From freakalad at hotmail.com Mon Nov 3 10:08:59 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Nov 3 10:09:07 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG meeting finalised? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Nevyn, So, is the following info current & accurate? All concerned agreed? Where: Claire Inn, Dominion Rd, Mt.Eden (my geography's a bit whack, so this *may* be off) When: Thursday the 6th @ 20h00 What: AuckLUG meet re whatever (Ibex? Cloud/NetBooks? Censorship?) Please confirm, deny & amend - Jaco _________________________________________________________________ Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services http://get.live.com From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Mon Nov 3 10:51:05 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Mon Nov 3 10:46:02 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG meeting finalised? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <490E20C9.8040405@symsys-it.co.nz> I'm there Alex Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Hi Nevyn, > > So, is the following info current & accurate? All concerned agreed? > > Where: Claire Inn, Dominion Rd, Mt.Eden (my geography's a bit whack, so this *may* be off) > When: Thursday the 6th @ 20h00 > What: AuckLUG meet re whatever (Ibex? Cloud/NetBooks? Censorship?) > > Please confirm, deny & amend > > - Jaco > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services > http://get.live.com > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 11:08:48 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Nov 3 11:08:53 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG meeting finalised? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Right you are... I'll send out the annoucement... On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > Hi Nevyn, > > So, is the following info current & accurate? All concerned agreed? > > Where: Claire Inn, Dominion Rd, Mt.Eden (my geography's a bit whack, so this *may* be off) > When: Thursday the 6th @ 20h00 > What: AuckLUG meet re whatever (Ibex? Cloud/NetBooks? Censorship?) > > Please confirm, deny & amend > > - Jaco > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services > http://get.live.com > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 11:10:56 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Nov 3 11:11:03 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG November Meet and Greet Message-ID: Following a discussion on a meeting for November, the following meeting has been organised: Where: The Clare Inn 274-278 Dominion Road, Mt Eden, Auckland When: Thursday the 8th at 8pm What: General meet and greet. A chance for LUG members to meet each other over a pint or two. Additional Notes: Given that no under-aged members of AuckLUG put their hands up for attendance, a pub as a venue has been decided. Regards, Nevyn. From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Mon Nov 3 11:36:17 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Mon Nov 3 11:31:11 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG November Meet and Greet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <490E2B61.1030205@symsys-it.co.nz> I think you mean 6th though and not 8th? Alex Nevyn wrote: > Following a discussion on a meeting for November, the following > meeting has been organised: > > Where: > The Clare Inn > 274-278 Dominion Road, Mt Eden, Auckland > > When: > Thursday the 8th at 8pm > > What: > General meet and greet. A chance for LUG members to meet each > other over a pint or two. > > Additional Notes: > Given that no under-aged members of AuckLUG put their hands up > for attendance, a pub as a venue has been decided. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 12:25:23 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Nov 3 12:25:29 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG November Meet and Greet In-Reply-To: <490E2B61.1030205@symsys-it.co.nz> References: <490E2B61.1030205@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: Right you are... I'm at work - you don't really expect me to be awake as well do you? On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Alex Williams wrote: > I think you mean 6th though and not 8th? > > Alex > > > Nevyn wrote: >> >> Following a discussion on a meeting for November, the following >> meeting has been organised: >> >> Where: >> The Clare Inn >> 274-278 Dominion Road, Mt Eden, Auckland >> >> When: >> Thursday the 8th at 8pm >> >> What: >> General meet and greet. A chance for LUG members to meet each >> other over a pint or two. >> >> Additional Notes: >> Given that no under-aged members of AuckLUG put their hands up >> for attendance, a pub as a venue has been decided. >> >> Regards, >> Nevyn. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Mon Nov 3 12:37:43 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Mon Nov 3 12:32:39 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG November Meet and Greet In-Reply-To: References: <490E2B61.1030205@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <490E39C7.4040607@symsys-it.co.nz> Considering I work from home so can literally roll out of bed and onto my computer chair, I'd expect you to be more awake than me lol. Alex Nevyn wrote: > Right you are... I'm at work - you don't really expect me to be awake > as well do you? > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Alex Williams wrote: > >> I think you mean 6th though and not 8th? >> >> Alex >> >> >> Nevyn wrote: >> >>> Following a discussion on a meeting for November, the following >>> meeting has been organised: >>> >>> Where: >>> The Clare Inn >>> 274-278 Dominion Road, Mt Eden, Auckland >>> >>> When: >>> Thursday the 8th at 8pm >>> >>> What: >>> General meet and greet. A chance for LUG members to meet each >>> other over a pint or two. >>> >>> Additional Notes: >>> Given that no under-aged members of AuckLUG put their hands up >>> for attendance, a pub as a venue has been decided. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nevyn. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 12:40:35 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Nov 3 12:40:41 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG November Meet and Greet In-Reply-To: <490E39C7.4040607@symsys-it.co.nz> References: <490E2B61.1030205@symsys-it.co.nz> <490E39C7.4040607@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: There's only so much coffee I can consume in a day. Apparently it's not enough ;) On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Alex Williams wrote: > Considering I work from home so can literally roll out of bed and onto my > computer chair, I'd expect you to be more awake than me lol. > > Alex > > > Nevyn wrote: >> >> Right you are... I'm at work - you don't really expect me to be awake >> as well do you? >> >> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Alex Williams >> wrote: >> >>> >>> I think you mean 6th though and not 8th? >>> >>> Alex >>> >>> >>> Nevyn wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Following a discussion on a meeting for November, the following >>>> meeting has been organised: >>>> >>>> Where: >>>> The Clare Inn >>>> 274-278 Dominion Road, Mt Eden, Auckland >>>> >>>> When: >>>> Thursday the 8th at 8pm >>>> >>>> What: >>>> General meet and greet. A chance for LUG members to meet each >>>> other over a pint or two. >>>> >>>> Additional Notes: >>>> Given that no under-aged members of AuckLUG put their hands up >>>> for attendance, a pub as a venue has been decided. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nevyn. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AuckLUG mailing list >>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 12:19:45 2008 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Nov 4 12:19:52 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] help requested for fixing an ubuntu box Message-ID: <2f3aa2770811031519td9983dchf652912531b97d0f@mail.gmail.com> hi all, i've had a major problem with the recent ubuntu upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10. when i ran the upgrade tool it complained about lots of missing packages (about 50 i guess), but provided no option for stopping the install (apart from pulling the power, which seemed very bad on balance). the upgrade completed, but then the system wouldn't boot, hanging with an error about glibc missing i've tried booting form a live cd and fixing it there via chroot, but apt won't run, and dpkg is having problems - apparently the same thing again, glibc is missing then i manually copied glibc into the correct location, but have dug myself even deeper, and get lots of segfaults on boot, before it gets to the glibc error could anyone offer some advice? or even better, lend a hand fixing? thanks rob From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Tue Nov 4 12:40:37 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Tue Nov 4 12:35:30 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] help requested for fixing an ubuntu box In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770811031519td9983dchf652912531b97d0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770811031519td9983dchf652912531b97d0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <490F8BF5.1010208@symsys-it.co.nz> Ouch that doesn't sound like fun, sorry to hear that Rob. Unfortunately at this point I personally think you'd be better off pulling any data you've got and re-installing, once you get glibc and gcc problems, it can be very hard and sometimes impossible to bring it back. The amount of time you'll spend trying to fix this is probably going to be a LOT more than the time it would take to backup your files, re-install and then setup your programs again. I recommend 8.04 instead of installing 8.10, I was in the Kubuntu/Ubuntu IRC channels last night and there are a lot of problems being reported with 8.10, some that just shouldn't exist at all and some that are simply regressions which will get fixed. I haven't upgraded to 8.10 and am considering going over to Lenny instead of Kubuntu now to be honest. I know Lenny is supposedly a Beta2 at the moment still but I did a test install of it a few weeks back and wrote a review on it and it's pretty damn stable to me. I know it's never good to have to re-install the entire system, but maybe take it as a chance to have a completely clean system build again and start a fresh? Alex Robin Paulson wrote: > hi all, > i've had a major problem with the recent ubuntu upgrade from 8.04 to > 8.10. when i ran the upgrade tool it complained about lots of missing > packages (about 50 i guess), but provided no option for stopping the > install (apart from pulling the power, which seemed very bad on > balance). the upgrade completed, but then the system wouldn't boot, > hanging with an error about glibc missing > > i've tried booting form a live cd and fixing it there via chroot, but > apt won't run, and dpkg is having problems - apparently the same thing > again, glibc is missing > > then i manually copied glibc into the correct location, but have dug > myself even deeper, and get lots of segfaults on boot, before it gets > to the glibc error > > could anyone offer some advice? or even better, lend a hand fixing? > > thanks > > rob > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 12:42:51 2008 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Nov 4 12:42:56 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] help requested for fixing an ubuntu box In-Reply-To: <490F8BF5.1010208@symsys-it.co.nz> References: <2f3aa2770811031519td9983dchf652912531b97d0f@mail.gmail.com> <490F8BF5.1010208@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770811031542r6806a2bbl4bc462d3e5b9f059@mail.gmail.com> 2008/11/4 Alex Williams : > I know it's never good to have to re-install the entire system, but maybe > take it as a chance to have a completely clean system build again and start > a fresh? ok, thanks for the advice alex, i'll bear it in mind actually, i was intending to use this as an opportunity for a learning experience, to get a hosed system up and running again. it appears to be more complicated than i originally though, hence the request for a nod in the right direction one idea that occurred to me, was to reinstall over the top of what's there, while keeping my data. is this possible (and a sane idea) - would my /home partition stand up to this, and keep all my data and settings? From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Tue Nov 4 13:07:18 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Tue Nov 4 13:02:11 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] help requested for fixing an ubuntu box In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770811031542r6806a2bbl4bc462d3e5b9f059@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770811031519td9983dchf652912531b97d0f@mail.gmail.com> <490F8BF5.1010208@symsys-it.co.nz> <2f3aa2770811031542r6806a2bbl4bc462d3e5b9f059@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <490F9236.9070605@symsys-it.co.nz> Robin Paulson wrote: > 2008/11/4 Alex Williams : > >> I know it's never good to have to re-install the entire system, but maybe >> take it as a chance to have a completely clean system build again and start >> a fresh? >> > > ok, thanks for the advice alex, i'll bear it in mind > > actually, i was intending to use this as an opportunity for a learning > experience, to get a hosed system up and running again. it appears to > be more complicated than i originally though, hence the request for a > nod in the right direction > > one idea that occurred to me, was to reinstall over the top of what's > there, while keeping my data. is this possible (and a sane idea) - > would my /home partition stand up to this, and keep all my data and > settings? > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > Is your home partition mounted as a partition or just as a file in your file system? If it's a partition, then yes you could install around it quite easily with the installer. I wouldn't recommend installing over the top however, I don't think the programs etc will stand up to it as such. Unfortunately this still falls back in the category of a re-install because, my method here would be to make my home directory a separate partition, then install my system around it and mount the home partition in the appropriate place in your new file system. Ubuntu by default however if left to it's own devices will not install the home directory as a separate partition, it just integrates it. I like and understand the desire to learn from this, but I think the main thing you should take away from this is that something which wasn't your fault, has caused something to happen, which you can quite easily do through your own stupidity sometimes and quite easily. I once removed glibc from a gentoo system I was running (Not directly either but by removing something else, which I should have known would remove glibc), that was the biggest mistake I could make on Gentoo, there's just no pleasant road back from it. Coming back from the loss of glibc isn't something I'd want to talk someone through, I'd have to have a feel for the system itself and see the errors it was producing up close etc, otherwise I might be doing more harm than good if I didn't fully understand an error properly or the user didn't realise that they left out an important detail when telling me something about it. Sorry dude. Alex From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 13:22:45 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Nov 4 13:22:53 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] help requested for fixing an ubuntu box In-Reply-To: <490F9236.9070605@symsys-it.co.nz> References: <2f3aa2770811031519td9983dchf652912531b97d0f@mail.gmail.com> <490F8BF5.1010208@symsys-it.co.nz> <2f3aa2770811031542r6806a2bbl4bc462d3e5b9f059@mail.gmail.com> <490F9236.9070605@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Alex Williams wrote: > Is your home partition mounted as a partition or just as a file in your file > system? If it's a partition, then yes you could install around it quite > easily with the installer. I wouldn't recommend installing over the top > however, I don't think the programs etc will stand up to it as such. > Unfortunately this still falls back in the category of a re-install because, > my method here would be to make my home directory a separate partition, then > install my system around it and mount the home partition in the appropriate > place in your new file system. Ubuntu by default however if left to it's own > devices will not install the home directory as a separate partition, it just > integrates it. > > I like and understand the desire to learn from this, but I think the main > thing you should take away from this is that something which wasn't your > fault, has caused something to happen, which you can quite easily do through > your own stupidity sometimes and quite easily. I once removed glibc from a > gentoo system I was running (Not directly either but by removing something > else, which I should have known would remove glibc), that was the biggest > mistake I could make on Gentoo, there's just no pleasant road back from it. > > Coming back from the loss of glibc isn't something I'd want to talk someone > through, I'd have to have a feel for the system itself and see the errors it > was producing up close etc, otherwise I might be doing more harm than good > if I didn't fully understand an error properly or the user didn't realise > that they left out an important detail when telling me something about it. > > Sorry dude. > > Alex You could try doing a non-destructive partitioning using something like GParted off a livecd to create a home drive and then copy/move your home directory contents there. That would make things a little more robust in the future if you ever need to reinstall again. One of the first things I was told when I got my first PC was "don't be afraid to break things. Just make sure you have the structure there to be able to start again". Putting the contents of your /home directory on a seperate partition would be that structure. Also, a few years ago (1999), I started playing with something called phat linux which was an image which ran from a fat32 partition. Kind of cool. Anyway, I played with it for a little while and then found the Linux From Scratch project. Although I never did finish it and get a working system, I did learn an awful lot. I wouldn't recommend this now - running Linux from a fat32 image as it required dos, but sinking your teeth into an awful project like LFS isn't such a bad idea. Not a terribly good one, but not overly bad either. Regards, Nevyn. From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Tue Nov 4 13:41:28 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Tue Nov 4 13:36:16 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] help requested for fixing an ubuntu box In-Reply-To: References: <2f3aa2770811031519td9983dchf652912531b97d0f@mail.gmail.com> <490F8BF5.1010208@symsys-it.co.nz> <2f3aa2770811031542r6806a2bbl4bc462d3e5b9f059@mail.gmail.com> <490F9236.9070605@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <490F9A38.8040501@symsys-it.co.nz> Nevyn wrote: > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Alex Williams wrote: > >> Is your home partition mounted as a partition or just as a file in your file >> system? If it's a partition, then yes you could install around it quite >> easily with the installer. I wouldn't recommend installing over the top >> however, I don't think the programs etc will stand up to it as such. >> Unfortunately this still falls back in the category of a re-install because, >> my method here would be to make my home directory a separate partition, then >> install my system around it and mount the home partition in the appropriate >> place in your new file system. Ubuntu by default however if left to it's own >> devices will not install the home directory as a separate partition, it just >> integrates it. >> >> I like and understand the desire to learn from this, but I think the main >> thing you should take away from this is that something which wasn't your >> fault, has caused something to happen, which you can quite easily do through >> your own stupidity sometimes and quite easily. I once removed glibc from a >> gentoo system I was running (Not directly either but by removing something >> else, which I should have known would remove glibc), that was the biggest >> mistake I could make on Gentoo, there's just no pleasant road back from it. >> >> Coming back from the loss of glibc isn't something I'd want to talk someone >> through, I'd have to have a feel for the system itself and see the errors it >> was producing up close etc, otherwise I might be doing more harm than good >> if I didn't fully understand an error properly or the user didn't realise >> that they left out an important detail when telling me something about it. >> >> Sorry dude. >> >> Alex >> > > You could try doing a non-destructive partitioning using something > like GParted off a livecd to create a home drive and then copy/move > your home directory contents there. That would make things a little > more robust in the future if you ever need to reinstall again. > > One of the first things I was told when I got my first PC was "don't > be afraid to break things. Just make sure you have the structure there > to be able to start again". Putting the contents of your /home > directory on a seperate partition would be that structure. > > Also, a few years ago (1999), I started playing with something called > phat linux which was an image which ran from a fat32 partition. Kind > of cool. Anyway, I played with it for a little while and then found > the Linux From Scratch project. Although I never did finish it and get > a working system, I did learn an awful lot. I wouldn't recommend this > now - running Linux from a fat32 image as it required dos, but sinking > your teeth into an awful project like LFS isn't such a bad idea. Not a > terribly good one, but not overly bad either. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > I love the way you articulate yourself Nevyn, that was what I was trying to say about the home partition, but didn't really explain it very well. I wouldn't mind having a look at LFS myself actually, been meaning to for some time. Been concentrating on going backwards lately in order to know what I need to know, to pass my LPIC, for some reason to pass that exam you need to know a lot of stuff about legacy systems, stuff you used to know but have long since forgotten kinda stuff. Alex From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 13:37:19 2008 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Nov 4 13:37:24 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] help requested for fixing an ubuntu box In-Reply-To: <490F9236.9070605@symsys-it.co.nz> References: <2f3aa2770811031519td9983dchf652912531b97d0f@mail.gmail.com> <490F8BF5.1010208@symsys-it.co.nz> <2f3aa2770811031542r6806a2bbl4bc462d3e5b9f059@mail.gmail.com> <490F9236.9070605@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770811031637t21ce26ccm33858809d2b8e1f2@mail.gmail.com> 2008/11/4 Alex Williams : > Is your home partition mounted as a partition or just as a file in your file > system? If it's a partition, then yes you could install around it quite yes, it's a separate partition > easily with the installer. I wouldn't recommend installing over the top > however, I don't think the programs etc will stand up to it as such. my terminology is probably wrong, installing round it is more than likely what i mean > Unfortunately this still falls back in the category of a re-install because, > my method here would be to make my home directory a separate partition, then > install my system around it and mount the home partition in the appropriate that's what i was thinking of doing > I like and understand the desire to learn from this, but I think the main > thing you should take away from this is that something which wasn't your > fault, has caused something to happen, which you can quite easily do through > your own stupidity sometimes and quite easily. I once removed glibc from a > gentoo system I was running (Not directly either but by removing something > else, which I should have known would remove glibc), that was the biggest > mistake I could make on Gentoo, there's just no pleasant road back from it. > > Coming back from the loss of glibc isn't something I'd want to talk someone > through, I'd have to have a feel for the system itself and see the errors it > was producing up close etc, otherwise I might be doing more harm than good > if I didn't fully understand an error properly or the user didn't realise > that they left out an important detail when telling me something about it. am i generally going down the right path with manually copying the files to the correct position, or is that pure insanity? i think my problems with the segfaults were due to using the wrong version (i was booting from a 7.04 disk and didn't realise). once i've got glibc back, i'm confident i can use chroot to get the rest of the system up to speed. for all it's stability, this is the fourth reinstall i'll have done since originally putting 6.10 on that machine 2 years back. that's more often than i reinstall windows.... From nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz Tue Nov 4 13:44:16 2008 From: nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz (Glen Ogilvie) Date: Tue Nov 4 13:44:23 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] help requested for fixing an ubuntu box In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770811031519td9983dchf652912531b97d0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770811031519td9983dchf652912531b97d0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, You might be able to get a package list of what you have installed by booting from the live cd, then without chrooting, get dkpg to read your current installed packages, maybe by linking in parts of /var into your live cd environment. A straight upgrade from CD may or may not work, and you might be in for a reinstall, unless you managed to remove all the packages before doing the install, which is probably difficult.. and easier to just backup /home /var/ and /etc. I've seen this sort of problem happen when you have custom repositories added into your distro before you do the upgrade. manually copying glibc files into the right place probably results in more complications, because you can't then install the glibc package, which all your other packages will probably depend on. My suggestions if you absolutely don't want to task the easy way out (backup, re-install). is: 1. backup all files (so you can't make stuff worse) 2. get dpkg working from a live cd / alternative system (maybe install on a USB stick). 3. mount your broken sysmtem drive 4. from your live cd/usb install, do something like: dpkg -l --root=/mnt/brokensystem (this should read the dpkg database) 5. remove the glic dir you copied into the right place 6. use dpkg with --root=/mnt/brokensystem to install glibc. It will fail, because of some dependancy. Remove installed packages that it conflicts with, and install dependancies. 7. install other packages you need 8. try and boot your system to runlevel 1. Note, I might have missed sometime, I don't use ubuntu as my everyday distro. Regards Glen Ogilvie On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:19:45 +1300, "Robin Paulson" wrote: > hi all, > i've had a major problem with the recent ubuntu upgrade from 8.04 to > 8.10. when i ran the upgrade tool it complained about lots of missing > packages (about 50 i guess), but provided no option for stopping the > install (apart from pulling the power, which seemed very bad on > balance). the upgrade completed, but then the system wouldn't boot, > hanging with an error about glibc missing > > i've tried booting form a live cd and fixing it there via chroot, but > apt won't run, and dpkg is having problems - apparently the same thing > again, glibc is missing > > then i manually copied glibc into the correct location, but have dug > myself even deeper, and get lots of segfaults on boot, before it gets > to the glibc error > > could anyone offer some advice? or even better, lend a hand fixing? > > thanks > > rob > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 13:44:40 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Nov 4 13:44:45 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] help requested for fixing an ubuntu box In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770811031637t21ce26ccm33858809d2b8e1f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770811031519td9983dchf652912531b97d0f@mail.gmail.com> <490F8BF5.1010208@symsys-it.co.nz> <2f3aa2770811031542r6806a2bbl4bc462d3e5b9f059@mail.gmail.com> <490F9236.9070605@symsys-it.co.nz> <2f3aa2770811031637t21ce26ccm33858809d2b8e1f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2008/11/4 Alex Williams : > for all it's stability, this is the fourth reinstall i'll have done > since originally putting 6.10 on that machine 2 years back. that's > more often than i reinstall windows.... Initially I went through a rapid cycle of reformatting and reinstalling. I put it down to learning curve and wanting to try different things. I think back when I was starting out the big distro's were Red Hat, Mandrake and Debian. Debian, due to it's long release cycle I suspect, wouldn't configure x by default on my system. Mandrake just never appealed. It felt too.... abstracted. Red Hat became my distro of choice though that became too fluffly for my liking as well. I'm now an Ubuntu guy. Anyway, back to the point - I did all sorts of silly things like formated my /boot partition and trying to figure out why things weren't booting. Went through dependancy hell only to find that for some strange reason I couldn't change my version of libc (I wonder why...) just to get some silly game or something else just as trivial working. For all it's stability, Linux still isn't user-proof. Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 13:51:10 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Nov 4 13:51:16 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] help requested for fixing an ubuntu box In-Reply-To: <490F9A38.8040501@symsys-it.co.nz> References: <2f3aa2770811031519td9983dchf652912531b97d0f@mail.gmail.com> <490F8BF5.1010208@symsys-it.co.nz> <2f3aa2770811031542r6806a2bbl4bc462d3e5b9f059@mail.gmail.com> <490F9236.9070605@symsys-it.co.nz> <490F9A38.8040501@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Alex Williams wrote: > > Nevyn wrote: >> You could try doing a non-destructive partitioning using something >> like GParted off a livecd to create a home drive and then copy/move >> your home directory contents there. That would make things a little >> more robust in the future if you ever need to reinstall again. >> >> One of the first things I was told when I got my first PC was "don't >> be afraid to break things. Just make sure you have the structure there >> to be able to start again". Putting the contents of your /home >> directory on a seperate partition would be that structure. >> >> Also, a few years ago (1999), I started playing with something called >> phat linux which was an image which ran from a fat32 partition. Kind >> of cool. Anyway, I played with it for a little while and then found >> the Linux From Scratch project. Although I never did finish it and get >> a working system, I did learn an awful lot. I wouldn't recommend this >> now - running Linux from a fat32 image as it required dos, but sinking >> your teeth into an awful project like LFS isn't such a bad idea. Not a >> terribly good one, but not overly bad either. >> >> Regards, >> Nevyn. >> > > I love the way you articulate yourself Nevyn, that was what I was trying to > say about the home partition, but didn't really explain it very well. I > wouldn't mind having a look at LFS myself actually, been meaning to for some > time. Been concentrating on going backwards lately in order to know what I > need to know, to pass my LPIC, for some reason to pass that exam you need to > know a lot of stuff about legacy systems, stuff you used to know but have > long since forgotten kinda stuff. > > Alex Who are you doing your LPIC with? I was looking at it about a year ago and found the only place that seemed to have it in NZ was seek learning so I enquired. I was disgusted with the email I got back. 10 colour changes within a single email as well as font changes which didn't dictate any logical structure. It looked like it had been cut and pasted from somewhere else and looked like spam or otherwise one of those ransom notes achived by cutting out letters from magazines. I let them know what I thought of their email as well. I was further shocked and stunned when the guy who had sent me the email phoned me about it. A few more emails down the track and I managed to convince them not to send me anymore rubbish emails. From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Tue Nov 4 14:05:47 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Tue Nov 4 14:01:02 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] help requested for fixing an ubuntu box In-Reply-To: References: <2f3aa2770811031519td9983dchf652912531b97d0f@mail.gmail.com> <490F8BF5.1010208@symsys-it.co.nz> <2f3aa2770811031542r6806a2bbl4bc462d3e5b9f059@mail.gmail.com> <490F9236.9070605@symsys-it.co.nz> <490F9A38.8040501@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <490F9FEB.8050905@symsys-it.co.nz> Nevyn wrote: > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Alex Williams wrote: > >> Nevyn wrote: >> >>> You could try doing a non-destructive partitioning using something >>> like GParted off a livecd to create a home drive and then copy/move >>> your home directory contents there. That would make things a little >>> more robust in the future if you ever need to reinstall again. >>> >>> One of the first things I was told when I got my first PC was "don't >>> be afraid to break things. Just make sure you have the structure there >>> to be able to start again". Putting the contents of your /home >>> directory on a seperate partition would be that structure. >>> >>> Also, a few years ago (1999), I started playing with something called >>> phat linux which was an image which ran from a fat32 partition. Kind >>> of cool. Anyway, I played with it for a little while and then found >>> the Linux From Scratch project. Although I never did finish it and get >>> a working system, I did learn an awful lot. I wouldn't recommend this >>> now - running Linux from a fat32 image as it required dos, but sinking >>> your teeth into an awful project like LFS isn't such a bad idea. Not a >>> terribly good one, but not overly bad either. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nevyn. >>> >>> >> I love the way you articulate yourself Nevyn, that was what I was trying to >> say about the home partition, but didn't really explain it very well. I >> wouldn't mind having a look at LFS myself actually, been meaning to for some >> time. Been concentrating on going backwards lately in order to know what I >> need to know, to pass my LPIC, for some reason to pass that exam you need to >> know a lot of stuff about legacy systems, stuff you used to know but have >> long since forgotten kinda stuff. >> >> Alex >> > > Who are you doing your LPIC with? > > I was looking at it about a year ago and found the only place that > seemed to have it in NZ was seek learning so I enquired. I was > disgusted with the email I got back. 10 colour changes within a single > email as well as font changes which didn't dictate any logical > structure. It looked like it had been cut and pasted from somewhere > else and looked like spam or otherwise one of those ransom notes > achived by cutting out letters from magazines. > > I let them know what I thought of their email as well. I was further > shocked and stunned when the guy who had sent me the email phoned me > about it. A few more emails down the track and I managed to convince > them not to send me anymore rubbish emails. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > I'm prepping myself for it, using IBMs developerworks tutorials and various other guides, tutorials, mock tests etc I've found online. Once I think I'm ready I'll just sort out a test at the testing center in New Lynn, roll up and take it. Same way I did my CCNA. Alex From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Tue Nov 4 20:45:50 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Tue Nov 4 20:40:37 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Have your voice heard, turn up to the AuckLUG meeting on Thursday 6th November at 8pm Message-ID: <490FFDAE.7090106@symsys-it.co.nz> Come on people, let's hear who's coming to this meet, so far I think it's me, Nevyn and Jaco going for a pint and that's about it, which is fine, but would be nice to see some others, don't care if you're ugly or fat because I'm both so come down and say hi. Alex From kyle at iconz.co.nz Tue Nov 4 20:44:53 2008 From: kyle at iconz.co.nz (Kyle Hargraves) Date: Tue Nov 4 20:45:15 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Have your voice heard, turn up to the AuckLUG meeting on Thursday 6th November at 8pm In-Reply-To: <490FFDAE.7090106@symsys-it.co.nz> References: <490FFDAE.7090106@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: On 04/11/2008, at 8:45 PM, Alex Williams wrote: > Come on people, let's hear who's coming to this meet, so far I > think it's me, Nevyn and Jaco going for a pint and that's about it, > which is fine, but would be nice to see some others, don't care if > you're ugly or fat because I'm both so come down and say hi. > > Alex I'll be there and I suspect a fair few others too (who don't have the energy to respond to your email) cheers, Kyle From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Tue Nov 4 20:54:24 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Tue Nov 4 20:49:01 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Have your voice heard, turn up to the AuckLUG meeting on Thursday 6th November at 8pm In-Reply-To: References: <490FFDAE.7090106@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <490FFFB0.5020708@symsys-it.co.nz> Kyle Hargraves wrote: > > On 04/11/2008, at 8:45 PM, Alex Williams wrote: > >> Come on people, let's hear who's coming to this meet, so far I think >> it's me, Nevyn and Jaco going for a pint and that's about it, which >> is fine, but would be nice to see some others, don't care if you're >> ugly or fat because I'm both so come down and say hi. >> >> Alex > > I'll be there and I suspect a fair few others too (who don't have the > energy to respond to your email) > > cheers, Kyle Good to hear, see you there Kyle. Any others with energy? If this is a problem do we need to arrange some red bull sponsorship for the event? :D From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 21:16:13 2008 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Nov 4 21:16:23 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Have your voice heard, turn up to the AuckLUG meeting on Thursday 6th November at 8pm In-Reply-To: <490FFDAE.7090106@symsys-it.co.nz> References: <490FFDAE.7090106@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770811040016s2658bbebs3056e07850c25a69@mail.gmail.com> yeah, i should be able to make it 2008/11/4 Alex Williams : > Come on people, let's hear who's coming to this meet, so far I think it's > me, Nevyn and Jaco going for a pint and that's about it, which is fine, but > would be nice to see some others, don't care if you're ugly or fat because > I'm both so come down and say hi. From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Nov 5 11:41:36 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Nov 5 11:41:54 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Admin Changes to the Auckland LUG Message-ID: <52209.119.15.0.26.1225838496.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Hi Everyone, Just wanted to keep you updated on some recent changes behind the scenes with the Auckland LUG. As you're aware the Auckland Linux Users Group has been 'a little stalled' of late. Unfortunately for the LUG, the admin team of Joel van Velden and Scott Newton have both simultaneously been 'busy' with personal matters and as a result there's been a big slowdown in AuckLUG organised activity over the last few months. Unfortunately due to personal circumstances Joel has stepped down as an Auckland LUG Administrator. Joel, thanks heaps for all your time and effort over the years and we hope you won't go away entirely. I've also spoken with Scott Newton; he's been pretty busy too over the last couple of years (and we were aware of the fact he'd stepped back, but not away), and he's hoping to become more active again over the next few months. We've also brought a couple of new people into the fold: Martin Kealey, who is of the 'old school' and has been involved in NZLUG/AuckLUG events for quite a while, has agreed to join in and help coordinate Auckland LUG events going forward. His efforts will start with attempting to tee up a formal event for the first Monday in December, and I believe he's going to try to make it on Thursday. Thanks to Martin for agreeing to step up. Nevyn Hira, who's also been involved with the LUG a number of years now, has also agreed to join the team as an event coordinator and AuckLUG POC. You all know Nevyn from his contributions to the LUG and I'm sure you'll join me in welcoming him officially to the Admin group. Finally, i'm making something of a return as Mailing List moderator. As you're possibly aware I deliberately stepped down from this role when I left Auckland in order that management of the group remain 'local'. I'm confident though with Scott, Martin and Nevyn driving the 'event' side of the LUG that this aspect is well in hand. I will be focussing on supporting them where I can. Hopefully then you'll get a chance to meet some or all of the powers behind AuckLUG on Thursday, and again at the meeting in December. Any queries, please feel free to fire them at any or all of us. Cheers Mark Foster. From darrylovens at infogen.net.nz Wed Nov 5 17:06:16 2008 From: darrylovens at infogen.net.nz (Darryl Ovens) Date: Wed Nov 5 17:07:42 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Have your voice heard, turn up to the AuckLUG meeting on Thursday 6th November at 8pm Message-ID: <49111BB8.8030102@infogen.net.nz> Hi all, I want to come to this meeting but it clashes with sea scouts, and I'm their boat master, Unfortunately for me the first Monday in the month happens to also be the local Forrest and Bird meeting night, so I would probably only make it to one or two during the year. Based in Northcross (Albany) I am keen for there to be some North Shore meetings (hopefully on a different night). Did anything come of the Massey Uni venue offer? I was not in a position to follow it at the time due to a rush job at work coinciding with getting a paper together for a conference. Cheers Darryl Ovens >Message: 6 >Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:45:50 +1300 >From: Alex Williams >Subject: [AuckLUG] Have your voice heard, turn up to the AuckLUG > meeting on Thursday 6th November at 8pm >To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list >Message-ID: <490FFDAE.7090106@symsys-it.co.nz> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Come on people, let's hear who's coming to this meet, so far I think >it's me, Nevyn and Jaco going for a pint and that's about it, which is >fine, but would be nice to see some others, don't care if you're ugly or >fat because I'm both so come down and say hi. > >Alex > > From g.kloss at massey.ac.nz Wed Nov 5 17:23:59 2008 From: g.kloss at massey.ac.nz (Guy K. Kloss) Date: Wed Nov 5 17:24:07 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Have your voice heard, turn up to the AuckLUG meeting on Thursday 6th November at 8pm In-Reply-To: <49111BB8.8030102@infogen.net.nz> References: <49111BB8.8030102@infogen.net.nz> Message-ID: <200811051723.59830.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:06:16 Darryl Ovens wrote: > Based in Northcross (Albany) I am keen for there to be some North Shore > meetings (hopefully on a different night). > Did anything come of the Massey Uni venue offer? I could see into trying to get a venue here for a meeting. We'd just need to decide on a day so that I can check with facilities management for availability. It has been suggested a while back to try out meetings alternating between a central AKL venue and local meetings. Any calls on this idea? Unfortunately I cannot make this Thursday (or most Thursdays in general, unless we'll start quite late) to discuss this with others. Guy -- Guy K. Kloss Institute of Information and Mathematical Sciences Te Kura Putaiao o Mohiohio me Pangarau Room 2.63, Quad Block A Building Massey University, Auckland, Albany Private Bag 102 904, North Shore Mail Centre voice: +64 9 414-0800 ext. 9585 fax: +64 9 441-8181 eMail: G.Kloss@massey.ac.nz http://iims.massey.ac.nz From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 18:11:53 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Nov 5 18:12:07 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Have your voice heard, turn up to the AuckLUG meeting on Thursday 6th November at 8pm In-Reply-To: <200811051723.59830.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> References: <49111BB8.8030102@infogen.net.nz> <200811051723.59830.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Guy K. Kloss wrote: > On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:06:16 Darryl Ovens wrote: >> Based in Northcross (Albany) I am keen for there to be some North Shore >> meetings (hopefully on a different night). >> Did anything come of the Massey Uni venue offer? > > I could see into trying to get a venue here for a meeting. We'd just need to > decide on a day so that I can check with facilities management for > availability. > > It has been suggested a while back to try out meetings alternating between a > central AKL venue and local meetings. Any calls on this idea? Unfortunately I > cannot make this Thursday (or most Thursdays in general, unless we'll start > quite late) to discuss this with others. > > Guy > > -- > Guy K. Kloss *Groan* Guys, give us a chance to get into the role. At the moment, as things stand: Tomorrow night's meeting was never intended to be an "official" meeting but rather a meet and greet in order to bring a more social feeling to the LUG. So if you can't make it, cool. It's quite probably not going to be a regular thing although I hope to establish a regular meet and greet type meeting at some point. Jaco has formed a relationship with the internet cafe, WharfIT (located in Devonport), that the SFD event was held at and is organizing a regular meeting there. I think it's weekly on a Monday? >From what I know, participation to this is lacking despite the calls for a North Shore Linux meeting. Martin or Scott I think are organizing a 1st Monday of the month meeting for next month. Refer to the email that Mark Foster sent out earlier today. And finally, you've got to remember that we can't cateer for everyone. Days which are good for you aren't necessarily good for everyone else and we end up in this situation where either we have a meeting once a year in order to find a date that's suitable for everyone, or pick a date and see who turns up. Traditionally meetings have been on the first Monday of the month and I don't really see this changing. Lets have a chat about all of this first before diving into organising yet another meeting. Regards, Nevyn From lilypatch at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 18:37:38 2008 From: lilypatch at gmail.com (David Bowen) Date: Wed Nov 5 18:37:57 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Have your voice heard, turn up to the AuckLUG meeting on Thursday 6th November at 8pm In-Reply-To: <490FFDAE.7090106@symsys-it.co.nz> References: <490FFDAE.7090106@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <49113122.9050301@gmail.com> Alex Williams wrote: > Come on people, let's hear who's coming to this meet, so far I think > it's me, Nevyn and Jaco going for a pint and that's about it, which is > fine, but would be nice to see some others, don't care if you're ugly > or fat because I'm both so come down and say hi. > > Alex > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > Working late, but may get there! David From wrooney at ihug.co.nz Wed Nov 5 20:06:21 2008 From: wrooney at ihug.co.nz (Wayne Rooney) Date: Wed Nov 5 20:05:58 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Have your voice heard, turn up to the AuckLUG meeting on Thursday 6th November at 8pm In-Reply-To: References: <49111BB8.8030102@infogen.net.nz> <200811051723.59830.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <200811052006.21716.wrooney@ihug.co.nz> On Wednesday 05 November 2008 18:11, Nevyn wrote: > Traditionally meetings have been on the > first Monday of the month and I don't really see this changing. Excellent. The first Thursday of the month conflicts with the HLUG meetings and I like to try and get to both :-) Cheers, Wayne From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Wed Nov 5 21:58:47 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Wed Nov 5 21:53:03 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Have your voice heard, turn up to the AuckLUG meeting on Thursday 6th November at 8pm In-Reply-To: <200811052006.21716.wrooney@ihug.co.nz> References: <49111BB8.8030102@infogen.net.nz> <200811051723.59830.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> <200811052006.21716.wrooney@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <49116047.6060206@symsys-it.co.nz> Nice to see so many responses, I'm looking forward to this. See everyone (That's coming that is :D) tomorrow night. If I'm late it's because I can't find the place, never been there before. Alex From steven at openmedia.co.nz Wed Nov 5 23:15:38 2008 From: steven at openmedia.co.nz (Steven Ellis) Date: Wed Nov 5 23:15:55 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Have your voice heard, turn up to the AuckLUG meeting on Thursday 6th November at 8pm In-Reply-To: <490FFDAE.7090106@symsys-it.co.nz> References: <490FFDAE.7090106@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: On 4/11/2008, at 8:45 PM, Alex Williams wrote: > Come on people, let's hear who's coming to this meet, so far I think > it's me, Nevyn and Jaco going for a pint and that's about it, which > is fine, but would be nice to see some others, don't care if you're > ugly or fat because I'm both so come down and say hi. > > Alex Normally yes, but sadly I do have plans this Thursday.. Best of luck with the session Steve Steven Ellis - Technical Director OpenMedia Limited email - steven@openmedia.co.nz website - http://www.openmedia.co.nz From unclerichard at xtra.co.nz Thu Nov 6 07:00:02 2008 From: unclerichard at xtra.co.nz (R Innes) Date: Thu Nov 6 07:00:44 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] North Shore Group Message-ID: <4911DF22.4040802@xtra.co.nz> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:06:16 Darryl Ovens wrote: > > Based in Northcross (Albany) I am keen for there to be some North Shore > > meetings (hopefully on a different night). > > Did anything come of the Massey Uni venue offer? > Sometime back I ventured the establishment of a North Shore Group which degenerated into a useless squabble about name. I am still supportive if such a group, with both Massey and AUT and numerous computers based enterprises here such a group (whatever its name) is desirable. Count me in on any dveleioements, I'm happy to help. Richard I From tecnik at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 09:16:04 2008 From: tecnik at gmail.com (Dean J) Date: Thu Nov 6 09:16:12 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] North Shore Group In-Reply-To: <4911DF22.4040802@xtra.co.nz> References: <4911DF22.4040802@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <9b65712f0811051216m6911b38cq9043948f74f13627@mail.gmail.com> I also am happy to help & would be behind a Shore based meet Dean On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 7:00 AM, R Innes wrote: > On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:06:16 Darryl Ovens wrote: > >> > Based in Northcross (Albany) I am keen for there to be some North Shore >> > meetings (hopefully on a different night). >> > Did anything come of the Massey Uni venue offer? >> > > Sometime back I ventured the establishment of a North Shore Group which > degenerated into a useless squabble about name. > > I am still supportive if such a group, with both Massey and AUT and numerous > computers based enterprises here such a group (whatever its name) is > desirable. > > Count me in on any dveleioements, I'm happy to help. > > Richard I > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 09:48:27 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Nov 6 09:50:35 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] North Shore Group In-Reply-To: <9b65712f0811051216m6911b38cq9043948f74f13627@mail.gmail.com> References: <4911DF22.4040802@xtra.co.nz> <9b65712f0811051216m6911b38cq9043948f74f13627@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Dean J wrote: > I also am happy to help & would be behind a Shore based meet > > Dean Guys, can we have an idea of what's wrong with the meetings that are currently happening on Devonport? I'm a little confused here. Meetings are happening - we've all been informed of them. Yet every couple of weeks there's some half baked idea about having yet another meeting undermining the work of others. I'm sure there's room to make this meeting into anything you want it to be if it gets the support. So lets have it. If there are meetings happening on Devonport, what is wrong with them that causes the "Lets organise a North Shore meeting" message that we read here every couple of weeks? From ajchapman at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 10:56:52 2008 From: ajchapman at gmail.com (Anthony Chapman) Date: Thu Nov 6 10:56:59 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG November Meet and Greet In-Reply-To: References: <490E2B61.1030205@symsys-it.co.nz> <490E39C7.4040607@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <2faa0aee0811051356k7d8a920bia238545c78e4034f@mail.gmail.com> So opposite Bellwood Ave http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=the+clare+inn&jsv=134d&sll=-41.244772,172.617188&sspn=51.484368,114.257813&ie=UTF8&ei=YxMSSbu7OJ3wiwOug9XcBw&cd=1&dtab=0&cid=-36877246,174750809,9215506171854377048&li=lmd Based on other emails we'll be meeting upstairs? Will anyone be bearing some kind of standard for us to gather around? >>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Alex Williams >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I think you mean 6th though and not 8th? >>>> >>>> Alex >>>> >>>> >>>> Nevyn wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Following a discussion on a meeting for November, the following >>>>> meeting has been organised: >>>>> >>>>> Where: >>>>> The Clare Inn >>>>> 274-278 Dominion Road, Mt Eden, Auckland >>>>> >>>>> When: >>>>> Thursday the 8th at 8pm >>>>> >>>>> What: >>>>> General meet and greet. A chance for LUG members to meet each >>>>> other over a pint or two. >>>>> >>>>> Additional Notes: >>>>> Given that no under-aged members of AuckLUG put their hands up >>>>> for attendance, a pub as a venue has been decided. From candle.man.nz at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 11:15:25 2008 From: candle.man.nz at gmail.com (Kevin Adams) Date: Thu Nov 6 11:15:32 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG November Meet and Greet In-Reply-To: <2faa0aee0811051356k7d8a920bia238545c78e4034f@mail.gmail.com> References: <490E2B61.1030205@symsys-it.co.nz> <490E39C7.4040607@symsys-it.co.nz> <2faa0aee0811051356k7d8a920bia238545c78e4034f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5b6001920811051415x22bee529m14c54490ab096bee@mail.gmail.com> Have you got a funny hat Nevyn? 2008/11/6 Anthony Chapman > So opposite Bellwood Ave > > > http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=the+clare+inn&jsv=134d&sll=-41.244772,172.617188&sspn=51.484368,114.257813&ie=UTF8&ei=YxMSSbu7OJ3wiwOug9XcBw&cd=1&dtab=0&cid=-36877246,174750809,9215506171854377048&li=lmd > > Based on other emails we'll be meeting upstairs? > > Will anyone be bearing some kind of standard for us to gather around? > > >>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Alex Williams > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> I think you mean 6th though and not 8th? > >>>> > >>>> Alex > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Nevyn wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Following a discussion on a meeting for November, the following > >>>>> meeting has been organised: > >>>>> > >>>>> Where: > >>>>> The Clare Inn > >>>>> 274-278 Dominion Road, Mt Eden, Auckland > >>>>> > >>>>> When: > >>>>> Thursday the 8th at 8pm > >>>>> > >>>>> What: > >>>>> General meet and greet. A chance for LUG members to meet each > >>>>> other over a pint or two. > >>>>> > >>>>> Additional Notes: > >>>>> Given that no under-aged members of AuckLUG put their hands up > >>>>> for attendance, a pub as a venue has been decided. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 11:55:38 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Nov 6 11:55:43 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG November Meet and Greet In-Reply-To: <2faa0aee0811051356k7d8a920bia238545c78e4034f@mail.gmail.com> References: <490E2B61.1030205@symsys-it.co.nz> <490E39C7.4040607@symsys-it.co.nz> <2faa0aee0811051356k7d8a920bia238545c78e4034f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I could spontaneously called out "Tux" every couple of minutes if that helps. Funny hats - No - they all suit me (I make everything look good) ;) I'll be there in T-shirt, jeans and a suit jacket and am tall and Indian so I could be the standard if you like :p And yes.. that's the place. On the outside it's mostly painted black with white gaelic looking fonts for the Clare Inn logo. When you go in the front door, go straight ahead, get a pint or food or whatever and then go to your right and you'll see some stairs leading upstairs. Up there is another bar though it's almost always shut, a large'ish area with tables and chairs, and an outside deck for those of us who smoke. Regards, Nevyn. On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Anthony Chapman wrote: > So opposite Bellwood Ave > > http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=the+clare+inn&jsv=134d&sll=-41.244772,172.617188&sspn=51.484368,114.257813&ie=UTF8&ei=YxMSSbu7OJ3wiwOug9XcBw&cd=1&dtab=0&cid=-36877246,174750809,9215506171854377048&li=lmd > > Based on other emails we'll be meeting upstairs? > > Will anyone be bearing some kind of standard for us to gather around? From freakalad at hotmail.com Thu Nov 6 12:01:01 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Nov 6 12:01:14 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG vs 'Shore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi guys,I'd like to take this opportunity to clarify some things; feel free to quiz me tonight (but plz wait until I've got a beer)I've been picking up on a growing need/debate for a chapter in the North. I've been dealing with the guys in Devonport, ref:N-Shore, and they've been trying to get something going for some time now.Milan has been hosting weekly "GNU/Linux evening" for some time now, but I think he may be becoming dishartened, as there is very little participation from the community. You may take this as a rebuke if you wish; but this is only a statement of the facts.Now, the purposes of his hostings is to try & reach out to the everyday-Joe's out on the street, and provide workshops on FOSS topics in general (like Gimp InkScape, OOo, etc); not only Linux stuff, as this tends to scare off people.This may or may not be in-line with AuckLUG's aims, but it's a venue & direction.I'm trying to convince him to do it every second week (so that he does not overburden himself), and to host it on Tuesday evenings, as Mondays are generally day-after-the-day-before hangover-time, and the other days tend to clash with other events/meetings (security, scouts, whathaveyou). Weekend are for debauchery. Maybe alternate fortnightly meets between the 'Shore & in town; 1 'community', 1 'pro'. That way we can cover the most ground.I feel that the WharfIT is a pretty unique opportunity, as the owner in genuinely interrested in adopting & fosetring gLinux & FOSS, there is a lot of foot-traffic passing by the shop with potential new recruits/converts curious about what we're offering, and it's a short ferry-trip to & from town Anyhow, enough of that.See you guys tonight _________________________________________________________________ Free Windows Live software. Chat, search, share pics and more http://get.live.com/ From darrylovens at infogen.net.nz Thu Nov 6 12:50:41 2008 From: darrylovens at infogen.net.nz (Darryl Ovens) Date: Thu Nov 6 12:51:55 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: North Shore Meetings Message-ID: <49123151.7060104@infogen.net.nz> Hi all, I thought I had been following the AuckLUG digest esp with regards to meetings, but somehow I must have missed seeing the Devonport meetings, as I was completely unaware of them. I shall endeavour to get to those that don't clash. So my sincere apology for bringing it up again. I guess the only thing wrong was that I had missed it. Cheers Darryl Ovens Message: 1 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:48:27 +1300 From: Nevyn [1] Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] North Shore Group To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" [2] Message-ID: [3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Dean J [4] wrote: > I also am happy to help & would be behind a Shore based meet > > Dean Guys, can we have an idea of what's wrong with the meetings that are currently happening on Devonport? I'm a little confused here. Meetings are happening - we've all been informed of them. Yet every couple of weeks there's some half baked idea about having yet another meeting undermining the work of others. I'm sure there's room to make this meeting into anything you want it to be if it gets the support. So lets have it. If there are meetings happening on Devonport, what is wrong with them that causes the "Lets organise a North Shore meeting" message that we read here every couple of weeks? References 1. mailto:nevynh@gmail.com 2. mailto:aucklug@linux.net.nz 3. mailto:bcdb9ee50811051248x3eeeea41l69dc62e8fc1569ce@mail.gmail.com 4. mailto:tecnik@gmail.com From blakjak at blakjak.net Thu Nov 6 12:57:12 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Thu Nov 6 12:57:23 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: North Shore Meetings In-Reply-To: <49123151.7060104@infogen.net.nz> References: <49123151.7060104@infogen.net.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Darryl Ovens wrote: > > Hi all, > I thought I had been following the AuckLUG digest esp with regards to > meetings, but somehow I must have missed seeing the Devonport > meetings, as I was completely unaware of them. > I shall endeavour to get to those that don't clash. > So my sincere apology for bringing it up again. > I guess the only thing wrong was that I had missed it. > Cheers > Darryl Ovens > Guys at the meeting tonight, please feel free to discuss, but if the Devonport meetings (which are hosted by a commercial outfit, as I understand it) would merit a plug on the AuckLUG website, and the opinion of the masses is that this is the case, please let me know what words I should be publishing and i'll do so. If we see them as a 'dovetail' to Auckland LUG's own activities then it's probably fair that we help them from a PR perspective. Mark. From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 13:30:55 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Nov 6 13:31:01 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: North Shore Meetings In-Reply-To: References: <49123151.7060104@infogen.net.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Mark Foster wrote: > > > On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Darryl Ovens wrote: > >> >> Hi all, >> I thought I had been following the AuckLUG digest esp with regards to >> meetings, but somehow I must have missed seeing the Devonport >> meetings, as I was completely unaware of them. >> I shall endeavour to get to those that don't clash. >> So my sincere apology for bringing it up again. >> I guess the only thing wrong was that I had missed it. >> Cheers >> Darryl Ovens >> > > Guys at the meeting tonight, please feel free to discuss, but if the > Devonport meetings (which are hosted by a commercial outfit, as I understand > it) would merit a plug on the AuckLUG website, and the opinion of the masses > is that this is the case, please let me know what words I should be > publishing and i'll do so. > > If we see them as a 'dovetail' to Auckland LUG's own activities then it's > probably fair that we help them from a PR perspective. > > Mark. I'm going to be discussing this with Jaco tonight and try and get there on Monday to have a chat with Milan, the guy running this. The only reason I'm pushing it at the moment is the fact that someone is going out of their way already to run something along these sorts of lines and it would be errorenous of us not to at the very least see if it fits in with our interests before dismissing it entirely. I remember a few years ago when I sort of thought of Dr. Floppy's (are they still around) as being THE Auckland linux shop but was surprised not to find them in anyway supporting the NZLUG (This was before AuckLUG came into being). In my opinion, if we want support from the commercial sector, we have to at the very least give them a go. Regards, Nevyn. From candle.man.nz at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 13:37:56 2008 From: candle.man.nz at gmail.com (Kevin Adams) Date: Thu Nov 6 13:37:59 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: North Shore Meetings In-Reply-To: References: <49123151.7060104@infogen.net.nz> Message-ID: <5b6001920811051637q173be51bme1a1eba9dc688a77@mail.gmail.com> (Dr Floppy's) Not as far as I know, they were on the site where the apartment block where I live has been built. Kevin 2008/11/6 Nevyn > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Mark Foster wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Darryl Ovens wrote: > > > >> > >> Hi all, > >> I thought I had been following the AuckLUG digest esp with regards to > >> meetings, but somehow I must have missed seeing the Devonport > >> meetings, as I was completely unaware of them. > >> I shall endeavour to get to those that don't clash. > >> So my sincere apology for bringing it up again. > >> I guess the only thing wrong was that I had missed it. > >> Cheers > >> Darryl Ovens > >> > > > > Guys at the meeting tonight, please feel free to discuss, but if the > > Devonport meetings (which are hosted by a commercial outfit, as I > understand > > it) would merit a plug on the AuckLUG website, and the opinion of the > masses > > is that this is the case, please let me know what words I should be > > publishing and i'll do so. > > > > If we see them as a 'dovetail' to Auckland LUG's own activities then it's > > probably fair that we help them from a PR perspective. > > > > Mark. > > I'm going to be discussing this with Jaco tonight and try and get > there on Monday to have a chat with Milan, the guy running this. The > only reason I'm pushing it at the moment is the fact that someone is > going out of their way already to run something along these sorts of > lines and it would be errorenous of us not to at the very least see if > it fits in with our interests before dismissing it entirely. > > I remember a few years ago when I sort of thought of Dr. Floppy's (are > they still around) as being THE Auckland linux shop but was surprised > not to find them in anyway supporting the NZLUG (This was before > AuckLUG came into being). In my opinion, if we want support from the > commercial sector, we have to at the very least give them a go. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 13:43:03 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Nov 6 13:43:06 2008 Subject: Dr Floppy's Was: Re: [AuckLUG] Re: North Shore Meetings Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Kevin Adams wrote: > (Dr Floppy's) Not as far as I know, they were on the site where the > apartment block where I live has been built. > > Kevin That was a very long time ago. They moved over to Beresford St - just off Pitt Street. Their website left something to be desired and their Linux commercial software (things like games from Loki and the like) was horribly expensive - often double the price of the same software on the Windows platform. From swht at clear.net.nz Thu Nov 6 14:10:19 2008 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon taylor) Date: Thu Nov 6 14:10:28 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] assistance with Ubuntu 8.10 upgrade Message-ID: <491243FB.4020202@clear.net.nz> Hi Linux users, > > I was referred to you by Copyleft, to whom I turned as the Ubuntu forums > have so far provided no relief/solution. > > I downloaded 8.10 - excited. 8.04 produced a bug on my machine disabling > my CD burner/DVD burner. (So no back up.) > > 17 hours later and everything looked sweet. Final step was restart. At > point of reboot this: > > /fence_tool: waiting for cman to start > fence_tool: waiting for cman to start > fence_tool: waiting for cman to start > CCS [4394]: [CCS ] Unable to connect to cluster infrastructure after 30 > seconds > > fence_tool: waiting for cman to start > fence_tool: waiting for cman to start > fence_tool: waiting for cman to start > CCS [4394]: [CCS ] Unable to connect to cluster infrastructure after 60 > seconds > / > and so on ... every 30 seconds > > The same message occurs whether I go to recovery or not. Now from what > I've been able to glean, CCS and fence_tool have been replaced in 8.10. > But I don't know how to turn them off. (I think that's what's required.) > > PLEASE HELP! > > swht@clear.net.nz > > 09 4126080 > > Desperate to resume Happy Penguin-dom (even as an Ibex), > > Yours, > > Simon Taylor > > > From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 14:37:43 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Nov 6 14:37:52 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] assistance with Ubuntu 8.10 upgrade In-Reply-To: <491243FB.4020202@clear.net.nz> References: <491243FB.4020202@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:10 PM, simon taylor wrote: > Hi Linux users, >> >> I was referred to you by Copyleft, to whom I turned as the Ubuntu forums >> have so far provided no relief/solution. >> >> I downloaded 8.10 - excited. 8.04 produced a bug on my machine disabling >> my CD burner/DVD burner. (So no back up.) >> >> 17 hours later and everything looked sweet. Final step was restart. At >> point of reboot this: >> >> /fence_tool: waiting for cman to start >> fence_tool: waiting for cman to start >> fence_tool: waiting for cman to start >> CCS [4394]: [CCS ] Unable to connect to cluster infrastructure after 30 >> seconds >> >> fence_tool: waiting for cman to start >> fence_tool: waiting for cman to start >> fence_tool: waiting for cman to start >> CCS [4394]: [CCS ] Unable to connect to cluster infrastructure after 60 >> seconds >> / >> and so on ... every 30 seconds >> >> The same message occurs whether I go to recovery or not. Now from what >> I've been able to glean, CCS and fence_tool have been replaced in 8.10. >> But I don't know how to turn them off. (I think that's what's required.) >> >> PLEASE HELP! >> >> swht@clear.net.nz >> >> 09 4126080 >> >> Desperate to resume Happy Penguin-dom (even as an Ibex), >> >> Yours, >> >> Simon Taylor I'm not entirely sure of the details but the fix for this would be something along the lines of using the livecd, doing some magic with chroot and apt-get to remove the offending packages. - Okay I've just found your post on the Ubuntu forums. From what I'm reading there, you need information on the mount command. I'll just copy the relevant information from the Ubuntu forum post: >1. Get a Live CD of Ubuntu 8.10 (I think any linux live CD should work though) >2. Boot with that live cd >3. After booting, mount your computer's root partition to /mnt/repair using following command (assuming your root partition is in /dev/sda1 > >Code: >sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/repairIf you have separate /home partition then mount it also to /mnt/repair/home >4. Next give following command > >Code: >sudo chroot /mnt/repair >5. Then change to your computer user using su [your_username] >6. Then remove the cman and libfence3 packages using, > >Code: >sudo apt-get remove cman libfence3 >7. Then 'exit' and reboot. >8. Enjoy Intrepid and your replies: >how do I know if sda1 is right for me? >mount point /mnt/repair does not exist Okay so we just need to modify those instructions for you slightly: 1. Get a Live CD of Ubuntu 8.10 (I think any linux live CD should work though) 2. Boot with that live cd 3. After booting, open up a terminal and type in: sudo mkdir /mnt/repair mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/repair <- DON'T DO THIS JUST YET 4. Next give following command Code: sudo chroot /mnt/repair 5. Then change to your computer user using su [your_username] 6. Then remove the cman and libfence3 packages using, Code: sudo apt-get remove cman libfence3 7. Then 'exit' and reboot. 8. Enjoy Intrepid Okay, on step 3, there's a warning not to do this just yet. The problem is that we're not yet sure if /dev/sda1 is your main partition so..... Normally I'd do a process of trial and error but given that you're not terribly experienced, there's got to be an easier way of doing this. Does someone want to weigh in here? I'm not entirely sure what that easier way would be. Regards, Nevyn. From unclerichard at xtra.co.nz Thu Nov 6 16:10:52 2008 From: unclerichard at xtra.co.nz (R Innes) Date: Thu Nov 6 16:11:08 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] North Shore Group In-Reply-To: References: <4911DF22.4040802@xtra.co.nz> <9b65712f0811051216m6911b38cq9043948f74f13627@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4912603C.5040603@xtra.co.nz> Nevyn wrote: > > Guys, can we have an idea of what's wrong with the meetings that are > currently happening on Devonport? > > > What meetings in Devonport? I have never heard of them, and I certainly didn't intend to undermine them. For many on the Shore Devonport presents as much a problem to get to as town. Still, if whoever is responsible sending out the notice is reading this please add my name to your list. Richard I. From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Thu Nov 6 16:20:03 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Thu Nov 6 16:14:11 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] assistance with Ubuntu 8.10 upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <491243FB.4020202@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <49126263.9060407@symsys-it.co.nz> Nevyn wrote: > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:10 PM, simon taylor wrote: > >> Hi Linux users, >> >>> I was referred to you by Copyleft, to whom I turned as the Ubuntu forums >>> have so far provided no relief/solution. >>> >>> I downloaded 8.10 - excited. 8.04 produced a bug on my machine disabling >>> my CD burner/DVD burner. (So no back up.) >>> >>> 17 hours later and everything looked sweet. Final step was restart. At >>> point of reboot this: >>> >>> /fence_tool: waiting for cman to start >>> fence_tool: waiting for cman to start >>> fence_tool: waiting for cman to start >>> CCS [4394]: [CCS ] Unable to connect to cluster infrastructure after 30 >>> seconds >>> >>> fence_tool: waiting for cman to start >>> fence_tool: waiting for cman to start >>> fence_tool: waiting for cman to start >>> CCS [4394]: [CCS ] Unable to connect to cluster infrastructure after 60 >>> seconds >>> / >>> and so on ... every 30 seconds >>> >>> The same message occurs whether I go to recovery or not. Now from what >>> I've been able to glean, CCS and fence_tool have been replaced in 8.10. >>> But I don't know how to turn them off. (I think that's what's required.) >>> >>> PLEASE HELP! >>> >>> swht@clear.net.nz >>> >>> 09 4126080 >>> >>> Desperate to resume Happy Penguin-dom (even as an Ibex), >>> >>> Yours, >>> >>> Simon Taylor >>> > > I'm not entirely sure of the details but the fix for this would be > something along the lines of using the livecd, doing some magic with > chroot and apt-get to remove the offending packages. - Okay I've just > found your post on the Ubuntu forums. From what I'm reading there, you > need information on the mount command. I'll just copy the relevant > information from the Ubuntu forum post: > > >> 1. Get a Live CD of Ubuntu 8.10 (I think any linux live CD should work though) >> 2. Boot with that live cd >> 3. After booting, mount your computer's root partition to /mnt/repair using following command (assuming your root partition is in /dev/sda1 >> >> Code: >> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/repairIf you have separate /home partition then mount it also to /mnt/repair/home >> 4. Next give following command >> >> Code: >> sudo chroot /mnt/repair >> 5. Then change to your computer user using su [your_username] >> 6. Then remove the cman and libfence3 packages using, >> >> Code: >> sudo apt-get remove cman libfence3 >> 7. Then 'exit' and reboot. >> 8. Enjoy Intrepid >> > > and your replies: > >> how do I know if sda1 is right for me? >> mount point /mnt/repair does not exist >> > > Okay so we just need to modify those instructions for you slightly: > > 1. Get a Live CD of Ubuntu 8.10 (I think any linux live CD should work though) > 2. Boot with that live cd > 3. After booting, open up a terminal > and type in: > sudo mkdir /mnt/repair > mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/repair <- DON'T DO THIS JUST YET > > 4. Next give following command > Code: > sudo chroot /mnt/repair > > 5. Then change to your computer user using su [your_username] > 6. Then remove the cman and libfence3 packages using, > Code: > sudo apt-get remove cman libfence3 > 7. Then 'exit' and reboot. > 8. Enjoy Intrepid > > Okay, on step 3, there's a warning not to do this just yet. The > problem is that we're not yet sure if /dev/sda1 is your main partition > so..... Normally I'd do a process of trial and error but given that > you're not terribly experienced, there's got to be an easier way of > doing this. Does someone want to weigh in here? I'm not entirely sure > what that easier way would be. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > First of all do you know what drives are in your system and what operating systems you're using? If you only have one drive and it's SATA then the drive will be /dev/sda(partition number) if you have one drive and it's IDE then typically your drive would be /dev/hda(partition number), however I think if I remember rightly (And I may be wrong here) Ubuntu started seeing IDE drives as /dev/sd(drive letter) instead of /dev/hd(drive letter) in Gutsy. If you have a dual boot with Windows but only one hard drive which is SATA then your Linux partition will ALMOST definitely be /dev/sda5 like mine shown below, although this may differ if you have a separate /home or /var partition etc. If you know you've only got one drive, try booting the live CD and opening a command line terminal, then type "sudo fdisk /dev/sda" - /Without quotation marks obviously/ you'll either enter the fdisk program in the terminal session, or you'll get an error, if it's an error try "sudo fdisk /dev/hda" - /Without quotation marks obviously/ Once you enter the fdisk application in the terminal session you can type "p" - /Without quotation marks obviously/ and hit enter to print your partition table, then it's a case of looking at the File system type next to each partition. My machine has a Vista/Kubuntu dual boot on /dev/sda so "sudo fdisk /dev/sda" - /Without quotation marks obviously/ then telling it to print the partition table produces : */ Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 12363 99304758 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda2 12364 24792 99835942+ 5 Extended /dev/sda5 12364 24281 95731303+ 83 Linux /dev/sda6 24282 24792 4104576 82 Linux swap / Solaris/* You can see that /dev/sda1 has a "System" property of "HPFS/NTFS", which is my Windows Vista installation, and /dev/sda5 has a "System" property of "Linux". Hopefully this helps some. Alex From blakjak at blakjak.net Thu Nov 6 16:20:57 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Thu Nov 6 16:21:25 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] North Shore Group In-Reply-To: <4912603C.5040603@xtra.co.nz> References: <4911DF22.4040802@xtra.co.nz> <9b65712f0811051216m6911b38cq9043948f74f13627@mail.gmail.com> <4912603C.5040603@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <33537.119.15.0.26.1225941657.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> > Nevyn wrote: >> >> Guys, can we have an idea of what's wrong with the meetings that are >> currently happening on Devonport? >> >> >> > What meetings in Devonport? I have never heard of them, and I certainly > didn't intend to undermine them. > > For many on the Shore Devonport presents as much a problem to get to as > town. > > Still, if whoever is responsible sending out the notice is reading this > please add my name to your list. > Google-Fu: http://www.wharfit.co.nz/Free_Software_meetings ;-) Mark. From ken at lomax.gen.nz Thu Nov 6 16:28:46 2008 From: ken at lomax.gen.nz (Ken Lomax) Date: Thu Nov 6 16:28:54 2008 Subject: Dr Floppy's Was: Re: [AuckLUG] Re: North Shore Meetings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1225942126.2942.1.camel@aranya.lomax.priv> Dr Floppys closed over a year ago. Part of the operation was taken over by a guy in Symonds street, but now nothing is active that I know about. Ken On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 13:43 +1300, Nevyn wrote: > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Kevin Adams wrote: > > (Dr Floppy's) Not as far as I know, they were on the site where the > > apartment block where I live has been built. > > > > Kevin > > That was a very long time ago. They moved over to Beresford St - just > off Pitt Street. Their website left something to be desired and their > Linux commercial software (things like games from Loki and the like) > was horribly expensive - often double the price of the same software > on the Windows platform. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From swht at clear.net.nz Thu Nov 6 17:31:26 2008 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon taylor) Date: Thu Nov 6 17:31:37 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 42, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <78dufl$h27clm@mxin1-orange.clear.net.nz> References: <78dufl$h27clm@mxin1-orange.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <4912731E.3020707@clear.net.nz> Thanks Nevyn: > 1. Get a Live CD of Ubuntu 8.10 (I think any linux live CD should work though) > 2. Boot with that live cd > 3. After booting, open up a terminal > and type in: > sudo mkdir /mnt/repair > mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/repair <- DON'T DO THIS JUST YET > > 4. Next give following command > Code: > sudo chroot /mnt/repair > > 5. Then change to your computer user using su [your_username] > 6. Then remove the cman and libfence3 packages using, > Code: > sudo apt-get remove cman libfence3 > 7. Then 'exit' and reboot. > 8. Enjoy Intrepid > > Okay, on step 3, there's a warning not to do this just yet. The > problem is that we're not yet sure if /dev/sda1 is your main partition > so..... Normally I'd do a process of trial and error but given that > you're not terribly experienced, there's got to be an easier way of > doing this. Does someone want to weigh in here? I'm not entirely sure > what that easier way would be. > I successfully completed made a directory however received this when I tried to mount it (as it were) (I know there was a caveat - but ... you never know until you try ('yes we can')).: /mount: only root can do that/ Frustrating. Suggestions welcome. Best, Simon From blakjak at blakjak.net Thu Nov 6 17:45:54 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Thu Nov 6 17:46:08 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 42, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <4912731E.3020707@clear.net.nz> References: <78dufl$h27clm@mxin1-orange.clear.net.nz> <4912731E.3020707@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <47933.119.15.0.26.1225946754.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> > Thanks Nevyn: >> 1. Get a Live CD of Ubuntu 8.10 (I think any linux live CD should work >> though) >> 2. Boot with that live cd >> 3. After booting, open up a terminal >> and type in: >> sudo mkdir /mnt/repair >> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/repair <- DON'T DO THIS JUST YET >> >> 4. Next give following command >> Code: >> sudo chroot /mnt/repair >> >> 5. Then change to your computer user using su [your_username] >> 6. Then remove the cman and libfence3 packages using, >> Code: >> sudo apt-get remove cman libfence3 >> 7. Then 'exit' and reboot. >> 8. Enjoy Intrepid >> >> Okay, on step 3, there's a warning not to do this just yet. The >> problem is that we're not yet sure if /dev/sda1 is your main partition >> so..... Normally I'd do a process of trial and error but given that >> you're not terribly experienced, there's got to be an easier way of >> doing this. Does someone want to weigh in here? I'm not entirely sure >> what that easier way would be. >> > I successfully completed made a directory however received this when I > tried to mount it (as it were) (I know there was a caveat - but ... you > never know until you try ('yes we can')).: > > /mount: only root can do that/ > > Frustrating. Suggestions welcome. So be root? Have you tried from a root prompt? You run one-off commands as root by using 'sudo'. Try the same command with 'sudo' in the front. It'll prompt you to verify you wanna do what you're trying to do, with your password. And then it'll perform the task as root, instead of your ordinary user. (Root = super admin type person, shouldnt be used except when absolutely necessary.) From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Thu Nov 6 17:53:17 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Thu Nov 6 17:47:21 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 42, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <4912731E.3020707@clear.net.nz> References: <78dufl$h27clm@mxin1-orange.clear.net.nz> <4912731E.3020707@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <4912783D.7090300@symsys-it.co.nz> simon taylor wrote: > Thanks Nevyn: >> 1. Get a Live CD of Ubuntu 8.10 (I think any linux live CD should >> work though) >> 2. Boot with that live cd >> 3. After booting, open up a terminal >> and type in: >> sudo mkdir /mnt/repair >> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/repair <- DON'T DO THIS JUST YET >> >> 4. Next give following command >> Code: >> sudo chroot /mnt/repair >> >> 5. Then change to your computer user using su [your_username] >> 6. Then remove the cman and libfence3 packages using, >> Code: >> sudo apt-get remove cman libfence3 >> 7. Then 'exit' and reboot. >> 8. Enjoy Intrepid >> >> Okay, on step 3, there's a warning not to do this just yet. The >> problem is that we're not yet sure if /dev/sda1 is your main partition >> so..... Normally I'd do a process of trial and error but given that >> you're not terribly experienced, there's got to be an easier way of >> doing this. Does someone want to weigh in here? I'm not entirely sure >> what that easier way would be. >> > I successfully completed made a directory however received this when I > tried to mount it (as it were) (I know there was a caveat - but ... > you never know until you try ('yes we can')).: > > /mount: only root can do that/ > > Frustrating. Suggestions welcome. > > Best, > Simon > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > Hi Simon, first let me give you a bit of advice, for help and advice in real-time, on problems like this I'd recommend changing your list options for the AuckLUG to receive individual mails as opposed to the digest. While keeping it on digest lowers the number of mails that hit your inbox, it also stops you receiving a reply in real time and occasionally you can get quite lost in the digest if people have replied above AND below in different mail clients etc. Anyway the answer to your problem is : /sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/repair / sudo allows you to act on roots behalf if you like, it asks you to confirm your password as a superuser and if you authenticate correctly with it, you can issue commands as root. Obviously as you are using a live CD you will probably find no password is required to execute the command. While you are in the live CD I would actually recommend using the command /sudo bash/ right at the very start of your terminal session, this will then allow you continual access to "root only" commands, for the duration of your session. I don't recommend using this on a live system regularly though because much of the time in Linux you do actually need to issue a command as yourself and not as root. I reserve this command mostly for repair situations in a live CD like your current problem. As always I must also point out that whenever you have used /su/ or /sudo bash/ you must be careful with the commands you issue, you will be allowed to issue just about any command possible in that command line session and there are some very dangerous and powerful commands out there in a bash session, you don't want to damage your system further. Alex From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Thu Nov 6 17:57:14 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Thu Nov 6 17:51:17 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 42, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <4912783D.7090300@symsys-it.co.nz> References: <78dufl$h27clm@mxin1-orange.clear.net.nz> <4912731E.3020707@clear.net.nz> <4912783D.7090300@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <4912792A.4070202@symsys-it.co.nz> Appologies for this folks but I've just realised my mail client is adding forward slashes to my emails when I use italics, not what I told it to do and think it has something to do with me allowing html emails etc. If you're seeing a whole bunch of forward slashes instead of italics that's why sorry :(. Alex From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 18:10:07 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Nov 6 18:10:59 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 42, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <4912783D.7090300@symsys-it.co.nz> References: <78dufl$h27clm@mxin1-orange.clear.net.nz> <4912731E.3020707@clear.net.nz> <4912783D.7090300@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Alex Williams wrote: > Hi Simon, > > While you are in the live CD I would actually recommend using the command > > /sudo bash/ > > right at the very start of your terminal session, this will then allow you > continual access to "root only" commands, for the duration of your session. > I don't recommend using this on a live system regularly though because much > of the time in Linux you do actually need to issue a command as yourself and > not as root. I reserve this command mostly for repair situations in a live > CD like your current problem. > > As always I must also point out that whenever you have used > > /su/ > > or > > /sudo bash/ Just a note here: I heard that "sudo bash" does something undesirable like breaks your history or some such thing. I think the recommended way of doing this is: "sudo -i" Which puts sudo into interactive mode. From Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz Thu Nov 6 18:20:01 2008 From: Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz (Chilling_Silence) Date: Thu Nov 6 18:21:06 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] LCD Displaying IP Address for always moving headless server Message-ID: <2987f0d40811052120v69640f70l760bc921fa12869c@mail.gmail.com> Greets all, I'm looking to get a little LCD Screen that shows the IP Address of the box (Running either CentOS or Debian) on the front of the case. Its going to be carted around a lot and plugged in to networks, getting its IP using DHCP. So, it'd make things much easier if I didnt have to hook up a screen all the time. Its connecting to a VPN on boot, but it can be a pain if for whatever reason a proxy blocked it, or the gateway / route didnt get set properly, whatever... Does anybody know of any hardware thats linux-compatible that does this, ideally that doesnt cost the earth? Cheers Chill. From Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz Thu Nov 6 18:37:35 2008 From: Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz (Chilling_Silence) Date: Thu Nov 6 18:37:51 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 42, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: References: <78dufl$h27clm@mxin1-orange.clear.net.nz> <4912731E.3020707@clear.net.nz> <4912783D.7090300@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <4635.118.90.14.249.1225949855.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz> > Just a note here: I heard that > "sudo bash" > > does something undesirable like breaks your history or some such > thing. I think the recommended way of doing this is: > "sudo -i" > > Which puts sudo into interactive mode. Ive always used "sudo bash" on the few Ubuntu boxes I run, keeps the bash history and everything. If you *really* wanted to, once you're root, you can run "su -" or whatever you want to... From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Thu Nov 6 19:01:41 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Thu Nov 6 18:57:14 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 42, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: References: <78dufl$h27clm@mxin1-orange.clear.net.nz> <4912731E.3020707@clear.net.nz> <4912783D.7090300@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <49128845.8020600@symsys-it.co.nz> Nevyn wrote: > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Alex Williams wrote: > > >> Hi Simon, >> > > >> While you are in the live CD I would actually recommend using the command >> >> /sudo bash/ >> >> right at the very start of your terminal session, this will then allow you >> continual access to "root only" commands, for the duration of your session. >> I don't recommend using this on a live system regularly though because much >> of the time in Linux you do actually need to issue a command as yourself and >> not as root. I reserve this command mostly for repair situations in a live >> CD like your current problem. >> >> As always I must also point out that whenever you have used >> >> /su/ >> >> or >> >> /sudo bash/ >> > > Just a note here: I heard that > "sudo bash" > > does something undesirable like breaks your history or some such > thing. I think the recommended way of doing this is: > "sudo -i" > > Which puts sudo into interactive mode. > To Nevyn I actually hadn't heard that so that's something I'll have a look into myself as I use it a lot during repairs. To Chill I know there are specific boxes you can buy that are designed for that exact purpose, they're relatively lightweight and easy to carry around, with an LCD screen built-in to the front of the box to determine it's IP, any local proxies it's been told to go through etc etc. Sounds like you're wanting an LCD panel to go on an existing box though? This is something I haven't seen done but would imagine it was more than possible. Have you tried speaking to the good people at JayCAR? They're indispensable when it comes to finding niche/unique little electronic parts and some of the staff I've found to be quite knowledgeable too. Anyone on here know of a specific device Chill could use? Alex From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 19:38:08 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Nov 6 19:38:14 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] LCD Displaying IP Address for always moving headless server In-Reply-To: <2987f0d40811052120v69640f70l760bc921fa12869c@mail.gmail.com> References: <2987f0d40811052120v69640f70l760bc921fa12869c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Chilling_Silence wrote: > Greets all, > I'm looking to get a little LCD Screen that shows the IP Address of the box > (Running either CentOS or Debian) on the front of the case. > Its going to be carted around a lot and plugged in to networks, getting its > IP using DHCP. So, it'd make things much easier if I didnt have to hook up a > screen all the time. > Its connecting to a VPN on boot, but it can be a pain if for whatever reason > a proxy blocked it, or the gateway / route didnt get set properly, > whatever... > > Does anybody know of any hardware thats linux-compatible that does this, > ideally that doesnt cost the earth? > > Cheers > > > Chill. A really quick google finds this: http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/May2002/article236.shtmlhttp://www.linuxfocus.org/English/May2002/article236.shtml It allows you to do some pretty funky stuff like change the IP address. From Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz Thu Nov 6 19:54:03 2008 From: Chilling_Silence at orcon.net.nz (Chilling_Silence) Date: Thu Nov 6 19:54:13 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] LCD Displaying IP Address for always moving headless server In-Reply-To: References: <2987f0d40811052120v69640f70l760bc921fa12869c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2987f0d40811052254s370598c9r1137cbed5287eaf7@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Nevyn wrote: > A really quick google finds this: > > http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/May2002/article236.shtmlhttp://www.linuxfocus.org/English/May2002/article236.shtml > > It allows you to do some pretty funky stuff like change the IP address. > > It looks cool, except my soldering skills are horrific :( I have a server with some Atom hardware and a few other bits n pieces, so ideally I'm just looking for a small LCD panel to display the IP... :) Thanks Chill. From swht at clear.net.nz Thu Nov 6 20:21:41 2008 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon taylor) Date: Thu Nov 6 20:21:52 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Message 2 - Alex's tips on gaining partition information Message-ID: <49129B05.9090208@clear.net.nz> Hi Alex, I am enlightened. And bewildered. Here's the list (all ATA, by the way): Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 2611 20972826 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/hda2 2612 26485 191767905 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/hda3 26486 28562 16683502+ 83 Linux /dev/hda4 28563 30401 14771767+ 5 Extended /dev/hda5 30235 30401 1341396 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/hda6 * 28563 30158 12819807 83 Linux /dev/hda7 30159 30234 610438+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris I hope someone can help me sort this out. What I know is I'm running a slave HD with all my old stuff from Win98 on it. My new HD was partitioned with XP (HPFS/NTFS) and major real-estate for backups, media etc. However, I am writing to you now from hda6, which is running an early Feisty. It appears to be totally functional. It seems I can set it up to get updates ... I'm not sure if this is a good idea. Do you know? So rather than run off a live disc of Ubuntu, I'm using the Terminal in hda6. Is this ok? If hda5 and hda7 are Linux swap / Solaris does this mean they are both my downloaded 8.10? Which would I get into to chroot? Sorry to be so compu-illiterate. Best, Simon From zaf at nrc.co.nz Thu Nov 6 20:29:27 2008 From: zaf at nrc.co.nz (Nick 'Zaf' Clifford) Date: Thu Nov 6 20:29:41 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] LCD Displaying IP Address for always moving headless server In-Reply-To: <2987f0d40811052254s370598c9r1137cbed5287eaf7@mail.gmail.com> References: <2987f0d40811052120v69640f70l760bc921fa12869c@mail.gmail.com> <2987f0d40811052254s370598c9r1137cbed5287eaf7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49129CD7.1060106@nrc.co.nz> Chilling_Silence wrote: > It looks cool, except my soldering skills are horrific :( > I have a server with some Atom hardware and a few other bits n pieces, so > ideally I'm just looking for a small LCD panel to display the IP... :) > > Thanks > > A Hitachi HD44780 based LCD, hard wired into the printer port, is very easy to make, and can be mounted so the ugly wiring doesn't show. Wiring (quick tip - get an old printer cable, cut the centronics (printer) end off it, and hardwire it) http://lcdproc.sourceforge.net/docs/stable-0-5-x-user.html#hd44780-connections Hardware: http://www.jaycar.co.nz/productView.asp?ID=QP5517&CATID=&keywords=LCD&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID= If you want to get *really* funky, you could buy a zippy box of suitable size, the above LCD, and a USB->Parallel converter and hardwire the whole thing up in a nice looking box with a usb plug and all. Given your desired use, I'd hardwire it into a 5.25" drive bay plastic cover, and fit a USB header on the USB cable (instead of the usual plug) and connect it straight onto the motherboard. Yes it does involve soldering, but those LCDs are pretty resiliant to bad soldiering (just don't reverse the polarity, its just like in Ghostbusters, end of the world as we know it). Nick From swht at clear.net.nz Thu Nov 6 20:33:42 2008 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon taylor) Date: Thu Nov 6 20:33:49 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Messages 6 & 7 - Mark & Alex's suggestion re root authority In-Reply-To: <7a4ptl$f20ri@mxin2-orange.clear.net.nz> References: <7a4ptl$f20ri@mxin2-orange.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <49129DD6.1070203@clear.net.nz> Hi Mark & Alex, thank you. I understand the use of sudo and I was prefixing my commands with it. My partitions are quite complex - to me (see previous post). And I don't understand the 'user' properties - for root privileges. I had a fight with 8.04 when it refused to burn discs. Lots of messing around with commands. (The issue that time was raising MEMLOCK.LIMITS - and wasn't resolved.) So I've got under the bonnet. But the engine seems to have four stomaches - like a cow. Not being entirely facetious. And your help is greatly appreciated. Best, Simon From rosscoad at slingshot.co.nz Thu Nov 6 20:47:56 2008 From: rosscoad at slingshot.co.nz (Ross) Date: Thu Nov 6 20:48:06 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Message 2 - Alex's tips on gaining partition information In-Reply-To: <49129B05.9090208@clear.net.nz> References: <49129B05.9090208@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <4912A12C.2040808@slingshot.co.nz> Hi Simon, simon taylor wrote: > Hi Alex, > I am enlightened. And bewildered. Here's the list (all ATA, by the way): > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/hda1 * 1 2611 20972826 7 HPFS/NTFS > /dev/hda2 2612 26485 191767905 7 HPFS/NTFS > /dev/hda3 26486 28562 16683502+ 83 Linux > /dev/hda4 28563 30401 14771767+ 5 Extended > /dev/hda5 30235 30401 1341396 82 Linux swap / > Solaris > /dev/hda6 * 28563 30158 12819807 83 Linux > /dev/hda7 30159 30234 610438+ 82 Linux swap / > Solaris > > I hope someone can help me sort this out. > > What I know is I'm running a slave HD with all my old stuff from Win98 > on it. My new HD was partitioned with XP (HPFS/NTFS) and major > real-estate for backups, media etc. > > However, I am writing to you now from hda6, which is running an early > Feisty. It appears to be totally functional. It seems I can set it up to > get updates ... I'm not sure if this is a good idea. Do you know? > > So rather than run off a live disc of Ubuntu, I'm using the Terminal in > hda6. Is this ok? > > If hda5 and hda7 are Linux swap / Solaris does this mean they are both > my downloaded 8.10? Which would I get into to chroot? > > Sorry to be so compu-illiterate. > > Best, > Simon > I think you need to mount and chroot into /dev/hda3 you should be ok to chroot from the terminal in hda6. hda5 and hda7 are both swap partitions,they are for swap purposes only so you won't be able to or need to chroot into them Cheers, Ross. From blakjak at blakjak.net Thu Nov 6 22:30:00 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Thu Nov 6 22:30:08 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Messages 6 & 7 - Mark & Alex's suggestion re root authority In-Reply-To: <49129DD6.1070203@clear.net.nz> References: <7a4ptl$f20ri@mxin2-orange.clear.net.nz> <49129DD6.1070203@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: Simon, You're doing well. I have to admitt i'm not keeping up with the details of your issue as it's not stuff i've done before - but Ross's response looks pretty good. :-) You're very welcome, it's what the LUG thrives on. Mark. On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, simon taylor wrote: > Hi Mark & Alex, > > thank you. I understand the use of sudo and I was prefixing my commands with > it. > > My partitions are quite complex - to me (see previous post). > > And I don't understand the 'user' properties - for root privileges. > > I had a fight with 8.04 when it refused to burn discs. Lots of messing around > with commands. (The issue that time was raising MEMLOCK.LIMITS - and wasn't > resolved.) So I've got under the bonnet. > > But the engine seems to have four stomaches - like a cow. > > Not being entirely facetious. And your help is greatly appreciated. > > Best, > > Simon > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From swht at clear.net.nz Thu Nov 6 22:35:02 2008 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon taylor) Date: Thu Nov 6 22:35:11 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Message 2 - Alex's tips on gaining partition information - addition Message-ID: <4912BA46.7090005@clear.net.nz> I'm not on hda6 but hda3. Confusing. Confused. From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 00:07:21 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Nov 7 00:07:30 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] LCD Displaying IP Address for always moving headless server In-Reply-To: <49129CD7.1060106@nrc.co.nz> References: <2987f0d40811052120v69640f70l760bc921fa12869c@mail.gmail.com> <2987f0d40811052254s370598c9r1137cbed5287eaf7@mail.gmail.com> <49129CD7.1060106@nrc.co.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Nick 'Zaf' Clifford wrote: > Chilling_Silence wrote: >> It looks cool, except my soldering skills are horrific :( >> I have a server with some Atom hardware and a few other bits n pieces, so >> ideally I'm just looking for a small LCD panel to display the IP... :) >> >> Thanks >> >> > A Hitachi HD44780 based LCD, hard wired into the printer port, is very > easy to make, and can be mounted so the ugly wiring doesn't show. > > > Wiring (quick tip - get an old printer cable, cut the centronics > (printer) end off it, and hardwire it) > http://lcdproc.sourceforge.net/docs/stable-0-5-x-user.html#hd44780-connections > > Hardware: > http://www.jaycar.co.nz/productView.asp?ID=QP5517&CATID=&keywords=LCD&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID= > > If you want to get *really* funky, you could buy a zippy box of suitable > size, the above LCD, and a USB->Parallel converter and hardwire the > whole thing up in a nice looking box with a usb plug and all. Given your > desired use, I'd hardwire it into a 5.25" drive bay plastic cover, and > fit a USB header on the USB cable (instead of the usual plug) and > connect it straight onto the motherboard. > > Yes it does involve soldering, but those LCDs are pretty resiliant to > bad soldiering (just don't reverse the polarity, its just like in > Ghostbusters, end of the world as we know it). > > Nick I feel the bad soldering pain. Due to my bad soldering at tech I had managed to mangle my solder sucker within 6 months whereas everyone else had come no where close within the year due to me having to suck up all the bad soldering jobs I had accomplished. I swear, bad soldering is a unique and special skill. From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 00:11:17 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Nov 7 00:11:22 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Message 2 - Alex's tips on gaining partition information - addition In-Reply-To: <4912BA46.7090005@clear.net.nz> References: <4912BA46.7090005@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:35 PM, simon taylor wrote: > I'm not on hda6 but hda3. Confusing. Confused. >From the partition information that I saw, and in this slightly inebriated state, I swear it looks like you've got two installations of Linux. From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Fri Nov 7 00:22:34 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Fri Nov 7 00:16:33 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Message 2 - Alex's tips on gaining partition information - addition In-Reply-To: <4912BA46.7090005@clear.net.nz> References: <4912BA46.7090005@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <4912D37A.5000809@symsys-it.co.nz> simon taylor wrote: > I am enlightened. And bewildered. Here's the list (all ATA, by the way): > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/hda1 * 1 2611 20972826 7 HPFS/NTFS > /dev/hda2 2612 26485 191767905 7 HPFS/NTFS > /dev/hda3 26486 28562 16683502+ 83 Linux > /dev/hda4 28563 30401 14771767+ 5 Extended > /dev/hda5 30235 30401 1341396 82 Linux swap / > Solaris > /dev/hda6 * 28563 30158 12819807 83 Linux > /dev/hda7 30159 30234 610438+ 82 Linux swap / > Solaris > > I hope someone can help me sort this out. > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > Hi Simon, sorry I haven't replied in the last few hours, I've been at the unofficial AuckLUG meet in Dominion road and just got home. To me it seems you have 2 Windows/NTFS partitions here, an extremely small one and a slightly larger one, then a Linux partition, which again doesn't seem large and isn't showing as bootable in fdisk, then an extended partition which seems to contain BOTH of your swap partitions for some reason and another Linux partition. Only partitions hda1 and hda6 are being seen as bootable as far as fdisk is concerned. I'd say if you've managed to get to a Linux system (Feisty I think you said?) then you're on hda6, and if I've understood you correctly previously, then you need to be mounting and chrooting into hda3. From the time you chroot to hda3 until you close chroot by typing exit in the terminal, you need to remember you are typing commands, as if you are the user specified for that OS, on that partition. You have effectively brought that operating system to life, temporarily, and only in the command line. It hasn't booted up and isn't fully operational, but you can make it do things. At which point you should hopefully be able to carry out the other instructions given earlier by someone else to restore that system. Hope this might clear some things up for you? Alex From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 00:34:46 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Nov 7 00:34:52 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Informal AuckLUG meeting write up Message-ID: I've just gotten home from the first meeting I've organised. While I was reserved in my enthusiasm for numbers, I've got to say, we had more people there than I was expecting. While it looked like there was going to be 3 people sitting around a table wondering where everyone else was, there were actually around 15 people that turned up and while I regret that I didn't get to learn all of their names, it was a successful night I felt. So in terms of discussion, we talked about nothing specific. We had a brief talk about the meetings in Devonport and I'm just looking for details, as they may be changing, about these meetings. Other than that, there was nothing else worth mentioning (as far as I heard) said about AuckLUG. Subjects sort of jumped around from legalities to security to Ubuntu 8.10 bugs (Or in reverse order or some other completely different order - I'm not sure it's important.). I had an enjoyable time and I'm hoping everyone else at the meeting did so as well. We did sort of start out on the back deck having a smoke (weirdly enough around a third to a half of us are smokers) and there was someone there that objected strongly to this (I regret I didn't actually meet him) but other than that I think the night went pretty smoothly. Anyway, I think this sort of meeting may be of benefit to us. I did state that around mid-January I would be looking into organising some sort of event - either an installfest or any other idea that people may have around Open Source. I may modify that to February as I'd anticipate that this would be around the time that people get back from their holidays. I think that this sort of meet is inducive to brainstorming and so would definitely want to do another one of these around then. Which brings me back to next month. Should I organise something like this for next month? It's a bit of a hard month given that Xmas is just around the corner but if people want to do another informal meet and sit around with a beer in hand and talk about some possibly taboo subjects (such as piracy - Disclaimer: nothing was said-at all) and just generally enjoy discussion about all and sundry, let me know and I'll organise something. We can do the same thing at the same place or go out for a coffee or something. Regards, Nevyn. From swht at clear.net.nz Fri Nov 7 11:47:11 2008 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon taylor) Date: Fri Nov 7 11:47:23 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 42, Issue 12, Simon's 8.10 bug In-Reply-To: <78dufl$h2gaak@mxin1-orange.clear.net.nz> References: <78dufl$h2gaak@mxin1-orange.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <491373EF.2020003@clear.net.nz> Hi all, Nevyn, Ross, Alex - sdudley at Ubuntu forums added that the cman error rotates every 30 sec.s for 5 min.s and then the GUI loads. He followed the apt-get remove advice but without the partition info. in a Terminal in 8.10. Link for cman: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/intrepid/man5/cman.html worth reading since the prevailing metaphor is vote-counting! (Who is most linux-friendly? the acceptable face of the Nats? I don't think so. Good luck for tomorrow to all.) I'm about to log off here, Feisty and see if I can't bring both sdudley's advice together with that you guys have provided - especially with regard to partitions. (Any idea why it would have been set up to double itself? a bicameral computer? always suspected it knew.) The only thing I'm unclear on ... apart from whether it will work - I mean in terms of following instructions ... is the 'su' command. I'm hoping my username is simon - with no prefixes or suffixes; Terminal reads - simon@simon-desktop:~$ Will update as soon as I know. Best, Simon www.brazilcoffee.co.nz www.squarewhiteworld.com From nevynh at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 11:59:11 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Fri Nov 7 11:59:24 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 42, Issue 12, Simon's 8.10 bug In-Reply-To: <491373EF.2020003@clear.net.nz> References: <78dufl$h2gaak@mxin1-orange.clear.net.nz> <491373EF.2020003@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:47 AM, simon taylor wrote: > I'm about to log off here, Feisty and see if I can't bring both sdudley's > advice together with that you guys have provided - especially with regard to > partitions. (Any idea why it would have been set up to double itself? a > bicameral computer? always suspected it knew.) > So glad you said that - I was wondering this morning whether perhaps I was just seeing double last night ;) From swht at clear.net.nz Fri Nov 7 12:18:43 2008 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon) Date: Fri Nov 7 12:18:51 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 42, Issue 12, Simon's 8.10 bug is resolved In-Reply-To: References: <78dufl$h2gaak@mxin1-orange.clear.net.nz> <491373EF.2020003@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <49137B53.5010809@clear.net.nz> Dear all, thanks Nevyn, Ross, Alex and Mark ... UNbleepinBELIEVABLE! Success! the cman message on reboot does not repeat in perpetuity. Seeing it refresh every 30 sec.s I didn't wait. 5 min.s passed, exactly as sdudley said they would. (As they tend to - but then...) Then the GUI loaded. Intrepid Ibex has landed. The partition information - although useful to carry forward to future battles - was not necessary: a simple apt-get remove cman libfence3 and the rest as they say is ... Best, Simon ps. odd thing is that no history of correspondence or travails exists in thunderbird mail I'm using now. ... where in partition land would that be? www.brazilcoffee.co.nz www.squarewhiteworld.com From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Fri Nov 7 12:52:18 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Fri Nov 7 12:46:19 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 42, Issue 12, Simon's 8.10 bug is resolved In-Reply-To: <49137B53.5010809@clear.net.nz> References: <78dufl$h2gaak@mxin1-orange.clear.net.nz> <491373EF.2020003@clear.net.nz> <49137B53.5010809@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <49138332.6060908@symsys-it.co.nz> simon wrote: > Dear all, > > thanks Nevyn, Ross, Alex and Mark ... UNbleepinBELIEVABLE! Success! > > the cman message on reboot does not repeat in perpetuity. Seeing it > refresh every 30 sec.s I didn't wait. > > 5 min.s passed, exactly as sdudley said they would. (As they tend to - > but then...) Then the GUI loaded. Intrepid Ibex has landed. > > The partition information - although useful to carry forward to future > battles - was not necessary: a simple apt-get remove cman libfence3 > and the rest as they say is ... > > Best, > Simon > > ps. odd thing is that no history of correspondence or travails exists > in thunderbird mail I'm using now. ... where in partition land would > that be? > > www.brazilcoffee.co.nz > www.squarewhiteworld.com > Glad to here all is going well now Simon, enjoy Intrepid and have fun with it. For now I'm staying with Hardy and may end up on Lenny in the next few weeks, I just have to convince myself ultimately that I can afford half a day of downtime while I re-install :D Alex From daler263 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 7 13:45:14 2008 From: daler263 at yahoo.com (Dale Roberts) Date: Fri Nov 7 13:45:20 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Informal AuckLUG meeting write up- December option ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <88639.74618.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Excues my direct response, but i have enough in my inbox to deal with and sometimes a direct approach is more appropriate. I would like to have attended but my thursday evenings are already very busy and adding another event to my schedule would defer other commitments each thursday [or on the nite of an ALUG]. A change of circumstances in the past few months has prevented me from attending Monday evenings at University [location, timing, and venue itself], hence a review of an evening although ardusous at times does have the advantage of advisng those who could not make it a quick review of what could be recapped at a later stage. Thanks for a review of the evening that was, and Imay I suggest an option for the December evening as an end of year wrapup...... Over the past couple of years, Vic Diamond has been a welcome presenter of "where OS technology has changed in the past year in review and a futurist of what is to be expected in the coming year" at meetings i have managed to attend for the past couple of years. The 45 min presentation does require a data projector to link to his laptop and a suitable view wall option [screen/ panel], but has been a good social way to bring together a generic evening of social interaction. usual bring a biscuit pack, etc applies for afterwards. Only a mere suggestion, but does solve a few simple details of what / whom to have as a end of year wind down. looking forward to a meeting poss in December. Dale Roberts [An olde schooler but new to Open source as a user] From swht at clear.net.nz Sun Nov 9 18:18:17 2008 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon) Date: Sun Nov 9 18:18:53 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 upgrade aced my printer: help with re-install of drivers would be appreciated ... Message-ID: <49167299.2040807@clear.net.nz> Hi Linuxusers, at the risk of outstaying my welcome, and to prevail once more on your generosity, another issue has arisen with regard to upgrading from 8.04 to 8.10: my Epson Stylus C90 won't talk to it - or vice versa. Epson doesn't support Linux - a good enough reason to boycott them - so the workaround seems to be Gutenprint 5.0.1. ... which I've downloaded and extracted onto my desktop. And I don't know what the next step is: something to do with './configure' 'install' 'make install' with appropriate options added. System>Admin>Printing gives me a printer configuring box - ... I made the mistake of deleting the existing Gutenprint USB printer icon in the misguided belief that it would find the printer and go looking for the appropriate driver. Occasionally I forget it's not mcrsft. When the foregoing printer configuration utility was working the problem was a missing backend: /usr/lib/cups/backend/epson I've just re-checked the Printer Config. and it's found Stylus C-90 ... on trouble-shooting (a menu option) the print test page button gets the printer going - without printing. It just spews out sheet after sheet of blank paper - without cease. The Printer Config. gives this printer state: 'No% %Pages: comment in header!' Best, Simon From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 06:46:37 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Nov 10 06:46:42 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 upgrade aced my printer: help with re-install of drivers would be appreciated ... In-Reply-To: <49167299.2040807@clear.net.nz> References: <49167299.2040807@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 6:18 PM, simon wrote: > Hi Linuxusers, > > at the risk of outstaying my welcome, and to prevail once more on your > generosity, another issue has arisen with regard to upgrading from 8.04 to > 8.10: my Epson Stylus C90 won't talk to it - or vice versa. > > Epson doesn't support Linux - a good enough reason to boycott them - so the > workaround seems to be Gutenprint 5.0.1. ... which I've downloaded and > extracted onto my desktop. And I don't know what the next step is: something > to do with './configure' 'install' 'make install' with appropriate options > added. > > System>Admin>Printing gives me a printer configuring box - ... I made the > mistake of deleting the existing Gutenprint USB printer icon in the > misguided belief that it would find the printer and go looking for the > appropriate driver. Occasionally I forget it's not mcrsft. > > When the foregoing printer configuration utility was working the problem > was a missing backend: /usr/lib/cups/backend/epson > > I've just re-checked the Printer Config. and it's found Stylus C-90 ... on > trouble-shooting (a menu option) the print test page button gets the printer > going - without printing. It just spews out sheet after sheet of blank paper > - without cease. > > The Printer Config. gives this printer state: 'No% %Pages: comment in > header!' > > Best, > > Simon Hi Simon, This is not at all a problem. The list (NZLUG and AuckLUG) are there to help. Okay, first things first. A company not supporting Linux isn't necessarily a reason to boycott them. Had it been, Linux really wouldn't have gotten off the ground as it wouldn't support anything. Imagine not using a MS mouse because they don't support Linux. Now, for the printer. Gutenprint will most likely already be installed. In any case, it's a lot simpler to use the repositories rather than compiling yourself. So we'll have a look at what you've done. You've deleted some icon in the printer configuration screen which just means that printer is gone. So we need to put a new one there. So click on "add printer" and follow the steps. When you come up to the drivers screen (I.e. it asks you to pick type of printer you have from a list - stop. There's the possibility your printer won't be listed. This isn't at all a problem as your printer speaks the same language as a few other models whose drivers will work just fine. The Epson C68 and C79 both speak the same language so use one of these drivers (if your printer isn't listed. I can't confirm either which way). Continue to follow the on-screen instructions and soon you'll be able to test the printer. Regards, Nevyn. From swht at clear.net.nz Mon Nov 10 10:11:52 2008 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon) Date: Mon Nov 10 10:11:59 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 upgrade aced my printer: help with re-install of drivers would be appreciated ... Message-ID: <49175218.1000700@clear.net.nz> Hi Nevyn, I followed your suggestions. ... For Appsocket/HP JetDirect (one of three options when you enter config., the other two are Windows Printer via Samba and Other) the suggested driver was Turboprint - which offered a C79 driver. Which I chose. The printer did not respond at all. (see "error log 'printer'" - un-attached (file to big - bounced)) However, the config. had found a Stylus C90 located on the desktop - the result of my Gutenprint download? I don't know. I enabled this and went to print a testpage. The printer responded by spewing out sheet after sheet of blank paper. (see "Stylus C90 location desktop" - un-attached (file to big)) No wiser, I'm afraid. Thanks, Simon From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 10:36:18 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Nov 10 10:36:29 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 upgrade aced my printer: help with re-install of drivers would be appreciated ... In-Reply-To: <49175218.1000700@clear.net.nz> References: <49175218.1000700@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:11 AM, simon wrote: > Hi Nevyn, > > I followed your suggestions. ... For Appsocket/HP JetDirect (one of three > options when you enter config., the other two are Windows Printer via Samba > and Other) the suggested driver was Turboprint - which offered a C79 driver. > Which I chose. The printer did not respond at all. (see "error log > 'printer'" - un-attached (file to big - bounced)) > > However, the config. had found a Stylus C90 located on the desktop - the > result of my Gutenprint download? I don't know. I enabled this and went to > print a testpage. The printer responded by spewing out sheet after sheet of > blank paper. (see "Stylus C90 location desktop" - un-attached (file to big)) > > No wiser, I'm afraid. > > Thanks, > > Simon > Hi Simon, Generally not a good idea to try and attach a file here - as far as I know, it doesn't work. You can delete all that downloaded Gutenprint stuff - it should all be installed already and it takes a but of experience to play around with this sort of thing without breaking things. Personally I don't think I'd try this unless there was absolutely no other way. Given that there are no reports that I can find indicating that Gutenprint is broken in Ubuntu 8.10 using these files shouldn't be at all necessary. In fact, it's probably best you remove them so that they don't confuse the issue. Lets try this again. Remove any printers you configured by deleting them from the printer administration page and then see if you can get your computer to automatically detect it. The following link has instructions (with screenshots) for installing a printer: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/printing_ubuntu In the add a printer page, see if you can find the Epson Stylus C90. If you can't find an entry for the C90 try selecting C68 - it's a bit slower than the C79 drivers apparently but works. When you select a printer, it should give you a choice for the driver you want to use. Select the gutenprint drivers. If the printer doesn't show in the printer administration page, then something has gone wrong. I hate to be condescending but, have you checked your ink levels? I had a friend who was swearing and cursing about his printer not working in Linux although it appeared to work in Windows which he had blown away. It turns out he had run out of ink just as he decided to switch operating systems. Regards, Nevyn. From swht at clear.net.nz Mon Nov 10 10:53:46 2008 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon) Date: Mon Nov 10 10:53:55 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 upgrade aced my printer: help with re-install of drivers would be appreciated ...SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: <49167299.2040807@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <49175BEA.7090105@clear.net.nz> Hi Nevyn, went to http://localhost:631/ administration tab>find new printers>chose CUPS+gutenprint (CUPS v1.3.x) from window. Have successfully printed testpage. Printer is working. I knew I'd seen relevant info. somewhere: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/pls-help-me-install-epson-c90-printer-driver-602578/ Thanks, Simon www.brazilcoffee.co.nz www.squarewhiteworld.com From swht at clear.net.nz Mon Nov 10 10:55:06 2008 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon) Date: Mon Nov 10 10:55:11 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 upgrade aced my printer: help with re-install of drivers would be appreciated ... SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: <49175218.1000700@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <49175C3A.3050607@clear.net.nz> By the way - C68 was the one. Thanks again. Simon From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 10:59:05 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Nov 10 10:59:13 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 upgrade aced my printer: help with re-install of drivers would be appreciated ... SOLVED In-Reply-To: <49175C3A.3050607@clear.net.nz> References: <49175218.1000700@clear.net.nz> <49175C3A.3050607@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM, simon wrote: > > By the way - C68 was the one. > > Thanks again. > > Simon I should've known :) I have used the cups web interface myself from time to time and even saw the suggestion this morning when looking up a bit of info around your query. I was convinced that the Ubuntu supplied tool should be just as easy. Still - different ways to skin a cat. From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Mon Nov 10 11:15:15 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Mon Nov 10 11:08:34 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 upgrade aced my printer: help with re-install of drivers would be appreciated ... SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: <49175218.1000700@clear.net.nz> <49175C3A.3050607@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <491760F3.70405@symsys-it.co.nz> Nevyn wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM, simon wrote: > > >> By the way - C68 was the one. >> >> Thanks again. >> >> Simon >> > > > I should've known :) I have used the cups web interface myself from time to > time and even saw the suggestion this morning when looking up a bit of info > around your query. I was convinced that the Ubuntu supplied tool should be > just as easy. Still - different ways to skin a cat. > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > I was quite literally about to suggest the CUPS web interface and was typing the email as these latest updates entered my inbox, seems the C90 installs quite well through it. I've previously had quite a few problems with the Ubuntu printing interface, it just doesn't do what it says on the tin with a lot of printers. It's fine with HPs (For the most part) but anything other (Like our Canon ip5000 PIXMA) it just won't install properly. Glad to see you got it sorted. Alex From swht at clear.net.nz Mon Nov 10 11:20:14 2008 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon) Date: Mon Nov 10 11:20:20 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 upgrade aced my printer: help with re-install of drivers would be appreciated ... SOLVED In-Reply-To: <491760F3.70405@symsys-it.co.nz> References: <49175218.1000700@clear.net.nz> <49175C3A.3050607@clear.net.nz> <491760F3.70405@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <4917621E.8020000@clear.net.nz> Thanks all. Simon Alex Williams wrote: > > Nevyn wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM, simon wrote: >> >> >>> By the way - C68 was the one. >>> >>> Thanks again. >>> >>> Simon >>> >> >> >> I should've known :) I have used the cups web interface myself from >> time to >> time and even saw the suggestion this morning when looking up a bit >> of info >> around your query. I was convinced that the Ubuntu supplied tool >> should be >> just as easy. Still - different ways to skin a cat. >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > I was quite literally about to suggest the CUPS web interface and was > typing the email as these latest updates entered my inbox, seems the > C90 installs quite well through it. I've previously had quite a few > problems with the Ubuntu printing interface, it just doesn't do what > it says on the tin with a lot of printers. It's fine with HPs (For the > most part) but anything other (Like our Canon ip5000 PIXMA) it just > won't install properly. > > Glad to see you got it sorted. > > Alex > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From blakjak at blakjak.net Mon Nov 10 12:33:31 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Mon Nov 10 12:33:48 2008 Subject: About File Attachments to the List (was Re: [AuckLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 upgrade) In-Reply-To: References: <49175218.1000700@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <47911.119.15.0.26.1226273611.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> > Hi Simon, > > Generally not a good idea to try and attach a file here - as far as I > know, > it doesn't work. Admin note: Attachments are essentially verboten; we don't need every subscriber to see the message when only a proportion of them are even interested. Convention is to place the file online somewhere grabbable via HTTP or to email direct to parties that are interested, and/or copy/paste relevant bits. Mark. From freakalad at hotmail.com Tue Nov 11 11:37:50 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Nov 11 11:37:54 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi guys,Updage: AFAIK, there's no meet this week, but I'm arranging with Milan for our first WharfIT meet next Tuesday:Date/Time? Tues 18 Nov 2008, 19:00Topic? Ideas welcome. (sound engeneering? web-privacy/anon: TOR, privoxy, VM's? FOSS economics?)Bring (if you want to): some $ for a beer/drink/liveUSB , your eee/machine if you are stuck or just want to show off. Who? Anyone & everyone welcome. gLinux & non-linux user with open minds welcome. n00bs & pro's. We need speakers & members that are willing to take the lead on this, so it'll be a pretty open floor for all. Hope to get this link with details updated in time: http://wharfit.co.nz/Free_Software_meetings[please excuse my formatting; M$ in their infinite wisdom decided to totally screw hotmail for all non IE-windoze users] _________________________________________________________________ Free Windows Live software. Chat, search, share pics and more http://get.live.com/ From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Tue Nov 11 13:14:55 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Tue Nov 11 13:07:45 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4918CE7F.6080506@symsys-it.co.nz> Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Hi guys,Updage: AFAIK, there's no meet this week, but I'm arranging with Milan for our first WharfIT meet next Tuesday:Date/Time? Tues 18 Nov 2008, 19:00Topic? Ideas welcome. (sound engeneering? web-privacy/anon: TOR, privoxy, VM's? FOSS economics?)Bring (if you want to): some $ for a beer/drink/liveUSB , your eee/machine if you are stuck or just want to show off. Who? Anyone & everyone welcome. gLinux & non-linux user with open minds welcome. n00bs & pro's. We need speakers & members that are willing to take the lead on this, so it'll be a pretty open floor for all. Hope to get this link with details updated in time: http://wharfit.co.nz/Free_Software_meetings[please excuse my formatting; M$ in their infinite wisdom decided to totally screw hotmail for all non IE-windoze users] > _________________________________________________________________ > Free Windows Live software. Chat, search, share pics and more > http://get.live.com/_______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > You're not kidding with hotmail, I cannot even get to the message box to type any details in, it just won't allow it, in any browser on Linux, I've tried FF3, Flock and Opera but nothing doing. I'll probably be able to make this meet but with me actually being quite shy when it comes to public speaking I don't think I'll be volunteering for that part. I know you lot are thinking I talk a lot but that's in an informal group, not stood up being the center of attention and actually talking about something I'm supposedly an expert on, I end up feeling like a non-expert talking rubbish lol. I'll sit there quietly and listen :D. Alex From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 13:42:34 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Nov 11 13:42:40 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG meet In-Reply-To: <4918CE7F.6080506@symsys-it.co.nz> References: <4918CE7F.6080506@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Alex Williams wrote: > Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > >> Hi guys,Updage: AFAIK, there's no meet this week, but I'm arranging with >> Milan for our first WharfIT meet next Tuesday:Date/Time? Tues 18 Nov 2008, >> 19:00Topic? Ideas welcome. (sound engeneering? web-privacy/anon: TOR, >> privoxy, VM's? FOSS economics?)Bring (if you want to): some $ for a >> beer/drink/liveUSB , your eee/machine if you are stuck or just want to show >> off. Who? Anyone & everyone welcome. gLinux & non-linux user with open minds >> welcome. n00bs & pro's. We need speakers & members that are willing to take >> the lead on this, so it'll be a pretty open floor for all. Hope to get this >> link with details updated in time: >> http://wharfit.co.nz/Free_Software_meetings[pleaseexcuse my formatting; M$ in their infinite wisdom decided to totally screw >> hotmail for all non IE-windoze users] >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Free Windows Live software. Chat, search, share pics and more >> http://get.live.com/_______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> > You're not kidding with hotmail, I cannot even get to the message box to > type any details in, it just won't allow it, in any browser on Linux, I've > tried FF3, Flock and Opera but nothing doing. > > I'll probably be able to make this meet but with me actually being quite > shy when it comes to public speaking I don't think I'll be volunteering for > that part. I know you lot are thinking I talk a lot but that's in an > informal group, not stood up being the center of attention and actually > talking about something I'm supposedly an expert on, I end up feeling like a > non-expert talking rubbish lol. > > I'll sit there quietly and listen :D. > > Alex I'll most likely be there despite it being a bad day for me - I rather like pub quizes and Tuesday happens to be the night it's on as well as the occassional sound engineering outing (don't even think about it - I don't do any sound engineering in Linux. Embedded devices are nice for this sort of thing). And I won't be speaking either. Apart from being shy, I maintain I'm not an expert in anything. From robin.paulson at gmail.com Sun Nov 16 10:23:42 2008 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Sun Nov 16 10:23:47 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] xorg problems with ubuntu 8.10 Message-ID: <2f3aa2770811151323i598f8811x282f110f0ebc585b@mail.gmail.com> so, i got my desktop back up and running after the 8.10 upgrade hosed everythiong, and recovered all my settings and files the new xorg is causing problems though - i use an old monitor, a 1996 digital - and xorg detects the maximum res as 800 x 600, which is way off the mark since resolution settings aren't stored in xorg.conf anymore, does anyone here know how i can specify the resolution to use? thanks From swht at clear.net.nz Sun Nov 16 10:56:34 2008 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon) Date: Sun Nov 16 10:58:09 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] xorg problems with ubuntu 8.10 In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770811151323i598f8811x282f110f0ebc585b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770811151323i598f8811x282f110f0ebc585b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <491F4592.3060106@clear.net.nz> Hi Robin, with 8.04 I tried and tried to get refresh rate over 60hz - obvious thing is system>>preferences>>screen resolution ... but you probably know that ... Simon Robin Paulson wrote: > so, i got my desktop back up and running after the 8.10 upgrade hosed > everythiong, and recovered all my settings and files > > the new xorg is causing problems though - i use an old monitor, a 1996 > digital - and xorg detects the maximum res as 800 x 600, which is way > off the mark > > since resolution settings aren't stored in xorg.conf anymore, does > anyone here know how i can specify the resolution to use? > > thanks > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > From swht at clear.net.nz Sun Nov 16 10:57:43 2008 From: swht at clear.net.nz (simon) Date: Sun Nov 16 10:58:10 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] xorg problems with ubuntu 8.10 In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770811151323i598f8811x282f110f0ebc585b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770811151323i598f8811x282f110f0ebc585b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <491F45D7.6080504@clear.net.nz> Hi Robin, with 8.04 I tried and tried to get refresh rate over 60hz - obvious thing is system>>preferences>>screen resolution ... but you probably know that ... Simon Robin Paulson wrote: > so, i got my desktop back up and running after the 8.10 upgrade hosed > everythiong, and recovered all my settings and files > > the new xorg is causing problems though - i use an old monitor, a 1996 > digital - and xorg detects the maximum res as 800 x 600, which is way > off the mark > > since resolution settings aren't stored in xorg.conf anymore, does > anyone here know how i can specify the resolution to use? > > thanks > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > From candle.man.nz at gmail.com Sun Nov 16 14:28:52 2008 From: candle.man.nz at gmail.com (Kevin Adams) Date: Sun Nov 16 14:28:57 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] xorg problems with ubuntu 8.10 In-Reply-To: <491F45D7.6080504@clear.net.nz> References: <2f3aa2770811151323i598f8811x282f110f0ebc585b@mail.gmail.com> <491F45D7.6080504@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <5b6001920811151728x5269bb5ct536f3b0c0a363ad3@mail.gmail.com> Hi Robin, I don't know if this helps, but I had similar problems with it. I am on 8.04, I shut down, things reset on startup and I could make my changes. Like Simon I was using system>>preferences>>screen resolution. Kevin 2008/11/16 simon > Hi Robin, > with 8.04 I tried and tried to get refresh rate over 60hz - obvious thing > is system>>preferences>>screen resolution ... but you probably know that ... > > Simon > > Robin Paulson wrote: > >> so, i got my desktop back up and running after the 8.10 upgrade hosed >> everythiong, and recovered all my settings and files >> >> the new xorg is causing problems though - i use an old monitor, a 1996 >> digital - and xorg detects the maximum res as 800 x 600, which is way >> off the mark >> >> since resolution settings aren't stored in xorg.conf anymore, does >> anyone here know how i can specify the resolution to use? >> >> thanks >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From robin.paulson at gmail.com Sun Nov 16 14:41:43 2008 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Sun Nov 16 14:41:50 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] xorg problems with ubuntu 8.10 In-Reply-To: <5b6001920811151728x5269bb5ct536f3b0c0a363ad3@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770811151323i598f8811x282f110f0ebc585b@mail.gmail.com> <491F45D7.6080504@clear.net.nz> <5b6001920811151728x5269bb5ct536f3b0c0a363ad3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770811151741g4208be30y3d77fec692cdf7a3@mail.gmail.com> 2008/11/16 Kevin Adams : > I don't know if this helps, but I had similar problems with it. I am on > 8.04, I shut down, things reset on startup and I could make my changes. Like > Simon I was using > system>>preferences>>screen resolution. > yeah, i found that - unfortunately, that app is not populated with all available resolutions, only vga and svga from what i can find on the web, res values in xorg.conf are now ignored, so i don't know where i should specify them From freakalad at hotmail.com Mon Nov 17 11:29:10 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Nov 17 11:29:16 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG meets Message-ID: Hi guys,Sorry this is a bit 11th hour, but Milan's been a bit busy with other activities, and hasn't had time to get around to posting this info to the WharfIT site yet. I've also created a FaceBook group page (AuckGLUG) to act as a Social Network point-of-contact: http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=93650775243What? AuckLUG http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklugWhere? WharfIT http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-36.83157&lon=174.7948&zoom=17When? 1st & 3rd Tuesday of every month (2 week intervals), from 18:30-19:00 (coordinated with ferry-times)Why? Free Software: philosophy & discussions, networking, help, workshops & install-festsHow? http://www.fullers.co.nz/index.php/pi_pageid/206How much? FREE! $0.00 null (donations welcome; guest speakers may get thirsty - beer welcome)Bring? open minds, friends & family, n00b & pro's, IT "toys", disks or flash-drives to copy software (also available for sale on-site), snacks and/or $ for a drink. Or not; it's your freedom to chooseAlso need am amendable "footnote" to past & upcoming events, topics & speakers18 NovMeet & greet, with toys. Fighting for our freedoms. Ibex irritations.MediBuntu, Ubuntu Studio: MultiMedia on Linux; catering to members with interest in sound engineeringOpen floor. Speaker suggestions welcome2 DecOpenOffice.org v.3Graham Lauder (OOo NZ rep. openopportunities.co.nz)16 DecSecurity, privacy & anonymity. Simple & effective steps: the 101.Tor, FF+NS, cryptography (is it worth the hassle?)Open Floor (seeking academia, NZISIG's or OWASP's)30 DecYou're not serious?Drinking, of course!6 JanuaryRecovering from that hangover; back to school.Automated backups, data-recovery.Workshops?Basic outline, but points a way forward. Please note that these last events at the turn of the year are in flux, and merely suggestion for something to do for those of us that actually DON'T have livesComments (& flames?) welcome- Jaco _________________________________________________________________ Are you getting paid enough? Find out at the SEEK Salary Centre http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fmsn%2Eseek%2Eco%2Enz%2Fcareer%2Dresources%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Atl%3Anzsc%3Amsnnz%3A0%3Ahottag%3Apaidenough&_t=757263783&_r=SEEKNZ_tagline&_m=EXT From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Mon Nov 17 11:57:13 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Mon Nov 17 11:48:39 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG meets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4920A549.503@symsys-it.co.nz> Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Hi guys,Sorry this is a bit 11th hour, but Milan's been a bit busy with other activities, and hasn't had time to get around to posting this info to the WharfIT site yet. I've also created a FaceBook group page (AuckGLUG) to act as a Social Network point-of-contact: http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=93650775243What? AuckLUG http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklugWhere? WharfIT http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-36.83157&lon=174.7948&zoom=17When? 1st & 3rd Tuesday of every month (2 week intervals), from 18:30-19:00 (coordinated with ferry-times)Why? Free Software: philosophy & discussions, networking, help, workshops & install-festsHow? http://www.fullers.co.nz/index.php/pi_pageid/206How much? FREE! $0.00 null (donations welcome; guest speakers may get thirsty - beer welcome)Bring? open minds, friends & family, n00b & pro's, IT "toys", disks or flash-drives to copy software (also available for sale on-site), snacks and/or $ for a drink. Or not; it's your freedom to chooseAlso need am amendable "footnote" to past & upcoming events, topics & speakers18 NovMeet & greet, with toys. Fighting for our freedoms. Ibex irritations.MediBuntu, Ubuntu Studio: MultiMedia on Linux; catering to members with interest in sound engineeringOpen floor. Speaker suggestions welcome2 DecOpenOffice.org v.3Graham Lauder (OOo NZ rep. openopportunities.co.nz)16 DecSecurity, privacy & anonymity. Simple & effective steps: the 101.Tor, FF+NS, cryptography (is it worth the hassle?)Open Floor (seeking academia, NZISIG's or OWASP's)30 DecYou're not serious?Drinking, of course!6 JanuaryRecovering from that hangover; back to school.Automated backups, data-recovery.Workshops?Basic outline, but points a way forward. Please note that these last events at the turn of the year are in flux, and merely suggestion for something to do for those of us that actually DON'T have livesComments (& flames?) welcome- Jaco > _________________________________________________________________ > Are you getting paid enough? Find out at the SEEK Salary Centre > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fmsn%2Eseek%2Eco%2Enz%2Fcareer%2Dresources%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Atl%3Anzsc%3Amsnnz%3A0%3Ahottag%3Apaidenough&_t=757263783&_r=SEEKNZ_tagline&_m=EXT_______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > Dude you're gunna have to stop using Hotmail because I can't read that at all, it's like spam :s I kinda grasped that it's WharfIT which is somewhere near fullers ferry building? Is there beer there or do you bring your own? etc. lol If you're having the same problem on hotmail as I used to have on seek.co.nz when typing a cover letter where it won't let you hit enter, just open up a text editor like Kate, write it in there then copy n paste into hotmail and it should format it properly. I know it's not your fault mate but I honest can't read half of it sorry. Alex From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Mon Nov 17 14:05:22 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Mon Nov 17 13:56:45 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Advertising on the LUG list? Message-ID: <4920C352.9050608@symsys-it.co.nz> Hi guys, We've just come up with some specials for the Christmas period and I wanted to offer them to the LUG before we put them on the site or got anything printed up (Will be happening in the next few weeks) but I wanted to check what the rules were about advertising and such things through the list, I have had a very brief look around linux.net.nz and can't find anything to say I can't, but thought I should still ask first so as not to upset anyone or break any rules. So here goes : Would it be ok if I were to post some offers through here? Primarily just so that LUG members get to see the offers before the rest of the public. Oh and I'm not talking about making this a regular thing just with the time to purchase christmas presents coming up I thought it might be a good idea. If it's not allowed please let me know and I won't post anything. Alex From freakalad at hotmail.com Mon Nov 17 14:37:48 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Nov 17 14:37:55 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] FaceBook presence Message-ID: DAMN this M$-rubbish!....Created FB page for events, dynamic interactivity & linx: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=93650775243 _________________________________________________________________ AirNZ vs Pacific Blue & heaps more! Book now. http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fadsfac%2Enet%2Flink%2Easp%3Fcc%3DHOT056%2E76008%2E0%26clk%3D1%26creativeID%3D108913&_t=773821977&_r=HoT_tagline&_m=EXT From chemuduguntar at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 14:56:03 2008 From: chemuduguntar at gmail.com (Ravi Chemudugunta) Date: Mon Nov 17 14:56:08 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] FaceBook presence In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7a4208ef0811161756i7f2ebc06h27602d4d1512f2b3@mail.gmail.com> i'd much rather like being spammed on my email than some obscure social networking web 2.0 super bang stuff From milan at organicdesign.co.nz Mon Nov 17 15:46:49 2008 From: milan at organicdesign.co.nz (Milan Holzapfel) Date: Mon Nov 17 15:47:01 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Free Software Meetings @ Wharfit Message-ID: <1226890009.10358.9.camel@milan-inspiron> Hi Guys, Here is the updated meeting info off our page: http://www.wharfit.co.nz/Free_Software_meetings Wharf IT meetings If you are curious about free software, would like to see what can be done using this software or would like to ask experts about how to change over to using only free software, why not come to one of our information evenings. These are informal meetings where beginners and enthusiasts alike can discuss the ins and outs of free software. Upon request, we can arrange expert presentations on various topics. Meeting details * What? AuckLUG * Where? WharfIT Shop 21, Devonport Wharf complex * When? 1st & 3rd Tuesday of every month (2 week intervals), from 18:30-19:00 (coordinated with ferry-times, see ferry timetable) * Why? Free Software: philosophy & discussions, networking, help, workshops & install-fests * How much? FREE! $0.00, null (donations welcome; guest speakers may get thirsty - beer welcome) * Bring? open minds, friends & family, n00b & pro's, IT "toys", disks or flash-drives to copy software (also available for sale on-site), snacks and/or $ for a drink. Or not; it's your freedom to choose Meeting program Suggestions, changes and additions welcome! 18 Nov 2008 * Meet & greet, with toys. Fighting for our freedoms. Ibex irritations. * MediBuntu, Ubuntu Studio: MultiMedia on Linux; catering to members with interest in sound engineering * Open floor. Speaker suggestions welcome 2 Dec 2008 * OpenOffice.org v.3 * Graham Lauder (OOo NZ rep. openopportunities.co.nz) 16 Dec 2008 * Security, privacy & anonymity. Simple & effective steps: the 101. * Tor, FF+NS, cryptography (is it worth the hassle?) * Open Floor (seeking academia, NZISIG's or OWASP's) 30 Dec 2008 * You're not serious? * Drinking, of course! * Maybe bring some cases of Beck's beer 6 January 2009 * Recovering from that hangover; back to school. * Automated backups, data-recovery. * Workshops? Milan Holzapfel Community Guy Documentation and Support Organic Design http://www.organicdesign.co.nz 021 141 1677 Skype: fr33_m4n PO Box 32211 Devonport 0744 North Shore City From blakjak at blakjak.net Mon Nov 17 17:16:16 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Mon Nov 17 17:16:25 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG meets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jaco. Nice idea. Two points. 1. Before doing anything under AuckLUG's name it'd be nice if you checked with people first. 2. Had you done 1. You'd realise that we are the Auckland Linux Users group (AuckLUG) and there's been no discussion around changing the groups name. Why make it confusing? 3. Why do I see 6 almost identical instances of same on facebook when one will do? There is an official email address for contacting the lug (published on the website found in the bottom of every post to the list... it is aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz) and I encourage its use before taking steps such as this. If you want to create a Linux Group on Facebook be my guest; just don't use the terms 'AuckLUG' or 'Auckland Linux users Group' or attempt to infer endorsement from the LUG without at least speaking to someone first? That would seem to be good manners at least. Mark. On Sun, 16 Nov 2008, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > Hi guys,Sorry this is a bit 11th hour, but Milan's been a bit busy with other activities, and hasn't had time to get around to posting this info to the WharfIT site yet. I've also created a FaceBook group page (AuckGLUG) to act as a Social Network point-of-contact: http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=93650775243What? AuckLUG http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklugWhere? WharfIT http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-36.83157&lon=174.7948&zoom=17When? 1st & 3rd Tuesday of every month (2 week intervals), from 18:30-19:00 (coordinated with ferry-times)Why? Free Software: philosophy & discussions, networking, help, workshops & install-festsHow? http://www.fullers.co.nz/index.php/pi_pageid/206How much? FREE! $0.00 null (donations welcome; guest speakers may get thirsty - beer welcome)Bring? open minds, friends & family, n00b & pro's, IT "toys", disks or flash-drives to copy software (also available for sale on-site), snacks and/or $ for a drink. Or not; it's your freedom to chooseAlso need am amendable "footnote" to past & upcoming events, topics & speakers18 NovMeet & greet, with toys. Fighting for our freedoms. Ibex irritations.MediBuntu, Ubuntu Studio: MultiMedia on Linux; catering to members with interest in sound engineeringOpen floor. Speaker suggestions welcome2 DecOpenOffice.org v.3Graham Lauder (OOo NZ rep. openopportunities.co.nz)16 DecSecurity, privacy & anonymity. Simple & effective steps: the 101.Tor, FF+NS, cryptography (is it worth the hassle?)Open Floor (seeking academia, NZISIG's or OWASP's)30 DecYou're not serious?Drinking, of course!6 JanuaryRecovering from that hangover; back to school.Automated backups, data-recovery.Workshops?Basic outline, but points a way forward. Please note that these last events at the turn of the year are in flux, and merely suggestion for something to do for those of us that actually DON'T have livesComments (& flames?) welcome- Jaco > _________________________________________________________________ > Are you getting paid enough? Find out at the SEEK Salary Centre > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fmsn%2Eseek%2Eco%2Enz%2Fcareer%2Dresources%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Atl%3Anzsc%3Amsnnz%3A0%3Ahottag%3Apaidenough&_t=757263783&_r=SEEKNZ_tagline&_m=EXT_______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From blakjak at blakjak.net Mon Nov 17 17:19:25 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Mon Nov 17 17:19:33 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Advertising on the LUG list? In-Reply-To: <4920C352.9050608@symsys-it.co.nz> References: <4920C352.9050608@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: Alex, The Auckland Linux Users Group has an AUP which I'vec previously posted reference to on the list, however, the astute amongst our readers will have noticed they're almost word-for-word identical to those on the NZLUG site. http://www.linux.net.nz/node/view/127 Note: Posts of a blatantly commercial nature are not permitted. Posts advising of new linux related products are acceptable, but should try to remain objective. Links to vendors websites, etc, are appropriate. In other words if your advertising is commercial in nature it's a no-go. If you're not sure about the commerciality of the material you wish to post, email the -owner address I mentioned in my last email with an indication of what it'll contain and we'll see how to best handle it. Cheers Mark. On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Alex Williams wrote: > Hi guys, > > We've just come up with some specials for the Christmas period and I wanted > to offer them to the LUG before we put them on the site or got anything > printed up (Will be happening in the next few weeks) but I wanted to check > what the rules were about advertising and such things through the list, I > have had a very brief look around linux.net.nz and can't find anything to say > I can't, but thought I should still ask first so as not to upset anyone or > break any rules. So here goes : > > Would it be ok if I were to post some offers through here? Primarily just so > that LUG members get to see the offers before the rest of the public. Oh and > I'm not talking about making this a regular thing just with the time to > purchase christmas presents coming up I thought it might be a good idea. > > If it's not allowed please let me know and I won't post anything. > > Alex > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From blakjak at blakjak.net Mon Nov 17 17:22:24 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Mon Nov 17 17:22:29 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG meets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Disregard 3. They're the meetings you created. Jaco, please email me offlist regarding the Facebook page. Mark. On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Mark Foster wrote: > Jaco. Nice idea. > Two points. > > 1. Before doing anything under AuckLUG's name it'd be nice if you checked > with people first. > > 2. Had you done 1. You'd realise that we are the Auckland Linux Users group > (AuckLUG) and there's been no discussion around changing the groups name. Why > make it confusing? > > 3. Why do I see 6 almost identical instances of same on facebook when one > will do? > > There is an official email address for contacting the lug (published on the > website found in the bottom of every post to the list... it is > aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz) and I encourage its use before taking steps such > as this. > > If you want to create a Linux Group on Facebook be my guest; just don't use > the terms 'AuckLUG' or 'Auckland Linux users Group' or attempt to infer > endorsement from the LUG without at least speaking to someone first? That > would seem to be good manners at least. > > Mark. > > > On Sun, 16 Nov 2008, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > >> >> Hi guys,Sorry this is a bit 11th hour, but Milan's been a bit busy with >> other activities, and hasn't had time to get around to posting this info to >> the WharfIT site yet. I've also created a FaceBook group page (AuckGLUG) to >> act as a Social Network point-of-contact: >> http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=93650775243What? AuckLUG >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklugWhere? WharfIT >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-36.83157&lon=174.7948&zoom=17When? 1st & >> 3rd Tuesday of every month (2 week intervals), from 18:30-19:00 >> (coordinated with ferry-times)Why? Free Software: philosophy & discussions, >> networking, help, workshops & install-festsHow? >> http://www.fullers.co.nz/index.php/pi_pageid/206How much? FREE! $0.00 null >> (donations welcome; guest speakers may get thirsty - beer welcome)Bring? >> open minds, friends & family, n00b & pro's, IT "toys", disks or >> flash-drives to copy software (also available for sale on-site), snacks >> and/or $ for a drink. Or not; it's your freedom to chooseAlso need am >> amendable "footnote" to past & upcoming events, topics & speakers18 NovMeet >> & greet, with toys. Fighting for our freedoms. Ibex irritations.MediBuntu, >> Ubuntu Studio: MultiMedia on Linux; catering to members with interest in >> sound engineeringOpen floor. Speaker suggestions welcome2 DecOpenOffice.org >> v.3Graham Lauder (OOo NZ rep. openopportunities.co.nz)16 DecSecurity, >> privacy & anonymity. Simple & effective steps: the 101.Tor, FF+NS, >> cryptography (is it worth the hassle?)Open Floor (seeking academia, >> NZISIG's or OWASP's)30 DecYou're not serious?Drinking, of course!6 >> JanuaryRecovering from that hangover; back to school.Automated backups, >> data-recovery.Workshops?Basic outline, but points a way forward. Please >> note that these last events at the turn of the year are in flux, and merely >> suggestion for something to do for those of us that actually DON'T have >> livesComments (& flames?) welcome- Jaco >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Are you getting paid enough? Find out at the SEEK Salary Centre >> http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fmsn%2Eseek%2Eco%2Enz%2Fcareer%2Dresources%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Atl%3Anzsc%3Amsnnz%3A0%3Ahottag%3Apaidenough&_t=757263783&_r=SEEKNZ_tagline&_m=EXT_______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From blakjak at blakjak.net Mon Nov 17 17:28:36 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Mon Nov 17 17:28:40 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Advertising on the LUG list? In-Reply-To: References: <4920C352.9050608@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: Just (mostly) fixed the Auckland Linux Users Group Website post my server failurelast week. http://auckland.linux.net.nz/aup.html for the record. Mark. On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Mark Foster wrote: > Alex, > > The Auckland Linux Users Group has an AUP which I'vec previously posted > reference to on the list, however, the astute amongst our readers will have > noticed they're almost word-for-word identical to those on the NZLUG site. > > http://www.linux.net.nz/node/view/127 > > Note: > > Posts of a blatantly commercial nature are not permitted. Posts advising of > new linux related products are acceptable, but should try to remain > objective. Links to vendors websites, etc, are appropriate. > > In other words if your advertising is commercial in nature it's a no-go. If > you're not sure about the commerciality of the material you wish to post, > email the -owner address I mentioned in my last email with an indication of > what it'll contain and we'll see how to best handle it. > > Cheers > Mark. > > > > On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Alex Williams wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> We've just come up with some specials for the Christmas period and I wanted >> to offer them to the LUG before we put them on the site or got anything >> printed up (Will be happening in the next few weeks) but I wanted to check >> what the rules were about advertising and such things through the list, I >> have had a very brief look around linux.net.nz and can't find anything to >> say I can't, but thought I should still ask first so as not to upset anyone >> or break any rules. So here goes : >> >> Would it be ok if I were to post some offers through here? Primarily just >> so that LUG members get to see the offers before the rest of the public. Oh >> and I'm not talking about making this a regular thing just with the time to >> purchase christmas presents coming up I thought it might be a good idea. >> >> If it's not allowed please let me know and I won't post anything. >> >> Alex >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Mon Nov 17 18:03:34 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Mon Nov 17 17:54:55 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Advertising on the LUG list? In-Reply-To: References: <4920C352.9050608@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <4920FB26.6080907@symsys-it.co.nz> Thanks for that Mark, I had tried to look on the AuckLUG site itself earlier today and got the message from blakjak that it was down due to the server issues and I must confess to not being aware that the linux.net.nz AUP was similar or even existed. I don't have the products up on the web at the moment as the shop part of the site is still being coded (By me) and won't be ready for a few weeks, hence the thought of offering it to the LUG in advance of the shop being finished. The shop will be running in a few weeks (hopefully) and I'll check with you off-list before posting anything to verify it isn't breaking any rules. Alex Mark Foster wrote: > Just (mostly) fixed the Auckland Linux Users Group Website post my > server failurelast week. http://auckland.linux.net.nz/aup.html for > the record. > > Mark. > > On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Mark Foster wrote: > >> Alex, >> >> The Auckland Linux Users Group has an AUP which I'vec previously >> posted reference to on the list, however, the astute amongst our >> readers will have noticed they're almost word-for-word identical to >> those on the NZLUG site. >> >> http://www.linux.net.nz/node/view/127 >> >> Note: >> >> Posts of a blatantly commercial nature are not permitted. Posts >> advising of new linux related products are acceptable, but should try >> to remain objective. Links to vendors websites, etc, are appropriate. >> >> In other words if your advertising is commercial in nature it's a >> no-go. If you're not sure about the commerciality of the material you >> wish to post, email the -owner address I mentioned in my last email >> with an indication of what it'll contain and we'll see how to best >> handle it. >> >> Cheers >> Mark. >> >> >> >> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Alex Williams wrote: >> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> We've just come up with some specials for the Christmas period and I >>> wanted to offer them to the LUG before we put them on the site or >>> got anything printed up (Will be happening in the next few weeks) >>> but I wanted to check what the rules were about advertising and such >>> things through the list, I have had a very brief look around >>> linux.net.nz and can't find anything to say I can't, but thought I >>> should still ask first so as not to upset anyone or break any rules. >>> So here goes : >>> >>> Would it be ok if I were to post some offers through here? Primarily >>> just so that LUG members get to see the offers before the rest of >>> the public. Oh and I'm not talking about making this a regular thing >>> just with the time to purchase christmas presents coming up I >>> thought it might be a good idea. >>> >>> If it's not allowed please let me know and I won't post anything. >>> >>> Alex >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From blakjak at blakjak.net Mon Nov 17 17:57:30 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Mon Nov 17 17:57:34 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Advertising on the LUG list? In-Reply-To: <4920FB26.6080907@symsys-it.co.nz> References: <4920C352.9050608@symsys-it.co.nz> <4920FB26.6080907@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: Thanks Alex. That's great - we really appreciate your support and your consideration with regards to checking first. For yours (and others) info I am overseas on business at the moment and am not back in NZ til Monday, whats more, the internet at my hotel is pretty average in terms of comms back into NZ... so I may a bit more delayed than usual addressing LUG matters until I get back... Cheers Mark. On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Alex Williams wrote: > Thanks for that Mark, I had tried to look on the AuckLUG site itself earlier > today and got the message from blakjak that it was down due to the server > issues and I must confess to not being aware that the linux.net.nz AUP was > similar or even existed. I don't have the products up on the web at the > moment as the shop part of the site is still being coded (By me) and won't be > ready for a few weeks, hence the thought of offering it to the LUG in advance > of the shop being finished. > > The shop will be running in a few weeks (hopefully) and I'll check with you > off-list before posting anything to verify it isn't breaking any rules. > > Alex > > Mark Foster wrote: >> Just (mostly) fixed the Auckland Linux Users Group Website post my server >> failurelast week. http://auckland.linux.net.nz/aup.html for the record. >> >> Mark. >> >> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Mark Foster wrote: >> >>> Alex, >>> >>> The Auckland Linux Users Group has an AUP which I'vec previously posted >>> reference to on the list, however, the astute amongst our readers will >>> have noticed they're almost word-for-word identical to those on the NZLUG >>> site. >>> >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/node/view/127 >>> >>> Note: >>> >>> Posts of a blatantly commercial nature are not permitted. Posts advising >>> of new linux related products are acceptable, but should try to remain >>> objective. Links to vendors websites, etc, are appropriate. >>> >>> In other words if your advertising is commercial in nature it's a no-go. >>> If you're not sure about the commerciality of the material you wish to >>> post, email the -owner address I mentioned in my last email with an >>> indication of what it'll contain and we'll see how to best handle it. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Mark. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Alex Williams wrote: >>> >>>> Hi guys, >>>> >>>> We've just come up with some specials for the Christmas period and I >>>> wanted to offer them to the LUG before we put them on the site or got >>>> anything printed up (Will be happening in the next few weeks) but I >>>> wanted to check what the rules were about advertising and such things >>>> through the list, I have had a very brief look around linux.net.nz and >>>> can't find anything to say I can't, but thought I should still ask first >>>> so as not to upset anyone or break any rules. So here goes : >>>> >>>> Would it be ok if I were to post some offers through here? Primarily just >>>> so that LUG members get to see the offers before the rest of the public. >>>> Oh and I'm not talking about making this a regular thing just with the >>>> time to purchase christmas presents coming up I thought it might be a >>>> good idea. >>>> >>>> If it's not allowed please let me know and I won't post anything. >>>> >>>> Alex >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AuckLUG mailing list >>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From freakalad at hotmail.com Mon Nov 17 18:34:44 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Nov 17 18:34:56 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] auckGlug not AuckLUG; still rooting for the same team Message-ID: Hi guys. Hotmail mail again (my public/newsletters account for years now), so please excuse poor formatting.FB page is not intended to distract from the official channels, but merely to feed into existing organs out of that social network aspect (links & addresses are pointing away). There seems to be a need to cater to a larger audience, and not to be insistant upon Linux-only. To address this, we included the term "GNU" & "Free software Meetings" to broaden the appeal & not scare off potential new users. No disrespect is intended, and any of the official leader are more than welcome to take over the group (actually, I'd prefer if someone else could come aboard & take charge, as I'll probaly just use the area to post links, events & host suggestions for future events).The idea of having the group originally, originated from SFD discussions a way back & comments made about new recruits. Means of raising visibility & keeping pace with current trends. (We're hoping lure Canonical & NZOSS as sponsors for next year's SFD)Some members prefer not to get onto FB, but have confirmed the page is viewable as non-members. I would concede that the choice of name may have been a poor choice, as the GNU/Linux vs Linux may not be distinctive enough. Would you prefer I turf that group & set up something more distinctive, or would a clause on the page suffice? As for the other groups, I'm having trouble to locate those you may be referring to. If there was an existing group, I would've simply joined.Please guys, what we are doing is not meant to distract from what AuckLUG are doing or to dilute your efforts, but is meant as a way forward in addressing particular needs (N-shore chapter, workshops/install-fests, new recruits, get-out-of-basement social interaction, beer & bitchin', M$-bashing). I think we all have best intentions at heart, and I doubt that any of our efforts would be counter-productive if we have the same goals. Mark, I'll try to get hold of you a bit later (boss is watching). Please feel free to join us @ WharfIT tomorrow night, if you can make it (I'll spot you a beer)-Jaco _________________________________________________________________ Rental properties galore. Start searching now. http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eallrealestate%2Eco%2Enz%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Frsearch%3Fa%3Dbhp%26t%3Dren%26cu%3Frsf%3Dmsnz%5Ftextlink&_t=26000&_r=REANZ_tagline&_m=EXT From blakjak at blakjak.net Mon Nov 17 18:41:07 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Mon Nov 17 18:41:14 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] auckGlug not AuckLUG; still rooting for the same team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jaco. There's no harm in a Facebook Group it just needs to be done correctly. I look forward to hearing back from you offlist so this can be squared away. I won't be at WharfIT - i'm on the US East Coast at present, it's a bit far. :-) On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > Hi guys. Hotmail mail again (my public/newsletters account for years now), so please excuse poor formatting.FB page is not intended to distract from the official channels, but merely to feed into existing organs out of that social network aspect (links & addresses are pointing away). There seems to be a need to cater to a larger audience, and not to be insistant upon Linux-only. To address this, we included the term "GNU" & "Free software Meetings" to broaden the appeal & not scare off potential new users. No disrespect is intended, and any of the official leader are more than welcome to take over the group (actually, I'd prefer if someone else could come aboard & take charge, as I'll probaly just use the area to post links, events & host suggestions for future events).The idea of having the group originally, originated from SFD discussions a way back & comments made about new recruits. Means of raising visibility & keeping pace with current trends. (We're hoping lure Canonical & NZOSS as sponsors for next year's SFD)Some members prefer not to get onto FB, but have confirmed the page is viewable as non-members. I would concede that the choice of name may have been a poor choice, as the GNU/Linux vs Linux may not be distinctive enough. Would you prefer I turf that group & set up something more distinctive, or would a clause on the page suffice? As for the other groups, I'm having trouble to locate those you may be referring to. If there was an existing group, I would've simply joined.Please guys, what we are doing is not meant to distract from what AuckLUG are doing or to dilute your efforts, but is meant as a way forward in addressing particular needs (N-shore chapter, workshops/install-fests, new recruits, get-out-of-basement social interaction, beer & bitchin', M$-bashing). I think we all have best intentions at heart, and I doubt that any of our efforts would be counter-productive if we have the same goals. Mark, I'll try to get hold of you a bit later (boss is watching). Please feel free to join us @ WharfIT tomorrow night, if you can make it (I'll spot you a beer)-Jaco > _________________________________________________________________ > Rental properties galore. Start searching now. > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eallrealestate%2Eco%2Enz%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Frsearch%3Fa%3Dbhp%26t%3Dren%26cu%3Frsf%3Dmsnz%5Ftextlink&_t=26000&_r=REANZ_tagline&_m=EXT > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From jrt746 at clear.net.nz Mon Nov 17 22:22:28 2008 From: jrt746 at clear.net.nz (John Rye) Date: Mon Nov 17 22:24:26 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] auckGlug not AuckLUG; still rooting for the same team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081117222228.340d2319.jrt746@clear.net.nz> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:34:44 +0000 Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > Hi guys. Hotmail mail again (my public/newsletters account for years now), so please excuse poor formatting.FB page is not intended to distract from the official channels, but merely to feed into existing organs out of that social network aspect (links & addresses are pointing away). There seems to be a need to cater to a larger audience, and not to be insistant upon Linux-only. To address this, we included the term "GNU" & "Free software Meetings" to broaden the appeal & not scare off potential new users. No disrespect is intended, and any of the official leader are more than welcome to take over the group (actually, I'd prefer if someone else could come aboard & take charge, as I'll probaly just use the area to post links, events & host suggestions for future events).The idea of having the group originally, originated from SFD discussions a way back & comments made about new recruits. Means of raising visibility & keeping pace with current trends. (We're hoping lure Canonical & N > _________________________________________________________________ > Rental properties galore. Start searching now. > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eallrealestate%2Eco%2Enz%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Frsearch%3Fa%3Dbhp%26t%3Dren%26cu%3Frsf%3Dmsnz%5Ftextlink&_t=26000&_r=REANZ_tagline&_m=EXT > _______________________________________________ Jaco, have you considered just how difficult your mails are to read? Please use some white-space John From chemuduguntar at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 22:26:08 2008 From: chemuduguntar at gmail.com (Ravi Chemudugunta) Date: Mon Nov 17 22:26:12 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] auckGlug not AuckLUG; still rooting for the same team In-Reply-To: <20081117222228.340d2319.jrt746@clear.net.nz> References: <20081117222228.340d2319.jrt746@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <7a4208ef0811170126k7e84b96ak51f7fd6eafbace88@mail.gmail.com> people, lets not antagonize hotmail users! From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 00:41:36 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Nov 18 00:41:47 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] auckGlug not AuckLUG; still rooting for the same team In-Reply-To: <7a4208ef0811170126k7e84b96ak51f7fd6eafbace88@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081117222228.340d2319.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <7a4208ef0811170126k7e84b96ak51f7fd6eafbace88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Ravi Chemudugunta wrote: > people, lets not antagonize hotmail users! Perhaps antagonizing hotmail users will trigger some sort of effect such... lets see... if hotmail is no longer doing the job that people have relied on it to do for a number of years (whether through it's incompatibility through different browsers or spam filtering), then perhaps it's time to change their free web mail provider. Regards, Nevyn. From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Nov 18 03:15:47 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Nov 18 03:15:58 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] auckGlug not AuckLUG; still rooting for the same team In-Reply-To: <7a4208ef0811170126k7e84b96ak51f7fd6eafbace88@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081117222228.340d2319.jrt746@clear.net.nz> <7a4208ef0811170126k7e84b96ak51f7fd6eafbace88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ravi - Why not? :-) Hotmail is old-school (I have one but it's a legacy) but I would hardly encourage it's use day-to-day when there are better options available. As such I have no problems recommending people evaluate alternatives. Mark. On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Ravi Chemudugunta wrote: > people, lets not antagonize hotmail users! > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Nov 18 03:26:12 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Nov 18 03:26:16 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] ADMIN: Post Formatting and such Message-ID: Sorry Jaco, you're now the example... Folks I draw your attention to the AUP: http://auckland.linux.net.nz/aup.html PLEASE read it if you havn't already. Among other things: "Use appropriate case, punctuation and paragraph formatting. Please try to maintain a reasonable level of spelling and grammar." Above all else be considerate in your postings, of the community. Style, language, tone, formatting, all output to a degree of consideration for those who're reading your post. There are plenty of options on your email clients these days, there are rarely excuses for long term problems around mail formatting, quote formats/style conflicts and so on. Finally I would remind people that the Auckland LUG is a 'brand' over which a number of people have worked for a good few years. We have invested in this 'Brand' and to a degree we are cross-associated with Linux Users Groups across the country and work in conjunction with the wider-audience NZLUG. Be aware then that actions taken under the auspices of the LUG may impact (positively or negatively) on a whole bunch of other people nationwide. We're here to discuss, help with, and advocate, Linux (primarily for Aucklanders, but at a wider scale as well) and we operate in a spirit of friendship, cooperation, and consideration. If you have any questions, ideas for things which will benefit us or the wider community, you are invited to contact the Admin team (Nevyn, Martin, Myself, Scott). Finally I need to also (coz we havn't done it for a while) thank Nic Bellamy and Dylan Reeves, who were foundation LUG'rs in Auckland and who own/host/run *linux.net.nz. They foot the bill and provide us with some means to operate which are indespensable - cheers guys. Mark. From songs at billkath.com Tue Nov 18 09:04:13 2008 From: songs at billkath.com (Bill and Kath Worsfold) Date: Tue Nov 18 09:04:08 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Hotmail usage In-Reply-To: <20081117114212.40B07930002@mlx2-in.webhost.co.nz> References: <20081117114212.40B07930002@mlx2-in.webhost.co.nz> Message-ID: <4921CE3D.6090107@billkath.com> Why on earth should we not discourage hotmail use? Hotmail sucks - it's the absolute pits, and I don't see why anyone continues to use it. Gmail is free, convenient, has a huge number of features - including 7 gigs of storage, and you don't get all your messages deleted and your account suspended if you don't log in for a month. Come on, guys - what about coming into the 21st century and dumping hotmail? Why not get Gmail instead, if you need a free provider? Otherwise, why not buy a domain name and get a very cheap - a very few bucks per year (under $10 for a dotcom name) - email address for life. Cheers, Kath Worsfold > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Ravi Chemudugunta > wrote: > >> people, lets not antagonize hotmail users! >> > > Perhaps antagonizing hotmail users will trigger some sort of effect > such... lets see... if hotmail is no longer doing the job that people > have relied on it to do for a number of years (whether through it's > incompatibility through different browsers or spam filtering), then > perhaps it's time to change their free web mail provider. > > Regards, > Nevyn. From renedox at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 09:27:21 2008 From: renedox at gmail.com (Cheng Eu Chew) Date: Tue Nov 18 09:27:31 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Hotmail usage In-Reply-To: <4921CE3D.6090107@billkath.com> References: <20081117114212.40B07930002@mlx2-in.webhost.co.nz> <4921CE3D.6090107@billkath.com> Message-ID: While I don't use hotmail often and agree to some extent that hotmail is a piece of poo. Restricting it in anyway or even denying it's use imposes on several freedoms which some might be uncomfortable with. You don't like it? Fine, YOU don't have to use it. This is no reason for others to not use it at all. That's a very selfish view. Have you considered their circumstances or have you only considered your own? Because a group of people don't see any reason to use hotmail doesn't mean it should never be used at all. Most of us know there are better alternatives out there to hotmail and all we can do is suggest that people try an alternative. 2008/11/18 Bill and Kath Worsfold : > Why on earth should we not discourage hotmail use? Hotmail sucks - it's the > absolute pits, and I don't see why anyone continues to use it. Gmail is > free, convenient, has a huge number of features - including 7 gigs of > storage, and you don't get all your messages deleted and your account > suspended if you don't log in for a month. > > Come on, guys - what about coming into the 21st century and dumping hotmail? > Why not get Gmail instead, if you need a free provider? Otherwise, why not > buy a domain name and get a very cheap - a very few bucks per year (under > $10 for a dotcom name) - email address for life. > > Cheers, > Kath Worsfold > > >> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Ravi Chemudugunta >> wrote: >> >>> >>> people, lets not antagonize hotmail users! >>> >> >> Perhaps antagonizing hotmail users will trigger some sort of effect >> such... lets see... if hotmail is no longer doing the job that people >> have relied on it to do for a number of years (whether through it's >> incompatibility through different browsers or spam filtering), then >> perhaps it's time to change their free web mail provider. >> >> Regards, >> Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Cheng Eu Chew _________________________________________________ Email : renedox@gmail.com Mobile : +64 21 810098 From g.kloss at massey.ac.nz Tue Nov 18 09:33:52 2008 From: g.kloss at massey.ac.nz (Guy K. Kloss) Date: Tue Nov 18 09:34:10 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Hotmail usage In-Reply-To: References: <20081117114212.40B07930002@mlx2-in.webhost.co.nz> <4921CE3D.6090107@billkath.com> Message-ID: <200811180933.53136.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:27:21 Cheng Eu Chew wrote: > You don't like it? Fine, YOU don't have to use it. I think this is more about nettiquette, and on providing information in mails to the list with the minimum required amount of white space to make it understandable by our community. Whatever tools you use: Try to use them according to the community you're addressing. If you piss off people, reconsider your tools or procedures. Guy -- Guy K. Kloss Institute of Information and Mathematical Sciences Te Kura Putaiao o Mohiohio me Pangarau Room 2.63, Quad Block A Building Massey University, Auckland, Albany Private Bag 102 904, North Shore Mail Centre voice: +64 9 414-0800 ext. 9585 fax: +64 9 441-8181 eMail: G.Kloss@massey.ac.nz http://iims.massey.ac.nz From john at ber.net.nz Tue Nov 18 09:51:50 2008 From: john at ber.net.nz (John @ BER Ltd) Date: Tue Nov 18 09:51:59 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help! Message-ID: <005b01c948f6$50b406e0$0202fea9@dad> This is my first post and hope my ignorance is not immediately apparent but I need help!. I have been experimenting with Linux for about 6 months now and would > like to get together with someone out west Auckland to share and > exchange knowledge regarding Linux and especially command line training/advise etc... > Lately I have hit the wall with regards to utilizing info on forums > and the numerous online assistance but cant go any further due to my > very limited knowledge of command lines etc.. > I've enjoyed my experience with Linux (SME) and have been able to > setup a web server and email server with long hours and copious amounts of coffee. > But configuring UPS devices and backup systems is just way above my head. > I've hit the wall and with my limited knowledge just cant progress any > further- I've been raised on MS GUI and she's an addictive habit to kick! > I understand that the LUG's have meeting etc... but find myself unable > to attend, I'm basically booked on most if not all evenings and get > back home by 10pm, then try and fuddle my way to figure out how Linux > works and how to better configure it without undoing all the work I've done! It now host 5 domains... > Can you recommend me someone that I can talk to? or how best to up > skill myself in command line training or better still face to face discussion which > I prefer rather than trawling through pages of info that may not be relevant or > seemingly gobbledy gook to noobies like myself > Thanks for getting this far, I hope I've been clear in what I'm after, What would you recommend be the best way to upskill myself at the stage I'm at? > If you could help or advise it would be greatly appreciated. > > Kind Regards John john@ber.net.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Ph (09) 8185757 Fax (09) 8184857 From songs at billkath.com Tue Nov 18 12:31:43 2008 From: songs at billkath.com (Bill and Kath Worsfold) Date: Tue Nov 18 12:31:40 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Hotmail In-Reply-To: <20081117231500.1929E930006@mlx2-in.webhost.co.nz> References: <20081117231500.1929E930006@mlx2-in.webhost.co.nz> Message-ID: <4921FEDF.2040700@billkath.com> Hmmm . . . I seem to have offended Mr. Cheng for some reason. Mr. Cheng, I would answer that I do indeed have to use Hotmail, in that I have to try to communicate with Hotmail users - for instance, endure long periods of non-contact with Trademe buyers and sellers who are silly enough to use it for transactions. Funnily enough, my emails never seem to get through to them, and much time is wasted and frustration endured. I don't consider this a selfish view at all, but a sensible view, and yes, I have considered their circumstances, in suggesting a free alternative. Why the personal attack? Did you get out on the wrong side of the bed? Peace. Cheers, Kath Worsfold > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:27:21 +1300 > From: "Cheng Eu Chew" > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Re: Hotmail usage > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > While I don't use hotmail often and agree to some extent that hotmail > is a piece of poo. Restricting it in anyway or even denying it's use > imposes on several freedoms which some might be uncomfortable with. > > You don't like it? Fine, YOU don't have to use it. This is no reason > for others to not use it at all. That's a very selfish view. Have you > considered their circumstances or have you only considered your own? > Because a group of people don't see any reason to use hotmail doesn't > mean it should never be used at all. > > Most of us know there are better alternatives out there to hotmail and > all we can do is suggest that people try an alternative. > > > 2008/11/18 Bill and Kath Worsfold : > >> Why on earth should we not discourage hotmail use? Hotmail sucks - it's the >> absolute pits, and I don't see why anyone continues to use it. Gmail is >> free, convenient, has a huge number of features - including 7 gigs of >> storage, and you don't get all your messages deleted and your account >> suspended if you don't log in for a month. >> >> Come on, guys - what about coming into the 21st century and dumping hotmail? >> Why not get Gmail instead, if you need a free provider? Otherwise, why not >> buy a domain name and get a very cheap - a very few bucks per year (under >> $10 for a dotcom name) - email address for life. >> >> Cheers, >> Kath Worsfold >> >> >> -- **************************************************** Bill & Kath Worsfold - Kiwi Entertainers! www.billkath.co.nz (09)425-9538 **************************************************** From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 12:51:42 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Nov 18 12:51:51 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Hotmail In-Reply-To: <4921FEDF.2040700@billkath.com> References: <20081117231500.1929E930006@mlx2-in.webhost.co.nz> <4921FEDF.2040700@billkath.com> Message-ID: The way I see this is the same argument that came up when Richard Stallman was here which was a case of freedom vs. functionality. Sure, you're free to use hotmail. However, is using hotmail in your best interests if the functionality is no longer there? I used to use hotmail in the good old days but have heard nothing but awful things about it of late. Things like pressing enter causes issues (such as a linefeed character not being inserted) or mail isn't getting through due to spam filters (I'm now wondering if spam does get through? Sort of what you'd expect from a spam filter in reverse). Solutions have been suggested here such as typing up responses in a text editor and copying and pasting that reply into hotmail. If you're courteous enough to do that, then cool. We don't have an issue. What we do have an issue with is information being unreadable due to the lack of whitespace. Suggestions of getting rid of hotmail have been just that. Suggestions. The other suggestion is applying a workaround. If you're not going to do either, perhaps you should consider the inconvenience mal-formatted emails have on your recipiants. It's a bit like swearing. Mal-formatted emails just give people a reason to stop listening/reading. Regards, Nevyn. On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Bill and Kath Worsfold wrote: > Hmmm . . . I seem to have offended Mr. Cheng for some reason. Mr. Cheng, I > would answer that I do indeed have to use Hotmail, in that I have to try to > communicate with Hotmail users - for instance, endure long periods of > non-contact with Trademe buyers and sellers who are silly enough to use it > for transactions. Funnily enough, my emails never seem to get through to > them, and much time is wasted and frustration endured. > > I don't consider this a selfish view at all, but a sensible view, and yes, I > have considered their circumstances, in suggesting a free alternative. Why > the personal attack? Did you get out on the wrong side of the bed? > > Peace. > > Cheers, > Kath Worsfold >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:27:21 +1300 >> From: "Cheng Eu Chew" >> Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Re: Hotmail usage >> To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> While I don't use hotmail often and agree to some extent that hotmail >> is a piece of poo. Restricting it in anyway or even denying it's use >> imposes on several freedoms which some might be uncomfortable with. >> >> You don't like it? Fine, YOU don't have to use it. This is no reason >> for others to not use it at all. That's a very selfish view. Have you >> considered their circumstances or have you only considered your own? >> Because a group of people don't see any reason to use hotmail doesn't >> mean it should never be used at all. >> >> Most of us know there are better alternatives out there to hotmail and >> all we can do is suggest that people try an alternative. >> >> >> 2008/11/18 Bill and Kath Worsfold : >> >>> >>> Why on earth should we not discourage hotmail use? Hotmail sucks - it's >>> the >>> absolute pits, and I don't see why anyone continues to use it. Gmail is >>> free, convenient, has a huge number of features - including 7 gigs of >>> storage, and you don't get all your messages deleted and your account >>> suspended if you don't log in for a month. >>> >>> Come on, guys - what about coming into the 21st century and dumping >>> hotmail? >>> Why not get Gmail instead, if you need a free provider? Otherwise, why >>> not >>> buy a domain name and get a very cheap - a very few bucks per year (under >>> $10 for a dotcom name) - email address for life. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Kath Worsfold From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Tue Nov 18 14:59:44 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Tue Nov 18 14:51:02 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Hotmail In-Reply-To: References: <20081117231500.1929E930006@mlx2-in.webhost.co.nz> <4921FEDF.2040700@billkath.com> Message-ID: <49222190.7030006@symsys-it.co.nz> Both Rose and I have hotmail addresses, which we use daily, albeit I can only receive emails now as in FF3 on Ubuntu 8.04 I cannot even get the body/content box to accept my cursor, Rose is using Windows XP with various different browsers and has no particular problem other than the fact it now looks unbelievably ugly and hard to navigate. Some of you (And I'm wondering if this is why Nevyn mentioned it) may have read on our blog that Hotmail were blocking ALL emails from our domain and only giving the reason of "Policy Reasons". WE have now fixed this by going all around the mulberry bush 50,000 times, changing the way WE send email just to suit hotmail to make sure our users and customers can receive mail from us. Hotmail has now become the least usable, worst looking and most unreliable free email provider out there, rejecting emails just because the server sending the email isn't configured the way THEY insist it is, yet letting tonnes of spam through the filter because it was sent from a mail server that was configured to their specifications. I think the way forward is certainly to suggest that people stop using hotmail and certainly stop relying on it, the reality is though, it's MS, they will continue to promote it, Windows Live adverts are now hitting NZ TV screens and so I have no doubt that Hotmail will in fact not shrink in it's use but increase and people like us who have done no harm and are not trying to cause any harm will get the brunt of it from our friends, family, users and customers when they don't receive important emails. How long before anything sent from a Linux server is rejected by Hotmail, for, "policy reasons"? Alex Nevyn wrote: > The way I see this is the same argument that came up when Richard > Stallman was here which was a case of freedom vs. functionality. Sure, > you're free to use hotmail. However, is using hotmail in your best > interests if the functionality is no longer there? I used to use > hotmail in the good old days but have heard nothing but awful things > about it of late. Things like pressing enter causes issues (such as a > linefeed character not being inserted) or mail isn't getting through > due to spam filters (I'm now wondering if spam does get through? Sort > of what you'd expect from a spam filter in reverse). > > Solutions have been suggested here such as typing up responses in a > text editor and copying and pasting that reply into hotmail. If you're > courteous enough to do that, then cool. We don't have an issue. What > we do have an issue with is information being unreadable due to the > lack of whitespace. > > Suggestions of getting rid of hotmail have been just that. > Suggestions. The other suggestion is applying a workaround. If you're > not going to do either, perhaps you should consider the inconvenience > mal-formatted emails have on your recipiants. It's a bit like > swearing. Mal-formatted emails just give people a reason to stop > listening/reading. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Bill and Kath Worsfold > wrote: > >> Hmmm . . . I seem to have offended Mr. Cheng for some reason. Mr. Cheng, I >> would answer that I do indeed have to use Hotmail, in that I have to try to >> communicate with Hotmail users - for instance, endure long periods of >> non-contact with Trademe buyers and sellers who are silly enough to use it >> for transactions. Funnily enough, my emails never seem to get through to >> them, and much time is wasted and frustration endured. >> >> I don't consider this a selfish view at all, but a sensible view, and yes, I >> have considered their circumstances, in suggesting a free alternative. Why >> the personal attack? Did you get out on the wrong side of the bed? >> >> Peace. >> >> Cheers, >> Kath Worsfold >> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:27:21 +1300 >>> From: "Cheng Eu Chew" >>> Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Re: Hotmail usage >>> To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>> >>> While I don't use hotmail often and agree to some extent that hotmail >>> is a piece of poo. Restricting it in anyway or even denying it's use >>> imposes on several freedoms which some might be uncomfortable with. >>> >>> You don't like it? Fine, YOU don't have to use it. This is no reason >>> for others to not use it at all. That's a very selfish view. Have you >>> considered their circumstances or have you only considered your own? >>> Because a group of people don't see any reason to use hotmail doesn't >>> mean it should never be used at all. >>> >>> Most of us know there are better alternatives out there to hotmail and >>> all we can do is suggest that people try an alternative. >>> >>> >>> 2008/11/18 Bill and Kath Worsfold : >>> >>> >>>> Why on earth should we not discourage hotmail use? Hotmail sucks - it's >>>> the >>>> absolute pits, and I don't see why anyone continues to use it. Gmail is >>>> free, convenient, has a huge number of features - including 7 gigs of >>>> storage, and you don't get all your messages deleted and your account >>>> suspended if you don't log in for a month. >>>> >>>> Come on, guys - what about coming into the 21st century and dumping >>>> hotmail? >>>> Why not get Gmail instead, if you need a free provider? Otherwise, why >>>> not >>>> buy a domain name and get a very cheap - a very few bucks per year (under >>>> $10 for a dotcom name) - email address for life. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Kath Worsfold >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > From xurizaemon at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 16:52:18 2008 From: xurizaemon at gmail.com (Chris Burgess) Date: Tue Nov 18 16:52:29 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Hotmail In-Reply-To: <49222190.7030006@symsys-it.co.nz> References: <20081117231500.1929E930006@mlx2-in.webhost.co.nz> <4921FEDF.2040700@billkath.com> <49222190.7030006@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <49223BF2.7070003@gmail.com> Those of you who feel beholden to a specific free webmail provider may be interested to know of FreePOPs, a small program which will happily provide a method for you to continue receiving email at your "legacy" mailbox via a modern mail client. http://www.freepops.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreePOPs It supports most popular webmail services, as well as a bunch of other services too. In the past, it's helped me provide a few people who felt "stuck" with their existing mail account with a method of transferring and still receiving mail at the old address. There are probably other good tools to do the same thing, no doubt. From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 17:05:00 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Nov 18 17:05:06 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Me weighing in on the events issue Message-ID: Hi guys, I'm sure most of you would have noticed that I've kept pretty quiet on the events issue. Don't take what I say here to be opinion of the AuckLUG as a whole, but it is how I see it. Okay, so here's the issue. While I was using the WharfIT meets to try and reign in some of the talk of seperate groups (such as a North Shore Lug) and various meetings, it is not an AuckLUG organised event. So this brings to light a couple of issues. So I'll start with the seperate groups thing. A couple of years ago AuckLUG didn't really exist. It was NZLUG with meetings in Auckland. I fought for the AuckLUG to be established as I felt it was unfair having meetings under the NZLUG umbrella which no one else in the country, unless they were in Auckland at the time, could attend. So it was purely from a logistics point of view. From what I understand there was no reason that other meetings couldn't happen in other parts of NZ except that most of the other major regions had their own LUG. You've seen the result. The AuckLUG, in comparison to NZLUG, is a rather quiet mailing list. Sure the list exists, but if you want help with something that doesn't require a physical presense, you reach a lot more people through NZLUG. AuckLUG however does have a very good purpose. That is to organise local events and get very localised help (i.e. if you need a cd in a hurry). Okay, so Auckland is a big place. Look at the districts. We have Manukau, Auckland City, North Shore, Waitakere and Rodney. If a North Shore LUG were to start up, there'd be no reason why the other regions wouldn't have their own LUG. But is a LUG really worthwhile if you've got say 10 members? So what I'm trying to prevent is the watering down of our expertise pool. There has been talk about alternating between different districts but this hasn't been practical. The reasons being this: we get venues through relationships. Whether that's the University of Auckland or Novell or someone else. The frequency of the meetings has thus far only been once a month. The reason being that a meeting should be an event that we make an effort to attend rather than something that happens every week which starts to become a chore. So trying to maintain a relationship with the venue providers proves to be difficult if you're only approaching the venue providers once every 2, 3, 4 months etc. And we should probably say something about the intent of the LUG. While LUG stands for Linux Users Group, few of us actually talk about the kernel so more accurately we'd be a GLUG. But of course, not everything we discuss here is GNU or Linux but other Open Source projects such as Firefox. So we'd be an OSSUG - but that doesn't fit either. Few of us here talk about Open Source on Windows as it would result in again, watering down our expertise pool, with expertise being split between OSS on Windows and OSS on Linux and confusion all around as the differences would need to be taken into account. So we'd be a OSSoLUG. Then add to that the fact that there are other open source OS's out there such as Sun Solaris and *BSD, and we'd then have to start calling ourselves OSSoNUG (Open Source Software on *nix User Group). Try and explain a Auck OSSoNUG to someone. I dare you. Chances are people are going to be convinced that you're swearing. So lets have it straight here. The group is called AuckLUG. It doesn't mean we only talk about a kernel. Okay, so now on to the WharfIT meetings. The issue isn't the fact that they're happening. It's simply the use of the AuckLUG name - in the annoucement and on the facebook page. There is absolutely nothing to stop the meetings from happening and from there being a notice about the meetings on the AuckLUG mailing list. However, the meetings aren't being organised by AuckLUG and so needs to carry a different banner. In fact, I believe Milan, who is organising the events, has only just signed on to this mailing list after prompting from Jaco and so has a very loose association to AuckLUG if that. I still encourage people on the list to check out the meeting and see if it's something you want to attend regularly. I am going to try and make it there myself at some point (though Tuesday is becoming an increasingly difficult day for me). Just because it's not an AuckLUG organised event, I think our interests do coincide. This has happened before with the University of Auckland holding their own Installfests and Introduction to Linux courses where AuckLUG members were invited to participate (though under the University of Auckland banner rather than the AuckLUG banner). I hope this rather long message helps clear up some issues. As I said at the start of this message, this email consists mainly of my opinion on the issues we've been facing of late and thus should not be taken as gospel. Regards, Nevyn. From Geofrey.Rainey at tvnz.co.nz Tue Nov 18 10:59:01 2008 From: Geofrey.Rainey at tvnz.co.nz (Geofrey Rainey) Date: Tue Nov 18 17:22:04 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Help! In-Reply-To: <005b01c948f6$50b406e0$0202fea9@dad> References: <005b01c948f6$50b406e0$0202fea9@dad> Message-ID: John, I might be able to help you out a bit. Regards, Geofrey. -----Original Message----- From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] On Behalf Of John @ BER Ltd Sent: Tuesday, 18 November 2008 9:52 a.m. To: aucklug@linux.net.nz Subject: [AuckLUG] Help! This is my first post and hope my ignorance is not immediately apparent but I need help!. I have been experimenting with Linux for about 6 months now and would > like to get together with someone out west Auckland to share and > exchange knowledge regarding Linux and especially command line training/advise etc... > Lately I have hit the wall with regards to utilizing info on forums > and the numerous online assistance but cant go any further due to my > very limited knowledge of command lines etc.. > I've enjoyed my experience with Linux (SME) and have been able to > setup a web server and email server with long hours and copious > amounts of coffee. > But configuring UPS devices and backup systems is just way above my head. > I've hit the wall and with my limited knowledge just cant progress any > further- I've been raised on MS GUI and she's an addictive habit to kick! > I understand that the LUG's have meeting etc... but find myself unable > to attend, I'm basically booked on most if not all evenings and get > back home by 10pm, then try and fuddle my way to figure out how Linux > works and how to better configure it without undoing all the work I've done! It now host 5 domains... > Can you recommend me someone that I can talk to? or how best to up > skill myself in command line training or better still face to face discussion which > I prefer rather than trawling through pages of info that may not be relevant or > seemingly gobbledy gook to noobies like myself Thanks for getting this > far, I hope I've been clear in what I'm after, What would you recommend be the best way to upskill myself at the stage I'm at? > If you could help or advise it would be greatly appreciated. > > Kind Regards John john@ber.net.nz ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- ------- Ph (09) 8185757 Fax (09) 8184857 _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug ========================================================== For more information on the Television New Zealand Group, visit us online at tvnz.co.nz ========================================================== CAUTION: This e-mail and any attachment(s) contain information that is intended to be read only by the named recipient(s). This information is not to be used or stored by any other person and/or organisation. From freakalad at hotmail.com Wed Nov 19 10:27:24 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Nov 19 15:10:34 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 42, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually, you connot offend me with refernce to my use of hotmail, as I's be the first one to admit that this is a steaming heap of dog.... well, you get the idea. As I've said, I use it as spam recepticle & listed email address for public services that may be compromised. Unfortunately, my initial mailinglist sign-ups are also via this address; I'll try to remedy that soon - Jaco _________________________________________________________________ Get inspired - dream, research, plan and book your next holiday online with MSN NZ Travel http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Ftravel%2Emsn%2Eco%2Enz&_t=771497011&_r=MSN_NZ_travel_hmtagline&_m=EXT From songs at billkath.com Fri Nov 21 10:11:54 2008 From: songs at billkath.com (Bill and Kath Worsfold) Date: Fri Nov 21 10:11:51 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 42, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: <20081119230848.727D31A74002@mlx1-in.webhost.co.nz> References: <20081119230848.727D31A74002@mlx1-in.webhost.co.nz> Message-ID: <4925D29A.9070601@billkath.com> Jaco, you've added heaps of fun and activity to this mailing list in recent times - keep it up! Glad to see you're ditching hotmail, and glad to see you don't take offense easily. You know, most people act on the thought that if you don't do anything, you won't get criticised - but the trouble with that is you never accomplish anything either. Good on you for making an effort, and bringing new blood and ideas to this group. I hope to meet you sometime, at one of the meetings. Cheers, Kath Worsfold > Actually, you connot offend me with refernce to my use of hotmail, as I's be the first one to admit that this is a steaming heap of dog.... well, you get the idea. As I've said, I use it as spam recepticle & listed email address for public services that may be compromised. Unfortunately, my initial mailinglist sign-ups are also via this address; I'll try to remedy that soon - Jaco > -- **************************************************** Bill & Kath Worsfold - Kiwi Entertainers! www.billkath.co.nz (09)425-9538 **************************************************** From freakalad at yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 21 14:29:12 2008 From: freakalad at yahoo.co.uk (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Fri Nov 21 14:29:20 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] NZ LUG list off HateMail now. Better whitespace now? Message-ID: <469423.6117.qm@web25405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thank you for the compliment & positive reinforcement, Kath. I appreciate the sentiment. (I tend to take criticism better than compliments, as I sometimes find people to be more sincere that way) Please feel free to join us at the (hopefully regular) meetings; info posted @ WharfIT & FB pages. I just have to make a point here to avoid a rebuke I could otherwise sensibly avoid: (I'm not a TOTAL glutton for punishment) The wharf meetings are NOT officially sanctioned by the LUG, as such, as the scope of efforts are a bit wider than pure LUG (encompassing ALL enthusiast of Free & Open software, regardless of OS of choice). That being said, all participants with any interest & all background & levels of expertise are welcome to come join us for discussion (& beer) - Jaco From chemuduguntar at gmail.com Fri Nov 21 14:47:47 2008 From: chemuduguntar at gmail.com (Ravi Chemudugunta) Date: Fri Nov 21 14:47:53 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] NZ LUG list off HateMail now. Better whitespace now? In-Reply-To: <469423.6117.qm@web25405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <469423.6117.qm@web25405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7a4208ef0811201747tf505680ya81850a1b1c4d82c@mail.gmail.com> What about Joe the Plumber? The government wants to keep all his whitespace, in the base, because all his base are belong to them. I have heard good feedback from someone that went, I will try and check out it the next time. -ravi From alex at symsys-it.co.nz Fri Nov 21 23:05:39 2008 From: alex at symsys-it.co.nz (Alex Williams) Date: Fri Nov 21 23:05:28 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Time for me to ask for help Message-ID: <492687F3.6070102@symsys-it.co.nz> Ok guys, those of you who are still awake this Friday evening I need your help. I know it's normally me dishing out advice and stuff (Not always the right advice I admit) but I'm stuck. I've just changed up from Kubuntu 8.04 to Debian Lenny as my desktop OS (I couldn't resist any longer) and I'm trying to install OOo3 because Lenny only comes with 2.4. Anyway the install goes fine, no errors, no warnings etc. But then when I try to run it I get the splash screen, asked to input my details (EVERY TIME) then it crashes. If I run it from the command line I see a segmentation fault with the following error: [Java framework]sunjavaplugin.so could not load Java runtime library: file:///usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-gcj-4.3-1.5.0.0/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so./etc/openoffice.org3/program/soffice: line 134: 8824 Segmentation fault "$sd_prog/$sd_binary" "$@" Anyone got any ideas on a fix for this? It seems to be the java plugin can't load the appropriate libraries, I've tried changing the permissions, even added my user to the "root" group just to double check and still get the exact same problem. I'm just not gunna fix this tonight without help. Might manage to fix it tomorrow with a clear brain and no carlsberg in my system but tonight would be better :D Alex From ghodmode at ghodmode.com Fri Nov 21 23:40:08 2008 From: ghodmode at ghodmode.com (Ghodmode) Date: Fri Nov 21 23:40:15 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Time for me to ask for help In-Reply-To: <492687F3.6070102@symsys-it.co.nz> References: <492687F3.6070102@symsys-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <65052ad90811210240x5129df81ra0e295a0eb85b705@mail.gmail.com> It looks like you're using GNU Java (gcj). Try installing Sun's Java. On my Ubuntu (8.10), it looks like the package you need might be named sun-java6-jre while the GNU one is something like java-gcj-compat. I don't know what they might be on real Debian. You could also try downloading the OOo that comes with its own copy of the JRE. -- Vince On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Alex Williams wrote: > Ok guys, those of you who are still awake this Friday evening I need your > help. I know it's normally me dishing out advice and stuff (Not always the > right advice I admit) but I'm stuck. > > I've just changed up from Kubuntu 8.04 to Debian Lenny as my desktop OS (I > couldn't resist any longer) and I'm trying to install OOo3 because Lenny > only comes with 2.4. Anyway the install goes fine, no errors, no warnings > etc. But then when I try to run it I get the splash screen, asked to input > my details (EVERY TIME) then it crashes. If I run it from the command line I > see a segmentation fault with the following error: > > [Java framework]sunjavaplugin.so could not load Java runtime library: > file:///usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-gcj-4.3-1.5.0.0/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so./etc/openoffice.org3/program/soffice: > line 134: 8824 Segmentation fault "$sd_prog/$sd_binary" "$@" > > Anyone got any ideas on a fix for this? It seems to be the java plugin > can't load the appropriate libraries, I've tried changing the permissions, > even added my user to the "root" group just to double check and still get > the exact same problem. I'm just not gunna fix this tonight without help. > Might manage to fix it tomorrow with a clear brain and no carlsberg in my > system but tonight would be better :D > > Alex > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From g.kloss at massey.ac.nz Sat Nov 22 14:56:04 2008 From: g.kloss at massey.ac.nz (Guy K. Kloss) Date: Sat Nov 22 14:56:36 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Time for me to ask for help In-Reply-To: <65052ad90811210240x5129df81ra0e295a0eb85b705@mail.gmail.com> References: <492687F3.6070102@symsys-it.co.nz> <65052ad90811210240x5129df81ra0e295a0eb85b705@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200811221456.04759.g.kloss@massey.ac.nz> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:40:08 pm Ghodmode wrote: > It looks like you're using GNU Java (gcj). ?Try installing Sun's Java. ?On > my Ubuntu (8.10), it looks like the package you need might be named > sun-java6-jre while the GNU one is something like java-gcj-compat. ?I don't > know what they might be on real Debian. If you've got the Sun JDK or OpenJDK installed, try to make it the default by running update-alternatives (as root, or using sudo) to configure that one instead of GCJ by default. Guy -- Guy K. 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