with a kyocera driver I think the one above -820 and i i think it should work also with a raw driver... On this page: http://forums.linux-foundation.org/read.php?28,183 However, that comment hasn't been followed up with any configuration instructions and no one else on the forum appears to have had any luck getting this printing going. The printer is a GDI printer which is basically the equivalent of a winmodem. The only other way is to use a windows machine (which can be a VM) to use redmon (redirect monitor I think - great program for Windows to turn any printer into a PS printer) which in turn allows you to share the printer with your Linux machine. However, this is a hell of a lot of over head just to get printing going. If you want to go down this road try: http://www.instructables.com/id/Use-any-GDI-printer-with-GNULinux/ There was also this site: http://home.comcast.net/~heretrythis/hp3100/psemuxp.html but when I tried it the site wasn't up. I think it's much the same thing only I can't confirm this at this stage. Regards, Nevyn. From martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz Mon Mar 30 07:11:43 2009 From: martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz (Martin Kealey) Date: Mon Mar 30 07:11:51 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days Message-ID: First non-holiday Monday of each month When: 7:00 pm Monday 6 April 2009 Where: Vodafone building, 20 Viaduct Harbour Avenue Parking: anywhere in Halsey St Theme: interesting new technology (speaker to be confirmed) As usual we will have several rooms at our disposal: - presentation - socializing/BoF - workshop/Q&A An indication of numbers would be appreciated; if you let me know in advance I can arrange for your name-tag to be pre-printed. -Martin From robin.paulson at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 08:38:47 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Mon Mar 30 08:38:58 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2f3aa2770903291338kb8bedffge1b5647fa67ce593@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/30 Martin Kealey : > > First non-holiday Monday of each month > > When: 7:00 pm Monday 6 April 2009 > > Where: Vodafone building, 20 Viaduct Harbour Avenue > > Parking: anywhere in Halsey St > > Theme: interesting new technology (speaker to be confirmed) > > As usual we will have several rooms at our disposal: > ? ? ? ?- presentation > ? ? ? ?- socializing/BoF > ? ? ? ?- workshop/Q&A > > An indication of numbers would be appreciated; if you let me know in advance > I can arrange for your name-tag to be pre-printed. yeah, i'll be there From martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz Mon Mar 30 10:02:46 2009 From: martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz (Martin D Kealey) Date: Mon Mar 30 10:02:54 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Confirmed speaker: Vik Olliver will be telling us about RepRap. For those who haven't heard of RepRap before, think "build your own 3-D printer". For those who have, think "and use it to print a RepRap machine". -Martin On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Martin Kealey wrote: > First non-holiday Monday of each month > > When: 7:00 pm Monday 6 April 2009 > > Where: Vodafone building, 20 Viaduct Harbour Avenue > > Parking: anywhere in Halsey St > > Theme: interesting new technology (speaker to be confirmed) > > As usual we will have several rooms at our disposal: > - presentation > - socializing/BoF > - workshop/Q&A > > An indication of numbers would be appreciated; if you let me know in advance > I can arrange for your name-tag to be pre-printed. From pieter at insync.za.net Mon Mar 30 10:10:26 2009 From: pieter at insync.za.net (Pieter De Wit) Date: Mon Mar 30 10:12:52 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7be6caf3ad08d459cf3519a69f6e9628@127.0.0.1> That sounds a lot like that whole "So and so is not xyz" (forgot the proper english word for it).Linux is not unix comes to mind, PHP is not html... Or like the chicken and egg thing :) Just some 2c of humor :) On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:02:46 +1300 (NZDT), Martin D Kealey wrote: > Confirmed speaker: Vik Olliver will be telling us about RepRap. > > For those who haven't heard of RepRap before, think "build your own 3-D > printer". > > For those who have, think "and use it to print a RepRap machine". > > -Martin > > On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Martin Kealey wrote: >> First non-holiday Monday of each month >> >> When: 7:00 pm Monday 6 April 2009 >> >> Where: Vodafone building, 20 Viaduct Harbour Avenue >> >> Parking: anywhere in Halsey St >> >> Theme: interesting new technology (speaker to be confirmed) >> >> As usual we will have several rooms at our disposal: >> - presentation >> - socializing/BoF >> - workshop/Q&A >> >> An indication of numbers would be appreciated; if you let me know in >> advance >> I can arrange for your name-tag to be pre-printed. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From thetoolman at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 10:19:09 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Mon Mar 30 10:19:17 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: <7be6caf3ad08d459cf3519a69f6e9628@127.0.0.1> References: <7be6caf3ad08d459cf3519a69f6e9628@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: Hmm i think the important point here is that the rep rap machine can print copies of itself - that is to say, self replicating... I'll be there, that sounds cool! - Toolman 2009/3/30 Pieter De Wit : > > That sounds a lot like that whole "So and so is not xyz" (forgot the proper > english word for it).Linux is not unix comes to mind, PHP is not html... > > Or like the chicken and egg thing :) > > Just some 2c of humor :) > > On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:02:46 +1300 (NZDT), Martin D Kealey > wrote: >> Confirmed speaker: Vik Olliver will be telling us about RepRap. >> >> For those who haven't heard of RepRap before, think "build your own 3-D >> printer". >> >> For those who have, think "and use it to print a RepRap machine". >> >> -Martin >> >> On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Martin Kealey wrote: >>> First non-holiday Monday of each month >>> >>> When: 7:00 pm Monday 6 April 2009 >>> >>> Where: Vodafone building, 20 Viaduct Harbour Avenue >>> >>> Parking: anywhere in Halsey St >>> >>> Theme: interesting new technology (speaker to be confirmed) >>> >>> As usual we will have several rooms at our disposal: >>> ? ? ?- presentation >>> ? ? ?- socializing/BoF >>> ? ? ?- workshop/Q&A >>> >>> An indication of numbers would be appreciated; if you let me know in >>> advance >>> I can arrange for your name-tag to be pre-printed. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 0541287 From candle.man.nz at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 10:23:22 2009 From: candle.man.nz at gmail.com (Kevin Adams) Date: Mon Mar 30 10:23:29 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: References: <7be6caf3ad08d459cf3519a69f6e9628@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <5b6001920903291523q1749ad9fqe73dda86c9b2fdef@mail.gmail.com> Interested in the Q & A. I will see if I can get my caregiver to bring me. Thanks for the early enough notice to arrange this. Kevin Adams 2009/3/30 Tim Toolman > Hmm i think the important point here is that the rep rap machine can > print copies of itself - that is to say, self replicating... > > I'll be there, that sounds cool! > > - Toolman > > 2009/3/30 Pieter De Wit : > > > > That sounds a lot like that whole "So and so is not xyz" (forgot the > proper > > english word for it).Linux is not unix comes to mind, PHP is not html... > > > > Or like the chicken and egg thing :) > > > > Just some 2c of humor :) > > > > On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:02:46 +1300 (NZDT), Martin D Kealey > > wrote: > >> Confirmed speaker: Vik Olliver will be telling us about RepRap. > >> > >> For those who haven't heard of RepRap before, think "build your own 3-D > >> printer". > >> > >> For those who have, think "and use it to print a RepRap machine". > >> > >> -Martin > >> > >> On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Martin Kealey wrote: > >>> First non-holiday Monday of each month > >>> > >>> When: 7:00 pm Monday 6 April 2009 > >>> > >>> Where: Vodafone building, 20 Viaduct Harbour Avenue > >>> > >>> Parking: anywhere in Halsey St > >>> > >>> Theme: interesting new technology (speaker to be confirmed) > >>> > >>> As usual we will have several rooms at our disposal: > >>> - presentation > >>> - socializing/BoF > >>> - workshop/Q&A > >>> > >>> An indication of numbers would be appreciated; if you let me know in > >>> advance > >>> I can arrange for your name-tag to be pre-printed. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AuckLUG mailing list > >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > > -- > Tim Taylor > +64 21 0541287 > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From robin.paulson at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 12:53:51 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Mon Mar 30 12:53:59 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2f3aa2770903291753x2b703cedkf61e121e79664dec@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/30 Martin Kealey : > ? ? ? ?- presentation > ? ? ? ?- socializing/BoF > ? ? ? ?- workshop/Q&A regarding the q&a, if i was to bring along my desktop, would someone be able to help me fix my xserver issues? ever since the new version of ubuntu, and the 'auto-configured' x server, it's not recognised my ancient 21" crt, and i can only get 800 x 600 cheers From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 13:52:25 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Mar 30 13:52:33 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770903291753x2b703cedkf61e121e79664dec@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770903291753x2b703cedkf61e121e79664dec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Robin Paulson wrote: > regarding the q&a, if i was to bring along my desktop, would someone > be able to help me fix my xserver issues? > > ever since the new version of ubuntu, and the 'auto-configured' x > server, it's not recognised my ancient 21" crt, and i can only get 800 > x 600 > > cheers Hi Paul We can probably deal with this on list if you're willing - worthwhile looking at some of the 'lil tricks out there for sorting this issue out and then contributing the suggestions to the wiki.... Regards, Nevyn. From swht at clear.net.nz Mon Mar 30 13:57:53 2009 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon) Date: Mon Mar 30 13:58:02 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] ScribeFire & Wordpress - on the off chance... In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770903291753x2b703cedkf61e121e79664dec@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770903291753x2b703cedkf61e121e79664dec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D02721.80708@clear.net.nz> ... somebody else has had a similar issue: I've been using ScribeFire as my blog editor for over a year without too many problems. Then without warning or my changing any settings the password and username for my blog were rejected by ScribeFire. The blog is Wordpress. Communication between editor and blog relies on xmlrpc.php - there's a checkbox in Wordpress, which is checked. I've tried various things to resume normal blogging - including reinstalling ScribeFire and upgrading Firefox (ScribeFire works inside Firefox) and looking over all security plugins at Wordpress and adding a new user with a new password - all to no avail. The only thing that was changed just before the breakdown in communication between blog and editor was the securing of my LAN with WPA-PSK. The connection is now noticeably slower as if using more bandwidth. Could this be affecting ScribeFire? I deleted my blog's URL from ScribeFire in order to test whether the Launch Wizard would find the blog. Yes it does. But when username and password are entered it returns Bad Username / Password Combination. If anyone has any ideas, I'd be very grateful to hear them. Editing posts and pages in Wordpress is still - despite improvements - much clunkier than ScribeFire... was. ScribeFire: 3.2.3 Firefox: 3.0.8 Wordpress: 2.7.1 Ubuntu 8.10 Best, Simon Taylor www.squarewhiteworld.com www.brazilcoffee.co.nz From blakjak at blakjak.net Mon Mar 30 15:24:29 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Mon Mar 30 15:24:37 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: <5b6001920903291523q1749ad9fqe73dda86c9b2fdef@mail.gmail.com> References: <7be6caf3ad08d459cf3519a69f6e9628@127.0.0.1> <5b6001920903291523q1749ad9fqe73dda86c9b2fdef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've put it on linux.net.nz. Martin, if you could compose something suitably clear - feel free to post something to nzlug-announce and i'll approve it. :) Mark. (currently in the USA. Ahh, Jetlag...) On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Kevin Adams wrote: > Interested in the Q & A. I will see if I can get my caregiver to bring me. > Thanks for the early enough notice to arrange this. > > Kevin Adams > > 2009/3/30 Tim Toolman > >> Hmm i think the important point here is that the rep rap machine can >> print copies of itself - that is to say, self replicating... >> >> I'll be there, that sounds cool! >> >> - Toolman >> >> 2009/3/30 Pieter De Wit : >>> >>> That sounds a lot like that whole "So and so is not xyz" (forgot the >> proper >>> english word for it).Linux is not unix comes to mind, PHP is not html... >>> >>> Or like the chicken and egg thing :) >>> >>> Just some 2c of humor :) >>> >>> On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:02:46 +1300 (NZDT), Martin D Kealey >>> wrote: >>>> Confirmed speaker: Vik Olliver will be telling us about RepRap. >>>> >>>> For those who haven't heard of RepRap before, think "build your own 3-D >>>> printer". >>>> >>>> For those who have, think "and use it to print a RepRap machine". >>>> >>>> -Martin >>>> >>>> On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Martin Kealey wrote: >>>>> First non-holiday Monday of each month >>>>> >>>>> When: 7:00 pm Monday 6 April 2009 >>>>> >>>>> Where: Vodafone building, 20 Viaduct Harbour Avenue >>>>> >>>>> Parking: anywhere in Halsey St >>>>> >>>>> Theme: interesting new technology (speaker to be confirmed) >>>>> >>>>> As usual we will have several rooms at our disposal: >>>>> - presentation >>>>> - socializing/BoF >>>>> - workshop/Q&A >>>>> >>>>> An indication of numbers would be appreciated; if you let me know in >>>>> advance >>>>> I can arrange for your name-tag to be pre-printed. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AuckLUG mailing list >>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tim Taylor >> +64 21 0541287 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From robin.paulson at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 17:07:24 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Mon Mar 30 17:07:35 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: References: <2f3aa2770903291753x2b703cedkf61e121e79664dec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770903292207x18f5fd46t1b7709284fbe28b9@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/30 Nevyn : >> regarding the q&a, if i was to bring along my desktop, would someone >> be able to help me fix my xserver issues? >> >> ever since the new version of ubuntu, and the 'auto-configured' x >> server, it's not recognised my ancient 21" crt, and i can only get 800 >> x 600 > > Hi Paul > > We can probably deal with this on list if you're willing - worthwhile > looking at some of the 'lil tricks out there for sorting this issue > out and then contributing the suggestions to the wiki.... excellent, yeah sure. i wasn't keen on lugging a full-size tower into town anyway... any suggestions, or if more info is needed, fire away rob From rosscoad at slingshot.co.nz Mon Mar 30 18:43:54 2009 From: rosscoad at slingshot.co.nz (Ross) Date: Mon Mar 30 18:44:06 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770903292207x18f5fd46t1b7709284fbe28b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770903291753x2b703cedkf61e121e79664dec@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903292207x18f5fd46t1b7709284fbe28b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D06A2A.9080708@slingshot.co.nz> Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/3/30 Nevyn : >>> regarding the q&a, if i was to bring along my desktop, would someone >>> be able to help me fix my xserver issues? >>> >>> ever since the new version of ubuntu, and the 'auto-configured' x >>> server, it's not recognised my ancient 21" crt, and i can only get 800 >>> x 600 >> Hi Paul >> >> We can probably deal with this on list if you're willing - worthwhile >> looking at some of the 'lil tricks out there for sorting this issue >> out and then contributing the suggestions to the wiki.... > > excellent, yeah sure. i wasn't keen on lugging a full-size tower into > town anyway... > > any suggestions, or if more info is needed, fire away > Which model is the Dell monitor? If you could post the contents of your current /etc/X11/xorg.conf would be useful too. Ross. From robin.paulson at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 19:47:30 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Mon Mar 30 19:47:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: <49D06A2A.9080708@slingshot.co.nz> References: <2f3aa2770903291753x2b703cedkf61e121e79664dec@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903292207x18f5fd46t1b7709284fbe28b9@mail.gmail.com> <49D06A2A.9080708@slingshot.co.nz> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770903300047m5984367rd62f962e28d88aab@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/30 Ross > Which model is the Dell monitor? If you could post the contents of your > current /etc/X11/xorg.conf would be useful too. > it's not a dell, it's a digital; model is: vrc21-h4 the contents of xorg.conf are: ###################### Section "Device" Identifier "Configured Video Device" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Configured Monitor" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Monitor "Configured Monitor" Device "Configured Video Device" DefaultDepth 16 SubSection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection EndSection ###################### iirc, i added the "1280x1024" section at the bottom - that's the resolution i'm aiming for From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 22:17:18 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Mar 30 22:17:28 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Configuring Xorg - Was: Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/3/30 Ross >> Which model is the Dell monitor? If you could post the contents of your >> current /etc/X11/xorg.conf would be useful too. >> > > it's not a dell, it's a digital; model is: > vrc21-h4 > > the contents of xorg.conf are: > > ###################### > Section "Device" > ? ? ? ?Identifier ? ? ?"Configured Video Device" > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > ? ? ? ?Identifier ? ? ?"Configured Monitor" > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > ? ? ? ?Identifier ? ? ?"Default Screen" > ? ? ? ?Monitor ? ? ? ? "Configured Monitor" > ? ? ? ?Device ? ? ? ? ?"Configured Video Device" > ? ? ? ?DefaultDepth ? ?16 > ? ? ? ?SubSection "Display" > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Depth ? ? ? ? ? 16 > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Modes ? ? ? ? ? "1280x1024" > ? ? ? ?EndSubSection > EndSection > ###################### > > iirc, i added the "1280x1024" section at the bottom - that's the > resolution i'm aiming for *groan* I hate all this "don't have any real configuration and let it figure it out" sort of stuff. I can never tell what it's doing. So... lets get an xorg.conf file with some parameters in it first. So without X running (Hit Ctrl-Alt-F1, log on and issue a "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" command) and then run: sudo Xorg -configure This will create a file in your /root directory called xorg.conf.new Then try: sudo Xorg -config /root/xorg.conf.new This will test out the configuration to make sure it actually works. It should show a gray background with a black X in the middle - you can then test your mouse (wiggle it - the black X should move about). Once you're done, hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to get back to the terminal. If you're happy it works, issue the following commands: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old sudo mv /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start Then have a look at the gui tools for setting up the monitor and resolution and see if this has improved things at all. Regards, Nevyn. From djlewis78 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 07:59:00 2009 From: djlewis78 at gmail.com (Daniel Lewis) Date: Tue Mar 31 07:59:10 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <416653940903301259h35233be1kbcb65e8b0acf75e0@mail.gmail.com> I also will be coming. Daniel Lewis On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Martin Kealey wrote: > > First non-holiday Monday of each month > > When: 7:00 pm Monday 6 April 2009 > > Where: Vodafone building, 20 Viaduct Harbour Avenue > > Parking: anywhere in Halsey St > > Theme: interesting new technology (speaker to be confirmed) > > As usual we will have several rooms at our disposal: > - presentation > - socializing/BoF > - workshop/Q&A > > An indication of numbers would be appreciated; if you let me know in > advance > I can arrange for your name-tag to be pre-printed. > > -Martin > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 08:34:33 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Mar 31 08:34:41 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Configuring Xorg - Was: Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2f3aa2770903301334m22ab00fakb222d609ff3c3cd7@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/30 Nevyn : >> iirc, i added the "1280x1024" section at the bottom - that's the >> resolution i'm aiming for > > *groan* I hate all this "don't have any real configuration and let it > figure it out" sort of stuff. I can never tell what it's doing. So... > lets get an xorg.conf file with some parameters in it first. So > without X running (Hit Ctrl-Alt-F1, log on and issue a "sudo > /etc/init.d/gdm stop" command) and then run: sudo Xorg -configure > > This will create a file in your /root directory called xorg.conf.new > Then try: > sudo Xorg -config /root/xorg.conf.new > This will test out the configuration to make sure it actually works. > It should show a gray background with a black X in the middle - you > can then test your mouse (wiggle it - the black X should move about). > Once you're done, hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to get back to the terminal. > If you're happy it works, issue the following commands: > sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old > sudo mv /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf > sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start ok, that failed at the 'sudo Xorg -configure' step. i can't find any log file it might have created (not sure where to look), but i recall the last lines i saw were 'failed to load mtx driver' (it's a matrox card, so the mtx driver is right), and 'Saw signal 11. Server aborting.' From thetoolman at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 08:45:26 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Tue Mar 31 08:45:33 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Configuring Xorg - Was: Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770903301334m22ab00fakb222d609ff3c3cd7@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770903301334m22ab00fakb222d609ff3c3cd7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: log file will be at: /var/log/X11/Xorg.0.log 2009/3/31 Robin Paulson : > 2009/3/30 Nevyn : >>> iirc, i added the "1280x1024" section at the bottom - that's the >>> resolution i'm aiming for >> >> *groan* I hate all this "don't have any real configuration and let it >> figure it out" sort of stuff. I can never tell what it's doing. So... >> lets get an xorg.conf file with some parameters in it first. So >> without X running (Hit Ctrl-Alt-F1, log on and issue a "sudo >> /etc/init.d/gdm stop" command) and then run: sudo Xorg -configure >> >> This will create a file in your /root directory called xorg.conf.new >> Then try: >> sudo Xorg -config /root/xorg.conf.new >> This will test out the configuration to make sure it actually works. >> It should show a gray background with a black X in the middle - you >> can then test your mouse (wiggle it - the black X should move about). >> Once you're done, hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to get back to the terminal. >> If you're happy it works, issue the following commands: >> sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old >> sudo mv /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf >> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start > > ok, that failed at the 'sudo Xorg -configure' step. i can't find any > log file it might have created (not sure where to look), but i recall > the last lines i saw were 'failed to load mtx driver' (it's a matrox > card, so the mtx driver is right), and 'Saw signal 11. ?Server > aborting.' > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 0541287 From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 09:06:10 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Mar 31 09:06:17 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Configuring Xorg - Was: Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: References: <2f3aa2770903301334m22ab00fakb222d609ff3c3cd7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770903301406j6aaa8892te7cc235ca117535f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/31 Tim Toolman : > log file will be at: > > /var/log/X11/Xorg.0.log there's this: /var/log/Xorg.0.log but i don't think that's it - it has no mention of the mtx driver that i saw previously and it does include mention of the mouse and so on, so i assume that's the successful x11 session, i.e. the one i'm using now i assume the one listed above has overwritten the one form the previous session? From thetoolman at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 09:09:22 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Tue Mar 31 09:09:32 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Configuring Xorg - Was: Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770903301406j6aaa8892te7cc235ca117535f@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770903301334m22ab00fakb222d609ff3c3cd7@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301406j6aaa8892te7cc235ca117535f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: hehe try /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old then! 2009/3/31 Robin Paulson : > 2009/3/31 Tim Toolman : >> log file will be at: >> >> /var/log/X11/Xorg.0.log > > there's this: /var/log/Xorg.0.log > > but i don't think that's it - it has no mention of the mtx driver that > i saw previously > and it does include mention of the mouse and so on, so i assume that's > the successful x11 session, i.e. the one i'm using now > > i assume the one listed above has overwritten the one form the previous session? > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 0541287 From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 09:33:28 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Mar 31 09:33:37 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Configuring Xorg - Was: Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: References: <2f3aa2770903301334m22ab00fakb222d609ff3c3cd7@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301406j6aaa8892te7cc235ca117535f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770903301433k1e0a7412u427fb85db973b400@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/31 Tim Toolman : > hehe try > > /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old > > then! oh dear, it's too early in the morning...i'm being very slow no mention of the mtx driver there either. or the other error message i got when i ran the command nevyn supplied i'm stuck now From candle.man.nz at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 09:39:55 2009 From: candle.man.nz at gmail.com (Kevin Adams) Date: Tue Mar 31 09:40:10 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Configuring Xorg - Was: Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770903301433k1e0a7412u427fb85db973b400@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770903301334m22ab00fakb222d609ff3c3cd7@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301406j6aaa8892te7cc235ca117535f@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301433k1e0a7412u427fb85db973b400@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5b6001920903301439v7e7a085cudda150ae17499213@mail.gmail.com> Excuse Me : Newbie Advice : In your applications Menu under Accessories there should be a package listed ? screens and graphics. This is the old xorg configuration screen that used to appear when you had low resolution problems at startup. If you haven't got it I'm not sure how it appeared. Kevin Adams 2009/3/31 Robin Paulson > 2009/3/31 Tim Toolman : > > hehe try > > > > /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old > > > > then! > > oh dear, it's too early in the morning...i'm being very slow > > no mention of the mtx driver there either. or the other error message > i got when i ran the command nevyn supplied > > i'm stuck now > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 09:56:06 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Mar 31 09:56:14 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Configuring Xorg - Was: Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: <5b6001920903301439v7e7a085cudda150ae17499213@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770903301334m22ab00fakb222d609ff3c3cd7@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301406j6aaa8892te7cc235ca117535f@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301433k1e0a7412u427fb85db973b400@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903301439v7e7a085cudda150ae17499213@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770903301456u66edab7fgdc183cf46cadfd69@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/31 Kevin Adams : > Excuse Me : Newbie Advice : In your applications Menu under Accessories > there should be a package listed ? screens and graphics. This is the old > xorg configuration screen that used to appear when you had low resolution > problems at startup. If you haven't got it I'm not sure how it appeared. > well, i'm not a newbie, but that's an aside. there is an applet in preferences for selecting screen resolution, but it's only populated with 800 x 600 and 640 x 480 - it ignores any values i manually put in xorg.conf i tried nevyn's commands again - there is now an Xorg.conf in /root when i force xorg to start, using this file, it fails with: '(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. Fatal server error: no screens found' From candle.man.nz at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 10:05:03 2009 From: candle.man.nz at gmail.com (Kevin Adams) Date: Tue Mar 31 10:05:11 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Configuring Xorg - Was: Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770903301456u66edab7fgdc183cf46cadfd69@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770903301334m22ab00fakb222d609ff3c3cd7@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301406j6aaa8892te7cc235ca117535f@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301433k1e0a7412u427fb85db973b400@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903301439v7e7a085cudda150ae17499213@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301456u66edab7fgdc183cf46cadfd69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5b6001920903301505s2362f12bm27c1ab9dda50b22b@mail.gmail.com> Idea - perhaps you should try the graphics page and try to set up your card first and then see if your options have improved on the screen display page. Kevin Adams 2009/3/31 Robin Paulson > 2009/3/31 Kevin Adams : > > Excuse Me : Newbie Advice : In your applications Menu under Accessories > > there should be a package listed ? screens and graphics. This is the old > > xorg configuration screen that used to appear when you had low resolution > > problems at startup. If you haven't got it I'm not sure how it appeared. > > > > well, i'm not a newbie, but that's an aside. > > there is an applet in preferences for selecting screen resolution, but > it's only populated with 800 x 600 and 640 x 480 - it ignores any > values i manually put in xorg.conf > > i tried nevyn's commands again - there is now an Xorg.conf in /root > > when i force xorg to start, using this file, it fails with: > '(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. > > Fatal server error: > no screens found' > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 10:41:52 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Mar 31 10:42:05 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Configuring Xorg - Was: Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770903301456u66edab7fgdc183cf46cadfd69@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770903301334m22ab00fakb222d609ff3c3cd7@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301406j6aaa8892te7cc235ca117535f@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301433k1e0a7412u427fb85db973b400@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903301439v7e7a085cudda150ae17499213@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301456u66edab7fgdc183cf46cadfd69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Robin Paulson wrote: > well, i'm not a newbie, but that's an aside. > > there is an applet in preferences for selecting screen resolution, but > it's only populated with 800 x 600 and 640 x 480 - it ignores any > values i manually put in xorg.conf > > i tried nevyn's commands again - there is now an Xorg.conf in /root > > when i force xorg to start, using this file, it fails with: > '(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. > > Fatal server error: > no screens found' This is probably where we start getting into copy and paste mode. You've now got 2 xorg.conf files - one in /root and one in /etc/X11. Given that you saw an error regarding mtx, it's probably worthwhile doing a search for your graphics card (lspci to the rescue) and checking to make sure that it does use the mtx driver. If it doesn't, then change it in the xorg.conf in /root. Also, you can probably change the xorg.conf file in /root to reflect the parts that are working in the other xorg.conf. So for the mouse for example, you could remove the entry in there for mouse. Given that the problem is a graphics problem, which is a combination of monitor and video card, these sections should stay. If in doubt, you could always boot into an older live distro and see what they come up with for an xorg.conf. Copy the contents of that somewhere and see if it'll work with your distribution. From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 10:42:37 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Mar 31 10:42:46 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Configuring Xorg - Was: Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: References: <2f3aa2770903301334m22ab00fakb222d609ff3c3cd7@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301406j6aaa8892te7cc235ca117535f@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301433k1e0a7412u427fb85db973b400@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903301439v7e7a085cudda150ae17499213@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301456u66edab7fgdc183cf46cadfd69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Nevyn wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Robin Paulson wrote: >> well, i'm not a newbie, but that's an aside. >> >> there is an applet in preferences for selecting screen resolution, but >> it's only populated with 800 x 600 and 640 x 480 - it ignores any >> values i manually put in xorg.conf >> >> i tried nevyn's commands again - there is now an Xorg.conf in /root >> >> when i force xorg to start, using this file, it fails with: >> '(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. >> >> Fatal server error: >> no screens found' > > This is probably where we start getting into copy and paste mode. > You've now got 2 xorg.conf files - one in /root and one in /etc/X11. > > Given that you saw an error regarding mtx, it's probably worthwhile > doing a search for your graphics card (lspci to the rescue) and > checking to make sure that it does use the mtx driver. If it doesn't, > then change it in the xorg.conf in /root. > Also, you can probably change the xorg.conf file in /root to reflect > the parts that are working in the other xorg.conf. So for the mouse > for example, you could remove the entry in there for mouse. Given that > the problem is a graphics problem, which is a combination of monitor > and video card, these sections should stay. > > If in doubt, you could always boot into an older live distro and see > what they come up with for an xorg.conf. Copy the contents of that > somewhere and see if it'll work with your distribution. Also - can you send us the contents of the xorg.conf file from your /root directory? From martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz Tue Mar 31 11:44:27 2009 From: martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz (Martin D Kealey) Date: Tue Mar 31 11:44:38 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770903300047m5984367rd62f962e28d88aab@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770903291753x2b703cedkf61e121e79664dec@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903292207x18f5fd46t1b7709284fbe28b9@mail.gmail.com> <49D06A2A.9080708@slingshot.co.nz> <2f3aa2770903300047m5984367rd62f962e28d88aab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: > SubSection "Display" > Depth 16 > Modes "1280x1024" > EndSubSection > iirc, i added the "1280x1024" section at the bottom - that's the > resolution i'm aiming for Tip: the things on the "Modes" line are simply labels that refer to definitions elsewhere. The obvious (though mildly surprising) conclusion is that there's no built-in definition for the label "1280x1024". So the solution is probably to add one. In the old days the "mode" definition consisted of pixel counts and horizontal and vertical sync timing and stuff that was essential to driving a CRT monitor. These days it probably has some other stuff needed to drive a digital monitor, but I expect the pixel counts will still be there somewhere. Beyond that I'm rather out of practice on the exact format for the mode definition so I'll have to leave it up to you to check the man pages. -Martin From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Mar 31 12:01:03 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Mar 31 12:01:14 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] A cure for conficker Message-ID: <842948.40087.qm@web25406.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Conficker is now caught out using a tried & testsed standard GNU/Linux tool: nmap Please refer to this page (http://insecure.org/) for details, but the summary basically goes like this: nmap -PN -T4 -p139,445 -n -v --script=smb-check-vulns --script-args safe=1 [targetnetworks] note: you'll need to download(http://download.insecure.org/nmap-dist/nmap-4.85BETA5.tgz) the beta "4.85BETA5" & compile(http://nmap.org/download.html) from source now you can pick up infected (win) systems on your network happy hunting ;) - J From Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz Tue Mar 31 12:37:39 2009 From: Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz (Chilling_Silence) Date: Tue Mar 31 12:37:49 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] A cure for conficker In-Reply-To: <842948.40087.qm@web25406.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <842948.40087.qm@web25406.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2987f0d40903301737u49a0ba48m484424132867cf7f@mail.gmail.com> Hypothetically, how long would it take to "scan the whole internet" if you had, say, 100 machines? On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > now you can pick up infected (win) systems on your network > > happy hunting ;) > From pfielder at operamail.com Tue Mar 31 12:42:53 2009 From: pfielder at operamail.com (Paul Fielder) Date: Tue Mar 31 12:44:05 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] INTERNET CONNECTION Message-ID: Thanks for the support, now I know what they mean by the helpful Linux community ! The page http://wlug.org.nz/WooshWireless was particularly interesting about the way to connect Woosh via the USB cable, I'm still working through it. The ethernet connection works, but sporadically, very fast for a few seconds and then nothing happens for a long time. Not good enough for updates. I thought it might be something to do with the MTU setting, but although the pppoeconf instructions say you can experiment with smaller values, it doesn't tell you how ! I thought I might be able to do it with modconf but it is not installed on my system, and when I try to run sudo apt-get install modconf it tells me it can't resolve nz.archive.ubuntu.com. I found the dsl-provider file and experimented with some lower values for mtu, but it didn't help. I'm thinking of changing from Woosh to Vodafone's 3G wireless broadband Vodem Stick, to get better coverage and get rid of the booster anntenna and unwieldy cables plastered all over my window. Is it possible to run this with Ubuntu ? - Paul From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 13:22:07 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Mar 31 13:22:17 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: References: <2f3aa2770903291753x2b703cedkf61e121e79664dec@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903292207x18f5fd46t1b7709284fbe28b9@mail.gmail.com> <49D06A2A.9080708@slingshot.co.nz> <2f3aa2770903300047m5984367rd62f962e28d88aab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Martin D Kealey wrote: > On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: >> ? ? ? SubSection "Display" >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Depth ? ? ? ? ? 16 >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Modes ? ? ? ? ? "1280x1024" >> ? ? ? EndSubSection > >> iirc, i added the "1280x1024" section at the bottom - that's the >> resolution i'm aiming for > > Tip: the things on the "Modes" line are simply labels that refer to > definitions elsewhere. > > The obvious (though mildly surprising) conclusion is that there's no > built-in definition for the label "1280x1024". > > So the solution is probably to add one. > > In the old days the "mode" definition consisted of pixel counts and > horizontal and vertical sync timing and stuff that was essential to driving > a CRT monitor. These days it probably has some other stuff needed to drive a > digital monitor, but I expect the pixel counts will still be there > somewhere. > > Beyond that I'm rather out of practice on the exact format for the mode > definition so I'll have to leave it up to you to check the man pages. > > -Martin This sounds familiar - monitor section, modeline definition? Something along those lines. It was horribly convoluted as far as I remember and required loads and loads of numbers (or so many numbers)... From thetoolman at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 13:36:57 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Tue Mar 31 13:37:06 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: References: <2f3aa2770903291753x2b703cedkf61e121e79664dec@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903292207x18f5fd46t1b7709284fbe28b9@mail.gmail.com> <49D06A2A.9080708@slingshot.co.nz> <2f3aa2770903300047m5984367rd62f962e28d88aab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If you need a modeline (which is uncommon nowadays) there are lots of online modeline calcualtors, eg: http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/ Good luck. 2009/3/31 Nevyn : > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Martin D Kealey > wrote: >> On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: >>> ? ? ? SubSection "Display" >>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Depth ? ? ? ? ? 16 >>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Modes ? ? ? ? ? "1280x1024" >>> ? ? ? EndSubSection >> >>> iirc, i added the "1280x1024" section at the bottom - that's the >>> resolution i'm aiming for >> >> Tip: the things on the "Modes" line are simply labels that refer to >> definitions elsewhere. >> >> The obvious (though mildly surprising) conclusion is that there's no >> built-in definition for the label "1280x1024". >> >> So the solution is probably to add one. >> >> In the old days the "mode" definition consisted of pixel counts and >> horizontal and vertical sync timing and stuff that was essential to driving >> a CRT monitor. These days it probably has some other stuff needed to drive a >> digital monitor, but I expect the pixel counts will still be there >> somewhere. >> >> Beyond that I'm rather out of practice on the exact format for the mode >> definition so I'll have to leave it up to you to check the man pages. >> >> -Martin > > This sounds familiar - monitor section, modeline definition? Something > along those lines. It was horribly convoluted as far as I remember and > required loads and loads of numbers (or so many numbers)... > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 0541287 From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 13:41:15 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Mar 31 13:41:24 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: References: <2f3aa2770903291753x2b703cedkf61e121e79664dec@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903292207x18f5fd46t1b7709284fbe28b9@mail.gmail.com> <49D06A2A.9080708@slingshot.co.nz> <2f3aa2770903300047m5984367rd62f962e28d88aab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Tim Toolman wrote: > If you need a modeline (which is uncommon nowadays) there are lots of > online modeline calcualtors, eg: > > http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/ > > Good luck. It was one of the things that put me off Linux initially. Trying to install Redhat and never actually getting to a graphical environment. I didn't know my horizontal or vertical scan rates and was always at a loss as to where to get this information from. From jrt746 at clear.net.nz Tue Mar 31 13:55:55 2009 From: jrt746 at clear.net.nz (John Rye) Date: Tue Mar 31 13:56:03 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770903300047m5984367rd62f962e28d88aab@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770903291753x2b703cedkf61e121e79664dec@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903292207x18f5fd46t1b7709284fbe28b9@mail.gmail.com> <49D06A2A.9080708@slingshot.co.nz> <2f3aa2770903300047m5984367rd62f962e28d88aab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090331145555.e88b87ec.jrt746@clear.net.nz> On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:47:30 +1300 Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/3/30 Ross > > Which model is the Dell monitor? If you could post the contents of your > > current /etc/X11/xorg.conf would be useful too. > > > > it's not a dell, it's a digital; model is: > vrc21-h4 The specs for the display are here: http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/dec/vrc21h.html Go here: http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl Using the info from the first URL, you should be able to get a list of usable mode lines. I'm not familiar enough with Ubuntu, but there must be some command line utilities which allow you to detect the actual capabilities of the monitor for insertion into xorg.conf John From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 17:55:58 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Mar 31 17:56:09 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Configuring Xorg - Was: Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: <5b6001920903301505s2362f12bm27c1ab9dda50b22b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770903301334m22ab00fakb222d609ff3c3cd7@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301406j6aaa8892te7cc235ca117535f@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301433k1e0a7412u427fb85db973b400@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903301439v7e7a085cudda150ae17499213@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301456u66edab7fgdc183cf46cadfd69@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903301505s2362f12bm27c1ab9dda50b22b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770903302255g6e29d315w2373622b0354d5e4@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/31 Kevin Adams : > Idea - perhaps you should try the graphics page and try to set up your card > first and then see if your options have improved on the screen display page. > the card works fine - it always has the problem comes from the fact that the new versions of xorg auto-detect *all* the settings for the monitor. my monitor is pre-plug-and-pray, and doesn't get detected. this in itself isn't a problem - i've always had a manually created xorg.conf, but now the extra values in it are ignored/not sufficiently defined From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 18:01:25 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Mar 31 18:01:36 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Configuring Xorg - Was: Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: References: <2f3aa2770903301334m22ab00fakb222d609ff3c3cd7@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301406j6aaa8892te7cc235ca117535f@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301433k1e0a7412u427fb85db973b400@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903301439v7e7a085cudda150ae17499213@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301456u66edab7fgdc183cf46cadfd69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770903302301vf14fae3ya42b2bccdbe0d9d5@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/31 Nevyn : > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Nevyn wrote: > Also - can you send us the contents of the xorg.conf file from your > /root directory? > ################################ Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "X.org Configured" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection Section "Files" ModulePath "/usr/lib/xorg/modules" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi" FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType" EndSection Section "Module" Load "dri" Load "glx" Load "xtrap" Load "dbe" Load "extmod" Load "record" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Monitor Vendor" ModelName "Monitor Model" EndSection Section "Device" ### Available Driver options are:- ### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False", ### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz" ### [arg]: arg optional #Option "ShadowFB" # [] #Option "Rotate" # #Option "fbdev" # #Option "debug" # [] Identifier "Card0" Driver "fbdev" VendorName "Matrox Graphics, Inc." BoardName "MGA Parhelia AGP" BusID "PCI:1:0:0" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Card0" Monitor "Monitor0" SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 4 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 8 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 15 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection ################################ From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 18:32:44 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Mar 31 18:32:51 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Configuring Xorg - Was: Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days In-Reply-To: References: <2f3aa2770903301334m22ab00fakb222d609ff3c3cd7@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301406j6aaa8892te7cc235ca117535f@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301433k1e0a7412u427fb85db973b400@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920903301439v7e7a085cudda150ae17499213@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903301456u66edab7fgdc183cf46cadfd69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770903302332o6911d72bx653b409f2dd8d128@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/31 Nevyn : > Given that you saw an error regarding mtx, it's probably worthwhile > doing a search for your graphics card (lspci to the rescue) and > checking to make sure that it does use the mtx driver. If it doesn't, > then change it in the xorg.conf in /root. i'm not too concerned about the mtx driver at the moment - i know i can get that working no problem. the biggest issue for now is sorting the resolution, and i'm sure the two aren't connected > Also, you can probably change the xorg.conf file in /root to reflect > the parts that are working in the other xorg.conf. So for the mouse > for example, you could remove the entry in there for mouse. Given that > the problem is a graphics problem, which is a combination of monitor > and video card, these sections should stay. > > If in doubt, you could always boot into an older live distro and see > what they come up with for an xorg.conf. Copy the contents of that > somewhere and see if it'll work with your distribution. i know what the settings will be, i've been using the same monitor and video card since edgy eft - it's how to get xorg to use manual and not auto settings that baffles me i may need to look into the issue of mode lines, as i think martin suggested From rudyhlaw at actrix.co.nz Tue Mar 31 21:01:08 2009 From: rudyhlaw at actrix.co.nz (Rudy Hlawatsch) Date: Tue Mar 31 21:01:27 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Reminder: AuckLUG monthly meeting in 7 days Message-ID: <49D1DBD4.3040706@actrix.co.nz> Hi Am interested in joining theAucklug user Group and seeing what its all about. I Am an Ubuntu user and have been for almost a year now. Hope to attend the meeting on Mon 6 April. Kind regards Rudy Hlawatsch