From martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz Sun Feb 1 09:45:15 2009 From: martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz (Martin Kealey) Date: Sun Feb 1 09:45:24 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Auckland Linux Users' Group monthly meeting reminder: Monday 6:30 pm at 16 Viaduct Harbour Ave Message-ID: What: the Auckland Linux Users' Group's monthly meeting (for February) When: 6:30 pm on the first working Monday of each month (which is to say, tomorrow) Where: Ground level of "V.nue" (the Vodafone building) 16 Viaduct Harbour Ave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Auckland Linux Users' Group monthly meeting Questions, comments and comparisons are encouraged (as always). There are three rooms available, so we can have multiple streams. Stream 1: presentation "What I did at NZNOG" - contributions from various speakers on several topics including: (1) IPv6 - the good, the bad, and the ugly (2) Virtualization - hypervisor vs emulation and other stuff Stream 2: newbie help / software repair * My laptop won't dual boot * The dog ate my video card * My Perl script has a bug Some experienced Linuxers should be on hand, so if you have a particularly curly question please drop in. Stream 3: BoF / socializing Feel free to gather with like-minded souls to mull over a topic of your own choosing. -Martin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz Sun Feb 1 18:57:26 2009 From: nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz (Glen Ogilvie) Date: Sun Feb 1 18:57:46 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] spare computer bits Message-ID: <200902011857.29529.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> Hi, I've got a few components I don't need anymore, but am reluctant to just throw them away. If anyone has a use for the following, send me an email, and you can have them. 1. Full ATX tower case. I'll include the 300 watt power supply if wanted. It looks like http://img.hexus.net/v2/cases/aopen/hx08/hx08.gif 2. abit bp6 motherboard, suspected fault. works some of the time. This has two 600 Mhz celeron CPU's on it, and some SD ram. 3. Matrox G400 Max dual head video card with 32MB Ram. This was the best 2D video card you could get for quite some time, but 3D performance ain't good. 4. 3.5 inch floppy drive. 5. cdrom reader. Regards Glen Ogilvie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/aucklug/attachments/20090201/659fd054/attachment.pgp From pieter at insync.za.net Sun Feb 1 19:07:44 2009 From: pieter at insync.za.net (Pieter De Wit) Date: Sun Feb 1 19:08:31 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] spare computer bits In-Reply-To: <200902011857.29529.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> References: <200902011857.29529.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> Message-ID: <49853C30.1020106@insync.za.net> Hi Glen, Have you had any offers for the Motherboard and the gfx ? Thanks, Pieter Glen Ogilvie wrote: > Hi, > > I've got a few components I don't need anymore, but am reluctant to just throw > them away. If anyone has a use for the following, send me an email, and you > can have them. > > 1. Full ATX tower case. I'll include the 300 watt power supply if wanted. > It looks like http://img.hexus.net/v2/cases/aopen/hx08/hx08.gif > > 2. abit bp6 motherboard, suspected fault. works some of the time. This has > two 600 Mhz celeron CPU's on it, and some SD ram. > > 3. Matrox G400 Max dual head video card with 32MB Ram. This was the best 2D > video card you could get for quite some time, but 3D performance ain't good. > > 4. 3.5 inch floppy drive. > > 5. cdrom reader. > > Regards > Glen Ogilvie > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From daniel.jrm at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 19:23:25 2009 From: daniel.jrm at gmail.com (Daniel Mason) Date: Sun Feb 1 19:23:38 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] spare computer bits In-Reply-To: <49853C30.1020106@insync.za.net> References: <200902011857.29529.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> <49853C30.1020106@insync.za.net> Message-ID: I could use the Tower =] Thanks, Daniel On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Pieter De Wit wrote: > Hi Glen, > > Have you had any offers for the Motherboard and the gfx ? > > Thanks, > > Pieter > > Glen Ogilvie wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I've got a few components I don't need anymore, but am reluctant to just >> throw them away. If anyone has a use for the following, send me an email, >> and you can have them. >> >> 1. Full ATX tower case. I'll include the 300 watt power supply if >> wanted. >> It looks like http://img.hexus.net/v2/cases/aopen/hx08/hx08.gif >> >> 2. abit bp6 motherboard, suspected fault. works some of the time. This >> has two 600 Mhz celeron CPU's on it, and some SD ram. >> >> 3. Matrox G400 Max dual head video card with 32MB Ram. This was the best >> 2D video card you could get for quite some time, but 3D performance ain't >> good. >> 4. 3.5 inch floppy drive. >> >> 5. cdrom reader. >> >> Regards >> Glen Ogilvie >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Daniel Mason From blakjak at blakjak.net Sun Feb 1 19:29:56 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Sun Feb 1 19:30:28 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] spare computer bits In-Reply-To: References: <200902011857.29529.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> <49853C30.1020106@insync.za.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Feb 2009, Daniel Mason wrote: > I could use the Tower =] > Thanks, > Daniel > Guys Could we confine the responses to off-list? Cheers Mark. From steven at openmedia.co.nz Sun Feb 1 19:51:34 2009 From: steven at openmedia.co.nz (Steven Ellis) Date: Sun Feb 1 19:51:47 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Auckland Linux Users' Group monthly meeting reminder: Monday 6:30 pm at 16 Viaduct Harbour Ave In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49854676.6060708@openmedia.co.nz> Martin Kealey wrote: > What: the Auckland Linux Users' Group's monthly meeting (for February) > > When: 6:30 pm on the first working Monday of each month > (which is to say, tomorrow) > > Where: Ground level of "V.nue" (the Vodafone building) 16 Viaduct Harbour Ave > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Auckland Linux Users' Group monthly meeting > > Questions, comments and comparisons are encouraged (as always). > > There are three rooms available, so we can have multiple streams. > > Stream 1: presentation > > "What I did at NZNOG" - contributions from various speakers on several > topics including: > > (1) IPv6 - the good, the bad, and the ugly > (2) Virtualization - hypervisor vs emulation and other stuff > > Stream 2: newbie help / software repair > > * My laptop won't dual boot > * The dog ate my video card > * My Perl script has a bug > > Some experienced Linuxers should be on hand, so if you have a particularly > curly question please drop in. > > Stream 3: BoF / socializing > > Feel free to gather with like-minded souls to mull over a topic of your own > choosing. > > -Martin > > Great stuff.... I'll see you all tomorrow. From steven at openmedia.co.nz Mon Feb 2 14:17:04 2009 From: steven at openmedia.co.nz (Steven Ellis) Date: Mon Feb 2 14:17:18 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Auckland Linux Users' Group monthly - Note on Parking In-Reply-To: <49854676.6060708@openmedia.co.nz> References: <49854676.6060708@openmedia.co.nz> Message-ID: <37575.60.234.49.2.1233537424.squirrel@webmail.stevencherie.net> FYI for anyone going tonight and needs to park. After 6pm there should be parking alongside Victoria Park on Halsey St, as well as parking on Gaunt street. Steve From akean at clear.net.nz Mon Feb 2 14:50:34 2009 From: akean at clear.net.nz (anita kean) Date: Mon Feb 2 14:50:43 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Auckland Linux Users' Group monthly - Note on Parking In-Reply-To: <37575.60.234.49.2.1233537424.squirrel@webmail.stevencherie.net> References: <49854676.6060708@openmedia.co.nz> <37575.60.234.49.2.1233537424.squirrel@webmail.stevencherie.net> Message-ID: <20090202015034.GA2727@clear.net.nz> On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 02:17:04PM +1300, Steven Ellis wrote: > > FYI for anyone going tonight and needs to park. After 6pm there should be > parking alongside Victoria Park on Halsey St, as well as parking on Gaunt > street. > Is there any decent (not totally prone to theft) parking for bicycles? If not, can bikes be taken into the building? Anita From sbwithers at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 21:46:08 2009 From: sbwithers at gmail.com (Steve Withers) Date: Mon Feb 2 23:58:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Auckland Linux Users' Group monthly meeting reminder: Monday 6:30 pm at 16 Viaduct Harbour Ave In-Reply-To: <49854676.6060708@openmedia.co.nz> References: <49854676.6060708@openmedia.co.nz> Message-ID: <4372ea620902020046w4646a508p9c2d24c9ead52108@mail.gmail.com> Missed another one. That will teach me for getting behind on my email. :-( Steve Withers On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Steven Ellis wrote: > Martin Kealey wrote: > > What: the Auckland Linux Users' Group's monthly meeting (for February) > > > > When: 6:30 pm on the first working Monday of each month > > (which is to say, tomorrow) > > > > Where: Ground level of "V.nue" (the Vodafone building) 16 Viaduct > Harbour Ave > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Auckland Linux Users' Group monthly meeting > > > > Questions, comments and comparisons are encouraged (as always). > > > > There are three rooms available, so we can have multiple streams. > > > > Stream 1: presentation > > > > "What I did at NZNOG" - contributions from various speakers on several > > topics including: > > > > (1) IPv6 - the good, the bad, and the ugly > > (2) Virtualization - hypervisor vs emulation and other stuff > > > > Stream 2: newbie help / software repair > > > > * My laptop won't dual boot > > * The dog ate my video card > > * My Perl script has a bug > > > > Some experienced Linuxers should be on hand, so if you have a > particularly > > curly question please drop in. > > > > Stream 3: BoF / socializing > > > > Feel free to gather with like-minded souls to mull over a topic of your > own > > choosing. > > > > -Martin > > > > > Great stuff.... I'll see you all tomorrow. > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 08:20:48 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Feb 3 08:20:57 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Auckland Linux Users' Group monthly meeting reminder: Monday 6:30 pm at 16 Viaduct Harbour Ave In-Reply-To: <4372ea620902020046w4646a508p9c2d24c9ead52108@mail.gmail.com> References: <49854676.6060708@openmedia.co.nz> <4372ea620902020046w4646a508p9c2d24c9ead52108@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Steve Withers wrote: > Missed another one. That will teach me for getting behind on my email. :-( > > Steve Withers Can we have a report on last night's meeting? Unfortunately everything was against my coming. From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Tue Feb 3 15:30:58 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Tue Feb 3 15:31:12 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Lemote Yeeloong Netbook Message-ID: <1233628258.6802.10.camel@studypad> Last night at the LUG, I mentioned a netbook that was MIPS based and used a Free bios (pretty sure it's Linuxbios), it doesn't require any proprietary software or firmware. Some people involved with http://www.gnewsense.org are working on a Debian based distro for this netbook, being gNewSense they'll have also removed any niggly non-free firmware blobs from Linux (great thing is the netbook doesn't need them). Here's a link to the netbook. http://www.lemote.com/english/yeeloong.html I've not heard anything about the quality of the netbooks yet, but if anyone is interested, I'll let you know if I find out anything. The security guard last night... Haha, I was standing there with "Joe Bloggs" on my sticker and then he started checking all our names. From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Tue Feb 3 15:46:22 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Tue Feb 3 15:46:31 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Lemote Yeeloong Netbook In-Reply-To: <1233628258.6802.10.camel@studypad> References: <1233628258.6802.10.camel@studypad> Message-ID: <1233629182.7946.0.camel@studypad> Oh, and here's some photos. http://info.ec.hc360.com/2008/10/220817108636-4.shtml From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 3 16:06:56 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Feb 3 16:07:05 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG report - unoficcial aka my 2c's worth Message-ID: <569091.13823.qm@web25406.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Went swimmingly! Lotsa folks I've never met before :) Thanks BIG-TIEM to Mark for organising the meet. Another big thanks to Steven for discussing his attendance @ Linux.conf.au, and his insights into the status-quo of media & distribution in NZ. Still find the whole issue to be totally ridiculous, but that's just me I learned quite a bit, thanks guys There was an brief outline if IPv6, what it means & how it's going to impact. More to come, I'm sure. Quite a bit of discussion went on & kept coming back to 92a. Obviously this is a subject that has a lot of folks very, very nervous, but the impression I personally got was: don't panic, excursive a bit of discretion & common sense, and try not to get caught in the big boys cross-hairs There was a request for what's to be done at the next meet. Please post your own suggestion for discussion. My own suggestions: (something a bit more hands-on) * VM's, HyperVisors, emulators : VMWare, Xen, xVM, VirtualBox, Qemu, etc * Security 101, as applied to notebooks, netbooks, smart-phones (IPTables & basic local firewalls, tor, cover-my-92a-posterior-steps, etc). Would be cool if we can get some of the guys (experts) from OWASP/NZISIG/SA on board for this (will ask around) * VoIP: Setting up & configuring Asterisk, FreeSwitch and/or TrixBox (or [you solution here]) As I've mentioned before, the WharfIT meeting have been put on hold until further notice (pending a new venue) Thanks again for a very pleasant meeting. See ya next time - Jaco From steven at openmedia.co.nz Tue Feb 3 16:14:38 2009 From: steven at openmedia.co.nz (Steven Ellis) Date: Tue Feb 3 16:14:51 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG report - unoficcial aka my 2c's worth In-Reply-To: <569091.13823.qm@web25406.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <569091.13823.qm@web25406.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45232.60.234.49.2.1233630878.squirrel@webmail.stevencherie.no-ip.org> On Tue, February 3, 2009 4:06 pm, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Went swimmingly! > Lotsa folks I've never met before :) > > Thanks BIG-TIEM to Mark for organising the meet. > Another big thanks to Steven for discussing his attendance @ > Linux.conf.au, and his insights into the status-quo of media & > distribution in NZ. Still find the whole issue to be totally ridiculous, > but that's just me > I learned quite a bit, thanks guys > > There was an brief outline if IPv6, what it means & how it's going to > impact. More to come, I'm sure. > Quite a bit of discussion went on & kept coming back to 92a. Obviously > this is a subject that has a lot of folks very, very nervous, but the > impression I personally got was: don't panic, excursive a bit of > discretion & common sense, and try not to get caught in the big boys > cross-hairs > > There was a request for what's to be done at the next meet. Please post > your own suggestion for discussion. > My own suggestions: (something a bit more hands-on) > * VM's, HyperVisors, emulators : VMWare, Xen, xVM, VirtualBox, Qemu, etc I'm up for that > * Security 101, as applied to notebooks, netbooks, smart-phones (IPTables > & basic local firewalls, tor, cover-my-92a-posterior-steps, etc). Would be > cool if we can get some of the guys (experts) from OWASP/NZISIG/SA on > board for this (will ask around) > * VoIP: Setting up & configuring Asterisk, FreeSwitch and/or TrixBox (or > [you solution here]) There was a good Asterisk session at LCA which might be worth grabbing the video of. * Hardware Hacking - any cool hardware that you have been playing with. I've been patching serial consoles into wireless routers to play with OpenWRT etc. -------------------------------------------- Steven Ellis - Technical Director OpenMedia Limited - The Home of myPVR email - steven@openmedia.co.nz website - http://www.openmedia.co.nz From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Feb 3 16:15:03 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Feb 3 16:15:23 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG report - unoficcial aka my 2c's worth In-Reply-To: <569091.13823.qm@web25406.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <569091.13823.qm@web25406.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: s/Mark/Martin :-) On Tue, 3 Feb 2009, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Went swimmingly! Lotsa folks I've never met before :) Thanks BIG-TIEM to Mark for organising the meet. Another big thanks to Steven for discussing his attendance @ Linux.conf.au, and his insights into the status-quo of media & distribution in NZ. Still find the whole issue to be totally ridiculous, but that's just me I learned quite a bit, thanks guys There was an brief outline if IPv6, what it means & how it's going to impact. More to come, I'm sure. Quite a bit of discussion went on & kept coming back to 92a. Obviously this is a subject that has a lot of folks very, very nervous, but the impression I personally got was: don't panic, excursive a bit of discretion & common sense, and try not to get caught in the big boys cross-hairs There was a request for what's to be done at the next meet. Please post your own suggestion for discussion. My own suggestions: (something a bit more hands-on) * VM's, HyperVisors, emulators : VMWare, Xen, xVM, VirtualBox, Qemu, etc * Security 101, as applied to notebooks, netbooks, smart-phones (IPTables & basic local firewalls, tor, cover-my-92a-posterior-steps, etc). Would be cool if we can get some of the guys (experts) from OWASP/NZISIG/SA on board for this (will ask around) * VoIP: Setting up & configuring Asterisk, FreeSwitch and/or TrixBox (or [you solution here]) As I've mentioned before, the WharfIT meeting have been put on hold until further notice (pending a new venue) Thanks again for a very pleasant meeting. See ya next time - Jaco > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 3 17:10:40 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Feb 3 17:10:47 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] correction Message-ID: <374140.66277.qm@web25401.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Oops! Thanks for that correction, Mark. I meant Martin (sorry Martin) Steven: OpenWRT YEA! I like! Though my personal preference is DD-WRT (slightly more user-friendly/intuitive), but this'll fit right in with the IPv6 & Security/Firewall discussion. I'll speak to a mate that has a whole box of Linksys WRT54G/WRT54GL units, and see if he's willing to sell a few (will request some numbers from the group once I've got confirmation he's keen) (P.S. Steven: have you had any luck flashing a WAG54GP2?) From steven at openmedia.co.nz Tue Feb 3 17:22:13 2009 From: steven at openmedia.co.nz (Steven Ellis) Date: Tue Feb 3 17:22:28 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] correction In-Reply-To: <374140.66277.qm@web25401.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <374140.66277.qm@web25401.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60120.60.234.49.2.1233634933.squirrel@webmail.stevencherie.net> On Tue, February 3, 2009 5:10 pm, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Oops! > > Thanks for that correction, Mark. > I meant Martin (sorry Martin) > > Steven: OpenWRT I'm playing with openwrt, dd-wrt and a routertech firmware > YEA! I like! > Though my personal preference is DD-WRT (slightly more > user-friendly/intuitive), but this'll fit right in with the IPv6 & > Security/Firewall discussion. > I'll speak to a mate that has a whole box of Linksys WRT54G/WRT54GL units, > and see if he's willing to sell a few (will request some numbers from the > group once I've got confirmation he's keen) I'd be interested > (P.S. Steven: have you had any luck flashing a WAG54GP2?) Is this an AR7 based device? I have an Asus ADSL router that is based on the AR7 platform that Kamikaze 8.09RC2 works on Steve -------------------------------------------- Steven Ellis - Technical Director OpenMedia Limited - The Home of myPVR email - steven@openmedia.co.nz website - http://www.openmedia.co.nz From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 18:37:53 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Feb 3 18:38:10 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Further meeting details.... Message-ID: Did anyone go to the 2nd stream? Did the 2nd stream happen? How did it go? Oh and my own thanks to Martin for including it in the meet. I know I only mentioned it a wee while ago - it was incredibly surprising and pleasant seeing it being accommodated for. Hopefully it has 2 big advantages. New speakers might not be so intimidated in front of newer Linux users and might then gain the confidence to speak on more technical subjects within the 1st stream. New users may find more motivation to attend meetings if the subject matters aren't of too technical a nature until they become more proficient with Linux and move into the 1st stream. Regards, Nevyn. From renedox at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 21:30:38 2009 From: renedox at gmail.com (Cheng Eu Chew) Date: Tue Feb 3 21:30:47 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Lemote Yeeloong Netbook In-Reply-To: <1233628258.6802.10.camel@studypad> References: <1233628258.6802.10.camel@studypad> Message-ID: It does look pretty good and I'd probably be interested if the price is reasonable. As for the security guard... it was just amusing to see him try stifle his laugh when he saw my name tag read "I P Freely" >_<" 2009/2/3 Josh Martens : > Last night at the LUG, I mentioned a netbook that was MIPS based and > used a Free bios (pretty sure it's Linuxbios), it doesn't require any > proprietary software or firmware. > > Some people involved with http://www.gnewsense.org are working on a > Debian based distro for this netbook, being gNewSense they'll have also > removed any niggly non-free firmware blobs from Linux (great thing is > the netbook doesn't need them). > > Here's a link to the netbook. > http://www.lemote.com/english/yeeloong.html > > I've not heard anything about the quality of the netbooks yet, but if > anyone is interested, I'll let you know if I find out anything. > > The security guard last night... Haha, I was standing there with "Joe > Bloggs" on my sticker and then he started checking all our names. > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Cheng Eu Chew _________________________________________________ Email : renedox@gmail.com Mobile : +64 21 810098 From akean at clear.net.nz Tue Feb 3 23:16:51 2009 From: akean at clear.net.nz (anita kean) Date: Tue Feb 3 23:17:00 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Further meeting details.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090203101651.GA12441@clear.net.nz> On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 06:37:53PM +1300, Nevyn wrote: > Did anyone go to the 2nd stream? Did the 2nd stream happen? How did it go? > > Oh and my own thanks to Martin for including it in the meet. I know I > only mentioned it a wee while ago - it was incredibly surprising and > pleasant seeing it being accommodated for. Hopefully it has 2 big > advantages. New speakers might not be so intimidated in front of newer > Linux users and might then gain the confidence to speak on more > technical subjects within the 1st stream. New users may find more > motivation to attend meetings if the subject matters aren't of too > technical a nature until they become more proficient with Linux and > move into the 1st stream. This is something I'd like to see grow too - but although I'd like to help out, the topics announced for the just-gone meeting aren't my strengths: > Stream 2: newbie help / software repair > > * My laptop won't dual boot > * The dog ate my video card > * My Perl script has a bug I switched awway from Perl a while ago, video cards aren't my fort?, and my laptop won't dual boot anymore either but I stopped caring some time ago. So I could hardly volunteer to field those questions this month. And I had to look up google to find out what the first stream was discussing (NZNOG) -- so clearly that wasn't for me either. Perhaps we could announce a slightly wider agenda next time -- after all people aren't likely to come for help a first time if their problem's not covered by the range of help we propose to offer -- and announce it a little more in advance to give folks a chance to plan to go - like three working days in advance? This might allow more of us to participate too. Anita From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Feb 4 10:04:13 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Feb 4 10:04:32 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting deviation Message-ID: <931161.99182.qm@web25403.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Anita, Thanks for the info. AFAIK, the posted points are more guidelines & suggested topics, and thus far, every meeting I've attended has deviated from the said guidelines to greater or lesser extent (I've yet to meet a GPU-chomping mutt). Unless there are speakers that have actually prepared a presentation (and actually have the nerve to stand up in front of the group), I doubt that anyone would be adverse to the notion of just chatting & kicking a few ideas & advise around. Participation from all levels are valuable; from the guru's, to the complete noobs, and I suspect it would scare off those who may be curious or only have a casual interest if these gatherings are too formal (even some of those who's interest is not merely casual) - Jaco From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 10:40:34 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Feb 4 10:41:01 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Further meeting details.... In-Reply-To: <20090203101651.GA12441@clear.net.nz> References: <20090203101651.GA12441@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:16 PM, anita kean wrote: > On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 06:37:53PM +1300, Nevyn wrote: >> Did anyone go to the 2nd stream? Did the 2nd stream happen? How did it go? >> >> Oh and my own thanks to Martin for including it in the meet. I know I >> only mentioned it a wee while ago - it was incredibly surprising and >> pleasant seeing it being accommodated for. Hopefully it has 2 big >> advantages. New speakers might not be so intimidated in front of newer >> Linux users and might then gain the confidence to speak on more >> technical subjects within the 1st stream. New users may find more >> motivation to attend meetings if the subject matters aren't of too >> technical a nature until they become more proficient with Linux and >> move into the 1st stream. > > This is something I'd like to see grow too - > but although I'd like to help out, the topics announced for the > just-gone meeting aren't my strengths: >> Stream 2: newbie help / software repair >> >> * My laptop won't dual boot >> * The dog ate my video card >> * My Perl script has a bug > > I switched awway from Perl a while ago, video cards aren't my fort?, > and my laptop won't dual boot anymore either but I stopped > caring some time ago. > So I could hardly volunteer to field those questions this month. > > And I had to look up google to find out what the first stream > was discussing (NZNOG) -- so clearly that wasn't for me either. > > Perhaps we could announce a slightly wider agenda next > time -- after all people aren't likely to come for help > a first time if their problem's not covered by the range > of help we propose to offer -- and announce it a little more > in advance to give folks a chance to plan to go - like three working > days in advance? > This might allow more of us to participate too. > > Anita I'm wondering if it may be worthwhile, for the next meeting, to have sort of a round room discussion. Go around the room, discuss your reasons for getting into Linux and what you'd like to gain from Linux. I think this may give us more of an idea of where everyone is at and where they'd like to be. No expertise needed. I think we're going to be struggling on the expertise bit for a wee bit until we decide exactly what we want from these meetings. If it's just a general sit around sorting out problems, then there's little we can do at a meeting that we can't do on this list, unless there's a laptop involved or people don't mind lugging their computers around. So we may be looking at workshops/demonstrations which cover topics like setting up dial-up modems (uck! - although I can definitely see why people are still on dial up) or getting useful information about the status of a hard drive (I only mention this because I've got a dead/dying hard drive which I'm now wondering if the freezer trick might work) or setting up a system's mta (forwarding system messages to an email address), some of the politics and opposing points of views behind opensource/Free (Mint Linux vs. Ubuntu) etc. Not especially technical but things that people need to know sooner or later. Regards, Nevyn. p.s. Video cards in Linux - there isn't too much to know from the user end is there? configuring the framebuffer device makes things a lot prettier but using the vga frame buffer driver normally works, and then there's X which "X --configure" usually does a workable job of things if you're sick and tired of looking at a configuration that completely relies on auto detection (I'm sure this is going to become more of an issue for me in the future). From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Feb 4 11:11:31 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Feb 4 11:11:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Further meeting details.... In-Reply-To: References: <20090203101651.GA12441@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <51396.119.15.0.26.1233699091.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> >> Perhaps we could announce a slightly wider agenda next >> time -- after all people aren't likely to come for help >> a first time if their problem's not covered by the range >> of help we propose to offer -- and announce it a little more >> in advance to give folks a chance to plan to go - like three working >> days in advance? >> This might allow more of us to participate too. >> >> Anita > > I'm wondering if it may be worthwhile, for the next meeting, to have > sort of a round room discussion. Go around the room, discuss your > reasons for getting into Linux and what you'd like to gain from Linux. > I think this may give us more of an idea of where everyone is at and > where they'd like to be. Guys, guys guys... I'm suprised everyones being so granular about this. It doesnt matter what the programmed / advertised subject materials are on any given LUG night. It's about getting together with people of a similar-minded bent. I used to attend LUG's on a monthly basis whether the advertised subject matter was up my alley directly or not. It was an excuse to catch up with people I wouldnt otherwise meet with and take the chance to bring up some of my own items of interest during the social phases of the evening. At the same time I got exposed to a bunch of stuff I might not have otherwise seen if i'd confined my attendance to just those nights offering subject matter of my direct perceived interest. > No expertise needed. I think we're going to be struggling on the > expertise bit for a wee bit until we decide exactly what we want from > these meetings. If it's just a general sit around sorting out > problems, then there's little we can do at a meeting that we can't do > on this list, unless there's a laptop involved or people don't mind > lugging their computers around. The LUG meeting can be as structured or as non-structured as is desired. People shouldnt feel limited just because a speaker has been nominated on a given subject... you'll either sit in and learn something, or break out and do something else.. (the idea of the breakout rooms is a good one). I'm suprised at the apparent rigidity being perceived here... Mark. From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 12:47:25 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Feb 4 12:47:35 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Further meeting details.... In-Reply-To: <51396.119.15.0.26.1233699091.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> References: <20090203101651.GA12441@clear.net.nz> <51396.119.15.0.26.1233699091.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Mark Foster wrote: >>> Perhaps we could announce a slightly wider agenda next >>> time -- after all people aren't likely to come for help >>> a first time if their problem's not covered by the range >>> of help we propose to offer -- and announce it a little more >>> in advance to give folks a chance to plan to go - like three working >>> days in advance? >>> This might allow more of us to participate too. >>> >>> Anita >> >> I'm wondering if it may be worthwhile, for the next meeting, to have >> sort of a round room discussion. Go around the room, discuss your >> reasons for getting into Linux and what you'd like to gain from Linux. >> I think this may give us more of an idea of where everyone is at and >> where they'd like to be. > > Guys, guys guys... > I'm suprised everyones being so granular about this. > It doesnt matter what the programmed / advertised subject materials are on > any given LUG night. It's about getting together with people of a > similar-minded bent. > > I used to attend LUG's on a monthly basis whether the advertised subject > matter was up my alley directly or not. It was an excuse to catch up with > people I wouldnt otherwise meet with and take the chance to bring up some > of my own items of interest during the social phases of the evening. At > the same time I got exposed to a bunch of stuff I might not have otherwise > seen if i'd confined my attendance to just those nights offering subject > matter of my direct perceived interest. I have to disagree on this point completely. You can not expect people to turn up if they either don't know what they're turning up to or aren't terribly interested in the subject matter that has been prescribe. If you don't know anyone in the community, then turning up to a presentation that bores you or not knowing what you're in for, only to be awkward in a social setting afterwards before deciding that the whole thing was a complete waste of time is exactly that. A complete waste of time. People go away from meetings with a bad impression of them. I know when I was attending the ones at New Call Tower which Scott was arranging, I always made my decision to attend based upon the subject matter. To this day, I am not one of the social crowd at meets - instead being one of those who favours walls and tends to be quiet and awkward - although that's hard to say given that I haven't attended one since the social meet and greet at the Clare Inn. If we're expecting people to just turn up because we say so......... >> No expertise needed. I think we're going to be struggling on the >> expertise bit for a wee bit until we decide exactly what we want from >> these meetings. If it's just a general sit around sorting out >> problems, then there's little we can do at a meeting that we can't do >> on this list, unless there's a laptop involved or people don't mind >> lugging their computers around. > > The LUG meeting can be as structured or as non-structured as is desired. > People shouldnt feel limited just because a speaker has been nominated on > a given subject... you'll either sit in and learn something, or break out > and do something else.. (the idea of the breakout rooms is a good one). > > I'm suprised at the apparent rigidity being perceived here... > > Mark. Yes. But people need to know that they're coming for something. If we just say we'll figure it out when you all get here, then changes are we're going to end up with a room of people staring at each other. What I'm basically putting across is, that people should have an expectation of these meetings and the expectation they can reasonably assume should be based upon information received by the organisers. If I advertised a concert as a concert, and people got there and it was a bluegrass concert and didn't realise it was a bluegrass concert so feel that they've wasted their time, then I've failed them by not advertising the event for what it is properly. It's not rigid - it's well organised. Imagine if we decided to be less rigid with say .... dates, times and venues only really making up our minds an hour before the actual meeting. No one would turn up. There would be absolutely no debate as to where the fault lay and no one would be calling it "rigid" or "anal" for it being organised. Regards, Nevyn. From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Feb 4 16:50:48 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Feb 4 16:50:56 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Further meeting details.... In-Reply-To: References: <20090203101651.GA12441@clear.net.nz> <51396.119.15.0.26.1233699091.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Message-ID: <22109.119.15.0.26.1233719448.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> On Wed, February 4, 2009 12:47 pm, Nevyn wrote: > > I have to disagree on this point completely. You can not expect people > to turn up if they either don't know what they're turning up to or > aren't terribly interested in the subject matter that has been > prescribe. If you don't know anyone in the community, then turning up > to a presentation that bores you or not knowing what you're in for, > only to be awkward in a social setting afterwards before deciding that > the whole thing was a complete waste of time is exactly that. A > complete waste of time. People go away from meetings with a bad Sorry I disagree. That's almost exactly the basis under which I attended my first NZLUG meeting in Auckland; I turned up without really knowing anyone except through some correspondence on the mailing list, and was pretty much an 'utter newb' (and in many respects not alot has changed.) I learnt an awful lot of interesting stuff from sitting in on discussions regarding matters that were I cold-approached, I would probably have dismissed as irrelevant to my personal interests at the time. > impression of them. I know when I was attending the ones at New Call > Tower which Scott was arranging, I always made my decision to attend > based upon the subject matter. To this day, I am not one of the social > crowd at meets - instead being one of those who favours walls and > tends to be quiet and awkward - although that's hard to say given that > I haven't attended one since the social meet and greet at the Clare > Inn. Thats your position Nevyn and I dare say that there are others like you - but not everyone is like that either. Theres a reason that subject matter is promulgated prior to the meeting - to cater for people just like you and to help those that are coming be prepared for what's going on... etc... > > If we're expecting people to just turn up because we say so......... It's an open invitation to mingle with people of a similar bent, which may not be the case within other social or professional circles. >> I'm suprised at the apparent rigidity being perceived here... >> >> Mark. > > Yes. But people need to know that they're coming for something. If we > just say we'll figure it out when you all get here, then changes are > we're going to end up with a room of people staring at each other. Note that's not what I'm suggesting per se. I still agree with an agreed upon programme (even if it's as simple as 'here's tonights subject matter, starting at x time, for approx x long, followed by some mingling and coffee/tea/bikkies, for an approx wrap-up time of x.) > What I'm basically putting across is, that people should have an > expectation of these meetings and the expectation they can reasonably > assume should be based upon information received by the organisers. > It's a social night not a training seminar. I think if the LUG starts trying to rig up expectations in too rigid a manner, it'll fall on it's face. At least thats my view personally. > If I advertised a concert as a concert, and people got there and it > was a bluegrass concert and didn't realise it was a bluegrass concert > so feel that they've wasted their time, then I've failed them by not > advertising the event for what it is properly. With respect, that's a silly example. I'm not suggesting that meetings s hould be 100% adlibbed, i'm suggesting some sort of happy medium is probably appropriate. > > It's not rigid - it's well organised. Imagine if we decided to be less > rigid with say .... dates, times and venues only really making up our > minds an hour before the actual meeting. No one would turn up. There > would be absolutely no debate as to where the fault lay and no one > would be calling it "rigid" or "anal" for it being organised. > Again a bit of silly example there. Agreeting to a date, time and meeting place is pretty obvious. Agreeing to discuss subject X is probably also appropriate. I do endorse perhaps getting the information out a little earlier (perhaps a week or two before the scheduled date) but I urge caution at enforcing anything too rigid. People should be prepared for a little bit of flexibility (and feel free to bring-your-own-question/issue/etc).... we want to be supportive of the Linux community. There's a risk that by locking into an agenda, you'll overlook subsets of technology... Mark. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Feb 4 16:58:02 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Feb 4 16:58:09 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu made the NYT! Message-ID: <165838.89876.qm@web25401.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/business/11ubuntu.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all Go-go-go Mark! From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Feb 4 17:53:33 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Feb 4 17:53:44 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu made the NYT! In-Reply-To: <165838.89876.qm@web25401.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <165838.89876.qm@web25401.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <25446.119.15.0.26.1233723213.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> On Wed, February 4, 2009 4:58 pm, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/business/11ubuntu.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all > > Go-go-go Mark! > > Almost a month ago. For a minute there I thought you were talking about something new ;-) From renedox at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 20:48:13 2009 From: renedox at gmail.com (Cheng Eu Chew) Date: Wed Feb 4 20:48:21 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Folders belonging to no one... Message-ID: Hi guys, I had my hard drive crash because of power problems months ago. Now, it is sitting in a hard drive enclosure so that I can try recover some of the files. Problem is, I get the following: http://aqs.co.nz/~chengeu/temp/Screenshot-cheng@renedox:%20-media-_home-cheng.png Don't really know much about data recovery so wondering if there is any way of copying what is inside those folders? -- Cheng Eu Chew _________________________________________________ Email : renedox@gmail.com Mobile : +64 21 810098 From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 20:56:07 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Feb 4 20:56:15 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Further meeting details.... In-Reply-To: <22109.119.15.0.26.1233719448.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> References: <20090203101651.GA12441@clear.net.nz> <51396.119.15.0.26.1233699091.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <22109.119.15.0.26.1233719448.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Mark Foster wrote: >> >> It's not rigid - it's well organised. Imagine if we decided to be less >> rigid with say .... dates, times and venues only really making up our >> minds an hour before the actual meeting. No one would turn up. There >> would be absolutely no debate as to where the fault lay and no one >> would be calling it "rigid" or "anal" for it being organised. >> > > Again a bit of silly example there. > Agreeting to a date, time and meeting place is pretty obvious. > Agreeing to discuss subject X is probably also appropriate. > > I do endorse perhaps getting the information out a little earlier (perhaps > a week or two before the scheduled date) but I urge caution at enforcing > anything too rigid. > People should be prepared for a little bit of flexibility (and feel free > to bring-your-own-question/issue/etc).... we want to be supportive of the > Linux community. There's a risk that by locking into an agenda, you'll > overlook subsets of technology... > > Mark. Mark, as I remember, you were into amateur radio, worked at Dick Smiths, ran (or helped in the running of) an IRC channel. You are a technically minded individual. I'm asking you to look outside this and acknowledge the fact that we have a completely different class of user. We aren't talking about either you or me here - or perhaps we're talking about both. Me representing an awkward shy person, you being the sort who apparently will turn up to a meeting and dive straight into whatever subject is being spoken about. The silly examples above were meant to illustrate just how silly calling a bit of organisation "rigid" was. As organisers, we have a responsibility. What happens on the night may be completely different from what has been discussed before hand but that's the night. There is absolutely no reason why ideas can't be thrown around before a meeting. I know you weren't keen on the idea of a 2nd stream at the meetings and I get the impression you're still not happy with it. It's early days yet and it's something new. Discussion around it should be encouraged. If however, the only reason you've asked me to be an organiser is because you thought that I would just keep status quo and not attempt to change a thing, you were sorely mistaken and I will gladly give up the title. If this is the attitude of the LUG in general, I will withdraw from it. I see no value in belonging to a group if the group in question are unwilling to try to accommodate their users. Regards, Nevyn. From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Feb 4 21:59:15 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Feb 4 21:59:23 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Further meeting details.... In-Reply-To: References: <20090203101651.GA12441@clear.net.nz> <51396.119.15.0.26.1233699091.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <22109.119.15.0.26.1233719448.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Message-ID: Nevyn, I get the impression you have completely gotten the wrong idea so i'm not even going to try to respond to the points you made. I've said my bit, others including you are entitled to disagree. Perhaps its time that others weighed in. It's less relevant for me these days after all. Mark. From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Wed Feb 4 22:29:36 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Wed Feb 4 22:29:45 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Folders belonging to no one... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1233739776.6546.0.camel@studypad> On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 20:48 +1300, Cheng Eu Chew wrote: > Hi guys, > > I had my hard drive crash because of power problems months ago. Now, > it is sitting in a hard drive enclosure so that I can try recover some > of the files. Problem is, I get the following: > http://aqs.co.nz/~chengeu/temp/Screenshot-cheng@renedox:%20-media-_home-cheng.png > > Don't really know much about data recovery so wondering if there is > any way of copying what is inside those folders? > Try setting an owner for them. sudo chown renedox:renedox /folder/name From Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz Wed Feb 4 22:37:59 2009 From: Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz (Chilling_Silence) Date: Wed Feb 4 22:38:06 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Further meeting details.... In-Reply-To: References: <20090203101651.GA12441@clear.net.nz> <51396.119.15.0.26.1233699091.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <22109.119.15.0.26.1233719448.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Message-ID: <2987f0d40902040137j8feb09ap2cadd1f61f138926@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Nevyn wrote: > If this is the attitude of the LUG in > general, I will withdraw from it. I see no value in belonging to a > group if the group in question are unwilling to try to accommodate > their users. This all reminds me of Andreas a few years ago .... ;) From steven at openmedia.co.nz Wed Feb 4 22:44:29 2009 From: steven at openmedia.co.nz (Steven Ellis) Date: Wed Feb 4 22:44:46 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Further meeting details.... In-Reply-To: References: <20090203101651.GA12441@clear.net.nz> <51396.119.15.0.26.1233699091.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <22109.119.15.0.26.1233719448.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Message-ID: <4989637D.7090602@openmedia.co.nz> Mark Foster wrote: > Nevyn, > > I get the impression you have completely gotten the wrong idea so i'm > not even going to try to respond to the points you made. > > I've said my bit, others including you are entitled to disagree. > > Perhaps its time that others weighed in. It's less relevant for me > these days after all. > I've attended numerous Auck Lugs regardless of content just as a chance to chat and meet with like minded people. The open forums we had during this months session were excellent as a lot of people got involved in the discussion. A rough idea of the topic announced well in advance is good, but more importantly is knowing where and when the session will be. This tends to mean a higher attendance regardless of topic. If we start that bit earlier then we have plenty of time for hacking/fixing/discussing as well as having a focus talk. Remember that everyone is open to suggestions for meetings as it is often hard to come up with a speaker or topic. I know a number of LUG speakers who knew little or nothing about their subject matter before putting their hands up for a talk, and used it as an excuse to learn something new. There might be someone in the room who knows a little more that you can learn from. I've had the honour to speak at a number of major conferences, and at each of those I've been corrected, or had the chance to learn something new. I consider this valuable as I'm here to learn as much as everyone else. If you haven't had the chance to speak before this can be very hard, but events like LUGs and BarCamps are the best opportunity to try out your speaking skills in a friendly environment. Steve From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 23:15:30 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Feb 4 23:15:37 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Further meeting details.... In-Reply-To: <2987f0d40902040137j8feb09ap2cadd1f61f138926@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090203101651.GA12441@clear.net.nz> <51396.119.15.0.26.1233699091.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <22109.119.15.0.26.1233719448.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <2987f0d40902040137j8feb09ap2cadd1f61f138926@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Chilling_Silence wrote: > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Nevyn wrote: > >> If this is the attitude of the LUG in >> general, I will withdraw from it. I see no value in belonging to a >> group if the group in question are unwilling to try to accommodate >> their users. > > > This all reminds me of Andreas a few years ago .... > > > ;) Oh I'm itching to get into that one :p Reason's that this is not at all like Andreas: 1. I am not pushing one way and only one way (or distribution) 2. I am not threatening to start my own group (or installfest) 3. I'm much better looking (debatable but I am pretty damn cute) From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 23:50:29 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Feb 4 23:50:44 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Further meeting details.... In-Reply-To: <4989637D.7090602@openmedia.co.nz> References: <20090203101651.GA12441@clear.net.nz> <51396.119.15.0.26.1233699091.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <22109.119.15.0.26.1233719448.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <4989637D.7090602@openmedia.co.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Steven Ellis wrote: > Mark Foster wrote: >> Nevyn, >> >> I get the impression you have completely gotten the wrong idea so i'm >> not even going to try to respond to the points you made. >> >> I've said my bit, others including you are entitled to disagree. >> >> Perhaps its time that others weighed in. It's less relevant for me >> these days after all. >> > I've attended numerous Auck Lugs regardless of content just as a chance > to chat and meet with like minded people. > > The open forums we had during this months session were excellent as a > lot of people got involved in the discussion. > > A rough idea of the topic announced well in advance is good, but more > importantly is knowing where and when the session will be. This tends to > mean a higher attendance regardless of topic. If we start that bit > earlier then we have plenty of time for hacking/fixing/discussing as > well as having a focus talk. > > Remember that everyone is open to suggestions for meetings as it is > often hard to come up with a speaker or topic. I know a number of LUG > speakers who knew little or nothing about their subject matter before > putting their hands up for a talk, and used it as an excuse to learn > something new. There might be someone in the room who knows a little > more that you can learn from. > > I've had the honour to speak at a number of major conferences, and at > each of those I've been corrected, or had the chance to learn something > new. I consider this valuable as I'm here to learn as much as everyone > else. If you haven't had the chance to speak before this can be very > hard, but events like LUGs and BarCamps are the best opportunity to try > out your speaking skills in a friendly environment. > > Steve And this is much what I'm getting at except that I don't feel we cater to the newer members of the AuckLUG so well. I watched as eyes glazed over at the pub meeting when the topic of security came up. Not a difficult topic to understand but unless you've had a bit of exposure to SQL injections and php vulnerabilities and all those other security issues which you probably wouldn't have come across unless you've had some development experience, you'd be completely in the dark. So what we're really looking at is the desktop user, who just wants things to go, and the technical user who may be using Linux as a development platform. Mint Linux vs. Ubuntu. I don't think turning our backs on what probably constitutes around 10% of the user base here is a fair thing to do. In the last year I've probably helped 4 or 5 people from here offlist with issues ranging from getting a piece of hardware working to getting a piece of software working to finding the right piece of software for particular tasks to managing a raid array to configuring an UPS. All new users who decided to give it a go. Ask anyone of them what an SQL injection is and I bet you'd get blank stares all round. These are the same people who would turn up to a meeting, feel completely lost with the discussion, attempt to get into a discussion during the social portion, find that the topics being discussed are still too technical for them to understand, and eventually leave in frustration. I'm sorry if I'm alone here, but I believe this to be an opportunity to broaden the community and learn off these people. We're often so far in technical land, it's really hard to see exactly what the new user would like to see or the experience they want from their desktop. Regards, Nevyn. From renedox at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 06:04:55 2009 From: renedox at gmail.com (Cheng Eu Chew) Date: Thu Feb 5 06:05:07 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Folders belonging to no one... In-Reply-To: <1233739776.6546.0.camel@studypad> References: <1233739776.6546.0.camel@studypad> Message-ID: Yeah, tried that. You just get a permission denied, even as root :'( 2009/2/4 Josh Martens : > On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 20:48 +1300, Cheng Eu Chew wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> I had my hard drive crash because of power problems months ago. Now, >> it is sitting in a hard drive enclosure so that I can try recover some >> of the files. Problem is, I get the following: >> http://aqs.co.nz/~chengeu/temp/Screenshot-cheng@renedox:%20-media-_home-cheng.png >> >> Don't really know much about data recovery so wondering if there is >> any way of copying what is inside those folders? >> > > Try setting an owner for them. > > sudo chown renedox:renedox /folder/name > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Cheng Eu Chew _________________________________________________ Email : renedox@gmail.com Mobile : +64 21 810098 From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 06:08:49 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Feb 5 06:08:57 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Folders belonging to no one... In-Reply-To: References: <1233739776.6546.0.camel@studypad> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Cheng Eu Chew wrote: > > 2009/2/4 Josh Martens : >> On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 20:48 +1300, Cheng Eu Chew wrote: >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> I had my hard drive crash because of power problems months ago. Now, >>> it is sitting in a hard drive enclosure so that I can try recover some >>> of the files. Problem is, I get the following: >>> http://aqs.co.nz/~chengeu/temp/Screenshot-cheng@renedox:%20-media-_home-cheng.png >>> >>> Don't really know much about data recovery so wondering if there is >>> any way of copying what is inside those folders? >>> >> >> Try setting an owner for them. >> >> sudo chown renedox:renedox /folder/name >> > > Yeah, tried that. You just get a permission denied, even as root :'( filesystem mounted as readonly? have you had a look a gddrescue? From blakjak at blakjak.net Thu Feb 5 07:54:17 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Thu Feb 5 07:54:29 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Further meeting details.... In-Reply-To: References: <20090203101651.GA12441@clear.net.nz> <51396.119.15.0.26.1233699091.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <22109.119.15.0.26.1233719448.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <4989637D.7090602@openmedia.co.nz> Message-ID: >> A rough idea of the topic announced well in advance is good, but more >> importantly is knowing where and when the session will be. This tends to >> mean a higher attendance regardless of topic. If we start that bit >> earlier then we have plenty of time for hacking/fixing/discussing as >> well as having a focus talk. >> >> Remember that everyone is open to suggestions for meetings as it is >> often hard to come up with a speaker or topic. I know a number of LUG >> speakers who knew little or nothing about their subject matter before >> putting their hands up for a talk, and used it as an excuse to learn >> something new. There might be someone in the room who knows a little >> more that you can learn from. >> >> I've had the honour to speak at a number of major conferences, and at >> each of those I've been corrected, or had the chance to learn something >> new. I consider this valuable as I'm here to learn as much as everyone >> else. If you haven't had the chance to speak before this can be very >> hard, but events like LUGs and BarCamps are the best opportunity to try >> out your speaking skills in a friendly environment. >> >> Steve > > And this is much what I'm getting at except that I don't feel we cater > to the newer members of the AuckLUG so well. > *snip* Despite the fact that Nevyn and I disagree from time to time, I think we both have the best interests of the LUG and the user community at heart; we've corresponded offlist and I think we do ultimately agree on that much ;) I've been around the Auckland LUG environment for many years but my voice is just one of many. I have an opinion - I will share it (those who know me wont' be suprised, heh) - and add it to the mix. What comes out in the end however is likely to be some hybrid of all the opinions aired, including but not limited to my own. My key point from last night was pretty much as summarised above - if where and when are known, and a rough idea of the subject material are also known, it gives us a starting point - but there's more than enough flexibility to allow for additional 'streams', and likewise people who're joining us for the first time shouldn't be discouraged if the meeting subject material initially indicated doesn't immediately get them interested. I have benefited from discussions on subjects that I initially thought boring as hell - they've sparked up new interests of my own - and there is _always_ the opportunity to socialise with others in the group, make new friends, 'brain-pick' and perhaps present your own problems or questions (or subject matter talks, occaisionally) to provoke new discussions. The origins in my post were to ensure that people knew that they were always welcome and should feel to be a fly-on-the-wall or to ask 'stupid' questions (which usually arent)... regardless of your experience level you should feel welcome at AuckLUG events. When I started in the LUG's I was an _utter_ newbie and to this day only have limited expertise.... I continue to learn from other LUG'rs and I just want to make sure that no doors are seen to be closed. I have full confidence in the team currently arranging AuckLUG events and will support them regardless of circumstances where we differ in opinion :o) Thanks to Martin and Nevyn for their hard work thus far, and long may it continue! :) Mark. From blakjak at blakjak.net Thu Feb 5 10:07:41 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Thu Feb 5 10:07:49 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Folders belonging to no one... In-Reply-To: References: <1233739776.6546.0.camel@studypad> Message-ID: <9653.119.15.0.26.1233781661.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Have you got the partition they're on mounted as read-only by any chance? (run 'mount' from a root prompt and check it's rw not ro) On Thu, February 5, 2009 6:04 am, Cheng Eu Chew wrote: > Yeah, tried that. You just get a permission denied, even as root :'( > > 2009/2/4 Josh Martens : >> On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 20:48 +1300, Cheng Eu Chew wrote: >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> I had my hard drive crash because of power problems months ago. Now, >>> it is sitting in a hard drive enclosure so that I can try recover some >>> of the files. Problem is, I get the following: >>> http://aqs.co.nz/~chengeu/temp/Screenshot-cheng@renedox:%20-media-_home-cheng.png >>> >>> Don't really know much about data recovery so wondering if there is >>> any way of copying what is inside those folders? >>> >> >> Try setting an owner for them. >> >> sudo chown renedox:renedox /folder/name >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > > > -- > Cheng Eu Chew > _________________________________________________ > Email : renedox@gmail.com > Mobile : +64 21 810098 > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From robin.paulson at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 10:16:09 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Thu Feb 5 10:16:42 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Further meeting details.... In-Reply-To: <4989637D.7090602@openmedia.co.nz> References: <20090203101651.GA12441@clear.net.nz> <51396.119.15.0.26.1233699091.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <22109.119.15.0.26.1233719448.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <4989637D.7090602@openmedia.co.nz> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770902041316g5eba7d50wc0736215b7e819ce@mail.gmail.com> first of all, monday was good - glad to see aucklug back on it's feet after stagnating last year i'd like to put in my views here on what we do in the monthly meetups: i see aucklug as being about sharing expertise/knowledge etc. concerning various tech-related subjects, whilst having a social element too i think it's a good idea to have some sort of planning to at least part of the meet, otherwise it has the danger of turning into a bunch of guys sat around talking and rehashing the same conversations without going anywhere - too much emphasis on the social, not enough on the sharing expertise part. i would suggest this takes the form of someone talking on some subject for which they've prepared. it doesn't have to a be an excessively formal, rigid setting to be useful; my first aucklug meet on bash consisted mainly of one person talking to us about stuff he knew in-depth, but there was plenty of involvement from everyone else, and i didn't feel like i was back in school having said that, i'm all for having a part that's less structured as well, either at the same time or afterwards (my preferred option - i don't think there are enough of us to support both concurrently). whether this is a 'get some help with whatever', or a discussion about some relevant topic like the new laws affecting ISPs, or even alternating between the two from week to week, doesn't matter - it enables people to learn about some smaller topic without requiring someone to put together a presentation and talk in front of a group. for the first part, i'd be interested in doing a presentation, either on openstreetmap.org , or on the openmoko mobile phones for the second, there are a few things i'd like to get help with, and some things i'd like to discuss in a group of similarly-minded individuals, neither of which i find mailing lists that great for cheers rob From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 5 12:19:09 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Feb 5 12:19:18 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 45, Issue 8 Message-ID: <742643.93307.qm@web25406.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> VMWare releases 1st OSS client: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/CORRECTING-and-REPLACING-bw-14239868.html From nardusg at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 12:29:54 2009 From: nardusg at gmail.com (Nardus Geldenhuys) Date: Thu Feb 5 12:30:01 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 45, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <742643.93307.qm@web25406.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <742643.93307.qm@web25406.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <778465350902041529g132e8957u625e67455edd60d@mail.gmail.com> This is nice.... But where is the Linux infrastructure client ?????? 2009/2/5 Jaco van der Merwe > VMWare releases 1st OSS client: > http://finance.yahoo.com/news/CORRECTING-and-REPLACING-bw-14239868.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From tobias.gerschner at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 14:18:33 2009 From: tobias.gerschner at gmail.com (Tobias Gerschner) Date: Thu Feb 5 14:18:43 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Folders belonging to no one... (Mark Foster) Message-ID: Hi, Before you start doing anything you should consider doing a complete copy of that hard drive using dd , provided you have the spare capacity . Then you can safely start your recovery attempts. For info on how to use dd type : info coreutils 'dd invocation' but basically it boils down to dd if=/dev/source of=/dev/target regards -- Tobias Gerschner Yoper Linux - www.yoper.com Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do. 2009/2/5 : > Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to > aucklug@linux.net.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Folders belonging to no one... (Mark Foster) > 2. Re: Further meeting details.... (Robin Paulson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:07:41 +1300 (NZDT) > From: "Mark Foster" > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Folders belonging to no one... > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Message-ID: <9653.119.15.0.26.1233781661.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Have you got the partition they're on mounted as read-only by any chance? > > (run 'mount' from a root prompt and check it's rw not ro) > > On Thu, February 5, 2009 6:04 am, Cheng Eu Chew wrote: >> Yeah, tried that. You just get a permission denied, even as root :'( >> >> 2009/2/4 Josh Martens : >>> On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 20:48 +1300, Cheng Eu Chew wrote: >>>> Hi guys, >>>> >>>> I had my hard drive crash because of power problems months ago. Now, >>>> it is sitting in a hard drive enclosure so that I can try recover some >>>> of the files. Problem is, I get the following: >>>> http://aqs.co.nz/~chengeu/temp/Screenshot-cheng@renedox:%20-media-_home-cheng.png >>>> >>>> Don't really know much about data recovery so wondering if there is >>>> any way of copying what is inside those folders? >>>> >>> >>> Try setting an owner for them. >>> >>> sudo chown renedox:renedox /folder/name >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Cheng Eu Chew >> _________________________________________________ >> Email : renedox@gmail.com >> Mobile : +64 21 810098 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:16:09 +1300 > From: Robin Paulson > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Further meeting details.... > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > <2f3aa2770902041316g5eba7d50wc0736215b7e819ce@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > first of all, monday was good - glad to see aucklug back on it's feet > after stagnating last year > > i'd like to put in my views here on what we do in the monthly meetups: > i see aucklug as being about sharing expertise/knowledge etc. > concerning various tech-related subjects, whilst having a social > element too > > i think it's a good idea to have some sort of planning to at least > part of the meet, otherwise it has the danger of turning into a bunch > of guys sat around talking and rehashing the same conversations > without going anywhere - too much emphasis on the social, not enough > on the sharing expertise part. i would suggest this takes the form of > someone talking on some subject for which they've prepared. it doesn't > have to a be an excessively formal, rigid setting to be useful; my > first aucklug meet on bash consisted mainly of one person talking to > us about stuff he knew in-depth, but there was plenty of involvement > from everyone else, and i didn't feel like i was back in school > > having said that, i'm all for having a part that's less structured as > well, either at the same time or afterwards (my preferred option - i > don't think there are enough of us to support both concurrently). > whether this is a 'get some help with whatever', or a discussion about > some relevant topic like the new laws affecting ISPs, or even > alternating between the two from week to week, doesn't matter - it > enables people to learn about some smaller topic without requiring > someone to put together a presentation and talk in front of a group. > > for the first part, i'd be interested in doing a presentation, either > on openstreetmap.org , or on the openmoko mobile phones > > for the second, there are a few things i'd like to get help with, and > some things i'd like to discuss in a group of similarly-minded > individuals, neither of which i find mailing lists that great for > > cheers > > rob > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 45, Issue 8 > ************************************** > From liz at debian.co.nz Thu Feb 5 19:50:52 2009 From: liz at debian.co.nz (Liz Quilty) Date: Thu Feb 5 19:57:12 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Thursday 12th Feb, Paul Fenwick & wife Jacinta Richardson talk at Waikato Uni SG01 Message-ID: <498A8C4C.9020006@debian.co.nz> WLUG are pleased to announce that Paul Fenwick and his wife Jacinta Richardson will both be giving talks at the Waikato Uni Who: Paul Fenwick and his wife Jacinta Richardson When: 7pm-9pm 12th Feb 2009 Where: SG01 at the Waikato University in Hamilton. http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?S (Please leave your Stargates at home, Wraiths not welcome!) What: Something Perl related (the programming languages). To be worked out and advised yet There is room for up to 80 people, so feel free to invite anyone else who may be interested. Paul Fenwick is well known for his work with perl - you can find out about him here http://pjf.id.au/ Jacinta Richardson is Pauls wife, and also winner of the 2008 White Camel award for contributions to the Perl community. Liz Quilty From lilypatch at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 20:25:35 2009 From: lilypatch at gmail.com (David Bowen) Date: Thu Feb 5 20:25:45 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Further meeting details.... Message-ID: <498A946F.4070905@gmail.com> OK I will put my 2 cents in here. The only meeting I have had time to attend was the pub meeting at the Claire Inn. I was in Thailand for a month over Christmas and have been working in catchup mode since. > A rough idea of the topic announced well in advance is good, but more > > importantly is knowing where and when the session will be. This tends to > > mean a higher attendance regardless of topic. If we start that bit > > earlier then we have plenty of time for hacking/fixing/discussing as > > well as having a focus talk. Yes, a bit more notice would be helpful, by the time I get the E-mail the meeting is over on occasion! > I watched as eyes glazed over at the pub meeting when the topic of > security came up. Not a difficult topic to understand but unless > you've had a bit of exposure to SQL injections and php vulnerabilities > and all those other security issues which you probably wouldn't have > come across unless you've had some development experience, you'd be > completely in the dark. From my point of view, yes that was somewhat above my head, however, these guys want to be able discuss things at their level as well, pick each others brains for ideas to solve there problems. It isn't just for the newbs. There has to be something in it for them to come along. That by necessity means that parts of the meetings will be of less interest for some than it will be for others. Think of it this way, a class room of school children of all different grades attending the same lesson. Parts of it will be above the young students, and old hat to the older ones. There aren't enough of us to put on separate classes. :-P I get time to read articles on various Linux topics at work, many are, in detail, above my head, but I get the general point of them and I find them interesting, hence I read them. So I guess I am saying that we need something for all levels. I haven't been to enough meeting to say if that happens unfortunately. > I'm wondering if it may be worthwhile, for the next meeting, to have > sort of a round room discussion. Go around the room, discuss your > reasons for getting into Linux and what you'd like to gain from Linux. > I think this may give us more of an idea of where everyone is at and > where they'd like to be. Yes, some ideas may come out for some topics to have talks about. If the talks aren't to long, there will be time afterwards for a bit of a workshop to help people fix there problems (or during if the people involved aren't interested in the topic) and socializing, which is one of the main points of the lug, a get together of like minded people with a common interest. and yes Jaco > IPTables & basic local firewalls, That is a topic that would interest me, how to know which ports need to be open and closed??? Anyway, getting a bit long winded so I will leave it here with just one more thing. Thanks Jaco for injecting some enthusiasm into the lug. David Bowen From renedox at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 21:51:28 2009 From: renedox at gmail.com (Cheng Eu Chew) Date: Thu Feb 5 21:54:14 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Folders belonging to no one... In-Reply-To: <9653.119.15.0.26.1233781661.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> References: <1233739776.6546.0.camel@studypad> <9653.119.15.0.26.1233781661.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Message-ID: Oh yeah I checked out the gddrescue - thanks Nevyn - but it crashed my computer... so don't think I'll be trying that one again. The hard drive isn't mounted as read only here's what the mount command shows: /dev/sdb2 on /media/_home type reiserfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) Any other ideas? Missing something really obvious? Or is the hard drive just a write off? 2009/2/5 Mark Foster : > Have you got the partition they're on mounted as read-only by any chance? > > (run 'mount' from a root prompt and check it's rw not ro) > > On Thu, February 5, 2009 6:04 am, Cheng Eu Chew wrote: >> Yeah, tried that. You just get a permission denied, even as root :'( >> >> 2009/2/4 Josh Martens : >>> On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 20:48 +1300, Cheng Eu Chew wrote: >>>> Hi guys, >>>> >>>> I had my hard drive crash because of power problems months ago. Now, >>>> it is sitting in a hard drive enclosure so that I can try recover some >>>> of the files. Problem is, I get the following: >>>> http://aqs.co.nz/~chengeu/temp/Screenshot-cheng@renedox:%20-media-_home-cheng.png >>>> >>>> Don't really know much about data recovery so wondering if there is >>>> any way of copying what is inside those folders? >>>> >>> >>> Try setting an owner for them. >>> >>> sudo chown renedox:renedox /folder/name >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Cheng Eu Chew >> _________________________________________________ >> Email : renedox@gmail.com >> Mobile : +64 21 810098 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Cheng Eu Chew _________________________________________________ Email : renedox@gmail.com Mobile : +64 21 810098 From renedox at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 21:54:28 2009 From: renedox at gmail.com (Cheng Eu Chew) Date: Thu Feb 5 21:58:42 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Folders belonging to no one... (Mark Foster) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh yeah, I don't have enough space on my hard drive to do a complete backup :'( 2009/2/5 Tobias Gerschner : > Hi, > > Before you start doing anything you should consider doing a complete > copy of that hard drive using dd , provided you have the spare > capacity . Then you can safely start your recovery attempts. > > For info on how to use dd type : info coreutils 'dd invocation' > > but basically it boils down to dd if=/dev/source of=/dev/target > > > regards > > -- > Tobias Gerschner > Yoper Linux - www.yoper.com > > Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do. > > > > 2009/2/5 : >> Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to >> aucklug@linux.net.nz >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> aucklug-request@linux.net.nz >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Folders belonging to no one... (Mark Foster) >> 2. Re: Further meeting details.... (Robin Paulson) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:07:41 +1300 (NZDT) >> From: "Mark Foster" >> Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Folders belonging to no one... >> To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" >> Message-ID: <9653.119.15.0.26.1233781661.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> Have you got the partition they're on mounted as read-only by any chance? >> >> (run 'mount' from a root prompt and check it's rw not ro) >> >> On Thu, February 5, 2009 6:04 am, Cheng Eu Chew wrote: >>> Yeah, tried that. You just get a permission denied, even as root :'( >>> >>> 2009/2/4 Josh Martens : >>>> On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 20:48 +1300, Cheng Eu Chew wrote: >>>>> Hi guys, >>>>> >>>>> I had my hard drive crash because of power problems months ago. Now, >>>>> it is sitting in a hard drive enclosure so that I can try recover some >>>>> of the files. Problem is, I get the following: >>>>> http://aqs.co.nz/~chengeu/temp/Screenshot-cheng@renedox:%20-media-_home-cheng.png >>>>> >>>>> Don't really know much about data recovery so wondering if there is >>>>> any way of copying what is inside those folders? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Try setting an owner for them. >>>> >>>> sudo chown renedox:renedox /folder/name >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AuckLUG mailing list >>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cheng Eu Chew >>> _________________________________________________ >>> Email : renedox@gmail.com >>> Mobile : +64 21 810098 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:16:09 +1300 >> From: Robin Paulson >> Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Further meeting details.... >> To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list >> Message-ID: >> <2f3aa2770902041316g5eba7d50wc0736215b7e819ce@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> first of all, monday was good - glad to see aucklug back on it's feet >> after stagnating last year >> >> i'd like to put in my views here on what we do in the monthly meetups: >> i see aucklug as being about sharing expertise/knowledge etc. >> concerning various tech-related subjects, whilst having a social >> element too >> >> i think it's a good idea to have some sort of planning to at least >> part of the meet, otherwise it has the danger of turning into a bunch >> of guys sat around talking and rehashing the same conversations >> without going anywhere - too much emphasis on the social, not enough >> on the sharing expertise part. i would suggest this takes the form of >> someone talking on some subject for which they've prepared. it doesn't >> have to a be an excessively formal, rigid setting to be useful; my >> first aucklug meet on bash consisted mainly of one person talking to >> us about stuff he knew in-depth, but there was plenty of involvement >> from everyone else, and i didn't feel like i was back in school >> >> having said that, i'm all for having a part that's less structured as >> well, either at the same time or afterwards (my preferred option - i >> don't think there are enough of us to support both concurrently). >> whether this is a 'get some help with whatever', or a discussion about >> some relevant topic like the new laws affecting ISPs, or even >> alternating between the two from week to week, doesn't matter - it >> enables people to learn about some smaller topic without requiring >> someone to put together a presentation and talk in front of a group. >> >> for the first part, i'd be interested in doing a presentation, either >> on openstreetmap.org , or on the openmoko mobile phones >> >> for the second, there are a few things i'd like to get help with, and >> some things i'd like to discuss in a group of similarly-minded >> individuals, neither of which i find mailing lists that great for >> >> cheers >> >> rob >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> >> End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 45, Issue 8 >> ************************************** >> > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Cheng Eu Chew _________________________________________________ Email : renedox@gmail.com Mobile : +64 21 810098 From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 22:07:29 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Feb 5 23:04:07 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Further meeting details.... In-Reply-To: References: <51396.119.15.0.26.1233699091.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <22109.119.15.0.26.1233719448.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <4989637D.7090602@openmedia.co.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Mark Foster wrote: > > Despite the fact that Nevyn and I disagree from time to time, I think we > both have the best interests of the LUG and the user community at heart; > we've corresponded offlist and I think we do ultimately agree on that much > ;) > > I've been around the Auckland LUG environment for many years but my voice is > just one of many. I have an opinion - I will share it (those who know me > wont' be suprised, heh) - and add it to the mix. What comes out in the end > however is likely to be some hybrid of all the opinions aired, including but > not limited to my own. > > My key point from last night was pretty much as summarised above - if where > and when are known, and a rough idea of the subject material are also known, > it gives us a starting point - but there's more than enough flexibility to > allow for additional 'streams', and likewise people who're joining us for > the first time shouldn't be discouraged if the meeting subject material > initially indicated doesn't immediately get them interested. > > I have benefited from discussions on subjects that I initially thought > boring as hell - they've sparked up new interests of my own - and there is > _always_ the opportunity to socialise with others in the group, make new > friends, 'brain-pick' and perhaps present your own problems or questions (or > subject matter talks, occaisionally) to provoke new discussions. > > The origins in my post were to ensure that people knew that they were always > welcome and should feel to be a fly-on-the-wall or to ask 'stupid' questions > (which usually arent)... regardless of your experience level you should feel > welcome at AuckLUG events. > > When I started in the LUG's I was an _utter_ newbie and to this day only > have limited expertise.... I continue to learn from other LUG'rs and I just > want to make sure that no doors are seen to be closed. > > I have full confidence in the team currently arranging AuckLUG events and > will support them regardless of circumstances where we differ in opinion :o) > > Thanks to Martin and Nevyn for their hard work thus far, and long may it > continue! :) > > Mark. I should probably put a note here as well. Mark and I have had our spats over the years and often we're either both making the same point or have misunderstood each other on one point or another. I daresay, neither of us would argue so passionately if it wasn't for the fact that we both feel passionate about this community and where it's going. It was inappropriate of me to fly off the handle and I apologise profusely for that to both Mark and the list at large. My concern was that Mark was dismissing the 2nd stream and Mark's point was more, don't dismiss the 1st stream. There is value to turning up to either meeting depending on where your interests lie and even if a topic is over your head, you are given the opportunity to ask questions. Hell, it probably benefits some speakers if you interrupt and ask what a certain three letter abbreviation means or whether x is related to y etc. Similarly I'm not advocating a complete separation between new and old users. Instead, I'm hoping variety is the spice of life and we can all get what we need out of the meetings, whatever your skill level and interests in Linux. This is of course an organic process - lets try it, see if it helps and whether people like it. Hell, we can always backbench it (or cast it to the fires of whatever/where ever) if it doesn't work out. This is the time to define what we want and how we want it. I'm getting shivers just thinking about. Regards, Nevyn. P.S. Credit is where credit's due and thus far, I have done very very little. Thanks Martin for organising the events and sorting out venues and accommodating for a 2nd stream etc. From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Thu Feb 5 22:11:49 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Thu Feb 5 23:25:17 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Folders belonging to no one... (Mark Foster) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1233825109.6742.1.camel@studypad> I'm not certain what that nodev thing is about... From what I found... dev / nodev Interpret/do not interpret block special devices on the filesystem. Try removing that line from your fstab. On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 21:54 +1300, Cheng Eu Chew wrote: > Oh yeah, I don't have enough space on my hard drive to do a complete backup :'( > > 2009/2/5 Tobias Gerschner : > > Hi, > > > > Before you start doing anything you should consider doing a complete > > copy of that hard drive using dd , provided you have the spare > > capacity . Then you can safely start your recovery attempts. > > > > For info on how to use dd type : info coreutils 'dd invocation' > > > > but basically it boils down to dd if=/dev/source of=/dev/target > > > > > > regards > > > > -- > > Tobias Gerschner > > Yoper Linux - www.yoper.com > > > > Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do. > > > > > > > > 2009/2/5 : > >> Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to > >> aucklug@linux.net.nz > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: Folders belonging to no one... (Mark Foster) > >> 2. Re: Further meeting details.... (Robin Paulson) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:07:41 +1300 (NZDT) > >> From: "Mark Foster" > >> Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Folders belonging to no one... > >> To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > >> Message-ID: <9653.119.15.0.26.1233781661.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> > >> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > >> > >> Have you got the partition they're on mounted as read-only by any chance? > >> > >> (run 'mount' from a root prompt and check it's rw not ro) > >> > >> On Thu, February 5, 2009 6:04 am, Cheng Eu Chew wrote: > >>> Yeah, tried that. You just get a permission denied, even as root :'( > >>> > >>> 2009/2/4 Josh Martens : > >>>> On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 20:48 +1300, Cheng Eu Chew wrote: > >>>>> Hi guys, > >>>>> > >>>>> I had my hard drive crash because of power problems months ago. Now, > >>>>> it is sitting in a hard drive enclosure so that I can try recover some > >>>>> of the files. Problem is, I get the following: > >>>>> http://aqs.co.nz/~chengeu/temp/Screenshot-cheng@renedox:%20-media-_home-cheng.png > >>>>> > >>>>> Don't really know much about data recovery so wondering if there is > >>>>> any way of copying what is inside those folders? > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Try setting an owner for them. > >>>> > >>>> sudo chown renedox:renedox /folder/name > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> AuckLUG mailing list > >>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > >>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Cheng Eu Chew > >>> _________________________________________________ > >>> Email : renedox@gmail.com > >>> Mobile : +64 21 810098 > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> AuckLUG mailing list > >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:16:09 +1300 > >> From: Robin Paulson > >> Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Further meeting details.... > >> To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > >> Message-ID: > >> <2f3aa2770902041316g5eba7d50wc0736215b7e819ce@mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >> > >> first of all, monday was good - glad to see aucklug back on it's feet > >> after stagnating last year > >> > >> i'd like to put in my views here on what we do in the monthly meetups: > >> i see aucklug as being about sharing expertise/knowledge etc. > >> concerning various tech-related subjects, whilst having a social > >> element too > >> > >> i think it's a good idea to have some sort of planning to at least > >> part of the meet, otherwise it has the danger of turning into a bunch > >> of guys sat around talking and rehashing the same conversations > >> without going anywhere - too much emphasis on the social, not enough > >> on the sharing expertise part. i would suggest this takes the form of > >> someone talking on some subject for which they've prepared. it doesn't > >> have to a be an excessively formal, rigid setting to be useful; my > >> first aucklug meet on bash consisted mainly of one person talking to > >> us about stuff he knew in-depth, but there was plenty of involvement > >> from everyone else, and i didn't feel like i was back in school > >> > >> having said that, i'm all for having a part that's less structured as > >> well, either at the same time or afterwards (my preferred option - i > >> don't think there are enough of us to support both concurrently). > >> whether this is a 'get some help with whatever', or a discussion about > >> some relevant topic like the new laws affecting ISPs, or even > >> alternating between the two from week to week, doesn't matter - it > >> enables people to learn about some smaller topic without requiring > >> someone to put together a presentation and talk in front of a group. > >> > >> for the first part, i'd be interested in doing a presentation, either > >> on openstreetmap.org , or on the openmoko mobile phones > >> > >> for the second, there are a few things i'd like to get help with, and > >> some things i'd like to discuss in a group of similarly-minded > >> individuals, neither of which i find mailing lists that great for > >> > >> cheers > >> > >> rob > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AuckLUG mailing list > >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > >> > >> > >> End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 45, Issue 8 > >> ************************************** > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > From lilypatch at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 22:26:38 2009 From: lilypatch at gmail.com (David Bowen) Date: Thu Feb 5 23:40:46 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Folders belonging to no one... (Mark Foster) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498AB0CE.7090600@gmail.com> Cheng Eu Chew wrote: > Oh yeah, I don't have enough space on my hard drive to do a complete backup :'( > How big of a drive would you need?, I may be able to loan you a drive of about 40 gig. David > 2009/2/5 Tobias Gerschner : > >> Hi, >> >> Before you start doing anything you should consider doing a complete >> copy of that hard drive using dd , provided you have the spare >> capacity . Then you can safely start your recovery attempts. >> >> For info on how to use dd type : info coreutils 'dd invocation' >> >> but basically it boils down to dd if=/dev/source of=/dev/target >> >> >> regards >> >> -- >> Tobias Gerschner >> Yoper Linux - www.yoper.com >> >> Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do. >> >> >> >> 2009/2/5 : >> >>> Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to >>> aucklug@linux.net.nz >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> aucklug-request@linux.net.nz >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Folders belonging to no one... (Mark Foster) >>> 2. Re: Further meeting details.... (Robin Paulson) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:07:41 +1300 (NZDT) >>> From: "Mark Foster" >>> Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Folders belonging to no one... >>> To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" >>> Message-ID: <9653.119.15.0.26.1233781661.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 >>> >>> Have you got the partition they're on mounted as read-only by any chance? >>> >>> (run 'mount' from a root prompt and check it's rw not ro) >>> >>> On Thu, February 5, 2009 6:04 am, Cheng Eu Chew wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah, tried that. You just get a permission denied, even as root :'( >>>> >>>> 2009/2/4 Josh Martens : >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 20:48 +1300, Cheng Eu Chew wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>> >>>>>> I had my hard drive crash because of power problems months ago. Now, >>>>>> it is sitting in a hard drive enclosure so that I can try recover some >>>>>> of the files. Problem is, I get the following: >>>>>> http://aqs.co.nz/~chengeu/temp/Screenshot-cheng@renedox:%20-media-_home-cheng.png >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't really know much about data recovery so wondering if there is >>>>>> any way of copying what is inside those folders? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Try setting an owner for them. >>>>> >>>>> sudo chown renedox:renedox /folder/name >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AuckLUG mailing list >>>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cheng Eu Chew >>>> _________________________________________________ >>>> Email : renedox@gmail.com >>>> Mobile : +64 21 810098 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AuckLUG mailing list >>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:16:09 +1300 >>> From: Robin Paulson >>> Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Further meeting details.... >>> To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list >>> Message-ID: >>> <2f3aa2770902041316g5eba7d50wc0736215b7e819ce@mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> first of all, monday was good - glad to see aucklug back on it's feet >>> after stagnating last year >>> >>> i'd like to put in my views here on what we do in the monthly meetups: >>> i see aucklug as being about sharing expertise/knowledge etc. >>> concerning various tech-related subjects, whilst having a social >>> element too >>> >>> i think it's a good idea to have some sort of planning to at least >>> part of the meet, otherwise it has the danger of turning into a bunch >>> of guys sat around talking and rehashing the same conversations >>> without going anywhere - too much emphasis on the social, not enough >>> on the sharing expertise part. i would suggest this takes the form of >>> someone talking on some subject for which they've prepared. it doesn't >>> have to a be an excessively formal, rigid setting to be useful; my >>> first aucklug meet on bash consisted mainly of one person talking to >>> us about stuff he knew in-depth, but there was plenty of involvement >>> from everyone else, and i didn't feel like i was back in school >>> >>> having said that, i'm all for having a part that's less structured as >>> well, either at the same time or afterwards (my preferred option - i >>> don't think there are enough of us to support both concurrently). >>> whether this is a 'get some help with whatever', or a discussion about >>> some relevant topic like the new laws affecting ISPs, or even >>> alternating between the two from week to week, doesn't matter - it >>> enables people to learn about some smaller topic without requiring >>> someone to put together a presentation and talk in front of a group. >>> >>> for the first part, i'd be interested in doing a presentation, either >>> on openstreetmap.org , or on the openmoko mobile phones >>> >>> for the second, there are a few things i'd like to get help with, and >>> some things i'd like to discuss in a group of similarly-minded >>> individuals, neither of which i find mailing lists that great for >>> >>> cheers >>> >>> rob >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> >>> >>> End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 45, Issue 8 >>> ************************************** >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> > > > > From renedox at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 23:59:02 2009 From: renedox at gmail.com (Cheng Eu Chew) Date: Thu Feb 5 23:59:12 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Folders belonging to no one... (Mark Foster) In-Reply-To: <498AB0CE.7090600@gmail.com> References: <498AB0CE.7090600@gmail.com> Message-ID: The drive is an 80Gb one but the problem is moving files to be backed up in the first place. Appreciate the sentiment though ^^ As for removing "nodev" from fstab, I could try doing that. Probably nothing to worry about but it shouldn't affect anything else right? Logically it makes sense that it wouldn't... 2009/2/5 David Bowen : > Cheng Eu Chew wrote: >> >> Oh yeah, I don't have enough space on my hard drive to do a complete >> backup :'( >> > > How big of a drive would you need?, I may be able to loan you a drive of > about 40 gig. > > David >> >> 2009/2/5 Tobias Gerschner : >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Before you start doing anything you should consider doing a complete >>> copy of that hard drive using dd , provided you have the spare >>> capacity . Then you can safely start your recovery attempts. >>> >>> For info on how to use dd type : info coreutils 'dd invocation' >>> >>> but basically it boils down to dd if=/dev/source of=/dev/target >>> >>> >>> regards >>> >>> -- >>> Tobias Gerschner >>> Yoper Linux - www.yoper.com >>> >>> Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2009/2/5 : >>> >>>> >>>> Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to >>>> aucklug@linux.net.nz >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> aucklug-request@linux.net.nz >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Re: Folders belonging to no one... (Mark Foster) >>>> 2. Re: Further meeting details.... (Robin Paulson) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:07:41 +1300 (NZDT) >>>> From: "Mark Foster" >>>> Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Folders belonging to no one... >>>> To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" >>>> Message-ID: <9653.119.15.0.26.1233781661.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 >>>> >>>> Have you got the partition they're on mounted as read-only by any >>>> chance? >>>> >>>> (run 'mount' from a root prompt and check it's rw not ro) >>>> >>>> On Thu, February 5, 2009 6:04 am, Cheng Eu Chew wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, tried that. You just get a permission denied, even as root :'( >>>>> >>>>> 2009/2/4 Josh Martens : >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 20:48 +1300, Cheng Eu Chew wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I had my hard drive crash because of power problems months ago. Now, >>>>>>> it is sitting in a hard drive enclosure so that I can try recover >>>>>>> some >>>>>>> of the files. Problem is, I get the following: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://aqs.co.nz/~chengeu/temp/Screenshot-cheng@renedox:%20-media-_home-cheng.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don't really know much about data recovery so wondering if there is >>>>>>> any way of copying what is inside those folders? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Try setting an owner for them. >>>>>> >>>>>> sudo chown renedox:renedox /folder/name >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AuckLUG mailing list >>>>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>>>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Cheng Eu Chew >>>>> _________________________________________________ >>>>> Email : renedox@gmail.com >>>>> Mobile : +64 21 810098 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AuckLUG mailing list >>>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:16:09 +1300 >>>> From: Robin Paulson >>>> Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Further meeting details.... >>>> To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <2f3aa2770902041316g5eba7d50wc0736215b7e819ce@mail.gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>> >>>> first of all, monday was good - glad to see aucklug back on it's feet >>>> after stagnating last year >>>> >>>> i'd like to put in my views here on what we do in the monthly meetups: >>>> i see aucklug as being about sharing expertise/knowledge etc. >>>> concerning various tech-related subjects, whilst having a social >>>> element too >>>> >>>> i think it's a good idea to have some sort of planning to at least >>>> part of the meet, otherwise it has the danger of turning into a bunch >>>> of guys sat around talking and rehashing the same conversations >>>> without going anywhere - too much emphasis on the social, not enough >>>> on the sharing expertise part. i would suggest this takes the form of >>>> someone talking on some subject for which they've prepared. it doesn't >>>> have to a be an excessively formal, rigid setting to be useful; my >>>> first aucklug meet on bash consisted mainly of one person talking to >>>> us about stuff he knew in-depth, but there was plenty of involvement >>>> from everyone else, and i didn't feel like i was back in school >>>> >>>> having said that, i'm all for having a part that's less structured as >>>> well, either at the same time or afterwards (my preferred option - i >>>> don't think there are enough of us to support both concurrently). >>>> whether this is a 'get some help with whatever', or a discussion about >>>> some relevant topic like the new laws affecting ISPs, or even >>>> alternating between the two from week to week, doesn't matter - it >>>> enables people to learn about some smaller topic without requiring >>>> someone to put together a presentation and talk in front of a group. >>>> >>>> for the first part, i'd be interested in doing a presentation, either >>>> on openstreetmap.org , or on the openmoko mobile phones >>>> >>>> for the second, there are a few things i'd like to get help with, and >>>> some things i'd like to discuss in a group of similarly-minded >>>> individuals, neither of which i find mailing lists that great for >>>> >>>> cheers >>>> >>>> rob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AuckLUG mailing list >>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>>> >>>> >>>> End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 45, Issue 8 >>>> ************************************** >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Cheng Eu Chew _________________________________________________ Email : renedox@gmail.com Mobile : +64 21 810098 From kiirani at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 16:35:30 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Fri Feb 6 16:35:37 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Folders belonging to no one... In-Reply-To: References: <1233739776.6546.0.camel@studypad> <9653.119.15.0.26.1233781661.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Message-ID: <2494ad260902051935s1d7ae23ahcb74d8c2f53f0037@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/5 Cheng Eu Chew : > Oh yeah I checked out the gddrescue - thanks Nevyn - but it crashed my > computer... so don't think I'll be trying that one again. That's really weird, crashed in what way? Any error messages before or afterwards? Did you unmount the drive before running the rescue program? > The hard drive isn't mounted as read only here's what the mount command shows: > /dev/sdb2 on /media/_home type reiserfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) > > Any other ideas? Missing something really obvious? Or is the hard > drive just a write off? Yeah, try popping into a livecd and fsck the drive? I don't remember the specific options you should use, but: 1) Boot to a livecd - Technically you can just init 1 and unmount the drive if it's non-essential 2) Confirm that /dev/sdb2 is the fs you want, as the livecd may have assigned it to sda, or sdc. 3) Make absolutely certain that sdb2 (or whatever) is NOT mounted. You can use 'mount' with no arguments to get a list of mounted drives. If it IS mounted, UNMOUNT it: umount /dev/sdb2 (or /dev/whatever if it's different) 3) fsck /dev/sdb2 (or /dev/whatever if it's different) Assuming you're running an ext2 or ext3 filesystem, the e2fsck man page looks like -p and -c would be useful options if your filesystem IS stuffed, but I don't want to recommend anything that could make it worse as a first course of action, so... http://linux.die.net/man/8/e2fsck From renedox at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 16:43:13 2009 From: renedox at gmail.com (Cheng Eu Chew) Date: Fri Feb 6 16:43:17 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Folders belonging to no one... In-Reply-To: <2494ad260902051935s1d7ae23ahcb74d8c2f53f0037@mail.gmail.com> References: <1233739776.6546.0.camel@studypad> <9653.119.15.0.26.1233781661.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <2494ad260902051935s1d7ae23ahcb74d8c2f53f0037@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/2/6 Kennedy Skelton : > 2009/2/5 Cheng Eu Chew : >> Oh yeah I checked out the gddrescue - thanks Nevyn - but it crashed my >> computer... so don't think I'll be trying that one again. > > That's really weird, crashed in what way? Any error messages before or > afterwards? Did you unmount the drive before running the rescue > program? > I was at work so, sshed into my computer to do it - which may not have been a good idea to begin with - when I got home, the screen was blank, the caps lock and scroll lock keys on my keyboard were flashing. No response to ctrl alt backspace, ctrl alt del, mouse clicks or anything. Just had to reset the computer. No, the drive wasn't unmounted. Doesn't the drive need to be mounted so the rescue can happen? >> The hard drive isn't mounted as read only here's what the mount command shows: >> /dev/sdb2 on /media/_home type reiserfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) >> >> Any other ideas? Missing something really obvious? Or is the hard >> drive just a write off? > > Yeah, try popping into a livecd and fsck the drive? I don't remember > the specific options you should use, but: > > 1) Boot to a livecd > - Technically you can just init 1 and unmount the drive if it's non-essential > > 2) Confirm that /dev/sdb2 is the fs you want, as the livecd may have > assigned it to sda, or sdc. > > 3) Make absolutely certain that sdb2 (or whatever) is NOT mounted. > You can use 'mount' with no arguments to get a list of mounted drives. > If it IS mounted, UNMOUNT it: > umount /dev/sdb2 > (or /dev/whatever if it's different) > > 3) fsck /dev/sdb2 > (or /dev/whatever if it's different) > > Assuming you're running an ext2 or ext3 filesystem, the e2fsck man > page looks like -p and -c would be useful options if your filesystem > IS stuffed, but I don't want to recommend anything that could make it > worse as a first course of action, so... > http://linux.die.net/man/8/e2fsck > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > Tried a fsck as well before posting to the list. Didn't really help. I have a running system and the hard drive is in an enclosure, should I still try a live CD? -- Cheng Eu Chew _________________________________________________ Email : renedox@gmail.com Mobile : +64 21 810098 From kiirani at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 17:06:47 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Fri Feb 6 17:06:58 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Folders belonging to no one... In-Reply-To: References: <1233739776.6546.0.camel@studypad> <9653.119.15.0.26.1233781661.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <2494ad260902051935s1d7ae23ahcb74d8c2f53f0037@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2494ad260902052006j1a2ccee7g8ba855f3c755b26a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/6 Cheng Eu Chew : > 2009/2/6 Kennedy Skelton : >> 2009/2/5 Cheng Eu Chew : >>> Oh yeah I checked out the gddrescue - thanks Nevyn - but it crashed my >>> computer... so don't think I'll be trying that one again. >> >> That's really weird, crashed in what way? Any error messages before or >> afterwards? Did you unmount the drive before running the rescue >> program? >> > > I was at work so, sshed into my computer to do it - which may not have > been a good idea to begin with - when I got home, the screen was > blank, the caps lock and scroll lock keys on my keyboard were > flashing. No response to ctrl alt backspace, ctrl alt del, mouse > clicks or anything. Just had to reset the computer. > > No, the drive wasn't unmounted. Doesn't the drive need to be mounted > so the rescue can happen? > ddrescue, like dd, actually, doesn't copy files from one filesystem to another, it clones the raw data (including filesystem) from one block device (drive or drive partition) to another. The difference between ddrescue and a plain old dd appears to be that the rescue program is designed to try and recover damaged sectors if the hard drive (and not the filesystem) is faulty. On hard drive space for a recovery : If you have a spare hdd of the same (or larger?) size lying around and you don't mind wiping anything on it OFF it, you should use dd (or ddrescue) to backup the data on your faulty drive To do this you ensure that both drives are NOT mounted, and then either : dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc (if that's the spare drive) OR ddrescue -v /dev/sdb /dev/sdc * * I've never used ddrescue, so if anybody has a better invocation, please recommend? > Tried a fsck as well before posting to the list. Didn't really help. I > have a running system and the hard drive is in an enclosure, should I > still try a live CD? Did it come up with anything at all? And no, the reason I generally say livecd is because it's the easiest way to ensure that the drive is definitely not mounted.. Same with init 1, it just means that nothing's likely to be using it to prevent you from unmounting. Provided you can tell the difference between a failed attempt to unmount a drive and a successful attempt to unmount a drive, you should be fine. From renedox at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 17:30:21 2009 From: renedox at gmail.com (Cheng Eu Chew) Date: Fri Feb 6 17:30:27 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Folders belonging to no one... In-Reply-To: <2494ad260902052006j1a2ccee7g8ba855f3c755b26a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1233739776.6546.0.camel@studypad> <9653.119.15.0.26.1233781661.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <2494ad260902051935s1d7ae23ahcb74d8c2f53f0037@mail.gmail.com> <2494ad260902052006j1a2ccee7g8ba855f3c755b26a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh.. didn't realise that the drives need to be unmounted... Guess I should find a hard drive with space and some time to try it.. 2009/2/6 Kennedy Skelton : > 2009/2/6 Cheng Eu Chew : >> 2009/2/6 Kennedy Skelton : >>> 2009/2/5 Cheng Eu Chew : >>>> Oh yeah I checked out the gddrescue - thanks Nevyn - but it crashed my >>>> computer... so don't think I'll be trying that one again. >>> >>> That's really weird, crashed in what way? Any error messages before or >>> afterwards? Did you unmount the drive before running the rescue >>> program? >>> >> >> I was at work so, sshed into my computer to do it - which may not have >> been a good idea to begin with - when I got home, the screen was >> blank, the caps lock and scroll lock keys on my keyboard were >> flashing. No response to ctrl alt backspace, ctrl alt del, mouse >> clicks or anything. Just had to reset the computer. >> >> No, the drive wasn't unmounted. Doesn't the drive need to be mounted >> so the rescue can happen? >> > > ddrescue, like dd, actually, doesn't copy files from one filesystem to > another, it clones the raw data (including filesystem) from one block > device (drive or drive partition) to another. > > The difference between ddrescue and a plain old dd appears to be that > the rescue program is designed to try and recover damaged sectors if > the hard drive (and not the filesystem) is faulty. > > On hard drive space for a recovery : > If you have a spare hdd of the same (or larger?) size lying around and > you don't mind wiping anything on it OFF it, you should use dd (or > ddrescue) to backup the data on your faulty drive > To do this you ensure that both drives are NOT mounted, and then either : > dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc (if that's the spare drive) > OR > ddrescue -v /dev/sdb /dev/sdc * > * I've never used ddrescue, so if anybody has a better invocation, > please recommend? > >> Tried a fsck as well before posting to the list. Didn't really help. I >> have a running system and the hard drive is in an enclosure, should I >> still try a live CD? > > Did it come up with anything at all? > And no, the reason I generally say livecd is because it's the easiest > way to ensure that the drive is definitely not mounted.. Same with > init 1, it just means that nothing's likely to be using it to prevent > you from unmounting. Provided you can tell the difference between a > failed attempt to unmount a drive and a successful attempt to unmount > a drive, you should be fine. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Cheng Eu Chew _________________________________________________ Email : renedox@gmail.com Mobile : +64 21 810098 From martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz Sat Feb 7 09:26:09 2009 From: martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz (Martin D Kealey) Date: Sat Feb 7 09:26:27 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Folders belonging to no one... In-Reply-To: <9653.119.15.0.26.1233781661.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> References: <1233739776.6546.0.camel@studypad> <9653.119.15.0.26.1233781661.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Message-ID: First rule of data recovery: MAKE A BACKUP. An that DOES NOT mean "cp -r /mnt/whatever /otherdir". It means, an image copy of the whole disk, as in dd if=/dev/hdXX of=disk.img The next thing is, if you're seeing "?" in directory listings, the filesystem is corrupted. so DO NOT mount it r/w under any circumstances. The next thing you want to do after making the aforementioned backup is to run some flavour of "fsck". But chances are you're hosed, as the vast spewing output of fsck will attest. Copy whatever individual files you can off the disk (mounted ro, NOT rw), and then take it to a professional data recovery service. Or, if you have some idea what you're looking for, use "strings" and "dd" to find and reassemble it. -Martin On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Mark Foster wrote: > Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:07:41 +1300 (NZDT) > From: Mark Foster > Reply-To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Folders belonging to no one... > > Have you got the partition they're on mounted as read-only by any chance? > > (run 'mount' from a root prompt and check it's rw not ro) > > On Thu, February 5, 2009 6:04 am, Cheng Eu Chew wrote: > > Yeah, tried that. You just get a permission denied, even as root :'( > > > > 2009/2/4 Josh Martens : > >> On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 20:48 +1300, Cheng Eu Chew wrote: > >>> Hi guys, > >>> > >>> I had my hard drive crash because of power problems months ago. Now, > >>> it is sitting in a hard drive enclosure so that I can try recover some > >>> of the files. Problem is, I get the following: > >>> http://aqs.co.nz/~chengeu/temp/Screenshot-cheng@renedox:%20-media-_home-cheng.png > >>> > >>> Don't really know much about data recovery so wondering if there is > >>> any way of copying what is inside those folders? > >>> > >> > >> Try setting an owner for them. > >> > >> sudo chown renedox:renedox /folder/name > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AuckLUG mailing list > >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Cheng Eu Chew > > _________________________________________________ > > Email : renedox@gmail.com > > Mobile : +64 21 810098 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From kiirani at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 18:51:40 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Sun Feb 8 18:51:58 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Folders belonging to no one... In-Reply-To: References: <1233739776.6546.0.camel@studypad> <9653.119.15.0.26.1233781661.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <2494ad260902051935s1d7ae23ahcb74d8c2f53f0037@mail.gmail.com> <2494ad260902052006j1a2ccee7g8ba855f3c755b26a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2494ad260902072151k88c441fu6b1927d8f41bfe21@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/6 Cheng Eu Chew : > Oh.. didn't realise that the drives need to be unmounted... > > Guess I should find a hard drive with space and some time to try it.. Just to be clear, did you mean you didn't realise they need to be unmounted for dd/ddrescue, or for fsck? As I recall, fscking a mounted drive is a very bad idea, whereas using dd on a mounted drive will just probably result in a corrupted backup. (Can anybody confirm this?) From martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz Mon Feb 9 18:02:32 2009 From: martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz (Martin D Kealey) Date: Mon Feb 9 18:04:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Auckland Linux Users' Group monthly meeting reminder: Monday 6:30 pm at 16 Viaduct Harbour Ave In-Reply-To: References: <49854676.6060708@openmedia.co.nz> <4372ea620902020046w4646a508p9c2d24c9ead52108@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 2009, Nevyn wrote: > Can we have a report on last night's meeting? Unfortunately everything > was against my coming. Everyone piled into the "presentation", so there was no "PC repair shop" nor any "socializing". I talked for a while about stuff from the NZNOG conference, notably IPv6 and copyright law, and then talk shifted to stuff from LCA09, notably IPv6 and copyright law ... -Martin From martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz Mon Feb 9 19:30:38 2009 From: martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz (Martin D Kealey) Date: Mon Feb 9 19:30:58 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Auckland Linux Users' Group monthly meeting reminder: Monday 6:30 pm at 16 Viaduct Harbour Ave In-Reply-To: References: <49854676.6060708@openmedia.co.nz> <4372ea620902020046w4646a508p9c2d24c9ead52108@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, Martin D Kealey wrote: > Everyone piled into the "presentation", so there was no "PC repair shop" nor > any "socializing". Let me rephrase that. There *was* socializing, but not until afterwards. We spent about 40 minutes yakking out on the forecourt outside, enjoying a warm summer's evening, -Martin From Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz Wed Feb 11 14:30:41 2009 From: Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz (Chilling_Silence) Date: Wed Feb 11 14:31:02 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] smstools with Huawei E220 & no /dev/ttyUSB0 Message-ID: <2987f0d40902101730i1461bdefp767b99fc7638857b@mail.gmail.com> Greetings all, So Ive got myself a Vodem and am trying to set it up so that I can send / receive SMS messages using smstools. Problem: It seems to function better under cygwin than Linux, at least under cygwin I could set it to use com4 and it would actually acknowledge the modem. In Linux, neither Ubuntu nor CentOS5 (Both distros I had handy) were able to find /dev/ttyUSB* after plugging it in. Having done a fair amount of reading thus far, I cant see why it wouldnt be creating it. That said, Ive found a few pages like this: http://oozie.fm.interia.pl/pro/huawei-e220/ as well as: http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ Unfortunately neither works on either distro. CentOS5 is running: 2.6.18-53.1.19.el5 Ubuntu is running: 2.6.22-14-server Any ideas about where-to from here? In both distro's I get: 2009-02-11 14:28:12,3, huawei: Modem is not clear to send [root@genesis ~]# cat /etc/smsd.conf # Example smsd.conf. Read the manual for a description # devices = GSM1 devices = huawei outgoing = /var/spool/sms/outgoing checked = /var/spool/sms/checked failed = /var/spool/sms/failed incoming = /var/spool/sms/incoming sent = /var/spool/sms/sent stats = /var/log/smstools/smsd_stats logfile = /var/log/smsd.log loglevel = 7 # Modem configuration [huawei] device = /dev/ttyS0 incoming = yes baudrate = 115200 [GSM1] device = /dev/ttyS0 incoming = yes Any assistance would be greatly appreciated Cheers Chill. From nardusg at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 14:40:01 2009 From: nardusg at gmail.com (Nardus Geldenhuys) Date: Wed Feb 11 14:40:29 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] smstools with Huawei E220 & no /dev/ttyUSB0 In-Reply-To: <2987f0d40902101730i1461bdefp767b99fc7638857b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2987f0d40902101730i1461bdefp767b99fc7638857b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <778465350902101740y641e33fag1a946196c58db143@mail.gmail.com> Hi There Witch version of ubuntu are you using ? Also note that you smsd.conf file is pointing to the wrong devices. It should be /dev/ttyUSB0 and not /dev/ttyS0. Also, did you disable the pin on the sim ? 2009/2/11 Chilling_Silence > Greetings all, > > So Ive got myself a Vodem and am trying to set it up so that I can send / > receive SMS messages using smstools. > > Problem: It seems to function better under cygwin than Linux, at least > under > cygwin I could set it to use com4 and it would actually acknowledge the > modem. > > In Linux, neither Ubuntu nor CentOS5 (Both distros I had handy) were able > to > find /dev/ttyUSB* after plugging it in. > > Having done a fair amount of reading thus far, I cant see why it wouldnt be > creating it. > > That said, Ive found a few pages like this: > http://oozie.fm.interia.pl/pro/huawei-e220/ > as well as: http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ > > Unfortunately neither works on either distro. > CentOS5 is running: 2.6.18-53.1.19.el5 > Ubuntu is running: 2.6.22-14-server > > Any ideas about where-to from here? > In both distro's I get: > 2009-02-11 14:28:12,3, huawei: Modem is not clear to send > > [root@genesis ~]# cat /etc/smsd.conf > # Example smsd.conf. Read the manual for a description > # devices = GSM1 > devices = huawei > outgoing = /var/spool/sms/outgoing > checked = /var/spool/sms/checked > failed = /var/spool/sms/failed > incoming = /var/spool/sms/incoming > sent = /var/spool/sms/sent > stats = /var/log/smstools/smsd_stats > logfile = /var/log/smsd.log > loglevel = 7 > > # Modem configuration > [huawei] > device = /dev/ttyS0 > incoming = yes > baudrate = 115200 > > [GSM1] > device = /dev/ttyS0 > incoming = yes > > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated > > Cheers > > > Chill. > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz Wed Feb 11 14:58:04 2009 From: Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz (Chilling_Silence) Date: Wed Feb 11 14:58:41 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] smstools with Huawei E220 & no /dev/ttyUSB0 In-Reply-To: <778465350902101740y641e33fag1a946196c58db143@mail.gmail.com> References: <2987f0d40902101730i1461bdefp767b99fc7638857b@mail.gmail.com> <778465350902101740y641e33fag1a946196c58db143@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2987f0d40902101758r44eeebdexc377652e6f5465dc@mail.gmail.com> No PIN on the SIM (At least I dont think -- Its one we just bought) Yeah sorry I was playing around with the conf, its been a combo of both /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyUSB0 throughout the day as Ive tried a whole lot of different things To be honest Im not sure which version of Ubuntu its running, its just one that was on a machine here that the IT guy setup (Hes away for the week and gave me root access). On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Nardus Geldenhuys wrote: > Hi There > > Witch version of ubuntu are you using ? Also note that you smsd.conf file > is > pointing to the wrong devices. It should be /dev/ttyUSB0 and not > /dev/ttyS0. > > Also, did you disable the pin on the sim ? > > > 2009/2/11 Chilling_Silence > > > Greetings all, > > > > So Ive got myself a Vodem and am trying to set it up so that I can send / > > receive SMS messages using smstools. > > > > Problem: It seems to function better under cygwin than Linux, at least > > under > > cygwin I could set it to use com4 and it would actually acknowledge the > > modem. > > > > In Linux, neither Ubuntu nor CentOS5 (Both distros I had handy) were able > > to > > find /dev/ttyUSB* after plugging it in. > > > > Having done a fair amount of reading thus far, I cant see why it wouldnt > be > > creating it. > > > > That said, Ive found a few pages like this: > > http://oozie.fm.interia.pl/pro/huawei-e220/ > > as well as: http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ > > > > Unfortunately neither works on either distro. > > CentOS5 is running: 2.6.18-53.1.19.el5 > > Ubuntu is running: 2.6.22-14-server > > > > Any ideas about where-to from here? > > In both distro's I get: > > 2009-02-11 14:28:12,3, huawei: Modem is not clear to send > > > > [root@genesis ~]# cat /etc/smsd.conf > > # Example smsd.conf. Read the manual for a description > > # devices = GSM1 > > devices = huawei > > outgoing = /var/spool/sms/outgoing > > checked = /var/spool/sms/checked > > failed = /var/spool/sms/failed > > incoming = /var/spool/sms/incoming > > sent = /var/spool/sms/sent > > stats = /var/log/smstools/smsd_stats > > logfile = /var/log/smsd.log > > loglevel = 7 > > > > # Modem configuration > > [huawei] > > device = /dev/ttyS0 > > incoming = yes > > baudrate = 115200 > > > > [GSM1] > > device = /dev/ttyS0 > > incoming = yes > > > > > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Chill. > > __________ From nardusg at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 15:05:38 2009 From: nardusg at gmail.com (Nardus Geldenhuys) Date: Wed Feb 11 15:06:30 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] smstools with Huawei E220 & no /dev/ttyUSB0 In-Reply-To: <2987f0d40902101758r44eeebdexc377652e6f5465dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <2987f0d40902101730i1461bdefp767b99fc7638857b@mail.gmail.com> <778465350902101740y641e33fag1a946196c58db143@mail.gmail.com> <2987f0d40902101758r44eeebdexc377652e6f5465dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <778465350902101805g68e2218fg237224eaa3eca5a@mail.gmail.com> Well... The newer versions of ubuntu picks up the vodem without any issues :) On most of the older kernels you need to do something special to pick it up. The kernel first detects the vodem as n' mass storage device and then do not continue to probe any more. Do an "fdisk -l" with the vodem plugged in. This will just scan you disk and list the partion tables. Cut and paste the info ;) Also cut and paste the /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog part that is rellevant to the plugin of the vodem. 2009/2/11 Chilling_Silence > No PIN on the SIM (At least I dont think -- Its one we just bought) > > Yeah sorry I was playing around with the conf, its been a combo of both > /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyUSB0 throughout the day as Ive tried a whole lot of > different things > > To be honest Im not sure which version of Ubuntu its running, its just one > that was on a machine here that the IT guy setup (Hes away for the week and > gave me root access). > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Nardus Geldenhuys >wrote: > > > Hi There > > > > Witch version of ubuntu are you using ? Also note that you smsd.conf file > > is > > pointing to the wrong devices. It should be /dev/ttyUSB0 and not > > /dev/ttyS0. > > > > Also, did you disable the pin on the sim ? > > > > > > 2009/2/11 Chilling_Silence > > > > > Greetings all, > > > > > > So Ive got myself a Vodem and am trying to set it up so that I can send > / > > > receive SMS messages using smstools. > > > > > > Problem: It seems to function better under cygwin than Linux, at least > > > under > > > cygwin I could set it to use com4 and it would actually acknowledge the > > > modem. > > > > > > In Linux, neither Ubuntu nor CentOS5 (Both distros I had handy) were > able > > > to > > > find /dev/ttyUSB* after plugging it in. > > > > > > Having done a fair amount of reading thus far, I cant see why it > wouldnt > > be > > > creating it. > > > > > > That said, Ive found a few pages like this: > > > http://oozie.fm.interia.pl/pro/huawei-e220/ > > > as well as: http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ > > > > > > Unfortunately neither works on either distro. > > > CentOS5 is running: 2.6.18-53.1.19.el5 > > > Ubuntu is running: 2.6.22-14-server > > > > > > Any ideas about where-to from here? > > > In both distro's I get: > > > 2009-02-11 14:28:12,3, huawei: Modem is not clear to send > > > > > > [root@genesis ~]# cat /etc/smsd.conf > > > # Example smsd.conf. Read the manual for a description > > > # devices = GSM1 > > > devices = huawei > > > outgoing = /var/spool/sms/outgoing > > > checked = /var/spool/sms/checked > > > failed = /var/spool/sms/failed > > > incoming = /var/spool/sms/incoming > > > sent = /var/spool/sms/sent > > > stats = /var/log/smstools/smsd_stats > > > logfile = /var/log/smsd.log > > > loglevel = 7 > > > > > > # Modem configuration > > > [huawei] > > > device = /dev/ttyS0 > > > incoming = yes > > > baudrate = 115200 > > > > > > [GSM1] > > > device = /dev/ttyS0 > > > incoming = yes > > > > > > > > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > Chill. > > > __________ > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From jrt746 at clear.net.nz Wed Feb 11 15:15:54 2009 From: jrt746 at clear.net.nz (John Rye) Date: Wed Feb 11 15:16:13 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] smstools with Huawei E220 & no /dev/ttyUSB0 In-Reply-To: <2987f0d40902101758r44eeebdexc377652e6f5465dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <2987f0d40902101730i1461bdefp767b99fc7638857b@mail.gmail.com> <778465350902101740y641e33fag1a946196c58db143@mail.gmail.com> <2987f0d40902101758r44eeebdexc377652e6f5465dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090211151554.0c1e0dd5.jrt746@clear.net.nz> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:58:04 +1300 Chilling_Silence wrote: > No PIN on the SIM (At least I dont think -- Its one we just bought) > > Yeah sorry I was playing around with the conf, its been a combo of both > /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyUSB0 throughout the day as Ive tried a whole lot of > different things > > To be honest Im not sure which version of Ubuntu its running, its just one > that was on a machine here that the IT guy setup (Hes away for the week and > gave me root access). > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Nardus Geldenhuys wrote: > > > Hi There > > > > Witch version of ubuntu are you using ? Also note that you smsd.conf file > > is > > pointing to the wrong devices. It should be /dev/ttyUSB0 and not > > /dev/ttyS0. > > > > Also, did you disable the pin on the sim ? > > > > > > 2009/2/11 Chilling_Silence > > > > > Greetings all, > > > > > > So Ive got myself a Vodem and am trying to set it up so that I can send / > > > receive SMS messages using smstools. > > > > > > Problem: It seems to function better under cygwin than Linux, at least > > > under > > > cygwin I could set it to use com4 and it would actually acknowledge the > > > modem. > > > > > > In Linux, neither Ubuntu nor CentOS5 (Both distros I had handy) were able > > > to > > > find /dev/ttyUSB* after plugging it in. > > > > > > Having done a fair amount of reading thus far, I cant see why it wouldnt > > be > > > creating it. > > > > > > That said, Ive found a few pages like this: > > > http://oozie.fm.interia.pl/pro/huawei-e220/ > > > as well as: http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ > > > > > > Unfortunately neither works on either distro. > > > CentOS5 is running: 2.6.18-53.1.19.el5 > > > Ubuntu is running: 2.6.22-14-server > > > > > > Any ideas about where-to from here? > > > In both distro's I get: > > > 2009-02-11 14:28:12,3, huawei: Modem is not clear to send > > > > > > [root@genesis ~]# cat /etc/smsd.conf > > > # Example smsd.conf. Read the manual for a description > > > # devices = GSM1 > > > devices = huawei > > > outgoing = /var/spool/sms/outgoing > > > checked = /var/spool/sms/checked > > > failed = /var/spool/sms/failed > > > incoming = /var/spool/sms/incoming > > > sent = /var/spool/sms/sent > > > stats = /var/log/smstools/smsd_stats > > > logfile = /var/log/smsd.log > > > loglevel = 7 > > > > > > # Modem configuration > > > [huawei] > > > device = /dev/ttyS0 > > > incoming = yes > > > baudrate = 115200 > > > > > > [GSM1] > > > device = /dev/ttyS0 > > > incoming = yes > > > > > > > > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated > > > What does 'sudo lspci' return? What does 'sudo tail -f /var/log/messages' show when you insert the device? I have this vague recall that Ubuntu also looks at /dev/hiddev? for some USB hardware John From pieter at insync.za.net Wed Feb 11 21:56:12 2009 From: pieter at insync.za.net (Pieter De Wit) Date: Wed Feb 11 21:56:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] smstools with Huawei E220 & no /dev/ttyUSB0 In-Reply-To: <20090211151554.0c1e0dd5.jrt746@clear.net.nz> References: <2987f0d40902101730i1461bdefp767b99fc7638857b@mail.gmail.com> <778465350902101740y641e33fag1a946196c58db143@mail.gmail.com> <2987f0d40902101758r44eeebdexc377652e6f5465dc@mail.gmail.com> <20090211151554.0c1e0dd5.jrt746@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: Hi, The v-modem is a usb device - try "lsusb" rather. If the storage device is loaded - aka the Windows software - try the following commands: rmmod usbstorage (might be usb-storage) modprobe usbserial Look on www.myadsl.co.za under the forum for Linux and the E220 "fun and games" Cheers, Pieter On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:15:54 +1300, John Rye wrote: > On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:58:04 +1300 > Chilling_Silence wrote: > >> No PIN on the SIM (At least I dont think -- Its one we just bought) >> >> Yeah sorry I was playing around with the conf, its been a combo of both >> /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyUSB0 throughout the day as Ive tried a whole lot >> of >> different things >> >> To be honest Im not sure which version of Ubuntu its running, its just >> one >> that was on a machine here that the IT guy setup (Hes away for the week >> and >> gave me root access). >> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Nardus Geldenhuys >> wrote: >> >> > Hi There >> > >> > Witch version of ubuntu are you using ? Also note that you smsd.conf >> > file >> > is >> > pointing to the wrong devices. It should be /dev/ttyUSB0 and not >> > /dev/ttyS0. >> > >> > Also, did you disable the pin on the sim ? >> > >> > >> > 2009/2/11 Chilling_Silence >> > >> > > Greetings all, >> > > >> > > So Ive got myself a Vodem and am trying to set it up so that I can >> > > send / >> > > receive SMS messages using smstools. >> > > >> > > Problem: It seems to function better under cygwin than Linux, at >> > > least >> > > under >> > > cygwin I could set it to use com4 and it would actually acknowledge >> > > the >> > > modem. >> > > >> > > In Linux, neither Ubuntu nor CentOS5 (Both distros I had handy) were >> > > able >> > > to >> > > find /dev/ttyUSB* after plugging it in. >> > > >> > > Having done a fair amount of reading thus far, I cant see why it >> > > wouldnt >> > be >> > > creating it. >> > > >> > > That said, Ive found a few pages like this: >> > > http://oozie.fm.interia.pl/pro/huawei-e220/ >> > > as well as: http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ >> > > >> > > Unfortunately neither works on either distro. >> > > CentOS5 is running: 2.6.18-53.1.19.el5 >> > > Ubuntu is running: 2.6.22-14-server >> > > >> > > Any ideas about where-to from here? >> > > In both distro's I get: >> > > 2009-02-11 14:28:12,3, huawei: Modem is not clear to send >> > > >> > > [root@genesis ~]# cat /etc/smsd.conf >> > > # Example smsd.conf. Read the manual for a description >> > > # devices = GSM1 >> > > devices = huawei >> > > outgoing = /var/spool/sms/outgoing >> > > checked = /var/spool/sms/checked >> > > failed = /var/spool/sms/failed >> > > incoming = /var/spool/sms/incoming >> > > sent = /var/spool/sms/sent >> > > stats = /var/log/smstools/smsd_stats >> > > logfile = /var/log/smsd.log >> > > loglevel = 7 >> > > >> > > # Modem configuration >> > > [huawei] >> > > device = /dev/ttyS0 >> > > incoming = yes >> > > baudrate = 115200 >> > > >> > > [GSM1] >> > > device = /dev/ttyS0 >> > > incoming = yes >> > > >> > > >> > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated >> > > > > What does 'sudo lspci' return? > > What does 'sudo tail -f /var/log/messages' show when you insert the device? > > I have this vague recall that Ubuntu also looks at /dev/hiddev? for some > USB hardware > > John > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz Wed Feb 11 23:02:04 2009 From: Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz (Chilling_Silence) Date: Wed Feb 11 23:02:20 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] smstools with Huawei E220 & no /dev/ttyUSB0 In-Reply-To: References: <2987f0d40902101730i1461bdefp767b99fc7638857b@mail.gmail.com> <778465350902101740y641e33fag1a946196c58db143@mail.gmail.com> <2987f0d40902101758r44eeebdexc377652e6f5465dc@mail.gmail.com> <20090211151554.0c1e0dd5.jrt746@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <2987f0d40902110202q709999dblb4a42c02ddb4cf9a@mail.gmail.com> Thanks all, Am at home at the moment but will try it again tomorrow when I get into work. It showed up as /dev/sg0 IIRC, and was a SCSI CDROM? Problem on the Ubuntu machine was it wasnt showing in lsusb at all, but it was on the CentOS box. Got the vodafonebetavine link, will see how I go, thanks :) BTW - Side note: "Which is the only company in SA which supplies ADSL lines?" On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Pieter De Wit wrote: > > Hi, > > The v-modem is a usb device - try "lsusb" rather. > > If the storage device is loaded - aka the Windows software - try the > following commands: > > rmmod usbstorage (might be usb-storage) > modprobe usbserial > > Look on www.myadsl.co.za under the forum for Linux and the E220 "fun and > games" > > Cheers, > > Pieter > > On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:15:54 +1300, John Rye wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:58:04 +1300 > > Chilling_Silence wrote: > > > >> No PIN on the SIM (At least I dont think -- Its one we just bought) > >> > >> Yeah sorry I was playing around with the conf, its been a combo of both > >> /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyUSB0 throughout the day as Ive tried a whole lot > >> of > >> different things > >> > >> To be honest Im not sure which version of Ubuntu its running, its just > >> one > >> that was on a machine here that the IT guy setup (Hes away for the week > >> and > >> gave me root access). > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Nardus Geldenhuys > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Hi There > >> > > >> > Witch version of ubuntu are you using ? Also note that you smsd.conf > >> > file > >> > is > >> > pointing to the wrong devices. It should be /dev/ttyUSB0 and not > >> > /dev/ttyS0. > >> > > >> > Also, did you disable the pin on the sim ? > >> > > >> > > >> > 2009/2/11 Chilling_Silence > >> > > >> > > Greetings all, > >> > > > >> > > So Ive got myself a Vodem and am trying to set it up so that I can > >> > > send / > >> > > receive SMS messages using smstools. > >> > > > >> > > Problem: It seems to function better under cygwin than Linux, at > >> > > least > >> > > under > >> > > cygwin I could set it to use com4 and it would actually acknowledge > >> > > the > >> > > modem. > >> > > > >> > > In Linux, neither Ubuntu nor CentOS5 (Both distros I had handy) were > >> > > able > >> > > to > >> > > find /dev/ttyUSB* after plugging it in. > >> > > > >> > > Having done a fair amount of reading thus far, I cant see why it > >> > > wouldnt > >> > be > >> > > creating it. > >> > > > >> > > That said, Ive found a few pages like this: > >> > > http://oozie.fm.interia.pl/pro/huawei-e220/ > >> > > as well as: http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ > >> > > > >> > > Unfortunately neither works on either distro. > >> > > CentOS5 is running: 2.6.18-53.1.19.el5 > >> > > Ubuntu is running: 2.6.22-14-server > >> > > > >> > > Any ideas about where-to from here? > >> > > In both distro's I get: > >> > > 2009-02-11 14:28:12,3, huawei: Modem is not clear to send > >> > > > >> > > [root@genesis ~]# cat /etc/smsd.conf > >> > > # Example smsd.conf. Read the manual for a description > >> > > # devices = GSM1 > >> > > devices = huawei > >> > > outgoing = /var/spool/sms/outgoing > >> > > checked = /var/spool/sms/checked > >> > > failed = /var/spool/sms/failed > >> > > incoming = /var/spool/sms/incoming > >> > > sent = /var/spool/sms/sent > >> > > stats = /var/log/smstools/smsd_stats > >> > > logfile = /var/log/smsd.log > >> > > loglevel = 7 > >> > > > >> > > # Modem configuration > >> > > [huawei] > >> > > device = /dev/ttyS0 > >> > > incoming = yes > >> > > baudrate = 115200 > >> > > > >> > > [GSM1] > >> > > device = /dev/ttyS0 > >> > > incoming = yes > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated > >> > > > > > > What does 'sudo lspci' return? > > > > What does 'sudo tail -f /var/log/messages' show when you insert the > device? > > > > I have this vague recall that Ubuntu also looks at /dev/hiddev? for some > > USB hardware > > > > John > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nardusg at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 09:15:37 2009 From: nardusg at gmail.com (Nardus Geldenhuys) Date: Thu Feb 12 09:16:12 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] smstools with Huawei E220 & no /dev/ttyUSB0 In-Reply-To: <2987f0d40902110202q709999dblb4a42c02ddb4cf9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <2987f0d40902101730i1461bdefp767b99fc7638857b@mail.gmail.com> <778465350902101740y641e33fag1a946196c58db143@mail.gmail.com> <2987f0d40902101758r44eeebdexc377652e6f5465dc@mail.gmail.com> <20090211151554.0c1e0dd5.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <2987f0d40902110202q709999dblb4a42c02ddb4cf9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <778465350902111215s33f7fa49u9d00524abb959a57@mail.gmail.com> There is only one land-line provider. And that is Telkom. Goverment owned and has a monopoly :) They also own 50 percent in Vodacom which is one of the mobile operators. There is a new bunch called Neotel but they only started last year. 2009/2/11 Chilling_Silence > Thanks all, > Am at home at the moment but will try it again tomorrow when I get into > work. > It showed up as /dev/sg0 IIRC, and was a SCSI CDROM? > > Problem on the Ubuntu machine was it wasnt showing in lsusb at all, but it > was on the CentOS box. > > Got the vodafonebetavine link, will see how I go, thanks :) > > BTW - Side note: > "Which is the only company in SA which supplies ADSL lines?" > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Pieter De Wit > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > The v-modem is a usb device - try "lsusb" rather. > > > > If the storage device is loaded - aka the Windows software - try the > > following commands: > > > > rmmod usbstorage (might be usb-storage) > > modprobe usbserial > > > > Look on www.myadsl.co.za under the forum for Linux and the E220 "fun and > > games" > > > > Cheers, > > > > Pieter > > > > On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:15:54 +1300, John Rye > wrote: > > > On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:58:04 +1300 > > > Chilling_Silence wrote: > > > > > >> No PIN on the SIM (At least I dont think -- Its one we just bought) > > >> > > >> Yeah sorry I was playing around with the conf, its been a combo of > both > > >> /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyUSB0 throughout the day as Ive tried a whole > lot > > >> of > > >> different things > > >> > > >> To be honest Im not sure which version of Ubuntu its running, its just > > >> one > > >> that was on a machine here that the IT guy setup (Hes away for the > week > > >> and > > >> gave me root access). > > >> > > >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Nardus Geldenhuys > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Hi There > > >> > > > >> > Witch version of ubuntu are you using ? Also note that you smsd.conf > > >> > file > > >> > is > > >> > pointing to the wrong devices. It should be /dev/ttyUSB0 and not > > >> > /dev/ttyS0. > > >> > > > >> > Also, did you disable the pin on the sim ? > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > 2009/2/11 Chilling_Silence > > >> > > > >> > > Greetings all, > > >> > > > > >> > > So Ive got myself a Vodem and am trying to set it up so that I can > > >> > > send / > > >> > > receive SMS messages using smstools. > > >> > > > > >> > > Problem: It seems to function better under cygwin than Linux, at > > >> > > least > > >> > > under > > >> > > cygwin I could set it to use com4 and it would actually > acknowledge > > >> > > the > > >> > > modem. > > >> > > > > >> > > In Linux, neither Ubuntu nor CentOS5 (Both distros I had handy) > were > > >> > > able > > >> > > to > > >> > > find /dev/ttyUSB* after plugging it in. > > >> > > > > >> > > Having done a fair amount of reading thus far, I cant see why it > > >> > > wouldnt > > >> > be > > >> > > creating it. > > >> > > > > >> > > That said, Ive found a few pages like this: > > >> > > http://oozie.fm.interia.pl/pro/huawei-e220/ > > >> > > as well as: http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ > > >> > > > > >> > > Unfortunately neither works on either distro. > > >> > > CentOS5 is running: 2.6.18-53.1.19.el5 > > >> > > Ubuntu is running: 2.6.22-14-server > > >> > > > > >> > > Any ideas about where-to from here? > > >> > > In both distro's I get: > > >> > > 2009-02-11 14:28:12,3, huawei: Modem is not clear to send > > >> > > > > >> > > [root@genesis ~]# cat /etc/smsd.conf > > >> > > # Example smsd.conf. Read the manual for a description > > >> > > # devices = GSM1 > > >> > > devices = huawei > > >> > > outgoing = /var/spool/sms/outgoing > > >> > > checked = /var/spool/sms/checked > > >> > > failed = /var/spool/sms/failed > > >> > > incoming = /var/spool/sms/incoming > > >> > > sent = /var/spool/sms/sent > > >> > > stats = /var/log/smstools/smsd_stats > > >> > > logfile = /var/log/smsd.log > > >> > > loglevel = 7 > > >> > > > > >> > > # Modem configuration > > >> > > [huawei] > > >> > > device = /dev/ttyS0 > > >> > > incoming = yes > > >> > > baudrate = 115200 > > >> > > > > >> > > [GSM1] > > >> > > device = /dev/ttyS0 > > >> > > incoming = yes > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated > > >> > > > > > > > > What does 'sudo lspci' return? > > > > > > What does 'sudo tail -f /var/log/messages' show when you insert the > > device? > > > > > > I have this vague recall that Ubuntu also looks at /dev/hiddev? for > some > > > USB hardware > > > > > > John > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > AuckLUG mailing list > > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From pieter at insync.za.net Thu Feb 12 15:50:36 2009 From: pieter at insync.za.net (Pieter De Wit) Date: Thu Feb 12 15:50:41 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] smstools with Huawei E220 & no /dev/ttyUSB0 In-Reply-To: <2987f0d40902110202q709999dblb4a42c02ddb4cf9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <2987f0d40902101730i1461bdefp767b99fc7638857b@mail.gmail.com> <778465350902101740y641e33fag1a946196c58db143@mail.gmail.com> <2987f0d40902101758r44eeebdexc377652e6f5465dc@mail.gmail.com> <20090211151554.0c1e0dd5.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <2987f0d40902110202q709999dblb4a42c02ddb4cf9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49938E7C.70309@insync.za.net> Haha - the search question ! :( It's "telkom" Chilling_Silence wrote: > Thanks all, > Am at home at the moment but will try it again tomorrow when I get into > work. > It showed up as /dev/sg0 IIRC, and was a SCSI CDROM? > > Problem on the Ubuntu machine was it wasnt showing in lsusb at all, but it > was on the CentOS box. > > Got the vodafonebetavine link, will see how I go, thanks :) > > BTW - Side note: > "Which is the only company in SA which supplies ADSL lines?" > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Pieter De Wit wrote: > > >> Hi, >> >> The v-modem is a usb device - try "lsusb" rather. >> >> If the storage device is loaded - aka the Windows software - try the >> following commands: >> >> rmmod usbstorage (might be usb-storage) >> modprobe usbserial >> >> Look on www.myadsl.co.za under the forum for Linux and the E220 "fun and >> games" >> >> Cheers, >> >> Pieter >> >> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:15:54 +1300, John Rye wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:58:04 +1300 >>> Chilling_Silence wrote: >>> >>> >>>> No PIN on the SIM (At least I dont think -- Its one we just bought) >>>> >>>> Yeah sorry I was playing around with the conf, its been a combo of both >>>> /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyUSB0 throughout the day as Ive tried a whole lot >>>> of >>>> different things >>>> >>>> To be honest Im not sure which version of Ubuntu its running, its just >>>> one >>>> that was on a machine here that the IT guy setup (Hes away for the week >>>> and >>>> gave me root access). >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Nardus Geldenhuys >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi There >>>>> >>>>> Witch version of ubuntu are you using ? Also note that you smsd.conf >>>>> file >>>>> is >>>>> pointing to the wrong devices. It should be /dev/ttyUSB0 and not >>>>> /dev/ttyS0. >>>>> >>>>> Also, did you disable the pin on the sim ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2009/2/11 Chilling_Silence >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Greetings all, >>>>>> >>>>>> So Ive got myself a Vodem and am trying to set it up so that I can >>>>>> send / >>>>>> receive SMS messages using smstools. >>>>>> >>>>>> Problem: It seems to function better under cygwin than Linux, at >>>>>> least >>>>>> under >>>>>> cygwin I could set it to use com4 and it would actually acknowledge >>>>>> the >>>>>> modem. >>>>>> >>>>>> In Linux, neither Ubuntu nor CentOS5 (Both distros I had handy) were >>>>>> able >>>>>> to >>>>>> find /dev/ttyUSB* after plugging it in. >>>>>> >>>>>> Having done a fair amount of reading thus far, I cant see why it >>>>>> wouldnt >>>>>> >>>>> be >>>>> >>>>>> creating it. >>>>>> >>>>>> That said, Ive found a few pages like this: >>>>>> http://oozie.fm.interia.pl/pro/huawei-e220/ >>>>>> as well as: http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately neither works on either distro. >>>>>> CentOS5 is running: 2.6.18-53.1.19.el5 >>>>>> Ubuntu is running: 2.6.22-14-server >>>>>> >>>>>> Any ideas about where-to from here? >>>>>> In both distro's I get: >>>>>> 2009-02-11 14:28:12,3, huawei: Modem is not clear to send >>>>>> >>>>>> [root@genesis ~]# cat /etc/smsd.conf >>>>>> # Example smsd.conf. Read the manual for a description >>>>>> # devices = GSM1 >>>>>> devices = huawei >>>>>> outgoing = /var/spool/sms/outgoing >>>>>> checked = /var/spool/sms/checked >>>>>> failed = /var/spool/sms/failed >>>>>> incoming = /var/spool/sms/incoming >>>>>> sent = /var/spool/sms/sent >>>>>> stats = /var/log/smstools/smsd_stats >>>>>> logfile = /var/log/smsd.log >>>>>> loglevel = 7 >>>>>> >>>>>> # Modem configuration >>>>>> [huawei] >>>>>> device = /dev/ttyS0 >>>>>> incoming = yes >>>>>> baudrate = 115200 >>>>>> >>>>>> [GSM1] >>>>>> device = /dev/ttyS0 >>>>>> incoming = yes >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Any assistance would be greatly appreciated >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> What does 'sudo lspci' return? >>> >>> What does 'sudo tail -f /var/log/messages' show when you insert the >>> >> device? >> >>> I have this vague recall that Ubuntu also looks at /dev/hiddev? for some >>> USB hardware >>> >>> John >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 16 16:47:04 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Feb 16 16:47:12 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] MythBuntu+ Message-ID: <887794.75315.qm@web25408.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To the MythTV/MythBuntu guys (including Simon, is it?) Been looking into the media *buntu's again recently (got a new PC :D ), especially VM-types, and considering options (FreeView, streaming services, podcasts, last.fm, , hulu, legal torrents, etc, etc), especially in VM environments Came accross this again that may be of interest: (only had time to look @ it now) http://feeds.arstechnica.com/~r/arstechnica/index/~3/7T--OXw528w/hands-on-neuros-link-an-ubuntu-based-media-extender.ars There's a few other nifty options: (1 here) http://www.boxee.tv/ http://feeds.wired.com/~r/wired/index/~3/XJpLesRklmo/how-to-turn-a-n.html www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/02/13/apple_tv_hacking_part_2/ Mate's been running VLC's web-interface & dynamic streming services, but I don't like tat too much (personally) I'm pretty happy watching media via Totem (MPlayer) on my netbook over WiFi; a lot simpler Also been trying to get CEC over HDMI to work, but that looks like a dead-end for the time being - Jaco From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 17 12:08:07 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Feb 17 12:08:15 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 45, Issue 17 Message-ID: <409601.75220.qm@web25406.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Oops! sry s/Simon/Steven/ From e.grimsdell at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 12:35:08 2009 From: e.grimsdell at gmail.com (Eugene Grimsdell) Date: Tue Feb 17 12:35:26 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG Irc Message-ID: <7b41d76d0902161535l21032ew4be7c032da5ceac6@mail.gmail.com> Hi, new here on da Island. Use to run with GLUG back in SA and just wondering if there is an IRC channle for AuckLug if so where how and why :) From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Feb 17 12:40:28 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Feb 17 12:40:42 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] LUG Irc In-Reply-To: <7b41d76d0902161535l21032ew4be7c032da5ceac6@mail.gmail.com> References: <7b41d76d0902161535l21032ew4be7c032da5ceac6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: No official one for 'da' AuckLUG. There are various channels aligned with some of the participants, however. #nzlinux on irc.freenode.net is probably a good start. Mark. On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Eugene Grimsdell wrote: > Hi, new here on da Island. > > Use to run with GLUG back in SA and just wondering if there is an IRC > channle for AuckLug > > if so where how and why :) > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz Tue Feb 17 17:05:46 2009 From: Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz (Chilling_Silence) Date: Tue Feb 17 17:05:51 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Photoshop CS3 in WINE / cxoffice / cedega Message-ID: <2987f0d40902162005o1e8de055hc5ee96b2859b7925@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Basically the boss got sick of Vista and so we chucked Kubuntu on his desktop. That wasnt the best move, but now we've converted it into a Ubuntu desktop hes tons happier. His last gripe is Photoshop CS3 and some version of Dreamweaver I believe. Anyways, during installation its crashing (Clever me forgot to email the logs home). Ive done tons and tons of Googl'ing and found very little, though there is winetricks script I believe thats installed a few extra goodies to help it get to the part where everythings extracted at least. I believe we've got Wine-1.1.14 Has anybody successfully got Photoshop CS3 running under WINE or cxoffice? Most of the bug reports at winehq seem to indicate X and Y would be fixed in 1.1.12 or 1.1.10 from what I remember, but they dont appear to be for me :( Will post the crash log tomorrow when I get back in to work. Cheers Chill. From liz at debian.co.nz Tue Feb 17 19:40:59 2009 From: liz at debian.co.nz (Liz Quilty) Date: Tue Feb 17 19:41:08 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Photoshop CS3 in WINE / cxoffice / cedega In-Reply-To: <2987f0d40902162005o1e8de055hc5ee96b2859b7925@mail.gmail.com> References: <2987f0d40902162005o1e8de055hc5ee96b2859b7925@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <499A5BFB.7050109@debian.co.nz> Chilling_Silence wrote: > Hi all, > Basically the boss got sick of Vista and so we chucked Kubuntu on his > desktop. That wasnt the best move, but now we've converted it into a Ubuntu > desktop hes tons happier. > > His last gripe is Photoshop CS3 and some version of Dreamweaver I believe. > Anyways, during installation its crashing (Clever me forgot to email the > logs home). Ive done tons and tons of Googl'ing and found very little, > though there is winetricks script I believe thats installed a few extra > goodies to help it get to the part where everythings extracted at least. > > I believe we've got Wine-1.1.14 > > Has anybody successfully got Photoshop CS3 running under WINE or cxoffice? > Most of the bug reports at winehq seem to indicate X and Y would be fixed in > 1.1.12 or 1.1.10 from what I remember, but they dont appear to be for me :( > > Will post the crash log tomorrow when I get back in to work. > > Under crossover it works fine - i presume you got crossover free when they gave it away? Liz From Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz Wed Feb 18 00:03:43 2009 From: Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz (Chilling_Silence) Date: Wed Feb 18 00:03:48 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Photoshop CS3 in WINE / cxoffice / cedega In-Reply-To: <499A5BFB.7050109@debian.co.nz> References: <2987f0d40902162005o1e8de055hc5ee96b2859b7925@mail.gmail.com> <499A5BFB.7050109@debian.co.nz> Message-ID: <2987f0d40902170303v3c44b8b0hcb18d431bae5f387@mail.gmail.com> Aaaah I wish, I found out about it only a few days after it ended :( I had a trial of version 6 lying around on a thumbdrive which I installed, didnt realize it was out of date, perhaps that'll fix the issues :) He's gone and spent mega-bucks buying Photoshop, Im sure a few extra dollars for Crossover Office (provided it works) shouldnt break the bank Will grab a trial of the latest from them then, thanks Liz! :) On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Liz Quilty wrote: > Chilling_Silence wrote: > >> Hi all, >> Basically the boss got sick of Vista and so we chucked Kubuntu on his >> desktop. That wasnt the best move, but now we've converted it into a >> Ubuntu >> desktop hes tons happier. >> >> His last gripe is Photoshop CS3 and some version of Dreamweaver I believe. >> Anyways, during installation its crashing (Clever me forgot to email the >> logs home). Ive done tons and tons of Googl'ing and found very little, >> though there is winetricks script I believe thats installed a few extra >> goodies to help it get to the part where everythings extracted at least. >> >> I believe we've got Wine-1.1.14 >> >> Has anybody successfully got Photoshop CS3 running under WINE or cxoffice? >> Most of the bug reports at winehq seem to indicate X and Y would be fixed >> in >> 1.1.12 or 1.1.10 from what I remember, but they dont appear to be for me >> :( >> >> Will post the crash log tomorrow when I get back in to work. >> >> >> > Under crossover it works fine - i presume you got crossover free when they > gave it away? > > Liz > > From swht at clear.net.nz Wed Feb 18 01:02:17 2009 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon) Date: Wed Feb 18 01:02:25 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Creative Freedom: against "accusation means guilt" Message-ID: <499AA749.7060506@clear.net.nz> Ought this not to be part of the Aucklug agenda? http://creativefreedom.org.nz/ Simon www.brazilcoffee.co.nz www.squarewhiteworld.com From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 06:16:27 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Feb 18 06:16:34 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Creative Freedom: against "accusation means guilt" In-Reply-To: <499AA749.7060506@clear.net.nz> References: <499AA749.7060506@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:02 AM, simon wrote: > Ought this not to be part of the Aucklug agenda? > > http://creativefreedom.org.nz/ > > Simon Not the AuckLUG agenda me thinks. While it's a concern to loads of us here, it's not really Linux related. Thanks for pointing out the fact that there is something out there to protest. I have to wonder. Is putting black images on your social networking pages (of which I now have none) going to be seen and have any effect whatsoever? It would be like me doing a hunger strike but not really telling anyone I'm doing a hunger strike. I don't imagine it'll make any difference on whatever I'm protesting. From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Feb 18 06:55:54 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Feb 18 06:56:08 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Creative Freedom: against "accusation means guilt" In-Reply-To: References: <499AA749.7060506@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, Nevyn wrote: > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:02 AM, simon wrote: >> Ought this not to be part of the Aucklug agenda? >> >> http://creativefreedom.org.nz/ >> >> Simon > > Not the AuckLUG agenda me thinks. While it's a concern to loads of us > here, it's not really Linux related. Thanks for pointing out the fact > that there is something out there to protest. > > I have to wonder. Is putting black images on your social networking > pages (of which I now have none) going to be seen and have any effect > whatsoever? It would be like me doing a hunger strike but not really > telling anyone I'm doing a hunger strike. I don't imagine it'll make > any difference on whatever I'm protesting. I happen to know that my local MP is an active facebook user. As are a couple of politico's I know. Also there are people in my friend list who were not aware of CFF and now are, thanks to my 'black out'. It's about raising awareness. Every MP has people on their staff who would use Social Networking sites, for example... Even the PM uses Facebook, or so his political campaign would have you believe. ;-) The subject matter is actually quite valid for a LUG discussion, IMHO, because despite the 'free' nature of Linux there are copyright issues there too. Lynne Pope (key player in 'Mambo') has been quite vocal, as her entire involvement with the project may be at risk thanks to this law. http://lynnepope.net I believe her site is. http://nzoss.org.nz is worth a read too. If at a LUG meeting people feel they want to discuss / have questions answered / raise awareness I personally would support it. Mark. From rosscoad at slingshot.co.nz Wed Feb 18 07:10:25 2009 From: rosscoad at slingshot.co.nz (Ross) Date: Wed Feb 18 07:10:35 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Creative Freedom: against "accusation means guilt" In-Reply-To: References: <499AA749.7060506@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <499AFD91.8000504@slingshot.co.nz> Nevyn wrote: > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:02 AM, simon wrote: >> Ought this not to be part of the Aucklug agenda? >> >> http://creativefreedom.org.nz/ >> >> Simon > > Not the AuckLUG agenda me thinks. While it's a concern to loads of us > here, it's not really Linux related. Thanks for pointing out the fact > that there is something out there to protest. > Users of this mail list are internet users and therefore are likely to be affected by section 92A (in one way or another). Although not directly related to Linux it is going to affect Linux users the same as it will affect everyone else who uses the internet. The more places where this is discussed, the more people who will see it and hopefully act on it. > I have to wonder. Is putting black images on your social networking > pages (of which I now have none) going to be seen and have any effect > whatsoever? It would be like me doing a hunger strike but not really > telling anyone I'm doing a hunger strike. I don't imagine it'll make > any difference on whatever I'm protesting. Doing *something* will certainly have more chance of catching someone's eye than doing nothing. I also have no social networking page but am looking at setting one up for the blackout. Maybe one person will stumble on my page and sign the petition or write to their MP etc. One more name on the petition is one more chance that our government will wake up and stop section 92A passing into law as it stands. Ross. From mustafa_chittalwala at hotmail.com Wed Feb 18 07:11:12 2009 From: mustafa_chittalwala at hotmail.com (mustafa_chittalwala@hotmail.com) Date: Wed Feb 18 07:11:20 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Vacation reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ?? Heya,how are you doing recently ? you a very good company which i knew.Their websit [1]www.easepurchase.com? .They can offer you all kinds of e lectronical products which you need like laptops ,gps ,TV LCD,cell ph take some time to hav like to purchase . Their co [3]easepurchase@hotmail.com Hope you hav Regards References Visible links 1. 3D"http://www.easepurchase.com/" 2. 3D"mailto:easepurchase@188 3. 3D"mailto:easepurchas Hidden links: 4. 3D"mailto:easepurchase@hotmail.com" 5. ="mailto:easepurchase@188.com" From envy0pla at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 07:20:53 2009 From: envy0pla at gmail.com (Envy0pla) Date: Wed Feb 18 07:21:05 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Creative Freedom: against "accusation means guilt" In-Reply-To: References: <499AA749.7060506@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <4f16d9210902171020v4c1fd41cn803c890035d0244@mail.gmail.com> I have to admit to being confused as to why half my friends on facebook did not have a picture anymore lol. Turns out they are all blacked out and so in support I have blacked out mine too. I think its interesting to see the spread of support and technology being used as a very modern way to protest, I have politicians on my facebook, I hope they are noticing the blackouts on their friends lists too. :) Just in case I have been downloading all the distro's I might ever want to play with before this comes into effect, just in case excessive downloads flag anyone's attention. On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Nevyn wrote: > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:02 AM, simon wrote: > > Ought this not to be part of the Aucklug agenda? > > > > http://creativefreedom.org.nz/ > > > > Simon > > Not the AuckLUG agenda me thinks. While it's a concern to loads of us > here, it's not really Linux related. Thanks for pointing out the fact > that there is something out there to protest. > > I have to wonder. Is putting black images on your social networking > pages (of which I now have none) going to be seen and have any effect > whatsoever? It would be like me doing a hunger strike but not really > telling anyone I'm doing a hunger strike. I don't imagine it'll make > any difference on whatever I'm protesting. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Feb 18 08:03:58 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Feb 18 08:04:06 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Vacation reply In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46475.119.15.0.26.1234897438.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> On Wed, February 18, 2009 7:11 am, mustafa_chittalwala@hotmail.com wrote: > > ?? Heya,how are you doing recently ? = I would like to introduce > you a very good company which i knew.Their websit= e is? Poster removed. Interesting that people still take the time to subscribe to mailing lists in order to spam their wares... ! From Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz Wed Feb 18 10:13:51 2009 From: Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz (Chilling_Silence) Date: Wed Feb 18 10:13:58 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Photoshop CS3 in WINE / cxoffice / cedega In-Reply-To: <2987f0d40902170303v3c44b8b0hcb18d431bae5f387@mail.gmail.com> References: <2987f0d40902162005o1e8de055hc5ee96b2859b7925@mail.gmail.com> <499A5BFB.7050109@debian.co.nz> <2987f0d40902170303v3c44b8b0hcb18d431bae5f387@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2987f0d40902171313r62f6f03fjbf389b62497ae899@mail.gmail.com> Got in and tried the latest trial of Crossover Office 7, no joy. Basically once its extracted the files, the installer doesnt even appear. Grabbed the trial of CS4 from the Adobe Website to try that, no joy there either. The following is the log, left it sitting for around about 90 seconds with nothing on-screen so I hit "Installation finished". http://pastebin.ca/1340441 No idea whats going wrong to be honest. Worth flicking a copy of the log off to Codeweavers support team perhaps? On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Chilling_Silence < Chilling_Silence@orcon.net.nz> wrote: > Aaaah I wish, I found out about it only a few days after it ended :( > I had a trial of version 6 lying around on a thumbdrive which I installed, > didnt realize it was out of date, perhaps that'll fix the issues :) He's > gone and spent mega-bucks buying Photoshop, Im sure a few extra dollars for > Crossover Office (provided it works) shouldnt break the bank > > Will grab a trial of the latest from them then, thanks Liz! :) > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Liz Quilty wrote: > >> Chilling_Silence wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> Basically the boss got sick of Vista and so we chucked Kubuntu on his >>> desktop. That wasnt the best move, but now we've converted it into a >>> Ubuntu >>> desktop hes tons happier. >>> >>> His last gripe is Photoshop CS3 and some version of Dreamweaver I >>> believe. >>> Anyways, during installation its crashing (Clever me forgot to email the >>> logs home). Ive done tons and tons of Googl'ing and found very little, >>> though there is winetricks script I believe thats installed a few extra >>> goodies to help it get to the part where everythings extracted at least. >>> >>> I believe we've got Wine-1.1.14 >>> >>> Has anybody successfully got Photoshop CS3 running under WINE or >>> cxoffice? >>> Most of the bug reports at winehq seem to indicate X and Y would be fixed >>> in >>> 1.1.12 or 1.1.10 from what I remember, but they dont appear to be for me >>> :( >>> >>> Will post the crash log tomorrow when I get back in to work. >>> >>> >>> >> Under crossover it works fine - i presume you got crossover free when they >> gave it away? >> >> Liz >> >> > From liz at debian.co.nz Wed Feb 18 10:16:34 2009 From: liz at debian.co.nz (Liz) Date: Wed Feb 18 10:16:36 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Photoshop CS3 in WINE / cxoffice / cedega In-Reply-To: <2987f0d40902171313r62f6f03fjbf389b62497ae899@mail.gmail.com> References: <2987f0d40902162005o1e8de055hc5ee96b2859b7925@mail.gmail.com> <499A5BFB.7050109@debian.co.nz> <2987f0d40902170303v3c44b8b0hcb18d431bae5f387@mail.gmail.com> <2987f0d40902171313r62f6f03fjbf389b62497ae899@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <499B2932.30900@debian.co.nz> Chilling_Silence wrote: > Got in and tried the latest trial of Crossover Office 7, no joy. Basically > once its extracted the files, the installer doesnt even appear. > > Grabbed the trial of CS4 from the Adobe Website to try that, no joy there > either. The following is the log, left it sitting for around about 90 > seconds with nothing on-screen so I hit "Installation finished". > > http://pastebin.ca/1340441 > > No idea whats going wrong to be honest. Worth flicking a copy of the log off > to Codeweavers support team perhaps? > Well if you got the free one it did come with a year of support iirc :) Besides, im sure they want it to work correctly. Liz > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Chilling_Silence < > Chilling_Silence@orcon.net.nz> wrote: > > >> Aaaah I wish, I found out about it only a few days after it ended :( >> I had a trial of version 6 lying around on a thumbdrive which I installed, >> didnt realize it was out of date, perhaps that'll fix the issues :) He's >> gone and spent mega-bucks buying Photoshop, Im sure a few extra dollars for >> Crossover Office (provided it works) shouldnt break the bank >> >> Will grab a trial of the latest from them then, thanks Liz! :) >> >> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Liz Quilty wrote: >> >> >>> Chilling_Silence wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> Basically the boss got sick of Vista and so we chucked Kubuntu on his >>>> desktop. That wasnt the best move, but now we've converted it into a >>>> Ubuntu >>>> desktop hes tons happier. >>>> >>>> His last gripe is Photoshop CS3 and some version of Dreamweaver I >>>> believe. >>>> Anyways, during installation its crashing (Clever me forgot to email the >>>> logs home). Ive done tons and tons of Googl'ing and found very little, >>>> though there is winetricks script I believe thats installed a few extra >>>> goodies to help it get to the part where everythings extracted at least. >>>> >>>> I believe we've got Wine-1.1.14 >>>> >>>> Has anybody successfully got Photoshop CS3 running under WINE or >>>> cxoffice? >>>> Most of the bug reports at winehq seem to indicate X and Y would be fixed >>>> in >>>> 1.1.12 or 1.1.10 from what I remember, but they dont appear to be for me >>>> :( >>>> >>>> Will post the crash log tomorrow when I get back in to work. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Under crossover it works fine - i presume you got crossover free when they >>> gave it away? >>> >>> Liz >>> >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz Wed Feb 18 10:25:33 2009 From: Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz (Chilling_Silence) Date: Wed Feb 18 10:25:44 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Photoshop CS3 in WINE / cxoffice / cedega In-Reply-To: <499B2932.30900@debian.co.nz> References: <2987f0d40902162005o1e8de055hc5ee96b2859b7925@mail.gmail.com> <499A5BFB.7050109@debian.co.nz> <2987f0d40902170303v3c44b8b0hcb18d431bae5f387@mail.gmail.com> <2987f0d40902171313r62f6f03fjbf389b62497ae899@mail.gmail.com> <499B2932.30900@debian.co.nz> Message-ID: <2987f0d40902171325q52143071s31925d12a6d6954@mail.gmail.com> Unfortunately I just found this in the last 2-3 minutes, doesnt stir up much hope in me: http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=4854;run=1 Apparently only CS2 works & is supported, but we've already got CS3 and I dont believe Adobe offer any "downgrade" license options :-/ On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Liz wrote: > > Well if you got the free one it did come with a year of support iirc :) > Besides, im sure they want it to work correctly. > > Liz From kiirani at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 18:30:20 2009 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Wed Feb 18 18:30:45 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Photoshop CS3 in WINE / cxoffice / cedega In-Reply-To: <2987f0d40902162005o1e8de055hc5ee96b2859b7925@mail.gmail.com> References: <2987f0d40902162005o1e8de055hc5ee96b2859b7925@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2494ad260902172130w15d7fd51xef1294b9314ec9fa@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/17 Chilling_Silence : > Hi all, > Basically the boss got sick of Vista and so we chucked Kubuntu on his > desktop. That wasnt the best move, but now we've converted it into a Ubuntu > desktop hes tons happier. > > His last gripe is Photoshop CS3 and some version of Dreamweaver I believe. This may be silly, but if your boss relies on products like photoshop and doesn't want to use vista, why didn't you put him on a mac? Unfortunately I can't help you with your photoshop problem... Although I've got macromedia/adobe fireworks working in wine before, so I don't see why dreamweaver wouldn't work. If you have no luck and he doesn't rely too heavily on photoshop's fancier features, you might try putting him on gimp: http://www.gimp.org/ And there are plenty of open source apps for code editing. Can't recommend you any of them fancy clicky ones though... I use vim. :P From josephhenryblack at yahoo.co.nz Wed Feb 18 22:27:27 2009 From: josephhenryblack at yahoo.co.nz (JHB) Date: Wed Feb 18 22:29:50 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Photoshop CS3 in WINE / cxoffice / cedega In-Reply-To: <2987f0d40902171313r62f6f03fjbf389b62497ae899@mail.gmail.com> References: <2987f0d40902162005o1e8de055hc5ee96b2859b7925@mail.gmail.com> <499A5BFB.7050109@debian.co.nz> <2987f0d40902170303v3c44b8b0hcb18d431bae5f387@mail.gmail.com> <2987f0d40902171313r62f6f03fjbf389b62497ae899@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <499BD47F.4040402@yahoo.co.nz> Chilling_Silence wrote: > Got in and tried the latest trial of Crossover Office 7, no joy. Basically > once its extracted the files, the installer doesnt even appear. > > Grabbed the trial of CS4 from the Adobe Website to try that, no joy there > either. The following is the log, left it sitting for around about 90 > seconds with nothing on-screen so I hit "Installation finished". > > http://pastebin.ca/1340441 > > No idea whats going wrong to be honest. Worth flicking a copy of the log off > to Codeweavers support team perhaps? > > snip while no wine guru, it might be interesting to try with wine, grab the latest winetricks http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=6584 hmm, http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15590 mentions a regression - keep an eye out in case you run into this. ah. this might help.. http://wiki.winehq.org/AdobePhotoshop perhaps install vbrun (try 6). Also it is usually a good idea to install gecko and corefonts - you can get some weird error messages without them. At least it would be a good start before you try installing CS3. Make a copy of the .wine folder created and if you run into trouble, you might play with different winetricks options it if does not install right off. The appdb suggests it will run but not in all aspects but looking at it, it is an older rating, and appears to not be a clean wine, so you might get further. Not sure I would want the boss attempting to be working on it in earnest, seeing as it is not running as platinum. jb From ronw at paradise.net.nz Sun Feb 22 18:43:40 2009 From: ronw at paradise.net.nz (Ron Wilson) Date: Sun Feb 22 18:43:57 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Photoshop CS3 in WINE / cxoffice / cedega In-Reply-To: <2987f0d40902171325q52143071s31925d12a6d6954@mail.gmail.com> References: <2987f0d40902162005o1e8de055hc5ee96b2859b7925@mail.gmail.com> <499A5BFB.7050109@debian.co.nz> <2987f0d40902170303v3c44b8b0hcb18d431bae5f387@mail.gmail.com> <2987f0d40902171313r62f6f03fjbf389b62497ae899@mail.gmail.com> <499B2932.30900@debian.co.nz> <2987f0d40902171325q52143071s31925d12a6d6954@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1235281420.5655.9.camel@localhost> Just a thought but why don't you use Gimp with the Photoshop plugins I understand nowdays that you can even make Gimp behave and look like Photoshop See here for more http://laptoplogic.com/resources/configuring-gimp-2.6-to-replace-adobe-photoshop ------------------- Ron Wilson It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail. -- Gore Vidal On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 10:25 +1300, Chilling_Silence wrote: > Unfortunately I just found this in the last 2-3 minutes, doesnt stir up much > hope in me: > http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=4854;run=1 > > Apparently only CS2 works & is supported, but we've already got CS3 and I > dont believe Adobe offer any "downgrade" license options :-/ > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Liz wrote: > > > > > Well if you got the free one it did come with a year of support iirc :) > > Besides, im sure they want it to work correctly. > > > > Liz > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From rosscoad at slingshot.co.nz Fri Feb 27 11:55:13 2009 From: rosscoad at slingshot.co.nz (Ross) Date: Fri Feb 27 11:55:22 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] [Fwd: [nzlug] (Linux) Internet Assist North Shore] Message-ID: <49A71DD1.1060900@slingshot.co.nz> I thought this might be of some interest to those on this list. Ross. All In response to an article by Path Booth "The sad plight of the unconnected", we are starting up "*Internet Assist North Shore*". Key points: - Open Source software (Linux, OO, etc...) - Support ad enable families and individuals who want to get online, but can't afford a computer and / or access - Volunteer efforts - People donate PCs / parts, maybe even access (wifi, modems, whatever works) - Internet Assist helps those who can't afford it get online (if we can) - volunteers may be able to provide some training, too. Web site: http://internetassistnorthshore.blogspot.com Email: internetassist@gmail.com Phone: 021-0267-3530 (send txt or leave a voice message) Twitter: http://twitter.com/IANSNZ Anyone on the North Shore (or anywhere else in AK) want to get involved? Steve Withers Internet Assist North Shore From robin.paulson at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 12:33:33 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Fri Feb 27 12:33:43 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] [Fwd: [nzlug] (Linux) Internet Assist North Shore] In-Reply-To: <49A71DD1.1060900@slingshot.co.nz> References: <49A71DD1.1060900@slingshot.co.nz> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770902261533k1480baach90f2fa9c924ec5e3@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/27 Ross : > Key points: > > ? - Open Source software (Linux, OO, etc...) > ? - Support ad enable families and individuals who want to get online, > ? but can't afford a computer and / or access > ? - Volunteer efforts > ? - People donate PCs / parts, maybe even access (wifi, modems, whatever > works) > ? - Internet Assist helps those who can't afford it get online (if we can) > ? - volunteers may be able to provide some training, too. > > Web site: http://internetassistnorthshore.blogspot.com > > Email: internetassist@gmail.com > > Phone: 021-0267-3530 (send txt or leave a voice message) > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/IANSNZ > > Anyone on the North Shore (or anywhere else in AK) want to get involved? yeah, i read that article too - interesting piece; the never-ending march of progress... i'm in the city, and i'd like to get involved - i don't think i have any hardware to donate, but i'd be glad to help as a tech-support/trainer/maintainer i think whoever does this may have to be careful that it's purely about helping people get online, and there isn't too much political stuff around pushing free software From rosscoad at slingshot.co.nz Fri Feb 27 13:16:45 2009 From: rosscoad at slingshot.co.nz (Ross) Date: Fri Feb 27 13:16:52 2009 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [AuckLUG] [Fwd: [nzlug] (Linux) Internet Assist North Shore]] Message-ID: <49A730ED.3050705@slingshot.co.nz> .... Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/2/27 Ross : > >> Key points: >> >> - Open Source software (Linux, OO, etc...) >> - Support ad enable families and individuals who want to get online, >> but can't afford a computer and / or access >> - Volunteer efforts >> - People donate PCs / parts, maybe even access (wifi, modems, whatever >> works) >> - Internet Assist helps those who can't afford it get online (if we can) >> - volunteers may be able to provide some training, too. >> >> Web site: http://internetassistnorthshore.blogspot.com >> >> Email: internetassist@gmail.com >> >> Phone: 021-0267-3530 (send txt or leave a voice message) >> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/IANSNZ >> >> Anyone on the North Shore (or anywhere else in AK) want to get involved? >> > > i'm in the city, and i'd like to get involved - i don't think i have > any hardware to donate, but i'd be glad to help as a > tech-support/trainer/maintainer > > i think whoever does this may have to be careful that it's purely > about helping people get online, and there isn't too much political > stuff around pushing free software > I am not involved with the organisation although I did volunteer to help those who cannot afford it to get computers and get online. I just forwarded to this list (with OP's approval) after reading on NZLUG list. As the organiser is not subscribed to this list is probably best for you to go to the website or use the email address provided to volunteer or discuss the political situation. Cheers, Ross. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Fri Feb 27 14:56:50 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Fri Feb 27 14:57:00 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] re: IANSNZ Message-ID: <794337.25368.qm@web25401.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Timing sux (24 Feb?), but I'd be willing to help. Got some old-ish kit (old laptop & a semi-decent HP), and have various distro's There was talk of having a "practical" for the next AuckLUG meet, but I think ppl got sidetracked (NOT distracted) by the blackout campaign. Have you got a venue & some ideas? Sponsors & recipients? This w/end's pretty bad 4 me (o! & Womad w/end too ;) ), but other than that, I'm game Cheers - Jaco P.S If you're planning on making this a regular event, would you mind starting to work towards the SFD? From martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz Fri Feb 27 18:50:43 2009 From: martin at kurahaupo.gen.nz (Martin Kealey) Date: Fri Feb 27 18:50:55 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Auckland Linux Users' Group meeting MONDAY 2 March 2009 Message-ID: Same bat time, same bat channel. The regular monthly meeting of the Auckland Linux Users' Group will be at the Vodafone building at 19:00 on Monday (three days away). Topics: * a (brief!) update on Copyright Law, and what's in the TCF CoP * a tutorial on bash / shell scripting * general Q&A about Linux, fixing problems etc For those who want it, dinner beforehand at Subway in the Fanshaw St Caltex station. For those still awake, refreshments afterwards at The Drake, behind Victoria Park Market. Free parking nearby on Halsey St. And I'll be there on time to let everyone in this time! -Martin From nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz Fri Feb 27 21:31:41 2009 From: nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz (Glen Ogilvie) Date: Fri Feb 27 21:32:00 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Auckland Linux Users' Group meeting MONDAY 2 March 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200902272131.48072.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> Hi, See you there for dinner at Subway, around 18:30. Regards Glen Ogilvie On Friday 27 February 2009, Martin Kealey wrote: > Same bat time, same bat channel. > > The regular monthly meeting of the Auckland Linux Users' Group will be at > the Vodafone building at 19:00 on Monday (three days away). > > Topics: > > * a (brief!) update on Copyright Law, and what's in the TCF CoP > * a tutorial on bash / shell scripting > * general Q&A about Linux, fixing problems etc > > For those who want it, dinner beforehand at Subway in the Fanshaw St Caltex > station. > > For those still awake, refreshments afterwards at The Drake, behind > Victoria Park Market. > > Free parking nearby on Halsey St. > > And I'll be there on time to let everyone in this time! > > -Martin > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/aucklug/attachments/20090227/a814e66f/attachment.pgp