From joel at tpnz.co.nz Mon Aug 4 01:26:28 2008 From: joel at tpnz.co.nz (Joel van Velden) Date: Mon Aug 4 01:26:35 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] No AuckLUG meeting on 4th August; Reminder RMS in town Message-ID: <57568.118.90.11.19.1217769988.squirrel@ford.tpnz.co.nz> Hi all Due to slackness on my part there will no AuckLUG meeting this month. With that said, Richard Stallman is giving lectures in Auckland this week for those who are interested. Friday 8th August: "Copyright vs Community in the Age of Computer Networks" University of Auckland 11am http://www.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/about/events/2008/08/lectures/digital4.cfm Saturday 9th August: "For the People By the People" Bayview Community Center 9am http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/aucklug/2008-July/002453.html Full itinerary for RMS is at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~corwin/rms08.html Regards, Joel van Velden From liz at debian.co.nz Mon Aug 4 10:30:31 2008 From: liz at debian.co.nz (Liz Q) Date: Mon Aug 4 10:30:09 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] No AuckLUG meeting on 4th August; Reminder RMS in town In-Reply-To: <57568.118.90.11.19.1217769988.squirrel@ford.tpnz.co.nz> References: <57568.118.90.11.19.1217769988.squirrel@ford.tpnz.co.nz> Message-ID: <48963187.90909@debian.co.nz> Joel van Velden wrote: > Hi all > > Due to slackness on my part there will no AuckLUG meeting this month. > > With that said, Richard Stallman is giving lectures in Auckland this week > for those who are interested. > > Friday 8th August: > "Copyright vs Community in the Age of Computer Networks" > University of Auckland 11am > http://www.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/about/events/2008/08/lectures/digital4.cfm > > Saturday 9th August: > "For the People By the People" > Bayview Community Center 9am > http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/aucklug/2008-July/002453.html > > Full itinerary for RMS is at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~corwin/rms08.html > I hate to say it but RMS wasnt happy with the size of the hall, looks like that one is gonna happen elsewhere - possibly the Auckland Uni? Liz > Regards, > Joel van Velden > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From toniosm at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 17:39:53 2008 From: toniosm at gmail.com (Antonio San Miguel) Date: Wed Aug 6 17:40:08 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] No AuckLUG meeting on 4th August; Reminder RMS in town In-Reply-To: <57568.118.90.11.19.1217769988.squirrel@ford.tpnz.co.nz> References: <57568.118.90.11.19.1217769988.squirrel@ford.tpnz.co.nz> Message-ID: <99ab0c040808052239p6007d000r91d29489686ebf4f@mail.gmail.com> I'm assuming these events are open to everybody, right? Just being sure. Hehe. Thanks. -- Antonio Mari T. San Miguel University of the Philippines Linux Users' Group http://uplug.org Halalan, an Open Source Voting System http://halalan.uplug.org http://code.google.com/p/halalan From kiirani at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 18:50:44 2008 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Wed Aug 6 18:50:48 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] No AuckLUG meeting on 4th August; Reminder RMS in town In-Reply-To: <99ab0c040808052239p6007d000r91d29489686ebf4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <57568.118.90.11.19.1217769988.squirrel@ford.tpnz.co.nz> <99ab0c040808052239p6007d000r91d29489686ebf4f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2494ad260808052350s38123933kacaa8c17f748ce32@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/6 Antonio San Miguel : > I'm assuming these events are open to everybody, right? Just being sure. > Hehe. Thanks. ""Please note: All events listed are free/gratis and open to the public unless otherwise noted in their entry. There is no need to book or make any kind of reservation. All you need do is turn up. You are welcome. There is no need to book or make any kind of reservation."" http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~corwin/rms08.html From toniosm at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 19:42:35 2008 From: toniosm at gmail.com (Antonio San Miguel) Date: Wed Aug 6 19:42:39 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] No AuckLUG meeting on 4th August; Reminder RMS in town In-Reply-To: <2494ad260808052350s38123933kacaa8c17f748ce32@mail.gmail.com> References: <57568.118.90.11.19.1217769988.squirrel@ford.tpnz.co.nz> <99ab0c040808052239p6007d000r91d29489686ebf4f@mail.gmail.com> <2494ad260808052350s38123933kacaa8c17f748ce32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99ab0c040808060042t63023d97g35b9b2624bcc9b6f@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Kennedy Skelton wrote: > 2008/8/6 Antonio San Miguel : > > I'm assuming these events are open to everybody, right? Just being sure. > > Hehe. Thanks. > > > ""Please note: All events listed are free/gratis and open to the > public unless otherwise noted in their entry. There is no need to book > or make any kind of reservation. All you need do is turn up. You are > welcome. There is no need to book or make any kind of reservation."" > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~corwin/rms08.html > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > Oh there it is. Thanks again. -- Antonio Mari T. San Miguel University of the Philippines Linux Users' Group http://uplug.org Halalan, an Open Source Voting System http://halalan.uplug.org http://code.google.com/p/halalan From songs at billkath.com Thu Aug 7 21:08:24 2008 From: songs at billkath.com (Bill and Kath Worsfold) Date: Thu Aug 7 21:08:30 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ride to Auckland city from Shore? For Stallman lecture on Sat? In-Reply-To: <20080807000026.B41571A8401E@mlx1-in.webhost.co.nz> References: <20080807000026.B41571A8401E@mlx1-in.webhost.co.nz> Message-ID: <489ABB88.9090703@billkath.com> Oh how inconvenient that they've moved the RMS lecture from a very accessible hall with parking on the North Shore, to an inaccessible and inconvenient place such as the Auckland Uni! Sigh. Does anyone have room in their vehicle to give me a lift from somewhere on the Shore over to the lecture and back? I will meet them at a place convenient for them, if they can fit me in. Thanks in advance, if this is possible. Cheers, Kath Worsfold (09)425-9538 -- **************************************************** Bill & Kath Worsfold - Kiwi Entertainers! www.billkath.co.nz (09)425-9538 **************************************************** From liz at debian.co.nz Thu Aug 7 21:13:53 2008 From: liz at debian.co.nz (Liz Quilty) Date: Thu Aug 7 21:14:00 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ride to Auckland city from Shore? For Stallman lecture on Sat? In-Reply-To: <489ABB88.9090703@billkath.com> References: <20080807000026.B41571A8401E@mlx1-in.webhost.co.nz> <489ABB88.9090703@billkath.com> Message-ID: Yeah I can take you from the shore if you want :) Anyone else want to carpool from the shore? The van takes up to 7 people. Liz On 7/08/2008, at 9:08 PM, Bill and Kath Worsfold wrote: > Oh how inconvenient that they've moved the RMS lecture from a very > accessible hall with parking on the North Shore, to an inaccessible > and inconvenient place such as the Auckland Uni! Sigh. > > Does anyone have room in their vehicle to give me a lift from > somewhere on the Shore over to the lecture and back? I will meet > them at a place convenient for them, if they can fit me in. Thanks > in advance, if this is possible. > > Cheers, > Kath Worsfold > (09)425-9538 > > -- > **************************************************** > Bill & Kath Worsfold - Kiwi Entertainers! > www.billkath.co.nz > (09)425-9538 > **************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From mdiesch at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 08:36:30 2008 From: mdiesch at gmail.com (Matthew Diesch) Date: Sun Aug 10 11:54:50 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Ride to Auckland city from Shore? For Stallman lecture on Sat? In-Reply-To: <489ABB88.9090703@billkath.com> References: <20080807000026.B41571A8401E@mlx1-in.webhost.co.nz> <489ABB88.9090703@billkath.com> Message-ID: I missed that update, where / when is it now? 2008/8/7 Bill and Kath Worsfold : > Oh how inconvenient that they've moved the RMS lecture from a very > accessible hall with parking on the North Shore, to an inaccessible and > inconvenient place such as the Auckland Uni! Sigh. > > Does anyone have room in their vehicle to give me a lift from somewhere on > the Shore over to the lecture and back? I will meet them at a place > convenient for them, if they can fit me in. Thanks in advance, if this is > possible. > > Cheers, > Kath Worsfold > (09)425-9538 > > -- > **************************************************** > Bill & Kath Worsfold - Kiwi Entertainers! > www.billkath.co.nz > (09)425-9538 > **************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz Fri Aug 8 22:28:10 2008 From: nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz (Glen Ogilvie) Date: Sun Aug 10 12:01:46 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Richard Stallman's presentation today was good Message-ID: <200808082228.14129.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> Hi, I went to RMS's presentation today, and enjoyed it. I would highly recommend that anyone that didn't manage to make it today go to his presentation tomorrow. Saturday: 9/08/08 For the People By the People 10:00am-12:00am: University of Auckland (City Campus) Room B28: bldg 109 on the map [ http://tiny.cc/RcDl9 ] Topic: Free Software in Ethics and Practice. Regards Glen Ogilvie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/aucklug/attachments/20080808/0e145375/attachment.pgp From stuart at learning.ac.nz Sat Aug 9 20:10:14 2008 From: stuart at learning.ac.nz (Stuart Mealor) Date: Sun Aug 10 12:10:24 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Problem after formatting drives In-Reply-To: <200709130001.l8D012Gb078923@drs.registerdirect.net.nz> References: <200709130001.l8D012Gb078923@drs.registerdirect.net.nz> Message-ID: Hi I've got an Ubuntu box (personal use) with 4 SATA disks. I recently formatted the 3 (spare) drives. Now, when booting I'm getting this error: fsck died with exit status 8 ...fail! * File system check failed. A log is being saved in var/log/fsck/checkfs is that location is writable. Please repair the file system manually. * A maintenance shell will now be started. CONTROL-D will terminate this shell and resume system boot. Give root password for maintenance (or type Control-D to continue): Although I can hit Control-D and it boots as normal I don't think the other drives are mounting automatically as they should? Any ideas how I can resolved this? I'm not sure what the steps are to "...repair the files system manually" :-( Any help gratefully received :-) Thanks, Stu. Stuart Mealor www.hrdnz.com Moodle Partner Moodle Certification Manager http://moodle.org SkypeIn +64 9 8890774 From liz at debian.co.nz Fri Aug 8 10:22:04 2008 From: liz at debian.co.nz (Liz Q) Date: Sun Aug 10 12:12:00 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Reminder RMS Auckland 9th August - Venue Change & Info Message-ID: <489B758C.4050603@debian.co.nz> Who: Richard Stallman What: Free Talk Where: 9:30am in room B28 in the Library basement. ( map at http://debian.co.nz/uploads/aucklanduni.jpg ) When: 10am BRING: A Donation. The venue is free however RMS donates his time for free at his own cost. Im sure he will appretiate having some NZ currency so he can enjoy his time in NZ. As for food, there is apparently no place to heat/eat etc at this venue so probably not the best idea (also the hassle of cleaning). IMPORTANT: If you can make up any kind of signage and turn up from 9:30 onwards it would be most appretiated!! This venue can seat a lot more people (419), so bring your friends or anyone else who might be interested. Spread the word! I am bringing the van from the shore so if anyone wants to carpool i have 5 seats left. I will be leaving earlier. Liz From akean at paradise.net.nz Fri Aug 8 19:15:08 2008 From: akean at paradise.net.nz (anita kean) Date: Sun Aug 10 12:47:56 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Stallman talk, 10am Saturday Aug 09 In-Reply-To: <6kmqsp$fgiaab@mxin1-orange.clear.net.nz> References: <6kmqsp$fgiaab@mxin1-orange.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <20080808071508.GA1537@paradise.net.nz> > > With that said, Richard Stallman is giving lectures in Auckland this week > for those who are interested. > > Friday 8th August: > "Copyright vs Community in the Age of Computer Networks" > University of Auckland 11am > http://www.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/about/events/2008/08/lectures/digital4.cfm > > Saturday 9th August: > "For the People By the People" > Bayview Community Center 9am > http://www.linux.net.nz/pipermail/aucklug/2008-July/002453.html > > It seems to contradict the announcement above that Stallman is giving a talk in Bayview at 9am tomorrow, but at the 11a-1p lecture by Stallman at UofA today, it was announced that he's giving a talk at 10am tomorrow August 9th in Library B28, University of Auckland, on the topic of "Free Software and Ethics". We were assured today that tomorrow's lecture hall accomodates 400+ people - there wasn't nearly enough room in the Conference Centre today. He's also on National Radio at 8:12-8:30 am (Kim Hill) tomorrow morning. Anita Library B28 is in the basement of the General Library on Alfred St. From liz at debian.co.nz Fri Aug 8 19:27:24 2008 From: liz at debian.co.nz (Liz Quilty) Date: Sun Aug 10 12:49:55 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Reminder - RMS tomorrow Message-ID: Who: Richard Stallman What: Topic: Free Software in Ethics and Practice. Where: 9:30am in room B28 in the Library basement. ( map at http://debian.co.nz/uploads/aucklanduni.jpg ) When: 10am BRING: A Donation. The venue is free however RMS donates his time for free at his own cost. Im sure he will appretiate having some NZ currency so he can enjoy his time in NZ. Some munchies and cold drinks are also appretiated if you can bring them also. IMPORTANT: If you can make up any kind of signage and turn up from 9:30 onwards it would be most appretiated!! This venue can seat a lot more people (over 400), so bring your friends or anyone else who might be interested. Spread the word! I am bringing the van from the shore so if anyone wants to carpool i have 5 seats left. I will be leaving earlier. Liz From michael.auckland at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 12:53:53 2008 From: michael.auckland at gmail.com (Michael) Date: Sun Aug 10 12:53:57 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Problem after formatting drives In-Reply-To: References: <200709130001.l8D012Gb078923@drs.registerdirect.net.nz> Message-ID: <35207fdf0808091753u2923437ekf3b2fb44655d85c8@mail.gmail.com> Hi , check /etc/fstab and commnet out not used dirves On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Stuart Mealor wrote: > Hi > > I've got an Ubuntu box (personal use) with 4 SATA disks. > I recently formatted the 3 (spare) drives. > Now, when booting I'm getting this error: > > fsck died with exit status 8 > ...fail! > * File system check failed. > A log is being saved in var/log/fsck/checkfs is that location is > writable. > Please repair the file system manually. > * A maintenance shell will now be started. > CONTROL-D will terminate this shell and resume system boot. > Give root password for maintenance > (or type Control-D to continue): > > Although I can hit Control-D and it boots as normal I don't think the > other drives are mounting automatically as they should? > > Any ideas how I can resolved this? > I'm not sure what the steps are to "...repair the files system > manually" :-( > > Any help gratefully received :-) > Thanks, Stu. > > Stuart Mealor > www.hrdnz.com > Moodle Partner > Moodle Certification Manager > http://moodle.org > SkypeIn +64 9 8890774 > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- -- Michael From esalvati at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 06:47:24 2008 From: esalvati at gmail.com (Dino) Date: Mon Aug 11 06:47:30 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Problem after formatting drives In-Reply-To: <35207fdf0808091753u2923437ekf3b2fb44655d85c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <200709130001.l8D012Gb078923@drs.registerdirect.net.nz> <35207fdf0808091753u2923437ekf3b2fb44655d85c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi You need to put your root password. The system will give you a shell where you should type: fsck /dev/sdx Where "/dev/sdx" is the device that the system was checking when this message appeared. After this, answer the questions (could be all "yes"). I hope this helps. > On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Stuart Mealor wrote: >> Hi >> >> I've got an Ubuntu box (personal use) with 4 SATA disks. >> I recently formatted the 3 (spare) drives. >> Now, when booting I'm getting this error: >> >> fsck died with exit status 8 >> ...fail! >> * File system check failed. >> A log is being saved in var/log/fsck/checkfs is that location is >> writable. >> Please repair the file system manually. >> * A maintenance shell will now be started. >> CONTROL-D will terminate this shell and resume system boot. >> Give root password for maintenance >> (or type Control-D to continue): >> >> Although I can hit Control-D and it boots as normal I don't think the >> other drives are mounting automatically as they should? >> >> Any ideas how I can resolved this? >> I'm not sure what the steps are to "...repair the files system >> manually" :-( >> >> Any help gratefully received :-) >> Thanks, Stu. >> >> Stuart Mealor >> www.hrdnz.com >> Moodle Partner >> Moodle Certification Manager >> http://moodle.org >> SkypeIn +64 9 8890774 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > > > -- > -- > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Edson Dino Salvati From freakalad at hotmail.com Mon Aug 11 13:13:16 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Aug 11 13:13:23 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] post-RMS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi guys, Attended the RMS lecture, but to be honest, I had difficulty 'connecting' with the GNU-meister (or whatever he refers to himself), but had better luck with other attendees. I know others had a similar experience. So! The question raised still stands: where on the official site is info posted (upcoming events, meets, etc), and are there regular meeting? Is there an active drive to recruit new members & turn windoze lackeys into (GNU/)Linux guru's (or should I say Gnuru's?). >From a few windoze users there is seems obvious that there's enough interest, but not enough apparent support for people willing to make the plung (and I'm talking about common low-end users/students; not techies) - J _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces ? your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. http://get.live.com/spaces/overview From nevynh at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 13:47:44 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Mon Aug 11 13:47:51 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] post-RMS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jaco, Yeah RMS is kind of interesting in the "extremeness" of his views. I found it a bit of a disconnect when that Director/Editor had said that the Free software didn't achieve what he needed it to achive and RMS had suggested that perhaps he should be contributing to a project to make it fit his needs. The problem being for a lot of computer users being that they just want to get the job done. The politics are a secondary concern. I don't think I would use Free software at all if it didn't fulfill a need for me. And of course, there's the issue that not everyone is a programmer. There are lots of people out there who find programming comes naturally to them and others still, at least this was my experience when I was in tech, that programming was this mystical art that they just couldn't get their heads around. As for an official site, try http://www.linux.net.nz - it doesn't get any more official than that. That covers all the lugs (glugs?). For help, this mailing list is often pretty good. Information to sign up to the mailing list can be found here: http://www.linux.net.nz/node/view/11 If that's not their cup of tea and they'd rather ask a question in a less public area, there's always the possibility of asking on the list for a mentor - someone to ask basic questions of to save them getting the answer "google it" or whatever. Regards, Nevyn. On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > Hi guys, > > Attended the RMS lecture, but to be honest, I had difficulty 'connecting' with the GNU-meister (or whatever he refers to himself), but had better luck with other attendees. I know others had a similar experience. > > So! The question raised still stands: where on the official site is info posted (upcoming events, meets, etc), and are there regular meeting? Is there an active drive to recruit new members & turn windoze lackeys into (GNU/)Linux guru's (or should I say Gnuru's?). > >From a few windoze users there is seems obvious that there's enough interest, but not enough apparent support for people willing to make the plung (and I'm talking about common low-end users/students; not techies) > > - J > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Spaces ? your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. > http://get.live.com/spaces/overview_______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From fuad at cs.auckland.ac.nz Mon Aug 11 14:00:31 2008 From: fuad at cs.auckland.ac.nz (Fuad Tabba) Date: Mon Aug 11 14:00:34 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] post-RMS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <909c265f0808101900w209fa652oecfe88e35833bdf4@mail.gmail.com> Slightly off-topic, I missed the Saturday rms talk, will a recording of it be available online? Cheers, /Fuad On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Nevyn wrote: > Hi Jaco, > > Yeah RMS is kind of interesting in the "extremeness" of his views. I > found it a bit of a disconnect when that Director/Editor had said that > the Free software didn't achieve what he needed it to achive and RMS > had suggested that perhaps he should be contributing to a project to > make it fit his needs. > > The problem being for a lot of computer users being that they just > want to get the job done. The politics are a secondary concern. I > don't think I would use Free software at all if it didn't fulfill a > need for me. > > And of course, there's the issue that not everyone is a programmer. > There are lots of people out there who find programming comes > naturally to them and others still, at least this was my experience > when I was in tech, that programming was this mystical art that they > just couldn't get their heads around. > > As for an official site, try http://www.linux.net.nz - it doesn't get > any more official than that. That covers all the lugs (glugs?). For > help, this mailing list is often pretty good. Information to sign up > to the mailing list can be found here: > http://www.linux.net.nz/node/view/11 > > If that's not their cup of tea and they'd rather ask a question in a > less public area, there's always the possibility of asking on the list > for a mentor - someone to ask basic questions of to save them getting > the answer "google it" or whatever. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Jaco van der Merwe > wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > > > Attended the RMS lecture, but to be honest, I had difficulty 'connecting' > with the GNU-meister (or whatever he refers to himself), but had better luck > with other attendees. I know others had a similar experience. > > > > So! The question raised still stands: where on the official site is info > posted (upcoming events, meets, etc), and are there regular meeting? Is > there an active drive to recruit new members & turn windoze lackeys into > (GNU/)Linux guru's (or should I say Gnuru's?). > > >From a few windoze users there is seems obvious that there's enough > interest, but not enough apparent support for people willing to make the > plung (and I'm talking about common low-end users/students; not techies) > > > > - J > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Windows Live Spaces ? your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. > > > http://get.live.com/spaces/overview_______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From freakalad at hotmail.com Tue Aug 12 14:28:46 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Aug 12 14:28:52 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Nevin, Thanks for the response. I've already signed up with most of the major NZ lists, but the point I'm trying to make is that the point-of-contact is not extremely coherent, and it's more a case of "you've got to be on the list to get on the list". I just would have expected there to be more to the site (showcase-ey), and not relying purely on lists. But I think this may be a support to some of the arguments from common users I try to convert. (not really a bad thing) People want eye-candy. Many of these resources are for techs, and so does not cater well to convince people "in the loop" to come over to 'the dark side'. Like the Editor/Director (btw. my fianc?e's also a Editor/Director, so I know where he's coming from), that is looking for a supported, industry-standard, TURN-KEY system, without any mucking about. Now, I know Linux can offer this, but it's never simple. I think THAT's the point. To illustrate: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/08/09/gos_linux_desktop/ (look what happened to lindows) It's a chicken & egg problem (Gnu/)Linux will only seriously rival M$ once there's wide-spread adoption. Wide-spread adoption will not happen until we, as learned tech's & guru's, play down to the lowest common denominator (I call it the moms&pops market), something M$ & apple are doing very well at this stage, but something that Mr.Shuttleworth (my homie!) has taken upon himself to address. His efforts are already payng off, as can be seen bay the metioric rise of Ubuntu (a personal favorite of mine) We need to be critical of ourselves! Why are we so good at the tech, but so terribly bad approaching the people the tech is designed for? I need to be able to give some old lady in a retirement village a linux live disk in a laptop, tell her to start it up & shemust be able to use it off the bat. No fiddling. No configuring. Just work. Until then, the whole excersise is a failure (at least from a desktop-user's perspective; about 90% of the populace) And I think this is a real-world problem that RMS was not willing to admit, or to address Unfortunately, for us in the 'real world', life is a series of compromises. I aspire to the ideals that RMS put forward, but that's exactly what they are: ideals People send me PDF, MS Word & Excell files. I can't send it back to come back to me in ODF out of some "principal". I can't eat or fill my car with philosophy But I AM making a consous decision to avoid using propietary software where I can & convince those I have influence with to do the same. It's like buying "organic" or recycling (at the end of the day it could end up being complete BS, but it's still the RIGHT thing to do) To conclude: I think we, as those who can help, need to become more human and easier to approach. That is the real lesson I took away from RMS's lecture > From: aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > Subject: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 6 > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:00:25 +1200 > > Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to > aucklug@linux.net.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. post-RMS (Jaco van der Merwe) > 2. Re: post-RMS (Nevyn) > 3. Re: post-RMS (Fuad Tabba) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:13:16 +0200 > From: Jaco van der Merwe > Subject: [AuckLUG] post-RMS > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > > Hi guys, > > Attended the RMS lecture, but to be honest, I had difficulty 'connecting' with the GNU-meister (or whatever he refers to himself), but had better luck with other attendees. I know others had a similar experience. > > So! The question raised still stands: where on the official site is info posted (upcoming events, meets, etc), and are there regular meeting? Is there an active drive to recruit new members & turn windoze lackeys into (GNU/)Linux guru's (or should I say Gnuru's?). > >From a few windoze users there is seems obvious that there's enough interest, but not enough apparent support for people willing to make the plung (and I'm talking about common low-end users/students; not techies) > > - J > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Spaces ? your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. > http://get.live.com/spaces/overview > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:47:44 +1200 > From: Nevyn > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] post-RMS > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 > > Hi Jaco, > > Yeah RMS is kind of interesting in the "extremeness" of his views. I > found it a bit of a disconnect when that Director/Editor had said that > the Free software didn't achieve what he needed it to achive and RMS > had suggested that perhaps he should be contributing to a project to > make it fit his needs. > > The problem being for a lot of computer users being that they just > want to get the job done. The politics are a secondary concern. I > don't think I would use Free software at all if it didn't fulfill a > need for me. > > And of course, there's the issue that not everyone is a programmer. > There are lots of people out there who find programming comes > naturally to them and others still, at least this was my experience > when I was in tech, that programming was this mystical art that they > just couldn't get their heads around. > > As for an official site, try http://www.linux.net.nz - it doesn't get > any more official than that. That covers all the lugs (glugs?). For > help, this mailing list is often pretty good. Information to sign up > to the mailing list can be found here: > http://www.linux.net.nz/node/view/11 > > If that's not their cup of tea and they'd rather ask a question in a > less public area, there's always the possibility of asking on the list > for a mentor - someone to ask basic questions of to save them getting > the answer "google it" or whatever. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Jaco van der Merwe > wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > > > Attended the RMS lecture, but to be honest, I had difficulty 'connecting' with the GNU-meister (or whatever he refers to himself), but had better luck with other attendees. I know others had a similar experience. > > > > So! The question raised still stands: where on the official site is info posted (upcoming events, meets, etc), and are there regular meeting? Is there an active drive to recruit new members & turn windoze lackeys into (GNU/)Linux guru's (or should I say Gnuru's?). > > >From a few windoze users there is seems obvious that there's enough interest, but not enough apparent support for people willing to make the plung (and I'm talking about common low-end users/students; not techies) > > > > - J > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Windows Live Spaces ? your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. > > http://get.live.com/spaces/overview_______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:00:31 +1200 > From: "Fuad Tabba" > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] post-RMS > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Message-ID: > <909c265f0808101900w209fa652oecfe88e35833bdf4@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 > > Slightly off-topic, I missed the Saturday rms talk, will a recording of it > be available online? > > Cheers, > /Fuad > > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Nevyn wrote: > > > Hi Jaco, > > > > Yeah RMS is kind of interesting in the "extremeness" of his views. I > > found it a bit of a disconnect when that Director/Editor had said that > > the Free software didn't achieve what he needed it to achive and RMS > > had suggested that perhaps he should be contributing to a project to > > make it fit his needs. > > > > The problem being for a lot of computer users being that they just > > want to get the job done. The politics are a secondary concern. I > > don't think I would use Free software at all if it didn't fulfill a > > need for me. > > > > And of course, there's the issue that not everyone is a programmer. > > There are lots of people out there who find programming comes > > naturally to them and others still, at least this was my experience > > when I was in tech, that programming was this mystical art that they > > just couldn't get their heads around. > > > > As for an official site, try http://www.linux.net.nz - it doesn't get > > any more official than that. That covers all the lugs (glugs?). For > > help, this mailing list is often pretty good. Information to sign up > > to the mailing list can be found here: > > http://www.linux.net.nz/node/view/11 > > > > If that's not their cup of tea and they'd rather ask a question in a > > less public area, there's always the possibility of asking on the list > > for a mentor - someone to ask basic questions of to save them getting > > the answer "google it" or whatever. > > > > Regards, > > Nevyn. > > > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Jaco van der Merwe > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > Attended the RMS lecture, but to be honest, I had difficulty 'connecting' > > with the GNU-meister (or whatever he refers to himself), but had better luck > > with other attendees. I know others had a similar experience. > > > > > > So! The question raised still stands: where on the official site is info > > posted (upcoming events, meets, etc), and are there regular meeting? Is > > there an active drive to recruit new members & turn windoze lackeys into > > (GNU/)Linux guru's (or should I say Gnuru's?). > > > >From a few windoze users there is seems obvious that there's enough > > interest, but not enough apparent support for people willing to make the > > plung (and I'm talking about common low-end users/students; not techies) > > > > > > - J > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Windows Live Spaces ? your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. > > > > > http://get.live.com/spaces/overview_______________________________________________ > > > AuckLUG mailing list > > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 6 > ************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces ? your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. http://get.live.com/spaces/overview From sbwithers at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 15:01:58 2008 From: sbwithers at gmail.com (Steve Withers) Date: Tue Aug 12 15:02:03 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4372ea620808112001s1ec65ebbk524a0a17b7bf825@mail.gmail.com> The linux on the ASUS eeePC is much closer to a turn-key system than anything I've seen with Windows on it. :-) -- Steve Withers sbwithers@gmail.com +64-21-0267-3530 From lilypatch at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 20:28:58 2008 From: lilypatch at gmail.com (David Bowen) Date: Tue Aug 12 20:29:12 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re:TURN-KEY system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A149CA.7010406@gmail.com> Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Hey Nevin, > > Thanks for the response. I've already signed up with most of the major NZ lists, but the point I'm trying to make is that the point-of-contact is not extremely coherent, and it's more a case of "you've got to be on the list to get on the list". > I just would have expected there to be more to the site (showcase-ey), and not relying purely on lists. > > But I think this may be a support to some of the arguments from common users I try to convert. (not really a bad thing) > People want eye-candy. Many of these resources are for techs, and so does not cater well to convince people "in the loop" to come over to 'the dark side'. > Like the Editor/Director (btw. my fianc?e's also a Editor/Director, so I know where he's coming from), that is looking for a supported, industry-standard, TURN-KEY system, without any mucking about. Now, I know Linux can offer this, but it's never simple. > I think THAT's the point. > > To illustrate: > http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/08/09/gos_linux_desktop/ > (look what happened to lindows) > > It's a chicken & egg problem > (Gnu/)Linux will only seriously rival M$ once there's wide-spread adoption. > Wide-spread adoption will not happen until we, as learned tech's & guru's, play down to the lowest common denominator (I call it the moms&pops market), something M$ & apple are doing very well at this stage, but something that Mr.Shuttleworth (my homie!) has taken upon himself to address. > Yes Microsoft has manufacturers jumping through hoops to work with Windows due to it's huge market share. Many don't care about the tiny Linux market, although this is changing. If manufacturers won't release specifications to write the drivers, then it becomes a laborious job of reverse engineering. You can't blame Linux for that, The programmers do what they can, But like I said, this is changing now in a major way. > His efforts are already payng off, as can be seen bay the metioric rise of Ubuntu (a personal favorite of mine) > > We need to be critical of ourselves! Why are we so good at the tech, but so terribly bad approaching the people the tech is designed for? > > I need to be able to give some old lady in a retirement village a linux live disk in a laptop, tell her to start it up & shemust be able to use it off the bat. > Do you really think if you gave the old lady a Windows disc she could install it herself??? Probably not. She would get the machine preinstalled with Windows. Linux available preinstalled is just starting to happen, Not so much available here yet, Dell is selling Ubuntu preinstalled in the US and Europe but not for the time being here. But Acer and Asus are selling laptops with Linux preinstalled here at Dick Smith. Installing Windows is not always straight forward either, then you have to install the drivers! > No fiddling. No configuring. Just work. > Until then, the whole excersise is a failure (at least from a desktop-user's perspective; about 90% of the populace) > > And I think this is a real-world problem that RMS was not willing to admit, or to address > Richard is an extremists. Much as I respect him, I wouldn't call his views mainstream in the open source movement. > Unfortunately, for us in the 'real world', life is a series of compromises. I aspire to the ideals that RMS put forward, but that's exactly what they are: ideals > People send me PDF, MS Word & Excell files. I can't send it back to come back to me in ODF out of some "principal". > I can't eat or fill my car with philosophy > On the other hand if I can live without something that is proprietary and I can't do with Linux, They lose a customer/consumer. But you can save file in Microsoft formats with Open Office, although it is not the default file format, it can be set as the default file format. Something Microsoft only plans on adding ODF and PDF support under great duress. (Customers leaving for want of support) > But I AM making a consous decision to avoid using propietary software where I can & convince those I have influence with to do the same. > It's like buying "organic" or recycling (at the end of the day it could end up being complete BS, but it's still the RIGHT thing to do) > > To conclude: > I think we, as those who can help, need to become more human and easier to approach. > That is the real lesson I took away from RMS's lecture > > > From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 21:13:53 2008 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (robin paulson) Date: Tue Aug 12 21:14:04 2008 Subject: converting to linux (was Re: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 6) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A15451.7040102@gmail.com> Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > But I think this may be a support to some of the arguments from common users I try to convert. (not really a bad thing) > People want eye-candy. Many of these resources are for techs, and so does not cater well to convince people "in the loop" to come over to 'the dark side'. > Like the Editor/Director (btw. my fianc?e's also a Editor/Director, so I know where he's coming from), that is looking for a supported, industry-standard, > TURN-KEY system, without any mucking about. Now, I know Linux can offer this, but it's never simple. > I think THAT's the point. > > To illustrate: > http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/08/09/gos_linux_desktop/ > (look what happened to lindows) > > It's a chicken & egg problem > (Gnu/)Linux will only seriously rival M$ once there's wide-spread adoption. > Wide-spread adoption will not happen until we, as learned tech's & guru's, play down to the lowest common denominator (I call it the moms&pops market), which sounds patronising, and tramples all-over people's ability to make choices: you appear to be saying 'i know what you need, do as i say' if you want to convince people of anything, you can't talk down to them - they won't want to know, or will feel bullied into changing. > something M$ & apple are doing very well at this stage, but something > that Mr.Shuttleworth (my homie!) has taken upon himself to address. > His efforts are already payng off, as can be seen bay the metioric rise of Ubuntu (a personal favorite of mine) Yep, using it here too. great stuff However, there are those would argue that some other distros are better (whatever that means) than ubuntu. But it's still popular, and i would suspect that a lot of ubuntu's success is not for any rational, technical reason, but down to hype, generated on digg, slashdot, etc. - it's why i started using it (see below for relevance). > We need to be critical of ourselves! Why are we so good at the tech, but so terribly bad approaching the people the tech is designed for? > > I need to be able to give some old lady in a retirement village a linux live disk in a laptop, tell her to start it up & shemust be able to use it off the bat. > No fiddling. No configuring. Just work. > Until then, the whole excersise is a failure (at least from a desktop-user's perspective; about 90% of the populace) > I'd argue that windows doesn't 'just work' either, but i think that's missing the point - see below. > And I think this is a real-world problem that RMS was not willing to admit, or to address > > Unfortunately, for us in the 'real world', life is a series of compromises. I aspire to the ideals that RMS put forward, but that's exactly what they are: ideals > People send me PDF, MS Word & Excell files. I can't send it back to come back to me in ODF out of some "principal". > I can't eat or fill my car with philosophy > > But I AM making a consous decision to avoid using propietary software where I can & convince those I have influence with to do the same. > It's like buying "organic" or recycling (at the end of the day it could end up being complete BS, but it's still the RIGHT thing to do) > > To conclude: > I think we, as those who can help, need to become more human and easier to approach. > That is the real lesson I took away from RMS's lecture People often approach the 'use linux, not windows' debate with technical arguments like 'it's more secure', 'it doesn't cost anything', 'it comes with all the software you need', which doesn't appeal to a lot of people who aren't 'into' computers like your average LUG member. If you want to attract more people, you have to get over the social issues, not the technical ones. People use windows because: *it's what they are used to; people are resistant to change *it's what their friend/neighbour/son, etc. use; people tend to do the same as their peers *it's what the computer came with; *it costs something; most people have been brought up in a society where money==value, so $0 is a negative, not a positive *linux is seen as dorky, windows as 'designed for the masses' Neither of which follows much logic, apart from not requiring a lot of effort in an abstract field they have no particular opinions about Not everyone's as rational as you'd think (which may or may not be a good thing): there are plenty of irrational decisions made by everyone - myself and yourself included, i'm sure - and this includes making choices about computers, or anything else that can be looked at in a rational light On the other hand, do we need to actively attract more people to free software? most of them seem quite happy using microsoft/apple/adobe products, who are we to evangelise what's 'right'? From alex at mkw-it.com Tue Aug 12 21:53:30 2008 From: alex at mkw-it.com (Alex Williams) Date: Tue Aug 12 21:53:40 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <1218532748.6246.36.camel@mkw-kubuntu-804> References: <1218532748.6246.36.camel@mkw-kubuntu-804> Message-ID: <1218534810.6246.57.camel@mkw-kubuntu-804> Hi folks, Appologies for the length of this, my first post in the list so to speak. If there are two things I'm fed up to the back teeth of it's Linux Elitists and Mac OSX Worshippers. "Ubuntu users are newbs who have no idea what Linux is all about" - Who cares for crying out loud they're using Linux and loving it! "Mac OSX has the absolute best UI, it's the most intuitive, easy to use and pleasnt to look at" - WHAT? Am I looking at a different Mac OSX to these people? Well let me put this to you, you no longer need to be an elitist to use Linux, you can install *Ubuntu, Suse or even Fedora now, very very easily. As for modifying it to the way you like it, well thats nothing more than a google search away if you're that way inclined but not very technical. The GUI utilities to modify Linux are coming thick and fast now. I remember a year ago making my dual screens work properly was an absolute nightmare and I kept an xorg.conf on my USB stick just in case I needed to revert back to it, now though, I install the Nvidia Proprietary drivers, go to my K menu > Settings and use the Nvidia GUI to set it up. Linux IS ready for the desktop, the fact that I and so many other people are now using it as their primary OS for work and home proves that. Granted it may not be the desktop for EVERYONE but it never will be because even the mighty Windows never managed to claim 100% of the market. Mac OSX is an OK operating system in my book, it looks reasonably good, but I get lost when looking for things because nothing ever seems to be in the right place, the Bash shell seems to be very tightyly locked down, and you want to install software on it that isn't bundled for it? Forget it! I personally use Kubuntu as my main OS, I do have Gentoo and Fedora 9 installed as well but Fedora 9 has too much beta stuff in it to be useable as my desktop at the moment and Gentoo takes too long with my current time constraints to actually do anything. Here's the shocker for some, I also use and develop in Windows Vista, it's my fourth operating system, I haven't booted it for over a week now but I'm about due a day in Vista. I'm very much in agreement with something said earlier about Linux users needing to kerb the technical attitude and be more down to earth for those users who are not as technical as us. As for the Aucklug website has anyone thought about using some blogging software? Something everyones heard about and is really really easy to make look nice? Something like Wordpress or similar? By default only the administrator can actually post a "blog" (a notification of an event or a specific item of news to tempt people browsing) and you still have a very easy to maintain, not too flashy site. Just as a side note and I hope this isn't seen as advertising but I'm just in the process of setting up a new company, I've put a forum on the site which I'm hoping to build a community with more than use it for business. I wouldn't be against putting an AukLug section in it. Alex -----Original Message----- From: aucklug-request@linux.net.nz Reply-To: aucklug@linux.net.nz To: aucklug@linux.net.nz Subject: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 7 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:14:04 +1200 Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to aucklug@linux.net.nz To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aucklug-request@linux.net.nz You can reach the person managing the list at aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 6 (Jaco van der Merwe) 2. Re: RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 6 (Steve Withers) 3. Re:TURN-KEY system (David Bowen) 4. converting to linux (was Re: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 6) (robin paulson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:28:46 +0200 From: Jaco van der Merwe Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 6 To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Hey Nevin, Thanks for the response. I've already signed up with most of the major NZ lists, but the point I'm trying to make is that the point-of-contact is not extremely coherent, and it's more a case of "you've got to be on the list to get on the list". I just would have expected there to be more to the site (showcase-ey), and not relying purely on lists. But I think this may be a support to some of the arguments from common users I try to convert. (not really a bad thing) People want eye-candy. Many of these resources are for techs, and so does not cater well to convince people "in the loop" to come over to 'the dark side'. Like the Editor/Director (btw. my fiance's also a Editor/Director, so I know where he's coming from), that is looking for a supported, industry-standard, TURN-KEY system, without any mucking about. Now, I know Linux can offer this, but it's never simple. I think THAT's the point. To illustrate: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/08/09/gos_linux_desktop/ (look what happened to lindows) It's a chicken & egg problem (Gnu/)Linux will only seriously rival M$ once there's wide-spread adoption. Wide-spread adoption will not happen until we, as learned tech's & guru's, play down to the lowest common denominator (I call it the moms&pops market), something M$ & apple are doing very well at this stage, but something that Mr.Shuttleworth (my homie!) has taken upon himself to address. His efforts are already payng off, as can be seen bay the metioric rise of Ubuntu (a personal favorite of mine) We need to be critical of ourselves! Why are we so good at the tech, but so terribly bad approaching the people the tech is designed for? I need to be able to give some old lady in a retirement village a linux live disk in a laptop, tell her to start it up & shemust be able to use it off the bat. No fiddling. No configuring. Just work. Until then, the whole excersise is a failure (at least from a desktop-user's perspective; about 90% of the populace) And I think this is a real-world problem that RMS was not willing to admit, or to address Unfortunately, for us in the 'real world', life is a series of compromises. I aspire to the ideals that RMS put forward, but that's exactly what they are: ideals People send me PDF, MS Word & Excell files. I can't send it back to come back to me in ODF out of some "principal". I can't eat or fill my car with philosophy But I AM making a consous decision to avoid using propietary software where I can & convince those I have influence with to do the same. It's like buying "organic" or recycling (at the end of the day it could end up being complete BS, but it's still the RIGHT thing to do) To conclude: I think we, as those who can help, need to become more human and easier to approach. That is the real lesson I took away from RMS's lecture > From: aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > Subject: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 6 > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:00:25 +1200 > > Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to > aucklug@linux.net.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. post-RMS (Jaco van der Merwe) > 2. Re: post-RMS (Nevyn) > 3. Re: post-RMS (Fuad Tabba) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:13:16 +0200 > From: Jaco van der Merwe > Subject: [AuckLUG] post-RMS > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > > Hi guys, > > Attended the RMS lecture, but to be honest, I had difficulty 'connecting' with the GNU-meister (or whatever he refers to himself), but had better luck with other attendees. I know others had a similar experience. > > So! The question raised still stands: where on the official site is info posted (upcoming events, meets, etc), and are there regular meeting? Is there an active drive to recruit new members & turn windoze lackeys into (GNU/)Linux guru's (or should I say Gnuru's?). > >From a few windoze users there is seems obvious that there's enough interest, but not enough apparent support for people willing to make the plung (and I'm talking about common low-end users/students; not techies) > > - J > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Spaces your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. > http://get.live.com/spaces/overview > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:47:44 +1200 > From: Nevyn > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] post-RMS > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 > > Hi Jaco, > > Yeah RMS is kind of interesting in the "extremeness" of his views. I > found it a bit of a disconnect when that Director/Editor had said that > the Free software didn't achieve what he needed it to achive and RMS > had suggested that perhaps he should be contributing to a project to > make it fit his needs. > > The problem being for a lot of computer users being that they just > want to get the job done. The politics are a secondary concern. I > don't think I would use Free software at all if it didn't fulfill a > need for me. > > And of course, there's the issue that not everyone is a programmer. > There are lots of people out there who find programming comes > naturally to them and others still, at least this was my experience > when I was in tech, that programming was this mystical art that they > just couldn't get their heads around. > > As for an official site, try http://www.linux.net.nz - it doesn't get > any more official than that. That covers all the lugs (glugs?). For > help, this mailing list is often pretty good. Information to sign up > to the mailing list can be found here: > http://www.linux.net.nz/node/view/11 > > If that's not their cup of tea and they'd rather ask a question in a > less public area, there's always the possibility of asking on the list > for a mentor - someone to ask basic questions of to save them getting > the answer "google it" or whatever. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Jaco van der Merwe > wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > > > Attended the RMS lecture, but to be honest, I had difficulty 'connecting' with the GNU-meister (or whatever he refers to himself), but had better luck with other attendees. I know others had a similar experience. > > > > So! The question raised still stands: where on the official site is info posted (upcoming events, meets, etc), and are there regular meeting? Is there an active drive to recruit new members & turn windoze lackeys into (GNU/)Linux guru's (or should I say Gnuru's?). > > >From a few windoze users there is seems obvious that there's enough interest, but not enough apparent support for people willing to make the plung (and I'm talking about common low-end users/students; not techies) > > > > - J > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Windows Live Spaces your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. > > http://get.live.com/spaces/overview_______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:00:31 +1200 > From: "Fuad Tabba" > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] post-RMS > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Message-ID: > <909c265f0808101900w209fa652oecfe88e35833bdf4@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 > > Slightly off-topic, I missed the Saturday rms talk, will a recording of it > be available online? > > Cheers, > /Fuad > > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Nevyn wrote: > > > Hi Jaco, > > > > Yeah RMS is kind of interesting in the "extremeness" of his views. I > > found it a bit of a disconnect when that Director/Editor had said that > > the Free software didn't achieve what he needed it to achive and RMS > > had suggested that perhaps he should be contributing to a project to > > make it fit his needs. > > > > The problem being for a lot of computer users being that they just > > want to get the job done. The politics are a secondary concern. I > > don't think I would use Free software at all if it didn't fulfill a > > need for me. > > > > And of course, there's the issue that not everyone is a programmer. > > There are lots of people out there who find programming comes > > naturally to them and others still, at least this was my experience > > when I was in tech, that programming was this mystical art that they > > just couldn't get their heads around. > > > > As for an official site, try http://www.linux.net.nz - it doesn't get > > any more official than that. That covers all the lugs (glugs?). For > > help, this mailing list is often pretty good. Information to sign up > > to the mailing list can be found here: > > http://www.linux.net.nz/node/view/11 > > > > If that's not their cup of tea and they'd rather ask a question in a > > less public area, there's always the possibility of asking on the list > > for a mentor - someone to ask basic questions of to save them getting > > the answer "google it" or whatever. > > > > Regards, > > Nevyn. > > > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Jaco van der Merwe > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > Attended the RMS lecture, but to be honest, I had difficulty 'connecting' > > with the GNU-meister (or whatever he refers to himself), but had better luck > > with other attendees. I know others had a similar experience. > > > > > > So! The question raised still stands: where on the official site is info > > posted (upcoming events, meets, etc), and are there regular meeting? Is > > there an active drive to recruit new members & turn windoze lackeys into > > (GNU/)Linux guru's (or should I say Gnuru's?). > > > >From a few windoze users there is seems obvious that there's enough > > interest, but not enough apparent support for people willing to make the > > plung (and I'm talking about common low-end users/students; not techies) > > > > > > - J > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Windows Live Spaces your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. > > > > > http://get.live.com/spaces/overview_______________________________________________ > > > AuckLUG mailing list > > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 6 > ************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. http://get.live.com/spaces/overview ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:01:58 +1200 From: "Steve Withers" Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 6 To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" Message-ID: <4372ea620808112001s1ec65ebbk524a0a17b7bf825@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The linux on the ASUS eeePC is much closer to a turn-key system than anything I've seen with Windows on it. :-) -- Steve Withers sbwithers@gmail.com +64-21-0267-3530 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:28:58 +1200 From: David Bowen Subject: [AuckLUG] Re:TURN-KEY system To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list Message-ID: <48A149CA.7010406@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Hey Nevin, > > Thanks for the response. I've already signed up with most of the major NZ lists, but the point I'm trying to make is that the point-of-contact is not extremely coherent, and it's more a case of "you've got to be on the list to get on the list". > I just would have expected there to be more to the site (showcase-ey), and not relying purely on lists. > > But I think this may be a support to some of the arguments from common users I try to convert. (not really a bad thing) > People want eye-candy. Many of these resources are for techs, and so does not cater well to convince people "in the loop" to come over to 'the dark side'. > Like the Editor/Director (btw. my fiance's also a Editor/Director, so I know where he's coming from), that is looking for a supported, industry-standard, TURN-KEY system, without any mucking about. Now, I know Linux can offer this, but it's never simple. > I think THAT's the point. > > To illustrate: > http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/08/09/gos_linux_desktop/ > (look what happened to lindows) > > It's a chicken & egg problem > (Gnu/)Linux will only seriously rival M$ once there's wide-spread adoption. > Wide-spread adoption will not happen until we, as learned tech's & guru's, play down to the lowest common denominator (I call it the moms&pops market), something M$ & apple are doing very well at this stage, but something that Mr.Shuttleworth (my homie!) has taken upon himself to address. > Yes Microsoft has manufacturers jumping through hoops to work with Windows due to it's huge market share. Many don't care about the tiny Linux market, although this is changing. If manufacturers won't release specifications to write the drivers, then it becomes a laborious job of reverse engineering. You can't blame Linux for that, The programmers do what they can, But like I said, this is changing now in a major way. > His efforts are already payng off, as can be seen bay the metioric rise of Ubuntu (a personal favorite of mine) > > We need to be critical of ourselves! Why are we so good at the tech, but so terribly bad approaching the people the tech is designed for? > > I need to be able to give some old lady in a retirement village a linux live disk in a laptop, tell her to start it up & shemust be able to use it off the bat. > Do you really think if you gave the old lady a Windows disc she could install it herself??? Probably not. She would get the machine preinstalled with Windows. Linux available preinstalled is just starting to happen, Not so much available here yet, Dell is selling Ubuntu preinstalled in the US and Europe but not for the time being here. But Acer and Asus are selling laptops with Linux preinstalled here at Dick Smith. Installing Windows is not always straight forward either, then you have to install the drivers! > No fiddling. No configuring. Just work. > Until then, the whole excersise is a failure (at least from a desktop-user's perspective; about 90% of the populace) > > And I think this is a real-world problem that RMS was not willing to admit, or to address > Richard is an extremists. Much as I respect him, I wouldn't call his views mainstream in the open source movement. > Unfortunately, for us in the 'real world', life is a series of compromises. I aspire to the ideals that RMS put forward, but that's exactly what they are: ideals > People send me PDF, MS Word & Excell files. I can't send it back to come back to me in ODF out of some "principal". > I can't eat or fill my car with philosophy > On the other hand if I can live without something that is proprietary and I can't do with Linux, They lose a customer/consumer. But you can save file in Microsoft formats with Open Office, although it is not the default file format, it can be set as the default file format. Something Microsoft only plans on adding ODF and PDF support under great duress. (Customers leaving for want of support) > But I AM making a consous decision to avoid using propietary software where I can & convince those I have influence with to do the same. > It's like buying "organic" or recycling (at the end of the day it could end up being complete BS, but it's still the RIGHT thing to do) > > To conclude: > I think we, as those who can help, need to become more human and easier to approach. > That is the real lesson I took away from RMS's lecture > > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:13:53 +1200 From: robin paulson Subject: converting to linux (was Re: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 6) To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list Message-ID: <48A15451.7040102@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > But I think this may be a support to some of the arguments from common users I try to convert. (not really a bad thing) > People want eye-candy. Many of these resources are for techs, and so does not cater well to convince people "in the loop" to come over to 'the dark side'. > Like the Editor/Director (btw. my fiance's also a Editor/Director, so I know where he's coming from), that is looking for a supported, industry-standard, > TURN-KEY system, without any mucking about. Now, I know Linux can offer this, but it's never simple. > I think THAT's the point. > > To illustrate: > http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/08/09/gos_linux_desktop/ > (look what happened to lindows) > > It's a chicken & egg problem > (Gnu/)Linux will only seriously rival M$ once there's wide-spread adoption. > Wide-spread adoption will not happen until we, as learned tech's & guru's, play down to the lowest common denominator (I call it the moms&pops market), which sounds patronising, and tramples all-over people's ability to make choices: you appear to be saying 'i know what you need, do as i say' if you want to convince people of anything, you can't talk down to them - they won't want to know, or will feel bullied into changing. > something M$ & apple are doing very well at this stage, but something > that Mr.Shuttleworth (my homie!) has taken upon himself to address. > His efforts are already payng off, as can be seen bay the metioric rise of Ubuntu (a personal favorite of mine) Yep, using it here too. great stuff However, there are those would argue that some other distros are better (whatever that means) than ubuntu. But it's still popular, and i would suspect that a lot of ubuntu's success is not for any rational, technical reason, but down to hype, generated on digg, slashdot, etc. - it's why i started using it (see below for relevance). > We need to be critical of ourselves! Why are we so good at the tech, but so terribly bad approaching the people the tech is designed for? > > I need to be able to give some old lady in a retirement village a linux live disk in a laptop, tell her to start it up & shemust be able to use it off the bat. > No fiddling. No configuring. Just work. > Until then, the whole excersise is a failure (at least from a desktop-user's perspective; about 90% of the populace) > I'd argue that windows doesn't 'just work' either, but i think that's missing the point - see below. > And I think this is a real-world problem that RMS was not willing to admit, or to address > > Unfortunately, for us in the 'real world', life is a series of compromises. I aspire to the ideals that RMS put forward, but that's exactly what they are: ideals > People send me PDF, MS Word & Excell files. I can't send it back to come back to me in ODF out of some "principal". > I can't eat or fill my car with philosophy > > But I AM making a consous decision to avoid using propietary software where I can & convince those I have influence with to do the same. > It's like buying "organic" or recycling (at the end of the day it could end up being complete BS, but it's still the RIGHT thing to do) > > To conclude: > I think we, as those who can help, need to become more human and easier to approach. > That is the real lesson I took away from RMS's lecture People often approach the 'use linux, not windows' debate with technical arguments like 'it's more secure', 'it doesn't cost anything', 'it comes with all the software you need', which doesn't appeal to a lot of people who aren't 'into' computers like your average LUG member. If you want to attract more people, you have to get over the social issues, not the technical ones. People use windows because: *it's what they are used to; people are resistant to change *it's what their friend/neighbour/son, etc. use; people tend to do the same as their peers *it's what the computer came with; *it costs something; most people have been brought up in a society where money==value, so $0 is a negative, not a positive *linux is seen as dorky, windows as 'designed for the masses' Neither of which follows much logic, apart from not requiring a lot of effort in an abstract field they have no particular opinions about Not everyone's as rational as you'd think (which may or may not be a good thing): there are plenty of irrational decisions made by everyone - myself and yourself included, i'm sure - and this includes making choices about computers, or anything else that can be looked at in a rational light On the other hand, do we need to actively attract more people to free software? most of them seem quite happy using microsoft/apple/adobe products, who are we to evangelise what's 'right'? ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 7 ************************************** From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Aug 12 22:04:35 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Aug 12 22:04:43 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <1218534810.6246.57.camel@mkw-kubuntu-804> References: <1218532748.6246.36.camel@mkw-kubuntu-804> <1218534810.6246.57.camel@mkw-kubuntu-804> Message-ID: > > As for the Aucklug website has anyone thought about using some blogging > software? Something everyones heard about and is really really easy to > make look nice? Something like Wordpress or similar? By default only the > administrator can actually post a "blog" (a notification of an event or > a specific item of news to tempt people browsing) and you still have a > very easy to maintain, not too flashy site. > > Just as a side note and I hope this isn't seen as advertising but I'm > just in the process of setting up a new company, I've put a forum on the > site which I'm hoping to build a community with more than use it for > business. I wouldn't be against putting an AukLug section in it. > *much additional quoting snipped* The AuckLUG website was only ever intended to be a holding page. Some time after AuckLUG was formed I moved to Wellington. It seemed appropriate that I step down as an administrator of AuckLUG - I did - and noone has picked up the mantle of 'webmaster' yet. For dynamic content you have the following sites to leverage, however: www.linux.net.nz carries announcements of Linux related events for all of NZ though predominantly for Auckland and Waikato. wiki.linux.net.nz is well, a Wiki. It's also an excellent resource and there's some logic in sharing that resource amongst all the LUGs - so everyone is encouraged to use it. Beyond those if AuckLUG want a site it's up to AuckLUG to drive it. The DNS record can be pointed wherever. Joel and/or Scott probably need to pipe up at this point, though, as they're the ones who have the leadership role here I believe... Mark. (the current host of auckland.linux.net.nz) From mosborne at ashs.school.nz Wed Aug 13 16:19:28 2008 From: mosborne at ashs.school.nz (Mark Osborne) Date: Wed Aug 13 16:19:43 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Enterprise Linux support Message-ID: <48A260D0.60004@ashs.school.nz> I'm a Deputy Principal at a senior high school in Auckland and we're wanting to use Linux as our main OS throughout the school (staff laptops, student desktops etc.) but we're reaching a point where we need some specialist advice about what's possible and what's not and the various pitfalls to avoid. I was wondering if anyone could recommend a place to start with this sort of thing. Are there companies out there that support Linux/Ubuntu in schools/enterprises? Where do we start? Kind regards, Mark Osborne From andreas at linux.co.nz Wed Aug 13 16:28:35 2008 From: andreas at linux.co.nz (Andy Linux) Date: Wed Aug 13 16:28:22 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Enterprise Linux support In-Reply-To: <48A260D0.60004@ashs.school.nz> References: <48A260D0.60004@ashs.school.nz> Message-ID: Give me a call I can help Regards, Andy Linux Mobile: 0064 21 2840435 On 13/08/2008, at 16:19, Mark Osborne wrote: > I'm a Deputy Principal at a senior high school in Auckland and we're > wanting to use Linux as our main OS throughout the school (staff > laptops, student desktops etc.) but we're reaching a point where we > need some specialist advice about what's possible and what's not and > the various pitfalls to avoid. I was wondering if anyone could > recommend a place to start with this sort of thing. Are there > companies out there that support Linux/Ubuntu in schools/ > enterprises? Where do we start? > Kind regards, > Mark Osborne > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From Raymond.Che at progressive.co.nz Wed Aug 13 16:40:35 2008 From: Raymond.Che at progressive.co.nz (Che Raymond) Date: Wed Aug 13 16:41:08 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Enterprise Linux support In-Reply-To: <48A260D0.60004@ashs.school.nz> References: <48A260D0.60004@ashs.school.nz> Message-ID: I've been working for different companies in Linux/Unix environment for couple years and now still working for a very big company in Auckland in Windows/Linux/Unix combined environment. I found that each OS would have their own advantages and disadvantages. Most companies are using the windows as their work stations, meanwhile the Linux/Unix as their backend servers. But it's not necessary the same for all others. As Ubuntu got lots stuff like open office built-in, it's matured enough to be a work station. Depends on what goal you are going to achieve and your budget. Normally the email server, file server, database server are the essential servers. As my experiences I would say Red Hat Enterprise version may be worth to go. Kind regards, Ray Che -----Original Message----- From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] On Behalf Of Mark Osborne Sent: Wednesday, 13 August 2008 4:19 p.m. To: aucklug@linux.net.nz Subject: [AuckLUG] Enterprise Linux support I'm a Deputy Principal at a senior high school in Auckland and we're wanting to use Linux as our main OS throughout the school (staff laptops, student desktops etc.) but we're reaching a point where we need some specialist advice about what's possible and what's not and the various pitfalls to avoid. I was wondering if anyone could recommend a place to start with this sort of thing. Are there companies out there that support Linux/Ubuntu in schools/enterprises? Where do we start? Kind regards, Mark Osborne _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug *********************************************************** CAUTION: This email and files included in its transmission are solely intended for the use of the addressee(s) and may contain information that is confidential and privileged. If you receive this email in error, please advise us immediately and delete it without copying the contents contained within. Woolworths Limited (including its group of companies) do not accept liability for the views expressed within or the consequences of any computer viruses that may be transmitted with this email. The contents are also subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or transmitted without the written consent of the copyright owner. *********************************************************** From michael.auckland at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 18:55:21 2008 From: michael.auckland at gmail.com (Michael) Date: Wed Aug 13 18:55:55 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Enterprise Linux support In-Reply-To: <48A260D0.60004@ashs.school.nz> References: <48A260D0.60004@ashs.school.nz> Message-ID: <35207fdf0808122355x1d8a0300kce8af61694bf332f@mail.gmail.com> Hi Mark, Check http://www.linuxservices.co.nz On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Mark Osborne wrote: > I'm a Deputy Principal at a senior high school in Auckland and we're wanting > to use Linux as our main OS throughout the school (staff laptops, student > desktops etc.) but we're reaching a point where we need some specialist > advice about what's possible and what's not and the various pitfalls to > avoid. I was wondering if anyone could recommend a place to start with this > sort of thing. Are there companies out there that support Linux/Ubuntu in > schools/enterprises? Where do we start? > Kind regards, > Mark Osborne > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- -- Michael From graham at theingots.org.nz Thu Aug 14 09:24:48 2008 From: graham at theingots.org.nz (Graham Lauder) Date: Thu Aug 14 09:28:16 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Enterprise Linux support In-Reply-To: <48A260D0.60004@ashs.school.nz> References: <48A260D0.60004@ashs.school.nz> Message-ID: <1218662688.28122.42.camel@linux-rzf3.site> On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 16:19 +1200, Mark Osborne wrote: > I'm a Deputy Principal at a senior high school in Auckland and we're > wanting to use Linux as our main OS throughout the school (staff > laptops, student desktops etc.) but we're reaching a point where we need > some specialist advice about what's possible and what's not and the > various pitfalls to avoid. I was wondering if anyone could recommend a > place to start with this sort of thing. Are there companies out there > that support Linux/Ubuntu in schools/enterprises? Where do we start? > Kind regards, > Mark Osborne > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug Hi Mark, Your best bets at this point in time are: Novell SuSE Linux Enterprise aka SLED 10,(Because Novell has a deal signed with the MinEdu and they have extensive history with schools through NetWare), Red Hat Enterprise (because it has a high user level in the secondary school space in the back end) Both do a really good thin client solution and both have enterprise level support locally My company specialises in Desktop migration and training and we can provide Professional Development training in Desktop applications on the Linux Desktop for staff onsite or at our own facilities. We provide training in OpenOffice.org, The GIMP, Inkscape and Audacity. We are also the New Zealand administering Authority for INGOTs (http://www.theingots.org) (International Grades: Open Technologies) Feel free to give me a ring. Yours Graham Lauder -- Open Opportunities Ltd http//:www.openopportunities.co.nz Open Technologies Migration and Change Management Consultants Front Office ICT Training and Certification Web Presence Management Consultancy SuSE Linux Enterprise and OpenOffice.org specialists Grayburn House, Tokoroa Phone +64 7 886 0656 Mobile +64 27 494 4315 From c.mills at auckland.ac.nz Thu Aug 14 09:37:08 2008 From: c.mills at auckland.ac.nz (Clark Mills) Date: Thu Aug 14 09:37:18 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Enterprise Linux support In-Reply-To: <1218662688.28122.42.camel@linux-rzf3.site> References: <48A260D0.60004@ashs.school.nz> <1218662688.28122.42.camel@linux-rzf3.site> Message-ID: <48A35404.2010303@auckland.ac.nz> On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 16:19 +1200, Mark Osborne wrote: > I'm a Deputy Principal at a senior high school in Auckland and we're > wanting to use Linux as our main OS throughout the school (staff > laptops, student desktops etc.) but we're reaching a point where we need > some specialist advice about what's possible and what's not and the > various pitfalls to avoid. I was wondering if anyone could recommend a > place to start with this sort of thing. Are there companies out there > that support Linux/Ubuntu in schools/enterprises? Where do we start? > Kind regards, > Mark Osborne Hi Mark. Have you thought of posting your question to the NZLug list? It's a big enough project to warrant more eyes. I'll cross post it now actually... Kind regards... Clark From steven at openmedia.co.nz Thu Aug 14 12:28:06 2008 From: steven at openmedia.co.nz (Steven Ellis) Date: Thu Aug 14 12:28:25 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <1218534810.6246.57.camel@mkw-kubuntu-804> References: <1218532748.6246.36.camel@mkw-kubuntu-804> <1218534810.6246.57.camel@mkw-kubuntu-804> Message-ID: On 12/08/2008, at 9:53 PM, Alex Williams wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Appologies for the length of this, my first post in the list so to > speak. > > If there are two things I'm fed up to the back teeth of it's Linux > Elitists and Mac OSX Worshippers. "Ubuntu users are newbs who have no > idea what Linux is all about" - Who cares for crying out loud they're > using Linux and loving it! "Mac OSX has the absolute best UI, it's the > most intuitive, easy to use and pleasnt to look at" - WHAT? Am I > looking > at a different Mac OSX to these people? > > [some considerable sniping] Hmm.. Sadly Linux for the most part still isn't granny proof. If I put my parents in front of any of the major Linux distributions they would panic and freak out. On the other hand they could probably switch to Mac OS X in a couple of hours. The area Linux can differentiate and win at the moment are solutions like the eeePC where you present a reduced environment suited for particular tasks. If I loaded the ubuntu netbook remix rather than a Kubuntu or Ubuntu desktop a lot of non technical users would find it a lot easier. I've just come back from Linux World and OSCON which are both quit different events from Linux.conf.au At OSCON probably about 60% of attendees had Macs of some form, and almost all were running OS X. A lot of open source developers have switched to the Mac as their primary platform as it reduces the things they need to worry about. At Linux World there were also a lot of Macs, but also a lot of corporate suits with Windows Laptops. In any session you would usually see a lot more Windows desktops than Linux. I still think we have a long way to go before desktop Linux is truly ready for the typical non technical consumer. Steve Steven Ellis - Technical Director OpenMedia Limited email - steven@openmedia.co.nz website - http://www.openmedia.co.nz From stuart at learning.ac.nz Thu Aug 14 14:37:26 2008 From: stuart at learning.ac.nz (Stuart Mealor) Date: Thu Aug 14 14:37:36 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Enterprise Linux support In-Reply-To: <200808140000.BCP15902@imr2.mail.isx.net.nz> References: <200808140000.BCP15902@imr2.mail.isx.net.nz> Message-ID: Hi Mark We know each other via Moodle of course - good to see you in this group :-) Although we don't provide complex technical support for linux, we can provide onsite staff development in FOSS - based on Ubuntu desktop, Open Office, GIMP, Audacity, eXe, etc. We are the only organisation in Asia-Pacific authorised by ICDL to deliver International Computer Driving Licence in elearning format (via Moodle of course) and will be launching 'Open ICDL' in 2009 - an ICDL curriculum based completely on Ubuntu and FOSS. This might fit well with your wider linux strategy? Stuart Stuart Mealor Managing Director HRD stuart@learning.ac.nz www.hrdnz.com Moodle Partner Moodle Certification Manager http://moodle.org SkypeIn +64 9 8890774 From alex at mkw-it.com Thu Aug 14 17:49:11 2008 From: alex at mkw-it.com (Alex Williams) Date: Thu Aug 14 17:49:16 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <1218672218.8749.0.camel@mkw-kubuntu-804> References: <1218672218.8749.0.camel@mkw-kubuntu-804> Message-ID: <1218692951.8749.5.camel@mkw-kubuntu-804> I run a company that specialises in Linux above Windows. Although we will support Windows machines we're very much about pushing the use of Linux to institutions and organisations that don't currently use it. Our main aim is to find people like yourself who are interested in changing the operating systems that their organisation uses and guiding them through the migration. We offer ongoing support as well and in a completely different way to most other I.T. firms in NZ we offer it at a flat price contract, you pay at the start of the year and that's that. Feel free to drop me an email to discuss further. - alex@mkw-it.com -----Original Message----- From: aucklug-request@linux.net.nz Reply-To: aucklug@linux.net.nz To: aucklug@linux.net.nz Subject: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 9 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:00:06 +1200 Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to aucklug@linux.net.nz To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aucklug-request@linux.net.nz You can reach the person managing the list at aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Enterprise Linux support (Mark Osborne) 2. Re: Enterprise Linux support (Andy Linux) 3. RE: Enterprise Linux support (Che Raymond) 4. Re: Enterprise Linux support (Michael) 5. Re: Enterprise Linux support (Graham Lauder) 6. Re: Enterprise Linux support (Clark Mills) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:19:28 +1200 From: Mark Osborne Subject: [AuckLUG] Enterprise Linux support To: aucklug@linux.net.nz Message-ID: <48A260D0.60004@ashs.school.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I'm a Deputy Principal at a senior high school in Auckland and we're wanting to use Linux as our main OS throughout the school (staff laptops, student desktops etc.) but we're reaching a point where we need some specialist advice about what's possible and what's not and the various pitfalls to avoid. I was wondering if anyone could recommend a place to start with this sort of thing. Are there companies out there that support Linux/Ubuntu in schools/enterprises? Where do we start? Kind regards, Mark Osborne ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:28:35 +1200 From: Andy Linux Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Enterprise Linux support To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Give me a call I can help Regards, Andy Linux Mobile: 0064 21 2840435 On 13/08/2008, at 16:19, Mark Osborne wrote: > I'm a Deputy Principal at a senior high school in Auckland and we're > wanting to use Linux as our main OS throughout the school (staff > laptops, student desktops etc.) but we're reaching a point where we > need some specialist advice about what's possible and what's not and > the various pitfalls to avoid. I was wondering if anyone could > recommend a place to start with this sort of thing. Are there > companies out there that support Linux/Ubuntu in schools/ > enterprises? Where do we start? > Kind regards, > Mark Osborne > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:40:35 +1200 From: "Che Raymond" Subject: RE: [AuckLUG] Enterprise Linux support To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've been working for different companies in Linux/Unix environment for couple years and now still working for a very big company in Auckland in Windows/Linux/Unix combined environment. I found that each OS would have their own advantages and disadvantages. Most companies are using the windows as their work stations, meanwhile the Linux/Unix as their backend servers. But it's not necessary the same for all others. As Ubuntu got lots stuff like open office built-in, it's matured enough to be a work station. Depends on what goal you are going to achieve and your budget. Normally the email server, file server, database server are the essential servers. As my experiences I would say Red Hat Enterprise version may be worth to go. Kind regards, Ray Che -----Original Message----- From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] On Behalf Of Mark Osborne Sent: Wednesday, 13 August 2008 4:19 p.m. To: aucklug@linux.net.nz Subject: [AuckLUG] Enterprise Linux support I'm a Deputy Principal at a senior high school in Auckland and we're wanting to use Linux as our main OS throughout the school (staff laptops, student desktops etc.) but we're reaching a point where we need some specialist advice about what's possible and what's not and the various pitfalls to avoid. I was wondering if anyone could recommend a place to start with this sort of thing. Are there companies out there that support Linux/Ubuntu in schools/enterprises? Where do we start? Kind regards, Mark Osborne _______________________________________________ AuckLUG mailing list AuckLUG@linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug *********************************************************** CAUTION: This email and files included in its transmission are solely intended for the use of the addressee(s) and may contain information that is confidential and privileged. If you receive this email in error, please advise us immediately and delete it without copying the contents contained within. Woolworths Limited (including its group of companies) do not accept liability for the views expressed within or the consequences of any computer viruses that may be transmitted with this email. The contents are also subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or transmitted without the written consent of the copyright owner. *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:55:21 +1200 From: Michael Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Enterprise Linux support To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" Message-ID: <35207fdf0808122355x1d8a0300kce8af61694bf332f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Mark, Check http://www.linuxservices.co.nz On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Mark Osborne wrote: > I'm a Deputy Principal at a senior high school in Auckland and we're wanting > to use Linux as our main OS throughout the school (staff laptops, student > desktops etc.) but we're reaching a point where we need some specialist > advice about what's possible and what's not and the various pitfalls to > avoid. I was wondering if anyone could recommend a place to start with this > sort of thing. Are there companies out there that support Linux/Ubuntu in > schools/enterprises? Where do we start? > Kind regards, > Mark Osborne > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- -- Michael ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:24:48 +1200 From: Graham Lauder Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Enterprise Linux support To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list Message-ID: <1218662688.28122.42.camel@linux-rzf3.site> Content-Type: text/plain On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 16:19 +1200, Mark Osborne wrote: > I'm a Deputy Principal at a senior high school in Auckland and we're > wanting to use Linux as our main OS throughout the school (staff > laptops, student desktops etc.) but we're reaching a point where we need > some specialist advice about what's possible and what's not and the > various pitfalls to avoid. I was wondering if anyone could recommend a > place to start with this sort of thing. Are there companies out there > that support Linux/Ubuntu in schools/enterprises? Where do we start? > Kind regards, > Mark Osborne > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug Hi Mark, Your best bets at this point in time are: Novell SuSE Linux Enterprise aka SLED 10,(Because Novell has a deal signed with the MinEdu and they have extensive history with schools through NetWare), Red Hat Enterprise (because it has a high user level in the secondary school space in the back end) Both do a really good thin client solution and both have enterprise level support locally My company specialises in Desktop migration and training and we can provide Professional Development training in Desktop applications on the Linux Desktop for staff onsite or at our own facilities. We provide training in OpenOffice.org, The GIMP, Inkscape and Audacity. We are also the New Zealand administering Authority for INGOTs (http://www.theingots.org) (International Grades: Open Technologies) Feel free to give me a ring. Yours Graham Lauder From stuart at learning.ac.nz Thu Aug 14 17:51:22 2008 From: stuart at learning.ac.nz (Stuart Mealor) Date: Thu Aug 14 17:51:31 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Formatting drives follow-up Message-ID: Thanks to some posts here :-) I have managed to get past my original error below: Now, when booting I'm getting this error: fsck died with exit status 8 ...fail! * File system check failed. A log is being saved in var/log/fsck/checkfs is that location is writable. Please repair the file system manually. * A maintenance shell will now be started. CONTROL-D will terminate this shell and resume system boot. Give root password for maintenance (or type Control-D to continue): A combination of reformatting the drives and commenting out /etc/fstab entries seems to have resolved. However, I can now only see the drives as /media/sda1, /media/sdb1, and /media/sdd1 (sdc is my boot drive). I think these should actually be showing in /dev anyway - not /media ? How do I set them up to automatically mount in the correct place at boot? Any tips using Webmin or a GUI? TIA, Stuart From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 22:02:39 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 14 22:04:21 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <4372ea620808112001s1ec65ebbk524a0a17b7bf825@mail.gmail.com> References: <4372ea620808112001s1ec65ebbk524a0a17b7bf825@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Steve Withers wrote: > The linux on the ASUS eeePC is much closer to a turn-key system than > anything I've seen with Windows on it. :-) > > > -- > Steve Withers > sbwithers@gmail.com > +64-21-0267-3530 That was the point I was about to touch upon. In all honesty, with Linux coming as far as it has, I find it a lot easier to install than Windows. This isn't the barrier to the "mum and dad" market as the difference being that OS X and Windows are normally already installed on new computers. Likewise, Linux distros are doing much more than the competition have ever attempted. A multi-tasking OS run directly from a cd non-destructively and tries to fulfill all your driver needs and in most cases not needing to ask too many questions. Lets get serious here. Linux is abit like pizza. Sure you could make your own dough and cut up your own toppings etc. and have something you probably enjoy more... but it's just so easy to reach for the phone and get something pre-ordered delivered to the door. There's some stubbornness about using Free software. With my brother in law I brought him a computer but didn't buy an OS. I said to him that I'd put Linux on it for him. Instead he went out the next day and spent the $350-odd to buy a Windows Vista Home Edition Linux. It was exactly the same with Open Office and MS Office. I can't fully explain it except to say that there's an impression of control if you know the application/OS you're using. Imagine, I gave him Linux and Open Office. There would've been the weeks of miscellaneous phone calls asking me how to do something which he would've been able to achieve in Windows without me. The learning curve, although breached by most of us on this list, is still a barrier. Hell - it took me around 3 attempts before I finally felt comfortable with it and that ranged over around 2 or 3 years. Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 22:08:12 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 14 22:08:23 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: References: <1218532748.6246.36.camel@mkw-kubuntu-804> <1218534810.6246.57.camel@mkw-kubuntu-804> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Steven Ellis wrote: > > On 12/08/2008, at 9:53 PM, Alex Williams wrote: > >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Appologies for the length of this, my first post in the list so to >> speak. >> >> If there are two things I'm fed up to the back teeth of it's Linux >> Elitists and Mac OSX Worshippers. "Ubuntu users are newbs who have no >> idea what Linux is all about" - Who cares for crying out loud they're >> using Linux and loving it! "Mac OSX has the absolute best UI, it's the >> most intuitive, easy to use and pleasnt to look at" - WHAT? Am I looking >> at a different Mac OSX to these people? >> >> > > [some considerable sniping] > > Hmm.. Sadly Linux for the most part still isn't granny proof. If I put my > parents in front of any of the major Linux distributions they would panic > and freak out. On the other hand they could probably switch to Mac OS X in a > couple of hours. > > The area Linux can differentiate and win at the moment are solutions like > the eeePC where you present a reduced environment suited for particular > tasks. If I loaded the ubuntu netbook remix rather than a Kubuntu or Ubuntu > desktop a lot of non technical users would find it a lot easier. > > I've just come back from Linux World and OSCON which are both quit different > events from Linux.conf.au > > At OSCON probably about 60% of attendees had Macs of some form, and almost > all were running OS X. A lot of open source developers have switched to the > Mac as their primary platform as it reduces the things they need to worry > about. > > At Linux World there were also a lot of Macs, but also a lot of corporate > suits with Windows Laptops. In any session you would usually see a lot more > Windows desktops than Linux. > > I still think we have a long way to go before desktop Linux is truly ready > for the typical non technical consumer. > > Steve I've found the reduced environment idea a lot easier. If I can get a proper gauge of what a person wants to use their computer for, I find it a hell of a lot easier cateering that computer to their needs and reducing the number of calls I get. From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 22:19:02 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 14 22:19:11 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Formatting drives follow-up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Stuart Mealor wrote: > Thanks to some posts here :-) I have managed to get past my original error > below: > > Now, when booting I'm getting this error: > fsck died with exit status 8 > ...fail! > * File system check failed. > A log is being saved in var/log/fsck/checkfs is that location is > writable. > Please repair the file system manually. > * A maintenance shell will now be started. > CONTROL-D will terminate this shell and resume system boot. > Give root password for maintenance > (or type Control-D to continue): > > A combination of reformatting the drives and commenting out /etc/fstab > entries seems to have resolved. However, I can now only see the drives as > /media/sda1, /media/sdb1, and /media/sdd1 (sdc is my boot drive). > I think these should actually be showing in /dev anyway - not /media ? > How do I set them up to automatically mount in the correct place at boot? > Any tips using Webmin or a GUI? > TIA, Stuart Hi Stuart, Firstly, /media and /dev have two completely different purposes - lets not get them confused. /dev gives you "handles" to all of your devices. One of the great beauties of Unix based OSes is that everything, and by everything, I mean EVERYTHING is treated as a file. So /dev is just the place to find all of your devices. Still, you can't browse a hard drive using one of these handles. The system needs to be told how to treat the file first, thus it needs to be mounted. Enter /media and sometimes /mnt. These directories are used for mount points. So you mount devices from /dev under these directories. So the fact that you have /media/sda1 doesn't mean you aren't using /dev/sda1 - you most likely are unless something really odd is happening. To have a look at what is happening, type in: mount at a console and see what it says. It'll tell you what devices are mounted and to which mount points (directories essentially) and the type of file system. Regards, Nevyn. From davemc at mcpond.co.nz Fri Aug 15 09:51:48 2008 From: davemc at mcpond.co.nz (David McNeill) Date: Fri Aug 15 09:51:43 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Enterprise Linux support In-Reply-To: <20080814100838.CC8113326E7@arkos.interspeed.co.nz> References: <20080814100838.CC8113326E7@arkos.interspeed.co.nz> Message-ID: <48A4A8F4.4030001@mcpond.co.nz> > -----Original Message----- > From: aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz [mailto:aucklug-bounces@linux.net.nz] > On Behalf Of Mark Osborne > Sent: Wednesday, 13 August 2008 4:19 p.m. > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > Subject: [AuckLUG] Enterprise Linux support > > I'm a Deputy Principal at a senior high school in Auckland and we're > wanting to use Linux as our main OS throughout the school (staff > laptops, student desktops etc.) but we're reaching a point where we need > > some specialist advice about what's possible and what's not and the > various pitfalls to avoid. I was wondering if anyone could recommend a > place to start with this sort of thing. Are there companies out there > that support Linux/Ubuntu in schools/enterprises? Where do we start? > Kind regards, > Mark Osborne > > _______________ We have implemented this strategy for Te Hihi School in Karaka, Franklin. It is a primary school with role of 260, ten teachers. Features * Ubuntu based LTSP server for 20 class room desktops, spread 2 per class * Samba primary ldap authentication, file, email & print server * Asterisk telephony server * IPCop firewall & content filter * ZoneMinder surveillance server for cameras * Joomla content management * Moodle learning management * Trac ticket issue tracking Benefits * Easier administration. In that if it goes wrong, you can figure it out * Stable servers, good up time * Good performance - LTSP handles many users well * LTSP enables older machines to be reused as thin clients. Anything ATX is reuseable. Unplug the hard drive, CD ROM, floppy, install a boot rom into network card, and ready to go. Easy to swap out when they fail. * Easy to prevent students "rearranging" desktops, icons, settings, with permissions or scripts. * Everyone has access to an application once you enable it on LTSP * VOIP is a huge saving in cabling. You can have a phone anywhere. Gotchas * Install vmware before you need it. If hardware goes down and you can move the server image to vmware in the short term, your up time is better, your down time grief less. * Focus all your authentication on LDAP, and make everything talk to it. Otherwise you get user account proliferation for the various applications. * Many apps can be made to work in Wine, you just have to spend the time to figure it out. * Newer versions of Ubuntu are much, much easier than older. So many users means so many bug fixes. So many bugs that make life hard. * Go easy on wireless, it's starting to be banned in schools in Europe. Length of time in years is the key risk factor with EMF / RF exposure. Pitfalls * Teachers do not switch easily to Ubuntu. Especially older ones. Teacher laptops remain on Windows. At least they run firefox, thunderbird & open office. * Local sound on LTSP is a challenge * Linux educational offerings like gCompris & Childsplay are good, as far as they go. There simply isn't a good Linux offering of basic learn to read, learn maths, learn spelling. We are currently implementing a Windows Terminal Server to get access to the very wide range of educational software available on windows. Frequenty Ministry of Ed offerings are Windows or Mac only. * Once dependent on Asterisk, you have to work on it to a high standard, because if the phones go down all hell lets loose very quickly. * None of the free voip softphones (Ekiga etc) are sufficient for office staff. Buy one. we use Zoiper. * Lack of groupware is an issue. email - calendar - contacts all in one place, all integrated. No Linux solution provides a complete answer. Zimbra is ok, but forces a complete change to web based. Other solutions arent free (ie thousands), are complex, or need a lot of implementation. Currently we use Thunderbird, syncKolab (mmehh ... alpha quality) & google calendar. Not ideal. * ZoneMinder's compression isn't great, meaning it gobbles a lot of disk for the time. Currently we only get 2 weeks on 8 cameras on a terabyte of disk. It doesn't do sparse ageing well either. * Poor X implementation in a game can see a bouncing ball consume 90Mbit/sec bandwidth on XDMCP. At least the protocol can perform well! NX doesnt fair any better for the same fault. * Keep investing in training ("professional development" in teacher speak), Teachers need it to understand Linux Desktop, and help students to use it. They come with no built-in ability to adapt to Linux. You know those creative, left brain, people-networking sorts, they never make good geeks. * ICT is their acronym for technology, use it in preference to IT. -- David McNeill davemc@mcpond.co.nz McPond Software Open Source Support and Development www.mcpond.co.nz From ronaldj at orcon.net.nz Fri Aug 15 11:40:58 2008 From: ronaldj at orcon.net.nz (Ron Johns) Date: Fri Aug 15 11:42:57 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] New Laptop >uk ? Message-ID: <48A4C28A.2090700@orcon.net.nz> Hi all, Sorry if this is a bit O/T but does anyone have any info on buying a laptop in the uk with Linux pre installed. I now they will have for sure but I want to reasure a not too computer savy friend before she sets off. Many regards Ron From freakalad at hotmail.com Fri Aug 15 12:41:14 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Fri Aug 15 12:41:45 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dell has starting to ship (or has now for a while in some regions) machines with an option to load linux (Ubuntu) on. The Asus eeePC is a pretty good machine too. As for groupware; take a look at sugarCRM _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces ? your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. http://get.live.com/spaces/overview From jwrgorman at gmail.com Sun Aug 17 13:37:24 2008 From: jwrgorman at gmail.com (John W. Gorman) Date: Sun Aug 17 13:37:29 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] solarnetwork.net Message-ID: Hi, anyone who's interested in DIY solar power and open-source, there's a project I've started called: http://www.solarnetwork.net/ thanks, John From freakalad at hotmail.com Tue Aug 19 11:07:44 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Aug 19 11:07:50 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If renewable resources is your thing, also look into EarthShips (lotsa google references) > From: aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > Subject: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 13 > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:00:05 +1200 > > Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to > aucklug@linux.net.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. solarnetwork.net (John W. Gorman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:37:24 +1200 > From: "John W. Gorman" > Subject: [AuckLUG] solarnetwork.net > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi, > anyone who's interested in DIY solar power and open-source, there's a > project I've started called: > > http://www.solarnetwork.net/ > > thanks, John > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 13 > *************************************** _________________________________________________________________ It?s time to join the family - Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services now! http://get.live.com/ From terry.donovan at clear.net.nz Tue Aug 19 11:21:07 2008 From: terry.donovan at clear.net.nz (terry donovan) Date: Tue Aug 19 11:21:46 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] linux-XPpro Message-ID: <48AA03E3.7050705@clear.net.nz> I have an older pentium (about 5 years ) with a 12 gig hard drive. It is dedicated to UBUNTU 7.01. I wish to add UBUNTU to my main 80 gig Asus which has XP-pro on board. Please advise on how i can do this. I am a real Green in Linux so far. Can you please advise process. Kind regards Terry Donovan From freakalad at hotmail.com Tue Aug 19 12:36:48 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Aug 19 12:36:52 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Terry , Ubuntu's a good choice! Very easy to install & use. Very forgiving. There is also an EXCELLENT user forum @ ubuntuforums.org . I use this resource for other distro's besides Ubuntu. Also be aware that there are different 'flavours' of Ubuntu to suit your needs: EduBuntu for educational, Kbuntu for the KDE desktop (very flashy, but I'm not big on that; too resource hungry), and a few others As for you XP machine; you can run Ubuntu off a 'live' CD or USB on the same system without touching the existing installation. Like a "try before you buy", but the cost is $0 (unless you count donations) The live disk is a full system, not crippleware, and comes with a full OpenOffice & other tools. Many MANY more available for FREE if you have a net connection. But before committing, PLEASE back up first. You can set up multi-boot systems, and this is a worthy exercise in it's own right, but I would advise you to do a bit of homework first, before committing to a new system. ubuntuforums... SuSE's pretty too ;) But your spec should be ample. More memory is always welcome. I've also "been told" that there are regular install-fests, but I personally have trouble pinning down the meets (hint-hint; somebody please point me in the right direction, or just tell me) Well, Terry, happy hunting... _________________________________________________________________ It?s time to join the family - Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services now! http://get.live.com/ From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Aug 19 12:57:54 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Aug 19 12:58:11 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] linux-XPpro In-Reply-To: <48AA03E3.7050705@clear.net.nz> References: <48AA03E3.7050705@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <40347.119.15.0.26.1219107474.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> > I have an older pentium (about 5 years ) with a 12 gig hard drive. It is > dedicated to UBUNTU 7.01. > I wish to add UBUNTU to my main 80 gig Asus which has XP-pro on board. > Please advise on how i can do this. I am a real Green in Linux so far. > Can you please advise process. > Kind regards Terry Donovan > Terry Notwithstanding other responses, the distro you use should also be geared toward the spec of your system. How old is your laptop, how much ram does it have? Ubuntu is indeed likely to be the easiest choice (i had some success with it on my Asus) but if a few years old, I wouldnt necessarily recommend the latest and greatest distro... one slightly older, with appropriate updates added, may perform better. Also check out Xubuntu if that's the case. But how old is your system? Mark. From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 12:58:40 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Aug 19 12:58:46 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] linux-XPpro In-Reply-To: <48AA03E3.7050705@clear.net.nz> References: <48AA03E3.7050705@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: Hi Terry, Detail detail detail.... Do you wish to keep your installation of Windows XP? In which case, do you have adequate free space? Are we talking about two different computers here? One with a 12 gig drive and another with an 80 gig drive? Regards, Nevyn. On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:21 AM, terry donovan wrote: > I have an older pentium (about 5 years ) with a 12 gig hard drive. It is > dedicated to UBUNTU 7.01. > I wish to add UBUNTU to my main 80 gig Asus which has XP-pro on board. > Please advise on how i can do this. I am a real Green in Linux so far. Can > you please advise process. > Kind regards Terry Donovan > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From alex at mkw-it.com Tue Aug 19 15:38:26 2008 From: alex at mkw-it.com (alex@mkw-it.com) Date: Tue Aug 19 15:38:32 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] linux-XPpro Message-ID: <3515.60.234.206.1.1219117106.squirrel@www.mkw-it.com> Just download the latest Ubuntu Install CD (8.04 current stable version, Hardy Heron) and run it, when the installer gets to the partitioning of hard drives you'll have an option which says something a long the lines of "Guided - Re-size disk - (Your disk i.e. sda) and install in re-sized partition". You'll find it relatively straight forward and obvious that it's found the Windows XP installation and it will simply re-size the drive and install in the newly created space. Once this is done and you reboot after installation you'll get a boot menu everytime you boot your machine up asking which OS you want to boot to, XP or Ubuntu. Hope this helps > Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to > aucklug@linux.net.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 13 (Jaco van der Merwe) > 2. linux-XPpro (terry donovan) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:07:44 +0200 > From: Jaco van der Merwe > Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 13 > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > > If renewable resources is your thing, also look into EarthShips (lotsa > google references) > >> From: aucklug-request@linux.net.nz >> Subject: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 13 >> To: aucklug@linux.net.nz >> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:00:05 +1200 >> >> Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to >> aucklug@linux.net.nz >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> aucklug-request@linux.net.nz >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. solarnetwork.net (John W. Gorman) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:37:24 +1200 >> From: "John W. Gorman" >> Subject: [AuckLUG] solarnetwork.net >> To: aucklug@linux.net.nz >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Hi, >> anyone who's interested in DIY solar power and open-source, there's a >> project I've started called: >> >> http://www.solarnetwork.net/ >> >> thanks, John >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> >> End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 13 >> *************************************** > > _________________________________________________________________ > It?s time to join the family - Get the next generation of Free Windows > Live Services now! > http://get.live.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:21:07 +1200 > From: terry donovan > Subject: [AuckLUG] linux-XPpro > To: AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > Message-ID: <48AA03E3.7050705@clear.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I have an older pentium (about 5 years ) with a 12 gig hard drive. It is > dedicated to UBUNTU 7.01. > I wish to add UBUNTU to my main 80 gig Asus which has XP-pro on board. > Please advise on how i can do this. I am a real Green in Linux so far. > Can you please advise process. > Kind regards Terry Donovan > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 14 > *************************************** > From terry.donovan at clear.net.nz Tue Aug 19 15:56:25 2008 From: terry.donovan at clear.net.nz (terry donovan) Date: Tue Aug 19 15:56:32 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] linux-XPpro In-Reply-To: References: <48AA03E3.7050705@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <48AA4469.1040305@clear.net.nz> Nevyn wrote: > Hi Terry, > > Detail detail detail.... Do you wish to keep your installation of > Windows XP? In which case, do you have adequate free space? Are we > talking about two different computers here? One with a 12 gig drive > and another with an 80 gig drive? > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:21 AM, terry donovan > wrote: >> I have an older pentium (about 5 years ) with a 12 gig hard drive. It is >> dedicated to UBUNTU 7.01. >> I wish to add UBUNTU to my main 80 gig Asus which has XP-pro on board. >> Please advise on how i can do this. I am a real Green in Linux so far. Can >> you please advise process. >> Kind regards Terry Donovan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug Thanks for the reply Nevin. My older unit is a flat desktop Already dedicated to UBUNTU. My Asus is only one year old upright machine this one has the 80 gig drive. My older unit is now getting low on space; and that is why i wish to use The newer machine. I can dedicate up to 35 gig to Ubuntu on this one. This asus machine has 1028 of ram. I have programmes on the XP that cannot be substituted on Linux so far. Regards Terry From terry.donovan at clear.net.nz Tue Aug 19 16:01:44 2008 From: terry.donovan at clear.net.nz (terry donovan) Date: Tue Aug 19 16:01:52 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] linux-XPpro In-Reply-To: <40347.119.15.0.26.1219107474.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> References: <48AA03E3.7050705@clear.net.nz> <40347.119.15.0.26.1219107474.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Message-ID: <48AA45A8.5010804@clear.net.nz> Mark Foster wrote: >> I have an older pentium (about 5 years ) with a 12 gig hard drive. It is >> dedicated to UBUNTU 7.01. >> I wish to add UBUNTU to my main 80 gig Asus which has XP-pro on board. >> Please advise on how i can do this. I am a real Green in Linux so far. >> Can you please advise process. >> Kind regards Terry Donovan > Terry > Notwithstanding other responses, the distro you use should also be geared > toward the spec of your system. How old is your laptop, how much ram does > it have? > Ubuntu is indeed likely to be the easiest choice (i had some success with > it on my Asus) but if a few years old, I wouldnt necessarily recommend the > latest and greatest distro... one slightly older, with appropriate updates > added, may perform better. Also check out Xubuntu if that's the case. > > But how old is your system? > Mark. Thanks for the reply Mark. I just have the older machine to date with Linux and wish to use the better facilities on my one year old Asus with 1028 ram and lots of space. I need to try to Dualboot both as some of my XP programmes cannot be duplicated on Linux to date although that may change. I can put up to 35 gig on any linux partition setup Regards Terry ______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From terry.donovan at clear.net.nz Tue Aug 19 16:10:14 2008 From: terry.donovan at clear.net.nz (terry donovan) Date: Tue Aug 19 16:10:37 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48AA47A6.9030003@clear.net.nz> Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Hey Terry , > > Ubuntu's a good choice! > Very easy to install & use. Very forgiving. > > There is also an EXCELLENT user forum @ ubuntuforums.org . I use this resource for other distro's besides Ubuntu. > Also be aware that there are different 'flavours' of Ubuntu to suit your needs: EduBuntu for educational, Kbuntu for the KDE desktop (very flashy, but I'm not big on that; too resource hungry), and a few others > > As for you XP machine; you can run Ubuntu off a 'live' CD or USB on the same system without touching the existing installation. > Like a "try before you buy", but the cost is $0 (unless you count donations) > The live disk is a full system, not crippleware, and comes with a full OpenOffice & other tools. Many MANY more available for FREE if you have a net connection. > > But before committing, PLEASE back up first. > > You can set up multi-boot systems, and this is a worthy exercise in it's own right, but I would advise you to do a bit of homework first, before committing to a new system. ubuntuforums... > SuSE's pretty too ;) > > But your spec should be ample. More memory is always welcome. > > I've also "been told" that there are regular install-fests, but I personally have trouble pinning down the meets (hint-hint; somebody please point me in the right direction, or just tell me) > > Well, Terry, happy hunting... > > _________________________________________________________________ > It?s time to join the family - Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services now! > http://get.live.com/_______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug Thanks Jaco for your time. I have been playing with the UBUNTU programme for about 6 months now. That is on the older machine with only 12gig drive and 512k rom.The machine is limited. My Asus has 1028k rom and 80 gig hard drive. With a dualboot and up to 35gig space on the hard drive my Linux can run freely and with lots of room. I have looked up some user groups but I will need to learn a lot more about the basics before i ever catch up to people such as yourself. I have a fantastic book all about the starting days (parallel to Bill Gates early days)Of the concepts and progress and who with over this time. I admire those pioneers who made this happen life was not always easy for them. I suppose there is a good book somewhere for us Greenies to purchase without killing the budget altogether.. Regards Terry From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Aug 19 16:25:55 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Aug 19 16:26:12 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] linux-XPpro In-Reply-To: <48AA45A8.5010804@clear.net.nz> References: <48AA03E3.7050705@clear.net.nz> <40347.119.15.0.26.1219107474.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <48AA45A8.5010804@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <17702.119.15.0.26.1219119955.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> > Mark Foster wrote: >>> I have an older pentium (about 5 years ) with a 12 gig hard drive. It >>> is >>> dedicated to UBUNTU 7.01. >>> I wish to add UBUNTU to my main 80 gig Asus which has XP-pro on board. >>> Please advise on how i can do this. I am a real Green in Linux so far. >>> Can you please advise process. >>> Kind regards Terry Donovan > >> Terry >> Notwithstanding other responses, the distro you use should also be >> geared >> toward the spec of your system. How old is your laptop, how much ram >> does >> it have? >> Ubuntu is indeed likely to be the easiest choice (i had some success >> with >> it on my Asus) but if a few years old, I wouldnt necessarily recommend >> the >> latest and greatest distro... one slightly older, with appropriate >> updates >> added, may perform better. Also check out Xubuntu if that's the case. >> >> But how old is your system? >> Mark. > Thanks for the reply Mark. > I just have the older machine to date with Linux and wish to use the > better facilities on my one year old Asus with 1028 ram and lots of > space. I need to try to Dualboot both as some of my XP programmes cannot > be duplicated on Linux to date although that may change. I can put up to > 35 gig on any linux partition setup > Regards Terry Ok Terry. At that spec you have plenty of grunt to run the latest Ubuntu - but I echo the suggestion around trying the LiveCD first. Beyond that for a dual-boot configuration you will need to adjust your windows partition downwards to make up some disc space, and then install Ubuntu in the newly vacated space. Alternatively wipe the disk and partition it from the getgo (can be entertaining using windows based system-restore discs, though.) I for one still don't like making changes to existing partitions on the fly, however... definately make adequate backups first... ! Mark. From agschofield at ihug.co.nz Tue Aug 19 16:52:57 2008 From: agschofield at ihug.co.nz (Alan Schofield) Date: Tue Aug 19 16:53:07 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] linux-XPpro References: <48AA03E3.7050705@clear.net.nz><40347.119.15.0.26.1219107474.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> <48AA45A8.5010804@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <000c01c901b7$73362120$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> Hi Terry, I have recently used that Ubuntu CD on my machine with windows on it. I even partitioned my drive and installed it from the CD. However; I had to go back to windows because I couldn't figure out how to configure my email. the problem was that there was no place to insert my password so my ISP would allow me on. The firefox worked instantly but I suppose the info was contained in my ADSL modem. Is the problem I am having that I should be connecting to a Linux server ? Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "terry donovan" To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] linux-XPpro > Mark Foster wrote: >>> I have an older pentium (about 5 years ) with a 12 gig hard drive. It is >>> dedicated to UBUNTU 7.01. >>> I wish to add UBUNTU to my main 80 gig Asus which has XP-pro on board. >>> Please advise on how i can do this. I am a real Green in Linux so far. >>> Can you please advise process. >>> Kind regards Terry Donovan > >> Terry >> Notwithstanding other responses, the distro you use should also be geared >> toward the spec of your system. How old is your laptop, how much ram does >> it have? >> Ubuntu is indeed likely to be the easiest choice (i had some success with >> it on my Asus) but if a few years old, I wouldnt necessarily recommend >> the >> latest and greatest distro... one slightly older, with appropriate >> updates >> added, may perform better. Also check out Xubuntu if that's the case. >> >> But how old is your system? >> Mark. > Thanks for the reply Mark. > I just have the older machine to date with Linux and wish to use the > better facilities on my one year old Asus with 1028 ram and lots of space. > I need to try to Dualboot both as some of my XP programmes cannot > be duplicated on Linux to date although that may change. I can put up to > 35 gig on any linux partition setup > Regards Terry > ______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From agschofield at ihug.co.nz Tue Aug 19 17:15:21 2008 From: agschofield at ihug.co.nz (Alan Schofield) Date: Tue Aug 19 17:15:26 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email Message-ID: <001701c901ba$9458eb50$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> This is my first try at using Linux (and it almost worked) I have recently used the Ubuntu CD on my laptop that runs Windows XP. I even partitioned my drive and installed it from the CD. However; I had to go back to Windows because I couldn't figure out how to configure my email. the problem was that there was no place to insert my password so my ISP would allow me on. The firefox worked instantly but I suppose that info was contained in my ADSL modem. Is the problem I am having that I should be connecting to a Linux server ? From kiirani at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 17:23:25 2008 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Tue Aug 19 17:23:29 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email In-Reply-To: <001701c901ba$9458eb50$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> References: <001701c901ba$9458eb50$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> Message-ID: <2494ad260808182223v6be09bc5n7110e25009ff742@mail.gmail.com> > I have recently used the Ubuntu CD on my laptop that runs Windows XP. I > even partitioned my drive and installed it from the CD. However; I had to > go back to Windows because I couldn't figure out how to configure my email. > the problem was that there was no place to insert my password so my ISP > would allow me on. Okay, I assume you're using the email address that your ISP provides you with your internet service, then. Firstly, what client are you using on ubuntu? I'm not an ubuntu user and am not familiar with what software it comes with by default, but you'll find on linux in general there are numerous alternatives. If you could look under help -> about in your email client and provide the name it should give, as well as all the steps you've taken to configure it, that would help us work out what your problem is. > Is the problem I am having that I should be connecting to a Linux server ? No, this should never be the case, and your ISP's mailserver is probably running some kind of *nix anyway. From yorick_ at openoffice.org Tue Aug 19 17:00:56 2008 From: yorick_ at openoffice.org (Graham lauder) Date: Tue Aug 19 17:30:45 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email In-Reply-To: <001701c901ba$9458eb50$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> References: <001701c901ba$9458eb50$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> Message-ID: <1219122056.10268.47.camel@linux-rzf3.site> On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 17:15 +1200, Alan Schofield wrote: > This is my first try at using Linux (and it almost worked) > > I have recently used the Ubuntu CD on my laptop that runs Windows XP. I > even partitioned my drive and installed it from the CD. However; I had to > go back to Windows because I couldn't figure out how to configure my email. > the problem was that there was no place to insert my password so my ISP > would allow me on. The firefox worked instantly but I suppose that info was > contained in my ADSL modem. > > Is the problem I am having that I should be connecting to a Linux server ? In Evolution during first setup it simply asks you if your mail server requires authentication. You're right there is no place to put it. However if you tell it to "Get Mail" it will ask for your password then and if you want to save it. cheers GL > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Certification and Desktop Linux training http://www.openopportunities.co.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Aug 19 17:35:44 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Aug 19 17:36:00 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email In-Reply-To: <001701c901ba$9458eb50$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> References: <001701c901ba$9458eb50$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> Message-ID: <27260.119.15.0.26.1219124144.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> > This is my first try at using Linux (and it almost worked) > > I have recently used the Ubuntu CD on my laptop that runs Windows XP. I > even partitioned my drive and installed it from the CD. However; I had to > go back to Windows because I couldn't figure out how to configure my > email. > the problem was that there was no place to insert my password so my ISP > would allow me on. The firefox worked instantly but I suppose that info > was > contained in my ADSL modem. > > Is the problem I am having that I should be connecting to a Linux server ? > Alan A new angle for you to consider. Internet Access is Internet Access, regardless of the Operating System you run. Web browsers work the same. So does email. Theyre both different Internet based systems that use a combination of ports, protocols and such-like to 'work'. They just have different sets of prerequisites in terms of configuration items required to make them work. The problem with your email is going to be related to the way you have configured your email software - has nothing to do with the fact you're in Linux. Your ISP will provide for you certain key bits of information when they set you up with an email account. These include: - POP3 Server - SMTP server - Username - Password - Email Address. They may further advise details of any additional features offered (like SSL encryption for email transactions, or SMTP-Authentication) but fundamentally the above is going to be true regardless of your ISP - and regardless of your Operating system. So in either platform (windows or linux), you're going to be opening your email software of choice, going into the options/preferences/account settings, setting up a mail account with the information as supplied by your ISP. The only variations in the 'how' are determined by the program - not the OS. (If you were to, for example, use Mozilla Thunderbird as your mail software of choice in both Windows and Linux you will find that generally, they are laid out the same and configured the same.) Usually if you can't store your password somewhere during the setup phase, it will ask you for it the first time you attempt to 'Get' or 'Check' for email. (Often with a tickbox asking if you wish to save your password.) In comparison, Firefox (your web browser) needs none of the above information. It just needs to find your Internet Connection. Thats why it worked straight up. So fundamentally the problem was that you had trouble setting up your email client. On it's own I hope that was not enough to force you to change OS's! Did you try reading the help dialogues or doing a web search for information on how to configure the package? What email program are you trying to use? What error messages were you presented with, if any? Did you try calling your ISP helpdesk? (and did they push you away when you admitted not running Windows? (mainly for interests sake...)) Cheers Mark. From agschofield at ihug.co.nz Tue Aug 19 17:39:39 2008 From: agschofield at ihug.co.nz (Alan Schofield) Date: Tue Aug 19 17:39:46 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email References: <001701c901ba$9458eb50$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> <1219122056.10268.47.camel@linux-rzf3.site> Message-ID: <002001c901bd$f96c4980$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> Thanks Graham, For the surprisingly speedy reply. It sounds like it might do the trick. I won't know until I search through my CDs again and reinstall it but I am optimistic enough about your solution to try it. AL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham lauder" To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email > On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 17:15 +1200, Alan Schofield wrote: >> This is my first try at using Linux (and it almost worked) >> >> I have recently used the Ubuntu CD on my laptop that runs Windows XP. >> I >> even partitioned my drive and installed it from the CD. However; I had >> to >> go back to Windows because I couldn't figure out how to configure my >> email. >> the problem was that there was no place to insert my password so my ISP >> would allow me on. The firefox worked instantly but I suppose that info >> was >> contained in my ADSL modem. >> >> Is the problem I am having that I should be connecting to a Linux server >> ? > > In Evolution during first setup it simply asks you if your mail server > requires authentication. You're right there is no place to put it. > However if you tell it to "Get Mail" it will ask for your password then > and if you want to save it. > > cheers > GL > > >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- > Graham Lauder, > OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ > http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html > > INGOTs Certification and Desktop Linux training > http://www.openopportunities.co.nz > > GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR > Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate > www.ooogear.co.nz > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From kiirani at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 17:41:26 2008 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Tue Aug 19 17:41:32 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email In-Reply-To: <002001c901bd$f96c4980$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> References: <001701c901ba$9458eb50$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> <1219122056.10268.47.camel@linux-rzf3.site> <002001c901bd$f96c4980$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> Message-ID: <2494ad260808182241u36501d82v852d88c27caaedea@mail.gmail.com> You uninstalled an ENTIRE OPERATING SYSTEM because you couldn't configure the email client? Did you even consider another email client? 2008/8/19 Alan Schofield : > Thanks Graham, > > For the surprisingly speedy reply. It sounds like it might do the trick. I > won't know until I search through my CDs again and reinstall it but I am > optimistic enough about your solution to try it. > > AL > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham lauder" > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:00 PM > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email > > >> On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 17:15 +1200, Alan Schofield wrote: >>> >>> This is my first try at using Linux (and it almost worked) >>> >>> I have recently used the Ubuntu CD on my laptop that runs Windows XP. I >>> even partitioned my drive and installed it from the CD. However; I had >>> to >>> go back to Windows because I couldn't figure out how to configure my >>> email. >>> the problem was that there was no place to insert my password so my ISP >>> would allow me on. The firefox worked instantly but I suppose that info >>> was >>> contained in my ADSL modem. >>> >>> Is the problem I am having that I should be connecting to a Linux server >>> ? >> >> In Evolution during first setup it simply asks you if your mail server >> requires authentication. You're right there is no place to put it. >> However if you tell it to "Get Mail" it will ask for your password then >> and if you want to save it. >> >> cheers >> GL >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> -- >> Graham Lauder, >> OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ >> http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html >> >> INGOTs Certification and Desktop Linux training >> http://www.openopportunities.co.nz >> >> GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR >> Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate >> www.ooogear.co.nz >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Aug 19 18:25:44 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Aug 19 18:25:58 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email In-Reply-To: <2494ad260808182241u36501d82v852d88c27caaedea@mail.gmail.com> References: <001701c901ba$9458eb50$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> <1219122056.10268.47.camel@linux-rzf3.site> <002001c901bd$f96c4980$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> <2494ad260808182241u36501d82v852d88c27caaedea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <33719.119.15.0.26.1219127144.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> > You uninstalled an ENTIRE OPERATING SYSTEM because you couldn't > configure the email client? > > Did you even consider another email client? > You're showing the frustration that I tried to cunningly veil as a slightly more constructive set of suggestions for someone who's obviously wading into this one a little blindly ;-) Perhaps a little empathy is called for instead. I certainly still remember the days of wading blindly around my first computer system with noone handy to turn to for support. When stuck, we roll back to what we know and are comfortable/familiar with. What we as a Linux-using-Community need to try to do is educate people that Linux is a choice of Operating system; it's a means to an end (and one which is arguably any or all of the following: cheaper, user-friendlier, ethically preferable, community friendly, efficient, pretty, smart, flexible, royalty-free, DRM-free, ...) - Once you make that jump and put together a few of the mental-leaps required for you to understand the way that Applications interact with their OS, things will suddenly get a whole bunch simpler. Remembering again that many end-users simply want it to work, and don't so much care about the how, this can make the big-picture something of a challenge.. even so... The end (in this case, email and web browsing) is fundamentally identical regardless of the platform of choice. Thus the troubleshooting methods adopted should be pretty much the same as they would've been under Windows... rather than a 'waving hands in the air' type approach. Kudos to Alan for trying, though. Next step is to hopefully impart some basic understanding of 'how stuff works'... Is AuckLUG looking at holding a 'workshop' type meeting night anytime soon?? hint hint... Mark. From kiirani at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 19:10:01 2008 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Tue Aug 19 19:10:07 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email In-Reply-To: <33719.119.15.0.26.1219127144.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> References: <001701c901ba$9458eb50$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> <1219122056.10268.47.camel@linux-rzf3.site> <002001c901bd$f96c4980$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> <2494ad260808182241u36501d82v852d88c27caaedea@mail.gmail.com> <33719.119.15.0.26.1219127144.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> Message-ID: <2494ad260808190010m1d1039f6g8576dac350189eef@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/19 Mark Foster : >> You uninstalled an ENTIRE OPERATING SYSTEM because you couldn't >> configure the email client? >> >> Did you even consider another email client? >> > > You're showing the frustration that I tried to cunningly veil as a > slightly more constructive set of suggestions for someone who's obviously > wading into this one a little blindly ;-) Perhaps a little empathy is > called for instead. > [...] You're right and I apologise, I had somewhere assumed that he had dual booted and simply went back to using windows while waiting for this problem to be fixed. The realisation that the entire system was uninstalled shocked me. However I probably shouldn't react to that in an email reply. Whoops. From agschofield at ihug.co.nz Tue Aug 19 20:52:31 2008 From: agschofield at ihug.co.nz (Alan Schofield) Date: Tue Aug 19 20:52:40 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email References: <001701c901ba$9458eb50$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> <1219122056.10268.47.camel@linux-rzf3.site> Message-ID: <000a01c901d8$eabcdf60$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> Hi Graham, Well, here I am back in Windows again. Unfortunately your advice did not work. When I asked it to get mail it did not ask for a password . It simply said,"request rejected by server" Rejected naturally - - because there was no password. I looked through all the options and edited the email account but still found no way to enter a password. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham lauder" To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email > On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 17:15 +1200, Alan Schofield wrote: >> This is my first try at using Linux (and it almost worked) >> >> I have recently used the Ubuntu CD on my laptop that runs Windows XP. >> I >> even partitioned my drive and installed it from the CD. However; I had >> to >> go back to Windows because I couldn't figure out how to configure my >> email. >> the problem was that there was no place to insert my password so my ISP >> would allow me on. The firefox worked instantly but I suppose that info >> was >> contained in my ADSL modem. >> >> Is the problem I am having that I should be connecting to a Linux server >> ? > > In Evolution during first setup it simply asks you if your mail server > requires authentication. You're right there is no place to put it. > However if you tell it to "Get Mail" it will ask for your password then > and if you want to save it. > > cheers > GL > > >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- > Graham Lauder, > OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ > http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html > > INGOTs Certification and Desktop Linux training > http://www.openopportunities.co.nz > > GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR > Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate > www.ooogear.co.nz > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From kiirani at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 21:00:05 2008 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Tue Aug 19 21:00:09 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email In-Reply-To: <000a01c901d8$eabcdf60$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> References: <001701c901ba$9458eb50$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> <1219122056.10268.47.camel@linux-rzf3.site> <000a01c901d8$eabcdf60$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> Message-ID: <2494ad260808190200t60166112j8a1ec3086a905e00@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/19 Alan Schofield : > Hi Graham, > > Well, here I am back in Windows again. Unfortunately your advice did not > work. When I asked it to get mail it did not ask for a password . It > simply said,"request rejected by server" Rejected naturally - - because > there was no password. Did you recreate the account from scratch? From what was said before, it should have asked you if the server required authentication. If you didn't select that you may get the behaviour described. If you've checked that and it isn't the problem, somebody here will probably be happy to suggest and explain the installation & configuration of a different client. (I would do so myself but I use gmail's web interface) From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Aug 19 21:08:14 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Aug 19 21:08:20 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email In-Reply-To: <000a01c901d8$eabcdf60$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> References: <001701c901ba$9458eb50$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> <1219122056.10268.47.camel@linux-rzf3.site> <000a01c901d8$eabcdf60$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> Message-ID: Alan, did you read my earlier message on the subject? What you describe sounds like a simple configuration issue, something that your ISP helpdesk _might_ be able to help with or otherwise someone who could perhaps get a look at it over your shoulder, may be able to identify it quick smart. We still need to know however, what mail program you're using for starters. Mark. On Tue, 19 Aug 2008, Alan Schofield wrote: > Hi Graham, > > Well, here I am back in Windows again. Unfortunately your advice did not > work. When I asked it to get mail it did not ask for a password . It simply > said,"request rejected by server" Rejected naturally - - because there was > no password. > > I looked through all the options and edited the email account but still found > no way to enter a password. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham lauder" > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:00 PM > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email > > >> On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 17:15 +1200, Alan Schofield wrote: >>> This is my first try at using Linux (and it almost worked) >>> >>> I have recently used the Ubuntu CD on my laptop that runs Windows XP. I >>> even partitioned my drive and installed it from the CD. However; I had to >>> go back to Windows because I couldn't figure out how to configure my >>> email. >>> the problem was that there was no place to insert my password so my ISP >>> would allow me on. The firefox worked instantly but I suppose that info >>> was >>> contained in my ADSL modem. >>> >>> Is the problem I am having that I should be connecting to a Linux server ? >> >> In Evolution during first setup it simply asks you if your mail server >> requires authentication. You're right there is no place to put it. >> However if you tell it to "Get Mail" it will ask for your password then >> and if you want to save it. >> >> cheers >> GL >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> -- >> Graham Lauder, >> OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ >> http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html >> >> INGOTs Certification and Desktop Linux training >> http://www.openopportunities.co.nz >> >> GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR >> Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate >> www.ooogear.co.nz >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From agschofield at ihug.co.nz Tue Aug 19 21:08:37 2008 From: agschofield at ihug.co.nz (Alan Schofield) Date: Tue Aug 19 21:08:44 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email References: <001701c901ba$9458eb50$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b><1219122056.10268.47.camel@linux-rzf3.site><000a01c901d8$eabcdf60$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> <2494ad260808190200t60166112j8a1ec3086a905e00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003101c901db$2b1d5ce0$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> The CD I have been using is 7.01. I am currently downloading 8.04 to see if that works any better. Thanks for your offer of help. I will see how this goes first. AL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kennedy Skelton" To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email > 2008/8/19 Alan Schofield : >> Hi Graham, >> >> Well, here I am back in Windows again. Unfortunately your advice did not >> work. When I asked it to get mail it did not ask for a password . It >> simply said,"request rejected by server" Rejected naturally - - because >> there was no password. > > Did you recreate the account from scratch? From what was said before, > it should have asked you if the server required authentication. If you > didn't select that you may get the behaviour described. > > If you've checked that and it isn't the problem, somebody here will > probably be happy to suggest and explain the installation & > configuration of a different client. (I would do so myself but I use > gmail's web interface) > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From agschofield at ihug.co.nz Tue Aug 19 21:35:55 2008 From: agschofield at ihug.co.nz (Alan Schofield) Date: Tue Aug 19 21:36:03 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email References: <001701c901ba$9458eb50$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b><1219122056.10268.47.camel@linux-rzf3.site><000a01c901d8$eabcdf60$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> Message-ID: <003a01c901de$fbc52aa0$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> I am using evolution which seems to be the default in Ubuntu. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Foster" To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email > Alan, did you read my earlier message on the subject? > > What you describe sounds like a simple configuration issue, something that > your ISP helpdesk _might_ be able to help with or otherwise someone who > could perhaps get a look at it over your shoulder, may be able to identify > it quick smart. > > We still need to know however, what mail program you're using for > starters. > > Mark. > > > > On Tue, 19 Aug 2008, Alan Schofield wrote: > >> Hi Graham, >> >> Well, here I am back in Windows again. Unfortunately your advice did not >> work. When I asked it to get mail it did not ask for a password . It >> simply said,"request rejected by server" Rejected naturally - - because >> there was no password. >> >> I looked through all the options and edited the email account but still >> found no way to enter a password. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham lauder" >> >> To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" >> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email >> >> >>> On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 17:15 +1200, Alan Schofield wrote: >>>> This is my first try at using Linux (and it almost worked) >>>> >>>> I have recently used the Ubuntu CD on my laptop that runs Windows XP. >>>> I >>>> even partitioned my drive and installed it from the CD. However; I had >>>> to >>>> go back to Windows because I couldn't figure out how to configure my >>>> email. >>>> the problem was that there was no place to insert my password so my ISP >>>> would allow me on. The firefox worked instantly but I suppose that >>>> info was >>>> contained in my ADSL modem. >>>> >>>> Is the problem I am having that I should be connecting to a Linux >>>> server ? >>> >>> In Evolution during first setup it simply asks you if your mail server >>> requires authentication. You're right there is no place to put it. >>> However if you tell it to "Get Mail" it will ask for your password then >>> and if you want to save it. >>> >>> cheers >>> GL >>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AuckLUG mailing list >>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> -- >>> Graham Lauder, >>> OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ >>> http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html >>> >>> INGOTs Certification and Desktop Linux training >>> http://www.openopportunities.co.nz >>> >>> GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR >>> Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate >>> www.ooogear.co.nz >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Aug 19 21:59:02 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Aug 19 21:59:07 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email In-Reply-To: <003a01c901de$fbc52aa0$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> References: <001701c901ba$9458eb50$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b><1219122056.10268.47.camel@linux-rzf3.site><000a01c901d8$eabcdf60$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> <003a01c901de$fbc52aa0$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> Message-ID: Have you checked out the following yet? http://www.easy-ubuntu-linux.com/email-configure-1.html On Tue, 19 Aug 2008, Alan Schofield wrote: > I am using evolution which seems to be the default in Ubuntu. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Foster" > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:08 PM > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email > > >> Alan, did you read my earlier message on the subject? >> >> What you describe sounds like a simple configuration issue, something that >> your ISP helpdesk _might_ be able to help with or otherwise someone who >> could perhaps get a look at it over your shoulder, may be able to identify >> it quick smart. >> >> We still need to know however, what mail program you're using for starters. >> >> Mark. >> >> >> >> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008, Alan Schofield wrote: >> >>> Hi Graham, >>> >>> Well, here I am back in Windows again. Unfortunately your advice did not >>> work. When I asked it to get mail it did not ask for a password . It >>> simply said,"request rejected by server" Rejected naturally - - because >>> there was no password. >>> >>> I looked through all the options and edited the email account but still >>> found no way to enter a password. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham lauder" >>> >>> To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:00 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email >>> >>> >>>> On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 17:15 +1200, Alan Schofield wrote: >>>>> This is my first try at using Linux (and it almost worked) >>>>> >>>>> I have recently used the Ubuntu CD on my laptop that runs Windows XP. I >>>>> even partitioned my drive and installed it from the CD. However; I had >>>>> to >>>>> go back to Windows because I couldn't figure out how to configure my >>>>> email. >>>>> the problem was that there was no place to insert my password so my ISP >>>>> would allow me on. The firefox worked instantly but I suppose that info >>>>> was >>>>> contained in my ADSL modem. >>>>> >>>>> Is the problem I am having that I should be connecting to a Linux server >>>>> ? >>>> >>>> In Evolution during first setup it simply asks you if your mail server >>>> requires authentication. You're right there is no place to put it. >>>> However if you tell it to "Get Mail" it will ask for your password then >>>> and if you want to save it. >>>> >>>> cheers >>>> GL >>>> >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AuckLUG mailing list >>>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>>> -- >>>> Graham Lauder, >>>> OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ >>>> http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html >>>> >>>> INGOTs Certification and Desktop Linux training >>>> http://www.openopportunities.co.nz >>>> >>>> GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR >>>> Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate >>>> www.ooogear.co.nz >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AuckLUG mailing list >>>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 22:23:20 2008 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (robin paulson) Date: Tue Aug 19 22:23:29 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] linux-XPpro In-Reply-To: <3515.60.234.206.1.1219117106.squirrel@www.mkw-it.com> References: <3515.60.234.206.1.1219117106.squirrel@www.mkw-it.com> Message-ID: <48AA9F18.6090803@gmail.com> alex@mkw-it.com wrote: > Just download the latest Ubuntu Install CD (8.04 current stable version, > Hardy Heron) and run it, when the installer gets to the partitioning of > hard drives you'll have an option which says something a long the lines of > "Guided - Re-size disk - (Your disk i.e. sda) and install in re-sized > partition". > > You'll find it relatively straight forward and obvious that it's found the > Windows XP installation and it will simply re-size the drive and install > in the newly created space. > > Once this is done and you reboot after installation you'll get a boot menu > everytime you boot your machine up asking which OS you want to boot to, XP > or Ubuntu. for another option, it's also possible to install ubuntu under a dual-boot system, without doing the partitioning. if you boot windows, then put in the install disk (i think only the newest verion, 8.04, will do this), it will allow you to install ubuntu 'within' windows it works very transparently, and on boot up, you get a standard bootloader, which asks whether you want windows or ubuntu to boot more info, and a far better explanation here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_(Ubuntu) i would advise this as the easiest way to get ubuntu and windows on one machine. partitioning windows ntfs drives is not that simple imo i tried it on a dell recently and it worked flawlessly From kiirani at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 22:37:58 2008 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Tue Aug 19 22:38:04 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] linux-XPpro In-Reply-To: <48AA9F18.6090803@gmail.com> References: <3515.60.234.206.1.1219117106.squirrel@www.mkw-it.com> <48AA9F18.6090803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2494ad260808190337t7322fd40sfa945fc264d7e4b3@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/19 robin paulson : > i would advise this as the easiest way to get ubuntu and windows on one > machine. partitioning windows ntfs drives is not that simple imo I've always found resizing windows partitions to be very straight-forward. I believe parted will do this for you using ntfsresize, and ntfsresize requires very little work. I've never had a problem with it. From john at ber.net.nz Tue Aug 19 22:39:25 2008 From: john at ber.net.nz (John @ BER Ltd) Date: Tue Aug 19 22:39:27 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux SME with AFFA backup- cant install Message-ID: <000001c901e7$d9cb9200$0202fea9@dad> Hi Having a problem trying to install a contrib AFFA on a Linux SME Server. Ran the commands on the Linux install instructions and keep getting the following "error getting repository data for smecontribs, repository not found". The following command is: /usr/bin/yum install --enablerepo=smecontribs smeserver-affa Can anyone help. Trying to run a clone backup server for Linux SME in case of hardware failure on my production server. 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Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- From songs at billkath.com Tue Aug 19 23:37:08 2008 From: songs at billkath.com (Bill and Kath Worsfold) Date: Tue Aug 19 23:37:12 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: email - try Thunderbird Message-ID: <2ba67c820808190437o7e89132ck88ea7522c20836c6@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I too would like to know if anyone is having installfests, or a "workshop" meeting to help newbies get to grips with Linux. Alan, please DO NOT GIVE UP! There is lots of help here on this list, and on the internet. To make it easier for newbies to follow the messages on here, it would be helpful if you guys didn't use jargon words like "client". It just confuses people who have less knowledge. It would be better just to use words like "program", etc. Alan, I would recommend that you use Mozilla Thunderbird for your email program. Just click where it says "System" at the top of your screen - then follow through to System>Administration>Synaptic Package Manager - enter your password when asked, and then put "thunderbird" into the search box. It will bring up a whole bunch of stuff - just check the box for mozilla-thunderbird and you will be able to install it. I think it is very similar to Outlook Express, which will be a help to you. I find it very good as an email program. You will then have to configure it with your details, of course. Start with this page: http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/ and see if you can get it set up. Then just ask questions on this list until you get it going. I'll tell you what could be a good move, too - phone your ISP and ask them if they have a Linux expert who could walk you through things. Mine does, and when I have problems, I always ask to speak to him. Cheers, Kath P.S. Regarding Kennedy's comments - I found her very helpful at the last installfest. Incredibly mature, considering she's 16 (perhaps a bit older by now). I can remember what a snotty nosed little know-it-all I was at that age, and I think she's pretty cool, actually ;o) - relates to all ages extremely well, I'd say. A good person to have around when dealing with Linux problems. **************************************************** Bill & Kath Worsfold - Kiwi Entertainers! www.billkath.co.nz (09)425-9538 **************************************************** From robin.paulson at gmail.com Wed Aug 20 08:34:52 2008 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Wed Aug 20 08:34:56 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] linux-XPpro In-Reply-To: <2494ad260808190337t7322fd40sfa945fc264d7e4b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <3515.60.234.206.1.1219117106.squirrel@www.mkw-it.com> <48AA9F18.6090803@gmail.com> <2494ad260808190337t7322fd40sfa945fc264d7e4b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770808191334qb3e9012hd7f53f73229bc8bd@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/19 Kennedy Skelton : > 2008/8/19 robin paulson : >> i would advise this as the easiest way to get ubuntu and windows on one >> machine. partitioning windows ntfs drives is not that simple imo > > I've always found resizing windows partitions to be very > straight-forward. I believe parted will do this for you using > ntfsresize, and ntfsresize requires very little work. I've never had a > problem with it. yes, i should have read the parent properly before i posted - although, to be honest i'm still a bit wary of using a non-microsoft implementation of the ntfs driver, and myself prefer to partition the drive beforehand with microsoft tools From yorick_ at openoffice.org Wed Aug 20 09:10:51 2008 From: yorick_ at openoffice.org (Graham lauder) Date: Wed Aug 20 09:40:39 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email In-Reply-To: <003101c901db$2b1d5ce0$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> References: <001701c901ba$9458eb50$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> <1219122056.10268.47.camel@linux-rzf3.site> <000a01c901d8$eabcdf60$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> <2494ad260808190200t60166112j8a1ec3086a905e00@mail.gmail.com> <003101c901db$2b1d5ce0$0301010a@al2ff71a31568b> Message-ID: <1219180251.28933.1.camel@linux-rzf3.site> Ack! Sorry this will probably turn up twice. Sent first time from the wrong mail account On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 21:08 +1200, Alan Schofield wrote: > The CD I have been using is 7.01. I am currently downloading 8.04 to see if > that works any better. Thanks for your offer of help. I will see how this > goes first. > > AL Getting 8.04 in itself is probably a good thing. The earlier Evolution could be a bit flaky, but yes Evolution is the default mail/Calendar/Diary programme for the Ubuntu (Gnome) Desktop and it is really good in it's present iteration. (I don't use Ubuntu or even Gnome. I use KDE on OpenSuSE 11.0, but I still use Evolution by preference.) Go to edit> preferences > Mail Accounts. Make sure you have an "enabled" account. Highlight your preferred account and click the "Edit" button on the right. The "Identity" tag contains information that identifies you in the mail that you send but doesn't affect your login. click the "Receiving Email" tag the "Server Type" field should say: POP the "Server" field should probably have: pop.ihug.co.nz - assuming you're using your isp mail account.(or pop3.ihug.co.nz. You can check in your outlook express settings to see what it is, they're the same.) (Interestingly I did a search of Vodafone's website to find the page that would provide all the stuff that Mark put in his mail! Nothing! Which just goes to show what happens when a good ISP gets taken over by a bunch of Cellphone salesmen!) Put in your username - agschofield by the looks of it Make sure that "Password" is selected as the "Authentication type" and check the "Remember Password" box if you don't want to put it in every time. Click OK and you should be in business for receiving emails Cheers GL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kennedy Skelton" > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:00 PM > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] New User not connecting to email > > > > 2008/8/19 Alan Schofield : > >> Hi Graham, > >> > >> Well, here I am back in Windows again. Unfortunately your advice did not > >> work. When I asked it to get mail it did not ask for a password . It > >> simply said,"request rejected by server" Rejected naturally - - because > >> there was no password. > > > > Did you recreate the account from scratch? From what was said before, > > it should have asked you if the server required authentication. If you > > didn't select that you may get the behaviour described. > > > > If you've checked that and it isn't the problem, somebody here will > > probably be happy to suggest and explain the installation & > > configuration of a different client. (I would do so myself but I use > > gmail's web interface) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug -- "The Best Things in life are 3" http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 20 13:21:39 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 20 13:21:43 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] linux-XPpro In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770808191334qb3e9012hd7f53f73229bc8bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <3515.60.234.206.1.1219117106.squirrel@www.mkw-it.com> <48AA9F18.6090803@gmail.com> <2494ad260808190337t7322fd40sfa945fc264d7e4b3@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770808191334qb3e9012hd7f53f73229bc8bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2008/8/19 Kennedy Skelton : >> 2008/8/19 robin paulson : >>> i would advise this as the easiest way to get ubuntu and windows on one >>> machine. partitioning windows ntfs drives is not that simple imo >> >> I've always found resizing windows partitions to be very >> straight-forward. I believe parted will do this for you using >> ntfsresize, and ntfsresize requires very little work. I've never had a >> problem with it. > > yes, i should have read the parent properly before i posted - > although, to be honest i'm still a bit wary of using a non-microsoft > implementation of the ntfs driver, and myself prefer to partition the > drive beforehand with microsoft tools 3 words..... Backup Backup Backup. From terry.donovan at clear.net.nz Wed Aug 20 13:46:56 2008 From: terry.donovan at clear.net.nz (terry donovan) Date: Wed Aug 20 13:47:12 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] linux-XPpro In-Reply-To: <48AA9F18.6090803@gmail.com> References: <3515.60.234.206.1.1219117106.squirrel@www.mkw-it.com> <48AA9F18.6090803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48AB7790.5090700@clear.net.nz> robin paulson wrote: > alex@mkw-it.com wrote: >> Just download the latest Ubuntu Install CD (8.04 current stable version, >> Hardy Heron) and run it, when the installer gets to the partitioning of >> hard drives you'll have an option which says something a long the >> lines of >> "Guided - Re-size disk - (Your disk i.e. sda) and install in re-sized >> partition". >> >> You'll find it relatively straight forward and obvious that it's found >> the >> Windows XP installation and it will simply re-size the drive and install >> in the newly created space. >> >> Once this is done and you reboot after installation you'll get a boot >> menu >> everytime you boot your machine up asking which OS you want to boot >> to, XP >> or Ubuntu. > > > for another option, it's also possible to install ubuntu under a > dual-boot system, without doing the partitioning. if you boot windows, > then put in the install disk (i think only the newest verion, 8.04, will > do this), it will allow you to install ubuntu 'within' windows > > it works very transparently, and on boot up, you get a standard > bootloader, which asks whether you want windows or ubuntu to boot > > more info, and a far better explanation here: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_(Ubuntu) > > i would advise this as the easiest way to get ubuntu and windows on one > machine. partitioning windows ntfs drives is not that simple imo > > i tried it on a dell recently and it worked flawlessly > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug Good day from Newbie Terry Donovan. This might be just what i am looking for. This message in in my windows XP-Pro And i want to put Linux on this machine. I don't live in Auckland myself; so how do i get the latest C.D.? Regards Terry From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Aug 20 13:49:24 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Aug 20 13:49:43 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] linux-XPpro In-Reply-To: <48AB7790.5090700@clear.net.nz> References: <3515.60.234.206.1.1219117106.squirrel@www.mkw-it.com> <48AA9F18.6090803@gmail.com> <48AB7790.5090700@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <4373.119.15.0.26.1219196964.squirrel@webmail.blakjak.net> > Good day from Newbie Terry Donovan. This might be just what i am looking > for. This message in in my windows XP-Pro > And i want to put Linux on this machine. > I don't live in Auckland myself; so how do i get the latest C.D.? > Regards Terry Terry, If you're not in Auckland, where are you? Noting this is the Auckland Users Group list. There are others for most parts of NZ: http://www.linux.net.nz/node/view/11 Mark. From terry.donovan at clear.net.nz Wed Aug 20 13:55:55 2008 From: terry.donovan at clear.net.nz (terry donovan) Date: Wed Aug 20 13:56:15 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] linux-XPpro In-Reply-To: <3515.60.234.206.1.1219117106.squirrel@www.mkw-it.com> References: <3515.60.234.206.1.1219117106.squirrel@www.mkw-it.com> Message-ID: <48AB79AB.1080200@clear.net.nz> alex@mkw-it.com wrote: > Just download the latest Ubuntu Install CD (8.04 current stable version, > Hardy Heron) and run it, when the installer gets to the partitioning of > hard drives you'll have an option which says something a long the lines of > "Guided - Re-size disk - (Your disk i.e. sda) and install in re-sized > partition". > > You'll find it relatively straight forward and obvious that it's found the > Windows XP installation and it will simply re-size the drive and install > in the newly created space. > > Once this is done and you reboot after installation you'll get a boot menu > everytime you boot your machine up asking which OS you want to boot to, XP > or Ubuntu. > > Hope this helps > >> Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to >> aucklug@linux.net.nz >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> aucklug-request@linux.net.nz >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 13 (Jaco van der Merwe) >> 2. linux-XPpro (terry donovan) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:07:44 +0200 >> From: Jaco van der Merwe >> Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 13 >> To: >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> >> If renewable resources is your thing, also look into EarthShips (lotsa >> google references) >> >>> From: aucklug-request@linux.net.nz >>> Subject: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 13 >>> To: aucklug@linux.net.nz >>> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:00:05 +1200 >>> >>> Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to >>> aucklug@linux.net.nz >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> aucklug-request@linux.net.nz >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. solarnetwork.net (John W. Gorman) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:37:24 +1200 >>> From: "John W. Gorman" >>> Subject: [AuckLUG] solarnetwork.net >>> To: aucklug@linux.net.nz >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>> >>> Hi, >>> anyone who's interested in DIY solar power and open-source, there's a >>> project I've started called: >>> >>> http://www.solarnetwork.net/ >>> >>> thanks, John >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> >>> >>> End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 13 >>> *************************************** >> _________________________________________________________________ >> It?s time to join the family - Get the next generation of Free Windows >> Live Services now! >> http://get.live.com/ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:21:07 +1200 >> From: terry donovan >> Subject: [AuckLUG] linux-XPpro >> To: AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> Message-ID: <48AA03E3.7050705@clear.net.nz> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> I have an older pentium (about 5 years ) with a 12 gig hard drive. It is >> dedicated to UBUNTU 7.01. >> I wish to add UBUNTU to my main 80 gig Asus which has XP-pro on board. >> Please advise on how i can do this. I am a real Green in Linux so far. >> Can you please advise process. >> Kind regards Terry Donovan >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 14 ______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug As i do not live in the Auckland area can you tell me How i can get a copy of the latest UBUNTU Thanks Terry From freakalad at hotmail.com Wed Aug 20 14:25:18 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Aug 20 14:25:24 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - 20 Sept In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So! Anything organised for the international Software Freedom Day? [softwarefreedomday.org] After RMS's lecture, there seems to be quite a bit of momentum & enthusiasm in this area, so this may be an ideal time to turn new recruits over to our side. Venue (library, uni?), marketing (posters, guerilla marketing) & sponsors (dell, novell, dicksmith's, aucklug?) are probably the things requiring immediate attention. I'm sure we can get people excited about this, like school & uni students; especially after the recent vista & iphone debacle. I'm also pretty sure we should not hammer on about glinux exclusively, but focus more on other OSS software. Maybe distribute it via Ubuntu live CD's & DVD (these have OSS software install options if popped into a windoze system). LiveUSB / USBuntu install-fests? Maybe post info on news-channels for people to come & donate old comuter hardware to be recycled as Edubuntu for disadvantaged schools I'm willing to volunteer my time & services to make this happen. Anyone else eager to get on board? _________________________________________________________________ It?s time to join the family - Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services now! http://get.live.com/ From robin.paulson at gmail.com Wed Aug 20 16:27:37 2008 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Wed Aug 20 16:27:44 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] linux-XPpro In-Reply-To: <48AB79AB.1080200@clear.net.nz> References: <3515.60.234.206.1.1219117106.squirrel@www.mkw-it.com> <48AB79AB.1080200@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770808192127h3be21a18s74a0222fe8314c48@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/20 terry donovan : > As i do not live in the Auckland area can you tell me How i can get a copy > of the latest UBUNTU Thanks Terry there are three ways: 1. go to ubuntu.com and follow the links - you can download a .iso file, which can then be burnt to cd and installed 2. go to https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ - ubuntu will post CDs free of charge to certain locations, which may include nz, i'm not sure 3. go to http://wubi-installer.org/ , download the software there (it's a small windows executable), run it and it will do the rest, getting everything you need without needing to use a CD or anything option. 3 is easiest, unless you don't have broadband, in which case you might want option 2. From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 00:31:04 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 21 00:31:09 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] linux-XPpro In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770808191334qb3e9012hd7f53f73229bc8bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <3515.60.234.206.1.1219117106.squirrel@www.mkw-it.com> <48AA9F18.6090803@gmail.com> <2494ad260808190337t7322fd40sfa945fc264d7e4b3@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770808191334qb3e9012hd7f53f73229bc8bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2008/8/19 Kennedy Skelton : >> 2008/8/19 robin paulson : >>> i would advise this as the easiest way to get ubuntu and windows on one >>> machine. partitioning windows ntfs drives is not that simple imo >> >> I've always found resizing windows partitions to be very >> straight-forward. I believe parted will do this for you using >> ntfsresize, and ntfsresize requires very little work. I've never had a >> problem with it. > > yes, i should have read the parent properly before i posted - > although, to be honest i'm still a bit wary of using a non-microsoft > implementation of the ntfs driver, and myself prefer to partition the > drive beforehand with microsoft tools 3 words..... Backup Backup Backup. From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 00:47:44 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 21 00:47:49 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Linux SME with AFFA backup- cant install In-Reply-To: <000001c901e7$d9cb9200$0202fea9@dad> References: <000001c901e7$d9cb9200$0202fea9@dad> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 10:39 PM, John @ BER Ltd wrote: > Hi > > Having a problem trying to install a contrib AFFA on a Linux SME Server. Ran > the commands on the Linux install instructions and keep getting the > following "error getting repository data for smecontribs, repository not > found". > The following command is: > /usr/bin/yum install --enablerepo=smecontribs smeserver-affa > Can anyone help. Trying to run a clone backup server for Linux SME in case > of hardware failure on my production server. > Thanks John > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > > > Mobile: 0274 935 686 > > Email: john@ber.net.nz Hi John, What does running this command give you? db yum_repositories show smecontribs It sounds like you just can't seem to connect to the repository so you may need to add it manually I'm guessing. I'm not sure how to do it in yum but the file in question is probably somewhere in /etc/yum. What version of SME server are you running? Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 01:05:43 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 21 01:05:48 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: email - try Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <2ba67c820808190437o7e89132ck88ea7522c20836c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <2ba67c820808190437o7e89132ck88ea7522c20836c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:37 PM, Bill and Kath Worsfold wrote: > Hi all, > > I too would like to know if anyone is having installfests, or a "workshop" > meeting to help newbies get to grips with Linux. Alan, please DO NOT GIVE > UP! There is lots of help here on this list, and on the internet. > > To make it easier for newbies to follow the messages on here, it would be > helpful if you guys didn't use jargon words like "client". It just confuses > people who have less knowledge. It would be better just to use words like > "program", etc. > > Alan, I would recommend that you use Mozilla Thunderbird for your email > program. Just click where it says "System" at the top of your screen - then > follow through to System>Administration>Synaptic Package Manager - enter > your password when asked, and then put "thunderbird" into the search box. It > will bring up a whole bunch of stuff - just check the box for > mozilla-thunderbird and you will be able to install it. > > I think it is very similar to Outlook Express, which will be a help to you. > I find it very good as an email program. You will then have to configure it > with your details, of course. Start with this page: > http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/ and see if you can get it set > up. Then just ask questions on this list until you get it going. > > I'll tell you what could be a good move, too - phone your ISP and ask them > if they have a Linux expert who could walk you through things. Mine does, > and when I have problems, I always ask to speak to him. > > Cheers, > Kath > > P.S. Regarding Kennedy's comments - I found her very helpful at the last > installfest. Incredibly mature, considering she's 16 (perhaps a bit older by > now). I can remember what a snotty nosed little know-it-all I was at that > age, and I think she's pretty cool, actually ;o) - relates to all ages > extremely well, I'd say. A good person to have around when dealing with > Linux problems. Hi Kath/Alan, If it helps at all, I've been helping someone via email for those beginners problems. It's been a bit of fun with things like how to troubleshoot printer issues and mounting drives etc. Anyway, the point of this email, if you do need help which you think might be a little too simple for this list, feel free to email me off list. I'm sure if you ask on the list for the same sort of thing people are going to be willing to expend a little bit of time to helping others get their feet wet. Regards, Nevyn. From candle.man.nz at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 19:15:58 2008 From: candle.man.nz at gmail.com (Kevin Adams) Date: Thu Aug 21 19:16:03 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: email - try Thunderbird In-Reply-To: References: <2ba67c820808190437o7e89132ck88ea7522c20836c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5b6001920808210015o1679d754ladab3d4834e313b8@mail.gmail.com> Hi Kath, Yes, take him up on his offer. I wish others who could help newbies get settled into Linux would offer to mentor you like Nevyn. Thank you from a much more settled newbie Kevin 2008/8/21 Nevyn > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:37 PM, Bill and Kath Worsfold > wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I too would like to know if anyone is having installfests, or a > "workshop" > > meeting to help newbies get to grips with Linux. Alan, please DO NOT GIVE > > UP! There is lots of help here on this list, and on the internet. > > > > To make it easier for newbies to follow the messages on here, it would be > > helpful if you guys didn't use jargon words like "client". It just > confuses > > people who have less knowledge. It would be better just to use words like > > "program", etc. > > > > Alan, I would recommend that you use Mozilla Thunderbird for your email > > program. Just click where it says "System" at the top of your screen - > then > > follow through to System>Administration>Synaptic Package Manager - enter > > your password when asked, and then put "thunderbird" into the search box. > It > > will bring up a whole bunch of stuff - just check the box for > > mozilla-thunderbird and you will be able to install it. > > > > I think it is very similar to Outlook Express, which will be a help to > you. > > I find it very good as an email program. You will then have to configure > it > > with your details, of course. Start with this page: > > http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/ and see if you can get it > set > > up. Then just ask questions on this list until you get it going. > > > > I'll tell you what could be a good move, too - phone your ISP and ask > them > > if they have a Linux expert who could walk you through things. Mine does, > > and when I have problems, I always ask to speak to him. > > > > Cheers, > > Kath > > > > P.S. Regarding Kennedy's comments - I found her very helpful at the last > > installfest. Incredibly mature, considering she's 16 (perhaps a bit older > by > > now). I can remember what a snotty nosed little know-it-all I was at that > > age, and I think she's pretty cool, actually ;o) - relates to all ages > > extremely well, I'd say. A good person to have around when dealing with > > Linux problems. > > Hi Kath/Alan, > > If it helps at all, I've been helping someone via email for those > beginners problems. It's been a bit of fun with things like how to > troubleshoot printer issues and mounting drives etc. Anyway, the point > of this email, if you do need help which you think might be a little > too simple for this list, feel free to email me off list. > > I'm sure if you ask on the list for the same sort of thing people are > going to be willing to expend a little bit of time to helping others > get their feet wet. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From freakalad at hotmail.com Fri Aug 22 10:17:21 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Fri Aug 22 10:17:25 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] no SFD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I take it from the lack of response that nothing is being planned for the SFD? Would Waikato/Hamilton be my best bet then? I'd just like to start planning either way, as it's less than a month away - Jaco _________________________________________________________________ It?s time to join the family - Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services now! http://get.live.com/ From songs at billkath.com Fri Aug 22 23:05:10 2008 From: songs at billkath.com (Bill and Kath Worsfold) Date: Fri Aug 22 23:05:18 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: no SFD? Message-ID: <2ba67c820808220405i127e6237g8ebc493ac690c009@mail.gmail.com> Jaco, you might like to get in touch with Simon Bridge, who runs the HBCLUG (Hibiscus Coast). The club has hardly any members (two of us as of last September - could be more now), but anyway Simon and I manned a stall in Orewa last September, and he is planning two stalls this year. So, you don't have to go as far as Hamilton to get involved. It was lots of fun last year - we gave away a few CDs - hope to give away more this year. AFAIK, the AuckLUG didn't do anything last year - I don't know about this year. Here's Simon's page on the SFD, and his email address: http://www.hbclinux.net.nz/hbclug.html corwin@ihug.co.nz Cheers, Kath Worsfold > I take it from the lack of response that nothing is being planned for the > SFD? > Would Waikato/Hamilton be my best bet then? > > I'd just like to start planning either way, as it's less than a month away > > - Jaco > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's time to join the family - Get the next generation of Free Windows Live > Services now! > http://get.live.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 21 > *************************************** > -- **************************************************** Bill & Kath Worsfold - Kiwi Entertainers! www.billkath.co.nz (09)425-9538 **************************************************** From nevynh at gmail.com Sat Aug 23 01:45:45 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sat Aug 23 01:45:53 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: no SFD? In-Reply-To: <2ba67c820808220405i127e6237g8ebc493ac690c009@mail.gmail.com> References: <2ba67c820808220405i127e6237g8ebc493ac690c009@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >From memory I think the AuckLUG did do something though there were two groups doing something? One didn't end up doing a thing and the second did something. Auckland is rather a large place and it's probably the reason why we were talking about having a North Shore LUG at one point - or rather, forming NZs first GLUG.... On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Bill and Kath Worsfold wrote: > Jaco, you might like to get in touch with Simon Bridge, who runs the HBCLUG > (Hibiscus Coast). The club has hardly any members (two of us as of last > September - could be more now), but anyway Simon and I manned a stall in > Orewa last September, and he is planning two stalls this year. So, you don't > have to go as far as Hamilton to get involved. It was lots of fun last year > - we gave away a few CDs - hope to give away more this year. > > AFAIK, the AuckLUG didn't do anything last year - I don't know about this > year. Here's Simon's page on the SFD, and his email address: > > http://www.hbclinux.net.nz/hbclug.html > corwin@ihug.co.nz > > Cheers, > Kath Worsfold > > > >> I take it from the lack of response that nothing is being planned for the >> SFD? >> Would Waikato/Hamilton be my best bet then? >> >> I'd just like to start planning either way, as it's less than a month away >> >> - Jaco >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> It's time to join the family - Get the next generation of Free Windows Live >> Services now! >> http://get.live.com/ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> >> End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 21 >> *************************************** >> > > -- > **************************************************** > Bill & Kath Worsfold - Kiwi Entertainers! > www.billkath.co.nz > (09)425-9538 > **************************************************** > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From freakalad at hotmail.com Mon Aug 25 10:37:26 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Mon Aug 25 10:37:30 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey, Kath Thanks for the info. I'll try & touch base with Simon later today. Hibiscus seems a bit more active at this stage, so I'll make a point of swinging by there @ some point, Thanks 4 the info - Jaco (PS. btw. there was noted that I use this mail provider & it may have an impact on my 'credibility' in the community. I simply use this account as a public/spam-trap & low-security expense account; expendable) _________________________________________________________________ It?s time to join the family - Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services now! http://get.live.com/ From alex at mkw-it.com Mon Aug 25 12:22:27 2008 From: alex at mkw-it.com (Alex Williams) Date: Mon Aug 25 12:22:37 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Does having a hotmail address lose you credibility in the OSS and Linux world? Message-ID: <48B1FB43.8070504@mkw-it.com> I take it you're referring to your hotmail account? I wouldn't worry Jaco, I've had a hotmail account for over 8 years now and couldn't live without it. I have a million and one email addresses for different businesses, functions and reasons but the only one that costs me absolutely nothing and I'm more than happy to let it get spammed is my hotmail one. Microsoft may as well be useful for something right? Alex aucklug-request@linux.net.nz wrote: > Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to > aucklug@linux.net.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 22 (Jaco van der Merwe) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:37:26 +0200 > From: Jaco van der Merwe > Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 22 > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > > Hey, Kath > > Thanks for the info. I'll try & touch base with Simon later today. > Hibiscus seems a bit more active at this stage, so I'll make a point of swinging by there @ some point, > > Thanks 4 the info > > - Jaco > > (PS. btw. there was noted that I use this mail provider & it may have an impact on my 'credibility' in the community. I simply use this account as a public/spam-trap & low-security expense account; expendable) > > _________________________________________________________________ > It?s time to join the family - Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services now! > http://get.live.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 23 > *************************************** > > From blakjak at blakjak.net Mon Aug 25 14:12:48 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Mon Aug 25 14:13:15 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Does having a hotmail address lose you credibility in the OSS and Linux world? In-Reply-To: <48B1FB43.8070504@mkw-it.com> References: <48B1FB43.8070504@mkw-it.com> Message-ID: For personal communications, use of free email addresses should not be an issue. If you're communicating at a professional level with people, I would suggest that free email domains will cause you a loss of credibility. I'm not sure that the OSS and/or Linux communities should be judging people by their email addresses (noting many people have Hotmail accounts due to to the fact they were once _the_ ubiquitous email service provider @$0) but I can understand why some of the most over-zealous types might question Hotmail (being Microsoft owned). Some people just don't believe in compromise. Mark. On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Alex Williams wrote: > I take it you're referring to your hotmail account? I wouldn't worry Jaco, > I've had a hotmail account for over 8 years now and couldn't live without it. > I have a million and one email addresses for different businesses, functions > and reasons but the only one that costs me absolutely nothing and I'm more > than happy to let it get spammed is my hotmail one. Microsoft may as well be > useful for something right? > > Alex > > aucklug-request@linux.net.nz wrote: >> Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to >> aucklug@linux.net.nz >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> aucklug-request@linux.net.nz >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 22 (Jaco van der Merwe) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:37:26 +0200 >> From: Jaco van der Merwe >> Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 22 >> To: >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> >> Hey, Kath >> >> Thanks for the info. I'll try & touch base with Simon later today. >> Hibiscus seems a bit more active at this stage, so I'll make a point of >> swinging by there @ some point, >> >> Thanks 4 the info >> >> - Jaco >> >> (PS. btw. there was noted that I use this mail provider & it may have an >> impact on my 'credibility' in the community. I simply use this account as a >> public/spam-trap & low-security expense account; expendable) >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> It?s time to join the family - Get the next generation of Free Windows Live >> Services now! >> http://get.live.com/ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> >> End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 23 >> *************************************** >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From sbwithers at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 18:20:54 2008 From: sbwithers at gmail.com (Steve Withers) Date: Mon Aug 25 18:20:59 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Does having a hotmail address lose you credibility in the OSS and Linux world? In-Reply-To: <48B1FB43.8070504@mkw-it.com> References: <48B1FB43.8070504@mkw-it.com> Message-ID: <4372ea620808242320u32bd82dx850665d014919135@mail.gmail.com> In my experience, gmail leaves hotmail for dead, buried and completely gone....... Not least because I almost never see spam on gmail, yet anything I do want has no trouble getting to me. It's sort of like the net the way it used to be. On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Alex Williams wrote: > I take it you're referring to your hotmail account? I wouldn't worry Jaco, > I've had a hotmail account for over 8 years now and couldn't live without > it. I have a million and one email addresses for different businesses, > functions and reasons but the only one that costs me absolutely nothing and > I'm more than happy to let it get spammed is my hotmail one. Microsoft may > as well be useful for something right? > > Alex > -- Steve Withers sbwithers@gmail.com +64-21-0267-3530 From gorswill at xtra.co.nz Mon Aug 25 20:01:29 2008 From: gorswill at xtra.co.nz (G.S. Williams) Date: Mon Aug 25 20:01:43 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Jaco van de Merwe's query Message-ID: <48B266D9.7010505@xtra.co.nz> If Jaco is in Auckland, why not contact Howick LUG. It seems that ALUG has been ignoring us. anyone wanting an alternate User group can phone me at:- 533 1147 and I'll give the necessary information. G.S. Williams. From blakjak at blakjak.net Mon Aug 25 20:09:30 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Mon Aug 25 20:09:55 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Jaco van de Merwe's query In-Reply-To: <48B266D9.7010505@xtra.co.nz> References: <48B266D9.7010505@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: You seem to have miss the point. What is ALUG? (What is AuckLUG?) It is the sum of its membership. The below translates to exactly the _wrong_ attitude. If you want AuckLUG to do something - arrange it! If you want to be involved in the administration of your local LUG you need to first stand up and be counted. Dunno about you but I havn't seen you volunteering to represent AuckLUG... AuckLUGs history (via NZLUG prior to AuckLUG) reflects the strong tendency that a group of a few, enthusiastic individuals are responsible for most of the 'group' efforts. Sadly the kind of people who volunteer to take on the admin overhead of these sorts of things also are often the type who are habitually busy with the rest of their lives and may not have the time to spare anymore. New blood is required. If you're suggesting that the Auckland LUG is 'ignoring us', look in a mirror; you are the Auckland LUG as much as anyone else on this mailing list is. Mark. (I did my time as an events coordinator for AuckLUG/NZLUG in Auckland. I know what it takes. To start with, simply some volunteers and someone with the ability to coordinate them...) On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, G.S. Williams wrote: > If Jaco is in Auckland, why not contact Howick LUG. It seems that ALUG has > been ignoring us. anyone wanting an alternate User group can phone me at:- > 533 1147 > > and I'll give the necessary information. > > G.S. Williams. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 00:53:36 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Aug 26 00:53:45 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Does having a hotmail address lose you credibility in the OSS and Linux world? In-Reply-To: <4372ea620808242320u32bd82dx850665d014919135@mail.gmail.com> References: <48B1FB43.8070504@mkw-it.com> <4372ea620808242320u32bd82dx850665d014919135@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Steve Withers wrote: > In my experience, gmail leaves hotmail for dead, buried and completely > gone....... > > Not least because I almost never see spam on gmail, yet anything I do want > has no trouble getting to me. It's sort of like the net the way it used to > be. In saying that though, it's all a matter of preference. I had a hotmail account for years, and of course with the account you also get a messenger account which may be of benefit for keeping in touch with friends. Gmail is great though I do find the chat facilities leave something to be desired. In the same breath, I'll also state it tends to be the only chat I use nowadays. From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 01:04:25 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Aug 26 01:04:29 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Jaco van de Merwe's query In-Reply-To: <48B266D9.7010505@xtra.co.nz> References: <48B266D9.7010505@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 8:01 PM, G.S. Williams wrote: > If Jaco is in Auckland, why not contact Howick LUG. It seems that ALUG has > been ignoring us. anyone wanting an alternate User group can phone me at:- > 533 1147 > > and I'll give the necessary information. > > G.S. Williams. I guess the question is, how do you want to promote software freedom day? So far all we've had is a "does anyone want to participate?" with no clear definition of what is meant by participation. I'd suggest that first on the agenda would be to organise a shipment of Ubuntu cd's as this takes around a month from experience to arrive. Secondly, although it'd be great to get people moving to Linux, the goal of the day isn't so much about getting people to change their entire computing experience but more to make them aware of Free / Open software and the quality of it so it would be prudent to make up cd's of Free and Opensource software which can be run on Windows. Including things like firefox, audacity, openoffice etc. Sure there are compilations like this out there already but it'd be nice to add a bit of a local flair even if it is to change the html pages a wee bit. Thirdly, documentation. Letting people know the difference between freeware, proprietry and opensource/free software. The advantages of using opensource and where to find further information. Fourthly, how to draw the crowds in. Tux costumes? Gnu soft toys? Fifthly, scope - how far do you want to go? Do you want to display a fully opensource/free system? And finally, last, but definitely not least, where!?! What do you need to get there? I'd suggest that a lot of people on the list would tend to attend localised events so there may end up being 2 or 3 groups doing something within Auckland. Auckland is rather a big place after all. Regards, Nevyn. From kiirani at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 08:12:04 2008 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Tue Aug 26 08:12:09 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Does having a hotmail address lose you credibility in the OSS and Linux world? In-Reply-To: References: <48B1FB43.8070504@mkw-it.com> <4372ea620808242320u32bd82dx850665d014919135@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2494ad260808251312h1114e0cr14186db24826aca6@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/26 Nevyn : > In saying that though, it's all a matter of preference. I had a > hotmail account for years, and of course with the account you also get > a messenger account which may be of benefit for keeping in touch with > friends. > > Gmail is great though I do find the chat facilities leave something to > be desired. In the same breath, I'll also state it tends to be the > only chat I use nowadays. On chat with gmail: I don't know how it works with the new windows live thing, but you used to be able to register a non-hotmail address for use as an msn login. From freakalad at hotmail.com Tue Aug 26 11:10:13 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Aug 26 11:10:22 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Couple of points: To me, Hotmail = junkmail. works great in that role. use it for stuff that I want privacy/security issues to be lax around. I consider it 'disposable' And frankly, I pay little heed to what opinions people have of me. My family's opinion is the only opinion that counts for for me (people may take offence to this statement...see above) Next point: "Stand up & be counted". I'm standing up; please count me. Can we arrange regular meetings, please? It would be good to meet face 2 face; is a MUST for install fests. I nominate RBV on K-rd (http://rvb.co.nz/) as a venue. I can arrange to be accommodated (know the owner) if everyone is willing to buy a beer to cover his costs (the gentle gender would be welcome too) Last Point: Nevyn, thanks for picking up the ball. You're the first response to my request Let's discuss the event & try to get something together in time. If it's a dead-issue, let's work with the Hibiscus coast gLUG to get something together. A desicion needs to me made, one way or another I've got some time, some expertise, and a car. Not much else at this stage (new to NZ) More later. Work now - Jaco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces ? your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. http://get.live.com/spaces/overview From alex at mkw-it.com Tue Aug 26 12:11:20 2008 From: alex at mkw-it.com (alex@mkw-it.com) Date: Tue Aug 26 12:11:24 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Regular Meetings for AuckLUG Message-ID: <3371.60.234.206.1.1219709480.squirrel@www.mkw-it.com> Count me in for the regular meets. I'm also happy to volunteer whatever spare time I have to help with the group. I run two businesses and contract out for other companies as well as having two kids, so my time can be limited but I'll help wherever possible. I'd definately be up for the meet on K-Road. Side note: Jaco you say new to NZ, where you from? Alex > Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to > aucklug@linux.net.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 24 (Jaco van der Merwe) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:10:13 +0200 > From: Jaco van der Merwe > Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 24 > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > > Couple of points: > > To me, Hotmail = junkmail. works great in that role. use it for stuff that > I want privacy/security issues to be lax around. I consider it > 'disposable' > > And frankly, I pay little heed to what opinions people have of me. My > family's opinion is the only opinion that counts for for me (people may > take offence to this statement...see above) > > Next point: > "Stand up & be counted". I'm standing up; please count me. > Can we arrange regular meetings, please? It would be good to meet face 2 > face; is a MUST for install fests. > I nominate RBV on K-rd (http://rvb.co.nz/) as a venue. I can arrange to be > accommodated (know the owner) if everyone is willing to buy a beer to > cover his costs (the gentle gender would be welcome too) > > Last Point: > Nevyn, thanks for picking up the ball. You're the first response to my > request > Let's discuss the event & try to get something together in time. If it's a > dead-issue, let's work with the Hibiscus coast gLUG to get something > together. A desicion needs to me made, one way or another > I've got some time, some expertise, and a car. Not much else at this stage > (new to NZ) > > More later. > Work now > > - Jaco > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Spaces ? your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. > http://get.live.com/spaces/overview > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 25 > *************************************** > From freakalad at hotmail.com Tue Aug 26 12:11:29 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Aug 26 12:11:32 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - Call 2 Action In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Notes for event: * LiceCD's/liveDVD/liveUSB/liveEtc * OS's: Ubuntu, Edubuntu, KBuntu (Ubuntu's my ho', in case no-one's noticed). VERY user-friendly openSuSE (if Novell's participating) RedHad (historical reasons) gOS (shiny, flashy, new) libre (or whatever you can think of here) * Many LiveCD come with OSS if you pop it in a win box (or at least Ubuntu does) * Talk to target audience. We need donations/sponsors (time, hands, pizza & beer, empty disks, old machines, hardware, $$$, venue, net connection) * Install-fest, "pimp my eeePC" * Android vs. iPhone, OOo vs "the other one", Ubuntu vs vista, apace vs iis, MySQL vs MSSQL * talking cents: CoO, RoI * freebies & frizes: stickers, disks, liveUSB's, etc * Talk to your respective communities; pread the word: Churches, "Green Party" (? it's the PC thing to do, or some such), Newspapers, Community meetings, around the dinner table & you families, classrooms, etc * Cater for non-linux users (old OpenCD), but try to "convert" them ... your ideas here... - Jaco _________________________________________________________________ Tired of having no room left in your inbox? Windows Live Hotmail now gives you 5GB of FREE storage! Get your free Windows Live Hotmail account here! http://get.live.com/mail/overview From liz at debian.co.nz Tue Aug 26 12:16:10 2008 From: liz at debian.co.nz (Liz) Date: Tue Aug 26 12:16:24 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - Call 2 Action In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B34B4A.70503@debian.co.nz> Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Notes for event: > > * LiceCD's/liveDVD/liveUSB/liveEtc > * OS's: > Ubuntu, Edubuntu, KBuntu (Ubuntu's my ho', in case no-one's noticed). VERY user-friendly > openSuSE (if Novell's participating) > RedHad (historical reasons) > gOS (shiny, flashy, new) > libre (or whatever you can think of here) > * Many LiveCD come with OSS if you pop it in a win box (or at least Ubuntu does) > * Talk to target audience. We need donations/sponsors (time, hands, pizza & beer, empty disks, old machines, hardware, $$$, venue, net connection) > * Install-fest, "pimp my eeePC" > * Android vs. iPhone, OOo vs "the other one", Ubuntu vs vista, apace vs iis, MySQL vs MSSQL > * talking cents: CoO, RoI > * freebies & frizes: stickers, disks, liveUSB's, etc > > * Talk to your respective communities; pread the word: Churches, "Green Party" (? it's the PC thing to do, or some such), Newspapers, Community meetings, around the dinner table & you families, classrooms, etc > > * Cater for non-linux users (old OpenCD), but try to "convert" them > > Software Freedom day isnt about just Linux and 'converting' people to Linux. Its about free software which can be both Windows and Mac software also. Better to promote things like openoffice or similar to use on their current platform than make it an installfest as well as having the option of Linux :) A couple of years back I recall Peter Harrison had a CD made up of free software for windows he gave away with stuff like this, including GIMP and OpenOffice etc and some other things. Perhaps we can organize a nice cd with a bunch of free software like this again? Liz > ... your ideas here... > > - Jaco > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of having no room left in your inbox? Windows Live Hotmail now gives you 5GB of FREE storage! Get your free Windows Live Hotmail account here! > http://get.live.com/mail/overview_______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Regards, Liz Quilty RimuHosting Support From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 12:17:36 2008 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue Aug 26 12:17:42 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Regular Meetings for AuckLUG In-Reply-To: <3371.60.234.206.1.1219709480.squirrel@www.mkw-it.com> References: <3371.60.234.206.1.1219709480.squirrel@www.mkw-it.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770808251717l5ff84ca6u8b277578cb633542@mail.gmail.com> yeah, i'm in too, i can donate time, i got a fair bit of experience linux/OO.o/open-source/free software in general as we're already using the uni for the monthly meets, shall we continue to use them if possible? i'm not that keen on supporting the drinking/gaming industry by going to a casino - i'd rather support the university 2008/8/26 : > Count me in for the regular meets. I'm also happy to volunteer whatever > spare time I have to help with the group. I run two businesses and > contract out for other companies as well as having two kids, so my time > can be limited but I'll help wherever possible. > > I'd definately be up for the meet on K-Road. > > Side note: Jaco you say new to NZ, where you from? > > Alex > >> Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to >> aucklug@linux.net.nz >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> aucklug-request@linux.net.nz >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 24 (Jaco van der Merwe) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:10:13 +0200 >> From: Jaco van der Merwe >> Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 24 >> To: >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> >> Couple of points: >> >> To me, Hotmail = junkmail. works great in that role. use it for stuff that >> I want privacy/security issues to be lax around. I consider it >> 'disposable' >> >> And frankly, I pay little heed to what opinions people have of me. My >> family's opinion is the only opinion that counts for for me (people may >> take offence to this statement...see above) >> >> Next point: >> "Stand up & be counted". I'm standing up; please count me. >> Can we arrange regular meetings, please? It would be good to meet face 2 >> face; is a MUST for install fests. >> I nominate RBV on K-rd (http://rvb.co.nz/) as a venue. I can arrange to be >> accommodated (know the owner) if everyone is willing to buy a beer to >> cover his costs (the gentle gender would be welcome too) From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 12:19:20 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Aug 26 12:19:25 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - Call 2 Action In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > Notes for event: > > * LiceCD's/liveDVD/liveUSB/liveEtc > * OS's: > Ubuntu, Edubuntu, KBuntu (Ubuntu's my ho', in case no-one's noticed). VERY user-friendly > openSuSE (if Novell's participating) > RedHad (historical reasons) > gOS (shiny, flashy, new) > libre (or whatever you can think of here) > * Many LiveCD come with OSS if you pop it in a win box (or at least Ubuntu does) > * Talk to target audience. We need donations/sponsors (time, hands, pizza & beer, empty disks, old machines, hardware, $$$, venue, net connection) > * Install-fest, "pimp my eeePC" > * Android vs. iPhone, OOo vs "the other one", Ubuntu vs vista, apace vs iis, MySQL vs MSSQL > * talking cents: CoO, RoI > * freebies & frizes: stickers, disks, liveUSB's, etc > > * Talk to your respective communities; pread the word: Churches, "Green Party" (? it's the PC thing to do, or some such), Newspapers, Community meetings, around the dinner table & you families, classrooms, etc > > * Cater for non-linux users (old OpenCD), but try to "convert" them > > ... your ideas here... > > - Jaco At this stage I'd suggest perhaps we should have some sort of meeting whether it be via irc or in person somewhere (sounds like an excuse to gather at a pub to me). From candle.man.nz at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 12:39:58 2008 From: candle.man.nz at gmail.com (Kevin Adams) Date: Tue Aug 26 12:40:03 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Regular Meetings for AuckLUG In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770808251717l5ff84ca6u8b277578cb633542@mail.gmail.com> References: <3371.60.234.206.1.1219709480.squirrel@www.mkw-it.com> <2f3aa2770808251717l5ff84ca6u8b277578cb633542@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5b6001920808251739g67782823r7b0fb800ef09d26@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I am an invalid and am all for the K-Road Venue. A venue that is around the corner sounds fine to me. Casino sounds a little strong, from the website I gained that it was a computer gamers liquid haven. Kevin 2008/8/26 Robin Paulson > yeah, i'm in too, i can donate time, i got a fair bit of experience > linux/OO.o/open-source/free software in general > > as we're already using the uni for the monthly meets, shall we > continue to use them if possible? i'm not that keen on supporting the > drinking/gaming industry by going to a casino - i'd rather support the > university > > 2008/8/26 : > > Count me in for the regular meets. I'm also happy to volunteer whatever > > spare time I have to help with the group. I run two businesses and > > contract out for other companies as well as having two kids, so my time > > can be limited but I'll help wherever possible. > > > > I'd definately be up for the meet on K-Road. > > > > Side note: Jaco you say new to NZ, where you from? > > > > Alex > > > >> Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to > >> aucklug@linux.net.nz > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 24 (Jaco van der Merwe) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:10:13 +0200 > >> From: Jaco van der Merwe > >> Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 24 > >> To: > >> Message-ID: > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > >> > >> > >> Couple of points: > >> > >> To me, Hotmail = junkmail. works great in that role. use it for stuff > that > >> I want privacy/security issues to be lax around. I consider it > >> 'disposable' > >> > >> And frankly, I pay little heed to what opinions people have of me. My > >> family's opinion is the only opinion that counts for for me (people may > >> take offence to this statement...see above) > >> > >> Next point: > >> "Stand up & be counted". I'm standing up; please count me. > >> Can we arrange regular meetings, please? It would be good to meet face 2 > >> face; is a MUST for install fests. > >> I nominate RBV on K-rd (http://rvb.co.nz/) as a venue. I can arrange to > be > >> accommodated (know the owner) if everyone is willing to buy a beer to > >> cover his costs (the gentle gender would be welcome too) > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From nevynh at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 12:47:30 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Tue Aug 26 12:47:36 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Regular Meetings for AuckLUG In-Reply-To: <5b6001920808251739g67782823r7b0fb800ef09d26@mail.gmail.com> References: <3371.60.234.206.1.1219709480.squirrel@www.mkw-it.com> <2f3aa2770808251717l5ff84ca6u8b277578cb633542@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920808251739g67782823r7b0fb800ef09d26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This is a scope issue to me. In the past I think people have gathered at their local mall with heavy public exposure. So we need to talk about this. Do we want to do an installfest? Do we want to get a message out to the masses? Do we perhaps have enough people where both options are viable? Remember, SFD isn't just about Linux. The opencd idea seems to have taken hold so perhaps we should talk about what we want to put on such a cd... I don't think we need to argue too much about the obvious ones, such as openoffice and firefox. I would suggest that perhaps we include some documentation on changing the default formats that openoffice saves files in so that people don't find they're unable to exchange files etc. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Kevin Adams wrote: > Hi all, > > I am an invalid and am all for the K-Road Venue. A venue that is around the > corner sounds fine to me. Casino sounds a little strong, from the website I > gained that it was a computer gamers liquid haven. > > Kevin > > 2008/8/26 Robin Paulson > >> yeah, i'm in too, i can donate time, i got a fair bit of experience >> linux/OO.o/open-source/free software in general >> >> as we're already using the uni for the monthly meets, shall we >> continue to use them if possible? i'm not that keen on supporting the >> drinking/gaming industry by going to a casino - i'd rather support the >> university >> >> 2008/8/26 : >> > Count me in for the regular meets. I'm also happy to volunteer whatever >> > spare time I have to help with the group. I run two businesses and >> > contract out for other companies as well as having two kids, so my time >> > can be limited but I'll help wherever possible. >> > >> > I'd definately be up for the meet on K-Road. >> > >> > Side note: Jaco you say new to NZ, where you from? >> > >> > Alex >> > >> >> Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to >> >> aucklug@linux.net.nz >> >> >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> >> aucklug-request@linux.net.nz >> >> >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> >> aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz >> >> >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> >> than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." >> >> >> >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> >> >> 1. RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 24 (Jaco van der Merwe) >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> Message: 1 >> >> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:10:13 +0200 >> >> From: Jaco van der Merwe >> >> Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 24 >> >> To: >> >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> >> >> >> >> Couple of points: >> >> >> >> To me, Hotmail = junkmail. works great in that role. use it for stuff >> that >> >> I want privacy/security issues to be lax around. I consider it >> >> 'disposable' >> >> >> >> And frankly, I pay little heed to what opinions people have of me. My >> >> family's opinion is the only opinion that counts for for me (people may >> >> take offence to this statement...see above) >> >> >> >> Next point: >> >> "Stand up & be counted". I'm standing up; please count me. >> >> Can we arrange regular meetings, please? It would be good to meet face 2 >> >> face; is a MUST for install fests. >> >> I nominate RBV on K-rd (http://rvb.co.nz/) as a venue. I can arrange to >> be >> >> accommodated (know the owner) if everyone is willing to buy a beer to >> >> cover his costs (the gentle gender would be welcome too) From simon at simongreen.net Tue Aug 26 12:52:47 2008 From: simon at simongreen.net (Simon Green) Date: Tue Aug 26 12:52:53 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Regular Meetings for AuckLUG In-Reply-To: References: <3371.60.234.206.1.1219709480.squirrel@www.mkw-it.com> <2f3aa2770808251717l5ff84ca6u8b277578cb633542@mail.gmail.com> <5b6001920808251739g67782823r7b0fb800ef09d26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: A good starting point would be opendisc (http://www.theopendisc.com/), or the kiaora cd (http://wlug.org.nz/KiaoraCD). -- simon 2008/8/26 Nevyn > Remember, SFD isn't just about Linux. The opencd idea seems to have > taken hold so perhaps we should talk about what we want to put on such > a cd... I don't think we need to argue too much about the obvious > ones, such as openoffice and firefox. I would suggest that perhaps we > include some documentation on changing the default formats that > openoffice saves files in so that people don't find they're unable to > exchange files etc. > > From kent_wilkinson at slingshot.co.nz Tue Aug 26 13:23:23 2008 From: kent_wilkinson at slingshot.co.nz (Kent Wilkinson) Date: Tue Aug 26 13:23:31 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - Call 2 Action In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B35B0B.6070304@slingshot.co.nz> Nevyn wrote: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Jaco van der Merwe > wrote: > >> Notes for event: >> >> * LiceCD's/liveDVD/liveUSB/liveEtc >> * OS's: >> Ubuntu, Edubuntu, KBuntu (Ubuntu's my ho', in case no-one's noticed). VERY user-friendly >> openSuSE (if Novell's participating) >> RedHad (historical reasons) >> gOS (shiny, flashy, new) >> libre (or whatever you can think of here) >> * Many LiveCD come with OSS if you pop it in a win box (or at least Ubuntu does) >> * Talk to target audience. We need donations/sponsors (time, hands, pizza & beer, empty disks, old machines, hardware, $$$, venue, net connection) >> * Install-fest, "pimp my eeePC" >> * Android vs. iPhone, OOo vs "the other one", Ubuntu vs vista, apace vs iis, MySQL vs MSSQL >> * talking cents: CoO, RoI >> * freebies & frizes: stickers, disks, liveUSB's, etc >> >> * Talk to your respective communities; pread the word: Churches, "Green Party" (? it's the PC thing to do, or some such), Newspapers, Community meetings, around the dinner table & you families, classrooms, etc >> >> * Cater for non-linux users (old OpenCD), but try to "convert" them >> >> ... your ideas here... >> >> - Jaco >> > > At this stage I'd suggest perhaps we should have some sort of meeting > whether it be via irc or in person somewhere (sounds like an excuse to > gather at a pub to me). > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > I'm willing to help out as best I can. Regards Kent From freakalad at hotmail.com Tue Aug 26 13:55:52 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Aug 26 13:55:54 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the feedback, guys Alex, I'm from Jo'burg, South Africa, home of Ubuntu (the SA-bit, not Jo'ies). Liz, the project you may be referring to was TheOpenCD (now dead), but has spawned several similar projects (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheOpenCD#Similar_projects). The Ubuntu Live disk has domething similar build in on the "windows-side". Most of the software in the live OS is also available as windows installs on the same disk Issue Ubuntu LiveCD's, and the user can test-drive on the live side; if they don't wat to switch, they can install the software only I think this may still be the case; mayhave changed since I last checked If M$ can be sneaky, so can I ;) Robin, I'd be happy to meet at the Uni, if I am able to find a meet (which has been my critisism so far) I suggested RVB as a venue, as the members can stay & drink & game before/after the meet, and it's got comfy seats. Also offers distractions for member's partners if they get bored (I know mine does). And there's food & beer & a bus-stop. beeeeeer.... (http://www.opensourcebeerproject.com/) I'm also membered on a few other gourps (security-related), so timing for meets is very important Let's make a plan... PS. the old OpenCD; spin-off's: http://www.theopencd.org/ http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/ http://www.theopendisc.com/ Once I get feedback from RVB, I'll post a preliminary date If you want to propose an alternative... - Jaco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces ? your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. http://get.live.com/spaces/overview From freakalad at hotmail.com Tue Aug 26 15:14:39 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Aug 26 15:14:43 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - venue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I propose we try to get a school that's connected to "the Loop" to provide a venue. That way they get a free day of IT support & expertise; good PR for the SFD (everyone would be able to find the venue; parking won't be a problem) _________________________________________________________________ Tired of having no room left in your inbox? Windows Live Hotmail now gives you 5GB of FREE storage! Get your free Windows Live Hotmail account here! http://get.live.com/mail/overview From freakalad at hotmail.com Tue Aug 26 15:25:37 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Aug 26 15:25:42 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've been able to secure RVB as a venue @ an off-peak time. There may be a cost involved, but this may be covered by purchase of refreshments Please let me know what dates suit you best & I'l liaise with the owner -Jaco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces ? your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. http://get.live.com/spaces/overview From blakjak at blakjak.net Tue Aug 26 15:29:58 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Aug 26 15:30:25 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jaco, Are you talking about AuckLUG meetings in general or are you simply talking about planning meetings for SFD? If the former, it'd probably be good courtesy to liase with those who've been arranging meetings to date. If the latter - might pay to be clear about intentions, timeframes and such like. Mark. On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > I've been able to secure RVB as a venue @ an off-peak time. > There may be a cost involved, but this may be covered by purchase of refreshments > > Please let me know what dates suit you best & I'l liaise with the owner > > -Jaco > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Spaces ? your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. > http://get.live.com/spaces/overview_______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From steven at openmedia.co.nz Tue Aug 26 16:48:59 2008 From: steven at openmedia.co.nz (Steven Ellis) Date: Tue Aug 26 16:49:15 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] AuckLUG meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29B63B58-A8DF-4BC4-A92D-3D5D11BC9E51@openmedia.co.nz> On 26/08/2008, at 3:25 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > I've been able to secure RVB as a venue @ an off-peak time. > There may be a cost involved, but this may be covered by purchase of > refreshments > > Please let me know what dates suit you best & I'l liaise with the > owner > Can we watch the subject lines here. Are we talking about an AKLLUG meeting or an SFD planning session Also what is RVB? > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug Steven Ellis - Technical Director OpenMedia Limited email - steven@openmedia.co.nz website - http://www.openmedia.co.nz From freakalad at hotmail.com Tue Aug 26 18:28:33 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Tue Aug 26 18:28:39 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - schools (the loop) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm approaching schools in "The Loop" to get them on board for SFD (response pending) http://www.theloop.school.nz/ I'd urge any members with kids in schools with URL's ending in *.school.nz to approach teachers & faculty members to get this off the ground, as these are members of "The Loop" network. If they are not interested,I'd like to know so I don't waste my time. We also need sponsors (for empty disks or old PC's) I suggest we meet @ RVB/uni to strategize, soon (this week?) Will post date once I get more feedback - Jaco _________________________________________________________________ It?s time to join the family - Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services now! http://get.live.com/ From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 19:51:58 2008 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (robin paulson) Date: Tue Aug 26 19:52:18 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - schools (the loop) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B3B61E.5080108@gmail.com> Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > I'm approaching schools in "The Loop" to get them on board for SFD (response pending) > > http://www.theloop.school.nz/ what is the loop? the website's awful, it looks like something c 1997, and explains very little...it's something to do with a fast school-based network? From kiirani at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 20:16:54 2008 From: kiirani at gmail.com (Kennedy Skelton) Date: Tue Aug 26 20:16:59 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - schools (the loop) In-Reply-To: <48B3B61E.5080108@gmail.com> References: <48B3B61E.5080108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2494ad260808260116u679e8bd9n532ec8d908bffb73@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/26 robin paulson : > Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >> >> I'm approaching schools in "The Loop" to get them on board for SFD >> (response pending) >> >> http://www.theloop.school.nz/ > > > what is the loop? > > the website's awful, it looks like something c 1997, and explains very > little...it's something to do with a fast school-based network? I second this, there's absolutely no information on the front page, and the 'information' page has no information that would be useful for people who aren't already in the loop, as it were. What is it? From sbwithers at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 08:26:06 2008 From: sbwithers at gmail.com (Steve Withers) Date: Wed Aug 27 08:26:11 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Jaco van de Merwe's query In-Reply-To: References: <48B266D9.7010505@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <4372ea620808261326u413adaeanb4131c80b94ab231@mail.gmail.com> > I'd suggest that first on the agenda would be to organise a shipment > of Ubuntu cd's as this takes around a month from experience to arrive. > Or just burn some. That takes a few hours across several people. Ready by breakfast. > Fourthly, how to draw the crowds in. Tux costumes? Gnu soft toys? Helium balloons appear to be the best way for any cause. It draws the kids and they drag their parents. The McD's marketing model....and it works. I have yet to see a stand offering free helium balloons that isn't swamped.....and the parents DO take away a pamphlet or two as "payment". Booking a stand at Takapuna Market, or similar elsewhere in Auckland, would be a good venue on a weekend morning. > And finally, last, but definitely not least, where!?! What do you need > to get there? I'd suggest that a lot of people on the list would tend > to attend localised events so there may end up being 2 or 3 groups > doing something within Auckland. Auckland is rather a big place after > all. > I suspect AuckLUG arose because there was a small number of activists throughout Auckland who combined efforts. Maybe they all lived near to each other - or most. If we have now reached a level where there is a small group of activists in EACH of several major suburbs.......then YAY!!!! It's working. Now we need only hold the annual Congress of Auckland LUGs. Bring your local flags and emblems. ...and beer. -- Steve Withers sbwithers@gmail.com +64-21-0267-3530 From blakjak at blakjak.net Wed Aug 27 11:38:26 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Aug 27 11:38:35 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Jaco van de Merwe's query In-Reply-To: <4372ea620808261326u413adaeanb4131c80b94ab231@mail.gmail.com> References: <48B266D9.7010505@xtra.co.nz> <4372ea620808261326u413adaeanb4131c80b94ab231@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: A little history... http://www.linux.net.nz/lists/NZLUG/1999/07/0004.html http://www.linux.net.nz/lists/NZLUG/1999/07/0083.html http://www.linux.net.nz/lists/NZLUG/1999/08/0015.html What you're looking at are posts from the first few months of NZLUG-in-Auckland (the predecessor to AuckLUG). The answer is, that it was a small group of people spread across Auckland (and elsewhere, as the initial community was tied to the mailing list, not physical location) (eg not all neighbours) who made a deliberate effort to meet up. Living in Manurewa and as a teenager with limited transportation and budget, I made the effort to attend NZLUG meetings (held at Auckland University at the time) once a month or whenever I could. Carpool for the win, and all that. > I suspect AuckLUG arose because there was a small number of activists > throughout Auckland who combined efforts. Maybe they all lived near to each > other - or most. > > If we have now reached a level where there is a small group of activists in > EACH of several major suburbs.......then YAY!!!! > > It's working. Now we need only hold the annual Congress of Auckland LUGs. > Bring your local flags and emblems. I'm not sure that moving into 'suburban' LUG groups with smaller numbers of participants is necessarily the right move. There's strength in numbers. If you have a group of (relative) locals I suggest a carpool arrangement. Auckland LUG benefits from the sum of all of its parts. Mark. From freakalad at hotmail.com Wed Aug 27 12:21:03 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Wed Aug 27 12:21:07 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I like the balloons idea. Flea marked may cost money, and implies cost to our customers (if it's sponsored, then no worries); people know where a local school is, they have free parking & a readily available client?le. Lends an air of credibility to the event too (won't be very credible if it ends up being 3 organizers twiddling their thumbs...or chugging beer). I'm trying to arrange this on a shoe-string budget. I'm flat-on-my-ass broke (ref: Immigration, KiwiCon), so all I can give is my time, what little expertise/experience I have & the fuel in my car's tank. That's why we should try to arrange sponsors. Machines, stock, merchandise, venue, etc, ect As stated before, I'd be happy to concentrate efforts in one of the splinter-groups if AuckLUG is a no-go: Hamilton/Waikato seems to have matters in hand, Hibiscus seems like a likely candidate (awaiting response). I just need to know either way so I can get the ball rolling 24 days remaining... - Jaco PS. Probably my own typo fault, but my name is Jaco van der Merwe, and not Jaco van de Merwe (nobody can pronounce it anyway, so it's propably a moot point) > From: aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > Subject: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:00:09 +1200 > > Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to > aucklug@linux.net.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Jaco van de Merwe's query (Steve Withers) > 2. Re: Jaco van de Merwe's query (Mark Foster) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:26:06 +1200 > From: "Steve Withers" > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Jaco van de Merwe's query > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Message-ID: > <4372ea620808261326u413adaeanb4131c80b94ab231@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > I'd suggest that first on the agenda would be to organise a shipment > > of Ubuntu cd's as this takes around a month from experience to arrive. > > > > Or just burn some. That takes a few hours across several people. > > Ready by breakfast. > > > > Fourthly, how to draw the crowds in. Tux costumes? Gnu soft toys? > > > Helium balloons appear to be the best way for any cause. It draws the kids > and they drag their parents. The McD's marketing model....and it works. > > I have yet to see a stand offering free helium balloons that isn't > swamped.....and the parents DO take away a pamphlet or two as "payment". > > Booking a stand at Takapuna Market, or similar elsewhere in Auckland, would > be a good venue on a weekend morning. > > > > And finally, last, but definitely not least, where!?! What do you need > > to get there? I'd suggest that a lot of people on the list would tend > > to attend localised events so there may end up being 2 or 3 groups > > doing something within Auckland. Auckland is rather a big place after > > all. > > > > I suspect AuckLUG arose because there was a small number of activists > throughout Auckland who combined efforts. Maybe they all lived near to each > other - or most. > > If we have now reached a level where there is a small group of activists in > EACH of several major suburbs.......then YAY!!!! > > It's working. Now we need only hold the annual Congress of Auckland LUGs. > Bring your local flags and emblems. > > ...and beer. > > > -- > Steve Withers > sbwithers@gmail.com > +64-21-0267-3530 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:38:26 +1200 (NZST) > From: Mark Foster > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Jaco van de Merwe's query > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > A little history... > > http://www.linux.net.nz/lists/NZLUG/1999/07/0004.html > > http://www.linux.net.nz/lists/NZLUG/1999/07/0083.html > > http://www.linux.net.nz/lists/NZLUG/1999/08/0015.html > > What you're looking at are posts from the first few months of > NZLUG-in-Auckland (the predecessor to AuckLUG). > > The answer is, that it was a small group of people spread across Auckland > (and elsewhere, as the initial community was tied to the mailing list, not > physical location) (eg not all neighbours) who made a deliberate effort to > meet up. > > Living in Manurewa and as a teenager with limited transportation and > budget, I made the effort to attend NZLUG meetings (held at Auckland > University at the time) once a month or whenever I could. Carpool for the > win, and all that. > > > I suspect AuckLUG arose because there was a small number of activists > > throughout Auckland who combined efforts. Maybe they all lived near to each > > other - or most. > > > > If we have now reached a level where there is a small group of activists in > > EACH of several major suburbs.......then YAY!!!! > > > > It's working. Now we need only hold the annual Congress of Auckland LUGs. > > Bring your local flags and emblems. > > I'm not sure that moving into 'suburban' LUG groups with smaller numbers > of participants is necessarily the right move. There's strength in > numbers. > > If you have a group of (relative) locals I suggest a carpool arrangement. > Auckland LUG benefits from the sum of all of its parts. > > Mark. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 > *************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Tired of having no room left in your inbox? Windows Live Hotmail now gives you 5GB of FREE storage! Get your free Windows Live Hotmail account here! http://get.live.com/mail/overview From davemc at mcpond.co.nz Wed Aug 27 15:38:29 2008 From: davemc at mcpond.co.nz (David McNeill) Date: Wed Aug 27 15:37:44 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: SFD Helium balloons In-Reply-To: <20080827000018.046362435D0@hood.interspeed.co.nz> References: <20080827000018.046362435D0@hood.interspeed.co.nz> Message-ID: <48B4CC35.2040605@mcpond.co.nz> > > Helium balloons appear to be the best way for any cause. It draws the kids > and they drag their parents. The McD's marketing model....and it works. > > Absolutely NO helium for balloons. The world is running short of helium. It's primary use is in MRI scanners for suspending the magnets We should not be wasting what is left on balloons. The next alternative source for helium is the moon, there is no more left on earth than is in those gas fields. Check out wikipedia for more background info, spread the message. I'm all for SFD, but we need to find an alternative (preferably non-polluting or biodegradeable) alternative crowd attractant. Scantily/tightly clad women is environmentally sustainable. David -- David McNeill davemc@mcpond.co.nz McPond Software Open Source Support and Development www.mcpond.co.nz From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 16:01:00 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 27 16:01:05 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > I like the balloons idea. > > Flea marked may cost money, and implies cost to our customers (if it's sponsored, then no worries); people know where a local school is, they have free parking & a readily available client?le. Lends an air of credibility to the event too (won't be very credible if it ends up being 3 organizers twiddling their thumbs...or chugging beer). > > I'm trying to arrange this on a shoe-string budget. I'm flat-on-my-ass broke (ref: Immigration, KiwiCon), so all I can give is my time, what little expertise/experience I have & the fuel in my car's tank. > > That's why we should try to arrange sponsors. Machines, stock, merchandise, venue, etc, ect > > As stated before, I'd be happy to concentrate efforts in one of the splinter-groups if AuckLUG is a no-go: Hamilton/Waikato seems to have matters in hand, Hibiscus seems like a likely candidate (awaiting response). > I just need to know either way so I can get the ball rolling > > 24 days remaining... > > - Jaco > > PS. Probably my own typo fault, but my name is Jaco van der Merwe, and not Jaco van de Merwe (nobody can pronounce it anyway, so it's propably a moot point) Jaco, Lets organise this first meeting first, find out what people want to do and then worry about money. The problem with using a school is firstly, it'll still cost money to hire a school hall and, and secondly it has no exposure to the public so you're relying on people to be interested enough to go out of their way. If you're just looking to do an installfest, this is a little different and a school is probably a good idea. However, I'm not entirely sure an Installfest is in the spirit of Software Freedom Day as I envision SFD to be about letting people know about the advantages of Free software. If people are going to an installfest, chances are, the majourity of them already know a bit about free software. I'm sure no one expects you to pay for it. We will need to discuss ways of raising money. E.g. should we approach Novell? and if we decide that's our best action, who's going to do the approaching? Should we just do a collection? A flea market stall usually only costs around $10-$20 in which case if 10 of us put in $2 we'd probably have the money to do that without needing sponsorship. Next, I'm not sure we should be concentrating on Linux. For the most part, people don't really care what operating system they're using. A few years ago if you had asked most office people what operating system they were using they'd tell you "Microsoft Office Something..". What they care about is getting their work done. So saying to people "Linux is better than Windows because.." loses them at about the word "Linux". I know a friend who switched from Linux and brought a Mac instead because it meant a lot less time mucking around with the OS. Hell, the perfect OS wouldn't be noticable. You'd just get the job done and no two ways about it. This is why I think that a cd of Free software is a good idea. Not to dampen Ubuntu's efforts, but given that most of the people you'd be approaching would be using Windows, because it was what their computers came with, a cd with Free windows software is more likely to show them a positive Free software experience than trying to push an OS at them. The livecd idea is great but if something doesn't work. Eg. the resolution is set incorrectly, it gives people a negative experience of Free software. It doesn't take much to give people a negative experience and we should bear this mind when coming up with any plans we come up with. Regards, Nevyn. From kent_wilkinson at slingshot.co.nz Wed Aug 27 16:12:53 2008 From: kent_wilkinson at slingshot.co.nz (Kent Wilkinson) Date: Wed Aug 27 16:13:06 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B4D445.7030403@slingshot.co.nz> Nevyn wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Jaco van der Merwe > wrote: > >> I like the balloons idea. >> >> Flea marked may cost money, and implies cost to our customers (if it's sponsored, then no worries); people know where a local school is, they have free parking & a readily available client?le. Lends an air of credibility to the event too (won't be very credible if it ends up being 3 organizers twiddling their thumbs...or chugging beer). >> >> I'm trying to arrange this on a shoe-string budget. I'm flat-on-my-ass broke (ref: Immigration, KiwiCon), so all I can give is my time, what little expertise/experience I have & the fuel in my car's tank. >> >> That's why we should try to arrange sponsors. Machines, stock, merchandise, venue, etc, ect >> >> As stated before, I'd be happy to concentrate efforts in one of the splinter-groups if AuckLUG is a no-go: Hamilton/Waikato seems to have matters in hand, Hibiscus seems like a likely candidate (awaiting response). >> I just need to know either way so I can get the ball rolling >> >> 24 days remaining... >> >> - Jaco >> >> PS. Probably my own typo fault, but my name is Jaco van der Merwe, and not Jaco van de Merwe (nobody can pronounce it anyway, so it's propably a moot point) >> > > Jaco, > > Lets organise this first meeting first, find out what people want to > do and then worry about money. > > The problem with using a school is firstly, it'll still cost money to > hire a school hall and, and secondly it has no exposure to the public > so you're relying on people to be interested enough to go out of their > way. If you're just looking to do an installfest, this is a little > different and a school is probably a good idea. > > However, I'm not entirely sure an Installfest is in the spirit of > Software Freedom Day as I envision SFD to be about letting people know > about the advantages of Free software. If people are going to an > installfest, chances are, the majourity of them already know a bit > about free software. > > I'm sure no one expects you to pay for it. We will need to discuss > ways of raising money. E.g. should we approach Novell? and if we > decide that's our best action, who's going to do the approaching? > Should we just do a collection? A flea market stall usually only costs > around $10-$20 in which case if 10 of us put in $2 we'd probably have > the money to do that without needing sponsorship. > > Next, I'm not sure we should be concentrating on Linux. For the most > part, people don't really care what operating system they're using. A > few years ago if you had asked most office people what operating > system they were using they'd tell you "Microsoft Office Something..". > What they care about is getting their work done. So saying to people > "Linux is better than Windows because.." loses them at about the word > "Linux". I know a friend who switched from Linux and brought a Mac > instead because it meant a lot less time mucking around with the OS. > Hell, the perfect OS wouldn't be noticable. You'd just get the job > done and no two ways about it. > > This is why I think that a cd of Free software is a good idea. Not to > dampen Ubuntu's efforts, but given that most of the people you'd be > approaching would be using Windows, because it was what their > computers came with, a cd with Free windows software is more likely to > show them a positive Free software experience than trying to push an > OS at them. > > The livecd idea is great but if something doesn't work. Eg. the > resolution is set incorrectly, it gives people a negative experience > of Free software. It doesn't take much to give people a negative > experience and we should bear this mind when coming up with any plans > we come up with. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > I'm going to agree with Nevyn here. I'm happy to contribute financially for this, I'm by no means rich as I'm a man of leisure at the moment, but I'm sure I could pitch in some money, buy some blank CD's, etc... Any suggestions on where and when for a meeting. At a pub sounds good :-) Regards Kent From justin at skull.co.nz Wed Aug 27 20:48:16 2008 From: justin at skull.co.nz (Justin Cook) Date: Wed Aug 27 20:48:24 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: SFD Helium balloons In-Reply-To: <48B4CC35.2040605@mcpond.co.nz> References: <20080827000018.046362435D0@hood.interspeed.co.nz> <48B4CC35.2040605@mcpond.co.nz> Message-ID: <93a52e0e0808270148m7b98b2ceidfaeb3b16cb0ac9a@mail.gmail.com> This is urban paranoia. The world won't run out of helium due to balloons. Also, the helium in medical equipment is rigorously recycled. For cost reasons, not lack of helium. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 3:38 PM, David McNeill wrote: > > >> Helium balloons appear to be the best way for any cause. It draws the kids >> and they drag their parents. The McD's marketing model....and it works. >> >> >> > > > Absolutely NO helium for balloons. > > The world is running short of helium. > > It's primary use is in MRI scanners for suspending the magnets > > We should not be wasting what is left on balloons. > > The next alternative source for helium is the moon, there is no more left > on earth than is in those gas fields. > > Check out wikipedia for more background info, spread the message. > > I'm all for SFD, but we need to find an alternative (preferably > non-polluting or biodegradeable) alternative crowd attractant. > Scantily/tightly clad women is environmentally sustainable. > > > David > > -- > David McNeill > davemc@mcpond.co.nz > McPond Software > Open Source Support and Development > www.mcpond.co.nz > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Justin Cook Skull http://www.skull.co.nz justin@skull.co.nz 021 2700 222 Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible - St. Francis of Assisi From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 21:38:03 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 27 21:38:09 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: <48B4D445.7030403@slingshot.co.nz> References: <48B4D445.7030403@slingshot.co.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Kent Wilkinson wrote: > Nevyn wrote: >> >> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Jaco van der Merwe >> wrote: >> >>> >>> I like the balloons idea. >>> >>> Flea marked may cost money, and implies cost to our customers (if it's >>> sponsored, then no worries); people know where a local school is, they have >>> free parking & a readily available client?le. Lends an air of credibility to >>> the event too (won't be very credible if it ends up being 3 organizers >>> twiddling their thumbs...or chugging beer). >>> >>> I'm trying to arrange this on a shoe-string budget. I'm flat-on-my-ass >>> broke (ref: Immigration, KiwiCon), so all I can give is my time, what little >>> expertise/experience I have & the fuel in my car's tank. >>> >>> That's why we should try to arrange sponsors. Machines, stock, >>> merchandise, venue, etc, ect >>> >>> As stated before, I'd be happy to concentrate efforts in one of the >>> splinter-groups if AuckLUG is a no-go: Hamilton/Waikato seems to have >>> matters in hand, Hibiscus seems like a likely candidate (awaiting response). >>> I just need to know either way so I can get the ball rolling >>> >>> 24 days remaining... >>> >>> - Jaco >>> >>> PS. Probably my own typo fault, but my name is Jaco van der Merwe, and >>> not Jaco van de Merwe (nobody can pronounce it anyway, so it's propably a >>> moot point) >>> >> >> Jaco, >> >> Lets organise this first meeting first, find out what people want to >> do and then worry about money. >> >> The problem with using a school is firstly, it'll still cost money to >> hire a school hall and, and secondly it has no exposure to the public >> so you're relying on people to be interested enough to go out of their >> way. If you're just looking to do an installfest, this is a little >> different and a school is probably a good idea. >> >> However, I'm not entirely sure an Installfest is in the spirit of >> Software Freedom Day as I envision SFD to be about letting people know >> about the advantages of Free software. If people are going to an >> installfest, chances are, the majourity of them already know a bit >> about free software. >> >> I'm sure no one expects you to pay for it. We will need to discuss >> ways of raising money. E.g. should we approach Novell? and if we >> decide that's our best action, who's going to do the approaching? >> Should we just do a collection? A flea market stall usually only costs >> around $10-$20 in which case if 10 of us put in $2 we'd probably have >> the money to do that without needing sponsorship. >> >> Next, I'm not sure we should be concentrating on Linux. For the most >> part, people don't really care what operating system they're using. A >> few years ago if you had asked most office people what operating >> system they were using they'd tell you "Microsoft Office Something..". >> What they care about is getting their work done. So saying to people >> "Linux is better than Windows because.." loses them at about the word >> "Linux". I know a friend who switched from Linux and brought a Mac >> instead because it meant a lot less time mucking around with the OS. >> Hell, the perfect OS wouldn't be noticable. You'd just get the job >> done and no two ways about it. >> >> This is why I think that a cd of Free software is a good idea. Not to >> dampen Ubuntu's efforts, but given that most of the people you'd be >> approaching would be using Windows, because it was what their >> computers came with, a cd with Free windows software is more likely to >> show them a positive Free software experience than trying to push an >> OS at them. >> >> The livecd idea is great but if something doesn't work. Eg. the >> resolution is set incorrectly, it gives people a negative experience >> of Free software. It doesn't take much to give people a negative >> experience and we should bear this mind when coming up with any plans >> we come up with. >> >> Regards, >> Nevyn. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > I'm going to agree with Nevyn here. I'm happy to contribute financially for > this, I'm by no means rich as I'm a man of leisure at the moment, but I'm > sure I could pitch in some money, buy some blank CD's, etc... > > Any suggestions on where and when for a meeting. At a pub sounds good :-) I was thinking perhaps the Clare Inn on dominion road - it's got an upstairs which is seldom used but open so a great place to have a meeting. Drink, a deck for smokers and loads of room. Input? From robin.paulson at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 22:00:49 2008 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (robin paulson) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:00:57 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: References: <48B4D445.7030403@slingshot.co.nz> Message-ID: <48B525D1.3030100@gmail.com> Nevyn wrote: > I was thinking perhaps the Clare Inn on dominion road - it's got an > upstairs which is seldom used but open so a great place to have a > meeting. Drink, a deck for smokers and loads of room. Input? fabulous, my local always quiet in the week, unless the poker's on... i'm in From alex at mkw-it.com Wed Aug 27 23:26:58 2008 From: alex at mkw-it.com (Alex Williams) Date: Wed Aug 27 23:27:06 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Meeting and FSD Message-ID: <48B53A02.2010909@mkw-it.com> Well I'm thinking that the pub on dominion road could be good, I'm contracting for a company there for the next month so be easy to get to if was just after hours and is still very accessible if it's on a weekend or an evening. As for SFD I'd be willing to sponsor if I wasn't just starting out but unfortunately cash is really tight right now. All I can offer is myself and my experience etc. I do have to disagree with Nevyn here but for a reason, although SFD isn't about promoting Linux, Linux is a big part of Free Software and shouldn't be left out, and I'm not saying we should just push Linux, however a CD/DVD which can allow the user to both boot into Linux if they want to try out ALL of the software on the disk or just install some of it on their Windows OS wouldn't hurt. It takes 2 seconds while handing over the disc to a user who's unsure to explain that the LiveCD works with 99% of hardware but if something does go wrong on boot, not to worry, their system is completely unaffected and they should just reboot and run the software thats on the disk in Windows instead. Most Windows users are amazed at the fact they can use a CD to run their computer entirely lol. I think the point of "If something doesn't work it sets a bad ...." is valid, but that can apply to the other software as well. Free software ISN'T always better by any means. It may be better morally and it is certainly easier to find, cheaper to buy in most cases and can indeed be much much better than proprietary solutions of the same nature but it isn't ALWAYS the case. I've had GIMP crap out on me while using it in both Linux and Windows far more times than I've ever had Photoshop crap out. I think I'll definitely be sponsoring an event next time round as thats basically what I've built my companies on, free software, Linux and the community in general. aucklug-request@linux.net.nz wrote: > Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to > aucklug@linux.net.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 (Jaco van der Merwe) > 2. Re: SFD Helium balloons (David McNeill) > 3. Re: RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 (Nevyn) > 4. Re: RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 (Kent Wilkinson) > 5. Re: Re: SFD Helium balloons (Justin Cook) > 6. Re: RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 (Nevyn) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:21:03 +0200 > From: Jaco van der Merwe > Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > I like the balloons idea. > > Flea marked may cost money, and implies cost to our customers (if it's sponsored, then no worries); people know where a local school is, they have free parking & a readily available client?le. Lends an air of credibility to the event too (won't be very credible if it ends up being 3 organizers twiddling their thumbs...or chugging beer). > > I'm trying to arrange this on a shoe-string budget. I'm flat-on-my-ass broke (ref: Immigration, KiwiCon), so all I can give is my time, what little expertise/experience I have & the fuel in my car's tank. > > That's why we should try to arrange sponsors. Machines, stock, merchandise, venue, etc, ect > > As stated before, I'd be happy to concentrate efforts in one of the splinter-groups if AuckLUG is a no-go: Hamilton/Waikato seems to have matters in hand, Hibiscus seems like a likely candidate (awaiting response). > I just need to know either way so I can get the ball rolling > > 24 days remaining... > > - Jaco > > PS. Probably my own typo fault, but my name is Jaco van der Merwe, and not Jaco van de Merwe (nobody can pronounce it anyway, so it's propably a moot point) > > > > >> From: aucklug-request@linux.net.nz >> Subject: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 >> To: aucklug@linux.net.nz >> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:00:09 +1200 >> >> Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to >> aucklug@linux.net.nz >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> aucklug-request@linux.net.nz >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Jaco van de Merwe's query (Steve Withers) >> 2. Re: Jaco van de Merwe's query (Mark Foster) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:26:06 +1200 >> From: "Steve Withers" >> Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Jaco van de Merwe's query >> To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" >> Message-ID: >> <4372ea620808261326u413adaeanb4131c80b94ab231@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> >>> I'd suggest that first on the agenda would be to organise a shipment >>> of Ubuntu cd's as this takes around a month from experience to arrive. >>> >>> >> Or just burn some. That takes a few hours across several people. >> >> Ready by breakfast. >> >> >> >>> Fourthly, how to draw the crowds in. Tux costumes? Gnu soft toys? >>> >> Helium balloons appear to be the best way for any cause. It draws the kids >> and they drag their parents. The McD's marketing model....and it works. >> >> I have yet to see a stand offering free helium balloons that isn't >> swamped.....and the parents DO take away a pamphlet or two as "payment". >> >> Booking a stand at Takapuna Market, or similar elsewhere in Auckland, would >> be a good venue on a weekend morning. >> >> >> >>> And finally, last, but definitely not least, where!?! What do you need >>> to get there? I'd suggest that a lot of people on the list would tend >>> to attend localised events so there may end up being 2 or 3 groups >>> doing something within Auckland. Auckland is rather a big place after >>> all. >>> >>> >> I suspect AuckLUG arose because there was a small number of activists >> throughout Auckland who combined efforts. Maybe they all lived near to each >> other - or most. >> >> If we have now reached a level where there is a small group of activists in >> EACH of several major suburbs.......then YAY!!!! >> >> It's working. Now we need only hold the annual Congress of Auckland LUGs. >> Bring your local flags and emblems. >> >> ...and beer. >> >> >> -- >> Steve Withers >> sbwithers@gmail.com >> +64-21-0267-3530 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:38:26 +1200 (NZST) >> From: Mark Foster >> Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Jaco van de Merwe's query >> To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> >> A little history... >> >> http://www.linux.net.nz/lists/NZLUG/1999/07/0004.html >> >> http://www.linux.net.nz/lists/NZLUG/1999/07/0083.html >> >> http://www.linux.net.nz/lists/NZLUG/1999/08/0015.html >> >> What you're looking at are posts from the first few months of >> NZLUG-in-Auckland (the predecessor to AuckLUG). >> >> The answer is, that it was a small group of people spread across Auckland >> (and elsewhere, as the initial community was tied to the mailing list, not >> physical location) (eg not all neighbours) who made a deliberate effort to >> meet up. >> >> Living in Manurewa and as a teenager with limited transportation and >> budget, I made the effort to attend NZLUG meetings (held at Auckland >> University at the time) once a month or whenever I could. Carpool for the >> win, and all that. >> >> >>> I suspect AuckLUG arose because there was a small number of activists >>> throughout Auckland who combined efforts. Maybe they all lived near to each >>> other - or most. >>> >>> If we have now reached a level where there is a small group of activists in >>> EACH of several major suburbs.......then YAY!!!! >>> >>> It's working. Now we need only hold the annual Congress of Auckland LUGs. >>> Bring your local flags and emblems. >>> >> I'm not sure that moving into 'suburban' LUG groups with smaller numbers >> of participants is necessarily the right move. There's strength in >> numbers. >> >> If you have a group of (relative) locals I suggest a carpool arrangement. >> Auckland LUG benefits from the sum of all of its parts. >> >> Mark. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> >> >> End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 >> *************************************** >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of having no room left in your inbox? Windows Live Hotmail now gives you 5GB of FREE storage! Get your free Windows Live Hotmail account here! > http://get.live.com/mail/overview > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:38:29 +1200 > From: David McNeill > Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: SFD Helium balloons > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > Message-ID: <48B4CC35.2040605@mcpond.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > > >> Helium balloons appear to be the best way for any cause. It draws the kids >> and they drag their parents. The McD's marketing model....and it works. >> >> >> > > > Absolutely NO helium for balloons. > > The world is running short of helium. > > It's primary use is in MRI scanners for suspending the magnets > > We should not be wasting what is left on balloons. > > The next alternative source for helium is the moon, there is no more > left on earth than is in those gas fields. > > Check out wikipedia for more background info, spread the message. > > I'm all for SFD, but we need to find an alternative (preferably > non-polluting or biodegradeable) alternative crowd attractant. > Scantily/tightly clad women is environmentally sustainable. > > > David > > From nevynh at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 23:57:16 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Wed Aug 27 23:57:21 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: <48B525D1.3030100@gmail.com> References: <48B4D445.7030403@slingshot.co.nz> <48B525D1.3030100@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:00 PM, robin paulson wrote: > Nevyn wrote: >> >> I was thinking perhaps the Clare Inn on dominion road - it's got an >> upstairs which is seldom used but open so a great place to have a >> meeting. Drink, a deck for smokers and loads of room. Input? > > fabulous, my local > > always quiet in the week, unless the poker's on... > > i'm in In that case - chances are we know each other on some level - I'm a tall Indian guy. Sometimes speak with an Irish accent once I've had a few ciders down me.... From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 00:13:07 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 28 00:13:12 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Meeting and FSD In-Reply-To: <48B53A02.2010909@mkw-it.com> References: <48B53A02.2010909@mkw-it.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Alex Williams wrote: > Well I'm thinking that the pub on dominion road could be good, I'm > contracting for a company there for the next month so be easy to get to if > was just after hours and is still very accessible if it's on a weekend or an > evening. > > As for SFD I'd be willing to sponsor if I wasn't just starting out but > unfortunately cash is really tight right now. All I can offer is myself and > my experience etc. > > I do have to disagree with Nevyn here but for a reason, although SFD isn't > about promoting Linux, Linux is a big part of Free Software and shouldn't be > left out, and I'm not saying we should just push Linux, however a CD/DVD > which can allow the user to both boot into Linux if they want to try out ALL > of the software on the disk or just install some of it on their Windows OS > wouldn't hurt. It takes 2 seconds while handing over the disc to a user > who's unsure to explain that the LiveCD works with 99% of hardware but if > something does go wrong on boot, not to worry, their system is completely > unaffected and they should just reboot and run the software thats on the > disk in Windows instead. Most Windows users are amazed at the fact they can > use a CD to run their computer entirely lol. > > I think the point of "If something doesn't work it sets a bad ...." is > valid, but that can apply to the other software as well. Free software ISN'T > always better by any means. It may be better morally and it is certainly > easier to find, cheaper to buy in most cases and can indeed be much much > better than proprietary solutions of the same nature but it isn't ALWAYS the > case. I've had GIMP crap out on me while using it in both Linux and Windows > far more times than I've ever had Photoshop crap out. > > I think I'll definitely be sponsoring an event next time round as thats > basically what I've built my companies on, free software, Linux and the > community in general. Just going to defend some of my points.. - I didn't by any means mean to exclude Linux entirely. The issue I have is that although we can push an Ubuntu cd, I don't think we should rely on it entirely for Windows Free software. 1. I'm not sure if it does include the Windows software that it did - I haven't used the desktop edition for ages now as I've never had much luck with it. 2. It does contain an entire operating system on it. It's a great injustice to exclude a lot of quality Free software for an operating system that only a fraction of the people who take the cd are ever going to look at. When installing software, people are often saying "What does this software do for me?". What does Linux do for them? Given that they're only looking to do a subset of what the OS can do, chances are they're not going to see any advantage in using Linux over their current, working OS (Computers installed with Windows often have the drivers all sorted. Although Linux comes with more drivers out of the box than Windows, it's still not at the "plug in the machine and it all works" level.) What I suggest is that the option is given. Here's a disc full of software that will work on your Windows machine. Here's a free (and mostly Free) operating system that you can run straight off the cd without having to install it on your system. Take your pick. They both work great. Hell, even have a laptop running Windows which is rebooted into Linux off the cd just to show people how possitive an experience the livecd can be. Regards, Nevyn. From freakalad at hotmail.com Thu Aug 28 08:08:11 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Aug 28 08:08:15 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I understand & concur with the merits of playing to the win audience, but we'll be the laughing stock if Linux is not included (regardless of distro). How can we promote OSS without promoting the OSS OS. For this reason, the primary means of OSS distribution should be on the liveCD. I am fairly certain the Ubuntu has the standard OSS for windows intallation. We're not forcong anyone to do anything; merely offering them option in the event that they DO want to try it out. I don't see what the problem is Enough talk; let's take some action. Get people's input, listen to what they want & let's move forward. I'm trying to elicit a response from the newspaper. No luck I'm approaching companies for sponsorship. I'm new here, so it's pretty hit & miss I don't care about the venue; as long as it's not going to cost much, cover from rain, power points & not going to cost an arm & a leg, I don't care either way. Just tell me where & when But we need to meet. I'll make arrangement for Monday @ 7 @ RVB in K-rd. I'f this is a no-go, let me know P.S. Helium is an innert gas. Alternative is H2. hmmm - Jaco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces ? your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. http://get.live.com/spaces/overview From blakjak at blakjak.net Thu Aug 28 09:32:02 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Thu Aug 28 09:32:06 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: SFD Helium balloons In-Reply-To: <93a52e0e0808270148m7b98b2ceidfaeb3b16cb0ac9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080827000018.046362435D0@hood.interspeed.co.nz> <48B4CC35.2040605@mcpond.co.nz> <93a52e0e0808270148m7b98b2ceidfaeb3b16cb0ac9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Justin Cook wrote: > This is urban paranoia. The world won't run out of helium due to > balloons. > Also, the helium in medical equipment is rigorously recycled. For cost > reasons, not lack of helium. > At the risk of going OT, the Wikipedia article on He does infact note that there's only a 10 year reserve in US storage facilities... Nothing wrong with 'air' filled balloons when suspended high enough, however... From blakjak at blakjak.net Thu Aug 28 10:13:34 2008 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Thu Aug 28 10:13:42 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > I understand & concur with the merits of playing to the win audience, but we'll be the laughing stock if Linux is not included (regardless of distro). How can we promote OSS without promoting the OSS OS. For this reason, the primary means of OSS distribution should be on the liveCD. I am fairly certain the Ubuntu has the standard OSS for windows intallation. We're not forcong anyone to do anything; merely offering them option in the event that they DO want to try it out. > 'The' OSS OS? I dont think anyones suggesting the exclusion of Linux (which is a Kernel, tied to a whole bunch of variant OSs) but there's plenty more to 'Software Freedom' and I think that was the point being made. Mark. (Who uses FOSS under Windows regularly) From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 12:20:08 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 28 12:20:16 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Mark Foster wrote: > > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > >> >> I understand & concur with the merits of playing to the win audience, but >> we'll be the laughing stock if Linux is not included (regardless of distro). >> How can we promote OSS without promoting the OSS OS. For this reason, the >> primary means of OSS distribution should be on the liveCD. I am fairly >> certain the Ubuntu has the standard OSS for windows intallation. We're not >> forcong anyone to do anything; merely offering them option in the event that >> they DO want to try it out. >> > > 'The' OSS OS? > > I dont think anyones suggesting the exclusion of Linux (which is a Kernel, > tied to a whole bunch of variant OSs) but there's plenty more to 'Software > Freedom' and I think that was the point being made. > > Mark. > > (Who uses FOSS under Windows regularly) Jaco - This RVB place - despite you telling us that you're broke, you've choosen a venue with which a "cost" might be incurred. Can we be completely upfront here? Is there a cost? Does anyone want to meet up in a gaming place? Regards, Nevyn. From alex at mkw-it.com Thu Aug 28 13:15:35 2008 From: alex at mkw-it.com (alex@mkw-it.com) Date: Thu Aug 28 13:15:40 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Meeting and FSD Message-ID: <1991.60.234.206.1.1219886135.squirrel@www.mkw-it.com> I'm going to agree with Nevyn now certainly to an extent, if the Ubuntu CD does not provide the OSS for Windows then we should provide two CD. One thing I am still adement on though is that FSD HAS to incorporate Linux, for a start Linux is one of the main reasons that OSS is around today. Not much point in pushing OSS if people don't understand where it came from. So I'm thinking that the meet up on Dominion Road would probably be best for an AuckLUG meet. Next question is do we hold it monthly or weekly and when do we start? As for FSD I'm drawing a blank on locations. I'm afraid. I think the Uni might be the best place? Alex > Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to > aucklug@linux.net.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 (robin paulson) > 2. Re: AuckLUG Meeting and FSD (Alex Williams) > 3. Re: RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 (Nevyn) > 4. Re: Re: AuckLUG Meeting and FSD (Nevyn) > 5. RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 29 (Jaco van der Merwe) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:00:49 +1200 > From: robin paulson > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: <48B525D1.3030100@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Nevyn wrote: >> I was thinking perhaps the Clare Inn on dominion road - it's got an >> upstairs which is seldom used but open so a great place to have a >> meeting. Drink, a deck for smokers and loads of room. Input? > > fabulous, my local > > always quiet in the week, unless the poker's on... > > i'm in > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:26:58 +1200 > From: Alex Williams > Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Meeting and FSD > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > Message-ID: <48B53A02.2010909@mkw-it.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Well I'm thinking that the pub on dominion road could be good, I'm > contracting for a company there for the next month so be easy to get to > if was just after hours and is still very accessible if it's on a > weekend or an evening. > > As for SFD I'd be willing to sponsor if I wasn't just starting out but > unfortunately cash is really tight right now. All I can offer is myself > and my experience etc. > > I do have to disagree with Nevyn here but for a reason, although SFD > isn't about promoting Linux, Linux is a big part of Free Software and > shouldn't be left out, and I'm not saying we should just push Linux, > however a CD/DVD which can allow the user to both boot into Linux if > they want to try out ALL of the software on the disk or just install > some of it on their Windows OS wouldn't hurt. It takes 2 seconds while > handing over the disc to a user who's unsure to explain that the LiveCD > works with 99% of hardware but if something does go wrong on boot, not > to worry, their system is completely unaffected and they should just > reboot and run the software thats on the disk in Windows instead. Most > Windows users are amazed at the fact they can use a CD to run their > computer entirely lol. > > I think the point of "If something doesn't work it sets a bad ...." is > valid, but that can apply to the other software as well. Free software > ISN'T always better by any means. It may be better morally and it is > certainly easier to find, cheaper to buy in most cases and can indeed be > much much better than proprietary solutions of the same nature but it > isn't ALWAYS the case. I've had GIMP crap out on me while using it in > both Linux and Windows far more times than I've ever had Photoshop crap > out. > > I think I'll definitely be sponsoring an event next time round as thats > basically what I've built my companies on, free software, Linux and the > community in general. > > > aucklug-request@linux.net.nz wrote: >> Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to >> aucklug@linux.net.nz >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> aucklug-request@linux.net.nz >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 (Jaco van der Merwe) >> 2. Re: SFD Helium balloons (David McNeill) >> 3. Re: RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 (Nevyn) >> 4. Re: RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 (Kent Wilkinson) >> 5. Re: Re: SFD Helium balloons (Justin Cook) >> 6. Re: RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 (Nevyn) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:21:03 +0200 >> From: Jaco van der Merwe >> Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 >> To: >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> I like the balloons idea. >> >> Flea marked may cost money, and implies cost to our customers (if it's >> sponsored, then no worries); people know where a local school is, they >> have free parking & a readily available client?le. Lends an air of >> credibility to the event too (won't be very credible if it ends up being >> 3 organizers twiddling their thumbs...or chugging beer). >> >> I'm trying to arrange this on a shoe-string budget. I'm flat-on-my-ass >> broke (ref: Immigration, KiwiCon), so all I can give is my time, what >> little expertise/experience I have & the fuel in my car's tank. >> >> That's why we should try to arrange sponsors. Machines, stock, >> merchandise, venue, etc, ect >> >> As stated before, I'd be happy to concentrate efforts in one of the >> splinter-groups if AuckLUG is a no-go: Hamilton/Waikato seems to have >> matters in hand, Hibiscus seems like a likely candidate (awaiting >> response). >> I just need to know either way so I can get the ball rolling >> >> 24 days remaining... >> >> - Jaco >> >> PS. Probably my own typo fault, but my name is Jaco van der Merwe, and >> not Jaco van de Merwe (nobody can pronounce it anyway, so it's propably >> a moot point) >> >> >> >> >>> From: aucklug-request@linux.net.nz >>> Subject: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 >>> To: aucklug@linux.net.nz >>> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:00:09 +1200 >>> >>> Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to >>> aucklug@linux.net.nz >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> aucklug-request@linux.net.nz >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Jaco van de Merwe's query (Steve Withers) >>> 2. Re: Jaco van de Merwe's query (Mark Foster) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:26:06 +1200 >>> From: "Steve Withers" >>> Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Jaco van de Merwe's query >>> To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" >>> Message-ID: >>> <4372ea620808261326u413adaeanb4131c80b94ab231@mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> >>>> I'd suggest that first on the agenda would be to organise a shipment >>>> of Ubuntu cd's as this takes around a month from experience to arrive. >>>> >>>> >>> Or just burn some. That takes a few hours across several people. >>> >>> Ready by breakfast. >>> >>> >>> >>>> Fourthly, how to draw the crowds in. Tux costumes? Gnu soft toys? >>>> >>> Helium balloons appear to be the best way for any cause. It draws the >>> kids >>> and they drag their parents. The McD's marketing model....and it works. >>> >>> I have yet to see a stand offering free helium balloons that isn't >>> swamped.....and the parents DO take away a pamphlet or two as >>> "payment". >>> >>> Booking a stand at Takapuna Market, or similar elsewhere in Auckland, >>> would >>> be a good venue on a weekend morning. >>> >>> >>> >>>> And finally, last, but definitely not least, where!?! What do you need >>>> to get there? I'd suggest that a lot of people on the list would tend >>>> to attend localised events so there may end up being 2 or 3 groups >>>> doing something within Auckland. Auckland is rather a big place after >>>> all. >>>> >>>> >>> I suspect AuckLUG arose because there was a small number of activists >>> throughout Auckland who combined efforts. Maybe they all lived near to >>> each >>> other - or most. >>> >>> If we have now reached a level where there is a small group of >>> activists in >>> EACH of several major suburbs.......then YAY!!!! >>> >>> It's working. Now we need only hold the annual Congress of Auckland >>> LUGs. >>> Bring your local flags and emblems. >>> >>> ...and beer. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Steve Withers >>> sbwithers@gmail.com >>> +64-21-0267-3530 >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:38:26 +1200 (NZST) >>> From: Mark Foster >>> Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Jaco van de Merwe's query >>> To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >>> >>> A little history... >>> >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/lists/NZLUG/1999/07/0004.html >>> >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/lists/NZLUG/1999/07/0083.html >>> >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/lists/NZLUG/1999/08/0015.html >>> >>> What you're looking at are posts from the first few months of >>> NZLUG-in-Auckland (the predecessor to AuckLUG). >>> >>> The answer is, that it was a small group of people spread across >>> Auckland >>> (and elsewhere, as the initial community was tied to the mailing list, >>> not >>> physical location) (eg not all neighbours) who made a deliberate effort >>> to >>> meet up. >>> >>> Living in Manurewa and as a teenager with limited transportation and >>> budget, I made the effort to attend NZLUG meetings (held at Auckland >>> University at the time) once a month or whenever I could. Carpool for >>> the >>> win, and all that. >>> >>> >>>> I suspect AuckLUG arose because there was a small number of activists >>>> throughout Auckland who combined efforts. Maybe they all lived near to >>>> each >>>> other - or most. >>>> >>>> If we have now reached a level where there is a small group of >>>> activists in >>>> EACH of several major suburbs.......then YAY!!!! >>>> >>>> It's working. Now we need only hold the annual Congress of Auckland >>>> LUGs. >>>> Bring your local flags and emblems. >>>> >>> I'm not sure that moving into 'suburban' LUG groups with smaller >>> numbers >>> of participants is necessarily the right move. There's strength in >>> numbers. >>> >>> If you have a group of (relative) locals I suggest a carpool >>> arrangement. >>> Auckland LUG benefits from the sum of all of its parts. >>> >>> Mark. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AuckLUG mailing list >>> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >>> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >>> >>> >>> End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 >>> *************************************** >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Tired of having no room left in your inbox? Windows Live Hotmail now >> gives you 5GB of FREE storage! Get your free Windows Live Hotmail >> account here! >> http://get.live.com/mail/overview >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:38:29 +1200 >> From: David McNeill >> Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: SFD Helium balloons >> To: aucklug@linux.net.nz >> Message-ID: <48B4CC35.2040605@mcpond.co.nz> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >> >> >> >>> Helium balloons appear to be the best way for any cause. It draws the >>> kids >>> and they drag their parents. The McD's marketing model....and it works. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> Absolutely NO helium for balloons. >> >> The world is running short of helium. >> >> It's primary use is in MRI scanners for suspending the magnets >> >> We should not be wasting what is left on balloons. >> >> The next alternative source for helium is the moon, there is no more >> left on earth than is in those gas fields. >> >> Check out wikipedia for more background info, spread the message. >> >> I'm all for SFD, but we need to find an alternative (preferably >> non-polluting or biodegradeable) alternative crowd attractant. >> Scantily/tightly clad women is environmentally sustainable. >> >> >> David >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:57:16 +1200 > From: Nevyn > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 28 > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:00 PM, robin paulson > wrote: >> Nevyn wrote: >>> >>> I was thinking perhaps the Clare Inn on dominion road - it's got an >>> upstairs which is seldom used but open so a great place to have a >>> meeting. Drink, a deck for smokers and loads of room. Input? >> >> fabulous, my local >> >> always quiet in the week, unless the poker's on... >> >> i'm in > > In that case - chances are we know each other on some level - I'm a > tall Indian guy. Sometimes speak with an Irish accent once I've had a > few ciders down me.... > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:13:07 +1200 > From: Nevyn > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Meeting and FSD > To: "Auckland Linux User Group mailing list" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Alex Williams wrote: >> Well I'm thinking that the pub on dominion road could be good, I'm >> contracting for a company there for the next month so be easy to get to >> if >> was just after hours and is still very accessible if it's on a weekend >> or an >> evening. >> >> As for SFD I'd be willing to sponsor if I wasn't just starting out but >> unfortunately cash is really tight right now. All I can offer is myself >> and >> my experience etc. >> >> I do have to disagree with Nevyn here but for a reason, although SFD >> isn't >> about promoting Linux, Linux is a big part of Free Software and >> shouldn't be >> left out, and I'm not saying we should just push Linux, however a CD/DVD >> which can allow the user to both boot into Linux if they want to try out >> ALL >> of the software on the disk or just install some of it on their Windows >> OS >> wouldn't hurt. It takes 2 seconds while handing over the disc to a user >> who's unsure to explain that the LiveCD works with 99% of hardware but >> if >> something does go wrong on boot, not to worry, their system is >> completely >> unaffected and they should just reboot and run the software thats on the >> disk in Windows instead. Most Windows users are amazed at the fact they >> can >> use a CD to run their computer entirely lol. >> >> I think the point of "If something doesn't work it sets a bad ...." is >> valid, but that can apply to the other software as well. Free software >> ISN'T >> always better by any means. It may be better morally and it is certainly >> easier to find, cheaper to buy in most cases and can indeed be much much >> better than proprietary solutions of the same nature but it isn't ALWAYS >> the >> case. I've had GIMP crap out on me while using it in both Linux and >> Windows >> far more times than I've ever had Photoshop crap out. >> >> I think I'll definitely be sponsoring an event next time round as thats >> basically what I've built my companies on, free software, Linux and the >> community in general. > > Just going to defend some of my points.. - I didn't by any means mean > to exclude Linux entirely. The issue I have is that although we can > push an Ubuntu cd, I don't think we should rely on it entirely for > Windows Free software. > > 1. I'm not sure if it does include the Windows software that it did - > I haven't used the desktop edition for ages now as I've never had much > luck with it. > > 2. It does contain an entire operating system on it. It's a great > injustice to exclude a lot of quality Free software for an operating > system that only a fraction of the people who take the cd are ever > going to look at. When installing software, people are often saying > "What does this software do for me?". What does Linux do for them? > Given that they're only looking to do a subset of what the OS can do, > chances are they're not going to see any advantage in using Linux over > their current, working OS (Computers installed with Windows often have > the drivers all sorted. Although Linux comes with more drivers out of > the box than Windows, it's still not at the "plug in the machine and > it all works" level.) > > What I suggest is that the option is given. Here's a disc full of > software that will work on your Windows machine. Here's a free (and > mostly Free) operating system that you can run straight off the cd > without having to install it on your system. Take your pick. They both > work great. Hell, even have a laptop running Windows which is rebooted > into Linux off the cd just to show people how possitive an experience > the livecd can be. > > Regards, > Nevyn. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:08:11 +0200 > From: Jaco van der Merwe > Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 29 > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > > I understand & concur with the merits of playing to the win audience, but > we'll be the laughing stock if Linux is not included (regardless of > distro). How can we promote OSS without promoting the OSS OS. For this > reason, the primary means of OSS distribution should be on the liveCD. I > am fairly certain the Ubuntu has the standard OSS for windows intallation. > We're not forcong anyone to do anything; merely offering them option in > the event that they DO want to try it out. > > I don't see what the problem is > > Enough talk; let's take some action. Get people's input, listen to what > they want & let's move forward. > I'm trying to elicit a response from the newspaper. No luck > I'm approaching companies for sponsorship. I'm new here, so it's pretty > hit & miss > I don't care about the venue; as long as it's not going to cost much, > cover from rain, power points & not going to cost an arm & a leg, I don't > care either way. > Just tell me where & when > > But we need to meet. I'll make arrangement for Monday @ 7 @ RVB in K-rd. > I'f this is a no-go, let me know > > P.S. Helium is an innert gas. Alternative is H2. hmmm > > - Jaco > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Spaces ? your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. > http://get.live.com/spaces/overview > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 30 > *************************************** > From robin.paulson at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 13:45:12 2008 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Thu Aug 28 13:45:16 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: AuckLUG Meeting and FSD In-Reply-To: <1991.60.234.206.1.1219886135.squirrel@www.mkw-it.com> References: <1991.60.234.206.1.1219886135.squirrel@www.mkw-it.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770808271845u390403e4lc077d40c5138aa74@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/28 : > I'm going to agree with Nevyn now certainly to an extent, if the Ubuntu CD > does not provide the OSS for Windows then we should provide two CD. One > thing I am still adement on though is that FSD HAS to incorporate Linux, > for a start Linux is one of the main reasons that OSS is around today. Not > much point in pushing OSS if people don't understand where it came from. > > So I'm thinking that the meet up on Dominion Road would probably be best > for an AuckLUG meet. Next question is do we hold it monthly or weekly and > when do we start? > > As for FSD I'm drawing a blank on locations. I'm afraid. I think the Uni > might be the best place? > it's software freedom day, not oss day as i learned from the rms talk the other week: open source software is not the same as free software linux uses a free software license, but in spirit doesn't adhere to software freedoms, hence all the binary cruft...but this might all be a minor point...... i do think the uni would be a good place though; the cs department uses a fair amount of free software, including edubuntu, and they've even released stuff under the gpl - they might be interested in hosting/sponsoring has anyone talked to joel about this? he's the one been doing the organising of aucklug so far, it might be courteous to ask him before anyone goes any further? From leon at lost.co.nz Thu Aug 28 15:26:37 2008 From: leon at lost.co.nz (Leon Matthews) Date: Thu Aug 28 15:40:36 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: SFD Helium balloons In-Reply-To: References: <20080827000018.046362435D0@hood.interspeed.co.nz> <48B4CC35.2040605@mcpond.co.nz> <93a52e0e0808270148m7b98b2ceidfaeb3b16cb0ac9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B61AED.8010504@lost.co.nz> Mark Foster wrote: > At the risk of going OT, the Wikipedia article on He does infact note that > there's only a 10 year reserve in US storage facilities... Certain 'Mythbusters' must drive you as crazy -- as they do me, for this reason... :-) -- Leon Matthews BSc Technical Director, Messiah Ltd. messiah.co.nz | 0800 MESSIAH From sbwithers at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 15:47:46 2008 From: sbwithers at gmail.com (Steve Withers) Date: Thu Aug 28 15:47:50 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: SFD Helium balloons In-Reply-To: <48B4CC35.2040605@mcpond.co.nz> References: <20080827000018.046362435D0@hood.interspeed.co.nz> <48B4CC35.2040605@mcpond.co.nz> Message-ID: <4372ea620808272047t11dc4be5g86404d1d113177ad@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 3:38 PM, David McNeill wrote: > > > I'm all for SFD, but we need to find an alternative (preferably > non-polluting or biodegradeable) alternative crowd attractant. > Scantily/tightly clad women is environmentally sustainable. > The scantily clad women apparently don't mind, but (some of) the OTHER women who AREN'T scantily clad get upset. Everyone like balloons. :-) If we run out of helium, we can invent atomic fusion and make some more. ;-) -- Steve Withers sbwithers@gmail.com +64-21-0267-3530 From freakalad at hotmail.com Thu Aug 28 16:15:11 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Thu Aug 28 16:15:25 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 32 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I only suggested RVB as a venue, for a lack of a better idea. Nice & central; I know the owner (Deshan) I was trying to arrange the venue at a cost of 1 beer each. & distractions for after If you've secured a different location, that's fine by me. Just tell me where & when (as long as it does not clash with any other UG's meetings) Canonical (aka Ubuntu) is one of the over-aching sponsors, and I use Ubuntu. Ubuntu liveCD has windows-compatible OSS software on it. In my book, that kills 2 birds with 1 stone. As for RMS, I have my own opinions of him (some I wont' share here). He's an idealist; I'm a pragmatist. Idealism doesn't pay my rent, or for my beer, but it ideals is something we should all aspire to. But it's good to see the challenge has been accepted - J _________________________________________________________________ Tired of having no room left in your inbox? Windows Live Hotmail now gives you 5GB of FREE storage! Get your free Windows Live Hotmail account here! http://get.live.com/mail/overview From justin at skull.co.nz Thu Aug 28 21:07:33 2008 From: justin at skull.co.nz (Justin Cook) Date: Thu Aug 28 21:07:40 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: SFD Helium balloons In-Reply-To: References: <20080827000018.046362435D0@hood.interspeed.co.nz> <48B4CC35.2040605@mcpond.co.nz> <93a52e0e0808270148m7b98b2ceidfaeb3b16cb0ac9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <93a52e0e0808280207w391ea6b4pf54e03179ebc32ac@mail.gmail.com> Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia. Some myths are simply popular enough to be edited into immortality. I would say balloon away. http://world-science-blog.blogspot.com/2008/01/from-phil-kornbluth.html On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Mark Foster wrote: > > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Justin Cook wrote: > > This is urban paranoia. The world won't run out of helium due to balloons. >> Also, the helium in medical equipment is rigorously recycled. For cost >> reasons, not lack of helium. >> >> > At the risk of going OT, the Wikipedia article on He does infact note that > there's only a 10 year reserve in US storage facilities... > > Nothing wrong with 'air' filled balloons when suspended high enough, > however... > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Justin Cook Skull http://www.skull.co.nz justin@skull.co.nz 021 2700 222 Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible - St. Francis of Assisi From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 23:48:41 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 28 23:48:47 2008 Subject: SFD Meeting Venue - Was [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 32 Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > I only suggested RVB as a venue, for a lack of a better idea. Nice & central; I know the owner (Deshan) > I was trying to arrange the venue at a cost of 1 beer each. & distractions for after > > If you've secured a different location, that's fine by me. Just tell me where & when (as long as it does not clash with any other UG's meetings) > > Canonical (aka Ubuntu) is one of the over-aching sponsors, and I use Ubuntu. > Ubuntu liveCD has windows-compatible OSS software on it. In my book, that kills 2 birds with 1 stone. > > As for RMS, I have my own opinions of him (some I wont' share here). > He's an idealist; I'm a pragmatist. Idealism doesn't pay my rent, or for my beer, but it ideals is something we should all aspire to. > > But it's good to see the challenge has been accepted > > - J My apologies Jaco - that came out a hell of a lot more catty than I was intending. It's just that we had no clear indication of what the costs might be. As for everyone else - I suggested the pub on Dominion Rd as a possible venue for a SFD meeting - NOT an AuckLUG meeting. If Joel wants to perhaps approach the owners of a pub to hold a meeting there then cool but I'm definitely not trying to step on Joel's or anyone elses toes. If someone wants to perhaps do a third Monday of the month sort of meeting, then perhaps this is something we should look more into. I for one wouldn't mind doing a somewhat less formal and more social meeting BUT for the time being, I think we should concentrate on deciding what we want to do and how we want to do it for SFD. So the questions that are coming up: Do we come up with our cd of open software or rely solely on the Ubuntu cd? How do we promote it? Where are we going to hold it? Let's stay focused here and not worry too much about the politics between OSS and Free Software or any other, at this point, trivial matter and worry about SFD. Regards, Nevyn. From nevynh at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 23:53:05 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Thu Aug 28 23:53:14 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: SFD Helium balloons In-Reply-To: <93a52e0e0808280207w391ea6b4pf54e03179ebc32ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080827000018.046362435D0@hood.interspeed.co.nz> <48B4CC35.2040605@mcpond.co.nz> <93a52e0e0808270148m7b98b2ceidfaeb3b16cb0ac9a@mail.gmail.com> <93a52e0e0808280207w391ea6b4pf54e03179ebc32ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Phew.... Here I was worried that people would never again get the chance to make funny voices due to the inhalation of helium.. On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Justin Cook wrote: > Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia. Some myths are simply > popular enough to be edited into immortality. I would say balloon away. > > http://world-science-blog.blogspot.com/2008/01/from-phil-kornbluth.html > > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Mark Foster wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Justin Cook wrote: >> >> This is urban paranoia. The world won't run out of helium due to balloons. >>> Also, the helium in medical equipment is rigorously recycled. For cost >>> reasons, not lack of helium. >>> >>> >> At the risk of going OT, the Wikipedia article on He does infact note that >> there's only a 10 year reserve in US storage facilities... >> >> Nothing wrong with 'air' filled balloons when suspended high enough, >> however... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > > > -- > Justin Cook > Skull > > http://www.skull.co.nz > justin@skull.co.nz > 021 2700 222 > > Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you > are doing the impossible - St. Francis of Assisi > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From justin at skull.co.nz Fri Aug 29 06:46:01 2008 From: justin at skull.co.nz (Justin Cook) Date: Fri Aug 29 06:46:08 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: SFD Helium balloons In-Reply-To: References: <20080827000018.046362435D0@hood.interspeed.co.nz> <48B4CC35.2040605@mcpond.co.nz> <93a52e0e0808270148m7b98b2ceidfaeb3b16cb0ac9a@mail.gmail.com> <93a52e0e0808280207w391ea6b4pf54e03179ebc32ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <93a52e0e0808281146t47f3869cx18bd93deab62514c@mail.gmail.com> Or probable asphyxiation. Man, I am such a killjoy today. On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Nevyn wrote: > Phew.... Here I was worried that people would never again get the > chance to make funny voices due to the inhalation of helium.. > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Justin Cook wrote: > > Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia. Some myths are simply > > popular enough to be edited into immortality. I would say balloon away. > > > > http://world-science-blog.blogspot.com/2008/01/from-phil-kornbluth.html > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Mark Foster > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Justin Cook wrote: > >> > >> This is urban paranoia. The world won't run out of helium due to > balloons. > >>> Also, the helium in medical equipment is rigorously recycled. For cost > >>> reasons, not lack of helium. > >>> > >>> > >> At the risk of going OT, the Wikipedia article on He does infact note > that > >> there's only a 10 year reserve in US storage facilities... > >> > >> Nothing wrong with 'air' filled balloons when suspended high enough, > >> however... > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AuckLUG mailing list > >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Justin Cook > > Skull > > > > http://www.skull.co.nz > > justin@skull.co.nz > > 021 2700 222 > > > > Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly > you > > are doing the impossible - St. Francis of Assisi > > _______________________________________________ > > AuckLUG mailing list > > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -- Justin Cook Skull http://www.skull.co.nz justin@skull.co.nz 021 2700 222 Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible - St. Francis of Assisi From davemc at mcpond.co.nz Fri Aug 29 14:33:08 2008 From: davemc at mcpond.co.nz (David McNeill) Date: Fri Aug 29 14:32:05 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Meetings In-Reply-To: <20080829000017.105CC3326B5@arkos.interspeed.co.nz> References: <20080829000017.105CC3326B5@arkos.interspeed.co.nz> Message-ID: <48B75FE4.6060207@mcpond.co.nz> So do we have a date/time/venue for SFD planning ? I can't do Mondays ever, fire brigade practice ranks ahead of SFD. I'm happy to contribute time on SFD and in preparation. I'm sure the meeting results will be posted on this list, so we know what to do next. David From freakalad at hotmail.com Fri Aug 29 14:33:47 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Fri Aug 29 14:33:51 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 33 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sweet, Nevyn Monday it is. 19:00 aka 7 pm? (I only knock off @ 6) Somebody please post an address & a smaps/wises/google maps link to follow (do they have WiFi access?) Let's put the politics aside, unless we're planning on filling the balloons with hot air ;) I still think scantly-dressed women is a pretty good idea. Anyone know any? Let's argue the rest around a few pints - Jaco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces ? your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. http://get.live.com/spaces/overview From freakalad at hotmail.com Fri Aug 29 15:51:07 2008 From: freakalad at hotmail.com (Jaco van der Merwe) Date: Fri Aug 29 15:51:11 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - Heavy Hitters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi boys & girls, I'm not one to pay much heed to politics, one way or another, but I came across this article: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4668175a28.html Maybe it's time to get these guys to play along? Maybe use them to leverage some contact & get donations? I'm still pretty eager to "liberate" some PC's & donate them to some school/NPO, and it'll suit these guys just fine, as it's an "eco friendly"/social responsible thing to do. They'll event get my paltry vote, for what it's worth... Strange that the people I wrote to @ the newspaper did not even bother to tell me to get lost, or pointed me to this resource. So their feedback page doesn't actually DO anything... Nice one... Has anyone actually spoken to anybody or gotten any feedback? What I really want to know is: am I actually just wasting my time & energy? - Jaco _________________________________________________________________ Tired of having no room left in your inbox? Windows Live Hotmail now gives you 5GB of FREE storage! Get your free Windows Live Hotmail account here! http://get.live.com/mail/overview From robin.paulson at gmail.com Fri Aug 29 15:59:39 2008 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (robin paulson) Date: Fri Aug 29 15:59:46 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 33 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B7742B.70703@gmail.com> Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > Monday it is. 19:00 aka 7 pm? (I only knock off @ 6) > > Somebody please post an address & a smaps/wises/google maps link to follow (do they have WiFi access?) > Let's put the politics aside, unless we're planning on filling the balloons with hot air ;) > I still think scantly-dressed women is a pretty good idea. Anyone know any? > > Let's argue the rest around a few pints I presume we've settled on The Clare Inn then? As it's software freedom day we're discussing, here's a link for the location shown on a map made from free data (unlike google maps, wises, smaps, etc., which all have horrible licenses for their use): http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=-36.87730854072705&lon=174.7505575972425&zoom=17&layers=B000F000F (data sourced from openstreetmap.org ) I doubt they have wifi access, I've never seen it advertised. Cheers Rob From alex at mkw-it.com Sat Aug 30 12:25:36 2008 From: alex at mkw-it.com (Alex Williams) Date: Sat Aug 30 12:25:46 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: SFD Meet Message-ID: <48B89380.3000103@mkw-it.com> Sorry guys if it's this Monday then no can do for me. I've got to go up to Kaikohe and be a witness in a court case. Any other day would be fine but I just can't do Monday I'm afraid. Kind Regards Alex Williams CCNA Technical Director MKW IT www.mkw-it.com www.symsys-it.co.nz aucklug-request@linux.net.nz wrote: > Send AuckLUG mailing list submissions to > aucklug@linux.net.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aucklug-request@linux.net.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aucklug-owner@linux.net.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AuckLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Meetings (David McNeill) > 2. RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 33 (Jaco van der Merwe) > 3. SFD - Heavy Hitters (Jaco van der Merwe) > 4. Re: RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 33 (robin paulson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:33:08 +1200 > From: David McNeill > Subject: [AuckLUG] Re: Meetings > To: aucklug@linux.net.nz > Message-ID: <48B75FE4.6060207@mcpond.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > So do we have a date/time/venue for SFD planning ? > > I can't do Mondays ever, fire brigade practice ranks ahead of SFD. > > I'm happy to contribute time on SFD and in preparation. I'm sure the > meeting results will be posted on this list, so we know what to do next. > > David > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:33:47 +0200 > From: Jaco van der Merwe > Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 33 > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > > Sweet, Nevyn > > Monday it is. 19:00 aka 7 pm? (I only knock off @ 6) > > Somebody please post an address & a smaps/wises/google maps link to follow (do they have WiFi access?) > Let's put the politics aside, unless we're planning on filling the balloons with hot air ;) > I still think scantly-dressed women is a pretty good idea. Anyone know any? > > Let's argue the rest around a few pints > > - Jaco > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Spaces ? your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. > http://get.live.com/spaces/overview > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:51:07 +0200 > From: Jaco van der Merwe > Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - Heavy Hitters > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi boys & girls, > > I'm not one to pay much heed to politics, one way or another, but I came across this article: > http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4668175a28.html > > Maybe it's time to get these guys to play along? Maybe use them to leverage some contact & get donations? > I'm still pretty eager to "liberate" some PC's & donate them to some school/NPO, and it'll suit these guys just fine, as it's an "eco friendly"/social responsible thing to do. They'll event get my paltry vote, for what it's worth... > > Strange that the people I wrote to @ the newspaper did not even bother to tell me to get lost, or pointed me to this resource. > So their feedback page doesn't actually DO anything... Nice one... > > Has anyone actually spoken to anybody or gotten any feedback? > > What I really want to know is: am I actually just wasting my time & energy? > > - Jaco > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of having no room left in your inbox? Windows Live Hotmail now gives you 5GB of FREE storage! Get your free Windows Live Hotmail account here! > http://get.live.com/mail/overview > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:59:39 +1200 > From: robin paulson > Subject: Re: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 33 > To: Auckland Linux User Group mailing list > Message-ID: <48B7742B.70703@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > >> Monday it is. 19:00 aka 7 pm? (I only knock off @ 6) >> >> Somebody please post an address & a smaps/wises/google maps link to follow (do they have WiFi access?) >> Let's put the politics aside, unless we're planning on filling the balloons with hot air ;) >> I still think scantly-dressed women is a pretty good idea. Anyone know any? >> >> Let's argue the rest around a few pints >> > > I presume we've settled on The Clare Inn then? As it's software freedom > day we're discussing, here's a link for the location shown on a map made > from free data (unlike google maps, wises, smaps, etc., which all have > horrible licenses for their use): > > http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=-36.87730854072705&lon=174.7505575972425&zoom=17&layers=B000F000F > > (data sourced from openstreetmap.org ) > > I doubt they have wifi access, I've never seen it advertised. > > Cheers > > Rob > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > > > End of AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 34 > *************************************** > > From nevynh at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 02:29:35 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sun Aug 31 02:29:42 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 33 In-Reply-To: <48B7742B.70703@gmail.com> References: <48B7742B.70703@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 3:59 PM, robin paulson wrote: > Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >> >> Monday it is. 19:00 aka 7 pm? (I only knock off @ 6) >> >> Somebody please post an address & a smaps/wises/google maps link to follow >> (do they have WiFi access?) >> Let's put the politics aside, unless we're planning on filling the >> balloons with hot air ;) >> I still think scantly-dressed women is a pretty good idea. Anyone know >> any? >> >> Let's argue the rest around a few pints > > I presume we've settled on The Clare Inn then? As it's software freedom day > we're discussing, here's a link for the location shown on a map made from > free data (unlike google maps, wises, smaps, etc., which all have horrible > licenses for their use): > > http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=-36.87730854072705&lon=174.7505575972425&zoom=17&layers=B000F000F > > (data sourced from openstreetmap.org ) > > I doubt they have wifi access, I've never seen it advertised. > > Cheers > > Rob Pretty certain they don't. There was a Gloria Jeans a couple of doors down which might've changed that situation but it's no longer there... From nevynh at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 10:30:35 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sun Aug 31 10:30:40 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] RE: AuckLUG Digest, Vol 39, Issue 33 In-Reply-To: References: <48B7742B.70703@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 2:29 AM, Nevyn wrote: > On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 3:59 PM, robin paulson wrote: >> Jaco van der Merwe wrote: >>> >>> Monday it is. 19:00 aka 7 pm? (I only knock off @ 6) >>> >>> Somebody please post an address & a smaps/wises/google maps link to follow >>> (do they have WiFi access?) >>> Let's put the politics aside, unless we're planning on filling the >>> balloons with hot air ;) >>> I still think scantly-dressed women is a pretty good idea. Anyone know >>> any? >>> >>> Let's argue the rest around a few pints >> >> I presume we've settled on The Clare Inn then? As it's software freedom day >> we're discussing, here's a link for the location shown on a map made from >> free data (unlike google maps, wises, smaps, etc., which all have horrible >> licenses for their use): >> >> http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=-36.87730854072705&lon=174.7505575972425&zoom=17&layers=B000F000F >> >> (data sourced from openstreetmap.org ) >> >> I doubt they have wifi access, I've never seen it advertised. >> >> Cheers >> >> Rob > > Pretty certain they don't. There was a Gloria Jeans a couple of doors > down which might've changed that situation but it's no longer there... Okay, the address is: 274-278 Dominion Rd Mt Eden Auckland It's painted black and white and is in front of the Foodtown. The smaps link is: http://smaps.co.nz/nz/auckland/balmoral/dominion+road/274/ despite having an awful license, it does indicate the address you're looking for. For those that can't come, we'll post minutes or something on the list and perhaps see if we can organise another meeting at some point for a day which isn't a Monday. The main dis From steven at openmedia.co.nz Sun Aug 31 11:38:22 2008 From: steven at openmedia.co.nz (Steven Ellis) Date: Sun Aug 31 11:38:36 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Auckland LUG meeting for the 1st September? Message-ID: <79F9A461-46F7-41E0-B800-7CB481E56EC1@openmedia.co.nz> Do we have a meeting this Monday? Steve Steven Ellis - Technical Director OpenMedia Limited email - steven@openmedia.co.nz website - http://www.openmedia.co.nz From xurizaemon at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 12:05:36 2008 From: xurizaemon at gmail.com (chris burgess) Date: Sun Aug 31 12:05:41 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] SFD - Heavy Hitters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70d16a930808301705v3d9f366bq9565fd251fdc4c61@mail.gmail.com> Might want to check out the Green Party's IT policy, recently released: http://www.greens.org.nz/policy/informationtechnology Depending on what you mean by "play along", you may find they're already in the same sandpit as you and me :) Recent discussion of Green Party IT policy on NZOSS list - user / pass = nzoss/nzoss - or see http://nzoss.org.nz/mailinglists for access to list archives. http://lists.nzoss.org.nz/archives/openchat/ezmlm-cgi?mss:9961:200808:abkbgdmgchlmoiahigdp On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Jaco van der Merwe wrote: > > Hi boys & girls, > > I'm not one to pay much heed to politics, one way or another, but I came across this article: > http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4668175a28.html > > Maybe it's time to get these guys to play along? Maybe use them to leverage some contact & get donations? From nevynh at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 16:35:25 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sun Aug 31 16:35:41 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Auckland LUG meeting for the 1st September? In-Reply-To: <79F9A461-46F7-41E0-B800-7CB481E56EC1@openmedia.co.nz> References: <79F9A461-46F7-41E0-B800-7CB481E56EC1@openmedia.co.nz> Message-ID: Think we've decided on the Clare Inn at 7pm. On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Steven Ellis wrote: > > Do we have a meeting this Monday? > > Steve > > Steven Ellis - Technical Director > OpenMedia Limited > email - steven@openmedia.co.nz > website - http://www.openmedia.co.nz > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > From steven at openmedia.co.nz Sun Aug 31 17:05:04 2008 From: steven at openmedia.co.nz (Steven Ellis) Date: Sun Aug 31 17:05:16 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Auckland LUG meeting for the 1st September? In-Reply-To: References: <79F9A461-46F7-41E0-B800-7CB481E56EC1@openmedia.co.nz> Message-ID: <53933.192.168.0.254.1220159104.squirrel@webmail.stevencherie.homelinux.net> On Sun, August 31, 2008 4:35 pm, Nevyn wrote: > Think we've decided on the Clare Inn at 7pm. I thought that was for an SFD meeting, not the normal Auckland LUG session. > > On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Steven Ellis > wrote: >> >> Do we have a meeting this Monday? >> >> Steve >> >> Steven Ellis - Technical Director >> OpenMedia Limited >> email - steven@openmedia.co.nz >> website - http://www.openmedia.co.nz >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AuckLUG mailing list >> AuckLUG@linux.net.nz >> http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug >> > > _______________________________________________ > AuckLUG mailing list > AuckLUG@linux.net.nz > http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aucklug > -------------------------------------------- Steven Ellis - Technical Director OpenMedia Limited - The Home of myPVR email - steven@openmedia.co.nz website - http://www.openmedia.co.nz From nevynh at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 18:28:44 2008 From: nevynh at gmail.com (Nevyn) Date: Sun Aug 31 18:28:50 2008 Subject: [AuckLUG] Auckland LUG meeting for the 1st September? In-Reply-To: <53933.192.168.0.254.1220159104.squirrel@webmail.stevencherie.homelinux.net> References: <79F9A461-46F7-41E0-B800-7CB481E56EC1@openmedia.co.nz> <53933.192.168.0.254.1220159104.squirrel@webmail.stevencherie.homelinux.net> Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Steven Ellis wrote: > > On Sun, August 31, 2008 4:35 pm, Nevyn wrote: >> Think we've decided on the Clare Inn at 7pm. > > I thought that was for an SFD meeting, not the normal Auckland LUG session. My apologies - you're absolutely right...