From G.Kloss at massey.ac.nz Mon Sep 1 09:05:44 2008 From: G.Kloss at massey.ac.nz (Guy K. Kloss) Date: Mon Sep 1 09:05:51 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Auckland LUG meeting for the 1st September? In-Reply-To: References: <79F9A461-46F7-41E0-B800-7CB481E56EC1@openmedia.co.nz> <53933.192.168.0.254.1220159104.squirrel@webmail.stevencherie.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <200809010905.44353.G.Kloss@massey.ac.nz> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 6:28:44 pm Nevyn wrote: > > On Sun, August 31, 2008 4:35 pm, Nevyn wrote: > >> Think we've decided on the Clare Inn at 7pm. > > > > I thought that was for an SFD meeting, not the normal Auckland LUG > > session. > > My apologies - you're absolutely right... So, what's the status now? Any meeting today or this month? And if so, when/where? Guy -- Guy K. Kloss Institute of Information and Mathematical Sciences Te Kura Putaiao o Mohiohio me Pangarau Room 2.63, Quad Block A Building Massey University, Auckland, Albany Private Bag 102 904, North Shore Mail Centre voice: +64 9 414-0800 ext. 9585 ? fax: +64 9 441-8181 eMail: G.Kloss@massey.ac.nz ?http://www.massey.ac.nz/~gkloss/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/aucklug/attachments/20080901/c4da536f/attachment.pgp From jaco at bakgat.net Mon Sep 1 09:07:25 2008 From: jaco at bakgat.net (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Sep 1 09:07:31 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi guys, Hope you all had a good weekend. Location has been determined as The Clare Inn (apparently no WiFi) 274-278 Dominion Rd Mt Eden Auckland http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=-36.87730854072705&lon=174.7505575972425&zoom=17&layers=B000F000F http://smaps.co.nz/nz/auckland/balmoral/dominion+road/274/ There seems to be some prior commitments for some members on Monday (thanks for letting us know), so Tuesday @ 19:00 (7pm) may be a better fit. Last offer. Any objections, speak now, or forever hold your peace - Jaco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces ? your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. http://get.live.com/spaces/overview From freakalad at hotmail.com Mon Sep 1 12:35:23 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Sep 1 12:35:29 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the info, Chris. I'll look into it when I get a bit more time later (today, I hope). I'm not a notional, yet, so I don't yet have a right to get involved in local politics As for the SFD meet, I'd like to get a determination. Time & venue is agreed; day still unsure. Some members have indicated that they would be unable to attend tonight (Monday); at least more than have confirm in favour of tonight. Are we pressing ahead with the meeting tonight, or would it be more suitable tomorrow Tuesday? Either suits me fine; I'd just like to know either way so that I can arrange transport/night off - Jaco _________________________________________________________________ It?s time to join the family - Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services now! http://get.live.com/ From robin.paulson at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 14:44:19 2008 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Mon Sep 1 14:44:23 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2f3aa2770808311944i7cc1f860y7d5c404b875958d5@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/1 Jaco van der Merwe : > > Thanks for the info, Chris. I'll look into it when I get a bit more time later (today, I hope). > I'm not a notional, yet, so I don't yet have a right to get involved in local politics > > As for the SFD meet, I'd like to get a determination. > Time & venue is agreed; day still unsure. > Some members have indicated that they would be unable to attend tonight (Monday); at least more than have confirm in favour of tonight. > Are we pressing ahead with the meeting tonight, or would it be more suitable tomorrow Tuesday? > > Either suits me fine; I'd just like to know either way so that I can arrange transport/night off i'd prefer tonight, but tuesday is ok if that suits others better rob From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 16:36:57 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Sep 1 16:37:10 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770808311944i7cc1f860y7d5c404b875958d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770808311944i7cc1f860y7d5c404b875958d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2008/9/1 Jaco van der Merwe : >> >> Thanks for the info, Chris. I'll look into it when I get a bit more time later (today, I hope). >> I'm not a notional, yet, so I don't yet have a right to get involved in local politics >> >> As for the SFD meet, I'd like to get a determination. >> Time & venue is agreed; day still unsure. >> Some members have indicated that they would be unable to attend tonight (Monday); at least more than have confirm in favour of tonight. >> Are we pressing ahead with the meeting tonight, or would it be more suitable tomorrow Tuesday? >> >> Either suits me fine; I'd just like to know either way so that I can arrange transport/night off > > i'd prefer tonight, but tuesday is ok if that suits others better > > rob Lets get something going here... how many people willl be able to make it tonight? I'll be there at the very least. If not tonight, then tomorrow though there's a pub quiz at the Clare on a Tuesday night which I believe they're moving upstairs this week so tomorrow night might not be suitable. From freakalad at hotmail.com Mon Sep 1 17:48:42 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Sep 1 17:48:49 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - meeting Mon 1 Sept 19h00 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've not received any info yet, so I'll play it safe & maybe see you guys tonight Read the Greenie's IT manifesto, and seems in-step with our goals; just don't want to politicize the issue, as it may spook prospective adopters, but any help & exposure is welcome. (beggars & choosers & all that) c u there... _________________________________________________________________ Tired of having no room left in your inbox? Windows Live Hotmail now gives you 5GB of FREE storage! Get your free Windows Live Hotmail account here! http://get.live.com/mail/overview From freakalad at hotmail.com Tue Sep 2 14:29:08 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Sep 2 14:29:15 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] ???SFD??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, despite all the objections & such, it was only myself & Nevyn that attended (thanks, btw) Nevyn has indicated that he would be willing to meet with anyone that decide to attend tonight, as he lives in the area, but I no longer have the fuel to run around (had to know off work early, as is was, to make it on time...) I'll try & liaise with some of the other groups. Got some feedback back from Canonical. I'll try & arrange a venue @ RVB for next week Tuesday @ 19:00. It's nice & central & I know the owner. If anyone has objections, please provide an alternative (actions speak louder than words). soon In the mean time, I would urge everybody to at least try & get in touch with media outlets to promote the event, regardless of venue, & try & get some businesses exited so we may get sponsors in terms of $$$, venue, merchandise/consumables, old hardware, etc Ubuntu is the distro of choice (pick you flavour), as it covers both the Linux OS & the OSS for win32. We need to decide if we're wasting our time (will be if it's just 2 or 3 people looking like crackpots behind a table in a mall), or if we'll get more for our money's worth by pooling resources with more active LUG's If this is the case, then maybe we should rather shelve this year & start planning for t next year's event Nevyn & I came up with some ideas that we'll share a bit more as time by; I just want to collect my thoughts a bit, so that I don't end up making a fool of myself. again -J _________________________________________________________________ Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services http://get.live.com From alex at mkw-it.com Tue Sep 2 15:33:44 2008 From: alex at mkw-it.com (alex@mkw-it.com) Date: Tue Sep 2 15:33:47 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG SFD Meet Tonight? Message-ID: <1372.60.234.206.1.1220326424.squirrel@www.mkw-it.com> Right guys if I get confirmation in enough time I can probably make tonight. Please let me know. If worst comes to worst and no one can let me know in time through the mailing list, just email me alex@mkw-it.com or text me on 021 026 23335 as my internet is off at the moment and I'm not sure when it's coming back on. Alex > Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to > aucklug@linux.net.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 1 (Jaco van der Merwe) > 2. Re: RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 1 (Robin Paulson) > 3. Re: RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 1 (Nevyn) > 4. SFD - meeting Mon 1 Sept 19h00 (Jaco van der Merwe) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:35:23 +0200 > From: Jaco van der Merwe > Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 1 > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > > Thanks for the info, Chris. I'll look into it when I get a bit more time > later (today, I hope). > I'm not a notional, yet, so I don't yet have a right to get involved in > local politics > > As for the SFD meet, I'd like to get a determination. > Time & venue is agreed; day still unsure. > Some members have indicated that they would be unable to attend tonight > (Monday); at least more than have confirm in favour of tonight. > Are we pressing ahead with the meeting tonight, or would it be more > suitable tomorrow Tuesday? > > Either suits me fine; I'd just like to know either way so that I can > arrange transport/night off > > - Jaco > > _________________________________________________________________ > It?s time to join the family - Get the next generation of Free Windows > Live Services now! > http://get.live.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:44:19 +1200 > From: "Robin Paulson" > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 1 > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Message-ID: > <2f3aa2770808311944i7cc1f860y7d5c404b875958d5@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > 2008/9/1 Jaco van der Merwe : >> >> Thanks for the info, Chris. I'll look into it when I get a bit more time >> later (today, I hope). >> I'm not a notional, yet, so I don't yet have a right to get involved in >> local politics >> >> As for the SFD meet, I'd like to get a determination. >> Time & venue is agreed; day still unsure. >> Some members have indicated that they would be unable to attend tonight >> (Monday); at least more than have confirm in favour of tonight. >> Are we pressing ahead with the meeting tonight, or would it be more >> suitable tomorrow Tuesday? >> >> Either suits me fine; I'd just like to know either way so that I can >> arrange transport/night off > > i'd prefer tonight, but tuesday is ok if that suits others better > > rob > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:36:57 +1200 > From: Nevyn > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 1 > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Robin Paulson > wrote: >> 2008/9/1 Jaco van der Merwe : >>> >>> Thanks for the info, Chris. I'll look into it when I get a bit more >>> time later (today, I hope). >>> I'm not a notional, yet, so I don't yet have a right to get involved in >>> local politics >>> >>> As for the SFD meet, I'd like to get a determination. >>> Time & venue is agreed; day still unsure. >>> Some members have indicated that they would be unable to attend tonight >>> (Monday); at least more than have confirm in favour of tonight. >>> Are we pressing ahead with the meeting tonight, or would it be more >>> suitable tomorrow Tuesday? >>> >>> Either suits me fine; I'd just like to know either way so that I can >>> arrange transport/night off >> >> i'd prefer tonight, but tuesday is ok if that suits others better >> >> rob > > Lets get something going here... how many people willl be able to make > it tonight? I'll be there at the very least. If not tonight, then > tomorrow though there's a pub quiz at the Clare on a Tuesday night > which I believe they're moving upstairs this week so tomorrow night > might not be suitable. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 07:48:42 +0200 > From: Jaco van der Merwe > Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - meeting Mon 1 Sept 19h00 > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > I've not received any info yet, so I'll play it safe & maybe see you guys > tonight > > Read the Greenie's IT manifesto, and seems in-step with our goals; just > don't want to politicize the issue, as it may spook prospective adopters, > but any help & exposure is welcome. (beggars & choosers & all that) > > c u there... > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of having no room left in your inbox? Windows Live Hotmail now gives > you 5GB of FREE storage! Get your free Windows Live Hotmail account here! > http://get.live.com/mail/overview > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 2 > ************************************** > From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 16:00:18 2008 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Sep 2 16:00:44 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] ???SFD??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2f3aa2770809012100p2514a4e1qd6378d63dd2cf0a3@mail.gmail.com> i'm willing to come to the meetings guys, but i only found out at 10 to 7 last night (and in fact, the final confirmation mail was only sent an hour and ten before it was due to start) that it was definitely on for yesterday - i was under the impression it was going to be switched to tonight. i'm sure you'll get more attendees if you definitively announce things several days in advance and don't change/suggest a change of the time at the last minute has anyone used any of the resources on http://softwarefreedomday.org/ i'm sure if we register, they can provide info and suggestions for how to get things going you didn't make a fool of yourself - it's good that someone puts in the effort and time to do this cheers rob, who's keen to help out 2008/9/2 Jaco van der Merwe : > > Well, despite all the objections & such, it was only myself & Nevyn that attended (thanks, btw) > > Nevyn has indicated that he would be willing to meet with anyone that decide to attend tonight, as he lives in the area, but I no longer have the fuel to run around (had to know off work early, as is was, to make it on time...) > > I'll try & liaise with some of the other groups. > Got some feedback back from Canonical. > > I'll try & arrange a venue @ RVB for next week Tuesday @ 19:00. It's nice & central & I know the owner. > If anyone has objections, please provide an alternative (actions speak louder than words). soon > > In the mean time, I would urge everybody to at least try & get in touch with media outlets to promote the event, regardless of venue, & try & get some businesses exited so we may get sponsors in terms of $$$, venue, merchandise/consumables, old hardware, etc > > Ubuntu is the distro of choice (pick you flavour), as it covers both the Linux OS & the OSS for win32. > > We need to decide if we're wasting our time (will be if it's just 2 or 3 people looking like crackpots behind a table in a mall), or if we'll get more for our money's worth by pooling resources with more active LUG's > If this is the case, then maybe we should rather shelve this year & start planning for t next year's event > > Nevyn & I came up with some ideas that we'll share a bit more as time by; I just want to collect my thoughts a bit, so that I don't end up making a fool of myself. again > > -J > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services > http://get.live.com_______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 16:27:19 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Sep 2 16:27:27 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] ???SFD??? In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770809012100p2514a4e1qd6378d63dd2cf0a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770809012100p2514a4e1qd6378d63dd2cf0a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Robin Paulson wrote: > i'm willing to come to the meetings guys, but i only found out at 10 > to 7 last night (and in fact, the final confirmation mail was only > sent an hour and ten before it was due to start) that it was > definitely on for yesterday - i was under the impression it was going > to be switched to tonight. > > i'm sure you'll get more attendees if you definitively announce things > several days in advance and don't change/suggest a change of the time > at the last minute > > has anyone used any of the resources on > > http://softwarefreedomday.org/ > > i'm sure if we register, they can provide info and suggestions for how > to get things going > > you didn't make a fool of yourself - it's good that someone puts in > the effort and time to do this > > cheers > > rob, who's keen to help out Hopefully next weeks will be a lot better. This is it - RVB - Tuesday - 7... This flipflopping with venues and the like was an experience. Basically from next week we have about two weeks to organise something so we really need to get going on this. Basically last night Jaco and I brainstormed a few ideas on how to get opensource more recognised in NZ through participation. I.e. getting people using Linux machines. If anyone is going to the Clare tonight, I'll be there anyway for the pub quiz but depending on how many people show up I may flag the quiz and do the whole meeting thing instead. Basically we need participation as last night just turned into Jaco and I sitting around, drinking a beer, having some fries and coming up with some interesting ideas. I probably won't be there till around 7:30 though.. I'll see what happens. Regards, Nevyn. From freakalad at hotmail.com Wed Sep 3 12:17:00 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Sep 3 12:17:08 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD progress? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for responding, guys. It's understandable that the message gets lost, because this list is not very responsive. Valid points on the late notice & "flip-flop"; I can see how it can cause confusion. I've noticed messages posted on Friday weren't delivered until late on Monday Anyone have a look @ http://www.softwarefreedomday.org.nz/ ? (Wellington effort; hats' off to those guys) And THIS is what I was thinking of in terms of schools: (thanks to http://opensourceexile.blogspot.com/) http://computing.hagley.school.nz/about/opensource (note the *.school.nz ; can you say "school repository"?) I've received some feedback from Canonical; may be (BIG maybe) getting some freebies sent to me Yet again, thanks to everyone for participating. I'll be heading out to the Howick LUG (http://wiki.linux.net.nz/HLUG) tomorrow evening to see if we can coordinate some sort of effort & maybe invite invite those members to Tuesday's meeting @ RVB (still awaiting confirmation of venue) BTW. I might be attending the NZCS event (Don Christie) on the 8th in town, to see if I can get anyone willing to assist our effort. Will post info as I get it Thanks - Jaco _________________________________________________________________ Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services http://get.live.com From jaco at bakgat.net Thu Sep 4 08:52:11 2008 From: jaco at bakgat.net (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Sep 4 08:52:16 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - meeting confirmed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi guys, As requested, here's the head's-up on the next/first meeting for the SFD When: Tuesday 2008-09-09, 19:00 (7pm) Where: RVB, 155 Karangahape Road (K-rd), Auckland Cost: a beer or 2 (or a soft-drink, if you're so inclined) Agenda: SoftwareFreedomDay(.org[.nz]) Focus: Agreement on distro, sponsors, venue, target market & anything else we've been unable to agree on (which is pretty-much everything) As this is a meeting for the SFD, and not AuckLUG, any & all other LUG's & interested parties are welcome (other distractions are available at the venue, so you're welcome to bring your partners, colleagues & friends) The more the merrier. c u there - Jaco _________________________________________________________________ Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services http://get.live.com From freakalad at hotmail.com Mon Sep 8 14:08:15 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Sep 8 14:08:20 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - progress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi guys, Finally; a spot of good news. I've just received a tiny shipmen of Ubuntu merchandise: some stickers, flyers & 4 "ubuntu guru" T-shirts (one I'll keep for myself, of course). The remaining T-shirts I'll hand out on the day of the event Unfortunately, no disks where included :( , but I'm not complaining I'll burn a couple (10) of the DVD versions I've got (32-bit & 64-bit) Just a confirmation/reminder of tomorrow's event: Time: Tuesday 2008-09-09 19:00 for 19:30 Location: RVB (rvb.co.nz) @ 155 K-rd Bring: $ for a beer/coke, a friend/colleague/partner, other gLUG members hope to see you folks there... - Jaco _________________________________________________________________ Join the all-new Windows Live Messenger family http://get.live.com From freakalad at hotmail.com Mon Sep 8 17:00:40 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Sep 8 17:00:44 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] REMINDER - SFD meet @ RVB on K-rd In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is just a reminder of the planned SFD meeting @ RVB on K-rd tomorrow This list has not been operating very frequently (or I should rather say infrequently). Suspect it works in batched based on thread counts Got a few goodies from Canonical (stickers & brochures) c u guys there _________________________________________________________________ Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services http://get.live.com From freakalad at hotmail.com Mon Sep 8 17:13:27 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Sep 8 17:13:30 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] please ignore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: trying to fill up 'batch' to get mail out about tomorrow's meet _________________________________________________________________ Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services http://get.live.com From blakjak at blakjak.net Mon Sep 8 21:23:24 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Mon Sep 8 21:23:40 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] please ignore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It posts messages as they arrive, for those with conventional subscriptions. Digest's are different, based on thresholds of size (30Kb per Digest). If you want to obtain information about the AuckLUG mailing list please contact aucklug-owner@ in the first instance. I'm a former admin, and administer other lists hosted at linux.net.nz, so can help if you get stuck otherwise. Mark. On Mon, 8 Sep 2008, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > trying > to > fill > up > 'batch' > to > get > mail > out > about > tomorrow's > meet > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services > http://get.live.com_______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From freakalad at hotmail.com Tue Sep 9 13:08:29 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Sep 9 13:08:38 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD meeting - tonight (Tuesday) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the offer, Mark Confirms my suspicion. Just want everybody informed about tonight's meeting in time Thanks - Jaco > From: aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > Subject: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 5 > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 12:00:16 +1200 > > Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to > aucklug@linux.net.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. SFD - progress (Jaco van der Merwe) > 2. REMINDER - SFD meet @ RVB on K-rd (Jaco van der Merwe) > 3. please ignore (Jaco van der Merwe) > 4. Re: please ignore (Mark Foster) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 04:08:15 +0200 > From: Jaco van der Merwe > Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - progress > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi guys, > > Finally; a spot of good news. > I've just received a tiny shipmen of Ubuntu merchandise: some stickers, flyers & 4 "ubuntu guru" T-shirts (one I'll keep for myself, of course). The remaining T-shirts I'll hand out on the day of the event > Unfortunately, no disks where included :( , but I'm not complaining > I'll burn a couple (10) of the DVD versions I've got (32-bit & 64-bit) > > Just a confirmation/reminder of tomorrow's event: > Time: Tuesday 2008-09-09 19:00 for 19:30 > Location: RVB (rvb.co.nz) @ 155 K-rd > Bring: $ for a beer/coke, a friend/colleague/partner, other gLUG members > > hope to see you folks there... > > - Jaco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the all-new Windows Live Messenger family > http://get.live.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 07:00:40 +0200 > From: Jaco van der Merwe > Subject: [AuckLUG] REMINDER - SFD meet @ RVB on K-rd > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > This is just a reminder of the planned SFD meeting @ RVB on K-rd tomorrow > > This list has not been operating very frequently (or I should rather say infrequently). Suspect it works in batched based on thread counts > > Got a few goodies from Canonical (stickers & brochures) > > c u guys there > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services > http://get.live.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 07:13:27 +0200 > From: Jaco van der Merwe > Subject: [AuckLUG] please ignore > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > trying > to > fill > up > 'batch' > to > get > mail > out > about > tomorrow's > meet > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services > http://get.live.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 21:23:24 +1200 (NZST) > From: Mark Foster > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] please ignore > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > It posts messages as they arrive, for those with conventional > subscriptions. > > Digest's are different, based on thresholds of size (30Kb per Digest). > > If you want to obtain information about the AuckLUG mailing list please > contact aucklug-owner@ in the first instance. > > I'm a former admin, and administer other lists hosted at linux.net.nz, so > can help if you get stuck otherwise. > > Mark. > > > > On Mon, 8 Sep 2008, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > > > > trying > > to > > fill > > up > > 'batch' > > to > > get > > mail > > out > > about > > tomorrow's > > meet > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services > > http://get.live.com_______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 5 > ************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Join the all-new Windows Live Messenger family http://get.live.com From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 13:54:33 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Sep 9 13:54:41 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD meeting - tonight (Tuesday) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Guys, Jaco and everyone else going to tonights meeting, I apologise but I'm unable to make it tonight. I have come down with a bit of a throat infection which has now got me sweating ("you give me fever"). Let me know what's decided tonight. Regards, Nevyn. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > Thanks for the offer, Mark > > Confirms my suspicion. > Just want everybody informed about tonight's meeting in time > > Thanks > > - Jaco > > >> From: aucklug-request@linux.net.nz >> Subject: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 5 >> To: aucklug@linux.net.nz >> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 12:00:16 +1200 >> >> Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to >> aucklug@linux.net.nz >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> aucklug-request@linux.net.nz >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. SFD - progress (Jaco van der Merwe) >> 2. REMINDER - SFD meet @ RVB on K-rd (Jaco van der Merwe) >> 3. please ignore (Jaco van der Merwe) >> 4. Re: please ignore (Mark Foster) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 04:08:15 +0200 >> From: Jaco van der Merwe >> Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - progress >> To: >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Hi guys, >> >> Finally; a spot of good news. >> I've just received a tiny shipmen of Ubuntu merchandise: some stickers, flyers & 4 "ubuntu guru" T-shirts (one I'll keep for myself, of course). The remaining T-shirts I'll hand out on the day of the event >> Unfortunately, no disks where included :( , but I'm not complaining >> I'll burn a couple (10) of the DVD versions I've got (32-bit & 64-bit) >> >> Just a confirmation/reminder of tomorrow's event: >> Time: Tuesday 2008-09-09 19:00 for 19:30 >> Location: RVB (rvb.co.nz) @ 155 K-rd >> Bring: $ for a beer/coke, a friend/colleague/partner, other gLUG members >> >> hope to see you folks there... >> >> - Jaco >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Join the all-new Windows Live Messenger family >> http://get.live.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 07:00:40 +0200 >> From: Jaco van der Merwe >> Subject: [AuckLUG] REMINDER - SFD meet @ RVB on K-rd >> To: >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> This is just a reminder of the planned SFD meeting @ RVB on K-rd tomorrow >> >> This list has not been operating very frequently (or I should rather say infrequently). Suspect it works in batched based on thread counts >> >> Got a few goodies from Canonical (stickers & brochures) >> >> c u guys there >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services >> http://get.live.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 07:13:27 +0200 >> From: Jaco van der Merwe >> Subject: [AuckLUG] please ignore >> To: >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> trying >> to >> fill >> up >> 'batch' >> to >> get >> mail >> out >> about >> tomorrow's >> meet >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services >> http://get.live.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 21:23:24 +1200 (NZST) >> From: Mark Foster >> Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] please ignore >> To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> >> It posts messages as they arrive, for those with conventional >> subscriptions. >> >> Digest's are different, based on thresholds of size (30Kb per Digest). >> >> If you want to obtain information about the AuckLUG mailing list please >> contact aucklug-owner@ in the first instance. >> >> I'm a former admin, and administer other lists hosted at linux.net.nz, so >> can help if you get stuck otherwise. >> >> Mark. >> >> >> >> On Mon, 8 Sep 2008, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >> >> > >> > trying >> > to >> > fill >> > up >> > 'batch' >> > to >> > get >> > mail >> > out >> > about >> > tomorrow's >> > meet >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services >> > http://get.live.com_______________________________________________ >> > AuckLUG mailing list >> > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> >> End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 5 >> ************************************** > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the all-new Windows Live Messenger family > http://get.live.com_______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From stuart at learning.ac.nz Tue Sep 9 12:54:46 2008 From: stuart at learning.ac.nz (Stuart Mealor) Date: Tue Sep 9 13:55:08 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Music keyboard for Ubuntu - USB or 5pin In-Reply-To: <200808121004.BRB76847@imr.mail.isx.net.nz> References: <200808121004.BRB76847@imr.mail.isx.net.nz> Message-ID: <875B7124-7AFC-4EC2-AC30-ED653BC75E98@learning.ac.nz> Hi Does anyone have knowledge of which musical keyboards work with Ubuntu? I've got a MIDI setup via an external Creative Audigy Z2. However, looking at the Rock Shop I see that most keyboards are USB. USB is quite attractive/flexible because I can plugin into my Mac, Windows laptop, but primarily my Ubuntu box. I'm sure these keyboards will come with USB drivers for Windows, and quite possibly Macs (which have a good history of music software), but I don't think they will have linux drivers!?!? So, is a USB music keyboard a feasible option to run with Ubuntu - or should I just go for a 5-pin din model that I can only connect to existing specific hardware. I'm in Auckland for two days so can buy something asap :-) Thanks in advance for any knowledge / ideas, Stuart. From freakalad at hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 17:47:30 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Sep 10 17:47:38 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] REPORT: FSD meeting @ RVB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, So! Here I am, reporting on the RVB meeting. First-off, a BIG thanks to everybody that attended: Dale (old-school representin' da hood!), Balan (newcomer to Linux; warm welcome & good luck), Alan (fellow SA'ner *nix bloke), guests Matthew (freelancer techie) & Milan (Ubuntu cyber-cafe @ Devonport; who knew?), both from the 'shore, and my fianc?e Cory (who tried to keep us grounded & focussed on the end-user, like herself) Also, a BIG thanks to Deshan, the venue owner (he's offered to host any regular meetings & discount the beers to $5 a pop for us :D ; sweet!) Sorry you couldn't make it, Nevyn; hope you feel better The consensus was pretty-much thus: organisation got off the ground too late, message is confused, so we'll pool our efforts, energies & resources with the Hibiscus Coast LUG, help them & learn from the experience, and start working now towards the event for next year. I'll be liaising with Simon, to see where we hand be of best assistance on the day. A suggestion has also been made for members to contact Canonical directly, to request "official" Ubuntu CD's (printed, with sleeves). Apparently we can each ask for 4 disk at no charge. I'll try & liaise with Marilize, so we can get it over in a singe shipping, to save them $$$ on shipping costs.They've already been kind enough to send me some "ubuntu guru" t-shirts, flyers & stickers, which I'll bring along wherever I'll/we'll be posted Following up on Dales valuable & experienced suggestions (thanks again), I'd like to raise 3 points: 1.Event notice: I'll try & get more info from Simon 2. Invite LUG's to join forces: I'll chat to you guys, Hamilton, Pakaranga & anyone else willing to listen 3. Strategy into the future: we should probably start preparing for next year's event, now. Mini-events in & around town every week or fortnight, install-fest/fix-fests/hack-fests every month or 3. My personal feeling is, we should probably concentrate on the youth/kids. They're open to new ideas, not afraid to muck about, market of tomorrow, it's a way of reaching parents & students, good media exposure, readily available venues with ample parking... I can go & on & on & on. But that's for post-SFD So! That's the story so far (or most of it, at least) Will post again when I hear back from Simon as to what he's planning, and once we have a coherent story we can present to media outlets. In the mean time, please, make yourselves heard & try & drum up some support & excitement in the little time we have left to us. If you know of any newspaper or media-types we can notify, that would be great Thanks again to everybody contributing cheers - Jaco _________________________________________________________________ Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services http://get.live.com From xurizaemon at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 10:00:10 2008 From: xurizaemon at gmail.com (chris burgess) Date: Thu Sep 11 10:03:46 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Music keyboard for Ubuntu - USB or 5pin In-Reply-To: <875B7124-7AFC-4EC2-AC30-ED653BC75E98@learning.ac.nz> References: <200808121004.BRB76847@imr.mail.isx.net.nz> <875B7124-7AFC-4EC2-AC30-ED653BC75E98@learning.ac.nz> Message-ID: <70d16a930809101500o7e1bf84l3c547b3a2ba39474@mail.gmail.com> I don't know the answer to your question. My suggestion - as you're on a timeline - would be to check / crosspost to Ubuntu Forums (www.ubuntuforums.org) or Ubuntu Studio support. See if either have a hardware compatability list which you can print and take into the stores around AK central. Also, you might find out which devices are supported by investigating specific music software (eg Rosegarden) and seeing which devices people have had success with it. They, too, may have hardware compatability lists available. Sorry I can't be more specifically helpful - and my apologies if you've already done some of the above :) Let us know what works for you! On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Stuart Mealor wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone have knowledge of which musical keyboards work with Ubuntu? > > I've got a MIDI setup via an external Creative Audigy Z2. > However, looking at the Rock Shop I see that most keyboards are USB. > USB is quite attractive/flexible because I can plugin into my Mac, Windows > laptop, but primarily my Ubuntu box. > > I'm sure these keyboards will come with USB drivers for Windows, and quite > possibly Macs (which have a good history of music software), but I don't > think they will have linux drivers!?!? > > So, is a USB music keyboard a feasible option to run with Ubuntu - or should > I just go for a 5-pin din model that I can only connect to existing specific > hardware. > > I'm in Auckland for two days so can buy something asap :-) > > Thanks in advance for any knowledge / ideas, Stuart. > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From xurizaemon at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 10:00:10 2008 From: xurizaemon at gmail.com (chris burgess) Date: Thu Sep 11 10:10:14 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Music keyboard for Ubuntu - USB or 5pin In-Reply-To: <875B7124-7AFC-4EC2-AC30-ED653BC75E98@learning.ac.nz> References: <200808121004.BRB76847@imr.mail.isx.net.nz> <875B7124-7AFC-4EC2-AC30-ED653BC75E98@learning.ac.nz> Message-ID: <70d16a930809101500o7e1bf84l3c547b3a2ba39474@mail.gmail.com> I don't know the answer to your question. My suggestion - as you're on a timeline - would be to check / crosspost to Ubuntu Forums (www.ubuntuforums.org) or Ubuntu Studio support. See if either have a hardware compatability list which you can print and take into the stores around AK central. Also, you might find out which devices are supported by investigating specific music software (eg Rosegarden) and seeing which devices people have had success with it. They, too, may have hardware compatability lists available. Sorry I can't be more specifically helpful - and my apologies if you've already done some of the above :) Let us know what works for you! On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Stuart Mealor wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone have knowledge of which musical keyboards work with Ubuntu? > > I've got a MIDI setup via an external Creative Audigy Z2. > However, looking at the Rock Shop I see that most keyboards are USB. > USB is quite attractive/flexible because I can plugin into my Mac, Windows > laptop, but primarily my Ubuntu box. > > I'm sure these keyboards will come with USB drivers for Windows, and quite > possibly Macs (which have a good history of music software), but I don't > think they will have linux drivers!?!? > > So, is a USB music keyboard a feasible option to run with Ubuntu - or should > I just go for a 5-pin din model that I can only connect to existing specific > hardware. > > I'm in Auckland for two days so can buy something asap :-) > > Thanks in advance for any knowledge / ideas, Stuart. > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From kecs at slingshot.co.nz Thu Sep 11 17:52:23 2008 From: kecs at slingshot.co.nz (KECS) Date: Thu Sep 11 17:52:25 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003701c913d2$9057c1a0$0202a8c0@brucek> I am a novice I need a very simple plug and play solution Can anyone assist Thanks Bruce ? Dr Bruce H Knox Knox Educational Consulting Services? 'Practical advice that works' 26 Darcy Place Waitakere 0614 New Zealand +64 9 8320989 (res) +64 21 224 5669 ? ? -----Original Message----- From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] On Behalf Of aucklug-request@linux.net.nz Sent: Tuesday, 8 July 2008 12:00 p.m. To: aucklug@linux.net.nz Subject: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 38, Issue 3 Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to aucklug@linux.net.nz To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aucklug-request@linux.net.nz You can reach the person managing the list at aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Open Moko Auckland buyers group (Glen Ogilvie) 2. Re: Open Moko Auckland buyers group (Robin Paulson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:40:18 +1200 From: Glen Ogilvie Subject: [AuckLUG] Open Moko Auckland buyers group To: aucklug@linux.net.nz Message-ID: <5202866acc9c0d2bccca76205f71cadd@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, The is a bunch of people in NZ getting together to put in a group order for an Openmoko cell phone. The wiki link with more information about this is here: http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Auckland We are looking for a few more keen buyers to get in contact with Paul Sandkuijl, who is organizing a group order of these phones at a discounted rate, from buying them individually. If your interested, then please have a look. You can find out more about Openmoko at www.openmoko.com and www.openmoko.org. I for one, am keen to buy something like this, as it's a lot more open than other phones on the market. Regards Glen Ogilvie ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:17:31 +0100 From: "Robin Paulson" Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Open Moko Auckland buyers group To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" Message-ID: <2f3aa2770807070817w44a7aedcg5518ce27d93f8117@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Glen for kicking this off. In addition to what Glen said, here's a few more links and other pieces of info on the Openmoko Freerunner: The phone was conceived as an open alternative to the current situation where most mobile phones are locked-down by the operators; as such it has documentation available for the majority of the hardware, allowing open drivers to be developed (these are mostly done already by openmoko, the company selling the phone). Development of software by third-party developers is also encouraged, to the point of a toolchain and supporting documentation being released, and there are a number of projects underway already. The price is not fixed yet (depends on several things, including the number of buyers and exchange rates), but will be in the NZ$550 area. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_Overview has all the details about the phone, it's hardware, software stack and user software plus there are lots of sites on the web with more info, third-party projects, reviews, etc. As Glen said, Paul Sandkuijl from Napier is organising the group buy; so if any of you are interested, please contact him via: paul@edictor.com or take a look at the trademe auction he is using to promote the group buys: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Mobile-phones/Vodafone-network/Other/auction-164388 998.htm thanks rob 2008/7/7 Glen Ogilvie : > > Hi, > > The is a bunch of people in NZ getting together to put in a group order for > an Openmoko cell phone. > > The wiki link with more information about this is here: > http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Auckland > > We are looking for a few more keen buyers to get in contact with Paul > Sandkuijl, who is organizing a group order of these phones at a discounted > rate, from buying them individually. > > If your interested, then please have a look. > > You can find out more about Openmoko at www.openmoko.com and > www.openmoko.org. > > I for one, am keen to buy something like this, as it's a lot more open than > other phones on the market. > > Regards > Glen Ogilvie > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 38, Issue 3 ************************************** From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 23:52:51 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Sep 11 23:52:57 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone In-Reply-To: <003701c913d2$9057c1a0$0202a8c0@brucek> References: <003701c913d2$9057c1a0$0202a8c0@brucek> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:52 PM, KECS wrote: > I am a novice > > I need a very simple plug and play solution > Can anyone assist > Thanks > > Bruce Hi Bruce, That's a terribly broad question and there's only one real sensible response to the question.... details please? Plug and Play solution to do what? I often find that Linux is fantastic for doing very specific things. E.g. had a friend who had a laptop which he only wanted to surf the web, do a bit of word processing on, be able to watch movies and listen to music. The laptop worked great and needed very little maintenance (unfortunately, it eventually got a crack around the monitor which got worse and worse) - we even used it to provide music at his wedding. If you're wanting to do a bit of everything, you're probably in for an incredibly steep learning curve. The more specific you are with your questions, the more likely you are to get an answer that works for you. Regards, Nevyn. From kiirani at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 09:42:03 2008 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Fri Sep 12 09:42:10 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone In-Reply-To: References: <003701c913d2$9057c1a0$0202a8c0@brucek> Message-ID: <2494ad260809111442y6e525b66v4146f071378f04e2@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/11 Nevyn : > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:52 PM, KECS wrote: >> I am a novice >> >> I need a very simple plug and play solution >> Can anyone assist >> Thanks >> >> Bruce > > Hi Bruce, > > That's a terribly broad question and there's only one real sensible > response to the question.... details please? Plug and Play solution to > do what? Nevyn: the question appears in the subject line, not the email body "[AuckLUG] Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone" On the subject of syncing devices, I am able to script this, but my solution would be neither "simple" nor "plug and play", so I can only wish you luck :) From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 10:49:23 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Sep 12 10:49:33 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone In-Reply-To: <2494ad260809111442y6e525b66v4146f071378f04e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <003701c913d2$9057c1a0$0202a8c0@brucek> <2494ad260809111442y6e525b66v4146f071378f04e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Kennedy Skelton wrote: > 2008/9/11 Nevyn : >> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:52 PM, KECS wrote: >>> I am a novice >>> >>> I need a very simple plug and play solution >>> Can anyone assist >>> Thanks >>> >>> Bruce >> >> Hi Bruce, >> >> That's a terribly broad question and there's only one real sensible >> response to the question.... details please? Plug and Play solution to >> do what? > > Nevyn: the question appears in the subject line, not the email body > "[AuckLUG] Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 laptop > with my Motorola A1200 smart phone" > > On the subject of syncing devices, I am able to script this, but my > solution would be neither "simple" nor "plug and play", so I can only > wish you luck :) My bad.. I've always hated that approach. I find I seldom read the subject as it's quite often different from the content. I sort of take exception to the subject line here anyway... Linux 8.04?!?!? We're only up to 2.6 in stable and of course 2.7 in development. Ubuntu is Linux but Linux isn't Ubuntu. The suggestions I've seen have been to use this site: http://scheduleworld.com/ use J2MESync (good starting point for a google search) This page seems pretty good: http://wiki.kandalaya.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/MotorolaA1200 It describes doing various data communications between the phone and a debian machine and of course Ubuntu is based on Debian so there should be few differences. http://www.ohli.de/?J2MESync This page describes J2MESync and how to use it. J2MESync looks like a java applet which needs to be installed on the phone to enable it to sync via bluetooth. I'm assuming you'd need it even if you were going to use scheduleworld.com. This to me implies that you're not going to get a plug and play solution - in fact the site that describes J2MESync says that the user ends up having to click "yes" on his phone multiple times during a sync as he has to acknowledge every type of write access. I don't think scheduleworld is a must as this seems to be a way of avoiding having to set up the computer to do the bits needed. Evolution should be able to handle it fine. I hope this helps Bruce. Regards, Nevyn. From kent_wilkinson at slingshot.co.nz Fri Sep 12 11:39:50 2008 From: kent_wilkinson at slingshot.co.nz (Kent Wilkinson) Date: Fri Sep 12 11:40:04 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Shifting Ubuntu from a single disk to a 2 disk raid0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1221176391.12810.27.camel@cosmos> I have recently switched to Ubuntu from Gentoo (I have had a lot of trouble after updates this year with Gentoo, the last one broke portage!). I used to have my OS installed in several partitions on 2 160GB hard drives. A small raid1 boot partition and raid0 root and home partitions. I'm not worried about data redundancy for the OS as all my important data is stored an a large 4 disk raid5 array. During the install Ubuntu didn't give any option to install on a raid array (I'm still baffled by this), this included booting the live cd, installing mdadm and manually setting up the arrays. The installer still would not see the arrays. So I gave in and installed on one disk only, figuring that I could move the OS to a raid array later. So here's what I am thinking (I have never done this before so I need someone who has to tell me if this will work or not): 1) I boot from live CD 2) Tarball and gzip my existing install onto a portable drive 3) Install mdadm and setup the disks like so: 2x small boot partition as raid1 2x2GB swap partitions 2x16GB root partition as raid0 2x remainder as home partition as raid0 4) Set-up ext3 file systems on partitions and Mount file systems 5) extract old OS preserving permissions to new file systems 6) setup proc, and bind dev on the new file systems 7) chroot into the new system and reconfigure fstab and grub 8) reboot I have never used grub before (but it's about time I learnt). Here's my current setup: title Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.24-19-generic root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-19-generic root=UUID=749add6a-3136-4dca-ab7c-137f4d968a42 ro quiet splash initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-19-generic quiet For this to work I need to change root=UUID=bla bla to root=/dev/md1 My setup doesn't have a grub.conf at the moment, the above settings were from menu.lst, is this right? Do I need to recompile my kernel with raid support built-in or will this work fine if they are modules? Any help will be greatly appreciated :-) Thanks Kent From daniel at rimspace.net Fri Sep 12 12:38:10 2008 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Fri Sep 12 12:38:22 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Shifting Ubuntu from a single disk to a 2 disk raid0 In-Reply-To: <1221176391.12810.27.camel@cosmos> (Kent Wilkinson's message of "Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:39:50 +1200") References: <1221176391.12810.27.camel@cosmos> Message-ID: <87iqt28ah9.fsf@rimspace.net> Kent Wilkinson writes: > I have recently switched to Ubuntu from Gentoo (I have had a lot of > trouble after updates this year with Gentoo, the last one broke > portage!). I used to have my OS installed in several partitions on 2 > 160GB hard drives. A small raid1 boot partition and raid0 root and > home partitions. I'm not worried about data redundancy for the OS as > all my important data is stored an a large 4 disk raid5 array. > > During the install Ubuntu didn't give any option to install on a raid > array (I'm still baffled by this), The alternate CD installer includes this option, under manual partitioning. I thought the GUI LiveCD installer did, also, but presumably not. > this included booting the live cd, installing mdadm and manually > setting up the arrays. The installer still would not see the > arrays. So I gave in and installed on one disk only, figuring that I > could move the OS to a raid array later. > > So here's what I am thinking (I have never done this before so I need > someone who has to tell me if this will work or not): > > 1) I boot from live CD > 2) Tarball and gzip my existing install onto a portable drive > 3) Install mdadm and setup the disks like so: > 2x small boot partition as raid1 > 2x2GB swap partitions > 2x16GB root partition as raid0 > 2x remainder as home partition as raid0 > 4) Set-up ext3 file systems on partitions and Mount file systems > 5) extract old OS preserving permissions to new file systems That happens by default as root, so not much to worry about. > 6) setup proc, and bind dev on the new file systems > 7) chroot into the new system and reconfigure fstab and grub > 8) reboot Yeah, that works. I tend to use rsync, personally, where you are using tar, because this usually involves hopping disks as well, but you have the basic process down. > I have never used grub before (but it's about time I learnt). Here's my > current setup: > > title Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.24-19-generic > root (hd0,0) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-19-generic > root=UUID=749add6a-3136-4dca-ab7c-137f4d968a42 ro quiet splash > initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-19-generic > quiet > > For this to work I need to change root=UUID=bla bla to root=/dev/md1 > > My setup doesn't have a grub.conf at the moment, the above settings were > from menu.lst, is this right? menu.lst is the "old" name of grub.conf, in the sense that grub.conf was introduced later (by distributions, IIRC) as making more sense. So, yes, either of those should be just fine. Also, keep in mind that you can get a grub console where you can enter those kernel and initrd lines, then 'boot', to manually boot if the menu isn't up to date. > Do I need to recompile my kernel with raid support built-in or will > this work fine if they are modules? It should work fine with modules, since they should be installed into the initrd for you automatically. You may want to check the initramfs-tools configuration, though, to make certain they are. > Any help will be greatly appreciated :-) Keep a boot CD to hand so you can boot, assemble the array and chroot by hand if something goes wrong, since that will let you recover from pretty much anything. Otherwise you have the basics down fine. Regards, Daniel From kecs at slingshot.co.nz Fri Sep 12 13:24:16 2008 From: kecs at slingshot.co.nz (KECS) Date: Fri Sep 12 13:24:17 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000a01c91476$460ddd60$0202a8c0@brucek> Dear Nevyn. Thankyou for your response The details are Acer Aspire Laptop running Ubuntu 8.04 Motorola A1200 phone running Linux The need Software that will enable a sync pair to be established Software that is simple [I have very limited skills in the Linux system] to install and use I will have a go at the solutions you suggested Grateful thanks Bruce ? Dr Bruce H Knox Knox Educational Consulting Services? 'Practical advice that works' 26 Darcy Place Waitakere 0614 New Zealand +64 9 8320989 (res) +64 21 224 5669 ? ? -----Original Message----- From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] On Behalf Of aucklug-request@linux.net.nz Sent: Friday, 12 September 2008 12:00 p.m. To: aucklug@linux.net.nz Subject: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 8 Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to aucklug@linux.net.nz To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aucklug-request@linux.net.nz You can reach the person managing the list at aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone (KECS) 2. Re: Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone (Nevyn) 3. Re: Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone (Kennedy Skelton) 4. Re: Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone (Nevyn) 5. Shifting Ubuntu from a single disk to a 2 disk raid0 (Kent Wilkinson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:52:23 +1200 From: "KECS" Subject: [AuckLUG] Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone To: Message-ID: <003701c913d2$9057c1a0$0202a8c0@brucek> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am a novice I need a very simple plug and play solution Can anyone assist Thanks Bruce Dr Bruce H Knox Knox Educational Consulting Services 'Practical advice that works' 26 Darcy Place Waitakere 0614 New Zealand +64 9 8320989 (res) +64 21 224 5669 -----Original Message----- From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] On Behalf Of aucklug-request@linux.net.nz Sent: Tuesday, 8 July 2008 12:00 p.m. To: aucklug@linux.net.nz Subject: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 38, Issue 3 Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to aucklug@linux.net.nz To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aucklug-request@linux.net.nz You can reach the person managing the list at aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Open Moko Auckland buyers group (Glen Ogilvie) 2. Re: Open Moko Auckland buyers group (Robin Paulson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:40:18 +1200 From: Glen Ogilvie Subject: [AuckLUG] Open Moko Auckland buyers group To: aucklug@linux.net.nz Message-ID: <5202866acc9c0d2bccca76205f71cadd@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, The is a bunch of people in NZ getting together to put in a group order for an Openmoko cell phone. The wiki link with more information about this is here: http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Auckland We are looking for a few more keen buyers to get in contact with Paul Sandkuijl, who is organizing a group order of these phones at a discounted rate, from buying them individually. If your interested, then please have a look. You can find out more about Openmoko at www.openmoko.com and www.openmoko.org. I for one, am keen to buy something like this, as it's a lot more open than other phones on the market. Regards Glen Ogilvie ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:17:31 +0100 From: "Robin Paulson" Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Open Moko Auckland buyers group To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" Message-ID: <2f3aa2770807070817w44a7aedcg5518ce27d93f8117@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Glen for kicking this off. In addition to what Glen said, here's a few more links and other pieces of info on the Openmoko Freerunner: The phone was conceived as an open alternative to the current situation where most mobile phones are locked-down by the operators; as such it has documentation available for the majority of the hardware, allowing open drivers to be developed (these are mostly done already by openmoko, the company selling the phone). Development of software by third-party developers is also encouraged, to the point of a toolchain and supporting documentation being released, and there are a number of projects underway already. The price is not fixed yet (depends on several things, including the number of buyers and exchange rates), but will be in the NZ$550 area. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_Overview has all the details about the phone, it's hardware, software stack and user software plus there are lots of sites on the web with more info, third-party projects, reviews, etc. As Glen said, Paul Sandkuijl from Napier is organising the group buy; so if any of you are interested, please contact him via: paul@edictor.com or take a look at the trademe auction he is using to promote the group buys: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Mobile-phones/Vodafone-network/Other/auction-164388 998.htm thanks rob 2008/7/7 Glen Ogilvie : > > Hi, > > The is a bunch of people in NZ getting together to put in a group order for > an Openmoko cell phone. > > The wiki link with more information about this is here: > http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Auckland > > We are looking for a few more keen buyers to get in contact with Paul > Sandkuijl, who is organizing a group order of these phones at a discounted > rate, from buying them individually. > > If your interested, then please have a look. > > You can find out more about Openmoko at www.openmoko.com and > www.openmoko.org. > > I for one, am keen to buy something like this, as it's a lot more open than > other phones on the market. > > Regards > Glen Ogilvie > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 38, Issue 3 ************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:52:51 +1200 From: Nevyn Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:52 PM, KECS wrote: > I am a novice > > I need a very simple plug and play solution > Can anyone assist > Thanks > > Bruce Hi Bruce, That's a terribly broad question and there's only one real sensible response to the question.... details please? Plug and Play solution to do what? I often find that Linux is fantastic for doing very specific things. E.g. had a friend who had a laptop which he only wanted to surf the web, do a bit of word processing on, be able to watch movies and listen to music. The laptop worked great and needed very little maintenance (unfortunately, it eventually got a crack around the monitor which got worse and worse) - we even used it to provide music at his wedding. If you're wanting to do a bit of everything, you're probably in for an incredibly steep learning curve. The more specific you are with your questions, the more likely you are to get an answer that works for you. Regards, Nevyn. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:42:03 +1200 From: "Kennedy Skelton" Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" Message-ID: <2494ad260809111442y6e525b66v4146f071378f04e2@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2008/9/11 Nevyn : > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:52 PM, KECS wrote: >> I am a novice >> >> I need a very simple plug and play solution >> Can anyone assist >> Thanks >> >> Bruce > > Hi Bruce, > > That's a terribly broad question and there's only one real sensible > response to the question.... details please? Plug and Play solution to > do what? Nevyn: the question appears in the subject line, not the email body "[AuckLUG] Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone" On the subject of syncing devices, I am able to script this, but my solution would be neither "simple" nor "plug and play", so I can only wish you luck :) ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:49:23 +1200 From: Nevyn Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Kennedy Skelton wrote: > 2008/9/11 Nevyn : >> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:52 PM, KECS wrote: >>> I am a novice >>> >>> I need a very simple plug and play solution >>> Can anyone assist >>> Thanks >>> >>> Bruce >> >> Hi Bruce, >> >> That's a terribly broad question and there's only one real sensible >> response to the question.... details please? Plug and Play solution to >> do what? > > Nevyn: the question appears in the subject line, not the email body > "[AuckLUG] Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 laptop > with my Motorola A1200 smart phone" > > On the subject of syncing devices, I am able to script this, but my > solution would be neither "simple" nor "plug and play", so I can only > wish you luck :) My bad.. I've always hated that approach. I find I seldom read the subject as it's quite often different from the content. I sort of take exception to the subject line here anyway... Linux 8.04?!?!? We're only up to 2.6 in stable and of course 2.7 in development. Ubuntu is Linux but Linux isn't Ubuntu. The suggestions I've seen have been to use this site: http://scheduleworld.com/ use J2MESync (good starting point for a google search) This page seems pretty good: http://wiki.kandalaya.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/MotorolaA1200 It describes doing various data communications between the phone and a debian machine and of course Ubuntu is based on Debian so there should be few differences. http://www.ohli.de/?J2MESync This page describes J2MESync and how to use it. J2MESync looks like a java applet which needs to be installed on the phone to enable it to sync via bluetooth. I'm assuming you'd need it even if you were going to use scheduleworld.com. This to me implies that you're not going to get a plug and play solution - in fact the site that describes J2MESync says that the user ends up having to click "yes" on his phone multiple times during a sync as he has to acknowledge every type of write access. I don't think scheduleworld is a must as this seems to be a way of avoiding having to set up the computer to do the bits needed. Evolution should be able to handle it fine. I hope this helps Bruce. Regards, Nevyn. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:39:50 +1200 From: Kent Wilkinson Subject: [AuckLUG] Shifting Ubuntu from a single disk to a 2 disk raid0 To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list Message-ID: <1221176391.12810.27.camel@cosmos> Content-Type: text/plain I have recently switched to Ubuntu from Gentoo (I have had a lot of trouble after updates this year with Gentoo, the last one broke portage!). I used to have my OS installed in several partitions on 2 160GB hard drives. A small raid1 boot partition and raid0 root and home partitions. I'm not worried about data redundancy for the OS as all my important data is stored an a large 4 disk raid5 array. During the install Ubuntu didn't give any option to install on a raid array (I'm still baffled by this), this included booting the live cd, installing mdadm and manually setting up the arrays. The installer still would not see the arrays. So I gave in and installed on one disk only, figuring that I could move the OS to a raid array later. So here's what I am thinking (I have never done this before so I need someone who has to tell me if this will work or not): 1) I boot from live CD 2) Tarball and gzip my existing install onto a portable drive 3) Install mdadm and setup the disks like so: 2x small boot partition as raid1 2x2GB swap partitions 2x16GB root partition as raid0 2x remainder as home partition as raid0 4) Set-up ext3 file systems on partitions and Mount file systems 5) extract old OS preserving permissions to new file systems 6) setup proc, and bind dev on the new file systems 7) chroot into the new system and reconfigure fstab and grub 8) reboot I have never used grub before (but it's about time I learnt). Here's my current setup: title Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.24-19-generic root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-19-generic root=UUID=749add6a-3136-4dca-ab7c-137f4d968a42 ro quiet splash initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-19-generic quiet For this to work I need to change root=UUID=bla bla to root=/dev/md1 My setup doesn't have a grub.conf at the moment, the above settings were from menu.lst, is this right? Do I need to recompile my kernel with raid support built-in or will this work fine if they are modules? Any help will be greatly appreciated :-) Thanks Kent ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 8 ************************************** From kent_wilkinson at slingshot.co.nz Fri Sep 12 17:22:06 2008 From: kent_wilkinson at slingshot.co.nz (Kent Wilkinson) Date: Fri Sep 12 17:22:14 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Shifting Ubuntu from a single disk to a 2 disk raid0 In-Reply-To: <87iqt28ah9.fsf@rimspace.net> References: <1221176391.12810.27.camel@cosmos> <87iqt28ah9.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: <1221196926.21446.0.camel@cosmos> Thanks Daniel On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 10:38 +1000, Daniel Pittman wrote: > Kent Wilkinson writes: > > > I have recently switched to Ubuntu from Gentoo (I have had a lot of > > trouble after updates this year with Gentoo, the last one broke > > portage!). I used to have my OS installed in several partitions on 2 > > 160GB hard drives. A small raid1 boot partition and raid0 root and > > home partitions. I'm not worried about data redundancy for the OS as > > all my important data is stored an a large 4 disk raid5 array. > > > > During the install Ubuntu didn't give any option to install on a raid > > array (I'm still baffled by this), > > The alternate CD installer includes this option, under manual > partitioning. I thought the GUI LiveCD installer did, also, but > presumably not. > > > this included booting the live cd, installing mdadm and manually > > setting up the arrays. The installer still would not see the > > arrays. So I gave in and installed on one disk only, figuring that I > > could move the OS to a raid array later. > > > > So here's what I am thinking (I have never done this before so I need > > someone who has to tell me if this will work or not): > > > > 1) I boot from live CD > > 2) Tarball and gzip my existing install onto a portable drive > > 3) Install mdadm and setup the disks like so: > > 2x small boot partition as raid1 > > 2x2GB swap partitions > > 2x16GB root partition as raid0 > > 2x remainder as home partition as raid0 > > 4) Set-up ext3 file systems on partitions and Mount file systems > > 5) extract old OS preserving permissions to new file systems > > That happens by default as root, so not much to worry about. > > > 6) setup proc, and bind dev on the new file systems > > 7) chroot into the new system and reconfigure fstab and grub > > 8) reboot > > Yeah, that works. I tend to use rsync, personally, where you are using > tar, because this usually involves hopping disks as well, but you have > the basic process down. > > > I have never used grub before (but it's about time I learnt). Here's my > > current setup: > > > > title Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.24-19-generic > > root (hd0,0) > > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-19-generic > > root=UUID=749add6a-3136-4dca-ab7c-137f4d968a42 ro quiet splash > > initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-19-generic > > quiet > > > > For this to work I need to change root=UUID=bla bla to root=/dev/md1 > > > > My setup doesn't have a grub.conf at the moment, the above settings were > > from menu.lst, is this right? > > menu.lst is the "old" name of grub.conf, in the sense that grub.conf was > introduced later (by distributions, IIRC) as making more sense. > > So, yes, either of those should be just fine. Also, keep in mind that > you can get a grub console where you can enter those kernel and initrd > lines, then 'boot', to manually boot if the menu isn't up to date. > > > Do I need to recompile my kernel with raid support built-in or will > > this work fine if they are modules? > > It should work fine with modules, since they should be installed into > the initrd for you automatically. You may want to check the > initramfs-tools configuration, though, to make certain they are. > > > Any help will be greatly appreciated :-) > > Keep a boot CD to hand so you can boot, assemble the array and chroot by > hand if something goes wrong, since that will let you recover from > pretty much anything. > > Otherwise you have the basics down fine. > > Regards, > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From kecs at slingshot.co.nz Fri Sep 12 20:22:41 2008 From: kecs at slingshot.co.nz (Dr. Bruce H Knox) Date: Fri Sep 12 20:22:55 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> Thankyou for the information and feedback I have hang in their and been successful for half the task I now can sync the phone contact list, sms details and dial through my laptop- this solution all came from KMobile Tools- I found it from a link you gave me thx But the calendar sync has stumped me I have had a play with the sites you sent me but could not make the connection work Appreciated Bruce On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 12:00 +1200, aucklug-request@linux.net.nz wrote: > Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to > aucklug@linux.net.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 laptop > with my Motorola A1200 smart phone (KECS) > 2. Re: Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 > laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone (Nevyn) > 3. Re: Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 > laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone (Kennedy Skelton) > 4. Re: Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 > laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone (Nevyn) > 5. Shifting Ubuntu from a single disk to a 2 disk raid0 > (Kent Wilkinson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:52:23 +1200 > From: "KECS" > Subject: [AuckLUG] Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux > 8.04 laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone > To: > Message-ID: <003701c913d2$9057c1a0$0202a8c0@brucek> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I am a novice > > I need a very simple plug and play solution > Can anyone assist > Thanks > > Bruce > > > Dr Bruce H Knox > Knox Educational Consulting Services 'Practical advice that works' > 26 Darcy Place > Waitakere 0614 > New Zealand > +64 9 8320989 (res) > +64 21 224 5669 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] On > Behalf Of aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > Sent: Tuesday, 8 July 2008 12:00 p.m. > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > Subject: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 38, Issue 3 > > Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to > aucklug@linux.net.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Open Moko Auckland buyers group (Glen Ogilvie) > 2. Re: Open Moko Auckland buyers group (Robin Paulson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:40:18 +1200 > From: Glen Ogilvie > Subject: [AuckLUG] Open Moko Auckland buyers group > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > Message-ID: <5202866acc9c0d2bccca76205f71cadd@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > Hi, > > The is a bunch of people in NZ getting together to put in a group order for > an Openmoko cell phone. > > The wiki link with more information about this is here: > http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Auckland > > We are looking for a few more keen buyers to get in contact with Paul > Sandkuijl, who is organizing a group order of these phones at a discounted > rate, from buying them individually. > > If your interested, then please have a look. > > You can find out more about Openmoko at www.openmoko.com and > www.openmoko.org. > > I for one, am keen to buy something like this, as it's a lot more open than > other phones on the market. > > Regards > Glen Ogilvie > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:17:31 +0100 > From: "Robin Paulson" > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Open Moko Auckland buyers group > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Message-ID: > <2f3aa2770807070817w44a7aedcg5518ce27d93f8117@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Thanks Glen for kicking this off. > In addition to what Glen said, here's a few more links and other > pieces of info on the Openmoko Freerunner: > > The phone was conceived as an open alternative to the current > situation where most mobile phones are locked-down by the operators; > as such it has documentation available for the majority of the > hardware, allowing open drivers to be developed (these are mostly done > already by openmoko, the company selling the phone). Development of > software by third-party developers is also encouraged, to the point of > a toolchain and supporting documentation being released, and there are > a number of projects underway already. > > The price is not fixed yet (depends on several things, including the > number of buyers and exchange rates), but will be in the NZ$550 area. > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_Overview > has all the details about the phone, it's hardware, software stack > and user software > > plus there are lots of sites on the web with more info, third-party > projects, reviews, etc. > > As Glen said, Paul Sandkuijl from Napier is organising the group buy; > so if any of you are interested, please contact him via: > paul@edictor.com > > or take a look at the trademe auction he is using to promote the group buys: > http://www.trademe.co.nz/Mobile-phones/Vodafone-network/Other/auction-164388 > 998.htm > > thanks > > rob > > 2008/7/7 Glen Ogilvie : > > > > Hi, > > > > The is a bunch of people in NZ getting together to put in a group order > for > > an Openmoko cell phone. > > > > The wiki link with more information about this is here: > > http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Auckland > > > > We are looking for a few more keen buyers to get in contact with Paul > > Sandkuijl, who is organizing a group order of these phones at a discounted > > rate, from buying them individually. > > > > If your interested, then please have a look. > > > > You can find out more about Openmoko at www.openmoko.com and > > www.openmoko.org. > > > > I for one, am keen to buy something like this, as it's a lot more open > than > > other phones on the market. > > > > Regards > > Glen Ogilvie > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 38, Issue 3 > ************************************** > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:52:51 +1200 > From: Nevyn > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux > 8.04 laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:52 PM, KECS wrote: > > I am a novice > > > > I need a very simple plug and play solution > > Can anyone assist > > Thanks > > > > Bruce > > Hi Bruce, > > That's a terribly broad question and there's only one real sensible > response to the question.... details please? Plug and Play solution to > do what? I often find that Linux is fantastic for doing very specific > things. E.g. had a friend who had a laptop which he only wanted to > surf the web, do a bit of word processing on, be able to watch movies > and listen to music. The laptop worked great and needed very little > maintenance (unfortunately, it eventually got a crack around the > monitor which got worse and worse) - we even used it to provide music > at his wedding. > > If you're wanting to do a bit of everything, you're probably in for an > incredibly steep learning curve. The more specific you are with your > questions, the more likely you are to get an answer that works for > you. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:42:03 +1200 > From: "Kennedy Skelton" > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux > 8.04 laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Message-ID: > <2494ad260809111442y6e525b66v4146f071378f04e2@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > 2008/9/11 Nevyn : > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:52 PM, KECS wrote: > >> I am a novice > >> > >> I need a very simple plug and play solution > >> Can anyone assist > >> Thanks > >> > >> Bruce > > > > Hi Bruce, > > > > That's a terribly broad question and there's only one real sensible > > response to the question.... details please? Plug and Play solution to > > do what? > > Nevyn: the question appears in the subject line, not the email body > "[AuckLUG] Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 laptop > with my Motorola A1200 smart phone" > > On the subject of syncing devices, I am able to script this, but my > solution would be neither "simple" nor "plug and play", so I can only > wish you luck :) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:49:23 +1200 > From: Nevyn > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux > 8.04 laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Kennedy Skelton wrote: > > 2008/9/11 Nevyn : > >> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:52 PM, KECS wrote: > >>> I am a novice > >>> > >>> I need a very simple plug and play solution > >>> Can anyone assist > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> Bruce > >> > >> Hi Bruce, > >> > >> That's a terribly broad question and there's only one real sensible > >> response to the question.... details please? Plug and Play solution to > >> do what? > > > > Nevyn: the question appears in the subject line, not the email body > > "[AuckLUG] Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 laptop > > with my Motorola A1200 smart phone" > > > > On the subject of syncing devices, I am able to script this, but my > > solution would be neither "simple" nor "plug and play", so I can only > > wish you luck :) > > My bad.. I've always hated that approach. I find I seldom read the > subject as it's quite often different from the content. I sort of take > exception to the subject line here anyway... Linux 8.04?!?!? We're > only up to 2.6 in stable and of course 2.7 in development. Ubuntu is > Linux but Linux isn't Ubuntu. > > The suggestions I've seen have been to use this site: http://scheduleworld.com/ > use J2MESync (good starting point for a google search) > > This page seems pretty good: > http://wiki.kandalaya.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/MotorolaA1200 > It describes doing various data communications between the phone and a > debian machine and of course Ubuntu is based on Debian so there should > be few differences. > > http://www.ohli.de/?J2MESync > This page describes J2MESync and how to use it. > > J2MESync looks like a java applet which needs to be installed on the > phone to enable it to sync via bluetooth. I'm assuming you'd need it > even if you were going to use scheduleworld.com. This to me implies > that you're not going to get a plug and play solution - in fact the > site that describes J2MESync says that the user ends up having to > click "yes" on his phone multiple times during a sync as he has to > acknowledge every type of write access. > > I don't think scheduleworld is a must as this seems to be a way of > avoiding having to set up the computer to do the bits needed. > Evolution should be able to handle it fine. > > I hope this helps Bruce. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:39:50 +1200 > From: Kent Wilkinson > Subject: [AuckLUG] Shifting Ubuntu from a single disk to a 2 disk > raid0 > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: <1221176391.12810.27.camel@cosmos> > Content-Type: text/plain > > I have recently switched to Ubuntu from Gentoo (I have had a lot of > trouble after updates this year with Gentoo, the last one broke > portage!). I used to have my OS installed in several partitions on 2 > 160GB hard drives. A small raid1 boot partition and raid0 root and home > partitions. I'm not worried about data redundancy for the OS as all my > important data is stored an a large 4 disk raid5 array. > > During the install Ubuntu didn't give any option to install on a raid > array (I'm still baffled by this), this included booting the live cd, > installing mdadm and manually setting up the arrays. The installer still > would not see the arrays. So I gave in and installed on one disk only, > figuring that I could move the OS to a raid array later. > > So here's what I am thinking (I have never done this before so I need > someone who has to tell me if this will work or not): > > 1) I boot from live CD > 2) Tarball and gzip my existing install onto a portable drive > 3) Install mdadm and setup the disks like so: > 2x small boot partition as raid1 > 2x2GB swap partitions > 2x16GB root partition as raid0 > 2x remainder as home partition as raid0 > 4) Set-up ext3 file systems on partitions and Mount file systems > 5) extract old OS preserving permissions to new file systems > 6) setup proc, and bind dev on the new file systems > 7) chroot into the new system and reconfigure fstab and grub > 8) reboot > > I have never used grub before (but it's about time I learnt). Here's my > current setup: > > title Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.24-19-generic > root (hd0,0) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-19-generic > root=UUID=749add6a-3136-4dca-ab7c-137f4d968a42 ro quiet splash > initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-19-generic > quiet > > For this to work I need to change root=UUID=bla bla to root=/dev/md1 > > My setup doesn't have a grub.conf at the moment, the above settings were > from menu.lst, is this right? > > Do I need to recompile my kernel with raid support built-in or will this > work fine if they are modules? > > Any help will be greatly appreciated :-) > > Thanks Kent > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 8 > ************************************** From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 23:05:36 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Sep 12 23:05:41 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> References: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Dr. Bruce H Knox wrote: > Thankyou for the information and feedback > I have hang in their and been successful for half the task > I now can sync the phone contact list, sms details and dial through my > laptop- this solution all came from KMobile Tools- I found it from a > link you gave me thx > > But the calendar sync has stumped me > I have had a play with the sites you sent me but could not make the > connection work > > Appreciated > Bruce Unfortunately, without actually having the hardware to play with, it'd be hard for me to come up with any answers other than to lead you websites which I found during a google searching session (I say session because I normally find myself opening 20 odd pages to get a quick gauge of how helpful they look and follow up on other information, in this case the J2ME thingee). Still, half the battle is won. Was it a struggle to get it to sync? What are you trying to sync the calender with? Chances are the procedure is the same for other mobile devices with whichever application you're using. I feel that this is quite often one of the major usability issues with Linux. Although Linux supports more hardware out of the box, it's often a challenge to get external devices - for which there's more and more of them out there, to sync to Linux as the tools are often built only for Windows / Outlook. When setting up a Linux computer, you're often just setting up the computer without the external devices. It can be a real hassle when you find out they've got a pda, a mp3 player, a cell phone etc. that they want to use without having told you when you were installing the system. Installing the system is often the easiest part. Getting it talking to everything usually takes 2 or 3 times longer. Regards, Nevyn. From kent_wilkinson at slingshot.co.nz Sat Sep 13 11:26:01 2008 From: kent_wilkinson at slingshot.co.nz (Kent Wilkinson) Date: Sat Sep 13 11:26:14 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: References: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> Message-ID: <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> After switching to Ubuntu 8.04 64bit from Gentoo, I have issues with freeview, I have had to disable the in loop filter when watching TV3 as the system could not keep up. When I was running Gentoo my Q6600 was running @ 2.4GHz and had no problems playing TV3 with the following command: mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts fast:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts tmp.ts is the TV3 stream being dumped to disk by another process. Now after switching to ubuntu and upgrading my heat sink and fan, my computer is running stable and 10 degrees cooler @ 3.0GHz and it can only just keep up with the in loop filter disabled. It cant keep up at all with default clock speed. Now using this command: mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts fast:skiploopfilter=nonref:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts If I look at the system monitor it appears that the work is being performed by only one core. I followed this howto to install svn mplayer http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=558538 Does anyone have any suggestions? Has Freeview changed the h264 stream to disable slicing? Any help is appreciated Regards Kent From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Sat Sep 13 11:34:19 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Sat Sep 13 11:34:31 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> References: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> Message-ID: <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> I hate to say this because I use (K)Ubuntu on my machine here, and for much the same reason that you switched, Gentoo was becoming too time consuming and updates continually broke the system, but I think you may be experiencing one of the down sides to using a binary edition of Linux like Ubuntu, compared to a "from source/scratch" system like Gentoo. I don't personally watch freeview through my PC so I'm not going to be much help here but my first move would probably be to remove the binary version of mplayer and compile it from source. Then if that didn't work I'd have to start looking at re-compiling codecs, video drivers etc etc. This obviously is working on the principal that mplayer in Ubuntu is most likely compiled into the binary with ALL available options and codecs applied, this may be what's having an effect or I could be completely off track. Sorry I can't be much more help than that without actually looking at it in person. :( Kind Regards Alex Williams CCNA Technical Director Symsys Ltd Kent Wilkinson wrote: > After switching to Ubuntu 8.04 64bit from Gentoo, I have issues with > freeview, I have had to disable the in loop filter when watching TV3 as > the system could not keep up. > > When I was running Gentoo my Q6600 was running @ 2.4GHz and had no > problems playing TV3 with the following command: > > mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts > fast:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts > > tmp.ts is the TV3 stream being dumped to disk by another process. > > > Now after switching to ubuntu and upgrading my heat sink and fan, my > computer is running stable and 10 degrees cooler @ 3.0GHz and it can > only just keep up with the in loop filter disabled. It cant keep up at > all with default clock speed. Now using this command: > > mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts > fast:skiploopfilter=nonref:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps > 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts > > If I look at the system monitor it appears that the work is being > performed by only one core. > > I followed this howto to install svn mplayer > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=558538 > > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > Has Freeview changed the h264 stream to disable slicing? > > Any help is appreciated > > Regards > > Kent > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > From kent_wilkinson at slingshot.co.nz Sat Sep 13 11:48:43 2008 From: kent_wilkinson at slingshot.co.nz (Kent Wilkinson) Date: Sat Sep 13 11:48:53 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> References: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> I didn't think Gentoo would be that much more efficient. I have installed the latest mplayer from source, but not all the libraries it depends on so maybe that will be the next step. Sounds painfull. I'm starting to miss portage. regards On Sat, 2008-09-13 at 11:34 +1200, Alex Williams wrote: > I hate to say this because I use (K)Ubuntu on my machine here, and for > much the same reason that you switched, Gentoo was becoming too time > consuming and updates continually broke the system, but I think you may > be experiencing one of the down sides to using a binary edition of Linux > like Ubuntu, compared to a "from source/scratch" system like Gentoo. > > I don't personally watch freeview through my PC so I'm not going to be > much help here but my first move would probably be to remove the binary > version of mplayer and compile it from source. Then if that didn't work > I'd have to start looking at re-compiling codecs, video drivers etc etc. > This obviously is working on the principal that mplayer in Ubuntu is > most likely compiled into the binary with ALL available options and > codecs applied, this may be what's having an effect or I could be > completely off track. > > Sorry I can't be much more help than that without actually looking at it > in person. :( > > Kind Regards > > Alex Williams CCNA > > Technical Director > Symsys Ltd > > > Kent Wilkinson wrote: > > After switching to Ubuntu 8.04 64bit from Gentoo, I have issues with > > freeview, I have had to disable the in loop filter when watching TV3 as > > the system could not keep up. > > > > When I was running Gentoo my Q6600 was running @ 2.4GHz and had no > > problems playing TV3 with the following command: > > > > mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts > > fast:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts > > > > tmp.ts is the TV3 stream being dumped to disk by another process. > > > > > > Now after switching to ubuntu and upgrading my heat sink and fan, my > > computer is running stable and 10 degrees cooler @ 3.0GHz and it can > > only just keep up with the in loop filter disabled. It cant keep up at > > all with default clock speed. Now using this command: > > > > mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts > > fast:skiploopfilter=nonref:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps > > 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts > > > > If I look at the system monitor it appears that the work is being > > performed by only one core. > > > > I followed this howto to install svn mplayer > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=558538 > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > Has Freeview changed the h264 stream to disable slicing? > > > > Any help is appreciated > > > > Regards > > > > Kent > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Sat Sep 13 11:56:56 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Sat Sep 13 11:57:06 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> References: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> Message-ID: <48CB01C8.1030001@symsys-it.co.nz> I agree completely. I got into the thinking that Gentoo couldn't be all that much more efficient on modern systems, I changed to Kubuntu because it was quick and easy, but I really miss portage when it comes to a piece of software I have to compile from source, setup links to libraries etc etc. Hopefully someone else on the list has been through a similar situation or has similar requirements and can help you a bit more than I can. Good luck Kind Regards Alex Williams CCNA Technical Director Symsys Ltd Kent Wilkinson wrote: > I didn't think Gentoo would be that much more efficient. I have > installed the latest mplayer from source, but not all the libraries it > depends on so maybe that will be the next step. Sounds painfull. I'm > starting to miss portage. > > regards > > On Sat, 2008-09-13 at 11:34 +1200, Alex Williams wrote: >> I hate to say this because I use (K)Ubuntu on my machine here, and for >> much the same reason that you switched, Gentoo was becoming too time >> consuming and updates continually broke the system, but I think you may >> be experiencing one of the down sides to using a binary edition of Linux >> like Ubuntu, compared to a "from source/scratch" system like Gentoo. >> >> I don't personally watch freeview through my PC so I'm not going to be >> much help here but my first move would probably be to remove the binary >> version of mplayer and compile it from source. Then if that didn't work >> I'd have to start looking at re-compiling codecs, video drivers etc etc. >> This obviously is working on the principal that mplayer in Ubuntu is >> most likely compiled into the binary with ALL available options and >> codecs applied, this may be what's having an effect or I could be >> completely off track. >> >> Sorry I can't be much more help than that without actually looking at it >> in person. :( >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Alex Williams CCNA >> >> Technical Director >> Symsys Ltd >> >> >> Kent Wilkinson wrote: >>> After switching to Ubuntu 8.04 64bit from Gentoo, I have issues with >>> freeview, I have had to disable the in loop filter when watching TV3 as >>> the system could not keep up. >>> >>> When I was running Gentoo my Q6600 was running @ 2.4GHz and had no >>> problems playing TV3 with the following command: >>> >>> mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts >>> fast:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts >>> >>> tmp.ts is the TV3 stream being dumped to disk by another process. >>> >>> >>> Now after switching to ubuntu and upgrading my heat sink and fan, my >>> computer is running stable and 10 degrees cooler @ 3.0GHz and it can >>> only just keep up with the in loop filter disabled. It cant keep up at >>> all with default clock speed. Now using this command: >>> >>> mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts >>> fast:skiploopfilter=nonref:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps >>> 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts >>> >>> If I look at the system monitor it appears that the work is being >>> performed by only one core. >>> >>> I followed this howto to install svn mplayer >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=558538 >>> >>> >>> Does anyone have any suggestions? >>> Has Freeview changed the h264 stream to disable slicing? >>> >>> Any help is appreciated >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Kent >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > From kiirani at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 12:06:54 2008 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Sat Sep 13 12:07:05 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: <48CB01C8.1030001@symsys-it.co.nz> References: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> <48CB01C8.1030001@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <2494ad260809121706v6f7219c8h892e38b5f31536c6@mail.gmail.com> Okay guys, on the subject of distributions, can I just say that moving *from* gentoo *to* ubuntu being the most backwards thing I've ever heard of. If your issue is with compilation and updates breaking in gentoo, I'd like to suggest archlinux. It's not as "user friendly' as ubuntu, and also has ABS, which may not be as good as portage for compiling, but is certainly a start. Obviously if you really want a system that's "easy", go with ubuntu, but you are going to have problems when you want to compile/configure things manually :/ 2008/9/13 Alex Williams : > I agree completely. I got into the thinking that Gentoo couldn't be all that > much more efficient on modern systems, I changed to Kubuntu because it was > quick and easy, but I really miss portage when it comes to a piece of > software I have to compile from source, setup links to libraries etc etc. > > Hopefully someone else on the list has been through a similar situation or > has similar requirements and can help you a bit more than I can. > > Good luck > > Kind Regards > > Alex Williams CCNA > > Technical Director > Symsys Ltd > > > Kent Wilkinson wrote: >> >> I didn't think Gentoo would be that much more efficient. I have >> installed the latest mplayer from source, but not all the libraries it >> depends on so maybe that will be the next step. Sounds painfull. I'm >> starting to miss portage. >> >> regards >> On Sat, 2008-09-13 at 11:34 +1200, Alex Williams wrote: >>> >>> I hate to say this because I use (K)Ubuntu on my machine here, and for >>> much the same reason that you switched, Gentoo was becoming too time >>> consuming and updates continually broke the system, but I think you may be >>> experiencing one of the down sides to using a binary edition of Linux like >>> Ubuntu, compared to a "from source/scratch" system like Gentoo. >>> >>> I don't personally watch freeview through my PC so I'm not going to be >>> much help here but my first move would probably be to remove the binary >>> version of mplayer and compile it from source. Then if that didn't work I'd >>> have to start looking at re-compiling codecs, video drivers etc etc. This >>> obviously is working on the principal that mplayer in Ubuntu is most likely >>> compiled into the binary with ALL available options and codecs applied, this >>> may be what's having an effect or I could be completely off track. >>> >>> Sorry I can't be much more help than that without actually looking at it >>> in person. :( >>> >>> Kind Regards >>> >>> Alex Williams CCNA >>> >>> Technical Director >>> Symsys Ltd >>> >>> >>> Kent Wilkinson wrote: >>>> >>>> After switching to Ubuntu 8.04 64bit from Gentoo, I have issues with >>>> freeview, I have had to disable the in loop filter when watching TV3 as >>>> the system could not keep up. >>>> >>>> When I was running Gentoo my Q6600 was running @ 2.4GHz and had no >>>> problems playing TV3 with the following command: >>>> >>>> mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts >>>> fast:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts >>>> >>>> tmp.ts is the TV3 stream being dumped to disk by another process. >>>> >>>> >>>> Now after switching to ubuntu and upgrading my heat sink and fan, my >>>> computer is running stable and 10 degrees cooler @ 3.0GHz and it can >>>> only just keep up with the in loop filter disabled. It cant keep up at >>>> all with default clock speed. Now using this command: >>>> >>>> mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts >>>> fast:skiploopfilter=nonref:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps >>>> 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts >>>> >>>> If I look at the system monitor it appears that the work is being >>>> performed by only one core. >>>> I followed this howto to install svn mplayer >>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=558538 >>>> >>>> >>>> Does anyone have any suggestions? Has Freeview changed the h264 stream >>>> to disable slicing? >>>> >>>> Any help is appreciated >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Kent >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AuckLUG mailing list >>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From kiirani at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 12:08:52 2008 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Sat Sep 13 12:08:57 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: <2494ad260809121706v6f7219c8h892e38b5f31536c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> <48CB01C8.1030001@symsys-it.co.nz> <2494ad260809121706v6f7219c8h892e38b5f31536c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2494ad260809121708x86f40e1k71b0b798dbac5ea1@mail.gmail.com> (Apologies for typos, I didn't proofread before I sent. ) 2008/9/13 Kennedy Skelton : > Okay guys, on the subject of distributions, can I just say that moving > *from* gentoo *to* ubuntu being the most backwards thing I've ever > heard of. > > If your issue is with compilation and updates breaking in gentoo, I'd > like to suggest archlinux. It's not as "user friendly' as ubuntu, and > also has ABS, which may not be as good as portage for compiling, but > is certainly a start. > > Obviously if you really want a system that's "easy", go with ubuntu, > but you are going to have problems when you want to compile/configure > things manually :/ > > > 2008/9/13 Alex Williams : >> I agree completely. I got into the thinking that Gentoo couldn't be all that >> much more efficient on modern systems, I changed to Kubuntu because it was >> quick and easy, but I really miss portage when it comes to a piece of >> software I have to compile from source, setup links to libraries etc etc. >> >> Hopefully someone else on the list has been through a similar situation or >> has similar requirements and can help you a bit more than I can. >> >> Good luck >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Alex Williams CCNA >> >> Technical Director >> Symsys Ltd >> >> >> Kent Wilkinson wrote: >>> >>> I didn't think Gentoo would be that much more efficient. I have >>> installed the latest mplayer from source, but not all the libraries it >>> depends on so maybe that will be the next step. Sounds painfull. I'm >>> starting to miss portage. >>> >>> regards >>> On Sat, 2008-09-13 at 11:34 +1200, Alex Williams wrote: >>>> >>>> I hate to say this because I use (K)Ubuntu on my machine here, and for >>>> much the same reason that you switched, Gentoo was becoming too time >>>> consuming and updates continually broke the system, but I think you may be >>>> experiencing one of the down sides to using a binary edition of Linux like >>>> Ubuntu, compared to a "from source/scratch" system like Gentoo. >>>> >>>> I don't personally watch freeview through my PC so I'm not going to be >>>> much help here but my first move would probably be to remove the binary >>>> version of mplayer and compile it from source. Then if that didn't work I'd >>>> have to start looking at re-compiling codecs, video drivers etc etc. This >>>> obviously is working on the principal that mplayer in Ubuntu is most likely >>>> compiled into the binary with ALL available options and codecs applied, this >>>> may be what's having an effect or I could be completely off track. >>>> >>>> Sorry I can't be much more help than that without actually looking at it >>>> in person. :( >>>> >>>> Kind Regards >>>> >>>> Alex Williams CCNA >>>> >>>> Technical Director >>>> Symsys Ltd >>>> >>>> >>>> Kent Wilkinson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> After switching to Ubuntu 8.04 64bit from Gentoo, I have issues with >>>>> freeview, I have had to disable the in loop filter when watching TV3 as >>>>> the system could not keep up. >>>>> >>>>> When I was running Gentoo my Q6600 was running @ 2.4GHz and had no >>>>> problems playing TV3 with the following command: >>>>> >>>>> mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts >>>>> fast:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts >>>>> >>>>> tmp.ts is the TV3 stream being dumped to disk by another process. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Now after switching to ubuntu and upgrading my heat sink and fan, my >>>>> computer is running stable and 10 degrees cooler @ 3.0GHz and it can >>>>> only just keep up with the in loop filter disabled. It cant keep up at >>>>> all with default clock speed. Now using this command: >>>>> >>>>> mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts >>>>> fast:skiploopfilter=nonref:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps >>>>> 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts >>>>> >>>>> If I look at the system monitor it appears that the work is being >>>>> performed by only one core. >>>>> I followed this howto to install svn mplayer >>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=558538 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions? Has Freeview changed the h264 stream >>>>> to disable slicing? >>>>> >>>>> Any help is appreciated >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Kent >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AuckLUG mailing list >>>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AuckLUG mailing list >>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > From peddy22 at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 12:16:02 2008 From: peddy22 at gmail.com (Peddy) Date: Sat Sep 13 12:16:10 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re:Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone (Peddy) Message-ID: Dr. Bruce H Knox, Have you tried Wammu? It supports Calendar syncing (although I'm not sure if it'll work with your phone). It's in the Ubuntu repos, so 'apt-get install wammu' would do. Cheers Peddy From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Sat Sep 13 12:16:23 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Sat Sep 13 12:16:31 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: <2494ad260809121708x86f40e1k71b0b798dbac5ea1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> <48CB01C8.1030001@symsys-it.co.nz> <2494ad260809121706v6f7219c8h892e38b5f31536c6@mail.gmail.com> <2494ad260809121708x86f40e1k71b0b798dbac5ea1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CB0657.1080805@symsys-it.co.nz> I don't particularly have problems compiling things from source, it's just not as straight forward as it is with portage. I use Kubuntu because it's extremely quick and easy for me as a production desktop, I still use Gentoo for servers and I play around with other distros in Virtual Machines all the time, not to mention the fact that I use other distros for customers all the time as well. I haven't tried Arch yet and I've been meaning to for a long time, I think tomorrows project might be to build an Arch desktop in a VM. Unfortunately I just don't have time to maintain either Gentoo or Arch as a production desktop, it just isn't feasible in terms of time. Kind Regards Alex Williams CCNA Technical Director Symsys Ltd Kennedy Skelton wrote: > (Apologies for typos, I didn't proofread before I sent. ) > > 2008/9/13 Kennedy Skelton : >> Okay guys, on the subject of distributions, can I just say that moving >> *from* gentoo *to* ubuntu being the most backwards thing I've ever >> heard of. >> >> If your issue is with compilation and updates breaking in gentoo, I'd >> like to suggest archlinux. It's not as "user friendly' as ubuntu, and >> also has ABS, which may not be as good as portage for compiling, but >> is certainly a start. >> >> Obviously if you really want a system that's "easy", go with ubuntu, >> but you are going to have problems when you want to compile/configure >> things manually :/ >> >> >> 2008/9/13 Alex Williams : >>> I agree completely. I got into the thinking that Gentoo couldn't be all that >>> much more efficient on modern systems, I changed to Kubuntu because it was >>> quick and easy, but I really miss portage when it comes to a piece of >>> software I have to compile from source, setup links to libraries etc etc. >>> >>> Hopefully someone else on the list has been through a similar situation or >>> has similar requirements and can help you a bit more than I can. >>> >>> Good luck >>> >>> Kind Regards >>> >>> Alex Williams CCNA >>> >>> Technical Director >>> Symsys Ltd >>> >>> >>> Kent Wilkinson wrote: >>>> I didn't think Gentoo would be that much more efficient. I have >>>> installed the latest mplayer from source, but not all the libraries it >>>> depends on so maybe that will be the next step. Sounds painfull. I'm >>>> starting to miss portage. >>>> >>>> regards >>>> On Sat, 2008-09-13 at 11:34 +1200, Alex Williams wrote: >>>>> I hate to say this because I use (K)Ubuntu on my machine here, and for >>>>> much the same reason that you switched, Gentoo was becoming too time >>>>> consuming and updates continually broke the system, but I think you may be >>>>> experiencing one of the down sides to using a binary edition of Linux like >>>>> Ubuntu, compared to a "from source/scratch" system like Gentoo. >>>>> >>>>> I don't personally watch freeview through my PC so I'm not going to be >>>>> much help here but my first move would probably be to remove the binary >>>>> version of mplayer and compile it from source. Then if that didn't work I'd >>>>> have to start looking at re-compiling codecs, video drivers etc etc. This >>>>> obviously is working on the principal that mplayer in Ubuntu is most likely >>>>> compiled into the binary with ALL available options and codecs applied, this >>>>> may be what's having an effect or I could be completely off track. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry I can't be much more help than that without actually looking at it >>>>> in person. :( >>>>> >>>>> Kind Regards >>>>> >>>>> Alex Williams CCNA >>>>> >>>>> Technical Director >>>>> Symsys Ltd >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kent Wilkinson wrote: >>>>>> After switching to Ubuntu 8.04 64bit from Gentoo, I have issues with >>>>>> freeview, I have had to disable the in loop filter when watching TV3 as >>>>>> the system could not keep up. >>>>>> >>>>>> When I was running Gentoo my Q6600 was running @ 2.4GHz and had no >>>>>> problems playing TV3 with the following command: >>>>>> >>>>>> mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts >>>>>> fast:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts >>>>>> >>>>>> tmp.ts is the TV3 stream being dumped to disk by another process. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Now after switching to ubuntu and upgrading my heat sink and fan, my >>>>>> computer is running stable and 10 degrees cooler @ 3.0GHz and it can >>>>>> only just keep up with the in loop filter disabled. It cant keep up at >>>>>> all with default clock speed. Now using this command: >>>>>> >>>>>> mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts >>>>>> fast:skiploopfilter=nonref:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps >>>>>> 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts >>>>>> >>>>>> If I look at the system monitor it appears that the work is being >>>>>> performed by only one core. >>>>>> I followed this howto to install svn mplayer >>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=558538 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions? Has Freeview changed the h264 stream >>>>>> to disable slicing? >>>>>> >>>>>> Any help is appreciated >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Kent >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AuckLUG mailing list >>>>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>>>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AuckLUG mailing list >>>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AuckLUG mailing list >>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > From kent_wilkinson at slingshot.co.nz Sat Sep 13 12:28:25 2008 From: kent_wilkinson at slingshot.co.nz (Kent Wilkinson) Date: Sat Sep 13 12:28:32 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: <2494ad260809121708x86f40e1k71b0b798dbac5ea1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> <48CB01C8.1030001@symsys-it.co.nz> <2494ad260809121706v6f7219c8h892e38b5f31536c6@mail.gmail.com> <2494ad260809121708x86f40e1k71b0b798dbac5ea1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1221265705.26299.29.camel@cosmos> I'm downloading arch now, I will give it ago, it looks interesting. Still it is not a major, as freeview is watchable and I can't tell the difference to having the in loop filter enabled. cheers On Sat, 2008-09-13 at 12:08 +1200, Kennedy Skelton wrote: > (Apologies for typos, I didn't proofread before I sent. ) > > 2008/9/13 Kennedy Skelton : > > Okay guys, on the subject of distributions, can I just say that moving > > *from* gentoo *to* ubuntu being the most backwards thing I've ever > > heard of. > > > > If your issue is with compilation and updates breaking in gentoo, I'd > > like to suggest archlinux. It's not as "user friendly' as ubuntu, and > > also has ABS, which may not be as good as portage for compiling, but > > is certainly a start. > > > > Obviously if you really want a system that's "easy", go with ubuntu, > > but you are going to have problems when you want to compile/configure > > things manually :/ > > > > > > 2008/9/13 Alex Williams : > >> I agree completely. I got into the thinking that Gentoo couldn't be all that > >> much more efficient on modern systems, I changed to Kubuntu because it was > >> quick and easy, but I really miss portage when it comes to a piece of > >> software I have to compile from source, setup links to libraries etc etc. > >> > >> Hopefully someone else on the list has been through a similar situation or > >> has similar requirements and can help you a bit more than I can. > >> > >> Good luck > >> > >> Kind Regards > >> > >> Alex Williams CCNA > >> > >> Technical Director > >> Symsys Ltd > >> > >> > >> Kent Wilkinson wrote: > >>> > >>> I didn't think Gentoo would be that much more efficient. I have > >>> installed the latest mplayer from source, but not all the libraries it > >>> depends on so maybe that will be the next step. Sounds painfull. I'm > >>> starting to miss portage. > >>> > >>> regards > >>> On Sat, 2008-09-13 at 11:34 +1200, Alex Williams wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I hate to say this because I use (K)Ubuntu on my machine here, and for > >>>> much the same reason that you switched, Gentoo was becoming too time > >>>> consuming and updates continually broke the system, but I think you may be > >>>> experiencing one of the down sides to using a binary edition of Linux like > >>>> Ubuntu, compared to a "from source/scratch" system like Gentoo. > >>>> > >>>> I don't personally watch freeview through my PC so I'm not going to be > >>>> much help here but my first move would probably be to remove the binary > >>>> version of mplayer and compile it from source. Then if that didn't work I'd > >>>> have to start looking at re-compiling codecs, video drivers etc etc. This > >>>> obviously is working on the principal that mplayer in Ubuntu is most likely > >>>> compiled into the binary with ALL available options and codecs applied, this > >>>> may be what's having an effect or I could be completely off track. > >>>> > >>>> Sorry I can't be much more help than that without actually looking at it > >>>> in person. :( > >>>> > >>>> Kind Regards > >>>> > >>>> Alex Williams CCNA > >>>> > >>>> Technical Director > >>>> Symsys Ltd > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Kent Wilkinson wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> After switching to Ubuntu 8.04 64bit from Gentoo, I have issues with > >>>>> freeview, I have had to disable the in loop filter when watching TV3 as > >>>>> the system could not keep up. > >>>>> > >>>>> When I was running Gentoo my Q6600 was running @ 2.4GHz and had no > >>>>> problems playing TV3 with the following command: > >>>>> > >>>>> mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts > >>>>> fast:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts > >>>>> > >>>>> tmp.ts is the TV3 stream being dumped to disk by another process. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Now after switching to ubuntu and upgrading my heat sink and fan, my > >>>>> computer is running stable and 10 degrees cooler @ 3.0GHz and it can > >>>>> only just keep up with the in loop filter disabled. It cant keep up at > >>>>> all with default clock speed. Now using this command: > >>>>> > >>>>> mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts > >>>>> fast:skiploopfilter=nonref:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps > >>>>> 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts > >>>>> > >>>>> If I look at the system monitor it appears that the work is being > >>>>> performed by only one core. > >>>>> I followed this howto to install svn mplayer > >>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=558538 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions? Has Freeview changed the h264 stream > >>>>> to disable slicing? > >>>>> > >>>>> Any help is appreciated > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards > >>>>> Kent > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> AuckLUG mailing list > >>>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > >>>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> AuckLUG mailing list > >>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > >>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> AuckLUG mailing list > >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AuckLUG mailing list > >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From peddy22 at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 12:29:47 2008 From: peddy22 at gmail.com (Peddy) Date: Sat Sep 13 12:29:52 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Please could someone assist me to sync my Linux 8.04 laptop with my Motorola A1200 smart phone (Peddy) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry to double post. I just found this open source device management software http://www.funambol.com/ quote/ The Funambol Mobile Backup & PIM Sync solution supports the synchronization of contacts, *calendars*, tasks, notes and other data with the widest range of mobile devices on the planet, including: - SyncML-enabled phones, including many models from Nokia, *Motorola*, Sony Ericcson, Samsung and others. /quote And it supports your device (go to the compatibility list ;)) Good luck :) From robin.paulson at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 12:34:41 2008 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Sat Sep 13 12:34:50 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> References: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770809121734s2fe8c7c2w6ee0fd7741e69389@mail.gmail.com> > On Sat, 2008-09-13 at 11:34 +1200, Alex Williams wrote: >> I don't personally watch freeview through my PC so I'm not going to be >> much help here but my first move would probably be to remove the binary >> version of mplayer and compile it from source. Then if that didn't work >> I'd have to start looking at re-compiling codecs, video drivers etc etc. >> This obviously is working on the principal that mplayer in Ubuntu is >> most likely compiled into the binary with ALL available options and >> codecs applied, this may be what's having an effect or I could be >> completely off track. on the subject of codecs etc compiled in, the version of mplayer in ubuntu by default does not have some codecs included. try the medibuntu version, it has support for far more than the stock binary http://www.medibuntu.org/ From kiirani at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 12:36:13 2008 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Sat Sep 13 12:36:22 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: <1221265705.26299.29.camel@cosmos> References: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> <48CB01C8.1030001@symsys-it.co.nz> <2494ad260809121706v6f7219c8h892e38b5f31536c6@mail.gmail.com> <2494ad260809121708x86f40e1k71b0b798dbac5ea1@mail.gmail.com> <1221265705.26299.29.camel@cosmos> Message-ID: <2494ad260809121736t6cc56a69u6ebdce83b4d6142@mail.gmail.com> For me as a longtime gentoo user, arch is a happy medium. It's simple, configurable, binary based, and has ABS. Of course if you are pressed for time on maintaining the system and don't feel the constant need to tweak it to your specifications, ubuntu is good too. Arch takes about the same amount of configuring as gentoo for me. I must apologise for turning this into a distribution discussion though :) 2008/9/13 Kent Wilkinson : > I'm downloading arch now, I will give it ago, it looks interesting. > Still it is not a major, as freeview is watchable and I can't tell the > difference to having the in loop filter enabled. > > cheers > > On Sat, 2008-09-13 at 12:08 +1200, Kennedy Skelton wrote: >> (Apologies for typos, I didn't proofread before I sent. ) >> >> 2008/9/13 Kennedy Skelton : >> > Okay guys, on the subject of distributions, can I just say that moving >> > *from* gentoo *to* ubuntu being the most backwards thing I've ever >> > heard of. >> > >> > If your issue is with compilation and updates breaking in gentoo, I'd >> > like to suggest archlinux. It's not as "user friendly' as ubuntu, and >> > also has ABS, which may not be as good as portage for compiling, but >> > is certainly a start. >> > >> > Obviously if you really want a system that's "easy", go with ubuntu, >> > but you are going to have problems when you want to compile/configure >> > things manually :/ >> > >> > >> > 2008/9/13 Alex Williams : >> >> I agree completely. I got into the thinking that Gentoo couldn't be all that >> >> much more efficient on modern systems, I changed to Kubuntu because it was >> >> quick and easy, but I really miss portage when it comes to a piece of >> >> software I have to compile from source, setup links to libraries etc etc. >> >> >> >> Hopefully someone else on the list has been through a similar situation or >> >> has similar requirements and can help you a bit more than I can. >> >> >> >> Good luck >> >> >> >> Kind Regards >> >> >> >> Alex Williams CCNA >> >> >> >> Technical Director >> >> Symsys Ltd >> >> >> >> >> >> Kent Wilkinson wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I didn't think Gentoo would be that much more efficient. I have >> >>> installed the latest mplayer from source, but not all the libraries it >> >>> depends on so maybe that will be the next step. Sounds painfull. I'm >> >>> starting to miss portage. >> >>> >> >>> regards >> >>> On Sat, 2008-09-13 at 11:34 +1200, Alex Williams wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> I hate to say this because I use (K)Ubuntu on my machine here, and for >> >>>> much the same reason that you switched, Gentoo was becoming too time >> >>>> consuming and updates continually broke the system, but I think you may be >> >>>> experiencing one of the down sides to using a binary edition of Linux like >> >>>> Ubuntu, compared to a "from source/scratch" system like Gentoo. >> >>>> >> >>>> I don't personally watch freeview through my PC so I'm not going to be >> >>>> much help here but my first move would probably be to remove the binary >> >>>> version of mplayer and compile it from source. Then if that didn't work I'd >> >>>> have to start looking at re-compiling codecs, video drivers etc etc. This >> >>>> obviously is working on the principal that mplayer in Ubuntu is most likely >> >>>> compiled into the binary with ALL available options and codecs applied, this >> >>>> may be what's having an effect or I could be completely off track. >> >>>> >> >>>> Sorry I can't be much more help than that without actually looking at it >> >>>> in person. :( >> >>>> >> >>>> Kind Regards >> >>>> >> >>>> Alex Williams CCNA >> >>>> >> >>>> Technical Director >> >>>> Symsys Ltd >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Kent Wilkinson wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> After switching to Ubuntu 8.04 64bit from Gentoo, I have issues with >> >>>>> freeview, I have had to disable the in loop filter when watching TV3 as >> >>>>> the system could not keep up. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> When I was running Gentoo my Q6600 was running @ 2.4GHz and had no >> >>>>> problems playing TV3 with the following command: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts >> >>>>> fast:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts >> >>>>> >> >>>>> tmp.ts is the TV3 stream being dumped to disk by another process. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Now after switching to ubuntu and upgrading my heat sink and fan, my >> >>>>> computer is running stable and 10 degrees cooler @ 3.0GHz and it can >> >>>>> only just keep up with the in loop filter disabled. It cant keep up at >> >>>>> all with default clock speed. Now using this command: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts >> >>>>> fast:skiploopfilter=nonref:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps >> >>>>> 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts >> >>>>> >> >>>>> If I look at the system monitor it appears that the work is being >> >>>>> performed by only one core. >> >>>>> I followed this howto to install svn mplayer >> >>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=558538 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions? Has Freeview changed the h264 stream >> >>>>> to disable slicing? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Any help is appreciated >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Regards >> >>>>> Kent >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> AuckLUG mailing list >> >>>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> >>>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> AuckLUG mailing list >> >>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> >>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> AuckLUG mailing list >> >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> AuckLUG mailing list >> >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz Sat Sep 13 12:39:31 2008 From: Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz (Chilling_Silence) Date: Sat Sep 13 12:39:38 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: <2494ad260809121706v6f7219c8h892e38b5f31536c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> <48CB01C8.1030001@symsys-it.co.nz> <2494ad260809121706v6f7219c8h892e38b5f31536c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2987f0d40809121739m22c97597o83b9879287733c1a@mail.gmail.com> Unfortunately I did that too.. after a stint of using love-sources and upgrading my kernel every other day (It was fun at the time), breaking it constantly just to learn... Now I dont even do updates on Ubuntu, so I doubt it would matter what I was using. I think you've just inspired me to re-install Gentoo, now I have something slightly faster than a 1.7Ghz Athlon x64 ;) On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Kennedy Skelton wrote: > Okay guys, on the subject of distributions, can I just say that moving > *from* gentoo *to* ubuntu being the most backwards thing I've ever > heard of. > > From daniel at rimspace.net Sat Sep 13 13:10:03 2008 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Sat Sep 13 13:10:15 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> (Kent Wilkinson's message of "Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:48:43 +1200") References: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> Message-ID: <87abeclul0.fsf@rimspace.net> Kent Wilkinson writes: > On Sat, 2008-09-13 at 11:34 +1200, Alex Williams wrote: >> I hate to say this because I use (K)Ubuntu on my machine here, and for >> much the same reason that you switched, Gentoo was becoming too time >> consuming and updates continually broke the system, but I think you may >> be experiencing one of the down sides to using a binary edition of Linux >> like Ubuntu, compared to a "from source/scratch" system like Gentoo. >> >> I don't personally watch freeview through my PC so I'm not going to be >> much help here but my first move would probably be to remove the binary >> version of mplayer and compile it from source. Then if that didn't work >> I'd have to start looking at re-compiling codecs, video drivers etc etc. >> This obviously is working on the principal that mplayer in Ubuntu is >> most likely compiled into the binary with ALL available options and >> codecs applied, this may be what's having an effect or I could be >> completely off track. >> >> Sorry I can't be much more help than that without actually looking at it >> in person. :( >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Alex Williams CCNA >> >> Technical Director >> Symsys Ltd >> >> >> Kent Wilkinson wrote: >> > After switching to Ubuntu 8.04 64bit from Gentoo, I have issues with >> > freeview, I have had to disable the in loop filter when watching TV3 as >> > the system could not keep up. >> > >> > When I was running Gentoo my Q6600 was running @ 2.4GHz and had no >> > problems playing TV3 with the following command: >> > >> > mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts >> > fast:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts >> > >> > tmp.ts is the TV3 stream being dumped to disk by another process. >> > >> > >> > Now after switching to ubuntu and upgrading my heat sink and fan, my >> > computer is running stable and 10 degrees cooler @ 3.0GHz and it can >> > only just keep up with the in loop filter disabled. It cant keep up at >> > all with default clock speed. Now using this command: >> > >> > mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts >> > fast:skiploopfilter=nonref:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps >> > 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts >> > >> > If I look at the system monitor it appears that the work is being >> > performed by only one core. >> > > > I didn't think Gentoo would be that much more efficient. It isn't. The performance differences from compilation options, etc, are almost never going to be more than one or two percent -- and anything above one is rare. > I have installed the latest mplayer from source, but not all the > libraries it depends on so maybe that will be the next step. Sounds > painfull. I'm starting to miss portage. Given that the work is being done by one core, and one core only, the most likely candidate is that one of mplayer or the ffmpeg libraries is not configured with thread support. The stock ffmpeg libraries supplied with Ubuntu are configured with pthreads enabled, so my guess would be that you missed some appropriate option when configuring mplayer. In any case: compiler options and the like are *not* going to cause only one core to be used. (Gentoo might well be easier to ensure that you have the right flags set /if/ the distribution gets them wrong, though.) Regards, Daniel From nevynh at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 16:53:59 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sat Sep 13 16:54:04 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: <87abeclul0.fsf@rimspace.net> References: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> <87abeclul0.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Daniel Pittman wrote: > Kent Wilkinson writes: > >> On Sat, 2008-09-13 at 11:34 +1200, Alex Williams wrote: >>> I hate to say this because I use (K)Ubuntu on my machine here, and for >>> much the same reason that you switched, Gentoo was becoming too time >>> consuming and updates continually broke the system, but I think you may >>> be experiencing one of the down sides to using a binary edition of Linux >>> like Ubuntu, compared to a "from source/scratch" system like Gentoo. >>> >>> I don't personally watch freeview through my PC so I'm not going to be >>> much help here but my first move would probably be to remove the binary >>> version of mplayer and compile it from source. Then if that didn't work >>> I'd have to start looking at re-compiling codecs, video drivers etc etc. >>> This obviously is working on the principal that mplayer in Ubuntu is >>> most likely compiled into the binary with ALL available options and >>> codecs applied, this may be what's having an effect or I could be >>> completely off track. >>> >>> Sorry I can't be much more help than that without actually looking at it >>> in person. :( >>> >>> Kind Regards >>> >>> Alex Williams CCNA >>> >>> Technical Director >>> Symsys Ltd >>> >>> >>> Kent Wilkinson wrote: >>> > After switching to Ubuntu 8.04 64bit from Gentoo, I have issues with >>> > freeview, I have had to disable the in loop filter when watching TV3 as >>> > the system could not keep up. >>> > >>> > When I was running Gentoo my Q6600 was running @ 2.4GHz and had no >>> > problems playing TV3 with the following command: >>> > >>> > mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts >>> > fast:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts >>> > >>> > tmp.ts is the TV3 stream being dumped to disk by another process. >>> > >>> > >>> > Now after switching to ubuntu and upgrading my heat sink and fan, my >>> > computer is running stable and 10 degrees cooler @ 3.0GHz and it can >>> > only just keep up with the in loop filter disabled. It cant keep up at >>> > all with default clock speed. Now using this command: >>> > >>> > mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts >>> > fast:skiploopfilter=nonref:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps >>> > 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts >>> > >>> > If I look at the system monitor it appears that the work is being >>> > performed by only one core. >>> > >> >> I didn't think Gentoo would be that much more efficient. > > It isn't. The performance differences from compilation options, etc, > are almost never going to be more than one or two percent -- and > anything above one is rare. > >> I have installed the latest mplayer from source, but not all the >> libraries it depends on so maybe that will be the next step. Sounds >> painfull. I'm starting to miss portage. > > Given that the work is being done by one core, and one core only, the > most likely candidate is that one of mplayer or the ffmpeg libraries is > not configured with thread support. > > The stock ffmpeg libraries supplied with Ubuntu are configured with > pthreads enabled, so my guess would be that you missed some appropriate > option when configuring mplayer. > > In any case: compiler options and the like are *not* going to cause only > one core to be used. (Gentoo might well be easier to ensure that you > have the right flags set /if/ the distribution gets them wrong, though.) > > Regards, > Daniel Despite hearing these claims time and time again, I wouldn't mind having a play and finding out for myself. That means that I'd need to find a cli program which uses a fair amount of processing power such as.... ffmpeg - which also doesn't rely on disk performance (does ffmpeg fall into this category?) and timing it on an Ubuntu system using the stock standard binaries and then compiling ffmpeg and timing it doing the same movie on that. Are there any holes in my logic here? Could the libraries have some effect on this? And do I need to do something along the lines of a reboot between each try in order to eliminate any effects from caching? From Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz Sat Sep 13 20:18:58 2008 From: Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz (Chilling_Silence) Date: Sat Sep 13 20:19:02 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: References: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> <87abeclul0.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: <2987f0d40809130118k3b78b759yfd01084e6bbc7a1b@mail.gmail.com> It depends on how rice your CFLAGS etc are. I would be tempted to encode as XviD and x264, using FFMPEG and something else like mencoder too... See what the results are :) Sent from my iPhone On 9/13/08, Nevyn wrote: > On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Daniel Pittman > wrote: >> Kent Wilkinson writes: >> >>> On Sat, 2008-09-13 at 11:34 +1200, Alex Williams wrote: >>>> I hate to say this because I use (K)Ubuntu on my machine here, and for >>>> much the same reason that you switched, Gentoo was becoming too time >>>> consuming and updates continually broke the system, but I think you may >>>> be experiencing one of the down sides to using a binary edition of >>>> Linux >>>> like Ubuntu, compared to a "from source/scratch" system like Gentoo. >>>> >>>> I don't personally watch freeview through my PC so I'm not going to be >>>> much help here but my first move would probably be to remove the binary >>>> version of mplayer and compile it from source. Then if that didn't work >>>> I'd have to start looking at re-compiling codecs, video drivers etc >>>> etc. >>>> This obviously is working on the principal that mplayer in Ubuntu is >>>> most likely compiled into the binary with ALL available options and >>>> codecs applied, this may be what's having an effect or I could be >>>> completely off track. >>>> >>>> Sorry I can't be much more help than that without actually looking at >>>> it >>>> in person. :( >>>> >>>> Kind Regards >>>> >>>> Alex Williams CCNA >>>> >>>> Technical Director >>>> Symsys Ltd >>>> >>>> >>>> Kent Wilkinson wrote: >>>> > After switching to Ubuntu 8.04 64bit from Gentoo, I have issues with >>>> > freeview, I have had to disable the in loop filter when watching TV3 >>>> > as >>>> > the system could not keep up. >>>> > >>>> > When I was running Gentoo my Q6600 was running @ 2.4GHz and had no >>>> > problems playing TV3 with the following command: >>>> > >>>> > mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts >>>> > fast:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts >>>> > >>>> > tmp.ts is the TV3 stream being dumped to disk by another process. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Now after switching to ubuntu and upgrading my heat sink and fan, my >>>> > computer is running stable and 10 degrees cooler @ 3.0GHz and it can >>>> > only just keep up with the in loop filter disabled. It cant keep up >>>> > at >>>> > all with default clock speed. Now using this command: >>>> > >>>> > mplayer -channels 2 -fs -vo gl -mc 2 -delay -0.3 -lavdopts >>>> > fast:skiploopfilter=nonref:threads=4 -vf pp=fd,harddup -fps >>>> > 50 /home/kent/tmp.ts >>>> > >>>> > If I look at the system monitor it appears that the work is being >>>> > performed by only one core. >>>> > >>> >>> I didn't think Gentoo would be that much more efficient. >> >> It isn't. The performance differences from compilation options, etc, >> are almost never going to be more than one or two percent -- and >> anything above one is rare. >> >>> I have installed the latest mplayer from source, but not all the >>> libraries it depends on so maybe that will be the next step. Sounds >>> painfull. I'm starting to miss portage. >> >> Given that the work is being done by one core, and one core only, the >> most likely candidate is that one of mplayer or the ffmpeg libraries is >> not configured with thread support. >> >> The stock ffmpeg libraries supplied with Ubuntu are configured with >> pthreads enabled, so my guess would be that you missed some appropriate >> option when configuring mplayer. >> >> In any case: compiler options and the like are *not* going to cause only >> one core to be used. (Gentoo might well be easier to ensure that you >> have the right flags set /if/ the distribution gets them wrong, though.) >> >> Regards, >> Daniel > > Despite hearing these claims time and time again, I wouldn't mind > having a play and finding out for myself. That means that I'd need to > find a cli program which uses a fair amount of processing power such > as.... ffmpeg - which also doesn't rely on disk performance (does > ffmpeg fall into this category?) and timing it on an Ubuntu system > using the stock standard binaries and then compiling ffmpeg and timing > it doing the same movie on that. > > Are there any holes in my logic here? Could the libraries have some > effect on this? And do I need to do something along the lines of a > reboot between each try in order to eliminate any effects from > caching? > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 23:31:19 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sat Sep 13 23:31:24 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: <2987f0d40809130118k3b78b759yfd01084e6bbc7a1b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> <87abeclul0.fsf@rimspace.net> <2987f0d40809130118k3b78b759yfd01084e6bbc7a1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Chilling_Silence wrote: > It depends on how rice your CFLAGS etc are. > > I would be tempted to encode as XviD and x264, using FFMPEG and > something else like mencoder too... See what the results are :) > > > Sent from my iPhone How rice?!? From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Sun Sep 14 00:41:26 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Sun Sep 14 00:41:31 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: References: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> <87abeclul0.fsf@rimspace.net> <2987f0d40809130118k3b78b759yfd01084e6bbc7a1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CBB4F6.1000407@symsys-it.co.nz> He's on his I Phone give him a break lol Kind Regards Alex Williams CCNA Technical Director Symsys Ltd Nevyn wrote: > On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Chilling_Silence > wrote: >> It depends on how rice your CFLAGS etc are. >> >> I would be tempted to encode as XviD and x264, using FFMPEG and >> something else like mencoder too... See what the results are :) >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone > > > How rice?!? > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > From daniel at rimspace.net Sun Sep 14 01:50:16 2008 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Sun Sep 14 01:58:32 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: (Nevyn's message of "Sat, 13 Sep 2008 16:53:59 +1200") References: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> <87abeclul0.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: <87y71wnoiv.fsf@rimspace.net> Nevyn writes: > On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Daniel Pittman wrote: [...] >> It isn't. The performance differences from compilation options, etc, >> are almost never going to be more than one or two percent -- and >> anything above one is rare. [...] > Despite hearing these claims time and time again, I wouldn't mind > having a play and finding out for myself. That means that I'd need to > find a cli program which uses a fair amount of processing power such > as.... ffmpeg - which also doesn't rely on disk performance (does > ffmpeg fall into this category?) and timing it on an Ubuntu system > using the stock standard binaries and then compiling ffmpeg and timing > it doing the same movie on that. ffmpeg is actually a pretty bad choice for this -- it uses a lot of processing power, and has an awful lot of hand-crafted assembly code to ensure that it uses the system to full capacity. Where it does use C code that is often tuned to the compiler, carefully, to ensure that the generated code is suitably efficient, and that other costs (like memory use) don't dominate. IIRC it also does runtime detection of CPU features and selects the appropriate code path for the CPU, to take advantage of their specific performance quirks. Not, I think, actually patching the executable code to avoid branching in doing so, but it might. Like the Linux kernel this means that the performance it delivers significantly influenced by the efficiency of the code, but not by the compiler options. Mostly by the skill of the developer, really. Also, note the mostly: it isn't /impossible/ that compiler options might make a statistically significant difference to the performance of ffmpeg, in some cases. (Mostly micro-benchmarks, I expect.) It just isn't very common. Even the hand-coded assembly in ffmpeg is only really useful because they are very, very careful about memory management so that the cost of cache loading is /not/ the dominant factor in their performance. For the curious, the oprofile tools that read, for example, memory and cache load operations are very interesting to run against applications. Using that you can see exactly how much time is spent, and where, just waiting on memory these days. > Are there any holes in my logic here? You need to pick an appropriate benchmark, and I don't think that ffmpeg is one, personally. Maybe hunting through it would find a pure C codec that was not carefully structured to control code generation, which would be suitable. > Could the libraries have some effect on this? Yes: in benchmarking, everything that is executed during the benchmark has an effect. With ffmpeg that could well include disk I/O, or the graphics output. > And do I need to do something along the lines of a reboot between each > try in order to eliminate any effects from caching? In general, no. Running a couple of "cache warming" runs on an otherwise idle machine, discarding their results, then performing a number of runs and doing statistical regression on their results will give you an average performance figure and a confidence figure. For disk cache effects, 'echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches' will flush all the disk cache out, if you want that; doing that before the couple of warm-up runs for each test should ensure they have roughly the same baseline. Hrm. This turned into a very long response, partly because this is a difficult topic. I still have "Measuring Computer Performance" by David Lilja, at 237 pages of very dense math on how to benchmark, on my reading list to brush up on this. Anyway, I hope that explains some of this -- and, especially, that it isn't impossible that the compiler options make a difference, just not a huge one.[1] Regards, Daniel Footnotes: [1] In the case of using only one core, not four, it is more or less impossible that compiler options are /directly/ responsible, but that is a separate issue. From rosscoad at slingshot.co.nz Sun Sep 14 06:34:48 2008 From: rosscoad at slingshot.co.nz (Ross) Date: Sun Sep 14 06:35:03 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: References: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> <87abeclul0.fsf@rimspace.net> <2987f0d40809130118k3b78b759yfd01084e6bbc7a1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CC07C8.7000008@slingshot.co.nz> Nevyn wrote: > On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Chilling_Silence > wrote: >> It depends on how rice your CFLAGS etc are. >> >> I would be tempted to encode as XviD and x264, using FFMPEG and >> something else like mencoder too... See what the results are :) >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone > > > How rice?!? > Gentoo users are ricers. From nevynh at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 09:42:28 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sun Sep 14 09:42:34 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: <48CC07C8.7000008@slingshot.co.nz> References: <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> <87abeclul0.fsf@rimspace.net> <2987f0d40809130118k3b78b759yfd01084e6bbc7a1b@mail.gmail.com> <48CC07C8.7000008@slingshot.co.nz> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Ross wrote: > Nevyn wrote: >> >> On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Chilling_Silence >> wrote: >>> >>> It depends on how rice your CFLAGS etc are. >>> >>> I would be tempted to encode as XviD and x264, using FFMPEG and >>> something else like mencoder too... See what the results are :) >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> How rice?!? >> > Gentoo users are ricers. That's what I thought he meant. What does the term mean?!? From nevynh at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 09:53:19 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sun Sep 14 09:53:22 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: <87y71wnoiv.fsf@rimspace.net> References: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> <87abeclul0.fsf@rimspace.net> <87y71wnoiv.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 1:50 AM, Daniel Pittman wrote: > ffmpeg is actually a pretty bad choice for this -- it uses a lot of > processing power, and has an awful lot of hand-crafted assembly code to > ensure that it uses the system to full capacity. Is there an application you'd suggest over ffmpeg then? From alex at mkw-it.com Sun Sep 14 10:51:36 2008 From: alex at mkw-it.com (Alex Williams) Date: Sun Sep 14 10:51:43 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD meeting results Message-ID: <48CC43F8.1010908@mkw-it.com> Sorry guys I missed the SFD Meeting and never caught the results on here. Anyone care to enlighten me as to whats happening with it? -- Kind Regards Alex Williams CCNA Technical Director Symsys Ltd From blakjak at blakjak.net Sun Sep 14 11:25:10 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Sun Sep 14 11:25:16 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: References: <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> <87abeclul0.fsf@rimspace.net> <2987f0d40809130118k3b78b759yfd01084e6bbc7a1b@mail.gmail.com> <48CC07C8.7000008@slingshot.co.nz> Message-ID: You suprise me Nevyn. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rice Most of the automotive ref's are right in their intent. See also 'bling'. Mark. On Sun, 14 Sep 2008, Nevyn wrote: > On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Ross wrote: >> Nevyn wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Chilling_Silence >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> It depends on how rice your CFLAGS etc are. >>>> >>>> I would be tempted to encode as XviD and x264, using FFMPEG and >>>> something else like mencoder too... See what the results are :) >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> How rice?!? >>> >> Gentoo users are ricers. > > That's what I thought he meant. What does the term mean?!? > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From justin at skull.co.nz Sun Sep 14 12:09:27 2008 From: justin at skull.co.nz (Justin Cook) Date: Sun Sep 14 12:09:34 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux tablet interface Message-ID: <93a52e0e0809131709k47f9af61ha739e60c50643c59@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone I'm looking at different tablet interfaces available. The slide-out bar in Vista is nicest so far, but I want to eliminate the need to ever right-click as it's awkward. Is there a Linux distro aimed at tablets? Can Ubuntu be set up to work well with a tablet? -- Justin Cook Skull http://www.skull.co.nz justin@skull.co.nz 021 2700 222 Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible - St. Francis of Assisi From blakjak at blakjak.net Sun Sep 14 12:15:53 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Sun Sep 14 12:15:57 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux tablet interface In-Reply-To: <93a52e0e0809131709k47f9af61ha739e60c50643c59@mail.gmail.com> References: <93a52e0e0809131709k47f9af61ha739e60c50643c59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > I'm looking at different tablet interfaces available. The slide-out bar in > Vista is nicest so far, but I want to eliminate the need to ever right-click > as it's awkward. Is there a Linux distro aimed at tablets? Can Ubuntu be set > up to work well with a tablet? My Windows driven Tablet has two right-click methods 1) tap and hold for 3 secs 2) press button on stylus whilst tapping Depending on what im doing either works well enough. Depending on what youre doing its still easier to use either of the above than to hunt thru menus... Mark. From justin at skull.co.nz Sun Sep 14 12:18:53 2008 From: justin at skull.co.nz (Justin Cook) Date: Sun Sep 14 12:18:59 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux tablet interface In-Reply-To: References: <93a52e0e0809131709k47f9af61ha739e60c50643c59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <93a52e0e0809131718t1ac413e6k7eefaedc7506e947@mail.gmail.com> How do you enable the tap-and-hold? This is a ghetto tablet, just an n770 with rdesktop connecting to a real machine, so it doesn't have a whole lot of auto-detected tablet support. I also tried installing another shell instead of explorer - xoblite - but it turns out the rdesktop right-click support on the n770 is shell based. It stopped working entirely. On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Mark Foster wrote: > >> I'm looking at different tablet interfaces available. The slide-out bar in >> Vista is nicest so far, but I want to eliminate the need to ever >> right-click >> as it's awkward. Is there a Linux distro aimed at tablets? Can Ubuntu be >> set >> up to work well with a tablet? >> > > My Windows driven Tablet has two right-click methods > 1) tap and hold for 3 secs > 2) press button on stylus whilst tapping > > Depending on what im doing either works well enough. Depending on what > youre doing its still easier to use either of the above than to hunt thru > menus... > > Mark. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Justin Cook Skull http://www.skull.co.nz justin@skull.co.nz 021 2700 222 Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible - St. Francis of Assisi From blakjak at blakjak.net Sun Sep 14 12:25:11 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Sun Sep 14 12:25:15 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux tablet interface In-Reply-To: <93a52e0e0809131718t1ac413e6k7eefaedc7506e947@mail.gmail.com> References: <93a52e0e0809131709k47f9af61ha739e60c50643c59@mail.gmail.com> <93a52e0e0809131718t1ac413e6k7eefaedc7506e947@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Justin. The feature is a default on my Tablet. Runs WinXP or Windows Vista (supplied with the latter; I installed the former). I must admit ive not tried Linux. And can't, a its a work-owned device. So I cant tell you how to enable the feature... sorry. Mark. PS: Top-posting your response to a bottom-posted thread was confusing for a moment. AUP says you shouldnt... http://auckland.linux.net.nz/aup.html On Sun, 14 Sep 2008, Justin Cook wrote: > How do you enable the tap-and-hold? This is a ghetto tablet, just an n770 > with rdesktop connecting to a real machine, so it doesn't have a whole lot > of auto-detected tablet support. > > I also tried installing another shell instead of explorer - xoblite - but it > turns out the rdesktop right-click support on the n770 is shell based. It > stopped working entirely. > > On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Mark Foster wrote: > >> >>> I'm looking at different tablet interfaces available. The slide-out bar in >>> Vista is nicest so far, but I want to eliminate the need to ever >>> right-click >>> as it's awkward. Is there a Linux distro aimed at tablets? Can Ubuntu be >>> set >>> up to work well with a tablet? >>> >> >> My Windows driven Tablet has two right-click methods >> 1) tap and hold for 3 secs >> 2) press button on stylus whilst tapping >> >> Depending on what im doing either works well enough. Depending on what >> youre doing its still easier to use either of the above than to hunt thru >> menus... >> >> Mark. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > > > -- > Justin Cook > Skull > > http://www.skull.co.nz > justin@skull.co.nz > 021 2700 222 > > Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you > are doing the impossible - St. Francis of Assisi > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 22:56:25 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sun Sep 14 22:56:31 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: References: <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> <87abeclul0.fsf@rimspace.net> <2987f0d40809130118k3b78b759yfd01084e6bbc7a1b@mail.gmail.com> <48CC07C8.7000008@slingshot.co.nz> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Mark Foster wrote: > You suprise me Nevyn. > > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rice > > Most of the automotive ref's are right in their intent. See also 'bling'. > > Mark. Oh dear .... I remember when I first heard the term "bling". A friend and I were in hysterics over the absurdity of it. PHAT definitely fits into that category as well. Surely the optimizations you choose in Gentoo have to have more than a cosmetic value to them? From Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz Mon Sep 15 00:11:14 2008 From: Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz (Chilling_Silence) Date: Mon Sep 15 00:11:30 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux tablet interface In-Reply-To: <93a52e0e0809131709k47f9af61ha739e60c50643c59@mail.gmail.com> References: <93a52e0e0809131709k47f9af61ha739e60c50643c59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2987f0d40809140511g48873958h232b5aaa292b709@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Justin Cook wrote: > Can Ubuntu be set > up to work well with a tablet? > Why yes! Ubuntu Mobile Edition worked quite well on my EeePC, but would have worked a *lot* better with a Touchscreen. Its not perfect, but may be a step in the right direction :) From daniel at rimspace.net Mon Sep 15 11:55:52 2008 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Mon Sep 15 11:56:02 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: (Nevyn's message of "Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:53:19 +1200") References: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> <87abeclul0.fsf@rimspace.net> <87y71wnoiv.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: <87vdwynuyf.fsf@rimspace.net> Nevyn writes: > On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 1:50 AM, Daniel Pittman wrote: > >> ffmpeg is actually a pretty bad choice for this -- it uses a lot of >> processing power, and has an awful lot of hand-crafted assembly code to >> ensure that it uses the system to full capacity. > > Is there an application you'd suggest over ffmpeg then? Off the top of my head, no. You might find that something like R, or povray, is suitable -- but I don't know how hand-optimized their core code is for the work they do. The real problem is that you want to measure the effect of compiler options, not of the skill of the programmer, which means that you really need to find some code that is (a) performance critical, and (b) not hand-optimized to the point that the compiler has nothing to do. I don't know of anything fitting that description trivially. Regards, Daniel From terry.donovan at clear.net.nz Mon Sep 15 16:04:45 2008 From: terry.donovan at clear.net.nz (terry donovan) Date: Mon Sep 15 16:05:09 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Greenhorn Problem Message-ID: <48CDDEDD.7030302@clear.net.nz> I have just put a good clean 80gig into a unit about five years old. It is to be dedicated to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS desktop version. The unit does come up and i can get my language o.k. From here it turns to porridge out of my range of understanding.If i try to get started I tried staight out for a full install. I does accept this and fills the screen with loading data; then stops and freezes at that point. Two lines at bottom of screen is all i have now to try to sort out. With little knowledge I appeal for help. 1.(Try UBUNTU )= [85.902557]Kernal Panic-not syncing:Fatel exception in interrupt 2.(install UBUNTU) = [43.853652] [df433dd8)]0xdf433dd8 SS:ESP 0068:df433dc0 2A. second line = [43.843811]Kernal panic not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt AT this point we are frozen and must re-boot from C.D. Any and All help will be valued. Regards Terry From freakalad at hotmail.com Mon Sep 15 16:35:23 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Sep 15 16:35:36 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] UME on touch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ubuntu Mobile Edition would be a good fit (UME). Use it on my eeePC; is GREAT! This could be a good place to start https://launchpad.net/netbook-remix Good luck & post some pix when ur done (or come show us your progress @ the SFD this weekend) Started to Ubuntize my MacBook Pro, so we may be able to compare notes _________________________________________________________________ Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services http://get.live.com From freakalad at hotmail.com Mon Sep 15 16:40:31 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Sep 15 16:40:40 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG on SFD show&tell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm heading off tonight to check out Milan's "Ubuntu-evening"/"Ubuntu-net-cafe" tonight (Monday's) @ 6:30 http://www.wharfit.co.nz/Free_Software_meetings http://www.smaps.co.nz/nz/north+shore/devonport/ http://www.organicdesign.co.nz He's doing some really nice work, as far as I can tell, so it may be well worth it to check it out. Time's running short... _________________________________________________________________ Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services http://get.live.com From freakalad at hotmail.com Mon Sep 15 17:13:38 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Sep 15 17:13:50 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Marston ref In-Reply-To: <797883.23948.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <797883.23948.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the info, Dale. Much appreciated. I'm committed to Milan's effort, as I've been invited, and pretty-much been out of it over the weekend (recovering from the shock of killing my MBP; happy-days ahead). May end up being the de facto venue, should Hibiscus Coast LUG fall through I'll drop him a line & hear what pearls of wisdom he has to offer c u guys soon... _________________________________________________________________ Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services http://get.live.com From kent_wilkinson at slingshot.co.nz Mon Sep 15 19:38:43 2008 From: kent_wilkinson at slingshot.co.nz (Kent Wilkinson) Date: Mon Sep 15 19:38:52 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Freeview In-Reply-To: <87vdwynuyf.fsf@rimspace.net> References: <1221207761.6705.3.camel@ACER> <1221261961.26299.21.camel@cosmos> <48CAFC7B.6040109@symsys-it.co.nz> <1221263323.26299.25.camel@cosmos> <87abeclul0.fsf@rimspace.net> <87y71wnoiv.fsf@rimspace.net> <87vdwynuyf.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: <1221464323.7405.10.camel@cosmos> Here's a bit of an update on where I am: I installed Gentoo back on my second hdd, I set it up similar to my ubuntu setup, ie; With gnome & svn mplayer and I get the same result as ubuntu, it just can't keep up without the in loop filter dissabled. Again it is only using one core. I have checked other h264 content I have and they are all threaded across all four cores, so I'm thinking that maybe Freeview has changed their broadcast to use only one slice. I read somewhere that multicore decoding only works if it was encoded with slicing enabled. Thanks for all the help. cheers Kent PS. Turns out that my problems with Gentoo stemmed from a python version change. From lilypatch at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 20:05:24 2008 From: lilypatch at gmail.com (David Bowen) Date: Mon Sep 15 20:05:31 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Greenhorn Problem In-Reply-To: <48CDDEDD.7030302@clear.net.nz> References: <48CDDEDD.7030302@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <48CE1744.4040405@gmail.com> terry donovan wrote: > I have just put a good clean 80gig into a unit about five years old. > It is to be dedicated to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS desktop version. The unit > does come up and i can get my language o.k. From here it turns to > porridge out of my range of understanding.If i try to get started I > tried staight out for a full install. I does accept this and fills the > screen with loading data; then stops and freezes at that point. > Two lines at bottom of screen is all i have now to try to sort out. > With little knowledge I appeal for help. > 1.(Try UBUNTU )= [85.902557]Kernal Panic-not syncing:Fatel exception > in interrupt > > 2.(install UBUNTU) = [43.853652] [df433dd8)]0xdf433dd8 SS:ESP > 0068:df433dc0 > 2A. second line = [43.843811]Kernal panic not syncing: Fatal > exception in interrupt > AT this point we are frozen and must re-boot from C.D. > Any and All help will be valued. > Regards Terry > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > Hi Terry How is Dunedin? Take a look at this page from the Ubuntu help pages. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Kernel%20Options It gives a few options to try, like turning off the APCI (Advanced power management) You might find one of these helps, or maybe wait a couple of weeks for the next release, Intrepid Ibis to go beta and see if that will install. David From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Mon Sep 15 20:27:25 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Mon Sep 15 20:28:01 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Greenhorn Problem In-Reply-To: <48CE1744.4040405@gmail.com> References: <48CDDEDD.7030302@clear.net.nz> <48CE1744.4040405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CE1C6D.5050601@symsys-it.co.nz> Terry, try the alternate installer CD first of all, if that does no good then try a slightly older release of the distribution. Modern distros are known for throwing "tanties" at some older hardware recently, especially if they are auto installers like Ubuntu/Kubuntu where they automatically try to install an X server without prompting you in the slightest as to what you might want. You'll probably find that the alternate installer will do the trick, if not like I said try an older version of Ubuntu which will still be available from their site (6.06 I think is still available?) or try a different distribution like Mandriva. I've found Mandriva to be excellent at hardware installation and it's very easy to use as well. Kind Regards Alex Williams CCNA Technical Director Symsys Ltd David Bowen wrote: > terry donovan wrote: >> I have just put a good clean 80gig into a unit about five years old. >> It is to be dedicated to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS desktop version. The unit >> does come up and i can get my language o.k. From here it turns to >> porridge out of my range of understanding.If i try to get started I >> tried staight out for a full install. I does accept this and fills the >> screen with loading data; then stops and freezes at that point. >> Two lines at bottom of screen is all i have now to try to sort out. >> With little knowledge I appeal for help. >> 1.(Try UBUNTU )= [85.902557]Kernal Panic-not syncing:Fatel exception >> in interrupt >> >> 2.(install UBUNTU) = [43.853652] [df433dd8)]0xdf433dd8 SS:ESP >> 0068:df433dc0 >> 2A. second line = [43.843811]Kernal panic not syncing: Fatal >> exception in interrupt >> AT this point we are frozen and must re-boot from C.D. >> Any and All help will be valued. >> Regards Terry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > Hi Terry > > How is Dunedin? > > Take a look at this page from the Ubuntu help pages. > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Kernel%20Options > > It gives a few options to try, like turning off the APCI (Advanced > power management) > You might find one of these helps, or maybe wait a couple of weeks for > the next release, Intrepid Ibis to go beta and see if that will install. > > David > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From freakalad at hotmail.com Thu Sep 18 09:10:49 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Sep 18 09:10:54 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD now very close In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So! The SFD is on hand We've managed to get something up, albeit a bit late in the hour, @ http://www.wharfit.co.nz/Free_Software_meetings & http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/oceania/nz/devonport (thanks, Milan). More info to be added A big thanks out to everybody who's contributed to the effort, and good luck to our gLUG piers in their SFD endeavours on Sat. Here's hoping next year's event is even bigger than this year's - Jaco _________________________________________________________________ Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services http://get.live.com From blakjak at blakjak.net Thu Sep 18 10:09:13 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Thu Sep 18 10:09:31 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD now very close In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27404.119.15.0.26.1221689353.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> > > So! The SFD is on hand > > We've managed to get something up, albeit a bit late in the hour, @ > http://www.wharfit.co.nz/Free_Software_meetings & > http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/oceania/nz/devonport (thanks, Milan). > More info to be added > > A big thanks out to everybody who's contributed to the effort, and good > luck to our gLUG piers in their SFD endeavours on Sat. Here's hoping next > year's event is even bigger than this year's > > - Jaco Jaco, Thanks for your efforts on this. I've publicised the Auckland event via the NZOSS website and will heads them up as to your event. Mark. From freakalad at hotmail.com Thu Sep 18 12:07:26 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Sep 18 12:07:30 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 40, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kudos for the note, Mark _________________________________________________________________ Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services http://get.live.com From alex at mkw-it.com Wed Sep 24 20:12:01 2008 From: alex at mkw-it.com (Alex Williams) Date: Wed Sep 24 20:11:12 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Has the list dispanded? Message-ID: <48D9F651.8040303@mkw-it.com> Or am I just not getting messages anymore? I haven't seen anything come through from the Auckland group for days now. From kiirani at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 20:18:05 2008 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Wed Sep 24 20:18:13 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Has the list dispanded? In-Reply-To: <48D9F651.8040303@mkw-it.com> References: <48D9F651.8040303@mkw-it.com> Message-ID: <2494ad260809240118w1a88068cs3649146e1333f892@mail.gmail.com> I'm pretty sure that it's just nobody talking. 2008/9/24 Alex Williams : > Or am I just not getting messages anymore? I haven't seen anything come > through from the Auckland group for days now. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From rolandh at ak.planet.gen.nz Wed Sep 24 22:39:42 2008 From: rolandh at ak.planet.gen.nz (Roland Hill) Date: Wed Sep 24 22:39:55 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] OT: Port forward help Message-ID: <20080924103942.GA9070@hillnet.local> Hi, The only link to Linux in this question is that the webserver in running kubuntu 8.04! I originally had a combined router/modem. Port forwarding was easy, set it through the web interface - done. I am now running as separate router and modem, and cannot get port forwarding or double port forwarding working. Router is a Linksys WRT300N, modem is a Linksys AM300N, and connects to the routers "Internet" port. IP addressing goes like this (subnets are all 255.255.255.0): Server: 192.168.0.105 (gateway 192.168.0.1) Router: LAN side, 192.168.0.1, WAN side 192.168.1.2 (gateway 192.168.1.1) Modem: LAN side, 192.168.1.1, WAN side "Internet" via ISP (also using DDNS) Internet connectivity is fine. I want to forward port 143 on the server. I have set up a double forward, but this does not work. Can anyone point me in the right direction? I can provide more information if required. Happy to have off-list replies as this is OT. -- Regards, Roland PGP Key 0xDA39319B = BCF0 1214 BAE9 5A3D 46FC 21A6 360D 9398 DA39 319B -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I haven't seen anything come >> through from the Auckland group for days now. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Sep 24 23:07:32 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Sep 24 23:07:37 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] OT: Port forward help In-Reply-To: <20080924103942.GA9070@hillnet.local> References: <20080924103942.GA9070@hillnet.local> Message-ID: > Router is a Linksys WRT300N, modem is a Linksys AM300N, and connects to > the routers "Internet" port. > > IP addressing goes like this (subnets are all 255.255.255.0): > > Server: 192.168.0.105 (gateway 192.168.0.1) > > Router: LAN side, 192.168.0.1, WAN side 192.168.1.2 (gateway 192.168.1.1) > > Modem: LAN side, 192.168.1.1, WAN side "Internet" via ISP (also using > DDNS) > > Internet connectivity is fine. > > I want to forward port 143 on the server. I have set up a double forward, > but this does not work. > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? I can provide more information > if required. Struggling to understand the 'router' vs 'modem' bit - I presume this is what you mean by your DSL router: http://www.i-tech.com.au/products/2035_LINKSYS_AM300_ADSL_2_2__USB__Ethernet.aspx I presume youre using it via Ethernet - so its actually a DSL router, and a NAT device translating between your LAN and the internet. What purpose does the additional router serve? Anycase, Assuming your 'router' is also NATing, As long as the pinhole loaded in your 'modem' points at the Router, and a long s the pinhole in your router points to your end host, and appropriate routing exists for bidirectional comms, you should be fine - though double-NAT is hardly ideal. If your 'router' is infact routing, your DSL modem needs to know about your second subnet (192.168.0) with a route along the lines of 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 via 192.168.1.2 And your router needs a default route via the DSL modem. That would give you a NAT-once, route-once path out... The best I can suggest at this point. Onceuponatime there was a DSL mailing list that would've been ideal, but basically, DSL is pretty much old hat these days... There was a separate broadband list but I never subscribed to it. They were both hosted on www.unixathome.org if you want to be nosey. Hope this helps. Mark. From lwreg at yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 06:55:10 2008 From: lwreg at yahoo.com (S M) Date: Thu Sep 25 06:55:27 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu Expert Needed Message-ID: <558873.18196.qm@web59815.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In need of someone to install and setup Ubuntu 8.04.1 Desktop on a PC owned by a smart, but untechnical user. The PC is a new, standard Intel machine, so this should be a pretty straightforward job. However, there are a few few post-install setups (Repositories, Flash, Java, Skype) that require experience with Ubuntu. If you are interested, please let me know... :-) Scott ~~ From unclerichard at xtra.co.nz Thu Sep 25 09:17:29 2008 From: unclerichard at xtra.co.nz (R Innes) Date: Thu Sep 25 09:17:41 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu Expert Needed In-Reply-To: <558873.18196.qm@web59815.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <558873.18196.qm@web59815.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48DAAE69.9080205@xtra.co.nz> S M wrote: > In need of someone to install and setup Ubuntu 8.04.1 Desktop on a PC owned by a smart, but untechnical user. > > The PC is a new, standard Intel machine, so this should be a pretty straightforward job. However, there are a few few post-install setups (Repositories, Flash, Java, Skype) that require experience with Ubuntu. > > If you are interested, please let me know... :-) > > Scott > ~~ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > Scott: There's nothing to it, send us details of your machine and set up and we can (collectively) send you a bullet outline of how to install Ubuntu. The tricky part is the add-ons like flash and Skype, for this you may need expert adivice. Take it in steps, install Ubuntu first, get it working, then try installing the add-ons you want. If you are live on the Shore, I'll be happy to help one on one on the install. Ricahrd I. From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 11:22:00 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Sep 25 11:22:05 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu Expert Needed In-Reply-To: <48DAAE69.9080205@xtra.co.nz> References: <558873.18196.qm@web59815.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <48DAAE69.9080205@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:17 AM, R Innes wrote: > S M wrote: >> >> In need of someone to install and setup Ubuntu 8.04.1 Desktop on a PC >> owned by a smart, but untechnical user. >> >> The PC is a new, standard Intel machine, so this should be a pretty >> straightforward job. However, there are a few few post-install setups >> (Repositories, Flash, Java, Skype) that require experience with Ubuntu. >> >> If you are interested, please let me know... :-) >> >> Scott >> ~~ >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> > > Scott: There's nothing to it, send us details of your machine and set up and > we can (collectively) send you a bullet outline of how to install Ubuntu. > The tricky part is the add-ons like flash and Skype, for this you may need > expert adivice. > > Take it in steps, install Ubuntu first, get it working, then try installing > the add-ons you want. > > If you are live on the Shore, I'll be happy to help one on one on the > install. > > Ricahrd I. Hi Scott and Richard, This sounds like an idea. Also, I've been talking to Jaco about doing something along the lines of a once a month meeting to socailise and do just this sort of thing. I.e. sort of a mini-installfest. I'm going to post something to AuckLUG later today if I get the chance and see if anyone's interested. We're talking about doing one month on the shore, one in the city. Other regions would need to be figured out later. Incidently if you're in the city, I'd be perfectly happy to help you out - I'm in Mt Eden and don't drive. Otherwise, as Richard suggested, doing support over the net usually requires a lot less time on our parts as the questions tend to be more focused. Regards, Nevyn. From unclerichard at xtra.co.nz Thu Sep 25 15:42:59 2008 From: unclerichard at xtra.co.nz (R Innes) Date: Thu Sep 25 15:43:08 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu Expert Needed In-Reply-To: References: <558873.18196.qm@web59815.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <48DAAE69.9080205@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <48DB08C3.3000501@xtra.co.nz> Hi Scott and Richard, > This sounds like an idea. Also, I've been talking to Jaco about doing > something along the lines of a once a month meeting to socailise and > do just this sort of thing. I.e. sort of a mini-installfest. I'm going > to post something to AuckLUG later today if I get the chance and see > if anyone's interested. We're talking about doing one month on the > shore, one in the city. Other regions would need to be figured out > later. > > Incidently if you're in the city, I'd be perfectly happy to help you > out - I'm in Mt Eden and don't drive. Otherwise, as Richard suggested, > doing support over the net usually requires a lot less time on our > parts as the questions tend to be more focused. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > I'll be happy to assist on the Shore but my ability to help in the city is limited by transport. What I believe many people want is to see Ubuntu (Linux) working on a machine, so they can get a feel for it. I personally are more happier doing dual boot as this gives newcomers a feel for both. Frankly I do thisbecause no one OS works 100% for me and what how I work all the time so the ability to switch gives me flexibility. I've fiddled about with numerous Linux variants and believe for newcomers that Ubuntu is the best but if someone prefers another flavour, I'm happy to help. Richard I. From darrylovens at infogen.net.nz Thu Sep 25 17:13:47 2008 From: darrylovens at infogen.net.nz (Darryl Ovens) Date: Thu Sep 25 17:16:24 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Social/Mini-installfest/hitch busting etc. Message-ID: <48DB1E0B.7040100@infogen.net.nz> >Message: 8 >Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:22:00 +1200 >From: Nevyn >Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu Expert Needed >To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:17 AM, R Innes wrote: > > Snip >Hi Scott and Richard, > >This sounds like an idea. Also, I've been talking to Jaco about doing >something along the lines of a once a month meeting to socailise and >do just this sort of thing. I.e. sort of a mini-installfest. I'm going >to post something to AuckLUG later today if I get the chance and see >if anyone's interested. We're talking about doing one month on the >shore, one in the city. Other regions would need to be figured out >later. > >Incidently if you're in the city, I'd be perfectly happy to help you >out - I'm in Mt Eden and don't drive. Otherwise, as Richard suggested, >doing support over the net usually requires a lot less time on our >parts as the questions tend to be more focused. > >Regards, >Nevyn. > Hi Nevyn Scott and Richard, Sounds like a great idea, I got past the install stage some time back but find I am still striking other minor hitches. Hmmm, I wonder if I could talk some of the Linux users at Massey Uni into arranging a venue? I'll have a word with them next week if I get a chance. Cheers Darryl Ovens From rolandh at ak.planet.gen.nz Thu Sep 25 18:31:46 2008 From: rolandh at ak.planet.gen.nz (Roland Hill) Date: Thu Sep 25 18:32:01 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] OT: Port forward help In-Reply-To: References: <20080924103942.GA9070@hillnet.local> Message-ID: <20080925063146.GA6953@hillnet.local> On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 or thereabouts, Mark Foster came forth with: >> Router is a Linksys WRT300N, modem is a Linksys AM300N, and connects to >> the routers "Internet" port. >> IP addressing goes like this (subnets are all 255.255.255.0): >> Server: 192.168.0.105 (gateway 192.168.0.1) >> Router: LAN side, 192.168.0.1, WAN side 192.168.1.2 (gateway 192.168.1.1) >> Modem: LAN side, 192.168.1.1, WAN side "Internet" via ISP (also using >> DDNS) >> Internet connectivity is fine. >> I want to forward port 143 on the server. I have set up a double forward, >> but this does not work. >> Can anyone point me in the right direction? I can provide more information >> if required. Hi Mark, > Struggling to understand the 'router' vs 'modem' bit - I presume this is > what you mean by your DSL router: > > http://www.i-tech.com.au/products/2035_LINKSYS_AM300_ADSL_2_2__USB__Ethernet.aspx That is what I meant as the (DSL) modem. Sorry for the confusion but my PC is connected via ethernet to what Linksys calls a Wireless Broadband router (WRT300N). WiFi, 4 LAN ethernet ports and 1 "Internet/WAN" ethernet port. No DSL modem built in. WAN port on the WRT300N connects to the AM300 DSL modem via ethernet, DSL modem connects to the 'world' via phone line. > I presume youre using it via Ethernet - so its actually a DSL router, and > a NAT device translating between your LAN and the internet. > > What purpose does the additional router serve? Hopefully clarified above. In addition, the modem is set (by default) to have NAT enabled. I read via a google search, that disabling NAT may be required. I did this but I lost internet connectivity. However, if I disable NAT but add a static route, maybe that would work. Remembering that the only thing not working at the moment is port forwarding. Internet connectivity is fine. > Anycase, > > Assuming your 'router' is also NATing, > As long as the pinhole loaded in your 'modem' points at the Router, and a > long s the pinhole in your router points to your end host, and > appropriate routing exists for bidirectional comms, you should be fine - > though double-NAT is hardly ideal. > > If your 'router' is infact routing, your DSL modem needs to know about > your second subnet (192.168.0) with a route along the lines of > > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 via 192.168.1.2 > > And your router needs a default route via the DSL modem. > > That would give you a NAT-once, route-once path out... > > The best I can suggest at this point. Onceuponatime there was a DSL > mailing list that would've been ideal, but basically, DSL is pretty much > old hat these days... > There was a separate broadband list but I never subscribed to it. > They were both hosted on www.unixathome.org if you want to be nosey. > > Hope this helps. > Mark. It's given me a few ideas. I'll try changing one thing at a time and test, and also look at more mailing lists and web sites as you have suggested. The double port forward came from a portforward web site. Thanks. -- Regards, Roland PGP Key 0xDA39319B = BCF0 1214 BAE9 5A3D 46FC 21A6 360D 9398 DA39 319B -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Other regions would need to be figured out >> later. >> >> Incidently if you're in the city, I'd be perfectly happy to help you >> out - I'm in Mt Eden and don't drive. Otherwise, as Richard suggested, >> doing support over the net usually requires a lot less time on our >> parts as the questions tend to be more focused. >> >> Regards, >> Nevyn. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> > > I'll be happy to assist on the Shore but my ability to help in the city is > limited by transport. > > What I believe many people want is to see Ubuntu (Linux) working on a > machine, so they can get a feel for it. I personally are more happier doing > dual boot as this gives newcomers a feel for both. Frankly I do thisbecause > no one OS works 100% for me and what how I work all the time so the ability > to switch gives me flexibility. > > I've fiddled about with numerous Linux variants and believe for newcomers > that Ubuntu is the best but if someone prefers another flavour, I'm happy to > help. > > Richard I. Kevin, who's on the list, and who I've been helping has decided on a rather, to my way of thinking, unusual approach. He's now running KDE on Windows with open source applications. He was having problems getting various bits of hardware to work. What ever works. Personally I'm running Windows on my desktop as I work a lot within Office (programming in VBA and the like) and I just want to get the work done rather than stuffing around with Wine. There are a few things that I miss for sure like virtual desktops for more convinient workflow but if I'm going to work, it's just going to be work. That and I missed the gaming (yes.. silly reason but still. Games are a welcome destraction sometimes). Other distributions that are now on my radar are PCLinuxOS although it's redhat based (much more comfortable with deb based systems). From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 20:29:43 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Sep 25 20:29:53 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Lets get things started!.... Message-ID: Hi Guys, As you'll have noticed from another post around, Jaco and I talked at length at that first failed SFD meeting about doing other smaller events around Linux. First up, socail meet-up and mini-installfest. This would be something along the lines of the SFD meeting that people actually attended and which was alot better organised. Meet up, have a couple of beers, help people out with their various Linux issues, invite new users to come along for essentially free support and just enjoy ourselves. The idea would be that one month it'd be in the city - probably at that place where the SFD meeting took place and in the alternate month, have it over the shore. Secondly, if we can donate some old computers (chances are most of us have a few lining our hallways, under our beds etc.) with Linux installed to schools and offer them some free support in order to get Linux to our youth. Introduce the option early rather than later. Thirdly, workshops. Organising workshops for using Linux would be an interesting way to get Linux out to those with spare time. After all, if people find that they can browse the internet, write up their documents and perhaps even listen to some music without having to worry about spyware, worms, viruses etc. why wouldn't they give Linux a go? It's also been suggested that a new group should be created for all of this as the focus is on open and free software rather than just Linux. I fear this would just cause some sort of wierd splintering and besides, there's not nearly enough traffic on the list anyway. I'm pretty sure that most of us on the list see this more as an opensource list anyway. Thus the reason why we were talking about opensource applications for windows during the whole SFD thing. Regards, Nevyn. From lilypatch at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 21:09:57 2008 From: lilypatch at gmail.com (David Bowen) Date: Thu Sep 25 21:10:07 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Virtual desktops Message-ID: <48DB5565.6000608@gmail.com> Hi Nevyn > There are a few things that I > miss for sure like virtual desktops for more convinient workflow One of the guys at work showed me an article on the web a few days ago that there was an add on for windows to give you virtual desktops. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx http://news.cnet.com/8301-13880_3-9902461-68.html Check out the second link. The guy reckons the MS version is as buggy as an ant hill :-D , but found a couple of others. As for the thread on dual booting, It was good when I started playing with Linux, It take time to find applications that do what you want/need, and how to use them. Mind you it is a lot less of a problem now than it was with Mandrake 8.2 :-) . So much more choice. David From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 21:40:19 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Sep 25 21:40:26 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Virtual desktops In-Reply-To: <48DB5565.6000608@gmail.com> References: <48DB5565.6000608@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:09 PM, David Bowen wrote: > Hi Nevyn > >> There are a few things that I >> miss for sure like virtual desktops for more convinient workflow > > One of the guys at work showed me an article on the web a few days ago that > there was an add on for windows to give you virtual desktops. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-13880_3-9902461-68.html > > Check out the second link. > The guy reckons the MS version is as buggy as an ant hill :-D , but found a > couple of others. > > As for the thread on dual booting, It was good when I started playing with > Linux, It take time to find applications that do what you want/need, and how > to use them. Mind you it is a lot less of a problem now than it was with > Mandrake 8.2 :-) . > So much more choice. > > David I did have a play with the MS one though I couldn't open something on one desktop and then assign it to another desktop. It really borked things up as I tend to use the first desktop until something else interrupts me and I start opening other applications only to find that my screen is cluttered and that I should perhaps sort things out. It was also quite resource hungry for what it did. I found when dual-booting that I always had a task in mind and Windows was just easier as I already knew it. So the Linux partition didn't have a show in hell. Eventually I moved exclusively to Linux and loved it though it's a hell of a learning curve. I.e. If I want to install something in Windows, I find it, I run an installation program and it's there. If I wanted to install something in Linux, I often found I was in dependancy hell or it just wasn't avaliable for whatever version of Linux I was using. This is back during Redhat 9.0. Of course nowadays I find the Windows way of installing and especailly updating troublesome. In Ubuntu a "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" seems to work well enough. A darn sight better than having to go to the vendors of every piece of hardware in my computer to get updated drivers, the page of all the applications I use to get updates etc. Of course, I could always use win-get (I kid you not.. - http://windows-get.sourceforge.net/) From yorick_ at openoffice.org Fri Sep 26 00:04:43 2008 From: yorick_ at openoffice.org (Graham lauder) Date: Fri Sep 26 00:04:40 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu Expert Needed In-Reply-To: References: <558873.18196.qm@web59815.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <48DAAE69.9080205@xtra.co.nz> <48DB08C3.3000501@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <1222344283.28368.97.camel@linux-rzf3.site> On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 19:11 +1200, Nevyn wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 3:42 PM, R Innes wrote: > > Hi Scott and Richard, > >> > >> This sounds like an idea. Also, I've been talking to Jaco about doing > >> something along the lines of a once a month meeting to socailise and > >> do just this sort of thing. I.e. sort of a mini-installfest. I'm going > >> to post something to AuckLUG later today if I get the chance and see > >> if anyone's interested. We're talking about doing one month on the > >> shore, one in the city. Other regions would need to be figured out > >> later. > >> > >> Incidently if you're in the city, I'd be perfectly happy to help you > >> out - I'm in Mt Eden and don't drive. Otherwise, as Richard suggested, > >> doing support over the net usually requires a lot less time on our > >> parts as the questions tend to be more focused. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Nevyn. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AuckLUG mailing list > >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > >> > >> > > > > I'll be happy to assist on the Shore but my ability to help in the city is > > limited by transport. > > > > What I believe many people want is to see Ubuntu (Linux) working on a > > machine, so they can get a feel for it. I personally are more happier doing > > dual boot as this gives newcomers a feel for both. Frankly I do thisbecause > > no one OS works 100% for me and what how I work all the time so the ability > > to switch gives me flexibility. > > > > I've fiddled about with numerous Linux variants and believe for newcomers > > that Ubuntu is the best but if someone prefers another flavour, I'm happy to > > help. > > > > Richard I. > > Kevin, who's on the list, and who I've been helping has decided on a > rather, to my way of thinking, unusual approach. He's now running KDE > on Windows with open source applications. He was having problems > getting various bits of hardware to work. What ever works. Personally > I'm running Windows on my desktop as I work a lot within Office > (programming in VBA and the like) and I just want to get the work done > rather than stuffing around with Wine. There are a few things that I > miss for sure like virtual desktops for more convinient workflow but > if I'm going to work, it's just going to be work. > > That and I missed the gaming (yes.. silly reason but still. Games are > a welcome destraction sometimes). > > Other distributions that are now on my radar are PCLinuxOS although > it's redhat based (much more comfortable with deb based systems). > If the dates are convenient I would be happy assist anyone wanting to have a go with OpenSuSE 11. I've tried ubuntu 8.04 and found it somewhat wanting, perhaps 8.10 will be better. OpenSuSE 11.0 however is a brilliantly easy install, comes on a DVD so you can have everything without the need of a broadband connection (You don't have to decide between Gnome and KDE, you get both and XFCE for good measure, much better for newbies. Who the hell knows first up whether they want Ubuntu or Kubuntu?). Also there is a boxed edition that comes with a very good install manual and a Novell support package. At $NZ105 it's a bargain and comes with both 32 bit and 64 bit installs on a Dual Layer DVD. I've never had such a painless installation right down to the partitioning and resizing the windows partition for dual boot. Cheers GL Oh and I use OpenSuSE both for work and home exclusively, on desktops laptops and Servers and have done so for a about three years I think. -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org Open Opportunities ltd. Open Technologies Training and Migration Consultants http://www.openopportunities.co.nz http://openoffice.org http://www.opensuse.org OOoGear: For the Well dressed OOo Advocate http://ooogear.co.nz From andrewonthenet at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 10:10:29 2008 From: andrewonthenet at gmail.com (andrew ///) Date: Fri Sep 26 10:10:39 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu Expert Needed In-Reply-To: <1222344283.28368.97.camel@linux-rzf3.site> References: <558873.18196.qm@web59815.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <48DAAE69.9080205@xtra.co.nz> <48DB08C3.3000501@xtra.co.nz> <1222344283.28368.97.camel@linux-rzf3.site> Message-ID: I'm also interested >it sounds like fun! If all others are too busy, I am not.. and (as long as the install requires time+effort+teaching and not wifi/dialup driver configs) I'll be able to do the full configuration with ease! ie: andrewonthenet@gmail.com "PeAcE" From chemuduguntar at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 10:24:35 2008 From: chemuduguntar at gmail.com (Ravi Chemudugunta) Date: Fri Sep 26 10:24:49 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu Expert Needed In-Reply-To: References: <558873.18196.qm@web59815.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <48DAAE69.9080205@xtra.co.nz> <48DB08C3.3000501@xtra.co.nz> <1222344283.28368.97.camel@linux-rzf3.site> Message-ID: <7a4208ef0809251524l2809316g88b1277e7fd90a1a@mail.gmail.com> hmm ... it shouldn't be all that difficult, unless you hit a wifi/display driver issue as andrew mentioned, this is not to say the said hardware will not work, just not out of the box, you may be lucky that it all just works. usually you install it off the CD, use synaptic to choose extra packages you need for e.g. flash, skype ... etc and proceed to start using them. its hard to guess what problems (if any) you might encounter without knowing your exact configuration / applications, but more often then not ,they are trivial to fix given the amount of support available. however, I work in albany, if you would like some assistance I can be contacted via email. From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 12:25:56 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Sep 26 12:26:00 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu Expert Needed In-Reply-To: References: <558873.18196.qm@web59815.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <48DAAE69.9080205@xtra.co.nz> <48DB08C3.3000501@xtra.co.nz> <1222344283.28368.97.camel@linux-rzf3.site> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:10 AM, andrew /// wrote: > I'm also interested >it sounds like fun! If all others are too busy, I am > not.. and (as long as the install requires time+effort+teaching and not > wifi/dialup driver configs) I'll be able to do the full configuration with > ease! > > ie: andrewonthenet@gmail.com "PeAcE" That's one of the things with Linux - and it's all back to the installation issue. In Windows, you install a piece of hardware and usually pop in a cd and just run the installation program. Linux though is a little different. You rely on the community supporting it or, if the vendor does support it, you still need to jump through hoops to get it working. People still have to go to the dreaded console a lot of the time which is intimidating given this age of GUI goodness (not to be confused with gooey goodness). In saying that though, Linux still supports more hardware out of the box and so if you have an old machine with old devices, chances are, it's more likely to just pick things up rather than doing a fresh install of Windows only to find that you're missing a cd for those ever so important network drivers or whatever. It'd be great if there was a project out there to try and streamline alot of those configuration issues with hardware. I.e. if it finds a Brother printer, it goes to the brother website, downloads the appropriate drivers and installs them accordingly to the distributions configuration. Of course, alot of these drivers are now in Ubuntu's repositories (although the naming can be a little confusing at times) - although I'm sure there are still alot of devices out there with Linux drivers which aren't in the distributions (licensing conflicts anyone?). Regards, Nevyn. From sbwithers at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 14:45:22 2008 From: sbwithers at gmail.com (sbwithers@gmail.com) Date: Fri Sep 26 14:45:52 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Lets get things started!.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4372ea620809251945i466ba73che7d9ffe0439b026b@mail.gmail.com> I'll have more time for Linux after the election. On 9/25/08, Nevyn wrote: > Hi Guys, > > As you'll have noticed from another post around, Jaco and I talked at > length at that first failed SFD meeting about doing other smaller > events around Linux. > > First up, socail meet-up and mini-installfest. > This would be something along the lines of the SFD meeting that people > actually attended and which was alot better organised. Meet up, have a > couple of beers, help people out with their various Linux issues, > invite new users to come along for essentially free support and just > enjoy ourselves. The idea would be that one month it'd be in the city > - probably at that place where the SFD meeting took place and in the > alternate month, have it over the shore. > > Secondly, if we can donate some old computers (chances are most of us > have a few lining our hallways, under our beds etc.) with Linux > installed to schools and offer them some free support in order to get > Linux to our youth. Introduce the option early rather than later. > > Thirdly, workshops. Organising workshops for using Linux would be an > interesting way to get Linux out to those with spare time. After all, > if people find that they can browse the internet, write up their > documents and perhaps even listen to some music without having to > worry about spyware, worms, viruses etc. why wouldn't they give Linux > a go? > > It's also been suggested that a new group should be created for all of > this as the focus is on open and free software rather than just Linux. > I fear this would just cause some sort of wierd splintering and > besides, there's not nearly enough traffic on the list anyway. I'm > pretty sure that most of us on the list see this more as an opensource > list anyway. Thus the reason why we were talking about opensource > applications for windows during the whole SFD thing. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Steve Withers sbwithers@gmail.com +64-21-0267-3530 From lwreg at yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 15:18:16 2008 From: lwreg at yahoo.com (S M) Date: Fri Sep 26 15:18:30 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu Expert Needed In-Reply-To: <7a4208ef0809251524l2809316g88b1277e7fd90a1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <644519.7578.qm@web59806.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Thanks to everyone for the offers of support! As it turns out ETC Computer in Auckland will install Ubuntu on the machine. When the computer is delivered then we'll find out if the post install setup was done correctly (open all repositories, install Java, Flash, Skype, etc.) I'll let you know how it went. If they do a good job then perhaps they'll be a resource for people who want to purchase a ready-made non-Windows computer. You know, people like my mother, my retired friends or my boss. :-) Scott ~~ --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Ravi Chemudugunta wrote: > From: Ravi Chemudugunta > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu Expert Needed > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 10:24 PM > hmm ... it shouldn't be all that difficult, unless you > hit a wifi/display > driver issue as andrew mentioned, this is not to say the > said hardware will > not work, just not out of the box, you may be lucky that it > all just works. > > usually you install it off the CD, use synaptic to choose > extra packages you > need for e.g. flash, skype ... etc and proceed to start > using them. > > its hard to guess what problems (if any) you might > encounter without knowing > your exact configuration / applications, but more often > then not ,they are > trivial to fix given the amount of support available. > > however, I work in albany, if you would like some > assistance I can be > contacted via email. > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From g.kloss at massey.ac.nz Fri Sep 26 16:37:04 2008 From: g.kloss at massey.ac.nz (Guy K. Kloss) Date: Fri Sep 26 16:37:30 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Social/Mini-installfest/hitch busting etc. In-Reply-To: <48DB1E0B.7040100@infogen.net.nz> References: <48DB1E0B.7040100@infogen.net.nz> Message-ID: <200809261637.04613.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 5:13:47 pm Darryl Ovens wrote: > Hmmm, I wonder if I could talk some of the Linux users at Massey Uni > into arranging a venue? ?I'll have a word with them next week if I get a > chance. I'm pretty sure I can arrange a venue. For the after hours, as this would be, that shouldn't be that much of a problem. So, once we know a day/time I can check for a room that would provide the necessities. I would imagine that our seminar room on our Computer Science corridor would be quite well suited, as it also provides a projector to show stuff to a larger audience. Otherwise I might also look into the Staff Lounge in the Study Centre, where we may even get access to the kitchen to prepare some tea/coffee/milo ... What do you think? Guy -- Guy K. Kloss Institute of Information and Mathematical Sciences Te Kura Putaiao o Mohiohio me Pangarau Room 2.63, Quad Block A Building Massey University, Auckland, Albany Private Bag 102 904, North Shore Mail Centre voice: +64 9 414-0800 ext. 9585 fax: +64 9 441-8181 eMail: G.Kloss@massey.ac.nz http://iims.massey.ac.nz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/aucklug/attachments/20080926/e8329908/attachment.pgp From peterm at milsom.co.nz Fri Sep 26 17:42:44 2008 From: peterm at milsom.co.nz (Peter Milsom) Date: Fri Sep 26 17:42:55 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help in finding a person. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <871D541E28B9584D876E8CEEB0187DF85C30F4@mmcbcserver01.milsom.co.nz> We're a small firm - 6 people working in Mt Eden on Business support for Open Source Applications. Adempiere, Pentaho, Jasper....... Etc. I don't know if it's right to ask here, in this forum, but we're looking for a good guy (either sex) to help who's Open Source capable - Java and Postgres matters. We think it's a treasure of a job and don't want to waste it. I s'pose by asking I've already done it but I don't want to offend or break the rules or even an implied rule. Pointer appreciated. Thanks Peter Milsom From blakjak at blakjak.net Fri Sep 26 18:49:06 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Fri Sep 26 18:49:24 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help in finding a person. In-Reply-To: <871D541E28B9584D876E8CEEB0187DF85C30F4@mmcbcserver01.milsom.co.nz> References: <871D541E28B9584D876E8CEEB0187DF85C30F4@mmcbcserver01.milsom.co.nz> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2008, Peter Milsom wrote: > We're a small firm - 6 people working in Mt Eden on Business support for > Open Source Applications. Adempiere, Pentaho, Jasper....... Etc. I > don't know if it's right to ask here, in this forum, but we're looking > for a good guy (either sex) to help who's Open Source capable - Java and > Postgres matters. We think it's a treasure of a job and don't want to > waste it. I s'pose by asking I've already done it but I don't want to > offend or break the rules or even an implied rule. Pointer appreciated. > http://auckland.linux.net.nz/aup.html Job Advertisements specifically relating to Linux are welcome, but these should be focussed and not full of 'marketing-speak'. They should also only be posted once. Ideally, a brief precis could be posted, perhaps with a suitable URL containing more complete information. I'd say the nature of your post more than fits into the list ethic. If you do have a more detailed JD (desired skills, salary band, etc) it might be helpful. Mark. From rolandh at ak.planet.gen.nz Sat Sep 27 21:26:40 2008 From: rolandh at ak.planet.gen.nz (Roland Hill) Date: Sat Sep 27 21:26:54 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] OT: Port forward help [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: <20080925063146.GA6953@hillnet.local> References: <20080924103942.GA9070@hillnet.local> <20080925063146.GA6953@hillnet.local> Message-ID: <20080927092640.GA7194@hillnet.local> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 or thereabouts, Roland Hill came forth with: > > Assuming your 'router' is also NATing, > > As long as the pinhole loaded in your 'modem' points at the Router, and a > > long s the pinhole in your router points to your end host, and > > appropriate routing exists for bidirectional comms, you should be fine - > > though double-NAT is hardly ideal. For the records, I solved it due to info on this site: http://www.ben.geek.nz/adsl-routing-solution-in-detail/ Which I found here (thanks WLUG): http://www.wlug.org.nz/Half%20bridge%20with%20PPPoA .. it also pays to use the correct username in the DDNS settings :-) -- Regards, Roland PGP Key 0xDA39319B = BCF0 1214 BAE9 5A3D 46FC 21A6 360D 9398 DA39 319B -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/aucklug/attachments/20080927/5c4caae5/attachment.pgp