From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 08:59:17 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Aug 4 08:59:50 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] openstreetmap, some links Message-ID: <2f3aa2770908031359n3240c467qc289a513472b324d@mail.gmail.com> hi all, further to what i was saying last night, here's a few links you might find useful: openstreetmap: http://openstreetmap.org openstreetmap wiki, with help on editing: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org the open cycle map: http://opencyclemap.org the open sea map http://openseamap.org the open piste map http://openpistemap.org new zealand page on the osm wiki, where most coordination/info on imports is logged: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NZ for those of you looking for unnamed streets to complete, there is a tile set called 'NoName', which highlights all unnamed roads in red. here's an example for new windosr/owairaka, which martin k was asking about: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-36.9012&lon=174.7175&zoom=14&layers=000BFTF if you click the blue and white 'plus' symbol at top-right, that will show other tile sets, including the cycle map, with contours to the guy (sorry, didn't get your name) asking about my phone, it's an openmoko freerunner, and no it's not extinct: www.openmoko.org www.openmoko.com there are thousands more pages on the wiki, devoted to how to map, how to collect data, what the data is used for, technical details of various parts, software to view/edit the data, etc., etc jaco, i'll take a look later, to see if the software youw ant is available new zealand osm discussion group/mailing list: http://groups.google.com/group/nzopengis a car/cycle/foot routing engine, using osm data: http://maps.cloudmade.com if there's anything else you'd like to know about, try a search on the wiki, or ask me, and i'll see if i can help cheers rob From boxen_foxen at maddaz.com Tue Aug 4 11:28:46 2009 From: boxen_foxen at maddaz.com (Boxen Foxen) Date: Tue Aug 4 11:29:04 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] OT: Request For Assistance Message-ID: <862861130908031628s457e05dcs9288f02634551316@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I live in an internet-challenged bach on the Hibiscus Coast and have no access to the WWW. Recently I redid my desktop system with Debian Lenny and XFCE using a full standard Lenny CDROM install set (4 disk). Now I need to update my system and would like to install some fairly non-standard apps with full dev libraries so I can play happily at home. It would be a full system update and probably 100MB maximum of additional applications, if that. Am unable to access the WWW at work on a non-office system, so I would like to ask if someone would be willing to donate or sell some access time to their "internet" so I can get things sorted? Am moving house in next 2 months but cannot wait until then. Willing to pay either in NZD or Six pack(s) of beer or something else that you may feel is a fair trade. Thanks in advance, BF. P.S. Prefer to travel to somewhere near the CBD or anywhere north of the bridge but will go south if required. -- Boxen Foxen Auckland New Zealand ------------------------------- Browser - http://www.mozilla.com Encryption - http://www.gnupg.org Freedom - http://creativefreedom.org.nz Operating System - http://www.debian.org From thetoolman at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 11:45:29 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Tue Aug 4 11:45:42 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] OT: Request For Assistance In-Reply-To: <862861130908031628s457e05dcs9288f02634551316@mail.gmail.com> References: <862861130908031628s457e05dcs9288f02634551316@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Welcome to my 20mbit connection in Avondale if you wanna come out west after hours. Drop me a personal email if interested. I pay orcon $2/Gb overage, so a beer would easily cover that ... Toolman 2009/8/4 Boxen Foxen > Hi All, > > I live in an internet-challenged bach on the Hibiscus Coast and have no > access to the WWW. Recently I redid my desktop system with Debian Lenny and > XFCE using a full standard Lenny CDROM install set (4 disk). > > Now I need to update my system and would like to install some fairly > non-standard apps with full dev libraries so I can play happily at home. It > would be a full system update and probably 100MB maximum of additional > applications, if that. > > Am unable to access the WWW at work on a non-office system, so I would like > to ask if someone would be willing to donate or sell some access time to > their "internet" so I can get things sorted? Am moving house in next 2 > months but cannot wait until then. > > Willing to pay either in NZD or Six pack(s) of beer or something else that > you may feel is a fair trade. > > Thanks in advance, BF. > > P.S. Prefer to travel to somewhere near the CBD or anywhere north of the > bridge but will go south if required. > -- > Boxen Foxen > Auckland New Zealand > ------------------------------- > Browser - http://www.mozilla.com > Encryption - http://www.gnupg.org > Freedom - http://creativefreedom.org.nz > Operating System - http://www.debian.org > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 0541287 From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 12:07:59 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Aug 4 12:08:43 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] OT: Request For Assistance In-Reply-To: References: <862861130908031628s457e05dcs9288f02634551316@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Boxen, I've got a slow connection (256k) but do run a lenny system or two and have apt-cacher installed so chances are I have most of the packages you need cached anyway. If you're coming to the meeting tomorrow, we could set it up to do the updates, go to the meeting and then grab your 'puter... Mt Eden. No excess costs necessary. Regards, Nevyn. On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Tim Toolman wrote: > Welcome to my 20mbit connection in Avondale if you wanna come out west after > hours. ?Drop me a personal email if interested. I pay orcon $2/Gb overage, > so a beer would easily cover that ... > > Toolman > > 2009/8/4 Boxen Foxen > >> Hi All, >> >> I live in an internet-challenged bach on the Hibiscus Coast and have no >> access to the WWW. Recently I redid my desktop system with Debian Lenny and >> XFCE using a full standard Lenny CDROM install set (4 disk). >> >> Now I need to update my system and would like to install some fairly >> non-standard apps with full dev libraries so I can play happily at home. It >> would be a full system update and probably 100MB maximum of additional >> applications, if that. >> >> Am unable to access the WWW at work on a non-office system, so I would like >> to ask if someone would be willing to donate or sell some access time to >> their "internet" so I can get things sorted? Am moving house in next 2 >> months but cannot wait until then. >> >> Willing to pay either in NZD or Six pack(s) of beer or something else that >> you may feel is a fair trade. >> >> Thanks in advance, BF. >> >> P.S. Prefer to travel to somewhere near the CBD or anywhere north of the >> bridge but will go south if required. >> -- >> Boxen Foxen >> Auckland New Zealand >> ------------------------------- >> Browser - ?http://www.mozilla.com >> Encryption - http://www.gnupg.org >> Freedom - http://creativefreedom.org.nz >> Operating System - http://www.debian.org >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > > > -- > Tim Taylor > +64 21 0541287 > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 12:11:53 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Aug 4 12:12:03 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] openstreetmap, some links In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770908031359n3240c467qc289a513472b324d@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770908031359n3240c467qc289a513472b324d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Robin Paulson wrote: > to the guy (sorry, didn't get your name) asking about my phone, it's > an openmoko freerunner, and no it's not extinct: > www.openmoko.org > www.openmoko.com I did mention to a couple of people last night that it's getting a new lease on life. The article I was talking about is here: http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/Openmoko-Gets-New-Life-in-Brazil-After-Being-Declared-Dead Great seeing Maddog being out there and active.... From boxen_foxen at maddaz.com Tue Aug 4 12:16:11 2009 From: boxen_foxen at maddaz.com (Boxen Foxen) Date: Tue Aug 4 12:16:21 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] OT: Request For Assistance In-Reply-To: References: <862861130908031628s457e05dcs9288f02634551316@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <862861130908031716s20a63dfcy7f9d2079e81b3094@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Nevyn, Unfortunately I am off to the Coromandel for work tomorrow and will not be able to make the meeting. Also Tim the Tool Man has me sorted with access to his fast pipe. Cheers BF. On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Nevyn wrote: > Hi Boxen, > > I've got a slow connection (256k) but do run a lenny system or two and > have apt-cacher installed so chances are I have most of the packages > you need cached anyway. If you're coming to the meeting tomorrow, we > could set it up to do the updates, go to the meeting and then grab > your 'puter... > > Mt Eden. No excess costs necessary. > > Regards, > Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 12:17:46 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Aug 4 12:18:41 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Linux in schools meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Nevyn wrote: > Hi guys, > > Announcing the first "Linux in Schools" (really bad working name) > meeting to be held on Wednesday 26th of August at 7pm at: > > Dominion > 234 Dominion Road > Mt Eden, 1024 > Auckland > http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=234+dominion+rd,+Mt+Eden,+Auckland+1024&sll=-36.875759,174.751298&sspn=0.012136,0.019119&ie=UTF8&z=16&iwloc=A > > We should probably come up with an agenda: > 1. Brief description of the organisation and projects. > 2. Name is needed for such an organisation. > 3. Discussion on individual projects. > > Regards, > Nevyn. Oh crap.... It was pointed out yesterday at the AuckLUG meeting that I may have gotten my dates wrong on the my post for this meeting. I had thought I had put tomorrow's date on it. In which case, it's probably too late to do anything for tomorrow night. We could move it forward though. I was hoping to have the mailing list and that sort of thing all established by the end of the month so the 26th is probably a tad too late for a meeting... Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 13:29:24 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Aug 4 13:31:13 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Linux in schools meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Nevyn wrote: > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Nevyn wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> Announcing the first "Linux in Schools" (really bad working name) >> meeting to be held on Wednesday 26th of August at 7pm at: >> >> Dominion >> 234 Dominion Road >> Mt Eden, 1024 >> Auckland >> http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=234+dominion+rd,+Mt+Eden,+Auckland+1024&sll=-36.875759,174.751298&sspn=0.012136,0.019119&ie=UTF8&z=16&iwloc=A >> >> We should probably come up with an agenda: >> 1. Brief description of the organisation and projects. >> 2. Name is needed for such an organisation. >> 3. Discussion on individual projects. >> >> Regards, >> Nevyn. > > Oh crap.... > > It was pointed out yesterday at the AuckLUG meeting that I may have > gotten my dates wrong on the my post for this meeting. I had thought I > had put tomorrow's date on it. > > In which case, it's probably too late to do anything for tomorrow > night. We could move it forward though. I was hoping to have the > mailing list and that sort of thing all established by the end of the > month so the 26th is probably a tad too late for a meeting... > > Regards, > Nevyn. How does the 12th sound to everyone? (next week Wednesday) From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 13:37:46 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Aug 4 13:37:58 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting Venue Message-ID: Hi guys, We've got a bit of a situation with our venue at the moment. You may have noticed that it's really quiet at RvB on a Monday night (I think there was one gamer the whole time we were there) so they've asked if we could possibly move the night. Now I've always avoided the topic always stating that we've always done it on the Monday night. And it's for one really simple reason. We're about to have a really horrid conversation about which night would suit us best. So, we've got two options here. Either we: a) Avoid the conversation altogether and find another venue. b) We do change our night and keep using RvB. Bearing in mind that there's always going be someone where a particular day of the week is going to be an issue, we need a sane way of deciding a change in day if that's what we really deem necessary. I think we can assume that Friday/Saturday/Sunday are out. Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 13:56:57 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Aug 4 13:57:10 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Meeting Venue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Nevyn wrote: > Hi guys, > > We've got a bit of a situation with our venue at the moment. You may > have noticed that it's really quiet at RvB on a Monday night (I think > there was one gamer the whole time we were there) so they've asked if > we could possibly move the night. > > Now I've always avoided the topic always stating that we've always > done it on the Monday night. And it's for one really simple reason. > We're about to have a really horrid conversation about which night > would suit us best. So, we've got two options here. Either we: > a) Avoid the conversation altogether and find another venue. > b) We do change our night and keep using RvB. > > Bearing in mind that there's always going be someone where a > particular day of the week is going to be an issue, we need a sane way > of deciding a change in day if that's what we really deem necessary. > > I think we can assume that Friday/Saturday/Sunday are out. > > Regards, > Nevyn. Has anyone been keeping a head count at meetings? We've got an offer for a venue which can accommodate around 30 people. I'm not sure how many people we have been getting to meetings.... From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 16:09:40 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Aug 4 16:10:21 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Meeting Venue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2f3aa2770908032109m27d91fd2x31063d04bedf49db@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/4 Nevyn : >> a) Avoid the conversation altogether and find another venue. >> b) We do change our night and keep using RvB. >> >> Bearing in mind that there's always going be someone where a >> particular day of the week is going to be an issue, we need a sane way >> of deciding a change in day if that's what we really deem necessary. >> >> I think we can assume that Friday/Saturday/Sunday are out. >> >> Regards, >> Nevyn. > > Has anyone been keeping a head count at meetings? We've got an offer > for a venue which can accommodate around 30 people. I'm not sure how > many people we have been getting to meetings.... if you're going to change the night, trying to find the best option i reckon always ends up with a very drawn-out argument that goes nowhere. best to pick a night, say that's it and people will come if they can i can't imagine (although i haven't explicitly counted), there being more than 30 people come along in the last year From g.kloss at massey.ac.nz Tue Aug 4 16:56:56 2009 From: g.kloss at massey.ac.nz (Guy K. Kloss) Date: Tue Aug 4 16:57:57 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting Venue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200908041656.56432.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> Damn, reading today about yesterday's meeting made me very mad. I wanted to attend it, but strangely my strangest mind sets got me into believing it was going to be next week. On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:37:46 Nevyn wrote: > We've got a bit of a situation with our venue at the moment. You may > have noticed that it's really quiet at RvB on a Monday night (I think > there was one gamer the whole time we were there) so they've asked if > we could possibly move the night. For me, Mondays are not too good. I'd vote for an alternative day. > Now I've always avoided the topic always stating that we've always > done it on the Monday night. And it's for one really simple reason. > We're about to have a really horrid conversation about which night > would suit us best. So, we've got two options here. Either we: > a) Avoid the conversation altogether and find another venue. > b) We do change our night and keep using RvB. > > Bearing in mind that there's always going be someone where a > particular day of the week is going to be an issue, we need a sane way > of deciding a change in day if that's what we really deem necessary. > > I think we can assume that Friday/Saturday/Sunday are out. Pick one from [Tue..Thur], and it'll be easier for me to attend. +1 for a day change here. Guyt -- Guy K. Kloss Institute of Information and Mathematical Sciences Te Kura P?taiao o M?hiohio me P?ngarau Massey University, Albany (North Shore City, Auckland) 473 State Highway 17, Gate 1, Mailroom, Quad B Building voice: +64 9 414-0800 ext. 9585 fax: +64 9 441-8181 G.Kloss@massey.ac.nz http://www.massey.ac.nz/~gkloss From steven at openmedia.co.nz Tue Aug 4 19:00:27 2009 From: steven at openmedia.co.nz (Steven Ellis) Date: Tue Aug 4 18:52:51 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting Venue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39094.60.234.49.2.1249369227.squirrel@webmail.stevencherie.net> On Tue, August 4, 2009 1:37 pm, Nevyn wrote: > Hi guys, > > We've got a bit of a situation with our venue at the moment. You may > have noticed that it's really quiet at RvB on a Monday night (I think > there was one gamer the whole time we were there) so they've asked if > we could possibly move the night. > > Now I've always avoided the topic always stating that we've always > done it on the Monday night. And it's for one really simple reason. > We're about to have a really horrid conversation about which night > would suit us best. So, we've got two options here. Either we: > a) Avoid the conversation altogether and find another venue. > b) We do change our night and keep using RvB. > My vote is for a venue change. Afraid I'm not that impressed with RvB compared with previous locations. Its a bit cold and when we did the virtualisation session very cramped. Steve -------------------------------------------- Steven Ellis - Technical Director OpenMedia Limited - The Home of myPVR email - steven@openmedia.co.nz website - http://www.openmedia.co.nz From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 00:17:28 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 5 00:20:46 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting Venue In-Reply-To: <39094.60.234.49.2.1249369227.squirrel@webmail.stevencherie.net> References: <39094.60.234.49.2.1249369227.squirrel@webmail.stevencherie.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Steven Ellis wrote: > > On Tue, August 4, 2009 1:37 pm, Nevyn wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> We've got a bit of a situation with our venue at the moment. You may >> have noticed that it's really quiet at RvB on a Monday night (I think >> there was one gamer the whole time we were there) so they've asked if >> we could possibly move the night. >> >> Now I've always avoided the topic always stating that we've always >> done it on the Monday night. And it's for one really simple reason. >> We're about to have a really horrid conversation about which night >> would suit us best. So, we've got two options here. Either we: >> a) Avoid the conversation altogether and find another venue. >> b) We do change our night and keep using RvB. >> > > My vote is for a venue change. Afraid I'm not that impressed with RvB > compared with previous locations. Its a bit cold and when we did the > virtualisation session very cramped. > > Steve I tend to agree with you. My problem with RvB is with noise travel. I liked it when it was just us in a meeting room without any distractions. A meeting room, the sound vibrated off the walls and we could hear what was happening. So I would rather another venue rather than changing the night that the meeting occurred. I think what I really need to ascertain is the flexibility. If we had 40 or even 50 people, would a new venue be able to cope (read: The offer from Open Source Systems appeals)? I really don't want a conversation on what night suits people best. I rather enjoy pub quiz night which is a Tuesday. Should this influence the night of meetings? I reckon not. Despite me being hesitant to come to the meetings on a Tuesday, I'm of the opinion that we're a community and it really doesn't matter. Pick a night, and those who can attend and are interested, attend. Those who can't or aren't interested, don't. If you don't like it, well... tough. That's how it is. I've always seen RvB as an alternative. Unless we have a venue that we're happy with, RvB has been a fall back plan. Unless someone's happy to host a meeting, we're always likely to use RvB. Open Source Specialists, who currently support WellyLUG, are willing to support us as well. They have stated they can support around 30 people at each meeting - in which case, we need to do our best to support their limits so long as they don't contradict our own goals. If the meetings have been more than 30 people, then perhaps we need to look for alternatives to the offer we've had thus far (they've also implied the occasional pizza shout). The whole limit thing troubles me. I think we've had closer to 40 people for most meetings. I don't really know as I've never counted, but we don't really know. If no one's been keeping count, there's no real figures on it. Should we change the night and get some figures for the next couple of meetings or just go ahead and change our venue? Regards, Nevyn. From stephen.michiko at xtra.co.nz Tue Aug 4 18:11:04 2009 From: stephen.michiko at xtra.co.nz (stephen.michiko) Date: Wed Aug 5 07:47:32 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 51, Issue 3 Message-ID: <4A77D0F8.40200@xtra.co.nz> I have a Lenny DVD set that you can have for the aforementioned six-pack. I am on the North shore. Steve aucklug-request@linux.net.nz wrote: > Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to > aucklug@linux.net.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: OT: Request For Assistance (Nevyn) > 2. Re: openstreetmap, some links (Nevyn) > 3. Re: OT: Request For Assistance (Boxen Foxen) > 4. Re: Linux in schools meeting (Nevyn) > 5. Re: Linux in schools meeting (Nevyn) > 6. Meeting Venue (Nevyn) > 7. Re: Meeting Venue (Nevyn) > 8. Re: Re: Meeting Venue (Robin Paulson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:07:59 +1200 > From: Nevyn > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] OT: Request For Assistance > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Boxen, > > I've got a slow connection (256k) but do run a lenny system or two and > have apt-cacher installed so chances are I have most of the packages > you need cached anyway. If you're coming to the meeting tomorrow, we > could set it up to do the updates, go to the meeting and then grab > your 'puter... > > Mt Eden. No excess costs necessary. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Tim Toolman wrote: > >> Welcome to my 20mbit connection in Avondale if you wanna come out west after >> hours. Drop me a personal email if interested. I pay orcon $2/Gb overage, >> so a beer would easily cover that ... >> >> Toolman >> >> 2009/8/4 Boxen Foxen >> >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I live in an internet-challenged bach on the Hibiscus Coast and have no >>> access to the WWW. Recently I redid my desktop system with Debian Lenny and >>> XFCE using a full standard Lenny CDROM install set (4 disk). >>> >>> Now I need to update my system and would like to install some fairly >>> non-standard apps with full dev libraries so I can play happily at home. It >>> would be a full system update and probably 100MB maximum of additional >>> applications, if that. >>> >>> Am unable to access the WWW at work on a non-office system, so I would like >>> to ask if someone would be willing to donate or sell some access time to >>> their "internet" so I can get things sorted? Am moving house in next 2 >>> months but cannot wait until then. >>> >>> Willing to pay either in NZD or Six pack(s) of beer or something else that >>> you may feel is a fair trade. >>> >>> Thanks in advance, BF. >>> >>> P.S. Prefer to travel to somewhere near the CBD or anywhere north of the >>> bridge but will go south if required. >>> -- >>> Boxen Foxen >>> Auckland New Zealand >>> ------------------------------- >>> Browser - http://www.mozilla.com >>> Encryption - http://www.gnupg.org >>> Freedom - http://creativefreedom.org.nz >>> Operating System - http://www.debian.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tim Taylor >> +64 21 0541287 >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:11:53 +1200 > From: Nevyn > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] openstreetmap, some links > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Robin Paulson wrote: > >> to the guy (sorry, didn't get your name) asking about my phone, it's >> an openmoko freerunner, and no it's not extinct: >> www.openmoko.org >> www.openmoko.com >> > > I did mention to a couple of people last night that it's getting a new > lease on life. The article I was talking about is here: > http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/Openmoko-Gets-New-Life-in-Brazil-After-Being-Declared-Dead > > Great seeing Maddog being out there and active.... > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:16:11 +0800 > From: Boxen Foxen > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] OT: Request For Assistance > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > <862861130908031716s20a63dfcy7f9d2079e81b3094@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Thanks Nevyn, > > Unfortunately I am off to the Coromandel for work tomorrow and will not be > able to make the meeting. Also Tim the Tool Man has me sorted with access to > his fast pipe. > > Cheers BF. > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Nevyn wrote: > > >> Hi Boxen, >> >> I've got a slow connection (256k) but do run a lenny system or two and >> have apt-cacher installed so chances are I have most of the packages >> you need cached anyway. If you're coming to the meeting tomorrow, we >> could set it up to do the updates, go to the meeting and then grab >> your 'puter... >> >> Mt Eden. No excess costs necessary. >> >> Regards, >> Nevyn. >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:17:46 +1200 > From: Nevyn > Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Linux in schools meeting > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Nevyn wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> Announcing the first "Linux in Schools" (really bad working name) >> meeting to be held on Wednesday 26th of August at 7pm at: >> >> Dominion >> 234 Dominion Road >> Mt Eden, 1024 >> Auckland >> http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=234+dominion+rd,+Mt+Eden,+Auckland+1024&sll=-36.875759,174.751298&sspn=0.012136,0.019119&ie=UTF8&z=16&iwloc=A >> >> We should probably come up with an agenda: >> 1. Brief description of the organisation and projects. >> 2. Name is needed for such an organisation. >> 3. Discussion on individual projects. >> >> Regards, >> Nevyn. >> > > Oh crap.... > > It was pointed out yesterday at the AuckLUG meeting that I may have > gotten my dates wrong on the my post for this meeting. I had thought I > had put tomorrow's date on it. > > In which case, it's probably too late to do anything for tomorrow > night. We could move it forward though. I was hoping to have the > mailing list and that sort of thing all established by the end of the > month so the 26th is probably a tad too late for a meeting... > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:29:24 +1200 > From: Nevyn > Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Linux in schools meeting > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Nevyn wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Nevyn wrote: >> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> Announcing the first "Linux in Schools" (really bad working name) >>> meeting to be held on Wednesday 26th of August at 7pm at: >>> >>> Dominion >>> 234 Dominion Road >>> Mt Eden, 1024 >>> Auckland >>> http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=234+dominion+rd,+Mt+Eden,+Auckland+1024&sll=-36.875759,174.751298&sspn=0.012136,0.019119&ie=UTF8&z=16&iwloc=A >>> >>> We should probably come up with an agenda: >>> 1. Brief description of the organisation and projects. >>> 2. Name is needed for such an organisation. >>> 3. Discussion on individual projects. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nevyn. >>> >> Oh crap.... >> >> It was pointed out yesterday at the AuckLUG meeting that I may have >> gotten my dates wrong on the my post for this meeting. I had thought I >> had put tomorrow's date on it. >> >> In which case, it's probably too late to do anything for tomorrow >> night. We could move it forward though. I was hoping to have the >> mailing list and that sort of thing all established by the end of the >> month so the 26th is probably a tad too late for a meeting... >> >> Regards, >> Nevyn. >> > > How does the 12th sound to everyone? (next week Wednesday) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:37:46 +1200 > From: Nevyn > Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting Venue > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi guys, > > We've got a bit of a situation with our venue at the moment. You may > have noticed that it's really quiet at RvB on a Monday night (I think > there was one gamer the whole time we were there) so they've asked if > we could possibly move the night. > > Now I've always avoided the topic always stating that we've always > done it on the Monday night. And it's for one really simple reason. > We're about to have a really horrid conversation about which night > would suit us best. So, we've got two options here. Either we: > a) Avoid the conversation altogether and find another venue. > b) We do change our night and keep using RvB. > > Bearing in mind that there's always going be someone where a > particular day of the week is going to be an issue, we need a sane way > of deciding a change in day if that's what we really deem necessary. > > I think we can assume that Friday/Saturday/Sunday are out. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:56:57 +1200 > From: Nevyn > Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Meeting Venue > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Nevyn wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> We've got a bit of a situation with our venue at the moment. You may >> have noticed that it's really quiet at RvB on a Monday night (I think >> there was one gamer the whole time we were there) so they've asked if >> we could possibly move the night. >> >> Now I've always avoided the topic always stating that we've always >> done it on the Monday night. And it's for one really simple reason. >> We're about to have a really horrid conversation about which night >> would suit us best. So, we've got two options here. Either we: >> a) Avoid the conversation altogether and find another venue. >> b) We do change our night and keep using RvB. >> >> Bearing in mind that there's always going be someone where a >> particular day of the week is going to be an issue, we need a sane way >> of deciding a change in day if that's what we really deem necessary. >> >> I think we can assume that Friday/Saturday/Sunday are out. >> >> Regards, >> Nevyn. >> > > Has anyone been keeping a head count at meetings? We've got an offer > for a venue which can accommodate around 30 people. I'm not sure how > many people we have been getting to meetings.... > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:09:40 +1200 > From: Robin Paulson > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Re: Meeting Venue > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > <2f3aa2770908032109m27d91fd2x31063d04bedf49db@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > 2009/8/4 Nevyn : > >>> a) Avoid the conversation altogether and find another venue. >>> b) We do change our night and keep using RvB. >>> >>> Bearing in mind that there's always going be someone where a >>> particular day of the week is going to be an issue, we need a sane way >>> of deciding a change in day if that's what we really deem necessary. >>> >>> I think we can assume that Friday/Saturday/Sunday are out. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nevyn. >>> >> Has anyone been keeping a head count at meetings? We've got an offer >> for a venue which can accommodate around 30 people. I'm not sure how >> many people we have been getting to meetings.... >> > > if you're going to change the night, trying to find the best option i > reckon always ends up with a very drawn-out argument that goes > nowhere. best to pick a night, say that's it and people will come if > they can > > i can't imagine (although i haven't explicitly counted), there being > more than 30 people come along in the last year > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 51, Issue 3 > ************************************** > > From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 10:18:14 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 5 10:18:28 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting Venue In-Reply-To: References: <39094.60.234.49.2.1249369227.squirrel@webmail.stevencherie.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Nevyn wrote: > > I've always seen RvB as an alternative. Unless we have a venue that > we're happy with, RvB has been a fall back plan. Unless someone's > happy to host a meeting, we're always likely to use RvB. Open Source > Specialists, who currently support WellyLUG, are willing to support us > as well. They have stated they can support around 30 people at each > meeting - in which case, we need to do our best to support their > limits so long as they don't contradict our own goals. > > If the meetings have been more than 30 people, then perhaps we need to > look for alternatives to the offer we've had thus far (they've also > implied the occasional pizza shout). The whole limit thing troubles > me. I think we've had closer to 40 people for most meetings. I don't > really know as I've never counted, but we don't really know. If no > one's been keeping count, there's no real figures on it. Should we > change the night and get some figures for the next couple of meetings > or just go ahead and change our venue? > > Regards, > Nevyn. Open Source Solutions have offered and I'm inclined to go with it. I'm not entirely sure where they are (around Symonds St somewhere?). Any objections? Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 10:19:44 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 5 10:19:56 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting Venue In-Reply-To: References: <39094.60.234.49.2.1249369227.squirrel@webmail.stevencherie.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Nevyn wrote: > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Nevyn wrote: >> >> I've always seen RvB as an alternative. Unless we have a venue that >> we're happy with, RvB has been a fall back plan. Unless someone's >> happy to host a meeting, we're always likely to use RvB. Open Source >> Specialists, who currently support WellyLUG, are willing to support us >> as well. They have stated they can support around 30 people at each >> meeting - in which case, we need to do our best to support their >> limits so long as they don't contradict our own goals. >> >> If the meetings have been more than 30 people, then perhaps we need to >> look for alternatives to the offer we've had thus far (they've also >> implied the occasional pizza shout). The whole limit thing troubles >> me. I think we've had closer to 40 people for most meetings. I don't >> really know as I've never counted, but we don't really know. If no >> one's been keeping count, there's no real figures on it. Should we >> change the night and get some figures for the next couple of meetings >> or just go ahead and change our venue? >> >> Regards, >> Nevyn. > > Open Source Solutions have offered and I'm inclined to go with it. I'm > not entirely sure where they are (around Symonds St somewhere?). Any > objections? > > Regards, > Nevyn. Sorry - that should be Open Systems Specialists (OSS) From nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz Wed Aug 5 19:20:03 2009 From: nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz (Glen Ogilvie) Date: Wed Aug 5 19:44:49 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Linux in schools meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200908051920.07348.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> On Tue, 04 Aug 2009, Nevyn wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Nevyn wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Nevyn wrote: > >> Hi guys, > >> > >> Announcing the first "Linux in Schools" (really bad working name) > >> meeting to be held on Wednesday 26th of August at 7pm at: > >> > >> Dominion > >> 234 Dominion Road > >> Mt Eden, 1024 > >> Auckland > >> http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=234+domini > >>on+rd,+Mt+Eden,+Auckland+1024&sll=-36.875759,174.751298&sspn=0.012136,0.0 > >>19119&ie=UTF8&z=16&iwloc=A > >> > >> We should probably come up with an agenda: > >> 1. Brief description of the organisation and projects. > >> 2. Name is needed for such an organisation. > >> 3. Discussion on individual projects. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Nevyn. > > > > Oh crap.... > > > > It was pointed out yesterday at the AuckLUG meeting that I may have > > gotten my dates wrong on the my post for this meeting. I had thought I > > had put tomorrow's date on it. > > > > In which case, it's probably too late to do anything for tomorrow > > night. We could move it forward though. I was hoping to have the > > mailing list and that sort of thing all established by the end of the > > month so the 26th is probably a tad too late for a meeting... > > > > Regards, > > Nevyn. > > How does the 12th sound to everyone? (next week Wednesday) Sounds good to me. Can you confirm location and time on the 12th? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/aucklug/attachments/20090805/29f0632b/attachment.pgp From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 23:20:26 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 5 23:20:34 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Linux in schools meeting In-Reply-To: <200908051920.07348.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> References: <200908051920.07348.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Glen Ogilvie wrote: > On Tue, 04 Aug 2009, Nevyn wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Nevyn wrote: >> > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Nevyn wrote: >> >> Hi guys, >> >> >> >> Announcing the first "Linux in Schools" (really bad working name) >> >> meeting to be held on Wednesday 26th of August at 7pm at: >> >> >> >> Dominion >> >> 234 Dominion Road >> >> Mt Eden, 1024 >> >> Auckland >> >> http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=234+domini >> >>on+rd,+Mt+Eden,+Auckland+1024&sll=-36.875759,174.751298&sspn=0.012136,0.0 >> >>19119&ie=UTF8&z=16&iwloc=A >> >> >> >> We should probably come up with an agenda: >> >> 1. Brief description of the organisation and projects. >> >> 2. Name is needed for such an organisation. >> >> 3. Discussion on individual projects. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Nevyn. >> > >> > Oh crap.... >> > >> > It was pointed out yesterday at the AuckLUG meeting that I may have >> > gotten my dates wrong on the my post for this meeting. I had thought I >> > had put tomorrow's date on it. >> > >> > In which case, it's probably too late to do anything for tomorrow >> > night. We could move it forward though. I was hoping to have the >> > mailing list and that sort of thing all established by the end of the >> > month so the 26th is probably a tad too late for a meeting... >> > >> > Regards, >> > Nevyn. >> >> How does the 12th sound to everyone? (next week Wednesday) > > Sounds good to me. ?Can you confirm location and time on the 12th? Is this something that OSS would be interested in hosting? Previously I had picked a pub ($25 for a jug of beer + a pizza which should be good for 3-4 people). What would people prefer? From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 23:30:29 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 5 23:31:22 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Word processors and the like... Message-ID: Hi Guys, At the meeting I mentioned to a couple of people that I avoid word processors these days going more for document processing. I thought it prudent to explain a little bit more. With document processing you write in the content, define what each bit is (a title, paragraph, list etc.) and let the application take care of the formatting. Most word processors allow you to do this these days but personally I prefer Lyx which is a front-end to laTeX which doesn't allow you to do things in any other manner. In this way you only have to worry about the content and not how it looks. As for spreadsheets, I think of them as being a bit of a disease especially for small businesses. They often do things backwards. By that I mean they decide that they need to produce an invoice and so produce a spreadsheet with all the presentational stuff. However, going back over all those invoices becomes a real mission often requiring the use of a secretary to go through each invoice manually gathering often a single bit of information from each spreadsheet and depending on the number of spreadsheets, often takes an awful lot of time. Add to that the lack of consistent formatting in such files and you end up with a real nightmare trying to manage that information which is why I'm of the opinion that there is loads of opportunity for people out there to make a living making custom applications for such businesses. Producing a framework which could be customised for each company makes real sense. Given the richness of web applications nowadays, it shouldn't be too hard to produce an ajax based front end which communicates with a database on the backend. You then enpower the business to produce reports on any past data and be able to produce trends etc. without some poor person having to pick through data in spreadsheets everytime they want a particular report. Regards, Nevyn. From justin at skull.co.nz Thu Aug 6 05:44:36 2009 From: justin at skull.co.nz (Justin Cook) Date: Thu Aug 6 05:46:23 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Word processors and the like... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <93a52e0e0908051044w2edc4342i2fa8d4ca158db328@mail.gmail.com> I often resort to using Infopath to create my invoices, which is a document processor. I'm guessing OpenOffice probably has a tool similar to this, are there any other open source options? 2009/8/5 Nevyn > Hi Guys, > > At the meeting I mentioned to a couple of people that I avoid word > processors these days going more for document processing. I thought it > prudent to explain a little bit more. > > With document processing you write in the content, define what each > bit is (a title, paragraph, list etc.) and let the application take > care of the formatting. Most word processors allow you to do this > these days but personally I prefer Lyx which is a front-end to laTeX > which doesn't allow you to do things in any other manner. In this way > you only have to worry about the content and not how it looks. > > As for spreadsheets, I think of them as being a bit of a disease > especially for small businesses. They often do things backwards. By > that I mean they decide that they need to produce an invoice and so > produce a spreadsheet with all the presentational stuff. However, > going back over all those invoices becomes a real mission often > requiring the use of a secretary to go through each invoice manually > gathering often a single bit of information from each spreadsheet and > depending on the number of spreadsheets, often takes an awful lot of > time. Add to that the lack of consistent formatting in such files and > you end up with a real nightmare trying to manage that information > which is why I'm of the opinion that there is loads of opportunity for > people out there to make a living making custom applications for such > businesses. Producing a framework which could be customised for each > company makes real sense. Given the richness of web applications > nowadays, it shouldn't be too hard to produce an ajax based front end > which communicates with a database on the backend. You then enpower > the business to produce reports on any past data and be able to > produce trends etc. without some poor person having to pick through > data in spreadsheets everytime they want a particular report. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 09:32:37 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 6 09:32:46 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Linux in schools meeting In-Reply-To: References: <200908051920.07348.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Nevyn wrote: > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Glen Ogilvie wrote: >> >> Sounds good to me. ?Can you confirm location and time on the 12th? > > Is this something that OSS would be interested in hosting? Previously > I had picked a pub ($25 for a jug of beer + a pizza which should be > good for 3-4 people). What would people prefer? I just read that again... Sorry. 7pm at Dominion, 234 Dominion Road, Mt Eden. I'll get an announcement out and get Mark to make corrections to the notification on linux.net.nz. From nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz Thu Aug 6 10:01:36 2009 From: nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz (Glen Ogilvie) Date: Thu Aug 6 10:03:16 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Linux in schools meeting In-Reply-To: References: <200908051920.07348.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> Message-ID: <5625393661e7ce7df6cf0c093b9d60f3@localhost> On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:32:37 +1200, Nevyn wrote: > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Nevyn wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Glen Ogilvie >> wrote: >>> >>> Sounds good to me. ?Can you confirm location and time on the 12th? >> >> Is this something that OSS would be interested in hosting? Previously >> I had picked a pub ($25 for a jug of beer + a pizza which should be >> good for 3-4 people). What would people prefer? > > I just read that again... Sorry. 7pm at Dominion, 234 Dominion Road, Mt > Eden. > I'll get an announcement out and get Mark to make corrections to the > notification on linux.net.nz. Hi, I think the first one may be easier at the Dominion. We can arrange hosting it at OSS for the next meeting if need be. Regards Glen Ogilvie > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From john at og.co.nz Thu Aug 6 11:11:57 2009 From: john at og.co.nz (john) Date: Thu Aug 6 11:19:21 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Word processors and the like... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A7A11BD.4080102@og.co.nz> I use LyX to produce invoices and standard letters. By using the perl modules LyX::Client and LyX::Polite along with a perl program which I have written, I can extract rows of data from a database (Informix or PostgreSQL in my case) and embed these into a LyX table statement in a LyX standard document. This allows the production of beautifully typeset documents of variable length. All this is possible because LyX is a text-based format and can be manipulated readily by any text tools. So perl can scan a document and parse inbuilt perl variables of the form ${varname} and , in my case, lines beginning with PERLCMD followed by a perl statement can be eval ed and plugged into the text (in the spirit of the shells' $( commmand ) or `command` statements. Incidentally, I gave an introductory presentation on LyX at a LUG meeting 2 or 3 years ago. John O'Gorman Nevyn wrote: > Hi Guys, > > At the meeting I mentioned to a couple of people that I avoid word > processors these days going more for document processing. I thought it > prudent to explain a little bit more. > > With document processing you write in the content, define what each > bit is (a title, paragraph, list etc.) and let the application take > care of the formatting. Most word processors allow you to do this > these days but personally I prefer Lyx which is a front-end to laTeX > which doesn't allow you to do things in any other manner. In this way > you only have to worry about the content and not how it looks. > > As for spreadsheets, I think of them as being a bit of a disease > especially for small businesses. They often do things backwards. By > that I mean they decide that they need to produce an invoice and so > produce a spreadsheet with all the presentational stuff. However, > going back over all those invoices becomes a real mission often > requiring the use of a secretary to go through each invoice manually > gathering often a single bit of information from each spreadsheet and > depending on the number of spreadsheets, often takes an awful lot of > time. Add to that the lack of consistent formatting in such files and > you end up with a real nightmare trying to manage that information > which is why I'm of the opinion that there is loads of opportunity for > people out there to make a living making custom applications for such > businesses. Producing a framework which could be customised for each > company makes real sense. Given the richness of web applications > nowadays, it shouldn't be too hard to produce an ajax based front end > which communicates with a database on the backend. You then enpower > the business to produce reports on any past data and be able to > produce trends etc. without some poor person having to pick through > data in spreadsheets everytime they want a particular report. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > From justin at skull.co.nz Thu Aug 6 13:11:34 2009 From: justin at skull.co.nz (Justin Cook) Date: Thu Aug 6 13:11:46 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Google Wave Message-ID: <93a52e0e0908051811n5e677bf0vf6b4a2e58fe24b10@mail.gmail.com> Who's pumped? I propose we all get super-excited about all the convergence and hook the mailing list into a wave as soon as it's publicly available. http://wave.google.com/ Skip to 7:00 to avoid the fluffing around. From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 13:39:25 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 6 13:39:36 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Word processors and the like... In-Reply-To: <4A7A11BD.4080102@og.co.nz> References: <4A7A11BD.4080102@og.co.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:11 AM, john wrote: > I use LyX to produce invoices and standard letters. > > By using the perl modules LyX::Client and LyX::Polite along with a perl > program which I have written, I can extract rows of data from a database > (Informix or PostgreSQL in my case) > and embed these into a LyX table statement in a LyX standard document. > > This allows the production of beautifully typeset documents of variable > length. > All this is possible because LyX is a text-based format and can be > manipulated readily by any text tools. So perl can scan a document and > parse inbuilt perl variables of the form ${varname} and > , in my case, lines beginning with PERLCMD followed by a perl statement > can be eval ed and plugged into the text (in the spirit of the shells' > $( commmand ) or `command` statements. > > Incidentally, I gave an introductory presentation on LyX at a LUG > meeting 2 or 3 years ago. > > John O'Gorman Yeah I remember that. I had used lyx a couple of times before that meeting. I've only really used it for very basic things (read: using the predefined templates) as I haven't really looked at the syntax. I've always been impressed by the ease of use and efficiency of it. What I hate though is trying to explain to people that formatting shouldn't really need to be done by the user. A well laid out document should be able to format itself. I especially hate having to solve odd formatting problems in word processors (read: MS Word where numbering often starts at odd points or margins are inconsistent through a document etc.). Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 13:41:12 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 6 13:41:22 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Google Wave In-Reply-To: <93a52e0e0908051811n5e677bf0vf6b4a2e58fe24b10@mail.gmail.com> References: <93a52e0e0908051811n5e677bf0vf6b4a2e58fe24b10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Justin Cook wrote: > Who's pumped? > > I propose we all get super-excited about all the convergence and hook the > mailing list into a wave as soon as it's publicly available. > > http://wave.google.com/ > Skip to 7:00 to avoid the fluffing around. Context is so difficult on a list.... are you being sarcastic? (Please tell me you're being sarcastic)... From justin at skull.co.nz Thu Aug 6 13:56:31 2009 From: justin at skull.co.nz (Justin Cook) Date: Thu Aug 6 13:56:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Google Wave In-Reply-To: References: <93a52e0e0908051811n5e677bf0vf6b4a2e58fe24b10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <93a52e0e0908051856l2f95b8d2k7fe3a8865f1d2d16@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/6 Nevyn > On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Justin Cook wrote: > > Who's pumped? > > > > I propose we all get super-excited about all the convergence and hook the > > mailing list into a wave as soon as it's publicly available. > > > > http://wave.google.com/ > > Skip to 7:00 to avoid the fluffing around. > > Context is so difficult on a list.... are you being sarcastic? (Please > tell me you're being sarcastic)... Not at all, I'm just really excited and thought I'd share my enthusiasm in case anyone hadn't heard of it yet. From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 15:19:56 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 6 15:20:17 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Syncing multiple hard drives? Message-ID: I was talking to someone off list and a rather interesting idea came up... In a bid to reduce the reliance on the internet, could a syncing scheme be set up? The idea is this. If users of Debian would like to keep an apt-cacher-ng proxy (or any of the other options out there) could they do something along the lines of bring in a portable hard drive containing the packages that they've got in their proxy, and sync to say... another 10 or so similar set ups? So the application that would have to control this would look at the content of each of the hard drives, decide who's got the most recent version for any particular package and then copy that package to the other hard drives in the cluster (for want of another word)? If this works there could be something similar by way of a shared repository for schools. i.e. if you want a package, first check the locally maintained repository. If it's not there, download it, and copy it back to the repository so that all schools could benefit from the downloaded packages (assuming that the traffic on the schools network is free). Not quite like apt-cacher-ng or alternatives in that it wouldn't be the proxy server downloading the packages (and thus bringing up questions of who pays for that traffic while still getting the benefits of a proxy server). Regards, Nevyn. From Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz Thu Aug 6 16:11:01 2009 From: Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz (Chilling_Silence) Date: Thu Aug 6 16:11:18 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Google Wave In-Reply-To: <93a52e0e0908051856l2f95b8d2k7fe3a8865f1d2d16@mail.gmail.com> References: <93a52e0e0908051811n5e677bf0vf6b4a2e58fe24b10@mail.gmail.com> <93a52e0e0908051856l2f95b8d2k7fe3a8865f1d2d16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2987f0d40908052111h34ca90d8o3960d7beb64eadd4@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Justin Cook wrote: > 2009/8/6 Nevyn > > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Justin Cook wrote: > > > Who's pumped? > > > > > > I propose we all get super-excited about all the convergence and hook > the > > > mailing list into a wave as soon as it's publicly available. > > > > > > http://wave.google.com/ > > > Skip to 7:00 to avoid the fluffing around. > > > > Context is so difficult on a list.... are you being sarcastic? (Please > > tell me you're being sarcastic)... > > > Not at all, I'm just really excited and thought I'd share my enthusiasm in > case anyone hadn't heard of it yet. We should watch the video one month for the LUG, well worth sitting down for an hour to watch IMO! I've watched it twice in fact :D From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 09:57:18 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Aug 7 09:57:32 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SIP SoftPhones driving me nuts! In-Reply-To: <824960.82352.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <824960.82352.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > I think half of my frustration stems from the TOTAL snafu that is PulseAudio: I understand the reasoning for it, but I don't understand why audio has now been complicated to the point that it's broken. Sort of kind of relevant.... http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/From-Mac-to-Linux-A-Musician-Convert I never thought I'd see the day when someone considered Linux a better sound platform than Mac OSX. Regards, Nevyn. From csp_liam at yahoo.co.nz Fri Aug 7 12:12:40 2009 From: csp_liam at yahoo.co.nz (Liam Venter) Date: Fri Aug 7 12:12:51 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] I am having difficulty connecting my linux PC tro microsoft server? In-Reply-To: References: <824960.82352.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <275759.20220.qm@web62001.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I used to be able to transfer files between directories on my XP windows box (called Musicserver) from my Kubuntu Linux PC. Several months ago I have lost this capability. I suspect around about the time I upgraded "MusicServer" with service pack 3. Can anyone advise. The following is the functionality I currently have From the Windows XP PC, Music server I can see that I have two Microsoft windows networks, "Music1" which has my "Musicserver" XP PC in it and "MSHome" which has my windows laptop, "Dell" in it and my Linux box in it I can click on "My Computer" and open shared files, delete files located on my linux box and copy them all from within the "My Computer" explorer on the windows XP PC. In summary everything seems to work fine from my Windows XP PC. From the Kubuntu Linux PC When I use KDE's "remote places" and look under samba shares I see two networks, "Music1" and "MSHome". In "MShome" I can see my Kubuntu linux PC and another windows laptop, called "Dell" In "Music1" I can see my Windows XP PC, called "Musicserver". However when I click on "Musicserver" to view the files on it I get asked to enter my authentication information for 'Musicserver". I then enter my administrators, username and password for the Music server which are not accepted and the Login box simply reappears. Ive checked I am not making a typo on the username and password and checked that I do not have the capitals lock on . Questions Why isn't my "Musicserver" being seen in my "MSHome network"? Has anyone got any suggestions why I can't get access to files on "Musicserver" anymore" Kind regards Liam Venter mob: +64 (0)275 985 266 Ph: +64 (0)9 834 6655 ________________________________ From: Nevyn To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list Sent: Friday, 7 August, 2009 9:57:18 AM Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] SIP SoftPhones driving me nuts! On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > I think half of my frustration stems from the TOTAL snafu that is PulseAudio: I understand the reasoning for it, but I don't understand why audio has now been complicated to the point that it's broken. Sort of kind of relevant.... http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/From-Mac-to-Linux-A-Musician-Convert I never thought I'd see the day when someone considered Linux a better sound platform than Mac OSX. Regards, Nevyn. _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 12:34:08 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Aug 7 12:34:19 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] I am having difficulty connecting my linux PC tro microsoft server? In-Reply-To: <275759.20220.qm@web62001.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <824960.82352.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <275759.20220.qm@web62001.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Liam Venter wrote: > I used to be able to transfer files between directories on my XP windows box (called Musicserver) from my Kubuntu Linux PC. > > Several months ago I have lost this capability. I suspect around about the time I upgraded "MusicServer" with service pack 3. > > Can anyone advise. The following is the functionality I currently have > > From the Windows XP PC, Music server > > I can see that I have two Microsoft windows networks, "Music1" which > has my "Musicserver" XP PC in it and "MSHome" which has my windows > laptop, "Dell" in it and my Linux box in it > > I can click on "My Computer" and open shared files, delete files located on my linux box and copy them all from within the "My Computer" explorer on the windows XP PC. > > In summary everything seems to work fine from my Windows XP PC. > > From the Kubuntu Linux PC > > When I use KDE's "remote places" and look under samba shares I see two networks, "Music1" and "MSHome". > > In "MShome" I can see my Kubuntu linux PC and another windows laptop, called "Dell" > > In "Music1" I can see my Windows XP PC, called "Musicserver". > > However when I click on "Musicserver" to view the files on it I get asked to enter my authentication information for 'Musicserver". I then enter my administrators, username and password for the Music server which are not accepted and the Login box simply reappears. Ive checked I am not making a typo on the username and password and checked that I do not have the capitals lock on . > > Questions > > Why isn't my "Musicserver" being seen in my "MSHome network"? > Has anyone got any suggestions why I can't get access to files on "Musicserver" anymore" > > ?Kind regards > Liam Venter Hi Liam, Okay, the first question is really easy. MusicServer and MSHome are your domains. For each computer you define a domain. MusicServer is on the "Music1" domain, whereas your other computers are on the MSHome domain. So on that computer, right click on my computer (I can't believe I dispensing Windows advice on a Linux list), click on properties, bring up the computer name tab, click on change and chance the domain to MSHome. The second question: It will have something to do with authentication. Remember that the authentication details you should be entering are for the MusicServer computer and not your Linux account details. I can't diagnose the problem any better than that as you haven't included enough details. i.e. can you access the other computers from the linux box? Were there any changes made to the MusicServer when this problem occurred? Have you checked permissions on the shared directories? Regards, Nevyn. From boxen_foxen at maddaz.com Fri Aug 7 12:38:41 2009 From: boxen_foxen at maddaz.com (Boxen Foxen) Date: Fri Aug 7 12:38:54 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] I am having difficulty connecting my linux PC tro microsoft server? In-Reply-To: References: <824960.82352.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <275759.20220.qm@web62001.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <862861130908061738u1e40a278l662b099ae76aff7e@mail.gmail.com> Haha, I can't believe you are doing the M$ thing either! Good job! On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Nevyn wrote: > Hi Liam, > > Okay, the first question is really easy. MusicServer and MSHome are > your domains. For each computer you define a domain. MusicServer is on > the "Music1" domain, whereas your other computers are on the MSHome > domain. So on that computer, right click on my computer (I can't > believe I dispensing Windows advice on a Linux list), click on > properties, bring up the computer name tab, click on change and chance > the domain to MSHome. > > The second question: It will have something to do with authentication. > Remember that the authentication details you should be entering are > for the MusicServer computer and not your Linux account details. > > I can't diagnose the problem any better than that as you haven't > included enough details. i.e. can you access the other computers from > the linux box? Were there any changes made to the MusicServer when > this problem occurred? Have you checked permissions on the shared > directories? > > Regards, > Nevyn. > From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 12:47:35 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Aug 7 12:47:50 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Software Freedom Day Message-ID: Hi Guys, It's probably time to start discussing software freedom day. Given that Jaco isn't going to be around this year to drive things... And I'm preoccupied with the whole software in schools thing - are there any ideas out there for what could be done this year and anyone who wants to have a go at driving a small project? Regards, Nevyn. From csp_liam at yahoo.co.nz Fri Aug 7 14:49:47 2009 From: csp_liam at yahoo.co.nz (Liam Venter) Date: Fri Aug 7 14:50:04 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] I am having difficulty connecting my linux PC tro microsoft server? In-Reply-To: References: <824960.82352.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <275759.20220.qm@web62001.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <671038.87781.qm@web62004.mail.re1.yahoo.com> ________________________________ From: Nevyn To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list Sent: Friday, 7 August, 2009 12:34:08 PM Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] I am having difficulty connecting my linux PC tro microsoft server? On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Liam Venter wrote: > I used to be able to transfer files between directories on my XP windows box (called Musicserver) from my Kubuntu Linux PC. > > Several months ago I have lost this capability. I suspect around about the time I upgraded "MusicServer" with service pack 3. > > Can anyone advise. The following is the functionality I currently have > > From the Windows XP PC, Music server > > I can see that I have two Microsoft windows networks, "Music1" which > has my "Musicserver" XP PC in it and "MSHome" which has my windows > laptop, "Dell" in it and my Linux box in it > > I can click on "My Computer" and open shared files, delete files located on my linux box and copy them all from within the "My Computer" explorer on the windows XP PC. > > In summary everything seems to work fine from my Windows XP PC. > > From the Kubuntu Linux PC > > When I use KDE's "remote places" and look under samba shares I see two networks, "Music1" and "MSHome". > > In "MShome" I can see my Kubuntu linux PC and another windows laptop, called "Dell" > > In "Music1" I can see my Windows XP PC, called "Musicserver". > > However when I click on "Musicserver" to view the files on it I get asked to enter my authentication information for 'Musicserver". I then enter my administrators, username and password for the Music server which are not accepted and the Login box simply reappears. Ive checked I am not making a typo on the username and password and checked that I do not have the capitals lock on . > > Questions > > Why isn't my "Musicserver" being seen in my "MSHome network"? > Has anyone got any suggestions why I can't get access to files on "Musicserver" anymore" > > Kind regards > Liam Venter Hi Liam, Okay, the first question is really easy. MusicServer and MSHome are your domains. For each computer you define a domain. MusicServer is on the "Music1" domain, whereas your other computers are on the MSHome domain. So on that computer, right click on my computer (I can't believe I dispensing Windows advice on a Linux list), click on properties, bring up the computer name tab, click on change and chance the domain to MSHome. The second question: It will have something to do with authentication. Remember that the authentication details you should be entering are for the MusicServer computer and not your Linux account details. I can't diagnose the problem any better than that as you haven't included enough details. i.e. can you access the other computers from the linux box? Were there any changes made to the MusicServer when this problem occurred? Have you checked permissions on the shared directories? Regards, Nevyn. Thanks Nevyn got rid of the now unused Music1 domain as you advised and connected MusicServer to Mshome. Putting them on the same domani also solverd the authentication issue. I can now copy files between either machine.I I can also open word files on the Linux machine from the PC but not the other way round. i.e I can't open Microsoft workd files on the windows machine with open office from the linux machine. However if I copy the same files to the linux machine I can open them with open office. Thanks again for the help Liam From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 15:20:14 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Aug 7 15:21:15 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] I am having difficulty connecting my linux PC tro microsoft server? In-Reply-To: <671038.87781.qm@web62004.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <824960.82352.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <275759.20220.qm@web62001.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <671038.87781.qm@web62004.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Liam Venter wrote: > > Thanks Nevyn got rid of the now unused Music1 domain as you advised and connected MusicServer to Mshome. Putting them on the same domani also solverd the authentication issue. I can now copy files between either machine.I > > I can also open word files on the Linux machine from the PC but not the other way round. i.e I can't open Microsoft workd files on the windows machine with open office from the linux machine. However if I copy the same files to the linux machine I can open them with open office. > > Thanks again for the help > Liam Hi Liam, MS Windows does tend to have odd file locking policies. Often if you open something with Excel and then close the file, but not Excel, Excel still has a lock on the file (Don't ask - I don't know why). In saying that, Open Office can be a little bit odd in this way - if you save a document but still have it open and then try to send the file via email (gmail) it often times fail. I'm guessing it's another locking thing... It could also have something to do with permissions.... Regards, Nevyn. From juanvr at live.com Fri Aug 7 15:26:09 2009 From: juanvr at live.com (Juan) Date: Fri Aug 7 15:26:23 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] I am having difficulty connecting my linux PC tro microsoft server? In-Reply-To: References: <824960.82352.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><275759.20220.qm@web62001.mail.re1.yahoo.com><671038.87781.qm@web62004.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The locking occurs because a lot of these apps have a "Recently Opened" feature of some sorts. They still keep an eye on the file till you close the application. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Nevyn" Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 3:20 PM To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] I am having difficulty connecting my linux PC tro microsoft server? > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Liam Venter wrote: >> >> Thanks Nevyn got rid of the now unused Music1 domain as you advised and >> connected MusicServer to Mshome. Putting them on the same domani also >> solverd the authentication issue. I can now copy files between either >> machine.I >> >> I can also open word files on the Linux machine from the PC but not the >> other way round. i.e I can't open Microsoft workd files on the windows >> machine with open office from the linux machine. However if I copy the >> same files to the linux machine I can open them with open office. >> >> Thanks again for the help >> Liam > > Hi Liam, > > MS Windows does tend to have odd file locking policies. Often if you > open something with Excel and then close the file, but not Excel, > Excel still has a lock on the file (Don't ask - I don't know why). In > saying that, Open Office can be a little bit odd in this way - if you > save a document but still have it open and then try to send the file > via email (gmail) it often times fail. I'm guessing it's another > locking thing... > > It could also have something to do with permissions.... > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 09:05:30 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sun Aug 9 09:05:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in schools meeting Message-ID: Hi Guys, The next Linux in schools meeting will be on the 12th of August, at The Dominion (234 Dominion Road) at 7pm. Sorry about the late notice. It only just occurred to me that I hadn't posted a notice yet. I'll still hold the one on the 28th - but will make that one more about figuring out our aims etc. Regards, Nevyn. From robin.paulson at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 20:14:23 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Sun Aug 9 20:14:33 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] osm editing on the go Message-ID: <2f3aa2770908090114j101ee998y5926dd4355c53815@mail.gmail.com> in answer to jaco's question at the aucklug meeting on monday, there is an osm editor in development which is capable of offline editing on the go. i haven't tried it yet; i'll investigate more and see where i get to. looks like there are binaries for ubuntu on x86, and it should be trivial to recompile for generic linux on arm. unfortunately, it has gtk deps at the moment http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm2go cheers rob From robin.paulson at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 21:47:12 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Sun Aug 9 21:47:28 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: osm editing on the go In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770908090114j101ee998y5926dd4355c53815@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770908090114j101ee998y5926dd4355c53815@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770908090247p5730d4a1vc944f6e71e4a834c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/9 Robin Paulson : > in answer to jaco's question at the aucklug meeting on monday, there i dug some more, and found these: mumpot, which is gpe compatible, and has been seen on an ipaq http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumpot gpsmid, for j2me devices: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GpsMid georgemap, for nasty windows mobile (yeah i know, i spotted the irony) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GeorgeMap MOSME, another app for windows mobile http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MOSME and vespucci, for android http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vespucci and for the masochists there's JOSM, but you'll need some kind of wonderful hardware to run that - even a 700MHz eeepc will struggle with it http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 08:53:40 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 13 08:53:53 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Something for all you Ubuntu users.... Message-ID: Hi Guys, This is probably old hat but I just found it and figured it'd be great for most users (of the command line....). I usually find myself typing in a command only to find that I haven't put in "sudo" in front of something and find myself then having to type the command again or resorting to editing the line... Quick fix: !! is a variable meaning previous command. So if you end up in this scenario: $ apt-get update E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the list directory Type in: sudo !! :) Brilliant... is there anything Linux can't do? (now where are those clean clothes?) Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 09:07:53 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 13 09:08:05 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Summary of last nights meeting Message-ID: Hi guys, There were only 2 of us there last night. We talked about schools type stuff but not specifically the Linux in Schools stuff. So there will be no summary... Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 11:36:55 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 13 11:37:05 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in Schools - ideas.... Message-ID: Hi Guys, Obviously I've been thinking about this an awful lot of late. Currently I've sort of shortened my scope so that I'm working on the community rather than the specific project I had outlined earlier. I think it's more important at this point to have the resources collected in one place rather than the situation I have at the moment where there are various conversations all happening at the same time with no regard to the other conversations. So I've gotten a bit of test space to see if I can get mailman working with a certain provider (freeparking.co.nz) and am working on this at the moment. I've been thinking about the website (and of course, the name with I'm still a little lost on) which has also caused me to expand my scope a little bit. The expansion comes around the idea that we should be looking at the philosophy rather than JUST Linux. Bring about the idea of sharing information and contributing etc. to provide resources that can be used just about everywhere. I think this is pretty much what School Forge are doing except that I think there's a lot of space to fill in the gaps with local knowledge. So that would imply a wiki. And then I was thinking about the idea of projects. A friend of mine is a teacher in a primary school and was talking about timetables. Given a set of resources (music, drama etc.) and a set of rules (a class may only be in a room at one time, there should be at least 2 time intervals between each use of these resources, no class should use any of the resources more than once a day) and a list of classes, the computer should be able to work out how best to organise each class (not the programming class...) use of the resources and be able to present the information in a variety of formats. i.e. for each class, for each resource etc. I was thinking that we should have an area where schools can ask questions about what software is out there and if it doesn't exist, then we offer a bounty on it. i.e. schools pitch in a small amount of money if they feel it'd be of value to them, and we go about programming it and distributing that money around based upon contribution to those who have contributed. I'd call the list a hit list. An item can be "hit" if a resource has been found to match their needs or by programming it ourselves. So that'd cover the software side of things (what does everyone think?). Does anyone know of such an application? And then back to the idea of donating computers and doing pilots etc., this would also be a project but would need it's own resources (i.e. it's own mailing list and wiki page). Am I thinking along the right sort of lines? What does everyone think? The hit list thing would have to wait until we've got a means to handle money (i.e. make ourselves into a non-profit business/organisation). Also, has anyone had a play with mailman? I'm not sure I can do anything with the mta except perhaps to set up an email account so I'm wondering if I need to know anything about the mta before playing with mailman... Also, if anyone knows of a good tutorial, I'd be much obliged. Regards, Nevyn. From jtittsler at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 13:10:34 2009 From: jtittsler at gmail.com (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu Aug 13 13:10:44 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in Schools - ideas.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63e484160908121810w77f98d33qd270f42c31e42760@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:36, Nevyn wrote: > Also, has anyone had a play with mailman? I'm not sure I can do > anything with the mta except perhaps to set up an email account so I'm > wondering if I need to know anything about the mta before playing with > mailman... Also, if anyone knows of a good tutorial, I'd be much > obliged. You typically need to create a half dozen email aliases for each list. (There are solutions for various MTAs that automate or eliminate this step.) The best source of information is the official Installation Guide which you can find at: http://list.org/site.html -- Jim Tittsler, Gisborne WikiEducator http://WikiEducator.org/User:JimTittsler Mailman IRC irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 13:25:32 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 13 13:25:45 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in Schools - ideas.... In-Reply-To: <63e484160908121810w77f98d33qd270f42c31e42760@mail.gmail.com> References: <63e484160908121810w77f98d33qd270f42c31e42760@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Jim Tittsler wrote: > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:36, Nevyn wrote: >> Also, has anyone had a play with mailman? I'm not sure I can do >> anything with the mta except perhaps to set up an email account so I'm >> wondering if I need to know anything about the mta before playing with >> mailman... Also, if anyone knows of a good tutorial, I'd be much >> obliged. > > You typically need to create a half dozen email aliases for each list. > ?(There are solutions for various MTAs that automate or eliminate this > step.) > > The best source of information is the official Installation Guide > which you can find at: ?http://list.org/site.html > > -- > Jim Tittsler, Gisborne > WikiEducator ? http://WikiEducator.org/User:JimTittsler :) That solves that one... I've just had a look at the test account and I don't have a groupadd command - kind of a roadblock given it's one of the first steps. Does anyone know of a provider which mailman could be run from? From arbscht at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 13:55:15 2009 From: arbscht at gmail.com (Abhishek Reddy) Date: Thu Aug 13 13:55:27 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Something for all you Ubuntu users.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6da08ade0908121855x4591a0d8r3dd0d9002ebae07e@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Nevyn wrote: > > !! is a variable meaning previous command. So if you end up in this > scenario: > > $ apt-get update > E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 > Permission denied) > E: Unable to lock the list directory > > Type in: > > sudo !! > > :) Brilliant... is there anything Linux can't do? (now where are those > clean clothes?) > I hate to be the guy that points this out, but that has little to do with Linux. The !! expansion a Bash feature, and it should work on Windows (Cygwin), OS X, *BSD, Solaris, etc etc. Useful trick, though. :-) -- Abhishek Reddy http://abhishek.geek.nz From david.roberts at safecom.co.nz Thu Aug 13 14:04:39 2009 From: david.roberts at safecom.co.nz (David Roberts) Date: Thu Aug 13 14:04:51 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Something for all you Ubuntu users.... In-Reply-To: <6da08ade0908121855x4591a0d8r3dd0d9002ebae07e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6da08ade0908121855x4591a0d8r3dd0d9002ebae07e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C08B31BFF3B5D42BCAC255ADDD6EE5E0188AEDA@tasbe116.advancedsolutions.co.nz> $_ has proven to be especially useful in the past as well -----Original Message----- From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] On Behalf Of Abhishek Reddy Sent: Thursday, 13 August 2009 1:55 p.m. To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Something for all you Ubuntu users.... On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Nevyn wrote: > > !! is a variable meaning previous command. So if you end up in this > scenario: > > $ apt-get update > E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 > Permission denied) > E: Unable to lock the list directory > > Type in: > > sudo !! > > :) Brilliant... is there anything Linux can't do? (now where are those > clean clothes?) > I hate to be the guy that points this out, but that has little to do with Linux. The !! expansion a Bash feature, and it should work on Windows (Cygwin), OS X, *BSD, Solaris, etc etc. Useful trick, though. :-) -- Abhishek Reddy http://abhishek.geek.nz _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug ##################################################################################### Important: This electronic message and attachments (if any) are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient do not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. Please let us know by return e-mail immediately and then destroy this message. ##################################################################################### From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 14:27:16 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 13 14:27:25 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Something for all you Ubuntu users.... In-Reply-To: <6da08ade0908121855x4591a0d8r3dd0d9002ebae07e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6da08ade0908121855x4591a0d8r3dd0d9002ebae07e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Abhishek Reddy wrote: > > I hate to be the guy that points this out, but that has little to do with > Linux. ?The !! expansion a Bash feature, and it should work on Windows > (Cygwin), OS X, *BSD, Solaris, etc etc. > > Useful trick, though. ?:-) > > -- > Abhishek Reddy I'd hate to be that guy too ;p True enough but then, generally, we don't really talk about Linux. We talk about distro's and the various tools that distro's provide but very seldom is there any discussion on the kernel itself... From arbscht at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 15:31:12 2009 From: arbscht at gmail.com (Abhishek Reddy) Date: Thu Aug 13 15:31:21 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Something for all you Ubuntu users.... In-Reply-To: References: <6da08ade0908121855x4591a0d8r3dd0d9002ebae07e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6da08ade0908122031v5acff2f8ue3c3f4f5f84e9256@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Nevyn wrote: > > True enough but then, generally, we don't really talk about Linux. We > talk about distro's and the various tools that distro's provide but > very seldom is there any discussion on the kernel itself... > Fair enough. Keep in mind though that, besides the fact Bash works on other platforms, some Linux distros don't use Bash. I just think it's technically misleading as well as morally unfair to credit Linux (kernel, distros, community or otherwise) for this when you can easily be specific. In the spirit of your original post, it would be more educational to users to know what part of their system does what -- and what could apply to other platforms, since many of us do use them too. Back on topic... the way I deal with apt and sudo in particular is to define Bash aliases for my user: alias asearch='aptitude -v search' alias ashow='aptitude -v show' alias ainstall='sudo aptitude install' alias aremove='sudo aptitude remove' alias aupdate='sudo aptitude update' alias aupgrade='sudo aptitude safe-upgrade' Obviates the need to curse and repeat with sudo at least for one program. :-) -- Abhishek Reddy http://abhishek.geek.nz From apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz Thu Aug 13 17:14:34 2009 From: apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz (Aaron Pelly) Date: Thu Aug 13 17:14:47 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Something for all you Ubuntu users.... In-Reply-To: References: <6da08ade0908121855x4591a0d8r3dd0d9002ebae07e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <019301ca1bd4$f2519510$d6f4bf30$@co.nz> > > I hate to be the guy that points this out, but that has little to do > with > > Linux. ?The !! expansion a Bash feature, and it should work on Windows > > (Cygwin), OS X, *BSD, Solaris, etc etc. > > > > Useful trick, though. ?:-) > > > > -- > > Abhishek Reddy > > I'd hate to be that guy too ;p > > True enough but then, generally, we don't really talk about Linux. We > talk about distro's and the various tools that distro's provide but > very seldom is there any discussion on the kernel itself... Fwiw I think everybody would hate to be that guy. But since it's come up, back in the day this was a csh (and sh?) feature. I can't remember the specifics now because I have been enlazened by having arrow keys that work; without even having to set -o vi; but the ! invokes a history command. I think !-1 is the last command, !-2 the command before etc. There were a bunch of them. The second ! is short hand for 'last command' I bet it's all there in the man page, but the shell man pages have always been so big, and the readers so poor, that I hardly ever manage to find what I'm looking for anyway. The manual has trained me not to use the manual. Thank god for lists hey? Aaron. From thetoolman at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 09:19:16 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Fri Aug 14 09:19:27 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Something for all you Ubuntu users.... In-Reply-To: <6da08ade0908122031v5acff2f8ue3c3f4f5f84e9256@mail.gmail.com> References: <6da08ade0908121855x4591a0d8r3dd0d9002ebae07e@mail.gmail.com> <6da08ade0908122031v5acff2f8ue3c3f4f5f84e9256@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I have this alias: alias s='sudo' so i can just "s" stuff - a saving of 3 keystrokes! 2009/8/13 Abhishek Reddy > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Nevyn wrote: > > > > > True enough but then, generally, we don't really talk about Linux. We > > talk about distro's and the various tools that distro's provide but > > very seldom is there any discussion on the kernel itself... > > > > Fair enough. Keep in mind though that, besides the fact Bash works on > other > platforms, some Linux distros don't use Bash. I just think it's > technically > misleading as well as morally unfair to credit Linux (kernel, distros, > community or otherwise) for this when you can easily be specific. > > In the spirit of your original post, it would be more educational to users > to know what part of their system does what -- and what could apply to > other > platforms, since many of us do use them too. > > Back on topic... the way I deal with apt and sudo in particular is to > define > Bash aliases for my user: > > alias asearch='aptitude -v search' > alias ashow='aptitude -v show' > alias ainstall='sudo aptitude install' > alias aremove='sudo aptitude remove' > alias aupdate='sudo aptitude update' > alias aupgrade='sudo aptitude safe-upgrade' > > Obviates the need to curse and repeat with sudo at least for one program. > :-) > > -- > Abhishek Reddy > http://abhishek.geek.nz > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 0541287 From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 09:52:02 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Aug 14 09:52:11 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Something for all you Ubuntu users.... In-Reply-To: References: <6da08ade0908121855x4591a0d8r3dd0d9002ebae07e@mail.gmail.com> <6da08ade0908122031v5acff2f8ue3c3f4f5f84e9256@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Tim Toolman wrote: > I have this alias: > > alias s='sudo' > > so i can just "s" stuff - a saving of 3 keystrokes! In terms of apt-get and aptitude, it'd probably be easier to use this: alias apt-get='sudo apt-get' alias aptitude='sudo aptitude' In fact, given that it requires a password and users to be in sudoers, I'm not sure why this isn't default... From robin.paulson at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 15:55:18 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Fri Aug 14 15:55:27 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] alternatives to ms project Message-ID: <2f3aa2770908132055i49042580jbc595be7a96e754e@mail.gmail.com> hi all, we're implementing computer-based project planning at work (medium-sized engineering company), for project managers to keep tabs on design, manufacture and installation of aircon systems. the IT dept are a microsoft only shop, the management have heard of ms project, and we have one unused license already, so ms project is the default that everyone is moving towards. i'm keen to push the floss angle if possible, for cost savings alone if nothing else. ms project is ~$1,000 per seat, so that shouldn't be hard. i've already hit a few hurdles, like "ms project is the industry standard", "if it's free, it can't be that good", "i know microsoft stuff", and some bizarre stuff around it being ok for ms/other well-known products to fail, but 'unknown' software not to, etc., etc, so i've got a battle on based upon experience, can anyone suggest any decent, professional, project management software which is floss? must run on windows of course, preferably with the option of a centralised db backend rather than individual project files. and can anyone suggest any good arguments for the above problems? many thanks rob From brent.addis at spit.gen.nz Fri Aug 14 16:11:17 2009 From: brent.addis at spit.gen.nz (Brent Addis) Date: Fri Aug 14 16:11:36 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] alternatives to ms project In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770908132055i49042580jbc595be7a96e754e@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770908132055i49042580jbc595be7a96e754e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1250223077.18717.10.camel@baddis-laptop> Everyone around here uses mx project, while I use openproject. Haven't had a single compatibility issue yet, and I prefer the interface. I'm pretty sure theres a windows version too. -----Original Message----- From: Robin Paulson Reply-to: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list Subject: [AuckLUG] alternatives to ms project Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:55:18 +1200 hi all, we're implementing computer-based project planning at work (medium-sized engineering company), for project managers to keep tabs on design, manufacture and installation of aircon systems. the IT dept are a microsoft only shop, the management have heard of ms project, and we have one unused license already, so ms project is the default that everyone is moving towards. i'm keen to push the floss angle if possible, for cost savings alone if nothing else. ms project is ~$1,000 per seat, so that shouldn't be hard. i've already hit a few hurdles, like "ms project is the industry standard", "if it's free, it can't be that good", "i know microsoft stuff", and some bizarre stuff around it being ok for ms/other well-known products to fail, but 'unknown' software not to, etc., etc, so i've got a battle on based upon experience, can anyone suggest any decent, professional, project management software which is floss? must run on windows of course, preferably with the option of a centralised db backend rather than individual project files. and can anyone suggest any good arguments for the above problems? many thanks rob _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From robin.paulson at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 16:16:16 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Fri Aug 14 16:16:30 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] alternatives to ms project In-Reply-To: <1250223077.18717.10.camel@baddis-laptop> References: <2f3aa2770908132055i49042580jbc595be7a96e754e@mail.gmail.com> <1250223077.18717.10.camel@baddis-laptop> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770908132116h6b30e020m35087fb67494163d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/14 Brent Addis : > Everyone around here uses mx project, while I use openproject. Haven't > had a single compatibility issue yet, and I prefer the interface. > > I'm pretty sure theres a windows version too. do you mean openproj?: http://openproj.org/openproj i can't find anything called openproject that's usable From blakjak at blakjak.net Fri Aug 14 17:15:50 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Fri Aug 14 17:16:06 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] alternatives to ms project In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770908132055i49042580jbc595be7a96e754e@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770908132055i49042580jbc595be7a96e754e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <34013.119.15.0.26.1250226950.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Robin Suggest you put this on NZLUG as well. Wider audience would be of value for a question such as this. I'm yet to find anything in the F/OSS world that performs the job of MS Project so will be interested in the responses myself. Mark. On Fri, August 14, 2009 3:55 pm, Robin Paulson wrote: > hi all, > we're implementing computer-based project planning at work > (medium-sized engineering company), for project managers to keep tabs > on design, manufacture and installation of aircon systems. > > the IT dept are a microsoft only shop, the management have heard of ms > project, and we have one unused license already, so ms project is the > default that everyone is moving towards. i'm keen to push the floss > angle if possible, for cost savings alone if nothing else. ms project > is ~$1,000 per seat, so that shouldn't be hard. > > i've already hit a few hurdles, like "ms project is the industry > standard", "if it's free, it can't be that good", "i know microsoft > stuff", and some bizarre stuff around it being ok for ms/other > well-known products to fail, but 'unknown' software not to, etc., etc, > so i've got a battle on > > based upon experience, can anyone suggest any decent, professional, > project management software which is floss? must run on windows of > course, preferably with the option of a centralised db backend rather > than individual project files. and can anyone suggest any good > arguments for the above problems? > > many thanks > > rob > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 18:47:18 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Aug 14 18:47:27 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] alternatives to ms project In-Reply-To: <34013.119.15.0.26.1250226950.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> References: <2f3aa2770908132055i49042580jbc595be7a96e754e@mail.gmail.com> <34013.119.15.0.26.1250226950.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Mark Foster wrote: > Robin > > Suggest you put this on NZLUG as well. Wider audience would be of value > for a question such as this. > > I'm yet to find anything in the F/OSS world that performs the job of MS > Project so will be interested in the responses myself. > > Mark. Ditto. I was looking for a Windows compatible viewer about 6 months back. One of the companies my employer was working with was sending project files (don't know why - seems a silly step). Found a couple of promising projects but nothing that made me jump up and down in joy. Of course, if you don't need MS project compatibility (i.e. anything that isn't a project file) you've probably got a few more options. Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 18:48:55 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Aug 14 18:49:04 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Nevyn wrote: > Hi Guys, > > It's probably time to start discussing software freedom day. Given > that Jaco isn't going to be around this year to drive things... And > I'm preoccupied with the whole software in schools thing - are there > any ideas out there for what could be done this year and anyone who > wants to have a go at driving a small project? > > Regards, > Nevyn. SFD has just been mentioned on NZOSS.... anyone? Are we enthusiastic about this at all? If we want to hand out Ubuntu cd's then we should probably order them now... From shodan.triopt at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 22:57:14 2009 From: shodan.triopt at gmail.com (Bjoern Gross-Hohnacker) Date: Fri Aug 14 22:59:16 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] kernel NULL pointer vulnerability In-Reply-To: <4A8511CB.3090902@cliffp.com> References: <2f3aa2770908132240y213e9b50r417396ef0963f798@mail.gmail.com> <4A8511CB.3090902@cliffp.com> Message-ID: <4A85430A.6010303@gmail.com> Hi @ll, (sorry for the double post but I think that everyone should be aware of this) Just got a view on this article about a new Kernel exploit (13th August 2009): http://lwn.net/Articles/347006/ all kernels since May 2001 (2.4.4 up to including 2.4.37.4 as well as 2.6.0 up to 2.6.30.4) are effected. There is already a fully working exploit available: http://grsecurity.net/~spender/wunderbar_emporium.tgz I just tried and can confirm it for OpenSuse 11 in VirtualBox. It gives an unprivileged user full root access - no mplayer required this is just a gaget of the exploit. A fix was committed but still needs to be integrated as a patch for current distributions I guess there will be a lot of work involving the patching systems for the next weeks ... Cheers, Bjoern From jis at quicksilver.net.nz Fri Aug 14 23:29:38 2009 From: jis at quicksilver.net.nz (jis@quicksilver.net.nz) Date: Fri Aug 14 23:30:41 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 51, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <200908130009.n7D09Whw009757@gaffer.hosts.net.nz> References: <200908130009.n7D09Whw009757@gaffer.hosts.net.nz> Message-ID: <4A85F362.21080.11423C5@jis.quicksilver.net.nz> > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:36:55 +1200 > From: Nevyn > Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux in Schools - ideas.... > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Guys, > > Obviously I've been thinking about this an awful lot of late. > Currently I've sort of shortened my scope so that I'm working on the > community rather than the specific project I had outlined earlier. I > think it's more important at this point to have the resources > collected in one place rather than the situation I have at the moment > where there are various conversations all happening at the same time > with no regard to the other conversations. > > So I've gotten a bit of test space to see if I can get mailman working > with a certain provider (freeparking.co.nz) and am working on this at > the moment. I've been thinking about the website (and of course, the > name with I'm still a little lost on) which has also caused me to > expand my scope a little bit. The expansion comes around the idea that > we should be looking at the philosophy rather than JUST Linux. > > Bring about the idea of sharing information and contributing etc. to > provide resources that can be used just about everywhere. I think this > is pretty much what School Forge are doing except that I think there's > a lot of space to fill in the gaps with local knowledge. So that would > imply a wiki. > > And then I was thinking about the idea of projects. A friend of mine > is a teacher in a primary school and was talking about timetables. > Given a set of resources (music, drama etc.) and a set of rules (a > class may only be in a room at one time, there should be at least 2 > time intervals between each use of these resources, no class should > use any of the resources more than once a day) and a list of classes, > the computer should be able to work out how best to organise each > class (not the programming class...) use of the resources and be able > to present the information in a variety of formats. i.e. for each > class, for each resource etc. I was thinking that we should have an > area where schools can ask questions about what software is out there > and if it doesn't exist, then we offer a bounty on it. i.e. schools > pitch in a small amount of money if they feel it'd be of value to > them, and we go about programming it and distributing that money > around based upon contribution to those who have contributed. I'd call > the list a hit list. An item can be "hit" if a resource has been found > to match their needs or by programming it ourselves. So that'd cover > the software side of things (what does everyone think?). Does anyone > know of such an application? > > And then back to the idea of donating computers and doing pilots etc., > this would also be a project but would need it's own resources (i.e. > it's own mailing list and wiki page). > > Am I thinking along the right sort of lines? What does everyone think? > The hit list thing would have to wait until we've got a means to > handle money (i.e. make ourselves into a non-profit > business/organisation). > > Also, has anyone had a play with mailman? I'm not sure I can do > anything with the mta except perhaps to set up an email account so I'm > wondering if I need to know anything about the mta before playing with > mailman... Also, if anyone knows of a good tutorial, I'd be much > obliged. > > Regards, > Nevyn. I think that a web site is a good starting point as a place to pool N.Z. specific resources including support, success stories and links to other relevant web sites including http://www.schoolforge.net One thing which would be helpful in relation to convincing school staff is the availability of school administration software. Most schools seem to be using Kamar (http://www.kamar.co.nz). Schoolforge doesn't mention school administration software. There are at least two FLOSS projects for linux in that regard (See http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Education/Open-Administration-for- Schools-2873.shtml and http://www.schooltool.org). Perhaps one of these could be taylored to N.Z. requirements. Don Johnston From nevynh at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 00:52:47 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sat Aug 15 00:52:58 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 51, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <4A85F362.21080.11423C5@jis.quicksilver.net.nz> References: <200908130009.n7D09Whw009757@gaffer.hosts.net.nz> <4A85F362.21080.11423C5@jis.quicksilver.net.nz> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 11:29 PM, wrote: > > I think that a web site is a good starting point as a place to pool > N.Z. specific resources including support, success stories and links > to other relevant web sites including http://www.schoolforge.net > > One thing which would be helpful in relation to convincing school > staff is the availability of school administration software. Most > schools seem to be using Kamar (http://www.kamar.co.nz). Schoolforge > doesn't mention school administration software. There are at least > two FLOSS projects for linux in that regard (See > http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Education/Open-Administration-for- > Schools-2873.shtml and http://www.schooltool.org). Perhaps one of > these could be taylored to N.Z. requirements. > > Don Johnston I suspect that a lot of the functions of Kamar will be found in smaller applications. i.e. timetabling can be found in fet ( found here: http://lalescu.ro/liviu/fet/ ). I'm concerned about applications which may connect to the MOE in some way. I'm not sure if any do but these are the ones which would be troublesome to knock off. Otherwise, an interactive, web based (read: ajax) application which would allow different people different views on the same information (i.e. time tables) would be a big plus here. Linux in the background, doesn't matter which client you're using... Regards, Nevyn. From arbscht at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 02:12:28 2009 From: arbscht at gmail.com (Abhishek Reddy) Date: Sat Aug 15 02:12:52 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6da08ade0908140712i9c74f6fx64d7570e60fd7ca2@mail.gmail.com> I'd like to see something happen in Auckland -- and contribute to organising it given mutual interest. I'm guessing no one's responding here for the same reason I didn't: there isn't a good idea what to do on the day. So what would people like to do, if anything? Last year, I believe (going by my mail archives) there was an effort to distribute Ubuntu discs, which might have fallen through. There was mention of collaborating with neighbouring LUGs -- Hibiscus, Pakuranga etc. Is anyone here involved with those groups, and can tell us if there's a chance of pooling efforts? Personally, distributing discs alone isn't very appealing. I'd love to see at least some discussions, demos and what have you. Not necessarily on the scale of SFD Wellington, or logistically complex (installfest no, hackathon maybe), given the low interest and absent sponsorship. Cheers On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Nevyn wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Nevyn wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > > > It's probably time to start discussing software freedom day. Given > > that Jaco isn't going to be around this year to drive things... And > > I'm preoccupied with the whole software in schools thing - are there > > any ideas out there for what could be done this year and anyone who > > wants to have a go at driving a small project? > > > > Regards, > > Nevyn. > > SFD has just been mentioned on NZOSS.... anyone? Are we enthusiastic > about this at all? If we want to hand out Ubuntu cd's then we should > probably order them now... > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Abhishek Reddy http://abhishek.geek.nz From nevynh at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 07:14:37 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sat Aug 15 07:14:48 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <6da08ade0908140712i9c74f6fx64d7570e60fd7ca2@mail.gmail.com> References: <6da08ade0908140712i9c74f6fx64d7570e60fd7ca2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 2:12 AM, Abhishek Reddy wrote: > I'd like to see something happen in Auckland -- and contribute to organising > it given mutual interest. > > I'm guessing no one's responding here for the same reason I didn't: there > isn't a good idea what to do on the day. > > So what would people like to do, if anything? > > Last year, I believe (going by my mail archives) there was an effort to > distribute Ubuntu discs, which might have fallen through. ?There was mention > of collaborating with neighbouring LUGs -- Hibiscus, Pakuranga etc. > > Is anyone here involved with those groups, and can tell us if there's a > chance of pooling efforts? > > Personally, distributing discs alone isn't very appealing. ?I'd love to see > at least some discussions, demos and what have you. ?Not necessarily on the > scale of SFD Wellington, or logistically complex (installfest no, hackathon > maybe), given the low interest and absent sponsorship. > > Cheers > > -- > Abhishek Reddy > http://abhishek.geek.nz Pakuranga LUG tend to stay right under the radar. I'm not sure about Hibiscus Coast. Personally I'd like a bit more of the philosophy and the natural feel of that philosophy (as children we're taught to share) come out. Perhaps we could do up some leaflets. Sort of a "What is Open Source all about?" sort of informational thing. (and then we could pair up and go door to door wearing dressy black pants, white shirts and a tux tie helping people understand...). Actually... when it comes down to it... what do people do for SFD?!? I remember seeing a photo of Waikato LUG who had used a mall in Hamilton and had a person dressed up as a penguin. If anyone has a penguin costume I'll dress up in it (so long as it fits of course)... Regards, Nevyn. From jis at quicksilver.net.nz Sun Aug 16 18:31:48 2009 From: jis at quicksilver.net.nz (jis@quicksilver.net.nz) Date: Sun Aug 16 18:32:04 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Linux in schools In-Reply-To: <200908150003.n7F035UG009654@gaffer.hosts.net.nz> References: <200908150003.n7F035UG009654@gaffer.hosts.net.nz> Message-ID: <4A885094.17079.771411@jis.quicksilver.net.nz> > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 00:52:47 +1200 > From: Nevyn > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 51, Issue 11 > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 11:29 PM, wrote: > > > > I think that a web site is a good starting point as a place to pool > > N.Z. specific resources including support, success stories and links > > to other relevant web sites including http://www.schoolforge.net > > > > One thing which would be helpful in relation to convincing school > > staff is the availability of school administration software. Most > > schools seem to be using Kamar (http://www.kamar.co.nz). Schoolforge > > doesn't mention school administration software. There are at least > > two FLOSS projects for linux in that regard (See > > http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Education/Open-Administration-for- > > Schools-2873.shtml and http://www.schooltool.org). Perhaps one of > > these could be taylored to N.Z. requirements. > > > > Don Johnston > > I suspect that a lot of the functions of Kamar will be found in > smaller applications. i.e. timetabling can be found in fet ( found > here: http://lalescu.ro/liviu/fet/ ). I'm concerned about applications > which may connect to the MOE in some way. I'm not sure if any do but > these are the ones which would be troublesome to knock off. > Otherwise, an interactive, web based (read: ajax) application which > would allow different people different views on the same information > (i.e. time tables) would be a big plus here. Linux in the background, > doesn't matter which client you're using... > > Regards, > Nevyn. Kamar appears to have been produced by Kamar Ltd in Mt Maunganui, not by the MOE. It seems to have the lion's share of the N.Z. secondary school market. I don't know about primary and intermediate schools. If there isn't a suitable good school administration package either for linux then that could hinder the uptake of linux in schools as far as teachers' computers are concerned. One of the FLOSS packages which I mentioned is web based and the other is not. I saw an article about Albany Senior High School in the August issue of N.Z. PC World. Don Johnston From brent.addis at spit.gen.nz Mon Aug 17 09:23:33 2009 From: brent.addis at spit.gen.nz (Brent Addis) Date: Mon Aug 17 09:23:49 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] alternatives to ms project In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770908132116h6b30e020m35087fb67494163d@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770908132055i49042580jbc595be7a96e754e@mail.gmail.com> <1250223077.18717.10.camel@baddis-laptop> <2f3aa2770908132116h6b30e020m35087fb67494163d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1250457813.5828.8.camel@baddis-laptop> Sorry, thats the one -----Original Message----- From: Robin Paulson Reply-to: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] alternatives to ms project Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:16:16 +1200 2009/8/14 Brent Addis : > Everyone around here uses mx project, while I use openproject. Haven't > had a single compatibility issue yet, and I prefer the interface. > > I'm pretty sure theres a windows version too. do you mean openproj?: http://openproj.org/openproj i can't find anything called openproject that's usable _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From mdiesch at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 09:38:04 2009 From: mdiesch at gmail.com (Mafu) Date: Mon Aug 17 09:37:32 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] alternatives to ms project In-Reply-To: <1250457813.5828.8.camel@baddis-laptop> References: <2f3aa2770908132055i49042580jbc595be7a96e754e@mail.gmail.com> <1250223077.18717.10.camel@baddis-laptop> <2f3aa2770908132116h6b30e020m35087fb67494163d@mail.gmail.com> <1250457813.5828.8.camel@baddis-laptop> Message-ID: <0397F87D-5818-43F1-B695-0146317B9B89@gmail.com> Check out redmine, I've found it to be pretty good Sent from mobile On 17/08/2009, at 9:23, Brent Addis wrote: > Sorry, thats the one > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin Paulson > Reply-to: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] alternatives to ms project > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:16:16 +1200 > > > 2009/8/14 Brent Addis : >> Everyone around here uses mx project, while I use openproject. >> Haven't >> had a single compatibility issue yet, and I prefer the interface. >> >> I'm pretty sure theres a windows version too. > > do you mean openproj?: > > http://openproj.org/openproj > > i can't find anything called openproject that's usable > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 17 12:56:42 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Aug 17 12:56:52 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <560498.99851.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Howdy, Sorry I'm jumping in late. Re SFD: My suggestion is some sort of workshop/show&tell; something hands-on to engage the hands, eyes & imaginations (& pockets). Nevyn's been doing a LOT of work on the Schools project, so that may be something that may have broad appeal & something that makes sense to the parents. Personally, I'm partial to support this particular endeavor Another suggestion, would be to get local FOSS players to connect with their client?le: if you are a techie that specializes in FLOSS technologies (or even just support), this may be a good opportunity to work up sales leads. (i.e. VoIP'ers, media ppl, trainers, DTS specialists, etc) Re disks; I'll see that I can source from Canonical for us, but I would suggest people mosey over to https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ for freebies. This may go some way to bolster our need. Of course, we should by no means limit ourselves to only Ubuntu, but also promote other "brands", including FLOSS on win. Of course, for other points to be aware of: * Venue. Last time it was in Devonport, & RvB may be available (but I've got an idea of the prevailing feeling of the venue), so if this is not suitable, another venue should be sought (possibly a school, to keep with the Schools theme?) * Sponsorship.... (always a sore point) Sponsorship need NOT only be $$$, but can take the form of hardware, freebees, munchies, etc. If, say, Novell is the principal sponsor, personally I have no qualms of promoting OpenSUSE. Maybe start with a "kittie": I'll throw in $20-50 into the pot * Presentations * Participating parties * Ideas, ideas, ideas... * dry-run / pre-event demo * Timeline If we can get the creative juices flowing, I'm certain we can get consensus by the end of the month & have something to show about a week or 2 prior to the event. After that, it's simply working out the kinks & marketing/awareness OK. so that's my 2c's. - Jaco From robin.paulson at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 13:24:30 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Mon Aug 17 13:24:39 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] alternatives to ms project In-Reply-To: <0397F87D-5818-43F1-B695-0146317B9B89@gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770908132055i49042580jbc595be7a96e754e@mail.gmail.com> <1250223077.18717.10.camel@baddis-laptop> <2f3aa2770908132116h6b30e020m35087fb67494163d@mail.gmail.com> <1250457813.5828.8.camel@baddis-laptop> <0397F87D-5818-43F1-B695-0146317B9B89@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770908161824i316b02b9l197b94f2028c000e@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/17 Mafu : > Check out redmine, I've found it to be pretty good could you give a bit more detail? does it for instance allow a centralised db backend? how functionally does it comapre to ms project (assuming you've used it)? From robin.paulson at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 13:26:09 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Mon Aug 17 13:26:17 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] alternatives to ms project In-Reply-To: <1250223077.18717.10.camel@baddis-laptop> References: <2f3aa2770908132055i49042580jbc595be7a96e754e@mail.gmail.com> <1250223077.18717.10.camel@baddis-laptop> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770908161826s756ef710lcf47007ceffe76c0@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/14 Brent Addis : > Everyone around here uses mx project, while I use openproject. Haven't > had a single compatibility issue yet, and I prefer the interface. > > I'm pretty sure theres a windows version too. there is indeed, i believe it's all java-based. could you explain any issues you've had with using it? is it feature complete compared to ms project? and can it connect to a remote server for coordinating between multiple users? cheers From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 17 15:12:48 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Aug 17 15:12:57 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] OpenStreetMap @ Wired Message-ID: <447985.31099.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thanks for that other info, btw. http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/OpenStreetMaps_Project_Takes_Maps_in_a_Different_Direction From mdiesch at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 18:02:00 2009 From: mdiesch at gmail.com (Mafu) Date: Mon Aug 17 18:01:13 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] alternatives to ms project In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770908161824i316b02b9l197b94f2028c000e@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770908132055i49042580jbc595be7a96e754e@mail.gmail.com> <1250223077.18717.10.camel@baddis-laptop> <2f3aa2770908132116h6b30e020m35087fb67494163d@mail.gmail.com> <1250457813.5828.8.camel@baddis-laptop> <0397F87D-5818-43F1-B695-0146317B9B89@gmail.com> <2f3aa2770908161824i316b02b9l197b94f2028c000e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <11659933-362A-4E54-9A98-ECB1C24D85A2@gmail.com> It's a web app, not ms project compatible but includes wiki and message board functions, more appropriate in an agile project environment I would say. Links to subversion which is nice and includes bug tracking type functionality as well Sent from mobile On 17/08/2009, at 13:24, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/8/17 Mafu : >> Check out redmine, I've found it to be pretty good > > could you give a bit more detail? does it for instance allow a > centralised db backend? how functionally does it comapre to ms project > (assuming you've used it)? > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From robin.paulson at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 18:55:57 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Mon Aug 17 18:56:06 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] OpenStreetMap @ Wired In-Reply-To: <447985.31099.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <447985.31099.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770908162355p4341e884g93c1055de198b167@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/17 Jaco van der Merwe : > Thanks for that other info, btw. > > http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/OpenStreetMaps_Project_Takes_Maps_in_a_Different_Direction > excellent, cheers for that jaco. i'm really impressed with sites like wired, slashdot, theregister and heise, every so often they give osm some great coverage, accompanied each time by a surge in users/edit how did you get on with those osm editors for phones by the way, were they useful? From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 17 20:30:58 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Aug 17 20:31:28 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] OpenStreetMap @ Wired In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770908162355p4341e884g93c1055de198b167@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <768562.23352.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Sorry, no, not at all. Unfortunately I'm hobbled with the that is a BlackBerry (it's a work/testing thing), so my options are very limited at present. Found this tracker app (http://www.bbtracker.org), so we'll see how it goes Suggested the OSM project to a couple of mates back in SA, so we'll see how they run with it Cheers - Jaco --- On Mon, 17/8/09, Robin Paulson wrote: > From: Robin Paulson > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] OpenStreetMap @ Wired > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Date: Monday, 17 August, 2009, 9:55 AM > 2009/8/17 Jaco van der Merwe : > > Thanks for that other info, btw. > > > > http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/OpenStreetMaps_Project_Takes_Maps_in_a_Different_Direction > > > > excellent, cheers for that jaco. i'm really impressed with > sites like > wired, slashdot, theregister and heise, every so often they > give osm > some great coverage, accompanied each time by a surge in > users/edit > > how did you get on with those osm editors for phones by the > way, were > they useful? > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From robin.paulson at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 21:16:19 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Mon Aug 17 21:16:29 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] OpenStreetMap @ Wired In-Reply-To: <768562.23352.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <2f3aa2770908162355p4341e884g93c1055de198b167@mail.gmail.com> <768562.23352.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770908170216p190a82a4j33213a0539c9ac8c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/17 Jaco van der Merwe : > Sorry, no, not at all. > > Unfortunately I'm hobbled with the that is a BlackBerry (it's a work/testing thing), so my options are very limited at present. ah, right. does it have java of any kind? i think there are some java apps for osm > > Found this tracker app (http://www.bbtracker.org), so we'll see how it goes jesus, that's one of the ugliest apps i've seen in a long time.... > > Suggested the OSM project to a couple of mates back in SA, so we'll see how they run with it > great stuff. spread the word From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 18 11:04:03 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Aug 18 11:04:13 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] OpenStreetMap @ Wired In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770908170216p190a82a4j33213a0539c9ac8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277769.73356.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Well, the BB device *does* have java, but it's restricted in some VERY peculiar ways; the "preferred" mechanism to load on apps & data is via the "official" tool, which is, surprise-surprise, windows only (a mac version was released recently), and even then non-BB-native apps are VERY limited in their access to resources (which kinda makes sense: you don't really want unsigned/un-sanctioned app to root your device), such as which way traffic moves (over carrier network vs wifi; I'm having LOTS of fun trying to get VoIP to work properly). As it is, that app is loaded, but I'm having difficulty getting it to use the internal GPS module. It's able to make use of an external bluetooth GPS device, but not yet the on-board one. But, aesthetics aside, all I really want the app for is to gather geo data that I can then upload to the OSM service. Now if only there was some generic mobile app to gather geo data from GSM networks....but s'pose you'll need the mobile operators' cooperation on that one (anyone know what 2degrees & Telecom's stance is on providing that data?) - J From justin at skull.co.nz Tue Aug 18 11:08:36 2009 From: justin at skull.co.nz (Justin Cook) Date: Tue Aug 18 11:08:46 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] OpenStreetMap @ Wired In-Reply-To: <277769.73356.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <2f3aa2770908170216p190a82a4j33213a0539c9ac8c@mail.gmail.com> <277769.73356.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <93a52e0e0908171608t122bdd5dj1993b0be7c57d44e@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/18 Jaco van der Merwe > Well, the BB device *does* have java, but it's restricted in some VERY > peculiar ways; the "preferred" mechanism to load on apps & data is via the > "official" tool, which is, surprise-surprise, windows only (a mac version > was released recently), and even then non-BB-native apps are VERY limited in > their access to resources (which kinda makes sense: you don't really want > unsigned/un-sanctioned app to root your device), such as which way traffic > moves (over carrier network vs wifi; I'm having LOTS of fun trying to get > VoIP to work properly). > > As it is, that app is loaded, but I'm having difficulty getting it to use > the internal GPS module. It's able to make use of an external bluetooth GPS > device, but not yet the on-board one. > > But, aesthetics aside, all I really want the app for is to gather geo data > that I can then upload to the OSM service. > > Now if only there was some generic mobile app to gather geo data from GSM > networks....but s'pose you'll need the mobile operators' cooperation on that > one (anyone know what 2degrees & Telecom's stance is on providing that > data?) I had a look around for a J2ME app that would run on a Nokia 3110 Classic (which runs virutally anything) but I wasn't able to find one that worked. Can anyone recommend either an online or offline solution? I don't have GPS but I'd be just as happy to zoom and pan around the map, save me carrying a map book around. From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 14:52:57 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Aug 18 14:53:07 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <560498.99851.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <560498.99851.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Howdy, > > Sorry I'm jumping in late. > > Re SFD: My suggestion is some sort of workshop/show&tell; something hands-on to engage the hands, eyes & imaginations (& pockets). > Nevyn's been doing a LOT of work on the Schools project, so that may be something that may have broad appeal & something that makes sense to the parents. Personally, I'm partial to support this particular endeavor > > Another suggestion, would be to get local FOSS players to connect with their client?le: if you are a techie that specializes in FLOSS technologies (or even just support), this may be a good opportunity to work up sales leads. (i.e. VoIP'ers, media ppl, trainers, DTS specialists, etc) > > Re disks; I'll see that I can source from Canonical for us, but I would suggest people mosey over to https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ for freebies. This may go some way to bolster our need. > Of course, we should by no means limit ourselves to only Ubuntu, but also promote other "brands", including FLOSS on win. > > Of course, for other points to be aware of: > * Venue. Last time it was in Devonport, & RvB may be available (but I've got an idea of the prevailing feeling of the venue), so if this is not suitable, another venue should be sought (possibly a school, to keep with the Schools theme?) > * Sponsorship.... (always a sore point) Sponsorship need NOT only be $$$, but can take the form of hardware, freebees, munchies, etc. If, say, Novell is the principal sponsor, personally I have no qualms of promoting OpenSUSE. Maybe start with a "kittie": I'll throw in $20-50 into the pot > * Presentations > * Participating parties > * Ideas, ideas, ideas... > * dry-run / pre-event demo > * Timeline > > If we can get the creative juices flowing, I'm certain we can get consensus by the end of the month & have something to show about a week or 2 prior to the event. After that, it's simply working out the kinks & marketing/awareness > > OK. so that's my 2c's. > > - Jaco I'm pretty happy to do a talk on the whole Linux in Schools thing though... we still need to come up with a name for this. I'm also advocating running Open Source on top of Windows though I think the emphasis still needs to be on Freedom... 'nuff of that. We've got a month... We really should start getting rolling on this now if we are going to do anything... Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 15:01:27 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Aug 18 15:01:36 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: References: <560498.99851.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Nevyn wrote: > > I'm pretty happy to do a talk on the whole Linux in Schools thing > though... we still need to come up with a name for this. I'm also > advocating running Open Source on top of Windows though I think the > emphasis still needs to be on Freedom... 'nuff of that. > > We've got a month... We really should start getting rolling on this > now if we are going to do anything... > > Regards, > Nevyn. Also... given that Auckland's a fairly big place, we could also do events based on region... From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 19:28:43 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Aug 18 19:28:54 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] OpenStreetMap @ Wired In-Reply-To: <277769.73356.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <2f3aa2770908170216p190a82a4j33213a0539c9ac8c@mail.gmail.com> <277769.73356.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770908180028p2cef3025m779ead66f9a40cdb@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/18 Jaco van der Merwe : > Well, the BB device *does* have java, but it's restricted in some VERY peculiar ways; the > "preferred" mechanism to load on apps & data is via the "official" tool, which is, surprise- > surprise, windows only (a mac version was released recently), and even then non-BB- > native apps are VERY limited in their access to resources (which kinda makes sense: you > don't really want unsigned/un-sanctioned app to root your device), such as which way > traffic hmm. that's one possibility - the other is that blackberry, like a lot of tech companies realise the benefits (money!!) of being control freaks regarding hardware they sell. > moves (over carrier network vs wifi; I'm having LOTS of fun trying to get VoIP to work > properly). yeah, we've been here with apple, haven't we? > As it is, that app is loaded, but I'm having difficulty getting it to use the internal GPS > module. It's able to make use of an external bluetooth GPS device, but not yet the > on-board one. > > But, aesthetics aside, all I really want the app for is to gather geo data that I can then > upload to the OSM service. > > Now if only there was some generic mobile app to gather geo data from GSM > networks....but s'pose you'll need the mobile operators' cooperation on that one (anyone > know what 2degrees & Telecom's stance is on providing that data?) well, there's a couple of projects being talked about on the openmoko mailing lists that do just that. there's openbmap.org and opencellid.org , both of which aim to collect this data (of course, both go for different data, and the two won't merge to boost the overall effort...). both have custom software for collecting data. there's nothing telecom and vodafone can do about it either, although i'm sure they wish there was. as we speak, i imagine a telco somewhere is putting together a dmca notice, claiming the location of their cell sites is copyrighted data From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 19:34:12 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Aug 18 19:34:20 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] OpenStreetMap @ Wired In-Reply-To: <93a52e0e0908171608t122bdd5dj1993b0be7c57d44e@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770908170216p190a82a4j33213a0539c9ac8c@mail.gmail.com> <277769.73356.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <93a52e0e0908171608t122bdd5dj1993b0be7c57d44e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770908180034q6f7215bas262d2102be19ff64@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/18 Justin Cook : > I had a look around for a J2ME app that would run on a Nokia 3110 Classic > (which runs virutally anything) but I wasn't able to find one that worked. > Can anyone recommend either an online or offline solution? I don't have GPS > but I'd be just as happy to zoom and pan around the map, save me carrying a > map book around. if there's nothing useful earlier in this thread, have a search on the wiki for osm: wiki.openstreetmap.org sorry i can't help more, i know next to zero about j2me and mobile phones From greg at primesoft.co.nz Wed Aug 19 09:16:52 2009 From: greg at primesoft.co.nz (Greg Stevenson) Date: Wed Aug 19 09:17:32 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Advise on an Rsync regime of VMvare server 2 virtual machines. Message-ID: <015601ca2049$34d7a690$9e86f3b0$@co.nz> I have a plan for backing up my virtual guest machines on my collocated server. It goes like this. Writing a script for a nightly cron job that 1. dumps the databases to file inside the virtual machine. 2. using rsync copies the running virtual machine to another volume on the host. 3. Snapshot the virtual machine Then back at my offices I will run a cronjob on my freenas server that uses rsync to copy the virtual machines off the backup volume in the datacentre then makes a gzipped copy in a Monday thru Sunday directory structure. This should leave me 9 copies of each virtual machine plus the running machine and it's snapshot. Freenas has iscsi support which I can connect to with my VMware Hosts at the office thus allowing me to quickly restore individual files from up to a week ago. Questions 1. Will the Rsync of a running machine create a large probability of a corrupted backup? 2. Will I get better bandwidth utilisation if I break the .vmdks into 2Gb files or doesn't it matter? 3. Are the questions above redundant as there is a much better way using open source software? Thanks in advance. Greg From jis at quicksilver.net.nz Wed Aug 19 09:42:26 2009 From: jis at quicksilver.net.nz (jis@quicksilver.net.nz) Date: Wed Aug 19 09:42:34 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Increasing virtual disk size Message-ID: <4A8BC902.18667.5A51D3@jis.quicksilver.net.nz> I am setting up virtual machines using VMware Server 1 and I am unsure as to how much virtual disk space to allow for each one. For speed reasons, I want to use fixed size virtual disks. If I find that a virtual disk isn't big enough, is it possible to increase the size? From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Aug 19 09:45:34 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Aug 19 09:45:44 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Increasing virtual disk size In-Reply-To: <4A8BC902.18667.5A51D3@jis.quicksilver.net.nz> Message-ID: <208919.23710.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I know that it's a fairly simple proposition in KVM; not sure how to do it in VMWare Another strategy that may work for you is to provision a disk, add it to the system as another mount & then dd the data across - J From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 11:41:19 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 19 11:41:29 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Increasing virtual disk size In-Reply-To: <4A8BC902.18667.5A51D3@jis.quicksilver.net.nz> References: <4A8BC902.18667.5A51D3@jis.quicksilver.net.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:42 AM, wrote: > I am setting up virtual machines using VMware Server 1 and I am > unsure as to how much virtual disk space to allow for each one. For > speed reasons, I want to use fixed size virtual disks. If I find that > a virtual disk isn't big enough, is it possible to increase the size? You could make this about the operating system... Use LVM when partitioning your hard drives, when you need more just create a new virtual disk and add it. Regards, Nevyn From daniel at rimspace.net Wed Aug 19 13:09:19 2009 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Wed Aug 19 13:09:38 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Advise on an Rsync regime of VMvare server 2 virtual machines. In-Reply-To: <015601ca2049$34d7a690$9e86f3b0$@co.nz> (Greg Stevenson's message of "Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:16:52 +1200") References: <015601ca2049$34d7a690$9e86f3b0$@co.nz> Message-ID: <87y6pg624g.fsf@rimspace.net> "Greg Stevenson" writes: > I have a plan for backing up my virtual guest machines on my collocated > server. It goes like this. > > Writing a script for a nightly cron job that > 1. dumps the databases to file inside the virtual machine. > 2. using rsync copies the running virtual machine to another volume on > the host. Here, you mean "the files inside the virtual machine", right? > 3. Snapshot the virtual machine Otherwise you got these two in the reverse order, or missed step 4, which is to repeat the rsync, based on the file in step 2, from the snapshotted disk image. Without one of those two changes what you will have is an enormously corrupt disk image, ready to cause you incredible expense and data loss if you ever try to restore from it in need.[1] > Then back at my offices I will run a cronjob on my freenas server that uses > rsync to copy the virtual machines off the backup volume in the datacentre > then makes a gzipped copy in a Monday thru Sunday directory structure. > > This should leave me 9 copies of each virtual machine plus the running > machine and it's snapshot. *nod* That would make a reasonable disaster recovery strategy. You might want to think about some sort of archival strategy, though, so you can respond when someone asks for access to a single file restored after they messed it up a month ago or whatever... > Freenas has iscsi support which I can connect to with my VMware Hosts at the > office thus allowing me to quickly restore individual files from up to a > week ago. Personally, I would just treat the virtual machine like a regular physical machine and runs backups of the content inside suitable for a bare-metal restore. Plus, enough configuration notes to recreate the VM as needed. I like BackupPC for the purpose, but whatever backup strategy you use elsewhere is probably quite reasonable. Regards, Daniel Footnotes: [1] ...probably when you bench-test it, too, but since the rsync process and writes to the virtual disk are more or less racing each other you /could/ have it pass on the bench and fail in production if you were unlucky. -- ? Daniel Pittman ? daniel@rimspace.net ? +61 401 155 707 ? made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons Looking for work? Love Perl? In Melbourne, Australia? We are hiring. From michael.auckland at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 13:48:12 2009 From: michael.auckland at gmail.com (Michael) Date: Wed Aug 19 13:48:21 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Advise on an Rsync regime of VMvare server 2 virtual machines. In-Reply-To: <87y6pg624g.fsf@rimspace.net> References: <015601ca2049$34d7a690$9e86f3b0$@co.nz> <87y6pg624g.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: <35207fdf0908181848v26958b75o69bee2997a7a886a@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Daniel Pittman wrote: > "Greg Stevenson" writes: > >> I have a plan for backing up my virtual guest machines on my collocated >> server. It goes like this. >> >> Writing a script for a nightly cron job that >> 1. dumps the databases to file inside the virtual machine. >> 2. using rsync copies the running virtual machine to another volume on >> ? ?the host. > > Here, you mean "the files inside the virtual machine", right? > >> 3. Snapshot the virtual machine >-- If you have lvm running then supend VM, make lvm snapshot, resume VM, mount lvm-snapshot, rsync (tar) files to backup server, delete lvm snapshot. All works very well. ( run on vmware server 1.0.9 ) -- Michael From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 14:02:30 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 19 14:02:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: References: <560498.99851.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Nevyn wrote: > > Also... given that Auckland's a fairly big place, we could also do > events based on region... How would people feel about something at RvB? I'm thinking a day of presentations (here's a chance to let people know what excites you about Linux), handing out leaflets (who's good at writing this sort of thing?) etc. If we can get a sponsor, it'd be great if we could have a sausage sizzle or something of the sort (in exchange for being able to plaster advertising for which ever business they are around the place). Basically a celebration of the philosophy that most of us subscribe to. Regards, Nevyn. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Aug 19 14:12:03 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Aug 19 14:12:19 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <492167.53194.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> sound good to me; I'm leaning towards a "workshop" & a environment for FLOSS business-owners to pitch their wares always keen for sizzling sausages :) -J From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 14:13:31 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 19 14:13:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Suitable Name Message-ID: Hi Guys, In a flash of brilliance ( well okay, it was more a sleepy eyed "Hey, what about?"), I came up with "OITS". So okay, doesn't look all that impressive right? Well... okay, it's not. But like I've said previously I've been struggling to find a suitable name for the former "Linux In Schools" project. I think I may have found it - Open Information Technology in Schools. Is ambiguous enough to encompass everything I'm hoping the initiative is going to do and isn't too wordy. What does everything think? Have we got a winner? Regards, Nevyn. From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Aug 19 14:37:17 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Aug 19 14:37:27 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Suitable Name In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21334.119.15.0.26.1250649437.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> POINTS. Promoting[1] Open INformation Technology in Schools. ? [1]Open to better 'P' words. Placing? Preparing? Plonking? :) On Wed, August 19, 2009 2:13 pm, Nevyn wrote: > Hi Guys, > > In a flash of brilliance ( well okay, it was more a sleepy eyed "Hey, > what about?"), I came up with "OITS". So okay, doesn't look all that > impressive right? Well... okay, it's not. But like I've said > previously I've been struggling to find a suitable name for the former > "Linux In Schools" project. I think I may have found it - Open > Information Technology in Schools. Is ambiguous enough to encompass > everything I'm hoping the initiative is going to do and isn't too > wordy. What does everything think? Have we got a winner? > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 14:46:47 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 19 14:46:55 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Suitable Name In-Reply-To: <21334.119.15.0.26.1250649437.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> References: <21334.119.15.0.26.1250649437.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Mark Foster wrote: > POINTS. > > Promoting[1] Open INformation Technology in Schools. > > ? > > [1]Open to better 'P' words. ?Placing? Preparing? Plonking? > > :) Horah! Now we're cooking. Possums and Open Information Technology in Schools? We all know that schools need more possums right? From justin at skull.co.nz Wed Aug 19 15:53:21 2009 From: justin at skull.co.nz (Justin Cook) Date: Wed Aug 19 15:53:29 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Suitable Name In-Reply-To: References: <21334.119.15.0.26.1250649437.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Message-ID: <93a52e0e0908182053l363f0ba5j848450cbbedf8ab8@mail.gmail.com> Speaking as someone who hates all the internet jargon you nerds produce, go with OITS. At least it's short and memorable. POINTS is just sort of long. 2009/8/19 Nevyn > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Mark Foster wrote: > > POINTS. > > > > Promoting[1] Open INformation Technology in Schools. > > > > ? > > > > [1]Open to better 'P' words. Placing? Preparing? Plonking? > > > > :) > > Horah! Now we're cooking. Possums and Open Information Technology in > Schools? We all know that schools need more possums right? > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 16:14:30 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 19 16:14:42 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Suitable Name In-Reply-To: <93a52e0e0908182053l363f0ba5j848450cbbedf8ab8@mail.gmail.com> References: <21334.119.15.0.26.1250649437.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <93a52e0e0908182053l363f0ba5j848450cbbedf8ab8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Justin Cook wrote: > Speaking as someone who hates all the internet jargon you nerds produce, go > with OITS. At least it's short and memorable. POINTS is just sort of long. Oh go on... I don't think I've ever had the chance to create jargon to date. I'll allow someone else to take credit for the lol's and rtfm etc. Points is an actual word which is what appeals about it. Although we'd still need to do something with the P. Points could be sort of an informal version when speaking about it... then it'd be Promoters of Open INformation Technology in Schools which would at the very avoid that really quick spelling out of letters... Regards, Nevyn. From apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz Wed Aug 19 16:36:31 2009 From: apelly at monkeymasters.co.nz (Aaron Pelly) Date: Wed Aug 19 16:36:41 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Suitable Name In-Reply-To: <93a52e0e0908182053l363f0ba5j848450cbbedf8ab8@mail.gmail.com> References: <21334.119.15.0.26.1250649437.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <93a52e0e0908182053l363f0ba5j848450cbbedf8ab8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <044901ca2086$a01e0970$e05a1c50$@co.nz> oits.co.nz & oits.org.nz are available points.co.nz is taken, but .org.nz is available > -----Original Message----- > From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] > On Behalf Of Justin Cook > Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 3:53 p.m. > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Suitable Name > > Speaking as someone who hates all the internet jargon you nerds produce, > go > with OITS. At least it's short and memorable. POINTS is just sort of long. > > 2009/8/19 Nevyn > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Mark Foster wrote: > > > POINTS. > > > > > > Promoting[1] Open INformation Technology in Schools. > > > > > > ? > > > > > > [1]Open to better 'P' words. Placing? Preparing? Plonking? > > > > > > :) > > > > Horah! Now we're cooking. Possums and Open Information Technology in > > Schools? We all know that schools need more possums right? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From gordonisnz at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 18:46:54 2009 From: gordonisnz at gmail.com (Gordon Stewart) Date: Wed Aug 19 18:47:26 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Suitable Name In-Reply-To: <044901ca2086$a01e0970$e05a1c50$@co.nz> References: <21334.119.15.0.26.1250649437.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <93a52e0e0908182053l363f0ba5j848450cbbedf8ab8@mail.gmail.com> <044901ca2086$a01e0970$e05a1c50$@co.nz> Message-ID: <9a3273a00908182346r20977446qa5d63790f79edd9a@mail.gmail.com> LOTIS Linux Open Technology In Schools... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotis -- G Freecycle Auckland :- http://www.freecycle.org/ From thetoolman at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 19:21:32 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Wed Aug 19 19:21:42 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Suitable Name In-Reply-To: <9a3273a00908182346r20977446qa5d63790f79edd9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <21334.119.15.0.26.1250649437.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <93a52e0e0908182053l363f0ba5j848450cbbedf8ab8@mail.gmail.com> <044901ca2086$a01e0970$e05a1c50$@co.nz> <9a3273a00908182346r20977446qa5d63790f79edd9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think OTIS is better; why restrict to Linux! 2009/8/19 Gordon Stewart > LOTIS > > Linux Open Technology In Schools... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotis > > -- > G > Freecycle Auckland :- > http://www.freecycle.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 20:35:29 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 19 20:35:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <492167.53194.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <492167.53194.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > sound good to me; I'm leaning towards a "workshop" & a environment for FLOSS business-owners to pitch their wares > > always keen for sizzling sausages :) > > -J I reckon this is going to take sod all time to set up. What really needs to be sorted is people willing to do presentations/workshops. I'm willing to do a presentation on OITS (this name will do for now). Anyone else want to 'ave a go? Perhaps produce a couple of pamphlets explaining what OpenSource really is. We shouldn't have too hard a time finding a sponsor if we're actually going somewhere (rather than just asking for ideas). Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 20:44:17 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 19 20:44:26 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <6da08ade0908140712i9c74f6fx64d7570e60fd7ca2@mail.gmail.com> References: <6da08ade0908140712i9c74f6fx64d7570e60fd7ca2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 2:12 AM, Abhishek Reddy wrote: > I'd like to see something happen in Auckland -- and contribute to organising > it given mutual interest. > > I'm guessing no one's responding here for the same reason I didn't: there > isn't a good idea what to do on the day. > > So what would people like to do, if anything? > > Last year, I believe (going by my mail archives) there was an effort to > distribute Ubuntu discs, which might have fallen through. ?There was mention > of collaborating with neighbouring LUGs -- Hibiscus, Pakuranga etc. > > Is anyone here involved with those groups, and can tell us if there's a > chance of pooling efforts? > > Personally, distributing discs alone isn't very appealing. ?I'd love to see > at least some discussions, demos and what have you. ?Not necessarily on the > scale of SFD Wellington, or logistically complex (installfest no, hackathon > maybe), given the low interest and absent sponsorship. > > Cheers Hi Abhishek, Sorry - I thought I had replied to this. Seems I only replied to half of it. Anyway, to answer your queries about last year, something did take place at Devonport. It was organised by Jaco and was from what I've heard a learning exercise more than anything else. It was indeed just handing out of cd's. I'm not entirely sure there's much we can collaborate on in terms of other LUGS. If I've figured the landscape out right, then at the moment every other group out there seems to be stating and advertising what they're doing about now. We are way behind. We have a very small Window to get ourselves sorted here. There's even talk about some of our efforts being put up on the TV3 website. Perhaps we can talk about this at the *ahem* Linux at Schools */ahem* meeting. Regards, Nevyn. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Wed Aug 19 20:57:33 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Aug 19 20:57:42 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <392143.29659.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Perhaps we can talk about this at the *ahem* Linux at > Schools */ahem* meeting. When & where did you have in mind? Will there be beer? - Jaco From zed at zed.net.nz Wed Aug 19 21:04:58 2009 From: zed at zed.net.nz (zed) Date: Wed Aug 19 21:05:05 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Suitable Name In-Reply-To: References: <21334.119.15.0.26.1250649437.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <93a52e0e0908182053l363f0ba5j848450cbbedf8ab8@mail.gmail.com> <044901ca2086$a01e0970$e05a1c50$@co.nz> <9a3273a00908182346r20977446qa5d63790f79edd9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Tim Toolman wrote: > I think OTIS is better; why restrict to Linux! > Miss OTIS regrets she is unable to lunch today. :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Otis_Regrets Sorry! Couldn't resist. Zed -- zed From gordonisnz at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 21:08:46 2009 From: gordonisnz at gmail.com (Gordon Stewart) Date: Wed Aug 19 21:09:15 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Suitable Name In-Reply-To: References: <21334.119.15.0.26.1250649437.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <93a52e0e0908182053l363f0ba5j848450cbbedf8ab8@mail.gmail.com> <044901ca2086$a01e0970$e05a1c50$@co.nz> <9a3273a00908182346r20977446qa5d63790f79edd9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9a3273a00908190208uef8f073x97ff20d17fb2309@mail.gmail.com> Hi. are there any Linux RSS readers / Validators ? -- G Freecycle Auckland :- http://www.freecycle.org/ From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Aug 19 22:07:53 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Aug 19 22:08:12 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] [Fwd: [nzlug] What is your Local LUG doing for Software Freedom day?] Message-ID: <4A8BCEF9.9080603@blakjak.net> Forgive the crosspost... the question below seems quite valid :-) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [nzlug] What is your Local LUG doing for Software Freedom day? Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:39:57 +1200 From: Liz Quilty Reply-To: NZLUG Mailing List To: NZLUG Mailing List Heya Guys/Gals Im doing a blog post on the 3news website, I thought I could promote what some of the local LUGs are doing for Software Freedom day. If anyone has any plans, or knows of local LUGs or other groups who are doing something, can they please get back to me with the following details Who - what group? Where - Addresses are good? you got a hall? or just a meetup at the mall? What - Giving away CDs? Got a demonstration going? Speakers? When - Is there a specific time you are doing yours? I've sent this to NZLUG rather than crosspost to all the other mailing lists , so can you please forward this email to any other LUGs or computer groups you are on :) Regards, Liz Quilty liz@velofille.com _______________________________________________ NZLUG mailing list NZLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nzlug From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 22:22:22 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 19 22:22:34 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <392143.29659.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <392143.29659.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >> Perhaps we can talk about this at the *ahem* Linux at >> Schools */ahem* meeting. > > When & where did you have in mind? > Will there be beer? > > - Jaco Thinking the meeting that's already been announced (about a month ago I think - I was onto it). It's posted up at linux.net.nz. I'll send out a reminder probably within the next couple of days. The Dominion, 234 Dominion Road. 7:00 pm, 26th of August. Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 22:25:03 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 19 22:25:13 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Suitable Name In-Reply-To: <9a3273a00908190208uef8f073x97ff20d17fb2309@mail.gmail.com> References: <21334.119.15.0.26.1250649437.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <93a52e0e0908182053l363f0ba5j848450cbbedf8ab8@mail.gmail.com> <044901ca2086$a01e0970$e05a1c50$@co.nz> <9a3273a00908182346r20977446qa5d63790f79edd9a@mail.gmail.com> <9a3273a00908190208uef8f073x97ff20d17fb2309@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Gordon Stewart wrote: > Hi. > > are there any Linux RSS readers / Validators ? > > -- > G > Freecycle Auckland :- > http://www.freecycle.org/ Umm.. hijacked thread??!!? Can you please post this as a separate subject? and as a new message rather than replying? Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 22:26:26 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 19 22:26:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] [Fwd: [nzlug] What is your Local LUG doing for Software Freedom day?] In-Reply-To: <4A8BCEF9.9080603@blakjak.net> References: <4A8BCEF9.9080603@blakjak.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Mark Foster wrote: > Forgive the crosspost... the question below seems quite valid :-) :) long story short - trying to kick up some dust and get something happening.... From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Aug 19 22:33:56 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Aug 19 22:34:19 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Suitable Name In-Reply-To: References: <21334.119.15.0.26.1250649437.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <93a52e0e0908182053l363f0ba5j848450cbbedf8ab8@mail.gmail.com> <044901ca2086$a01e0970$e05a1c50$@co.nz> <9a3273a00908182346r20977446qa5d63790f79edd9a@mail.gmail.com> <9a3273a00908190208uef8f073x97ff20d17fb2309@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Nevyn wrote: > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Gordon Stewart wrote: >> Hi. >> >> are there any Linux RSS readers / Validators ? >> >> -- >> G >> Freecycle Auckland :- >> http://www.freecycle.org/ > > Umm.. hijacked thread??!!? Can you please post this as a separate > subject? and as a new message rather than replying? Yes, good call. I'd added it to the NZLUG Acceptable Use Policy, but forgotton to do it for the Auckland LUG. Fixed now. http://auckland.linux.net.nz/aup.html Mark. From yorick_ at openoffice.org Wed Aug 19 23:17:36 2009 From: yorick_ at openoffice.org (Graham Lauder) Date: Wed Aug 19 23:18:27 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: References: <492167.53194.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200908192317.36966.yorick_@openoffice.org> On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:35:29 Nevyn wrote: > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Jaco van der > > Merwe wrote: > > sound good to me; I'm leaning towards a "workshop" & a environment for > > FLOSS business-owners to pitch their wares > > > > always keen for sizzling sausages :) > > > > -J > > I reckon this is going to take sod all time to set up. What really > needs to be sorted is people willing to do presentations/workshops. > I'm willing to do a presentation on OITS (this name will do for now). > Anyone else want to 'ave a go? Perhaps produce a couple of pamphlets > explaining what OpenSource really is. We shouldn't have too hard a > time finding a sponsor if we're actually going somewhere (rather than > just asking for ideas). > > Regards, > Nevyn. I'm doing a presentation at the WLUGs SFD event at 11. I would be happy to zip up and do one at the Auck event, say about 2:30. It would give us a chance to catch up on the POINTS/OITS/whatever initiative as well. (So I'm a nerd, I like the POINTS one :D ) If someone wants to ping Zonker Brockmeier from the OpenSUSE project I'm sure he'd be able to supply some OpenSUSE DVDs. -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org From yorick_ at openoffice.org Wed Aug 19 23:20:52 2009 From: yorick_ at openoffice.org (Graham Lauder) Date: Wed Aug 19 23:21:35 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: References: <492167.53194.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200908192320.53127.yorick_@openoffice.org> On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:35:29 Nevyn wrote: > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Jaco van der > > Merwe wrote: > > sound good to me; I'm leaning towards a "workshop" & a environment for > > FLOSS business-owners to pitch their wares > > > > always keen for sizzling sausages :) > > > > -J > > I reckon this is going to take sod all time to set up. What really > needs to be sorted is people willing to do presentations/workshops. > I'm willing to do a presentation on OITS (this name will do for now). > Anyone else want to 'ave a go? Perhaps produce a couple of pamphlets > explaining what OpenSource really is. We shouldn't have too hard a > time finding a sponsor if we're actually going somewhere (rather than > just asking for ideas). > > Regards, > Nevyn. > Oh and while I think of it, Datacom has a Giant stuffed Penguin that would be good to have around.... At least I think they do, it's either there or Enterprise IT on the Shore have it. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 20 10:07:17 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Aug 20 10:07:29 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <200908192317.36966.yorick_@openoffice.org> Message-ID: <890894.96063.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thanks Graham, I think it'll be great if we can get some big vendors on board that provide enterprise-class FLOSS products & services to show that the industry's "grown up", and to assist those that plan on migrating away from a pure-proprietary environment. Anyone have contacts for RHEL? - J From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 20 10:23:14 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Aug 20 10:23:24 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Auckland SFD (repost from off-list) Message-ID: <549436.99483.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Been kicking some ideas around, and we'd like to do a bit more than simply handing out disks (I put in an order for 50-odd disks from https://shipit.ubuntu.com) Some ideas we had, was to do some sort of workshop, seeing as we've been talking about it a lot but haven't done anything yet. I remember from a while back (think it was after Mr.Olliver's RepRap presentation), that some FLOSS fellas have trouble engaging with their target market. The idea is to try & engage with local FLOSS business-owners & stakeholders & maybe get them to present their products & services, and possibly lend a hand to prospective customers & host a space where they can showcase their products & services & to answer some questions. Some of this could include, but by no means be limited to: Media & entertainment, VoIP, security, arduino/robotics, education, training, support, products, presentations, licensing, legal & finance, etc, etc Other things that need arranging: * Someone to take the lead. Nevyn & I are very happy to do what we can, but we lack the experience or authority to pull this off effectively (public speaking & what-not) * Venue: Deshan @ RvB is usually eager to get traffic to his venue & he does have facilities, but I know what the prevailing felling is. This is a good fall-back option if we're unable to make other arrangements in time. Suggested criteria: central location with fair amount of foot-traffic * "Sponsorship": not only taking $$$ here, but more in terms of logistics; hardware, refreshments. * Marketing & exposure: suspect this is half of the battle. Twitter/idendi.ca, facebook, newspapers, etc, etc. We can learn much from the excellent work done by the Wellingtonians. Thanks to Ms.Quilty for her offer * Helpers: we need people that know what they're talking of, or are able to fill in where needed * Some big vendors to lend brand-recognition/visibility to the effort Nevyn's suggested getting together over a few beer to discuss the Shools project (POINTS?) & chew the fat re the SFD As you may have picked up, I'm arranging my wedding for October, so my attention will be divided, but otherwise I'll make myself available to lending hand however I can Kind regards - Jaco From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 20 15:13:17 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Aug 20 15:13:29 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Software Freedom Day Message-ID: <420868.86384.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thanks for the info; I'll drop them a mail to see if they're willing to at least attend or represent RHEL (sponsorship in this case may not only be about $$$). Sorry to hear about your predicament (and from what I've heard, you are not alone). Are you still looking for work & what sort of skill-set do you have to offer? One of the ideas that feed into this event/workshop, would be for people like yourself to connect with prospective employers or customers & forge those networking bonds. You may have to take a reduced paycheck, but I suspect that that just the economy we find ourselves in at present. - Jaco --- On Thu, 20/8/09, DL Neil wrote: > From: DL Neil > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Re: Software Freedom Day > To: freakalad@yahoo.co.uk > Date: Thursday, 20 August, 2009, 4:25 AM > Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > Thanks Graham, > > > > I think it'll be great if we can get some big vendors > on board that provide enterprise-class FLOSS products & > services to show that the industry's "grown up", and to > assist those that plan on migrating away from a > pure-proprietary environment. > > > > Anyone have contacts for RHEL? > > > > - J > > > Jaco, > > Recently I have been talking to: > Jennifer Tan > Red Hat Account Manager > Direct: +61 3 9624 8161? Fax: 1800 508 681 > Subscription | Training & Certification | Professional > Services > Enterprise Linux | JBoss Middleware | MetaMatrix | IPA | > MRG > > (jetan@redhat.com) > > in order to 'plug-in' to RH-sponsored events here in New > Zealand. > > I would start with her, although once she'd put me on their > mailing list, she did say: > If you need to contact Red Hat directly , please contact > Roland or myself, for any assistance / information. > > Roland Feurer > Red Hat Senior MDM > Ingram Micro New Zealand > Mob: +64 21 776 661 | Tel: +64 9 414 0100 > roland.feurer@ingrammicro.co.nz > > Hope this will be of assistance, > Regards, > =dn > > PS I am currently without work and without fixed > abode/undecided if should stay (return to this country) or > head back to LON. Please keep us aware of your event > planning. If I'm in AKL on the right date, I may be able to > help in some way... > From lilypatch at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 19:42:19 2009 From: lilypatch at gmail.com (David Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 20 19:42:34 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Dead server. Message-ID: <4A8CFE5B.4040704@gmail.com> Hope someone can help. We have a server running on Mandrake 9. It died in the hotel yesterday afternoon. Last night we took it back to the workshop and diagnosed the operating system was stuffed up. I changed the power supply and swapped in another drive which comes with the proprietary software installed, and took it back last night. I logged in a few hours later and all was well. This afternoon same problem. I couldn't log in remotely or directly on the server. Alt Ctl + Del caused it to start to shut down and then hang. On restart the same errors occurred. INIT: ENTERING RUN LEVEL : 3 INIT: ID "2" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES INIT: ID "3" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES INIT: ID "4" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES INIT: ID "5" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES INIT: ID "6" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES INIT: ID "9" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES INIT: ID "10" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES INIT: ID "11" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES INIT: NO MORE PROCESSES LEFT IN THIS RUN LEVEL Any suggestions on how to fix this without having to reconfigure the drive for this particular hotel would be appreciated. Thanks David From greg at primesoft.co.nz Thu Aug 20 08:01:15 2009 From: greg at primesoft.co.nz (greg@primesoft.co.nz) Date: Thu Aug 20 21:06:42 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Advise on an Rsync regime of VMvare server 2 virtual machines. In-Reply-To: <35207fdf0908181848v26958b75o69bee2997a7a886a@mail.gmail.com> References: <015601ca2049$34d7a690$9e86f3b0$@co.nz> <87y6pg624g.fsf@rimspace.net> <35207fdf0908181848v26958b75o69bee2997a7a886a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <63754.10.0.0.254.1250712075.squirrel@mail.primesoft.co.nz> > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Daniel Pittman > wrote: >> "Greg Stevenson" writes: >> >>> I have a plan for backing up my virtual guest machines on my collocated >>> server. It goes like this. >>> >>> Writing a script for a nightly cron job that >>> 1. dumps the databases to file inside the virtual machine. >>> 2. using rsync copies the running virtual machine to another volume on >>> ? ?the host. >> >> Here, you mean "the files inside the virtual machine", right? >> >>> 3. Snapshot the virtual machine >>-- > > If you have lvm running then supend VM, make lvm snapshot, resume VM, > mount lvm-snapshot, rsync (tar) files to backup server, delete lvm > snapshot. > > All works very well. ( run on vmware server 1.0.9 ) > I was trying to avoid pausing the machine but I don't think I can get away with it. Thanks > > > -- > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From greg at primesoft.co.nz Thu Aug 20 07:59:07 2009 From: greg at primesoft.co.nz (greg@primesoft.co.nz) Date: Thu Aug 20 21:06:42 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Advise on an Rsync regime of VMvare server 2 virtual machines. In-Reply-To: <87y6pg624g.fsf@rimspace.net> References: <015601ca2049$34d7a690$9e86f3b0$@co.nz> <87y6pg624g.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: <63737.10.0.0.254.1250711947.squirrel@mail.primesoft.co.nz> > "Greg Stevenson" writes: > >> I have a plan for backing up my virtual guest machines on my collocated >> server. It goes like this. >> >> Writing a script for a nightly cron job that >> 1. dumps the databases to file inside the virtual machine. >> 2. using rsync copies the running virtual machine to another volume on >> the host. > > Here, you mean "the files inside the virtual machine", right? > Yes >> 3. Snapshot the virtual machine > > Otherwise you got these two in the reverse order, or missed step 4, which > is > to repeat the rsync, based on the file in step 2, from the snapshotted > disk > image. > > Without one of those two changes what you will have is an enormously > corrupt > disk image, ready to cause you incredible expense and data loss if you > ever > try to restore from it in need.[1] > How about I replace step 1 with pause the virtual machine and have the services go offline for a while in the middle of the night? Obviously I would then have to add a step 4 and unpause the machine when the rsync is complete. >> Then back at my offices I will run a cronjob on my freenas server that >> uses >> rsync to copy the virtual machines off the backup volume in the >> datacentre >> then makes a gzipped copy in a Monday thru Sunday directory structure. >> >> This should leave me 9 copies of each virtual machine plus the running >> machine and it's snapshot. > > *nod* That would make a reasonable disaster recovery strategy. You might > want to think about some sort of archival strategy, though, so you can > respond > when someone asks for access to a single file restored after they messed > it up > a month ago or whatever... > >> Freenas has iscsi support which I can connect to with my VMware Hosts at >> the >> office thus allowing me to quickly restore individual files from up to a >> week ago. > > Personally, I would just treat the virtual machine like a regular physical > machine and runs backups of the content inside suitable for a bare-metal > restore. Plus, enough configuration notes to recreate the VM as needed. > > I like BackupPC for the purpose, but whatever backup strategy you use > elsewhere is probably quite reasonable. > > Regards, > Daniel > > Footnotes: > [1] ...probably when you bench-test it, too, but since the rsync process > and > writes to the virtual disk are more or less racing each other you > /could/ > have it pass on the bench and fail in production if you were unlucky. > > -- > ??? Daniel Pittman ??? daniel@rimspace.net ??? +61 > 401 155 707 > ??? made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons > Looking for work? Love Perl? In Melbourne, Australia? We are hiring. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > Thanks Greg From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 21:48:18 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 20 21:48:27 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Dead server. In-Reply-To: <4A8CFE5B.4040704@gmail.com> References: <4A8CFE5B.4040704@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 7:42 PM, David Bowen wrote: > Hope someone can help. > > We have a server running on Mandrake 9. > It died in the hotel yesterday afternoon. Last night we took it back to the > workshop and diagnosed the operating system was stuffed up. > I changed the power supply and swapped in another drive which comes with the > proprietary software installed, and took it back last night. I logged in a > few hours later and all was well. This afternoon same problem. I couldn't > log in remotely or directly on the server. Alt Ctl + Del caused it to start > to shut down and then hang. On restart the same errors occurred. > > INIT: ?ENTERING RUN LEVEL : 3 > INIT: ID "2" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES > INIT: ID "3" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES > INIT: ID "4" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES > INIT: ID "5" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES > INIT: ID "6" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES > INIT: ID "9" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES > INIT: ID "10" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES > INIT: ID "11" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES > INIT: NO MORE PROCESSES LEFT IN THIS RUN LEVEL > > Any suggestions on how to fix this without having to reconfigure the drive > for this particular hotel would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > David Hi David, The error can mean a whole lot of things. Normally it's got something to do with /etc/inittab. Basically what's happening is that each of your terminals is restarting 10 times in 2 minutes (or something along those lines). Having 11 terminals I'd imagine would be a little unusual. I can't really confirm this as I don't have an inittab file on my Debian system. You should hopefully be able to go into single user mode to make any modifications given that "Init ID 1" doesn't appear to be having any problems. There's some information here: http://www.unixguide.net/linux/faq/09.24.shtml Basically it says to comment out the offending lines. You should see something along the lines of: # Run gettys in standard runlevels 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty1 2:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty2 3:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty3 4:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty4 5:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty5 6:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty6 I would suggest only keeping 6 at the most. If you're loading up into gdm, try loading up into init 3 and see if that helps at all. Some problems can occur due to video card drivers. So if you've done a recent update, there's the risk of the video drivers causing you grief. Regards, Nevyn. From daniel at rimspace.net Thu Aug 20 22:11:22 2009 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Thu Aug 20 22:11:56 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Advise on an Rsync regime of VMvare server 2 virtual machines. In-Reply-To: <63737.10.0.0.254.1250711947.squirrel@mail.primesoft.co.nz> (greg@primesoft.co.nz's message of "Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:59:07 +1200 (NZST)") References: <015601ca2049$34d7a690$9e86f3b0$@co.nz> <87y6pg624g.fsf@rimspace.net> <63737.10.0.0.254.1250711947.squirrel@mail.primesoft.co.nz> Message-ID: <87y6pex0ad.fsf@rimspace.net> greg@primesoft.co.nz writes: >> "Greg Stevenson" writes: >> >>> I have a plan for backing up my virtual guest machines on my collocated >>> server. It goes like this. >>> >>> Writing a script for a nightly cron job that >>> 1. dumps the databases to file inside the virtual machine. >>> 2. using rsync copies the running virtual machine to another volume on >>> the host. >> >> Here, you mean "the files inside the virtual machine", right? > > Yes That is fine, and as I noted, how I prefer to do backups ? even for virtual machines rather than physical ones. >>> 3. Snapshot the virtual machine >> >> Otherwise you got these two in the reverse order, or missed step 4, which >> is to repeat the rsync, based on the file in step 2, from the snapshotted >> disk image. >> >> Without one of those two changes what you will have is an enormously >> corrupt disk image, ready to cause you incredible expense and data loss if >> you ever try to restore from it in need.[1] > > How about I replace step 1 with pause the virtual machine and have the > services go offline for a while in the middle of the night? Well, the problem is that rsync reads the file end-to-end while it sends it. For a virtual disk, which is gigabytes in size, this means that there is a delay of at least a few seconds, and often as much as minutes, between when it reads block 0 and block 1,000,000. If the disk is in use while this is happening then you obviously get different parts of the disk from different times. That is what causes the corruption. So, to answer the specific question: would suspending the VM, and so writes to the disk, fix this? Yes, it would. > Obviously I would then have to add a step 4 and unpause the machine when the > rsync is complete. *nod* ...or, as others noted, use LVM to snapshot the file while the machine is suspended, then resume afterwards, and rsync from the snapshot. That will reduce your downtime significantly, but does presuppose you can LVM snapshot whatever underlying device. Regards, Daniel -- ? Daniel Pittman ? daniel@rimspace.net ? +61 401 155 707 ? made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons Looking for work? Love Perl? In Melbourne, Australia? We are hiring. From jrt746 at clear.net.nz Fri Aug 21 00:37:27 2009 From: jrt746 at clear.net.nz (John Rye) Date: Fri Aug 21 00:37:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Dead server. In-Reply-To: <4A8CFE5B.4040704@gmail.com> References: <4A8CFE5B.4040704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090821003727.8282abe4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:42:19 +1200 David Bowen wrote: > Hope someone can help. > > We have a server running on Mandrake 9. > It died in the hotel yesterday afternoon. Last night we took it back to > the workshop and diagnosed the operating system was stuffed up. > I changed the power supply and swapped in another drive which comes with > the proprietary software installed, and took it back last night. I > logged in a few hours later and all was well. This afternoon same > problem. I couldn't log in remotely or directly on the server. Alt Ctl + > Del caused it to start to shut down and then hang. On restart the same > errors occurred. > > INIT: ENTERING RUN LEVEL : 3 > INIT: ID "2" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES > INIT: ID "3" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES > INIT: ID "4" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES > INIT: ID "5" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES > INIT: ID "6" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES > INIT: ID "9" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES > INIT: ID "10" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES > INIT: ID "11" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES > INIT: NO MORE PROCESSES LEFT IN THIS RUN LEVEL > > Any suggestions on how to fix this without having to reconfigure the > drive for this particular hotel would be appreciated. If I recall correctly this _WAS_ something to do with the X server configuration in Mandrake 9.0 and 9.1. Is there any chance that your video card has failed or that the X server configuration files have become corrupted? I suspect you'll be using XFree86 for the server. As Neyvn suggested, boot to Lilo and select Failsafe. Once you're at the prompt, enter 'init 3' and watch the screen output for the error message. If all looks Ok, login as root and run 'startx' to start the X-server - watch for messages again - you should see a whole bunch if the server fails to start - you're interested in those which begin with '(ee)' or '(EE)' Report back No chance you could update the opsys? MDK 9 is very old now? John From lilypatch at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 06:13:36 2009 From: lilypatch at gmail.com (David Bowen) Date: Fri Aug 21 06:13:47 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Dead server. In-Reply-To: <20090821003727.8282abe4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> References: <4A8CFE5B.4040704@gmail.com> <20090821003727.8282abe4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <4A8D9250.5090201@gmail.com> John Rye wrote: > On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:42:19 +1200 > David Bowen wrote: > > >> Hope someone can help. >> >> We have a server running on Mandrake 9. >> It died in the hotel yesterday afternoon. Last night we took it back to >> the workshop and diagnosed the operating system was stuffed up. >> I changed the power supply and swapped in another drive which comes with >> the proprietary software installed, and took it back last night. I >> logged in a few hours later and all was well. This afternoon same >> problem. I couldn't log in remotely or directly on the server. Alt Ctl + >> Del caused it to start to shut down and then hang. On restart the same >> errors occurred. >> >> INIT: ENTERING RUN LEVEL : 3 >> INIT: ID "2" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES >> INIT: ID "3" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES >> INIT: ID "4" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES >> INIT: ID "5" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES >> INIT: ID "6" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES >> INIT: ID "9" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES >> INIT: ID "10" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES >> INIT: ID "11" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES >> INIT: NO MORE PROCESSES LEFT IN THIS RUN LEVEL >> >> Any suggestions on how to fix this without having to reconfigure the >> drive for this particular hotel would be appreciated. >> > > If I recall correctly this _WAS_ something to do with the X server > configuration in Mandrake 9.0 and 9.1. > > Is there any chance that your video card has failed or that the X server > configuration files have become corrupted? I suspect you'll be using > XFree86 for the server. > > As Neyvn suggested, boot to Lilo and select Failsafe. > Once you're at the prompt, enter 'init 3' and watch the screen output for > the error message. > > If all looks Ok, login as root and run 'startx' to start the X-server - > watch for messages again - you should see a whole bunch if the server > fails to start - you're interested in those which begin with '(ee)' or > '(EE)' > > Report back > > No chance you could update the opsys? MDK 9 is very old now? > > John > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > Thanks John and Nevyn for the reply. We swapped the first drive into another server and still had the same issue. I ran the box on mem test overnight and went through 37 times without error too. Yes, Mandrake 9 is old, but the app is written into the OS. Proprietary of course, so not much chance of updating it. The same reason that we still have an older system running Dos6.2/Windows 3.11! They are getting phased out, but are normally reliable, if a bit limited in function. I tried to go into failsafe, but it errors at the start of the boot process. It does not have a GUI installed, I am not sure if that means it doesn't need to start X? All config is done by command line or through an HTML interface remotely. I was disturbed by the number of broken links to linuxconf. The /usr/lib/linuxconf/redhat/scripts/linuxconf directory tree that one was pointing at was missing from redhat. I puttied into another site and confirmed it was there on that one. I was just looking at /var/log this morning for signs of it being hacked. Thanks David From lilypatch at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 06:16:41 2009 From: lilypatch at gmail.com (David Bowen) Date: Fri Aug 21 06:16:50 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Dead server. In-Reply-To: References: <4A8CFE5B.4040704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A8D9309.7070808@gmail.com> > Another thing > Basically what's happening is that each of your terminals is restarting 10 times in 2 minutes (or something along those lines). This is restarting in more like 10 seconds! David From David.Hawke at ppfort.net Fri Aug 21 06:33:46 2009 From: David.Hawke at ppfort.net (David Hawke) Date: Fri Aug 21 06:33:56 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Dead server. In-Reply-To: <4A8D9250.5090201@gmail.com> References: <4A8CFE5B.4040704@gmail.com> <20090821003727.8282abe4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4A8D9250.5090201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A8D970A.40907@ppfort.net> David Bowen wrote: > John Rye wrote: >> On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:42:19 +1200 >> David Bowen wrote: >> >> >>> Hope someone can help. >>> >>> We have a server running on Mandrake 9. >>> It died in the hotel yesterday afternoon. Last night we took it back >>> to the workshop and diagnosed the operating system was stuffed up. >>> I changed the power supply and swapped in another drive which comes >>> with the proprietary software installed, and took it back last >>> night. I logged in a few hours later and all was well. This >>> afternoon same problem. I couldn't log in remotely or directly on >>> the server. Alt Ctl + Del caused it to start to shut down and then >>> hang. On restart the same errors occurred. >>> >>> INIT: ENTERING RUN LEVEL : 3 >>> INIT: ID "2" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES >>> INIT: ID "3" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES >>> INIT: ID "4" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES >>> INIT: ID "5" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES >>> INIT: ID "6" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES >>> INIT: ID "9" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES >>> INIT: ID "10" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES >>> INIT: ID "11" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES >>> INIT: NO MORE PROCESSES LEFT IN THIS RUN LEVEL >>> >>> Any suggestions on how to fix this without having to reconfigure the >>> drive for this particular hotel would be appreciated. >>> >> >> If I recall correctly this _WAS_ something to do with the X server >> configuration in Mandrake 9.0 and 9.1. >> >> Is there any chance that your video card has failed or that the X server >> configuration files have become corrupted? I suspect you'll be using >> XFree86 for the server. >> >> As Neyvn suggested, boot to Lilo and select Failsafe. >> Once you're at the prompt, enter 'init 3' and watch the screen output >> for >> the error message. >> >> If all looks Ok, login as root and run 'startx' to start the X-server - >> watch for messages again - you should see a whole bunch if the server >> fails to start - you're interested in those which begin with '(ee)' or >> '(EE)' >> >> Report back >> >> No chance you could update the opsys? MDK 9 is very old now? >> >> John >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> > Thanks John and Nevyn for the reply. > > We swapped the first drive into another server and still had the same > issue. > I ran the box on mem test overnight and went through 37 times without > error too. > Yes, Mandrake 9 is old, but the app is written into the OS. > Proprietary of course, so not much chance of updating it. > The same reason that we still have an older system running > Dos6.2/Windows 3.11! > They are getting phased out, but are normally reliable, if a bit > limited in function. > > I tried to go into failsafe, but it errors at the start of the boot > process. > It does not have a GUI installed, I am not sure if that means it > doesn't need to start X? > All config is done by command line or through an HTML interface remotely. > I was disturbed by the number of broken links to linuxconf. > The /usr/lib/linuxconf/redhat/scripts/linuxconf directory tree that > one was pointing at was missing from redhat. > I puttied into another site and confirmed it was there on that one. I > was just looking at /var/log this morning for signs of it being hacked. > OK - 2 suggestions 1: Interrupt the boot process and boot into single user mode so that you get a console and then figure out which lines in inittab are causing this and resolve or 2: Boot from a rescue disk - TRK (Trinity Rescue Kit) or similar is a good pick ... then investigate You will then be able to determine the normal state it boots into, and whether that uses X, or whether it is console only. General pick without probing at the box is either some piece of hw has failed or there has been a corruption of the disk (or removal of something important :-() Many causes are possible - it's a matter of finding the right one :-( David H > Thanks > > David > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 11:08:38 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Aug 21 11:08:48 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Dead server. In-Reply-To: <4A8D9250.5090201@gmail.com> References: <4A8CFE5B.4040704@gmail.com> <20090821003727.8282abe4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4A8D9250.5090201@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:13 AM, David Bowen wrote: > > Thanks John and Nevyn for the reply. > > We swapped the first drive into another server and still had the same issue. > I ran the box on mem test overnight and went through 37 times without error > too. > Yes, Mandrake 9 is old, but the app is written into the OS. Proprietary of > course, so not much chance of updating it. > The same reason that we still have an older system running Dos6.2/Windows > 3.11! > They are getting phased out, but are normally reliable, if a bit limited in > function. > > I tried to go into failsafe, but it errors at the start of the boot process. > It does not have a GUI installed, I am not sure if that means it doesn't > need to start X? > All config is done by command line or through an HTML interface remotely. > I was disturbed by the number of broken links to linuxconf. > The /usr/lib/linuxconf/redhat/scripts/linuxconf directory tree that one was > pointing at was missing from redhat. > I puttied into another site and confirmed it was there on that one. I was > just looking at /var/log this morning for signs of it being hacked. > > Thanks > > David Yeah I was wondering about the whole X thing... it's a server.... and single user mode isn't an option.... which means you're going to at the very least need a livecd to be able to fix any problems. Like I said previously, those errors can mean quite a few things. X is just a very common cause. The fact that's happening on terminals 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10 though implies that the problem is more to do with something to do with spawning the terminals. I don't think terminals 8, 9 or 10 are needed so the first thing I'd do is comment them out (see my earlier email). You could try chroot to use your system from the livecd to be able to do updates to it (yum?). It may be a problem with mgetty. I'm not sure how to fix this at all but running an update might make all your ailments disappear.... Regards, Nevyn. From blakjak at blakjak.net Fri Aug 21 11:15:28 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Fri Aug 21 11:15:38 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Dead server. In-Reply-To: References: <4A8CFE5B.4040704@gmail.com> <20090821003727.8282abe4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4A8D9250.5090201@gmail.com> Message-ID: > > Yeah I was wondering about the whole X thing... it's a server.... and > single user mode isn't an option.... which means you're going to at The error pops up entering run level 3 - which is multi user CLI only. I sincerely doubt any relationship with X (runlevel 5, iirc...) My gut feeling (and i'm inexpert in this) is that some app is crashing and respawning... said app is probably pretty fundamental to the system. The problem having survived a software reload implies a hardware related problem. Swap out the box, mate. :-) In terms of saving the content, agree with the LiveCD approach. I used this successfully myself just recently when the OS disk in one of my machines started playing up. Mark. From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 11:23:10 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Aug 21 11:23:23 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Dead server. In-Reply-To: References: <4A8CFE5B.4040704@gmail.com> <20090821003727.8282abe4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4A8D9250.5090201@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Mark Foster wrote: >> >> Yeah I was wondering about the whole X thing... it's a server.... and >> single user mode isn't an option.... which means you're going to at > > The error pops up entering run level 3 - which is multi user CLI only. I > sincerely doubt any relationship with X (runlevel 5, iirc...) > > My gut feeling (and i'm inexpert in this) is that some app is crashing and > respawning... said app is probably pretty fundamental to the system. > The problem having survived a software reload implies a hardware related > problem. > > Swap out the box, mate. :-) > > In terms of saving the content, agree with the LiveCD approach. I used this > successfully myself just recently when the OS disk in one of my machines > started playing up. > > Mark. *click* A crashing driver can cause this issue thus why it can be an issue with X - video drivers being notorious for having issues. But as Mark says, it could also indicate a hardware failure. Driver gets loaded and tries to initiate hardware - can see the hardware but is not getting the response it's expecting, crashes because it's just plain confused, tries again.... Regards, Nevyn. From jrt746 at clear.net.nz Fri Aug 21 11:50:14 2009 From: jrt746 at clear.net.nz (John Rye) Date: Fri Aug 21 11:50:25 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Dead server. In-Reply-To: <4A8D9250.5090201@gmail.com> References: <4A8CFE5B.4040704@gmail.com> <20090821003727.8282abe4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4A8D9250.5090201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090821115014.0f8074a9.jrt746@clear.net.nz> On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:13:36 +1200 David Bowen wrote: > John Rye wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:42:19 +1200 > > David Bowen wrote: [snip] > > > > If I recall correctly this _WAS_ something to do with the X server > > configuration in Mandrake 9.0 and 9.1. > > > > Is there any chance that your video card has failed or that the X server > > configuration files have become corrupted? I suspect you'll be using > > XFree86 for the server. > > > > As Neyvn suggested, boot to Lilo and select Failsafe. > > Once you're at the prompt, enter 'init 3' and watch the screen output for > > the error message. > > > > If all looks Ok, login as root and run 'startx' to start the X-server - > > watch for messages again - you should see a whole bunch if the server > > fails to start - you're interested in those which begin with '(ee)' or > > '(EE)' > > > > Report back > > > > No chance you could update the opsys? MDK 9 is very old now? > > > > John > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > Thanks John and Nevyn for the reply. > > We swapped the first drive into another server and still had the same issue. > I ran the box on mem test overnight and went through 37 times without > error too. Then the problem is on that drive > Yes, Mandrake 9 is old, but the app is written into the OS. Proprietary > of course, so not much chance of updating it. > The same reason that we still have an older system running > Dos6.2/Windows 3.11! > They are getting phased out, but are normally reliable, if a bit limited > in function. Ok, nuf sed - you have installation media? > > I tried to go into failsafe, but it errors at the start of the boot process. > It does not have a GUI installed, I am not sure if that means it doesn't > need to start X? > All config is done by command line or through an HTML interface remotely. > I was disturbed by the number of broken links to linuxconf. > The /usr/lib/linuxconf/redhat/scripts/linuxconf directory tree that one > was pointing at was missing from redhat. > I puttied into another site and confirmed it was there on that one. I > was just looking at /var/log this morning for signs of it being hacked. I don't think you've been hacked in the usual sense :-) But is seems there's a chunk of file system gone AWOL which is why I asked about installation media above. One possibility (If the drive is OK) could be to run an upgrade install however that's likely to overwrite /bin, /sbin, /usr and /usr sbin at the very least. You've run memtest which seems to indicate the box memory is ok, but have you been able to run any drive diagnostics? I assume you have a data backup? John PS I have ISOs for both MDK 9.0 and 9.1 here if you don't have them. From lilypatch at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 12:06:59 2009 From: lilypatch at gmail.com (David Bowen) Date: Fri Aug 21 12:07:11 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Dead server. In-Reply-To: References: <4A8CFE5B.4040704@gmail.com> <20090821003727.8282abe4.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <4A8D9250.5090201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A8DE523.9080301@gmail.com> Nevyn wrote: > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Mark Foster wrote: > >>> Yeah I was wondering about the whole X thing... it's a server.... and >>> single user mode isn't an option.... which means you're going to at >>> >> The error pops up entering run level 3 - which is multi user CLI only. I >> sincerely doubt any relationship with X (runlevel 5, iirc...) >> >> My gut feeling (and i'm inexpert in this) is that some app is crashing and >> respawning... said app is probably pretty fundamental to the system. >> The problem having survived a software reload implies a hardware related >> problem. >> >> Swap out the box, mate. :-) >> >> In terms of saving the content, agree with the LiveCD approach. I used this >> successfully myself just recently when the OS disk in one of my machines >> started playing up. >> >> Mark. >> > > *click* A crashing driver can cause this issue thus why it can be an > issue with X - video drivers being notorious for having issues. But as > Mark says, it could also indicate a hardware failure. Driver gets > loaded and tries to initiate hardware - can see the hardware but is > not getting the response it's expecting, crashes because it's just > plain confused, tries again.... > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > Thanks guy's Have set up another server on another set of hardware. I have use an Ubuntu live CD to look around and copy off the needed files to set it up for the hotel. No we don't have installation media, as said above, it comes on the drive with the proprietary apps. I don't think it is the drive because this is the second drive we have put in, died in identical fashion in less than 24 hours. We don't add updates, likely to break things, ie the application it is running Thanks anyway. More time for a post mortem later, off now to replace it, hopefully it lasts a bit longer this time!!! David From david.roberts at safecom.co.nz Fri Aug 21 12:16:08 2009 From: david.roberts at safecom.co.nz (David Roberts) Date: Fri Aug 21 12:16:19 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Dead server. In-Reply-To: <4A8CFE5B.4040704@gmail.com> References: <4A8CFE5B.4040704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C08B31BFF3B5D42BCAC255ADDD6EE5E0188B24C@tasbe116.advancedsolutions.co.nz> Hi David, Have you tried recreating the terminals? I have had this issue before and recreating the terminals has fixed it: makedev /dev/tty2 to do them all: for x in 2 3 4 5 6 9 10 11 do makedev /dev/tty$x done Probably only want to try with one at first, see if it fixes your problem, if so, do them all. Cheers, Dave -----Original Message----- From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] On Behalf Of David Bowen Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2009 7:42 p.m. To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list Subject: [AuckLUG] Dead server. Hope someone can help. We have a server running on Mandrake 9. It died in the hotel yesterday afternoon. Last night we took it back to the workshop and diagnosed the operating system was stuffed up. I changed the power supply and swapped in another drive which comes with the proprietary software installed, and took it back last night. I logged in a few hours later and all was well. This afternoon same problem. I couldn't log in remotely or directly on the server. Alt Ctl + Del caused it to start to shut down and then hang. On restart the same errors occurred. INIT: ENTERING RUN LEVEL : 3 INIT: ID "2" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES INIT: ID "3" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES INIT: ID "4" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES INIT: ID "5" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES INIT: ID "6" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES INIT: ID "9" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES INIT: ID "10" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES INIT: ID "11" RESPAWNING TOO FAST: DISABLED FOR FIVE MINUTES INIT: NO MORE PROCESSES LEFT IN THIS RUN LEVEL Any suggestions on how to fix this without having to reconfigure the drive for this particular hotel would be appreciated. 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I would be very keen to look at toys like: * The RepRap again (please Vik) * Arduino's & robotics in general * firewall devices & media-centers * FreeRunner, Android, Palm Pre * Tablets, notebooks & netbooks: Asus (I still have my 701), Dell, HP, etc * Anything else that'll blow my little mind; DIY projects you're working on, even if it's just pics * People willing to sell USB flash-drives to load on OS's on, or to sell any of their wares - J From vik at catalyst.net.nz Fri Aug 21 13:29:23 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Fri Aug 21 13:29:35 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD In-Reply-To: <79988.72095.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <79988.72095.qm@web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A8DF873.2070008@catalyst.net.nz> Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > For the SFD, I'd like to get an idea of the skills & co's we have at our disposal. > > Is anyone here a device-buff? > I would be very keen to look at toys like: > * The RepRap again (please Vik) > Sure. > * Arduino's & robotics in general > I do Arduinos. Got some prototype boards for LCA2010 if other people want to play and do "cool stuff." > * firewall devices & media-centers > * FreeRunner, Android, Palm Pre > * Tablets, notebooks & netbooks: Asus (I still have my 701), Dell, HP, etc > Nokia N700 qualify? > * Anything else that'll blow my little mind; DIY projects you're working on, even if it's just pics > * People willing to sell USB flash-drives to load on OS's on, or to sell any of their wares > If they don't, get a bunch from Deal Extreme and pimp some flash for SFD funds :) Vik :v) From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Fri Aug 21 14:01:40 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Fri Aug 21 14:01:51 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD In-Reply-To: <4A8DF873.2070008@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <523827.80232.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thanks, Vik. Do you sell them too? If so, please put me down for 1; it's probably time I start learning how to build & use them. Otherwise, maybe I should chat to hads @ nicegear.co.nz ....does this fall into the "hackerspace"? On a somewhat seperate note; cross-post from openchat: http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/nzlug/2009-August/017512.html Could be very interesting if we can get the Albany school to participate in this, seeing as they've had some success & can teach us much. I know that this has been mentioned before, but I'm not sure if it was withing the context of what we're attempting Cheers - J --- On Fri, 21/8/09, Vik Olliver wrote: > From: Vik Olliver > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] SFD > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Date: Friday, 21 August, 2009, 4:29 AM > Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > For the SFD, I'd like to get an idea of the skills > & co's we have at our disposal. > > > > Is anyone here a device-buff? I would be very keen to > look at toys like: > > * The RepRap again (please Vik) > >??? > Sure. > > * Arduino's & robotics in general > >??? > I do Arduinos. Got some prototype boards for LCA2010 if > other people want to play and do "cool stuff." > > * firewall devices & media-centers > > * FreeRunner, Android, Palm Pre > > * Tablets, notebooks & netbooks: Asus (I still > have my 701), Dell, HP, etc > >??? > Nokia N700 qualify? > > * Anything else that'll blow my little mind; DIY > projects you're working on, even if it's just pics > > * People willing to sell USB flash-drives to load on > OS's on, or to sell any of their wares > >??? > If they don't, get a bunch from Deal Extreme and pimp some > flash for SFD funds :) > > Vik :v) > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 14:26:55 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Aug 21 14:27:03 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD In-Reply-To: <523827.80232.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4A8DF873.2070008@catalyst.net.nz> <523827.80232.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > On a somewhat seperate note; cross-post from openchat: > http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/nzlug/2009-August/017512.html > Could be very interesting if we can get the Albany school to participate in this, seeing as they've had some success & can teach us much. > I know that this has been mentioned before, but I'm not sure if it was withing the context of what we're attempting > > Cheers > > - J I should probably mention here. The little correspondance I have had with Albany School leads to very very long response times. It took around a month to get back to me for my first email to them. I haven't had a response to my last though I've no doubt it will be replied to. Regards, Nevyn. From vik at catalyst.net.nz Sat Aug 22 21:34:17 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Sat Aug 22 21:34:36 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD In-Reply-To: <523827.80232.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <523827.80232.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A8FBB99.7090405@catalyst.net.nz> On 21/08/09 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Do you sell them too? If so, please put me down for 1; it's probably > time I start learning how to build & use them. > Otherwise, maybe I should chat to hads @ nicegear.co.nz ....does this > fall into the "hackerspace"? Sell which? Arduinos? Prototype boards? Yes, in various versions. I have some Adafruit clones and Sanguinos too. Working on a Pinguino (Arduino powered by a PIC). > On a somewhat seperate note; cross-post from openchat: > http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/nzlug/2009-August/017512.html > Could be very interesting if we can get the Albany school to > participate in this, seeing as they've had some success & can teach > us much. and they have venues, and I think they want to be on board. Questions are being asked... Vik :v) From jis at quicksilver.net.nz Sun Aug 23 10:57:17 2009 From: jis at quicksilver.net.nz (jis@quicksilver.net.nz) Date: Sun Aug 23 10:57:24 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Dual monitors with VMware Message-ID: <4A91208D.26889.9123A3@jis.quicksilver.net.nz> I have Linux Mint and Windows XP virtual machines on VMware Server 1 on a Windows XP host. I use two monitors. I can't move a window within a virtual machine from one monitor to the other whereas this works perfectly on the host. Is there a solution to this problem? Don Johnston From jis at quicksilver.net.nz Sun Aug 23 12:54:24 2009 From: jis at quicksilver.net.nz (jis@quicksilver.net.nz) Date: Sun Aug 23 12:54:31 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Dual monitors with VMware In-Reply-To: <200908230015.n7N0FRdj003642@gaffer.hosts.net.nz> References: <200908230015.n7N0FRdj003642@gaffer.hosts.net.nz> Message-ID: <4A913C00.18348.FC5E91@jis.quicksilver.net.nz> It now appears that the problem is that neither virtual machine can recognise that there are two monitors whereas the host does. The two monitors are on a PCI express card (ATI Radeon X1050). Any suggestions? > I have Linux Mint and Windows XP virtual machines on VMware Server 1 > on a Windows XP host. > > I use two monitors. I can't move a window within a virtual machine > from one monitor to the other whereas this works perfectly on the > host. Is there a solution to this problem? > > Don Johnston From davemc at mcpond.co.nz Sun Aug 23 18:15:05 2009 From: davemc at mcpond.co.nz (David McNeill) Date: Sun Aug 23 18:15:15 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Dual monitors with VMware In-Reply-To: <20090823001608.41A3B61B6E@hood2.interspeed.co.nz> References: <20090823001608.41A3B61B6E@hood2.interspeed.co.nz> Message-ID: <4A90DE69.4010608@mcpond.co.nz> > I have Linux Mint and Windows XP virtual machines on VMware Server 1 on a Windows XP host. Do you suspect the issue with Mint? > I use two monitors. I can't move a window within a virtual machine > from one monitor to the other whereas this works perfectly on the > host. Is there a solution to this problem? > > Don Johnston > > > I have vmware server 1 on Ubuntu host, dual head. With vmware-server-console on a quad head workstation I can make a XP client go to 2390 wide and move windows. If I RDP to WinXP I can ask for a 6000 pixel wide screen and it will give it. I can drag all windows right across. From arbscht at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 23:37:51 2009 From: arbscht at gmail.com (Abhishek Reddy) Date: Sun Aug 23 23:38:00 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD In-Reply-To: <4A8FBB99.7090405@catalyst.net.nz> References: <523827.80232.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A8FBB99.7090405@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <6da08ade0908230437n589c42c1j7570291fb15794f@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I've just noticed that Auckland Uni's LUG is being revived, and they might be planning something for SFD. I don't know if their members are active at AuckLUG too (seems not), so I've asked for more information on their list[1]. I hope they can participate or at least co-ordinate with AuckLUG's effort, if they're not involved already. Btw, what's the status here regarding SFD organisation? Is the next step the meeting on the 26th? [1] http://groups.google.com/group/ualug/ -- Abhishek Reddy http://abhishek.geek.nz From toniosm at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 23:54:31 2009 From: toniosm at gmail.com (Antonio San Miguel) Date: Sun Aug 23 23:54:41 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD In-Reply-To: <6da08ade0908230437n589c42c1j7570291fb15794f@mail.gmail.com> References: <523827.80232.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A8FBB99.7090405@catalyst.net.nz> <6da08ade0908230437n589c42c1j7570291fb15794f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99ab0c040908230454y640618sa35efd19a08a4d40@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Yup Abhishek just posted an email to Auckland Uni's mailing list ( and I just replied, didn't see that there was a post here too). Thanks for the heads up. There are really no concrete plans as of yet, although I've ordered some Ubuntu CDs and plan to distribute them if they arrive in time for SFD. Member activity is at an all time low though because of the rebuilding, but I am personally interested in joining up with AuckLUG in organizing an SFD event. I'll probably have to wait for the other members' replies though. Cheers, Tony From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 01:41:52 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Aug 24 01:42:02 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD In-Reply-To: <6da08ade0908230437n589c42c1j7570291fb15794f@mail.gmail.com> References: <523827.80232.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A8FBB99.7090405@catalyst.net.nz> <6da08ade0908230437n589c42c1j7570291fb15794f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Abhishek Reddy wrote: > > Btw, what's the status here regarding SFD organisation? ?Is the next step > the meeting on the 26th? I've had an email from Albany Senior High School who've offered themselves up as a venue (plus other resources such as projector and connection should we need it) but are also suggesting that we do it a couple of days earlier as it'll be easier to get their students there. There are a couple of choices here. We could: a) Insist on doing it at Albany on the actual day. b) Do it at Albany on the day proposed by them. c) Do it both at Albany on their proposed day and 2 days later at some other venue. There are pros and cons to every choice. I'm trying to not push the resources too much. i.e. if we were to do it twice at Albany we'd have a situation where we're asking the school for someone to be there and have a presence and unlock the school etc. Regards, Nevyn. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 24 09:58:36 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Aug 24 09:58:45 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <965552.93595.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Don't know if this has been posted yet, but Albany's FLOSS made the news: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/compute/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501832&objectid=10592238 Congratulations guys! Cheers - J --- On Sun, 23/8/09, Nevyn wrote: > From: Nevyn > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] SFD > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Date: Sunday, 23 August, 2009, 4:41 PM > On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:37 PM, > Abhishek Reddy > wrote: > > > > Btw, what's the status here regarding SFD > organisation? ?Is the next step > > the meeting on the 26th? > > I've had an email from Albany Senior High School who've > offered > themselves up as a venue (plus other resources such as > projector and > connection should we need it) but are also suggesting that > we do it a > couple of days earlier as it'll be easier to get their > students there. > > There are a couple of choices here. We could: > a) Insist on doing it at Albany on the actual day. > b) Do it at Albany on the day proposed by them. > c) Do it both at Albany on their proposed day and 2 days > later at some > other venue. > > There are pros and cons to every choice. I'm trying to not > push the > resources too much. i.e. if we were to do it twice at > Albany we'd have > a situation where we're asking the school for someone to be > there and > have a presence and unlock the school etc. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From vik at catalyst.net.nz Mon Aug 24 10:35:39 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Mon Aug 24 10:35:53 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD In-Reply-To: <99ab0c040908230454y640618sa35efd19a08a4d40@mail.gmail.com> References: <523827.80232.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A8FBB99.7090405@catalyst.net.nz> <6da08ade0908230437n589c42c1j7570291fb15794f@mail.gmail.com> <99ab0c040908230454y640618sa35efd19a08a4d40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A91C43B.10809@catalyst.net.nz> On 23/08/09 Antonio San Miguel wrote: > There are really no concrete plans as of yet, although I've ordered > some Ubuntu CDs and plan to distribute them if they arrive in time for > SFD. Member activity is at an all time low though because of the > rebuilding, but I am personally interested in joining up with AuckLUG > in organizing an SFD event. I'll probably have to wait for the other > members' replies though. Students seem like ideal beneficiaries of SFD materials. Bring 'em on! Vik :v) From vik at catalyst.net.nz Mon Aug 24 11:08:55 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Mon Aug 24 11:09:10 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD In-Reply-To: References: <523827.80232.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A8FBB99.7090405@catalyst.net.nz> <6da08ade0908230437n589c42c1j7570291fb15794f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A91CC07.8040005@catalyst.net.nz> On 24/08/09 Nevyn wrote: > There are a couple of choices here. We could: > a) Insist on doing it at Albany on the actual day. > b) Do it at Albany on the day proposed by them. > c) Do it both at Albany on their proposed day and 2 days later at some > other venue. > > There are pros and cons to every choice. I'm trying to not push the > resources too much. i.e. if we were to do it twice at Albany we'd have > a situation where we're asking the school for someone to be there and > have a presence and unlock the school etc. It'd be good to get Albany onboard. If we can get their students promoting SFD on their own later that'd be a good outcome. We don;t necessarily need to had the second day at Albany to achieve that, we merely need to get them sufficiently enthused and give out leaflets to take home :) Vik :v) From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 11:34:11 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Aug 24 11:34:21 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD In-Reply-To: <4A91CC07.8040005@catalyst.net.nz> References: <523827.80232.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A8FBB99.7090405@catalyst.net.nz> <6da08ade0908230437n589c42c1j7570291fb15794f@mail.gmail.com> <4A91CC07.8040005@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Vik Olliver wrote: > On 24/08/09 Nevyn wrote: >> >> ?There are a couple of choices here. We could: >> ?a) Insist on doing it at Albany on the actual day. >> ?b) Do it at Albany on the day proposed by them. >> ?c) Do it both at Albany on their proposed day and 2 days later at some >> ?other venue. >> >> ?There are pros and cons to every choice. I'm trying to not push the >> ?resources too much. i.e. if we were to do it twice at Albany we'd have >> ?a situation where we're asking the school for someone to be there and >> ?have a presence and unlock the school etc. > > It'd be good to get Albany onboard. If we can get their students promoting > SFD on their own later that'd be a good outcome. We don;t necessarily need > to had the second day at Albany to achieve that, we merely need to get them > sufficiently enthused and give out leaflets to take home :) > > Vik :v) Their efforts are already swayed this way. Mark often talks about "converts" where their I.T. guys help install Linux on people's machines. From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 11:35:55 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Aug 24 11:36:04 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD In-Reply-To: References: <523827.80232.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A8FBB99.7090405@catalyst.net.nz> <6da08ade0908230437n589c42c1j7570291fb15794f@mail.gmail.com> <4A91CC07.8040005@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Nevyn wrote: > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Vik Olliver wrote: >> On 24/08/09 Nevyn wrote: >>> >>> ?There are a couple of choices here. We could: >>> ?a) Insist on doing it at Albany on the actual day. >>> ?b) Do it at Albany on the day proposed by them. >>> ?c) Do it both at Albany on their proposed day and 2 days later at some >>> ?other venue. >>> >>> ?There are pros and cons to every choice. I'm trying to not push the >>> ?resources too much. i.e. if we were to do it twice at Albany we'd have >>> ?a situation where we're asking the school for someone to be there and >>> ?have a presence and unlock the school etc. >> >> It'd be good to get Albany onboard. If we can get their students promoting >> SFD on their own later that'd be a good outcome. We don;t necessarily need >> to had the second day at Albany to achieve that, we merely need to get them >> sufficiently enthused and give out leaflets to take home :) >> >> Vik :v) > > Their efforts are already swayed this way. Mark often talks about > "converts" where their I.T. guys help install Linux on people's > machines. Actually... sudden thought. We'd need to get Mark to do a presentation on what Open Source Software has brought to his school. Perhaps some demonstrations of their use of blender or whatever other tools they're using.... From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 16:47:50 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Aug 24 16:48:01 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Meeting Reminder Message-ID: Hi Guys, This is the meeting reminder for the meeting this week regarding Linux in Schools (very specifically deciding on a proper name for it) and Software Freedom Day meeting. To be held: Wednesday 26th August, 7pm At Dominion, 234 Dominion Road, Mt Eden http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=-36.87605&mlon=174.75112&zoom=16 Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 16:51:49 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Aug 24 16:51:58 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting Message-ID: Hi Guys, It's that time again (and I'm a little late in this posting). AuckLUG meetings should be continuing as they have been despite other meetings going on. This month OSS have offered us their facilities. So what we really need is a speaker. Does anyone have a subject they'd like to talk about? Or a subject that they'd like talked about? Perhaps even the follow up to the asterisk talk? Regards, Nevyn. From vik at catalyst.net.nz Tue Aug 25 09:58:51 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Tue Aug 25 09:59:10 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A930D1B.5010701@catalyst.net.nz> On 24/08/09 Nevyn wrote: > AuckLUG meetings should be continuing as they have been despite other > meetings going on. This month OSS have offered us their facilities. So > what we really need is a speaker. Does anyone have a subject they'd > like to talk about? Or a subject that they'd like talked about? > Perhaps even the follow up to the asterisk talk? I could bring a RepRap over? Vik :v) From thetoolman at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 10:01:09 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Tue Aug 25 10:01:18 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: <4A930D1B.5010701@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4A930D1B.5010701@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: If it fits with the meeting, yes please! I missed the other meeting demonstrating it .. - Toolman 2009/8/25 Vik Olliver > On 24/08/09 Nevyn wrote: > >> AuckLUG meetings should be continuing as they have been despite other >> meetings going on. This month OSS have offered us their facilities. So >> what we really need is a speaker. Does anyone have a subject they'd >> like to talk about? Or a subject that they'd like talked about? >> Perhaps even the follow up to the asterisk talk? >> > > I could bring a RepRap over? > > Vik :v) > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 10:04:26 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Aug 25 10:04:35 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <4A930D1B.5010701@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: It is oh so very cool (except that it broke the last time around). On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Tim Toolman wrote: > If it fits with the meeting, yes please! ?I missed the other meeting > demonstrating it .. > > - Toolman > > 2009/8/25 Vik Olliver > >> On 24/08/09 Nevyn wrote: >> >>> ?AuckLUG meetings should be continuing as they have been despite other >>> ?meetings going on. This month OSS have offered us their facilities. So >>> ?what we really need is a speaker. Does anyone have a subject they'd >>> ?like to talk about? Or a subject that they'd like talked about? >>> ?Perhaps even the follow up to the asterisk talk? >>> >> >> I could bring a RepRap over? >> >> Vik :v) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > > > -- > Tim Taylor > +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From thetoolman at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 10:05:26 2009 From: thetoolman at gmail.com (Tim Toolman) Date: Tue Aug 25 10:05:34 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <4A930D1B.5010701@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: No problem, just print out a new part.. wait... chicken and egg problem alert! 2009/8/25 Nevyn > It is oh so very cool (except that it broke the last time around). > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Tim Toolman wrote: > > If it fits with the meeting, yes please! I missed the other meeting > > demonstrating it .. > > > > - Toolman > > > > 2009/8/25 Vik Olliver > > > >> On 24/08/09 Nevyn wrote: > >> > >>> AuckLUG meetings should be continuing as they have been despite other > >>> meetings going on. This month OSS have offered us their facilities. So > >>> what we really need is a speaker. Does anyone have a subject they'd > >>> like to talk about? Or a subject that they'd like talked about? > >>> Perhaps even the follow up to the asterisk talk? > >>> > >> > >> I could bring a RepRap over? > >> > >> Vik :v) > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AuckLUG mailing list > >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Tim Taylor > > +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Tim Taylor +64 21 48 1275 - my old-new number! From vik at catalyst.net.nz Tue Aug 25 10:07:01 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Tue Aug 25 10:07:15 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <4A930D1B.5010701@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <4A930F05.20502@catalyst.net.nz> Tim Toolman wrote: > If it fits with the meeting, yes please! I missed the other meeting > demonstrating it .. > I've also got my "The last year in IT" presentation called Who Moved The Future? I did it a couple of months back for the NZCS. I can do it for you guys. Vik :v) From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 10:07:55 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Aug 25 10:08:03 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <4A930D1B.5010701@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Tim Toolman wrote: > No problem, just print out a new part.. wait... chicken and egg problem > alert! That's why you should always back up your system ;) From vik at catalyst.net.nz Tue Aug 25 10:08:26 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Tue Aug 25 10:08:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <4A930D1B.5010701@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <4A930F5A.8020105@catalyst.net.nz> On 25/08/09 Nevyn wrote: > It is oh so very cool (except that it broke the last time around). I fixed that break. I'm working on a V2 Mendel at the moment, Smaller and easier to build. Doesn't run yet though. Vik :v) From vik at catalyst.net.nz Tue Aug 25 10:09:21 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Tue Aug 25 10:09:31 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <4A930D1B.5010701@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <4A930F91.7070505@catalyst.net.nz> On 25/08/09 Tim Toolman wrote: > No problem, just print out a new part.. wait... chicken and egg > problem alert! Ah, there's an intermediate step: Bodge with duct tape & #8 wire. Vik :v) From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 10:11:05 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Aug 25 10:11:13 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: <4A930F05.20502@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4A930D1B.5010701@catalyst.net.nz> <4A930F05.20502@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Vik Olliver wrote: > > I've also got my "The last year in IT" presentation called Who Moved The > Future? I did it a couple of months back for the NZCS. I can do it for you > guys. > > Vik :v) How often are you comfortable doing this presentation? (SFD) From vik at catalyst.net.nz Tue Aug 25 10:15:23 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Tue Aug 25 10:15:34 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <4A930D1B.5010701@catalyst.net.nz> <4A930F05.20502@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <4A9310FB.6060009@catalyst.net.nz> On 25/08/09 Nevyn wrote: > How often are you comfortable doing this presentation? (SFD) As long as people don't start throwing fruit... Vik :v) From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 10:23:26 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Aug 25 10:23:36 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: <4A9310FB.6060009@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4A930D1B.5010701@catalyst.net.nz> <4A930F05.20502@catalyst.net.nz> <4A9310FB.6060009@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Vik Olliver wrote: > On 25/08/09 Nevyn wrote: >> >> ?How often are you comfortable doing this presentation? (SFD) > > As long as people don't start throwing fruit... > > Vik :v) I didn't know that was an option! Still... with the price of fruit these days.... From yorick_ at openoffice.org Tue Aug 25 15:05:36 2009 From: yorick_ at openoffice.org (Graham Lauder) Date: Tue Aug 25 15:13:02 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: <4A9310FB.6060009@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4A9310FB.6060009@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <200908251505.36313.yorick_@openoffice.org> On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:15:23 Vik Olliver wrote: > On 25/08/09 Nevyn wrote: > > How often are you comfortable doing this presentation? (SFD) > > As long as people don't start throwing fruit... > > Vik :v) > Is this _all_ fruit or are there specifics? Is there a points scoring system for fruit-type-age-decomp level (excuse the CSI buzzword there) I mean, surely a grape lobbed gently toward an open mouth has a different score to a mouldy maggoted mango fired from a grenade launcher. I mean, that's just me at first glance of course, curiosity has been accupunctured. GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 25 15:32:27 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Aug 25 15:32:36 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: <200908251505.36313.yorick_@openoffice.org> Message-ID: <324571.86017.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I'm pretty partial to well-fermented & strained apple or grape (or nearly any other sugary fruit...) As long as they come pint-sized, I'm happy :) - J --- On Tue, 25/8/09, Graham Lauder wrote: > From: Graham Lauder > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 6:05 AM > On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:15:23 Vik > Olliver wrote: > > On 25/08/09 Nevyn wrote: > > >? How often are you comfortable doing this > presentation? (SFD) > > > > As long as people don't start throwing fruit... > > > > Vik :v) > > > > > Is this _all_ fruit or are there specifics?? Is there > a points scoring system > for fruit-type-age-decomp level (excuse the CSI buzzword > there)? > > I mean, surely a grape lobbed gently toward an open mouth > has a different > score to a mouldy maggoted mango fired from a grenade > launcher. > > I mean, that's just me at first glance of course, curiosity > has been > accupunctured. > > GL > > -- > Graham Lauder, > OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ > http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html > > INGOTs Moderator New Zealand > www.theingots.org.nz > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From jis at quicksilver.net.nz Tue Aug 25 15:49:52 2009 From: jis at quicksilver.net.nz (jis@quicksilver.net.nz) Date: Tue Aug 25 15:50:01 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Remote access to Thunderbird data Message-ID: <4A940820.5921.1BE525C@jis.quicksilver.net.nz> I am using Windows XP on a laptop and I intend to use Linux Mint predominantly on a desktop computer. I store data on the laptop regardless of which computer I am using. When I am at home I prefer to work on the desktop computer. I am considering using Thunderbird because of the availability of a linux version. Is there a way in which I can store the Thunderbird data on the laptop regardless of which of the two computers I am using? Don Johnston From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 25 16:43:45 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Aug 25 16:43:57 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Remote access to Thunderbird data In-Reply-To: <4A940820.5921.1BE525C@jis.quicksilver.net.nz> Message-ID: <8920.15536.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I've used the same data store for my TB on win, mac & ubuntu (including Mint), but this is ill-advised, unless you know EXACTLY what you a re doing. (if you break one, you may break them all) My advice to you would be to rather make use of a central IMAP server (such as GMail or another platform of your choice that provided you open, standards-compliant protocols), and then have you multiple clients connect to that to get copies of messages. This method allows for the backup of a single source, and scales really well, since you can have as many clients as you wish without having to worry overly much about synchronization issues As a bonus, you can make use of IMAP IDLE to give you some semblance of what's commonly (incorrectly) referred to as "push mail"; this is even available on some mobile handsets, though this may take a toll on your battery standby time Hope this helps - J --- On Tue, 25/8/09, jis@quicksilver.net.nz wrote: > From: jis@quicksilver.net.nz > Subject: [AuckLUG] Remote access to Thunderbird data > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > Date: Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 6:49 AM > I am using Windows XP on a laptop and > I intend to use Linux Mint > predominantly on a desktop computer. I store data on the > laptop > regardless of which computer I am using. > > When I am at home I prefer to work on the desktop computer. > I am > considering using Thunderbird because of the availability > of a linux > version. Is there a way in which I can store the > Thunderbird data on > the laptop regardless of which of the two computers I am > using? > > Don Johnston > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 17:08:08 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Aug 25 17:08:19 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Remote access to Thunderbird data In-Reply-To: <8920.15536.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4A940820.5921.1BE525C@jis.quicksilver.net.nz> <8920.15536.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > I've used the same data store for my TB on win, mac & ubuntu (including Mint), but this is ill-advised, unless you know EXACTLY what you a re doing. (if you break one, you may break them all) > > My advice to you would be to rather make use of a central IMAP server (such as GMail or another platform of your choice that provided you open, standards-compliant protocols), and then have you multiple clients connect to that to get copies of messages. > > This method allows for the backup of a single source, and scales really well, since you can have as many clients as you wish without having to worry overly much about synchronization issues > > As a bonus, you can make use of IMAP IDLE to give you some semblance of what's commonly (incorrectly) referred to as "push mail"; this is even available on some mobile handsets, though this may take a toll on your battery standby time > > Hope this helps > > - J Always nice to have a confirmation.... I would suggest exactly what Jaco is suggesting. IMAP is usually the preferred method for doing this. You could even run the IMAP service on your laptop and have that plugged into your network and on whenever you want to access email from your desktop. Of course, it's probably more convenient to use a web based solution as this would mean you're only relying on an internet connection... From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 17:35:03 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Aug 25 17:35:12 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG meeting for September '09 Message-ID: Hi Guys, It looks like we've got a presenter, a venue and decent pubs near by (who could ask for more?) When: 7pm on the 7th of September Where: OSS, Level 1, 162 Grafton Road. (The Compass Building, corner of Grafton Rd and Khyber Pass, opposite the Southern Cross Healthcare building) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=-36.863399&mlon=174.764503&zoom=16 (look at the streets rather than the arrow...) What: Vik has kindly offered to do a presentation on the RepRap. Taken from the website: "RepRap is short for Replicating Rapid-prototyper. It is the practical self-copying 3D printer..." For more details visit: http://reprap.org/ Apparently an absence of fruit is a good thing. From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Aug 25 18:01:31 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Aug 25 18:01:42 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG meeting for September '09 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48529.119.15.0.26.1251180091.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Posted to the website too. www.linux.net.nz that is. On Tue, August 25, 2009 5:35 pm, Nevyn wrote: > Hi Guys, > > It looks like we've got a presenter, a venue and decent pubs near by > (who could ask for more?) > > When: > 7pm on the 7th of September > Where: > OSS, Level 1, 162 Grafton Road. (The Compass Building, corner of > Grafton Rd and Khyber Pass, opposite the Southern Cross Healthcare > building) > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=-36.863399&mlon=174.764503&zoom=16 > (look at the streets rather than the arrow...) > What: > Vik has kindly offered to do a presentation on the RepRap. > Taken from the website: > "RepRap is short for Replicating Rapid-prototyper. It is the > practical self-copying 3D printer..." > For more details visit: http://reprap.org/ > > Apparently an absence of fruit is a good thing. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz Tue Aug 25 18:06:04 2009 From: nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz (Glen Ogilvie) Date: Tue Aug 25 18:06:16 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: <4A930D1B.5010701@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4A930D1B.5010701@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <200908251806.05031.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> Hi Vik, On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Vik Olliver wrote: > On 24/08/09 Nevyn wrote: > > AuckLUG meetings should be continuing as they have been despite other > > meetings going on. This month OSS have offered us their facilities. So > > what we really need is a speaker. Does anyone have a subject they'd > > like to talk about? Or a subject that they'd like talked about? > > Perhaps even the follow up to the asterisk talk? > > I could bring a RepRap over? How long is your presentation going to be. I'd be happy to do a little presentation as well on beginner Arduino programming. Regards Glen Ogilvie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/aucklug/attachments/20090825/af3297ba/attachment-0001.pgp From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 18:08:52 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Aug 25 18:09:05 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: <200908251806.05031.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> References: <4A930D1B.5010701@catalyst.net.nz> <200908251806.05031.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Glen Ogilvie wrote: > Hi Vik, > > On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Vik Olliver wrote: >> >> I could bring a RepRap over? > > How long is your presentation going to be. ?I'd be happy to do a little > presentation as well on beginner Arduino programming. > > Regards > Glen Ogilvie *drool* Definitely into that..... From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 18:09:33 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Aug 25 18:09:40 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG meeting for September '09 In-Reply-To: <48529.119.15.0.26.1251180091.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> References: <48529.119.15.0.26.1251180091.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Message-ID: That was quick :) On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Mark Foster wrote: > Posted to the website too. www.linux.net.nz that is. > > On Tue, August 25, 2009 5:35 pm, Nevyn wrote: >> Hi Guys, >> >> It looks like we've got a presenter, a venue and decent pubs near by >> (who could ask for more?) >> >> When: >> ?7pm on the 7th of September >> Where: >> ? OSS, Level 1, 162 Grafton Road. (The Compass Building, corner of >> Grafton Rd and Khyber Pass, opposite the Southern Cross Healthcare >> building) >> ? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=-36.863399&mlon=174.764503&zoom=16 >> ? (look at the streets rather than the arrow...) >> What: >> ? Vik has kindly offered to do a presentation on the RepRap. >> ? Taken from the website: >> ? ? "RepRap is short for Replicating Rapid-prototyper. It is the >> practical self-copying 3D printer..." >> ? For more details visit: http://reprap.org/ >> >> Apparently an absence of fruit is a good thing. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 20:11:37 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Aug 25 20:11:48 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <4A930D1B.5010701@catalyst.net.nz> <200908251806.05031.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770908250111o70d152a3ndc2ba9ffae9056c9@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/25 Nevyn : >> How long is your presentation going to be. ?I'd be happy to do a little >> presentation as well on beginner Arduino programming. >> >> Regards >> Glen Ogilvie > > *drool* Definitely into that..... yeah, i'd be into that as well From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Aug 25 20:16:53 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Aug 25 20:17:08 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770908250111o70d152a3ndc2ba9ffae9056c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A930D1B.5010701@catalyst.net.nz> <200908251806.05031.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> <2f3aa2770908250111o70d152a3ndc2ba9ffae9056c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/8/25 Nevyn : >>> How long is your presentation going to be. ?I'd be happy to do a little >>> presentation as well on beginner Arduino programming. >>> >>> Regards >>> Glen Ogilvie >> >> *drool* Definitely into that..... > > yeah, i'd be into that as well > My humble suggestion would be to not try to fit too much into a single night. The meetings are monthly, so perhaps Nevyn can start a roster with volunteers plotted :) (From experience, speaker volunteers can run hot-and-cold... so it is often handy to have an idea of what's coming up a few months in advance.) Mark. From nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz Tue Aug 25 21:51:44 2009 From: nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz (Glen Ogilvie) Date: Tue Aug 25 21:52:05 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <2f3aa2770908250111o70d152a3ndc2ba9ffae9056c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908252151.52553.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Mark Foster wrote: > On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: > > 2009/8/25 Nevyn : > >>> How long is your presentation going to be. I'd be happy to do a little > >>> presentation as well on beginner Arduino programming. > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> Glen Ogilvie > >> > >> *drool* Definitely into that..... > > > > yeah, i'd be into that as well > > My humble suggestion would be to not try to fit too much into a single > night. Well, depends how long Vik wants to do the reprap presentation. My Arduino presentation I would keep to about 30 minutes, since it's not an interactive tutorial (I don't have enough arduino's for others to play with). Regards Glen Ogilvie > The meetings are monthly, so perhaps Nevyn can start a roster with > volunteers plotted :) I'll be able to fill a slot next month or the month after. I have four different topics I'd like to present, just not a heck of a lot of time to make up sides yet: Topics are: 1. Neo Freerunner linux phone (OpenMoko). 2. The design used at Albany Senior High School, as the is a bit of mis- information about that project around the community at the moment. 3. 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Url : http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/aucklug/attachments/20090825/c76f7f5e/attachment.pgp From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 23:20:10 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Aug 25 23:20:19 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: <200908252151.52553.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> References: <2f3aa2770908250111o70d152a3ndc2ba9ffae9056c9@mail.gmail.com> <200908252151.52553.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Glen Ogilvie wrote: > > I'll be able to fill a slot next month or the month after. ?I have four > different topics I'd like to present, just not a heck of a lot of time to make > up sides yet: > > Topics are: > 1. Neo Freerunner linux phone (OpenMoko). > 2. The design used at Albany Senior High School, as the is a bit of mis- > information about that project around the community at the moment. > 3. Authenticating firewalls > 4. Graphical PXE network booting. > > These are all big subjects that could fill a night each. > > Regards > Glen Ogilvie This would make life just a tad easier although on those months where we don't have a subject is also a good opportunity to get people around a table at a pub talking about what topics they'd like next. I did have a play with PXE booting a little while ago but couldn't get the damn thing to work. Was playing with the idea of an installfest server. Boot up via pxe, chose your distro then sit and wait... I'm guessing you're meaning more bootup via pxe into a full desktop environment. The Albany Senior High School thing would make for an interesting case study. Go through step by step the problems being solved and the decisions made etc. Regards, Nevyn. From nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz Wed Aug 26 07:17:06 2009 From: nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz (Glen Ogilvie) Date: Wed Aug 26 07:17:18 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <200908252151.52553.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> Message-ID: <200908260717.06752.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Nevyn wrote: > I did have a play with PXE booting a little while ago but couldn't get > the damn thing to work. Was playing with the idea of an installfest > server. Boot up via pxe, chose your distro then sit and wait... I'm > guessing you're meaning more bootup via pxe into a full desktop > environment. I would cover both booting an installer and a diskless distro via pxe. Glen From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Aug 26 09:09:25 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Aug 26 09:09:37 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Remote access to Thunderbird data In-Reply-To: <8920.15536.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <8920.15536.qm@web26103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A945305.6080701@catalyst.net.nz> On 25/08/09 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > My advice to you would be to rather make use of a central IMAP server > (such as GMail or another platform of your choice that provided you > open, standards-compliant protocols), and then have you multiple > clients connect to that to get copies of messages. > > This method allows for the backup of a single source, and scales > really well, since you can have as many clients as you wish without > having to worry overly much about synchronization issues The snag is that this does not share your address book, so you have to wade through your back e-mails to find the address of the person you want to send a message to. Vik :v) From vik at catalyst.net.nz Wed Aug 26 09:15:14 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Wed Aug 26 09:15:26 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: <200908251806.05031.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> References: <4A930D1B.5010701@catalyst.net.nz> <200908251806.05031.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> Message-ID: <4A945462.1020403@catalyst.net.nz> On 25/08/09 Glen Ogilvie wrote: > How long is your presentation going to be. I'd be happy to do a > little presentation as well on beginner Arduino programming. I was planning on about 30-40 minutes. The arduino stuff is topical - I might bring some gear along too :) Vik :v) From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 09:35:28 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 26 09:35:39 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: <200908260717.06752.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> References: <200908252151.52553.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> <200908260717.06752.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Glen Ogilvie wrote: > On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Nevyn wrote: >> I did have a play with PXE booting a little while ago but couldn't get >> the damn thing to work. Was playing with the idea of an installfest >> server. Boot up via pxe, chose your distro then sit and wait... I'm >> guessing you're meaning more bootup via pxe into a full desktop >> environment. > > I would cover both booting an installer and a diskless distro via pxe. > Glen Would you consider doing something for SFD? From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 11:38:50 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 26 11:39:00 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Meeting Reminder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Nevyn wrote: > Hi Guys, > > This is the meeting reminder for the meeting this week regarding Linux > in Schools (very specifically deciding on a proper name for it) and > Software Freedom Day meeting. > > To be held: > ?Wednesday 26th August, 7pm > ?At Dominion, 234 Dominion Road, Mt Eden > ?http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=-36.87605&mlon=174.75112&zoom=16 > > Regards, > Nevyn. Just a note for value hunters out there: The Dominion have a jug (Monteith's range and Export 33 only) and pizza deal for $25. The jug on it's own is normally $20. I'll be buying a pizza myself so feel free to help yourselves when you get there. From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 22:26:49 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 26 22:27:02 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Schools Project. Message-ID: Hi Guys, I didn't think it appropriate to decide a name given that there were probably only around 8 people around the table tonight. In which case, just to decide, I think a submission of possible names should be put here. Submissions to end by the end of Friday. We'll then do an open vote with a similar cut off date (probably by Tuesday next week). That'll give us the weekend to remove any submissions that are argued against on basis of inappropriateness. I mean inappropriateness in very broad terms. i.e. the use of the word Linux probably shouldn't be in the name as it's more about openness than the operating system. Submissions should be the abbreviation and the long version. So far the list is: OTIS - Open Technology In Schools POINTS - Promoters of Open INformation Technology in Schools Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 23:11:06 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 26 23:11:24 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Tonights meeting Message-ID: Hi Guys, A summary of tonight's meeting as I saw it. Probably not the best venue. Despite there being only a few of us, it was hard to hear and the table was a little too small. Perhaps outside might have been better given that it's generally quieter outside. I'm sure someone owes me a beer - brought 2 jugs (and 2 pizzas though I wasn't so concerned about them) and didn't get drunk (thus I'm able to send out a bunch of posts tonight). Anyway, for software freedom day, I think the consensus was, Go for broke. Do whatever we can do. I went to the meeting with a mind to advocate 2 events. The first being at Albany Senior High School doing pretty much what they're planning with us helping with their installfest (they're talking about a lan party, pizzas, installfest) and adding presentations to the mix. The second being a market day type of set up. Individual vendors can set up stalls with a common theme - I was thinking choice. So if we ran a bbq for example, the choice would have to be there for vegetarian sausages, standard beef sausages, chicken sausages etc. I've got to admit that Albany sort of has some personal interest for me. In terms of launching the whole schools project, Albany would be great in that we could see open source in action to some extent. Of course, the fact that they're already running Linux, and that they're looking to cater their SFD events around their students would mean that we would be preaching to the converted. If we could invite a bunch of people from the education sector, I think this has some value. Though in saying that, the schools project isn't AuckLUG... So, I was thinking that perhaps some of us could commit ourselves to helping them out, advertise them in our own efforts for SFD but essentially we'd be leaving them to do the event and we'd just be helping where needed without diverting attention from our own efforts. As for the "market day" idea, the first question that pops to mind is, where could we do it? My first thought goes towards the University of Auckland. In which case, we need contacts. Does anyone here have an in with the Univeristy of Auckland. Jaco's also going to talk to WharfIT. The other question that came to mind was about marketing. I think I was annoying some people with the question "how do we market that?" If we were to hold it at the University of Auckland, we're still essentially in the classroom\basement\bedroom (something I also found myself repeating). The people who are likely to turn up are those that have already heard about Free Software. So how do we engage those who don't even know they have choices? Should we be looking at doing a leaflet march through Queen St? There were some other really interesting ideas here. The idea that we could approach an appliance/department store with a computer section and get them to run a live distro on their demo machines. Time period would be an interesting one to try and negotiate. DSE would probably be a good choice except that it'd be even better to do it in a non-tech orientated store just because the audience would be all that much more interesting. Harvey Norman and the like. I was also thinking that given that promotion is probably the hardest bit about an installfest. In which case, we should do an installfest as part of SFD. The counter argument was given that it'd be far better to enable them to do an install themselves. Show them a live cd, show them how to adjust BIOS settings to enable them to load off a cd if need be, show them where to click if they want to jump right in and explain what this could mean for their existing data. There was also talk about engaging politicians. The likes of Rodney Hyde and Nandor Tanczos who are Linux friendly. Might also be interesting to engage Labour (Clare Curran if she's in Auckland at the time). Anyway, this post is already long enough and there's plenty to talk about here. Don't be shy. Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 23:46:33 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 26 23:46:47 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Confusion over the next meeting... Message-ID: Hi Guys, Jaco indicated that he had thought the AuckLUG meeting was this Monday and I heard a few people saying "see you on Monday" at tonight's meeting so thought I'd just post a quick clarification. I've stuck to first Monday of the month - in which case, this Monday is the 31st of August. So the meeting is the following Monday - the 7th of September. Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 27 00:57:39 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 27 00:57:52 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG meeting for September '09 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Nevyn wrote: > Hi Guys, > > It looks like we've got a presenter, a venue and decent pubs near by > (who could ask for more?) > > When: > ?7pm on the 7th of September > Where: > ?OSS, Level 1, 162 Grafton Road. (The Compass Building, corner of > Grafton Rd and Khyber Pass, opposite the Southern Cross Healthcare > building) > ?http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=-36.863399&mlon=174.764503&zoom=16 > ?(look at the streets rather than the arrow...) > What: > ?Vik has kindly offered to do a presentation on the RepRap. > ?Taken from the website: > ? ?"RepRap is short for Replicating Rapid-prototyper. It is the > practical self-copying 3D printer..." > ?For more details visit: http://reprap.org/ > > Apparently an absence of fruit is a good thing. There's an amendment to this meeting. Glen Ogilvie will also be doing a presentation on the Arduino. The subjects are very closely related as the RepRap uses the Arduino. The Arduino is an open source electronics prototyping platform. It's kind of like having a computer controller for simple electronics without having to find a way to stick a motherboard (power supply, hard drive etc.) to whatever you happen to be trying to control. For details visit: http://www.arduino.cc/ Regards, Nevyn. From greg at primesoft.co.nz Thu Aug 27 08:08:46 2009 From: greg at primesoft.co.nz (Greg Stevenson) Date: Thu Aug 27 08:09:47 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Schools Project. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001601ca2689$05199c60$0f4cd520$@co.nz> It perhaps shouldn't only promote the open source philosophy and how it relates to freedom within computer systems. A dozen years ago, after being made aware of the level of computer/research expertise of our children's teachers, I submitted the following to central Government leaders. It is no less relevant today. "Improving New Zealand's Education System The following are my thoughts on how NZ can improve their Education System and how NZ Government can put more substance to the policy shift to a "Knowledge Based Economy". My ideas are based almost entirely on what is proving to be the most successful business development model the Information Technology sector has ever experienced. Its catch phrase often called "Open Source". It is the principal behind how a Computer Operating System called "Linux" has become capable of going head to head with a Microsoft's Windows operating system. It is very much a "David & Goliath" story. The principle is that individuals give away the best of their efforts with the common end of improving a system. I believe this principle can be used to dramatically improve many systems, but that the Education system lends itself well to the idea. The key reasons for this are that (most) Teachers regard their job as a Vocation and that the premise behind "Education" is, the transfer of knowledge. As a lead to how to improve the transfer of knowledge I present these assumptions 1. "Teachers" are NZ's Education Systems biggest resource. 2. Computers are an effective Education Tool. 3. An individual Teacher cannot be an expert at everything. 4. Virtually every NZ School has Internet access to some degree. A practical system of implementing the principle of "Open Source" would be. 1. Create a resource using Current Computer and Internet Technology. This would consist of developing a (or improving an existing eg. http://www.cwa.co.nz/eduweb/index.html) single Internet based Web Site containing a database. It should be structured to be a representation of the current school Curriculum from pre-school to end of secondary school. eg. Geography topics divided by year 0 (preschool) to year 12 (7th Form). The site would have read access by anyone and a structured write access by registered teachers. 2. Make it compulsory for every registered Teacher to take an approved one day training course on the principle of "Open Source" and the practical aspect of writing and retrieving information from the database. 3. Make it compulsory to publish to this database, at least one Lesson Plan per teacher. The copyright to this lesson plan would be in line with the GNU copyright, which is that anyone can use the lesson plan as long as acknowledgment to the original Author remains intact. 4. Teachers could apply to take a one year paid sabbatical whereby they read submissions, assess, and create abstracts where necessary and file all submissions appropriately in the database. Only one sabbatical per teacher. 5. An Administration team of say three individuals would be paid as full time employees to administer the team of Teachers assessing the submissions and to keep the database up at all times. 6. Actively advertise the resource. This would include the standard means of Internet advertising. Links from other Web Sites, newsgroups, chat channels, Banner exchanges, e-mail etc. Printed ads in education gazettes etc. And an initial TV advertising campaign. 7. Develop and encourage an anonymous rating system by all registered teachers for lessons plans used in the classroom. This would be divided into sections such as Effectiveness, Ease of use, Availability of associated resources etc, and of course, an overall rating. 8. Revisions to Lesson Plans would be submitted by any teacher and could either be approved by original Author(s) or published as an entirely new Lesson Plan by the revising Author. 9. Develop an enhancement to the system whereby the submissions to change the base curriculum are also accepted filed, peer reviewed, and rated. The above practical implementation provide the benefits of:- 1. A central resource for lesson plans and related resources. A teacher may never have to write a lesson plan again. A teacher may never have to write a set up questions or exam again. A teacher could up skill in knowledge and techniques quickly and privately based on the best submissions their peers have to offer. 2. The government of the day will have a quick feedback of areas of concern in the current curriculum. This will enable them to implement change in a timely fashion. 3. By searching on ratings of Authors published Lesson Plans, School Administrators will have one more information source, to base the abilities of their workforce, or potential workforce. This would be over and above CVs, written and verbal references and recorded academic achievements. Conversely a Teacher can get recognised for their specialist abilities by their peers rather than their employment superiors. What would be needed to achieve such a System? A commitment by the Government to the allocation of funds, say a couple of million dollars, most of which would be spent on Teacher Training and Advertising. This would be a one off and could possibly be in the form of a NERF project with a portion being a long term loan to be paid off from advertising revenues that the site would eventually command. The paid sabbaticals would be an ongoing cost to the Government and the cost would be totally dependent on numbers required. Those who took up such a post would invariably come out more highly educated. Finally, although this could be eventually run totally commercially, my preference would be for such a system to be owned by a SOE. This would is far more in keeping with the "OPEN SOURCE" principle. Keep this asset owned by New Zealand. Greg Stevenson Primesoft NZ Ltd" I think the links are now broken and the idea has to limited degrees been implemented elsewhere. Open Source projects are now in place which could be built on to bring the coding side of the costs down. There are some very controversial aspects to the proposal above which is perhaps why it never got picked up on. 1. The compulsory nature of it (ironic - given open source philosophy) Every registered Teacher Year 0 - 13 required to submit 1 piece of work to retain registration. This is only equivalent to the training courses they are required to go on at present but wouldn't be seen as such. 2. Peer rating system and it's possible use by Principals to assess teachers for new positions. Anyway have a think about it if you want to expand the scope of your OTIS or POINTS Project -----Original Message----- From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] On Behalf Of Nevyn Sent: Wednesday, 26 August 2009 10:27 p.m. To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list Subject: [AuckLUG] Schools Project. Hi Guys, I didn't think it appropriate to decide a name given that there were probably only around 8 people around the table tonight. In which case, just to decide, I think a submission of possible names should be put here. Submissions to end by the end of Friday. We'll then do an open vote with a similar cut off date (probably by Tuesday next week). That'll give us the weekend to remove any submissions that are argued against on basis of inappropriateness. I mean inappropriateness in very broad terms. i.e. the use of the word Linux probably shouldn't be in the name as it's more about openness than the operating system. Submissions should be the abbreviation and the long version. So far the list is: OTIS - Open Technology In Schools POINTS - Promoters of Open INformation Technology in Schools Regards, Nevyn. _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 27 09:32:33 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 27 09:32:43 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Schools Project. In-Reply-To: <001601ca2689$05199c60$0f4cd520$@co.nz> References: <001601ca2689$05199c60$0f4cd520$@co.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Greg Stevenson wrote: > It perhaps shouldn't only promote the open source philosophy and how it > relates to freedom within computer systems. > > A dozen years ago, after being made aware of the level of computer/research > expertise of our children's teachers, I submitted the following to central > Government leaders. It is no less relevant today. > > "Improving New Zealand's Education System Hi Greg, Interesting post but it only serves to derail the original purpose of the post. Perhaps it would've been more appropriate to start a new thread. Did you have a name suggestion? Regards, Nevyn. From greg at primesoft.co.nz Thu Aug 27 09:53:31 2009 From: greg at primesoft.co.nz (Greg Stevenson) Date: Thu Aug 27 09:54:19 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Schools Project. In-Reply-To: References: <001601ca2689$05199c60$0f4cd520$@co.nz> Message-ID: <002801ca2697$a6ebaa20$f4c2fe60$@co.nz> Yes I understand. I kinda like OTIS -----Original Message----- From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] On Behalf Of Nevyn Sent: Thursday, 27 August 2009 9:33 a.m. To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Schools Project. On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Greg Stevenson wrote: > It perhaps shouldn't only promote the open source philosophy and how it > relates to freedom within computer systems. > > A dozen years ago, after being made aware of the level of computer/research > expertise of our children's teachers, I submitted the following to central > Government leaders. It is no less relevant today. > > "Improving New Zealand's Education System Hi Greg, Interesting post but it only serves to derail the original purpose of the post. Perhaps it would've been more appropriate to start a new thread. Did you have a name suggestion? Regards, Nevyn. _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From blakjak at blakjak.net Thu Aug 27 10:31:38 2009 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Thu Aug 27 10:31:49 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Schools Project. In-Reply-To: <002801ca2697$a6ebaa20$f4c2fe60$@co.nz> References: <001601ca2689$05199c60$0f4cd520$@co.nz> <002801ca2697$a6ebaa20$f4c2fe60$@co.nz> Message-ID: <61374.119.15.0.26.1251325898.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Wasnt the original acronym OITS? Open Information Technology in Schools right? I'm biased about POINTS but that's just coz I thought of it... On Thu, August 27, 2009 9:53 am, Greg Stevenson wrote: > Yes I understand. > > I kinda like OTIS > > -----Original Message----- > From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] > On > Behalf Of Nevyn > Sent: Thursday, 27 August 2009 9:33 a.m. > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Schools Project. > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Greg Stevenson > wrote: >> It perhaps shouldn't only promote the open source philosophy and how it >> relates to freedom within computer systems. >> >> A dozen years ago, after being made aware of the level of > computer/research >> expertise of our children's teachers, I submitted the following to >> central >> Government leaders. It is no less relevant today. >> >> "Improving New Zealand's Education System > > > > Hi Greg, > > Interesting post but it only serves to derail the original purpose of > the post. Perhaps it would've been more appropriate to start a new > thread. > > Did you have a name suggestion? > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 27 10:36:13 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 27 10:36:25 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Schools Project. In-Reply-To: <61374.119.15.0.26.1251325898.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> References: <001601ca2689$05199c60$0f4cd520$@co.nz> <002801ca2697$a6ebaa20$f4c2fe60$@co.nz> <61374.119.15.0.26.1251325898.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Mark Foster wrote: > Wasnt the original acronym OITS? > > Open Information Technology in Schools right? > > I'm biased about POINTS but that's just coz I thought of it... Yeah it was but I just really don't like the idea of sounding like I'm spitting every time I talk about it ;) From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Fri Aug 28 15:21:26 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Fri Aug 28 15:21:33 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] More OSM hacks In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770908180034q6f7215bas262d2102be19ff64@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <118536.97169.qm@web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/08/gps-hackers/ From nevynh at gmail.com Sat Aug 29 21:51:41 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sat Aug 29 21:51:50 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Schools Project. In-Reply-To: References: <001601ca2689$05199c60$0f4cd520$@co.nz> <002801ca2697$a6ebaa20$f4c2fe60$@co.nz> <61374.119.15.0.26.1251325898.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Nevyn wrote: > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Mark Foster wrote: >> Wasnt the original acronym OITS? >> >> Open Information Technology in Schools right? >> >> I'm biased about POINTS but that's just coz I thought of it... > > Yeah it was but I just really don't like the idea of sounding like I'm > spitting every time I talk about it ;) Right... I'll take that as all submissions being in. So now for the vote. Here are the choices: * OITS (Open Information Technology in Schools) * OTIS (Open Technology In Schools) * POINTS (Promoters of Open INformation Technology in Schools) All options have their .org.nz names avaliable. Voting closes by end of Tuesday. My vote goes to POINTS (just because I like the fact that it's a real word and isn't the name of an elevator company). From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Sun Aug 30 20:02:27 2009 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (admin@ncearevision.co.nz) Date: Sun Aug 30 20:02:58 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Can't access network or Internet from Linux Mint Message-ID: <4A9ADAD3.17005.D35B3D@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> I have two virtual machines (Linux Mint and Windows XP) on a Windows XP host. I am using VMware Server 1. I can't access the network or the Internet using Linux Mint. I think it was working fine until a few days ago because I installed Evolution a few days ago. The Windows virtual machine is accessing my Windows network and the Internet without any problems. I tried, unsuccessfully, to ping the modem, router and host. Don Johnston From vik at catalyst.net.nz Mon Aug 31 09:17:55 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Mon Aug 31 09:18:07 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Schools Project. In-Reply-To: References: <001601ca2689$05199c60$0f4cd520$@co.nz> <002801ca2697$a6ebaa20$f4c2fe60$@co.nz> <61374.119.15.0.26.1251325898.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Message-ID: <4A9AEC83.4080503@catalyst.net.nz> On 29/08/09 Nevyn wrote: > Voting closes by end of Tuesday. > > My vote goes to POINTS (just because I like the fact that it's a real > word and isn't the name of an elevator company). I go for POINTS too. Vik :v) From admin at ncearevision.co.nz Mon Aug 31 09:56:05 2009 From: admin at ncearevision.co.nz (admin@ncearevision.co.nz) Date: Mon Aug 31 09:57:20 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Can't access network or Internet from Linux Mint Message-ID: <4A9B9E35.28650.1C8545@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> > I have two virtual machines (Linux Mint and Windows XP) on a Windows > XP host. I am using VMware Server 1. > > I can't access the network or the Internet using Linux Mint. I think > it was working fine until a few days ago because I installed > Evolution a few days ago. The Windows virtual machine is accessing my > Windows network and the Internet without any problems. > > I tried, unsuccessfully, to ping the modem, router and host. I have just noticed that the same problem is now occuring with the Windows virtual machine as well whereas it was working fine on Saturday. Consequently, the problem doesn't seem to be anything to do with the linux virtual machine. The host is not having any problems that I am aware of. I think I will take copies of the virtual machines, recover the host from a backup created using RAID, reinstall VMware and reinstall the virtual machines from the copies. Don Johnston From um.167 at xtra.co.nz Mon Aug 31 10:49:41 2009 From: um.167 at xtra.co.nz (Alaric) Date: Mon Aug 31 10:50:08 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mandriva 2009 Spring Message-ID: <4A9B0205.40501@xtra.co.nz> Morning. I am having a problem with 2009 Spring. I run a Pentium 4 dual core on an elite motherboard with 2 gig of memory and two hard disks with ample free space. The last paid version of Mandriva I have is 2008 Spring which runs OK. Last year the update service offered 2009 as an update and this downloaded and installed without problems though it re-introduced a problem from earlier versions that Kded crashed regularly. It didn't seem to matter. Earlier this year they offered 2009 Spring as an update. This failed halfway through the download with a message that a file was missing. The wizard offered to continue regardless but actually it didn't, it began again from the beginning. The installation failed and my system was stuffed. I tried to reload 2009.0 from a disk supplied through the Linux magazine but the installation crashed with a fatal error 'Cannot load the kernel into memory'. I re-installed 2008. In all the kerfuffle over 2009 Spring I ended up with an iso image of the gnome version of the programme. A few days ago I tried this to see if it would work. I loaded it live from the CD to make sure the kernel would load. It did and the programme looked OK so I opted for 'Install' from the icon on the desktop. It installed and came up running. Next day when I fired up I got a message 'Critical error.. View the bootlog.' Once I acknowledged the message the programme loaded and appeared to run normally. The bootlog showed that npviewer had caused a segmentation fault and if I read the log correctly this was because it had tried to write to read only memory. The internet shows that npviewer causes problems with Ubuntu and Firefox but apparently does not crash the system. There was one lone item from a Mandriva user who had had problems. The suggestion was made by one of the contributors that removing nswrapper seemed to solve the problem and I have done that. The next time I booted the boot failed completely with the same error message followed by a blank screen. I can boot in safe mode but the resulting screen will not accept any of the commands my admittedly old Linux manual says should bring up the xserver. The boot menu offers two other alternatives, 2-6.29.1 4mnb and 2-6.29.6 2mnb. I can boot using the first of these but 29.6 crashes in the same way as vm-linuz. The bootlog does not show anything which appears relevant to my untrained eye. It does say that Bios may corrupt low memory and that it is working round that. It also shows a failure to reserve some memory. Is this a Mandriva problem or do I have a hardware problem? I note that 'free' returns the full 2 gig of memory but shows 664 mb used which to my admittedly ignorant view appears rather high with only Dolphin and OpenOffice running. The bootlog shows 2 gb of memory found. I have Linux Magazine versions of Ubuntu, Suse, Fedora, Debian and Knoppix (up to date in each case). While I have some idea of Debian I am reluctant at my age to start learning from the ground up. Alaric Wood From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Aug 31 12:06:23 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Aug 31 12:06:33 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Can't access network or Internet from Linux Mint In-Reply-To: <4A9B9E35.28650.1C8545@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> References: <4A9B9E35.28650.1C8545@admin.ncearevision.co.nz> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 9:56 AM, wrote: >> I have two virtual machines (Linux Mint and Windows XP) on a Windows >> XP host. I am using VMware Server 1. >> >> I can't access the network or the Internet using Linux Mint. I think >> it was working fine until a few days ago because I installed >> Evolution a few days ago. The Windows virtual machine is accessing my >> Windows network and the Internet without any problems. >> >> I tried, unsuccessfully, to ping the modem, router and host. > > I have just noticed that the same problem is now occuring with the > Windows virtual machine as well whereas it was working fine on > Saturday. Consequently, the problem doesn't seem to be anything to do > with the linux virtual machine. The host is not having any problems > that I am aware of. > > I think I will take copies of the virtual machines, recover the host > from a backup created using RAID, reinstall VMware and reinstall the > virtual machines from the copies. > > Don Johnston Sounds like something's gone wrong with the way Windows is handling the virtual network devices. From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Aug 31 12:22:34 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Aug 31 12:22:43 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mandriva 2009 Spring In-Reply-To: <4A9B0205.40501@xtra.co.nz> References: <4A9B0205.40501@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Alaric wrote: > Morning. ?I am having a problem with 2009 Spring. ?I run a Pentium 4 dual > core on an elite motherboard with 2 gig of memory and two hard disks with > ample free space. ?The last paid version of Mandriva I have is 2008 Spring > which runs OK. ?Last year the update service offered 2009 as an update and > this downloaded and installed without problems though it re-introduced a > problem from earlier versions that Kded crashed regularly. ?It didn't seem > to matter. ?Earlier this year they offered 2009 Spring as an update. ?This > failed halfway through the download with a message that a file was missing. > ?The wizard offered to continue regardless but actually it didn't, it began > again from the beginning. The installation failed and my system was stuffed. > ?I tried to reload 2009.0 from a disk supplied through the Linux magazine > but the installation crashed with a fatal error 'Cannot load the kernel into > memory'. ?I re-installed 2008. ?In all the kerfuffle over 2009 Spring I > ended up with an iso image of the gnome version of the programme. ?A few > days ago I tried this to see if it would work. ?I loaded it live from the CD > to make sure the kernel would load. ?It did and the programme looked OK so I > opted for 'Install' from the icon on the desktop. ?It installed and came up > running. ?Next day when I fired up I got a message 'Critical error.. View > the bootlog.' ?Once I acknowledged the message the programme loaded and > appeared to run normally. ?The bootlog showed that npviewer had caused a > segmentation fault and if I read the log correctly this was because it had > tried to write to read only memory. The internet shows that npviewer causes > problems with Ubuntu and Firefox but apparently does not crash the system. > ?There was one lone item from a Mandriva user who had had problems. ?The > suggestion was made by one of the contributors that removing nswrapper > seemed to solve the problem and I have done that. > The next time I booted the boot failed completely with the same error > message followed by a blank screen. ?I can boot in safe mode but the > resulting screen will not accept any of the commands my admittedly old Linux > manual says should bring up the xserver. > The boot menu offers two other alternatives, 2-6.29.1 4mnb and 2-6.29.6 > 2mnb. ?I can boot using the first of these but 29.6 crashes in the same way > as vm-linuz. > The bootlog does not show anything which appears relevant to my untrained > eye. ?It does say that Bios may corrupt low memory and that it is working > round that. ?It also shows a failure to reserve some memory. ?Is this a > Mandriva problem or do I have a hardware problem? > I note that 'free' returns the full 2 gig of memory but shows 664 mb used > which to my admittedly ignorant view appears rather high with only Dolphin > and OpenOffice running. ?The bootlog shows 2 gb of memory found. > I have Linux Magazine versions of Ubuntu, Suse, Fedora, Debian and Knoppix > (up to date in each case). ?While I have some idea of Debian I am reluctant > at my age to start learning from the ground up. > > Alaric Wood Geez... Did you stop for breath during that entire rant? No white space whatsoever. (My eyes are twitching from that). Okay, lets start from the beginning (or as close to it as I can get without moaning about failed upgrades and the like). Given that you can get into safe mode probably means that your base system is fine. You can't get into X from "safe mode" (more commonly called single user mode) because it doesn't create any such terminals to be able to go into X. So that's working as expected. Besides which, the approach should be to fix the problem, not find new and interesting (read: Just plain awful) ways of bypassing it. npviewer looks like it's just part of flash, so the logical thing to do would be to remove that. I think Mandriva is Redhat based so the command to issue would be: yum remove adobe-flash or something like that... Also, reinstall ndiswrapper. It's just helped create an all new and interesting problem which doesn't at all look related to your initial problem. Regards, Nevyn. From jrt746 at clear.net.nz Mon Aug 31 13:21:18 2009 From: jrt746 at clear.net.nz (John Rye) Date: Mon Aug 31 13:22:03 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mandriva 2009 Spring In-Reply-To: References: <4A9B0205.40501@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <20090831132118.372158d5.jrt746@clear.net.nz> On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:22:34 +1200 Nevyn wrote: [snip][large] > > only Dolphin and OpenOffice running. ?The bootlog shows 2 gb of memory > > found. I have Linux Magazine versions of Ubuntu, Suse, Fedora, Debian > > and Knoppix (up to date in each case). ?While I have some idea of > > Debian I am reluctant at my age to start learning from the ground up. > > > > Alaric Wood > > Geez... Did you stop for breath during that entire rant? No white > space whatsoever. (My eyes are twitching from that). > > Okay, lets start from the beginning (or as close to it as I can get > without moaning about failed upgrades and the like). Given that you > can get into safe mode probably means that your base system is fine. > You can't get into X from "safe mode" (more commonly called single > user mode) because it doesn't create any such terminals to be able to > go into X. So that's working as expected. Besides which, the approach > should be to fix the problem, not find new and interesting (read: Just > plain awful) ways of bypassing it. > > npviewer looks like it's just part of flash, so the logical thing to > do would be to remove that. I think Mandriva is Redhat based so the > command to issue would be: > yum remove adobe-flash > or something like that... No! Not yet! Reboot. >From the grub menu select failsafe At the prompt enter 'init 3' and hit return If a splash screen is displayed hit the ESCAPE key to clear it Watch the fast flowing text and try to note any lines where '[failed]' is displayed. You should see the screen clear and be presented with another login prompt Login as your normal user and type 'startx' and tell us what happens. If X fails to start you will see a bunch of text displayed. Look for any lines with [EE], note them and come back. John From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 31 14:53:12 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Aug 31 14:53:20 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Booting from Flash Drive Message-ID: <271241.10337.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Been messing around a bit with various live booting options; most notably creating liveCD's & liveUSB's with UNetBootIn & usb-creator, or even just dd, on many media, including iPod's & "auto-replicating" USB HDD's Linux is easy as pie Fun & games! Now, I have need of doing something similar with *gasp* windows. I have a legal copy (well, 2 if you include a copy on a busted old system too) of windows with the key & the "official" sticker & everything. Unfortunately the only windows machine I still have functioning is in a VM. All others are either Linux, Mac, or some BSD-derivative I want to load XP (home or pro) onto a 4G SD card (Jolicloud's running from the onboard), so that I can use it with my eeePC, when I need to access devices with windows-only drivers (like my Behringer BCD 3000), or some other testing (like VoiP handsets, mobile device management, etc). The bonus of this approach means that I can dd a copy of the functioning system, try something risky & then simply nuke the disk if worse comes to worse (ghetto-style ghosting). This is NOT for piracy purposes, but for legitimate persoanl use (would effectively mean my eeePC would be my only *real* windows machine, which suits me just fine). So, does anyone know how to create a "liveUSB" windows system on a GNU/Linux box? I know this is not quite the space, but I have to ask -J From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Aug 31 15:03:10 2009 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Aug 31 15:03:19 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Booting from Flash Drive In-Reply-To: <271241.10337.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <271241.10337.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Been messing around a bit with various live booting options; most notably creating liveCD's & liveUSB's with UNetBootIn & usb-creator, or even just dd, on many media, including iPod's & "auto-replicating" USB HDD's > > Linux is easy as pie > Fun & games! > > Now, I have need of doing something similar with *gasp* windows. I have a legal copy (well, 2 if you include a copy on a busted old system too) of windows with the key & the "official" sticker & everything. > Unfortunately the only windows machine I still have functioning is in a VM. All others are either Linux, Mac, or some BSD-derivative > > I want to load XP (home or pro) onto a 4G SD card (Jolicloud's running from the onboard), so that I can use it with my eeePC, when I need to access devices with windows-only drivers (like my Behringer BCD 3000), or some other testing (like VoiP handsets, mobile device management, etc). > The bonus of this approach means that I can dd a copy of the functioning system, try something risky & then simply nuke the disk if worse comes to worse (ghetto-style ghosting). > > This is NOT for piracy purposes, but for legitimate persoanl use (would effectively mean my eeePC would be my only *real* windows machine, which suits me just fine). > > So, does anyone know how to create a "liveUSB" windows system on a GNU/Linux box? > I know this is not quite the space, but I have to ask > > -J Can you use the Windows VM to create the image? That way you could use BartPE to do it. I'm not sure of the legalities behind using BartPE (that's a Windows discussion) but it does become possible.. There's a document describing the process here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/13257/Boot-Windows-XP-From-a-USB-Flash-Drive Regards, Nevyn. From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 31 15:27:54 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Aug 31 15:28:03 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Booting from Flash Drive In-Reply-To: References: <271241.10337.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <795682.39656.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Close. BartPE (or some derivative thereof) is what I'm currently investigating, but unfortunately it requires something I presently lack: An operational windows system with a CDROM. Sure I can dd the CD from another machine into an ISO & mount that accordingly onto my VM client (sounds easy...though this comes pretty close to breaching EULA's). If I'm going to do that, I need to "write" the contents of the target USB's media/partition to an ISO or some other media on the slave VM, in order to pull it out to the host & then dd it onto the SD/USB media. Seems a ball-ache, but I'll give that a try. Don't see why it can't be a simple as a Linux machine. Even the OS/X installer allows you to install to an external media, like USB HDD, though they prefer firewire - J From vik at catalyst.net.nz Mon Aug 31 15:42:55 2009 From: vik at catalyst.net.nz (Vik Olliver) Date: Mon Aug 31 15:43:08 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Booting from Flash Drive In-Reply-To: <271241.10337.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <271241.10337.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A9B46BF.4050806@catalyst.net.nz> On 31/08/09 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Been messing around a bit with various live booting options; most > notably creating liveCD's & liveUSB's with UNetBootIn & usb-creator, > or even just dd, on many media, including iPod's & "auto-replicating" > USB HDD's Found a live system that ends up with a live user's home partition on the USB device? Vik :v) From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 31 16:08:08 2009 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Aug 31 16:08:39 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Booting from Flash Drive In-Reply-To: <4A9B46BF.4050806@catalyst.net.nz> References: <271241.10337.qm@web26107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4A9B46BF.4050806@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <248386.69950.qm@web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Well, Alan & I have been working on what we refer to as a "self-replicating OS" (not unlike a virus) 2 primary options involving UNetBootIn: (32-bit OS's recommended) 1.In it's simplest form, take a USB media, like in my case my iPod formatted on a win system, set the partition bootable with fdisk or parted, and use unetbootin to create a bootable disk. Afterwards, copy the ISO onto the disk for redistribution. 2.Start with a fresh disk, and create 2 partitions: primary FAT16 with bootable flag set, either 1G or 4G (estimated DVD size) Create another partition with the rest of the disk, and set it either to FAT32 or NTFS. It's VERY important to have both partitions UNIVERSALLY accessible, since you may have to read or write ISO from non-Linux systems (unless anyone know of any FS's accessible on linux, mac & windows?) On partition#2, create a location to store your collection of ISO's, and also store a copy of the UNetBootIn installer & dependencies. I use the latter to sync my home & work stores, including copies of an apt-cacher-ng cache & any ebooks or cheatsheets I may want (though this is not automated yet) -J From nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz Mon Aug 31 16:15:09 2009 From: nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz (Glen Ogilvie) Date: Mon Aug 31 16:15:22 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mandriva 2009 Spring In-Reply-To: <4A9B0205.40501@xtra.co.nz> References: <4A9B0205.40501@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <262c93f22e97d05203031360c0bda1a6@localhost> Hi, This is unlikely to be a Mandriva specific problem, but it may be that the newer kernels are incompatible with your system in some way. A few things to try. Test the ram, using mentest86. This comes on the Mandriva installer DVD, so should be easy enough for you to try and will identify if you have a fault in your ram. Next, did you do upgrades, or a clean install of the system your currently running? Between Mandriva 2008.1 and 2009.1, they switched to KDE 4.2 from KDE 3.5 This can cause some problems with configuration files in your home folder, resulting in stage stuff happening. The best way to deal with that is a careful migration of just your data, rather than all the . directories in your home folder. Be sure to install the updates to 2009.1, as they have updated a lot since it came out. Regards Glen Ogilvie On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:49:41 +1200, Alaric wrote: > Morning. I am having a problem with 2009 Spring. I run a Pentium 4 > dual core on an elite motherboard with 2 gig of memory and two hard > disks with ample free space. The last paid version of Mandriva I have > is 2008 Spring which runs OK. Last year the update service offered 2009 > as an update and this downloaded and installed without problems though > it re-introduced a problem from earlier versions that Kded crashed > regularly. It didn't seem to matter. Earlier this year they offered > 2009 Spring as an update. This failed halfway through the download with > a message that a file was missing. The wizard offered to continue > regardless but actually it didn't, it began again from the beginning. > The installation failed and my system was stuffed. I tried to reload > 2009.0 from a disk supplied through the Linux magazine but the > installation crashed with a fatal error 'Cannot load the kernel into > memory'. I re-installed 2008. In all the kerfuffle over 2009 Spring I > ended up with an iso image of the gnome version of the programme. A few > days ago I tried this to see if it would work. I loaded it live from > the CD to make sure the kernel would load. It did and the programme > looked OK so I opted for 'Install' from the icon on the desktop. It > installed and came up running. Next day when I fired up I got a message > 'Critical error.. View the bootlog.' Once I acknowledged the message > the programme loaded and appeared to run normally. The bootlog showed > that npviewer had caused a segmentation fault and if I read the log > correctly this was because it had tried to write to read only memory. > The internet shows that npviewer causes problems with Ubuntu and Firefox > but apparently does not crash the system. There was one lone item from > a Mandriva user who had had problems. The suggestion was made by one of > the contributors that removing nswrapper seemed to solve the problem and > I have done that. > The next time I booted the boot failed completely with the same error > message followed by a blank screen. I can boot in safe mode but the > resulting screen will not accept any of the commands my admittedly old > Linux manual says should bring up the xserver. > The boot menu offers two other alternatives, 2-6.29.1 4mnb and 2-6.29.6 > 2mnb. I can boot using the first of these but 29.6 crashes in the same > way as vm-linuz. > The bootlog does not show anything which appears relevant to my > untrained eye. It does say that Bios may corrupt low memory and that it > is working round that. It also shows a failure to reserve some memory. > Is this a Mandriva problem or do I have a hardware problem? > I note that 'free' returns the full 2 gig of memory but shows 664 mb > used which to my admittedly ignorant view appears rather high with only > Dolphin and OpenOffice running. The bootlog shows 2 gb of memory found. > I have Linux Magazine versions of Ubuntu, Suse, Fedora, Debian and > Knoppix (up to date in each case). While I have some idea of Debian I > am reluctant at my age to start learning from the ground up. > > Alaric Wood > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz Mon Aug 31 16:18:48 2009 From: nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz (Glen Ogilvie) Date: Mon Aug 31 16:18:58 2009 Subject: [AuckLUG] Mandriva 2009 Spring In-Reply-To: <4A9B0205.40501@xtra.co.nz> References: <4A9B0205.40501@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <54369029cd90162c8ff7c3180b5bfa8d@localhost> On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:49:41 +1200, Alaric wrote: > Morning. I am having a problem with 2009 Spring. I run a Pentium 4 > dual core on an elite motherboard with 2 gig of memory and two hard > disks with ample free space. The last paid version of Mandriva I have > is 2008 Spring which runs OK. Last year the update service offered 2009 > as an update and this downloaded and installed without problems though > it re-introduced a problem from earlier versions that Kded crashed > regularly. It didn't seem to matter. Earlier this year they offered > 2009 Spring as an update. This failed halfway through the download with > a message that a file was missing. The wizard offered to continue > regardless but actually it didn't, it began again from the beginning. > The installation failed and my system was stuffed. I tried to reload > 2009.0 from a disk supplied through the Linux magazine but the > installation crashed with a fatal error 'Cannot load the kernel into > memory'. I re-installed 2008. In all the kerfuffle over 2009 Spring I > ended up with an iso image of the gnome version of the programme. A few > days ago I tried this to see if it would work. I loaded it live from > the CD to make sure the kernel would load. It did and the programme > looked OK so I opted for 'Install' from the icon on the desktop. It > installed and came up running. Next day when I fired up I got a message > 'Critical error.. View the bootlog.' Once I acknowledged the message > the programme loaded and appeared to run normally. The bootlog showed > that npviewer had caused a segmentation fault and if I read the log > correctly this was because it had tried to write to read only memory. > The internet shows that npviewer causes problems with Ubuntu and Firefox > but apparently does not crash the system. There was one lone item from > a Mandriva user who had had problems. The suggestion was made by one of > the contributors that removing nswrapper seemed to solve the problem and > I have done that. Actually, you might have hit a problem I've seen before with the first time wizard, if your getting this error before it asks you to login. in which case. Ctrl - Alt - F1 login as root pkill -u ftw Ctrl - Alt - F6 Should fix it. > The next time I booted the boot failed completely with the same error > message followed by a blank screen. I can boot in safe mode but the > resulting screen will not accept any of the commands my admittedly old > Linux manual says should bring up the xserver. > The boot menu offers two other alternatives, 2-6.29.1 4mnb and 2-6.29.6 > 2mnb. I can boot using the first of these but 29.6 crashes in the same > way as vm-linuz. > The bootlog does not show anything which appears relevant to my > untrained eye. It does say that Bios may corrupt low memory and that it > is working round that. It also shows a failure to reserve some memory. > Is this a Mandriva problem or do I have a hardware problem? > I note that 'free' returns the full 2 gig of memory but shows 664 mb > used which to my admittedly ignorant view appears rather high with only > Dolphin and OpenOffice running. The bootlog shows 2 gb of memory found. > I have Linux Magazine versions of Ubuntu, Suse, Fedora, Debian and > Knoppix (up to date in each case). While I have some idea of Debian I > am reluctant at my age to start learning from the ground up. > > Alaric Wood > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug